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« Last Edit: 2019-Dec-14, 07:28 AM by jfc »

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2019-Dec-14, 07:18 AM Reply #1 »
Hope the door doesnít hurt his arse on the way out

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« 2019-Dec-14, 11:39 AM Reply #2 »
ďDr Nick was most famous for his pre-post betting but he would send people to every country racecourse over Australia betting for him.

ďEverywhere - Wagga races, Bathurst races, Armidale races.


Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

When I was last at a Port Macquarie midweek I was the only one looking at the horses parade before the first race.

Hardly anyone in the "ring" - if you can call it that these days.

As if someone is going to show up and bet in telephone numbers at these meetings. They would probably accept your bet then you'd see the bookies clerk scurrying off toward the jockey's room, cash in hand.

Great fiction.


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« 2019-Dec-15, 01:22 AM Reply #3 »
Your out of your depth again

Nick 100% had a runner at every meeting.

They were obviously well known to the bookies and they werenít betting in telephone numbers.

Barely a bookie anywhere in the nation who has bet him above the minimum limits for several years.

Like JFC I canít get my head around it. This syndicate was the best there has ever been in terms of margin.

Sure market percentage has tightened but the gap between what the good Dr was winning and the increase in percentage still leaves a profit bigger than any of the other large operators in the country have ever garnered.

Iím only guessing, tax issue maybe????   




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« 2019-Dec-15, 06:22 AM Reply #4 »
A few more allegations below.

I've certainly been affected by the POCT the moment it was introduced so would imagine that is a big factor in this exodus.

My bet is the POCT does not apply in the Channel Islands.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7791335/Mystery-100million-Australian-gambler-ditches-Aussie-betting-taxes-worsened-odds.html

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« 2019-Dec-15, 11:29 AM Reply #5 »
Surely at least one of the reporters writing these articles must know who Dr Nick is and be able to name him.

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« 2019-Dec-15, 11:43 AM Reply #6 »
Surely at least one of the reporters writing these articles must know who Dr Nick is and be able to name him.

No.

It's a shock it could be so highly guarded his secrecy...I can tell you his full name is NICK  :censored:  for legal reasons, don't even know if he's a Dr or not. I'd guess no...But it's all guess. I know people who worked for him for a decade and this info is all they can tell me themselves! Crazy ain't it!

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« 2019-Dec-16, 08:57 AM Reply #7 »
He is definitely a medical doctor, if not more.

Now here is one key factor to help gauge the impact of his exile.

The POCT started on January 1st, and a very curious thing began in April.

Turnover surged in the Isle of Man .

For the main NSW meeting.

Trifectas

+40% Saturday
+70% Other days

The very obvious reason for that is that following the POCT, the instigator Tabcorp lured Australians "there" to avoid that tax!

By boosting obscene Kickbacks even higher!

The punting perps there are quite prepared to lose a little, but finish well in front after Kickbacks.

While anyone here has no chance of finishing in front betting regularly.

So Dr Nick will continue to bet in such sucker pools.




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« 2019-Dec-16, 09:16 AM Reply #8 »
I cant see how he's a loss

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« 2019-Dec-16, 09:26 AM Reply #9 »
He is definitely a medical doctor, if not more.

Now here is one key factor to help gauge the impact of his exile.

The POCT started on January 1st, and a very curious thing began in April.

Turnover surged in the Isle of Man .

For the main NSW meeting.

Trifectas

+40% Saturday
+70% Other days

The very obvious reason for that is that following the POCT, the instigator Tabcorp lured Australians "there" to avoid that tax!

By boosting obscene Kickbacks even higher!

The punting perps there are quite prepared to lose a little, but finish well in front after Kickbacks.

While anyone here has no chance of finishing in front betting regularly.

So Dr Nick will continue to bet in such sucker pools.

How do you bet in the Isle of Man from Australia?

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« 2019-Dec-16, 10:27 AM Reply #10 »
It is happening right now.

You'll understand why I prefer not to go into any more detail.

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« 2019-Dec-16, 03:19 PM Reply #11 »

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« 2019-Dec-16, 04:24 PM Reply #12 »
wily you are kidding aren't you?? This is not just about Dr Nic, if you aren't being affected by the POC tax then you either don't back winners or just plain don't care if you win?? Dr Nic is a symptom....he is not the disease.........I don't care about Dr Nic personally either but for racing to prosper or even survive it needs liquidity.....Dr Nic leaves then so will the next big punter, then Bookies will pull out and we will have less competition the Bookies that remain still need top make a profit but like the little corner store, they will need to make much higher profits out of a small turnover,  stores like Woolies and Coles who can offer specials and cut their margins to the bone.....You WILL pay! if you had to go back to shopping from the corner store most would starve
I won't cos I will be doing a Dr Nic, my Turnover has already dropped by the best part of 70%, my turnover was minuscule by comparison to Dr Nic but a sign of what thinking punters are doing.....I am on the verge of giving away punting completely after more than half a century.........If they take away any possibility of winning I won't play......what about you?

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« 2019-Dec-16, 06:07 PM Reply #13 »
Hi Dave
In another lifetime I may have agreed with you but Iíve long moved on from it.

The punt for me is about entertainment, social exchange and a major love of the animal.
I do sufficient form to support my small bets and I continue to find a heap of winners. Thereís plenty of evidence on this site to support that.

I donít rely on algorithms that blanket betting options, looking to return a small % on a major outlay.

If I have my usual 20x 20 I really donít care that my divvy may be affected by the take out%. Frankly I back plenty of winners not to worry about the difference between a $8.30 or $8.50 dividend.

My ability to win on punt or enjoy the punt will not hinge on the same things as the good Doctor, Zelko or larger punters like yourself. That grates on a lot of people, I know but finding winners is what keeps me going not rakes or rebates

I fully understand why it matters to others :thumbsup:

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« 2019-Dec-16, 07:21 PM Reply #14 »
This looks like a good analysis.

Compared to some rubbish I've seen.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/so--what-happens-now-in-the-absence-of-dr-nick-20191216

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« 2019-Dec-16, 07:28 PM Reply #15 »
It is happening right now.

You'll understand why I prefer not to go into any more detail.

VPN comes to mind.

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« Last Edit: 2019-Dec-17, 03:00 PM by jfc »

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« 2019-Dec-17, 04:07 PM Reply #17 »
wily I don't think you get the point, Racing aka V'Landy's and co etc are addicted to the way they can just abuse punters, I don't give a damn about Dr Nick personally but he is a symptom of a disease called GREED.........if your neighbour had Small Pox would your inclination be to say "nothing to do with me, I don't have Small Pox yet?........do you think V'landy's will just say, "well racing will just have to tighten it's belt? We won't Rob poor silly wily for more.....just because we can and he doesn't even care"......
More Bookies will be exiting, so there will be less and less competition, less and less punters to make the same profit out of, so Bookies prices on everything will shorten and when you do back a winner V'Landy's will step in to take his bigger and bigger share......only a damn fool would allow that to happen without offering a whimper of protest!
All it takes for evil to flourish is for Good men to do nothing......that is why Hitler did what he did.....cos the German people had your attitude......until it was too late and the Gestapo was coming for them.....guess what.....there was no one left to help them
Greed has no bounds and it doesn't know when to stop of it's own accord, why would you want to let it run rampant right over the top of you? the size of your bets is irrelevant......
If there was a home invasion and they said we are just going to take half your stuff......you wouldn't still feel violated?? I know I would if it happened to me.....I wish I was a blissful as you seem to be about being raped......even a little bit!

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« 2019-Dec-17, 04:42 PM Reply #18 »
Most people who are bread & butter punters believe that  we are entitled to pay for a service.
It appears big money doesnít. Thatís where the greed is

At least the money that PVL rakes in goes back into the game. Can the same be said of Dr Nick or the Corporates prior to PVL shaking the system
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« 2019-Dec-22, 09:29 AM Reply #19 »
Advantages of a Dr Nickesque exodus include:
  • No POCT
  • Higher Kickbacks from Tabcorp
  • Better Betfair deal
  • Access to unlicensed Asian outfits
  • Invisible bets
  • Reduced Betfair latency
  • No ATO issues

These are clearly huge problems for the local industry.

But I can see this exodus growing further considering so many of the perps are cronies!

V'landys, Tabcorp and their ilk clearly brought this crisis upon themselves.

Usurious Rakes are bad enough, but the obscene Kickbacks encouraged syndicates to grow. So much so that the syndicates can now call the shots.

One key solution is to curb Kickbacks back to a level where the syndicates can still win something. But not enough to make it impossible for anyone else to continue.


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« 2019-Dec-22, 09:59 AM Reply #20 »
This is all interesting.

I have seen his mounting yard fitness staff around Victoria for years.

There are at least 5-6 I know of how cover a lot of races, 7 days a week.

They enter (ticks?) on each horse on a pad, as they walk past evaluating their fitness and send off the the betting office.

Some times say 1-2 would go to Sale races and not locals, he would be up for 12 hours pay for both = 24 hours, so image in monthly wage bill?

He made money so must be super smart punting on pre race fitness.


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« 2019-Dec-22, 10:11 AM Reply #21 »
Can he duplicate his mounting yard fitness ratings in UK?

I doubt very much in my opinion.

His points of fitness stats for his touch pad spotters will be lower.

Let's say his betting fitness is 95% collective ratings on each horse from spotters.

Because UK training is of a much lower standard, his collective betting fitness will be under 80% - 90%, and in Australia he would not touch these races/horses.

Now he has to bet millions of pounds in a lower framed fitness markets which will present a much higher risk of losing factors.

It just will not be profitable  and he will either go to sports betting or come back to Australia.

I have rated millions of horses around the world in fitness, and UK fitness is a very low standard, that is why Australia trainers
can put 10 lengths on a nice horse and win group races here.

Dr Nick is walking right into a huge quick sand.


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« 2019-Dec-22, 12:34 PM Reply #22 »
What a pile of drivel. I can get myself fitter than Usain Bolt. Hardly likely that I am going to run faster than him. What a sham.

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« 2019-Dec-22, 12:59 PM Reply #23 »
I advertised in UK for VACANT mounting yard spotters, a great job.

I did not get one reply, mounting yard fitness gurus are not out there.

DR NICK is going to sink on horse races in UK.

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« 2019-Dec-22, 03:23 PM Reply #24 »
I advertised in UK for VACANT mounting yard spotters, a great job.

I did not get one reply, mounting yard fitness gurus are not out there.

DR NICK is going to sink on horse races in UK.

Is that you WOT?


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