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Offline Bubbasmith

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O.P. « 2009-Feb-20, 08:15 PM »
On TvN Dr Turf ( John Rothfield ) made an interesting comment about midweek country meetings in Victoria. He suggested at some of the lesser meetings , where only two or three bookies turn up, that their opening markets might be "set up" so that the bookies themselves and/ or their associates can "get on" with the corporates. I have often noted thar IAS is the last of the corporates to bet on those obscure meetings..maybe IAS is a "little shy" in betting  those early prices because they have been caught out ."Pitching" is obviously alive and well today as it was in the old SP days of the last century.
Dr Turf speaks a bit of sense whereas Jason Richardson, a co-host on TvN, is clueless  ( see my previous posts on JR ).

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« 2009-Feb-20, 09:23 PM Reply #1 »
A good man John and one whose integrity is a lot more solid than others in the media. Is known to have left one job at 927 when bosses wanted him to be less critical of the industry.  :thumbsup:

Offline Max Manewer

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« 2009-Feb-20, 09:26 PM Reply #2 »
He wrote a book I think, never seen it, but wouldn't mind reading it.

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« 2009-Feb-20, 09:32 PM Reply #3 »
  JUST GOES TO SHOW how few people on here bet with corporates mid week for any money, you can't get opening odds with sportingbet at say SALE today, only starting price,theres middle tote only with most of em'..............DREAM ON WITH TURFIE IF YOU LIKE

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« 2009-Feb-20, 09:42 PM Reply #4 »
Sounds like a losing day, ledgerr ? What is this turfie-sportingbet thing ?

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« 2009-Feb-20, 09:50 PM Reply #5 »

   Winning day today maxxy.............  :lol:  winning week, winning month, and year...........good luck down at the library

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« 2009-Feb-20, 09:59 PM Reply #6 »
No need to be a smart ahrse there  ledgerr, but you haven't explained your little diatribe..........does the doctor push sportingbet product ?????? 

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« 2009-Feb-20, 10:05 PM Reply #7 »
Tell me legpullerr77 ,what percentage of weeks would you lose ? I assume you back rather than lay horses ?

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« 2009-Feb-20, 10:58 PM Reply #8 »
Are there any bookmakers that actually run a book based on their own opinions ?

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« 2009-Feb-21, 07:02 AM Reply #9 »
     Never mind about me maxxy, the punts good, lifes  good, and i swing both ways  :lol: :with betfair as an essential tool of my trade(15%)...........i was merely commenting on the original post, small rings and plonks..........if the biggest corporate won't bet a call from provincial, how do u get on..............sportsbet won't answer the phone unless ur a pickle, i don't mind if the bookies bet 150%............less clues for the pickles!
     
« Last Edit: 2009-Feb-21, 08:28 AM by ledgerr77 »

Offline Max Manewer

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« 2009-Feb-21, 08:40 AM Reply #10 »
Several corporates put up fixed odds markets on country/prov. racing, doesn't mean they will let you on though, it depends on their assessment of you as a "smartie". Sportingbet may accomodate what you describe as "pickles" at fixed odds there too, I don't know as my a/c with them was heavily restricted long ago, and as I recall the fixed odds was the first tap turned off.

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« 2009-Feb-21, 08:45 AM Reply #11 »
Also, the corporates generally, but not all, frame markets more attractive % wise  than the on-course operators, with the problem again being getting your bet accepted. The books on-course HAVE to accept bets to the prescribed limits.

And ledgerr.....   I promise not to worry about you   ;)

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« 2009-Feb-21, 09:15 AM Reply #12 »
Are there any bookmakers that actually run a book based on their own opinions ?
ha i dont think you will find one

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« 2009-Feb-21, 09:23 AM Reply #13 »
jay.......there may be a lot who follow-the-leader, but there has to be an originator, and what is that price other than their opinion ?

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« 2009-Feb-21, 09:28 AM Reply #14 »
I saw an article recently that described bookie Vince Aspinall as the principal  price originator for racing bookies Australia wide.  If that's true, he's a powerful man in the game.

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« 2009-Feb-21, 10:36 AM Reply #15 »
Are there any bookmakers that actually run a book based on their own opinions ?

the odd one,the leader in the sydney ring does

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« 2009-Feb-21, 10:37 AM Reply #16 »
   Australia wide ........................  :lol: .............i must get Vinces market next time i head to cranbourne/mornington............it will be EXTREMELY handy if the loo's run short............aye carumba :p

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« 2009-Feb-21, 10:38 AM Reply #17 »
I saw an article recently that described bookie Vince Aspinall as the principal  price originator for racing bookies Australia wide.  If that's true, he's a powerful man in the game.


a big % of them get his prices,most use them as a guide

Offline Max Manewer

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« 2009-Feb-21, 10:46 AM Reply #18 »
Ledgerr 77 much smarter than anyone here......stuffed if I know why he is here, really.   :wacko:

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« 2009-Feb-21, 11:00 AM Reply #19 »
Ledgerr 77 much smarter than anyone here......stuffed if I know why he is here, really.   :wacko:

to help the less fortunate max

Offline Max Manewer

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« 2009-Feb-21, 11:06 AM Reply #20 »
330/1 chance, that, Judge   :nowink:

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« 2009-Feb-21, 11:17 AM Reply #21 »
Ledgerr 77 much smarter than anyone here......stuffed if I know why he is here, really.   :wacko:

Let's be honest.  If you were smart, you wouldn't be here.

I'd be living at Port Douglas in the Penthouse Suite if I really knew anything about the GG's  :lol:

Offline Max Manewer

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« 2009-Feb-21, 11:22 AM Reply #22 »
mmmm.....I'd say a few here do better than O.K.

p.s.......stuff the penthouse....I hate ostentation !   ;)

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« 2009-Feb-21, 11:31 AM Reply #23 »
Let's be honest.  If you were smart, you wouldn't be here.

I'd be living at Port Douglas in the Penthouse Suite if I really knew anything about the GG's  :lol:

There are at least 3 intellectuals on this forum at least.


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