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Offline wily ole dog

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O.P. « 2020-Jul-03, 04:56 PM »
Any thoughts on tomorrow’s finals?

Some great racing, plenty of depth and heaps of value.

It’s staggering some of the odds being served up :thumbsup:

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« 2020-Jul-03, 07:01 PM Reply #1 »
Pretty tough question to ask on a Friday re Flemington, Wily.
Bit of rain around and rail goes back to true so you need to watch a couple.

I will use my multiplier on Rich Charm.
If he hadn't suffered that dreaded bone bruising and in another time and place I would have piled into him.
If the track is around a 6 rating I'll have a little saver and quinella with Lord Von Costa.

Flemington does seem to be a specialist's track.....doesn't it?......you need to see form at the track.
So many factors isn't there?.......the pace......the bias.....good luck!





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« 2020-Jul-04, 08:32 AM Reply #2 »
The difference between the quality on offer this afternoon at Flemington and at Randwick is stark.

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-Jul-04, 09:04 AM Reply #3 »
Not sure why Brian but this series has always stood up well.
Sydney tried it a few years back but it never got any real traction

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« 2020-Jul-04, 09:26 AM Reply #4 »
Explain to me how 2 runners get a start in a 2yr sprinters final in their first race?

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« 2020-Jul-04, 09:36 AM Reply #5 »

It is all about inflating the fields to inflate turnover -- all unfairly

Asking about 2 first starters as finalists is just the start of the fair questions ........half the horses accepted to run on this 'finals day' should not be permitted to......... any runner priced over 20/1 at start time should be scratched at the barrier.

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« 2020-Jul-04, 09:50 AM Reply #6 »
Mair,  :censored:  off with your shit if you’re not going to contribute

Going in the new comp to support the forum,that you utilise?

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« 2020-Jul-05, 10:59 AM Reply #7 »
Remarkable stuff from Sirconni yesterday in The Winter Championship final ........truly remarkable.
Hands up anyone who thought the 92 rated horse could be capable of bringing up his 4th win in 28 starts in this fashion.
Barrier 13..... up on the pace....when the other leaders were weakening produced a devastating sprint :what:

Had just too much of an Aquanita Racing look about it to me .....I'm going to become a spectator once again.

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« 2020-Jul-05, 11:29 AM Reply #8 »
A few of us backed it mate. Last run was wonderful.
Looks like he’s recaptured the form he showed a few preps back.
Love to know why as well

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« 2020-Jul-05, 12:19 PM Reply #9 »
Paid $10 Wily so plenty of people backed him.
Looked way too good to be true to my eye......much better than any form from any preps ago.

Now that the trainer has sorted out the " things that haven't gone right here or there" we can expect Sirconni to maintain the rating figures he produced yesterday......I suppose!

Wouldn't that be great!

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« 2020-Jul-05, 08:30 PM Reply #10 »


Was Sirconni readied?

................ reading 'between the lines', some are thinking Sirconni was primed to run contrary to expectations....it shortened accordingly  and won running away.

However that may be considered 'acceptable' ....within the industry ......... it remains a deception of most punters.

Accepting that deception is an indictment of the industry being nominally against 'corruption' while openly applauding 'feats of training expertise'.

.....the critical questions are about 'who was told what?' and 'who bet what? ............. an insider clique rorting the betting is an offence ........those so 'winning' should be identified and investigated.

..... that will not happen .......and that 'not' mocks the administrator's claimed  commitment to 'integrity'.


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« 2020-Jul-05, 08:45 PM Reply #11 »
Given your clear lack of understanding of form, that’s no surprise you’ve come up with another brain fart.  :lol:

You didn’t happen to see the horses previous 2 runs you moron  :tin:

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« 2020-Jul-06, 08:32 AM Reply #12 »
The point is not that Sirconni won, it was the dominance of the win.....he completely obliterated the field.
Certainly found stamina that has never been evident until a week before.

If Sirconni was a Chinese swimmer or a Russian road walker and a little Aussie battler came 2nd then The Daily Terrorgraph and radio shock jocks would be working overtime.

Not one of the Herald "experts" found a spot for the 4th fav.
Sirconni couldn't rate a mention from Racing.Com's "Analyser" :what: and the only time he got mentioned on 'Get On' was when Matt Campbell said there was money for him when $17 was available.
No big surprise there.....happens regularly!......I can't see anyone who would have predicted that.
Wide draw and coming back in distance were a couple of the obvious negatives about the horse.

Like I said, had Aquanita written all over it and if there is such a thing as 'integrity' in horse racing, that blood sample would be on it's way to the French Lab that states can detect EPO......surely in this day and age trainers could at least face the threat of that.
Anyway this is horse racing so we call 'correct weight' and move on to the next race......what a turn off!
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« 2020-Jul-07, 10:55 AM Reply #13 »
I see that the Racing Victorian Handicapper has raised Sirconni's rating from 92 to 98 after his demolition of Victoria's best winter milers.
I would have thought it was better than that but I won't be arguing with the Handicapper.

Anyway .....time to move on......what time's the next race? :shrug:

Off topic warning but my thoughts often go to this fellow and it's not because I enjoyed my couple of years of Latin at school....
Annus Mirabilis...... RIP.....sad end for you, my boy!
https://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?HorseCode=NjYyNjI3MzI4Mw%3d%3d&src=horsesearch


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