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Offline gunbower

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« 2018-Jan-28, 03:22 PM Reply #50 »
Yes great memories of a true "iron " horse pwa54. He could find a good horse to run into on his day as well. I remember when Lenny Hill rode him to win the Cox Plate I have a feeling he was a late replacement  rider for someone. Who , I cannot recollect, maybe some one will remember. Hill rode in Melbourne originally as stable rider for the big punting Ysmael  outfit.

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« 2018-Jan-28, 03:46 PM Reply #51 »
Who were the two jockey's who rode him to victory in The Invitation Stakes?

1970 Mick Mallyon

1971 Mick Goreham

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« 2018-Jan-28, 03:58 PM Reply #52 »
Correct Gun. Correct again about Cox Plate. Pat Hyland was engaged for The Cox Plate but fell from St, Crispin in the first and was sent to hospital and replaced by Len Hill. Behind the placegetters in The 1971 Cox Plate were Gunsynd, Rajah Sahib, Tails, Classic Mission and Silver Knight. 

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« 2018-Jan-29, 02:05 AM Reply #53 »
Here's an article by Turf Monthly's Warwick Hobson from 1990 on Tauto. Tauto was never an out-and-out champion but still, as Warwick Hobson points out, 10 placings in Group 1 handicaps and only one win is probably a record!


I've got half a dozen or so Turf Monthly's from the late 70's and on PWA. It is great fun reading them all these years on.

In the February 1980 monthly there is much excitement as Manikato is approaching the record prizemoney level, and an article appears on the "three Ms"...Matrice, Manihi (by Matrice) and Manikato (by Manihi).

Matrice won 19 races in Adelaide but was a highly successful sire his best 3 probably being Taj Rossi, Toltrice and Pago Pago. In 1974 he was the first domestic bred sire champion since Spearfelt in 1943.

There is also an article on Analie because her daughter Aare won by 4 lengths on debut - Aare went on to win the Blue Diamond and I think she ran 4th in the Slipper.

And Tonto's article on clocks is relevant to an article on the controversy about Auries Star's track record. Many apparently think the clock malfunctioned that day. He ran 1.8.25 for six furlongs which was converted to a "pacesetter record" by the VRC of 1.7.8

They mention the fastest 1200m on "the East Coast" by Sticks And Stones at 1.8.7

I was there that day. He won eased right up from about the 50m mark and to this day I maintain it was the best sprinting performance I have seen. Alas he was unsound and didn't race very much after that but had some success as a sire.

Auries Star was owned in Adelaide by George Badman who raced Royal Gem (who is an entry in our champion racehorse records thread) and Beau Gem whose record is worthy of mention:

Beau Gem

1946   VRC Byron Moore Stakes   Pr   5F
1947   PARC Port Adelaide Guineas   Pr   9F
1947   VATC Burwood Handicap   Pr   8F
1947   VRC Victoria Derby   Pr   12F
1948   AdelRC South Aust. St. Leger Stakes   Pr   14F
1948   VRC Turnbull Stakes   Pr   12F
1949   AdelRC Parkside Stakes   Pr   10F
1949   MRC Underwood Stakes   Pr   9F
1950   MRC Underwood Stakes   Pr   9F


Auries Star also ran a track record in the Oakleigh Plate (64.5 seconds for 5.5 furlongs) and in the Rosstown Plate at Caulfield (6 furlongs in 1.10.5). He equalled his own Caulfield track record next start - Nov 19 and Dec 26 1938.

The race in which he broke the Flemington track record was the VATC Whittier Hcp which was run on Sept 7, 1940 at Flemington because of the war. He carried 10st 2lbs (64.5 kg). He was ridden by Norm Creighton and trained by Bob Sinclair. He defeated All Veil (Harold Badger) and Hilton (Ossie Phillips).

Auries Star did not race at two and had only 4 starts as a 3yo.

He won the 1940 Goodwood by 5 lengths with 10 st (63.5 kg) - it was a handicap back then.

Norm Creighton maintained that there was no controversy and that Auries Star did indeed run that time down the straight.

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« 2018-Jan-29, 02:12 AM Reply #54 »
I should have added that the above article was by John Bartle.

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« 2018-Jan-29, 02:44 AM Reply #55 »
Turf Monthly Cover Feb 1980 - Double Century was very "flash"




The ads for the Gold Coast sales would not be approved by Katie Page these days I would think





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« 2018-Jan-29, 11:34 AM Reply #56 »
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Yes great memories of a true "iron " horse pwa54.

I've got half a dozen or so Turf Monthly's from the late 70's and on PWA. It is great fun reading them all these years on

Exactly right, Gunbower, a true "iron horse", and the bush origins add so much to his story.

Looked forward each month to Turf Monthly, PP. I've kept the annuals with their summary of the season, and a few odd ones escaped various downsizings plus a few photocopies of articles here and there. Great nostalgia and it wasn't just the champions but the very good gallopers like Beau Gem that deserved to be chronicled and were interesting stories in their own right.

I looked up a bit on Beau Gem; he had 20 wins, 15 seconds, 10 thirds and did a lot of racing for a stallion. His Vic Derby was a race record and the first photo-finish in the race. He was neck and neck with Chanak for the last furlong but apparently Darby Munro was the difference. Sold to America where he produced a few stakeswinners.


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« 2018-Jan-29, 12:43 PM Reply #57 »
Aare ran sixth in the 1980 Slipper ridden by Gary Willetts - started 12/1.

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« 2018-Jan-29, 12:54 PM Reply #58 »
Aare ran sixth in the 1980 Slipper ridden by Gary Willetts - started 12/1.

Cheers. I knew it ran an OK race because I was on it. The Victorian and South Australian 2YO form was dominant at that time with horses like Manikato, Karaman and Out Of Danger being top of the class the previous year or years.

That race was won by Dark Eclipse which I think may have been an Ingham 2YO filly trained by the best trainer of fillies and mares ever Neville Begg??

Guessing there.

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« 2018-Jan-29, 12:54 PM Reply #59 »
I've just been flicking through the September 1962 issue of Sports Novels and the featured inside cover horse is Walton.

Walton was the younger brother of Todman and Noholme and he had just turned three.

At that stage he had had four starts without winning but had a habit of missing the start and was seen as promising. In fact Sports Novels was tipping him to be a future star.

Just wondering if anyone knows how it all panned out for him.




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« 2018-Jan-29, 12:58 PM Reply #60 »
That race was won by Dark Eclipse which I think may have been an Ingham 2YO filly trained by the best trainer of fillies and mares ever Neville Begg??

Guessing there.

My beaten up Millers Guide lists the owners as Mesdames M J Bain, M Campbell & Miss F Bain - trained by Neville Begg   emthup  ridden by Kevin Moses.

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« 2018-Jan-29, 01:10 PM Reply #61 »

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Walton was the younger brother of Todman and Noholme and he had just turned three.

At that stage he had had four starts without winning but had a habit of missing the start and was seen as promising. In fact Sports Novels was tipping him to be a future star.

Just wondering if anyone knows how it all panned out for him.

Wenona, the below is from a Max Presnell article.

"Todman and Noholme were by the mighty Star Kingdom, imported by Wootton from Britain, and Oceana produced only two others - Shifnal and Faringdon, also by the stallion, with a "good rating" on the racetrack. Four others, Todhurst, Star Ocean, Walton and Greatness, were "poor""

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« 2018-Jan-29, 01:11 PM Reply #62 »
My beaten up Millers Guide lists the owners as Mesdames M J Bain, M Campbell & Miss F Bain - trained by Neville Begg   emthup  ridden by Kevin Moses.

Aaahhh. Thanks.

Pretty sure Moses was his 2nd string rider behind the great Ronnie Quinton (a jockey not given enough recognition IMO). And there might have been a more fancied stablemate in the race. Dark Eclipse beat Joy and Baglaga Miss.

Joy was from Vic or SA? Not sure about Baglaga Miss but pretty sure Ronnie wasn't on it.

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« 2018-Jan-29, 02:34 PM Reply #63 »


From The Story of the Golden Slipper by Warwick Hobson

Ron Quinton was planning to ride Fiancee in the Slipper but she had a few bad runs and Ron never asked Neville Begg to replace Kevin Moses who had ridden Dark Eclipse in her 2 previous starts. If he had, Moses would have been replaced.

Joy ridden by Pat Hyland, Baglaga Miss by Wayne Harris.

Ron rode Fiancee who finished 8th. She started at 6-1 though, so not far behind Dark Eclipse in the market. Shaybisc was 5-2 favourite

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« 2018-Jan-29, 10:25 PM Reply #64 »
By a strange coincidence I read that someone has been flicking through the Turf Monthly Annuals - that is just what I did today!  Gosh, there are some memories buried within those pages.
I have also been flicking through a few of my older books (bought in the 1980's) and some of the old photographs really do show what it was like in the old days. Some of the fences in a couple of the jumping photos makes your eyes water compared to today's.
It's bedtime but I look forward to a return visit tomorrow.

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« 2018-Jan-29, 10:27 PM Reply #65 »
Wenona, the below is from a Max Presnell article.

"Todman and Noholme were by the mighty Star Kingdom, imported by Wootton from Britain, and Oceana produced only two others - Shifnal and Faringdon, also by the stallion, with a "good rating" on the racetrack. Four others, Todhurst, Star Ocean, Walton and Greatness, were "poor""
I'd certainly be interested if anyone had more detailed information about what Walton did at three and beyond.

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« 2018-Jan-30, 08:47 AM Reply #66 »
I'd certainly be interested if anyone had more detailed information about what Walton did at three and beyond.

Was Walton that great big bugger who they always had trouble loading?

Or am I thinking of  another with a name starting with W?

I think Windsor Park was another?


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« 2018-Jan-30, 12:18 PM Reply #67 »
The bit in the magazine comments that he was a lot smaller than his brothers.

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« 2018-Jan-30, 12:19 PM Reply #68 »
Well that solves that then.

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« 2018-Jan-30, 04:46 PM Reply #69 »
Cheers. I knew it ran an OK race because I was on it. The Victorian and South Australian 2YO form was dominant at that time with horses like Manikato, Karaman and Out Of Danger being top of the class the previous year or years.

That race was won by Dark Eclipse which I think may have been an Ingham 2YO filly trained by the best trainer of fillies and mares ever Neville Begg??

Guessing there.

Out of Danger, I clearly remember when it won the Blue Diamond Stakes in 1976 @ 33/1. I had $10.000 to $300 with Mark Read on it..it messed up his book, from memory Desirable another C S Hayes horse ran in the race as a short priced favourite.

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« 2018-Jan-30, 08:24 PM Reply #70 »
R Mallyon rode Tauto in 1970 and M Goreham in 1971 (Miller's Guide, 1996) 

On timing I once read a newspaper article stating that times were often not taken in the UK as it was not possible to see the start from the finish line so taking the time was a relatively modern activity ( I am guessing post WW1). The article may have appeared in an NZ newspaper.  I recall that it was written around the time that someone had discovered that NZ had not accurately surveyed one of the NZ tracks and only Gloamings 4f. time stood from that period after the track was re-surveyed.

Cheers

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« 2018-Jan-30, 08:24 PM Reply #71 »
WALTON, Br. c. 1959, Star Kingdom (IRE) -- Oceana (IRE), by Colombo (GB). 
 
Race Summary: 23 Starts. 0-5-2 

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« 2018-Feb-02, 04:07 PM Reply #72 »
1965 Newmarket



Interesting that there is an unraced horse Prince Ming. He went on to win the Adelaide Birthday Cup that year.

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« 2018-Feb-02, 04:20 PM Reply #73 »
On Monday they ran the Australian Cup.

Winner was Craftsman ridden by Pat Hyland



Craftsman was a more than a handy horse.

He went on to win the 1966 Australian Cup as well. Didn't quite make our list of champions

Craftsman (AUS) 1960

Aust.Id.: 176245   brown stallion   Date of Birth: 00/00/1960
       
by Better Boy (IRE) 1951   
from Blue Gipsy (AUS) 1952
    
1965   MornRC Mornington Cup   Pr
1966   GeelRC Geelong Cup   Pr
1965   VRC Turnbull Stakes   Pr
1964   VATC JJ Liston Stakes   Pr
1965   VRC C.B. Fisher Plate   Pr
1965   AJC Autumn Stakes   Pr
1966   AJC Autumn Stakes   Pr
1965   VRC Australian Cup   Pr
1966   VRC Australian Cup   Pr
1963   VRC Victoria Derby   Pr
1965   VRC Queen Elizabeth Stakes (Autumn)   Pr
1966   VRC Queen Elizabeth Stakes (Autumn)   Pr



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« 2018-Feb-02, 06:39 PM Reply #74 »
Is Prince Ming there in the Newmarket as an unraced horse or as a horse first up from a spell?


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