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Offline tontonan

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« 2018-Mar-09, 03:52 PM Reply #150 »
Hi Brian.

Happy to.

The Sydney QE Stakes was, according to the Stud Book, called the AJC Queens Plate. Then in 1873 it is named the AJC Plate and this continues up until 1954 when it takes it's current name.

Interestingly there are two winners of the race in 1954. One of them was run on February 6th and was won by Blue Ocean



 In 1954 there was an AJC Queen Elizabeth Stakes over a mile and a half  (won by Blue Ocean ) and at the Autumn meeting the last AJC Plate was run over 2 miles won by Lancaster.   The race was not run twice.  They were two different races, different distances, different dates. 

 In January 1954 the AJC had reduced the distance of the AJC Plate to 2 miles from 2¼ miles and removed the time limit (which was imposed so that if exceeded the winner would forfeit half its stake for not running fast enough).  By the end of the year they abandoned the race altogether and transferred the AJC Queen Elizabeth Stakes in its place for the 1955 meeting.

This business of fiddling the registered name of races is just an attempt to invent a heritage for races that they don't actually have.   I can buy the concept that as the premier WFA race at the AJC Autumn meeting the QE Stakes can claim some sort of heritage in the ultra marathon AJC Plate... but it is really pushing the envelope.




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« 2018-Mar-09, 08:37 PM Reply #151 »


 In 1954 there was an AJC Queen Elizabeth Stakes over a mile and a half  (won by Blue Ocean ) and at the Autumn meeting the last AJC Plate was run over 2 miles won by Lancaster.   The race was not run twice.  They were two different races, different distances, different dates. 

 In January 1954 the AJC had reduced the distance of the AJC Plate to 2 miles from 2¼ miles and removed the time limit (which was imposed so that if exceeded the winner would forfeit half its stake for not running fast enough).  By the end of the year they abandoned the race altogether and transferred the AJC Queen Elizabeth Stakes in its place for the 1955 meeting.

This business of fiddling the registered name of races is just an attempt to invent a heritage for races that they don't actually have.   I can buy the concept that as the premier WFA race at the AJC Autumn meeting the QE Stakes can claim some sort of heritage in the ultra marathon AJC Plate... but it is really pushing the envelope.

Just re-iterating that I am reporting what is in the Stud Book.

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« 2018-May-24, 10:34 PM Reply #152 »
An interesting article in the 1927 Canberra Times describing the history of the Melbourne Cup







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« 2018-May-25, 11:35 AM Reply #153 »
I am not sure that the article is correct.

 In Banker's Cup there were only seven starters and Rose Denmark was placed third (she was also third the following year).  There was no failure to weigh in, not according to the VRC, historian Andrew Lemon or author Maurie Cavanough.  I think the adage 'you can't always believe what you read in the newspapers' applies. 

The writer may have been confused by the judge not declaring third place in the 1866 Cup because he maintained Falcon had worn the wrong colours.  The stewards confirmed Falcon third although many bookmakers refused to pay Falcon for the place arguing that only the judge had the authority to declare placings.

However, the old Miller's Guide Melbourne Cup results contains the footnote :

Note: Rose Of Denmark's jockey did not weigh in and she was subsequently disqualified although most record books still show her as the third placegetter.

It is a significant fact for the likes of Lemon and Cavanough to overlook - and given that the press at the time reported no such thing I suspect it is a furphy.

While on Rose of Denmark it is worth pointing out that she was probably the best bred mare ever imported to Australia by the 'Emporer of Stallions', Stockwell, from the 1855 English Oaks winner Marchioness. 

Marchioness was also imported to Australia with Rose of Demark (in utero ?).  She produced the VRC Derby winner and leading stallion Angler (x Fisherman) and the massively expensive and champion colt Fishhook (x Fisherman).  Rose of Denmark produced Florence (x Boiardo), the first horse to win Derbies in three colonies/states;   Hamlet (x Maribyrnong), winner of the Sires, Champagne, Derby and St Leger; and Hamlet's brother Horatio, winner of the Great Metropolitan. 



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« 2018-Jul-10, 12:40 PM Reply #154 »
It might have been mentioned here before but Ian Ibbett has a great site called Kings of the Turf  http://kingsoftheturf.com/

It's a year-by-year history of the AJC Derby from 1861-1977, superbly researched and really well written. Each year has about 5,000 -10,000 words with photos and illustrations.

For anyone at all interested in racing history it's well worth a visit.

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« 2018-Jul-10, 01:40 PM Reply #155 »
It might have been mentioned here before but Ian Ibbett has a great site called Kings of the Turf  http://kingsoftheturf.com/

It's a year-by-year history of the AJC Derby from 1861-1977, superbly researched and really well written. Each year has about 5,000 -10,000 words with photos and illustrations.

For anyone at all interested in racing history it's well worth a visit.

Interesting read pwa.

I never realized the role Tommy Smith had in the importation of champion sire Showdown to Australia

In the winter of 1965, Tommy Smith again made his regular pilgrimage to Europe, this time in the company of Ken Cox, the proprietor of the Stockwell Stud, Victoria. Cox was in the market for a well-bred English stallion, one with speed in his pedigree, and he was relying on Smith’s expertise to make his choice.  Their itinerary included taking in the glamour and excitement of Royal Ascot, and it was there that Smith was struck by the four-year-old Infatuation stallion, Showdown, in finishing second in the prestigious Queen Anne Stakes (1m).  After the event, Smith approached the horse endeavouring to obtain a close view of his conformation and physique only to be rebuffed by an overzealous panjandrum acting as gate-keeper. Nonetheless, the master horseman had seen enough.  After inspecting several more prospective stallions over the next few weeks, his mind kept coming back to Showdown, and he recommended that Ken Cox make an offer for the showy chestnut son of Infatuation by Nearco, and who was out of the wonderful European broodmare, Zanzara, a granddaughter of Fair Trial.  Cox offered $80,000 but was unable to close the deal, and while Smith continued on his holiday, the owner of Stockwell Stud returned to Australia empty-handed.  It wasn’t until three months later with Showdown still unsold and Cox persisting with his offer through the British Bloodstock Agency, that a settlement was finally agreed and the horse transported to Australia.


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« 2018-Jul-10, 02:47 PM Reply #156 »
There's a huge amount of info there, PP, and some great stories. Tommy Smith features prominently in many of them starting with 1949, and the author seems to be very fair in his judgements on TJ's character and skills as a trainer.

It was something I was aware of, but I've never properly realised how much of our turf history depended on the extravagant spending of exceptionally wealthy individuals and also on the major role that sheer bad luck played in the racing careers of many could-have-been champions.

One example was the latest instalment posted about the 1894 Derby, where it describes the fate of the champion New Zealander, Tirailleur, which had his tail caught and broken on the rail journey between Sydney and Melbourne and was never the same horse afterwards.


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« 2018-Jul-10, 02:59 PM Reply #157 »
and the author seems to be very fair in his judgements on TJ's character and skills as a trainer.

Would you mind expanding on that, pwa?

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« 2018-Jul-10, 05:06 PM Reply #158 »
JWH, it was more of an impression gained reading through the author's accounts of the 50s and 60s. His comparison of George Moore and Tommy Smith, showing how similar both men were in temperament and how both were geniuses in their own right, struck me as a balanced comparison and assessment. With some writers and journalists over the years you could tell pretty quickly if they were pro- or anti- TJ but not in this case.

I liked this line from the 1960s

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If the training of racehorses was an art rather than a science – and Tommy never doubted that it was – he was now performing as a virtuoso

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« 2018-Jul-10, 06:03 PM Reply #159 »
Thanks

Agreed. 

Both geniuses in there own rights.

And it would be only some time when the Daily Mirror would report another tiff.




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« 2018-Jul-10, 06:28 PM Reply #160 »
I'm finding it impossible to download this item.  I keep getting the message below.  What am I doing wrong?


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« 2018-Jul-10, 06:49 PM Reply #161 »
I'm finding it impossible to download this item.  I keep getting the message below.  What am I doing wrong?


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It's not you Brian. I'm getting that error as well. Was working OK earlier today!

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« 2018-Jul-10, 06:57 PM Reply #162 »
Well in case the site goes belly up, here is some of the Tea Rose/Shannon page from the cache Brian.


1944 – Tea Rose and the Riddle of Shannon

By Ian Ibbett

On April 9, 2018

In 1940's


On a midsummer’s day in 1943, Peter Riddle happened to be at the Newmarket yards of William Inglis and Son when the yearlings from Kia-Ora Stud were being unloaded from the horse float.  In those days, the yearlings arrived at the yards well before Easter to be prepared for the sales, and the Kia-Ora stock was generally the first, some three months before the auction.  Although Peter Riddle’s brother, Bert, was the manager of the stud at the time, Peter hadn’t been given any privileged information concerning this particular batch. But for a reason which he later had difficulty explaining, he took a liking to one little colt as he emerged from the float.  “I followed him around to his box and found out that he was by Midstream from Idle Words.  He wasn’t a particularly impressive yearling in the accepted sense, being rather on the frail side.  Brother Bert evidently thought he was the worst of Kia-Ora’s nine Midstream colts because he had placed him last on the list.  But I seemed to have a sort of inspired fancy for this colt and the hunch, fortunately, remained with me until the sale.  I got him for 350 guineas although he did have a bit of a bump on his leg at the time of the sale.”  I should point out here that breeders then tended to catalogue their yearlings to be sold from each sire in an assumed order of merit.  The idea behind this approach was that if the horse which most buyers preferred was placed first, those unsuccessful bidders might be induced to bid for the next best by the same sire, and so forth.

The 1943 draft was the third crop of Midstreams to be offered for sale.  Percy Miller, acting through Clive Inglis, had bought the horse in England in December 1937 for 3500 guineas without ever having seen him.  He was the last stallion imported to Kia-Ora before the War.   Miller cabled instructions to his London representative to select in order of preference the best looking young horses being offered at the December bloodstock sales.  Midstream got the verdict and when Miller analysed his pedigree and racecourse performances he, in turn, was fired with enthusiasm.  A son of Blandford who had sired four English Derby winners (Trigo, Blenheim, Windsor Lad and Bahram), Midstream was a horse of impressive power and symmetry and looked every inch a prospective stallion.  He had only been lightly raced in England over three seasons and during each had proved himself a first-class performer winning 5 ½ races from 17 starts and being placed in the prestigious Sussex Stakes.  All told he cost Miller around £5,000 to land in Australia, but he was worth every penny of it.  Midstream would become the second stallion standing at Kia-Ora during Percy Miller’s lifetime to head the Australian Sires’ List, and it was the little colt bought by Peter Riddle that made it possible. His name, of course, was Shannon.

Idle Words, the dam of Shannon, was only a slight-framed filly when Claude McIntosh of Quirindi bought her at the Sydney Sales in 1935 for 110 guineas.  She had been broken in immediately and put into work with Danny Swanson at Warwick Farm.  She had two starts for him, finishing unplaced each time before being sent to her owner’s property at Quirindi for a three months spell.  During that time, she was hacked about the property doing regular station work, but showed McIntosh enough dash that he fancied her as a first-up proposition in town.  This time Idle Words was sent down to Chris O’Rourke to train, and about six weeks later she appeared in a Welter at Moorefield.  Claude was inclined to have a dash at her in the ring on the strength of what he had seen her do at home, but O’Rourke cautioned that he didn’t think the mare had been in work long enough.  Deferring to the trainer’s better judgement, Claude forgot about his dreams of a sting and returned to Quirindi going about his station work on the day of the race.  It isn’t hard to imagine his feelings when he turned on the wireless that evening and heard the race results from Moorefield.  Idle Words had won the Flying Welter by ten lengths at 33/1!  It was the apogee of her racing fortunes, however, and she only managed to win two other races.

Towards the end of her career, Idle Words was even taken to Grafton in an attempt to win a race but failed to do so.  The mare was a bad traveller and when she returned to Randwick after her long journey to the Clarence River district, she was as poor as a gallicrow.  With no pretensions to glamour, and only three wins in modest company to show for her four seasons on the racecourse, Idle Words went into the William Inglis sales ring in July 1938.  Being a daughter of Magpie, Percy Miller was prepared to risk 75 guineas on her as a matron but was slightly ashamed to have the name Kia-Ora announced as the buyer.  So, he got Sydney trainer Bob Mead, to do the bidding.  She must have been one of the cheapest mares ever bought for Kia-Ora and one of the best money-spinners in the Stud’s history.

Shannon might have only brought 350 guineas, but once he showed what he could do on a racecourse, buyers fell over themselves for his younger brothers.  Percy Miller retained the filly foals, but he disposed of the colts, and those sired by Midstream, brought some fabulous sums.  Her 1944 foal, Lysander, fetched 4,000 guineas; in 1945 came Bernbrook, who brought 3,500 guineas; 1949 was Canute who realised 5,200 guineas; and in 1952, Jaseur brought 3,800 guineas.  As we shall see, just like Shannon some of these expensive younger brothers also made bids for the Derby crown at Randwick.   I might mention that Idle Words was mated with stallions other than Midstream at Kia Ora, including Pantheon, Delville Wood, and Channel Swell, but it was with Midstream that she clicked, and for Percy Miller at least, the cash register never stopped ringing.

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The man who had acquired this bargain yearling that was to become the famous Shannon was one of the most knowledgeable horsemen in the land.  Born at Cowra fifty-eight years earlier, Peter Riddle was the son of a trotting enthusiast who, in the late nineteenth century established the Normanhurst Stud at South Granville in the western suburbs of Sydney.  Both Peter, and his brother Bert, each followed their father into the light-harness sport before ultimately moving on to thoroughbreds. It was in 1913 following the death of Gus Millsom that Peter Riddle took over as trainer-driver for Percy Miller, then the outstanding trotting owner of the times.  In the next fifteen years that Riddle worked with Miller, there were few trotting races of importance that he didn’t win either for himself or his patron, including the Sires’ Produce Stakes in Sydney and Melbourne for six years in succession and a Sydney Cup with Maoriland.  However, the best horse that Riddle came across during all his years in the light-harness game was one he owned himself, Sheik, a horse that he initially leased before purchasing outright.  When Sheik was in his prime (1922-25) Riddle campaigned him and other horses in New Zealand for more than four years, winning such valuable races as the Canterbury, New Zealand and Otahuhu Cups.

It was in 1927 following his return from New Zealand that Riddle announced his intention to switch his allegiance to gallopers as from Easter the following year – initially as a private trainer for Miller, although later on going public.  At first, he took out stabling at the William Inglis yards at Newmarket.  As we have seen, Percy Miller was never as successful with the gallopers that carried his colours as he had been in harness racing, but there were some notable victories nonetheless with Riddle, including the VRC Oaks winner, Session.  When the former leading trainer, Frank Marsden died in 1931, Riddle assumed the lease on the famous Bowral Street stables that Marsden had constructed in 1920 at the cost of £2,600.  The establishment had once sheltered the likes of Furious and Richmond Main, and more recently, the immortal Phar Lap during the time that Harry Telford rented boxes there.  Immediately after Shannon’s first early morning gallop at Randwick, Riddle realised that this latest lodger of Bowral Street was going to uphold the finest traditions of the place that housed him, and certainly would not shame his association with those ghosts of greatness past.

Riddle was actually blessed with two good juveniles that season, for also in his care was Bravo, a very speedy colt by Le Grand Duc, owned by brother Bert.  Shannon was supported to pull off a good thing at his racecourse debut in the Breeders’ Plate, despite the presence of the odds-on Majesty, who had been the top-priced colt at the Sydney Yearling Sales when he set Monte Walker back 1600 guineas.  Ridden by Fred Shean, who was entrusted with the mount in each of the colt’s seven starts at two, Shannon went under but only by the narrowest of margins to Victory Lad, ridden by a then little-known Queensland apprentice named George Moore.

Moore was indentured to Fred Shean’s brother, Jim, and was staying over as a free boarder in Fred’s house.  Perhaps upsetting a betting sting wasn’t the most diplomatic means for a young lad to ingratiate himself with a generous host but Fred showed no resentment.  Shannon was runner-up again a fortnight later in the Canonbury Stakes, before winning two races at Randwick in late November. Rested, Shannon was set for a campaign aimed solely at the rich Sires’ Produce Stakes at his home course.  Pitched in against eleven rivals, Shannon went to the post in the Sires’ as the public fancy; and he justified the support although it was a close-run thing.  The race was a roughhouse affair in the straight and interference cost some of Shannon’s rivals dearly; but thanks to Shean’s decision to trail the pacemaker, Shannon missed all the trouble to win by a half-neck from Tea Rose, while his stablemate, Bravo, filling the minor placing three lengths away.

You can be sure that Peter Riddle took a close measure of the rangy Mr Standfast filly that got so close to Shannon at the end of the Sires’ race.  The filly in question, Tea Rose, was a lovely, tall chestnut of exquisite quality marked by a white blaze and one rear-white stocking.  Bred in Queensland by E.E.D. White and partly owned by the leading Brisbane trainer George Anderson, she was being raced in Sydney by Anderson along with other members of his team, because all but the sand track at Albion Park had been closed in Brisbane due to the war.  Tea Rose was already the winner of a juvenile stakes race at Rosehill and had been runner-up to Shannon twice in minor races at Randwick prior to the Sires’.  Ted McMenamin, her jockey, was convinced that but for the severe interference suffered in a melee in the straight, she would have beaten Shannon.  A deep, incisive wound on Tea Rose’s near hind leg, just above the pastern, bore testimony to McMenamin’s tale of woe; it bled profusely in the unsaddling paddock, and immediate veterinary attention was required.  Promise is a quality often attributed to young racehorses on the slightest of pretexts, but there was no question here. This was a young lady in a hurry!

The Sires’ race marked the end of Shannon’s first season on the Turf, with Peter Riddle choosing to rely instead on the speedy Bravo for the Champagne Stakes, run a week later.  Anderson, however, persevered with Tea Rose for the same race, although due to the injury, he was unable to gallop the filly on the track during the interim.  In the circumstances, she only failed by a half-neck to catch the flying Scaur Fel, winner of the Gimcrack Stakes who carried her seven-pound penalty with distinction on rain-softened ground.  Bravo, the short-priced favourite disappointed the Riddle brothers by finishing out of a place for the first time in his career, unable to handle the going.  Unlike Shannon, the colt looked to be just a precocious youngster. Tea Rose, on the other hand, was beginning to shape as the genuine staying article; like Shannon, she was now turned out into the paddocks for a few weeks before being brought back into work to begin her Derby preparation.

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Given the almost certain absence of interstate challengers for the Derby crown, discussions on the race during the early weeks of winter focused almost exclusively on the colt and the filly that had fought out the Sires’ Produce Stakes.  Tea Rose emphasised her Derby credentials when she resumed from a three-month spell to hump 9 st. 10lb to victory in a nursery handicap at Moorefield on the last day of the season with Harry Darke returning to the saddle.  It was this run that saw her preferred to Shannon in the betting for the Hobartville Stakes five weeks later.  A week before the Hobartville, Shannon blotted his copybook by finishing unplaced in his seasonal re-appearance against older horses in a flying handicap at Randwick.  The Hobartville Stakes in 1944 was on a card conducted for the benefit of the Australian Red Cross as part of the AJC’s war effort. And what a difference a week makes! Shannon was untroubled to win the semi-classic, while Tea Rose finished out of a place.  The race marked the first occasion that Darby Munro rode the colt in what was to become a famous – if controversial – partnership of the Turf.  Previously Fred Shean had been Shannon’s rider, but the jockey’s disqualification in 1944 over the infamous Cameron Handicap at Newcastle effectively cost him the mount on a legend.

Whereas Shannon was then put aside for the Rosehill Guineas, George Anderson – nonplussed by the rangy filly’s failure – decided to pit her against Flight and company the next Saturday in the Canterbury Stakes; and was duly rewarded with an upset victory at the juicy odds of 33/1!  Not everyone was convinced of her imminent greatness for Tea Rose was allowed to start at double figures in the Rosehill Guineas for which Shannon ran as an even-money favourite a fortnight later.  Alas, for those souls who snapped up the short price, Shannon was kicked in the abdomen at the barrier but still allowed to start by the club’s veterinary surgeon.  The colt suffered similar wretched luck in running when he was involved in a scrimmage and twisted a plate, finishing out of a place, with Tea Rose winning in imperious fashion.

It was quite obvious now just which horse would go to the post as Derby favourite, and the price firmed even more when the daughter of Mr Standfast easily won the weight-for-age Craven Plate, defeating Mayfowl, Katanga and Flight, on the opening day of the spring meeting before a huge crowd.  Despite the drastic reduction in the number of race meetings, the sport was booming in Australia as the 1944 AJC Spring Meeting unfolded.  New attendance records were continually being set, with free entry for men and women in uniform; and tote revenue soared to unprecedented heights.  Much of the apparent prosperity was attributable to the cash freely circulating amongst war workers and the overseas allied servicemen stationed in Australia.

The 1944 AJC Derby field and race conditions appear in the table below:




The American humorist Mark Twain once wrote: “Faith is believing what you know ain’t so.”  This was the sort of faith Peter Riddle had in his champion bay colt when it came to staying the Derby course! He believed that if it was a slowly run affair, Shannon might just do the filly for speed at the end.  On the other hand, if there was pace, and stamina came into play, Shannon would probably be found wanting.  Nor had an inflamed heel that had developed in the days after the Rosehill Guineas assisted Shannon’s Derby prospects and the injury flared up again after the colt’s final trial gallop over ten furlongs with Bravo at Rosebery.  Viv Davis had been called in to treat the split in the near forefoot and Ray Stewart, the AJC veterinary surgeon, inspected Shannon before the horse was even allowed to take his place in the Derby field.

Unlike the autumn, Anderson now continued to repose the reins of Tea Rose in the hands of 24-year-old Harry Darke.  Although there were eleven acceptors, on paper it looked a two-horse race.  However, if there was to be an upset most fancied Removal, a brilliant winner of the Clibborn Stakes the previous week partnered by the sensational apprentice, Athol Mulley, and, together with Silver Link one of two entries in the race from the Bayley Payten stable.  Next in demand came Beau Monde and Accession, colts that had finished third and fourth in the Rosehill Guineas and were trained by Frank Dalton and Fred Cush respectively.  The well-bred Murray Stream was Frank McGrath’s stable representative, which he trained for the Mace family, pastoralists with extensive holdings just outside of Rockhampton, Queensland.  Murray Stream had won the Fernhill Handicap in the autumn, but McGrath believed that the Derby had come too soon for the immature colt.

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« 2018-Jul-10, 06:59 PM Reply #163 »
Tea Rose returning to scale after the Derby win


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« 2018-Jul-10, 07:00 PM Reply #164 »
Great pic of Shannon at Spendthrift Stud - from the site mentioned above




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« 2018-Jul-10, 07:53 PM Reply #165 »
It's back up now

http://kingsoftheturf.com/

PP, there's a large number of pics I've never seen and some great reading about the lesser lights as well as the champions.

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« 2018-Jul-12, 07:47 AM Reply #166 »
I’m only seeing the 1970 & 71 d3spite it saying the “70s”

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« 2018-Jul-12, 03:46 PM Reply #167 »
The author posts a year at a time, one every few days on average. At the moment, he appears to be filling the gaps in the late 1800s-early 1900s coverage.


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« 2018-Jul-12, 08:08 PM Reply #168 »
Marvelous site.  Bookmarked and returning often to enjoy many hours of reading complemented with some hard to find photos. 

Thanks for the heads up pwa.

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« 2018-Jul-12, 10:13 PM Reply #169 »
Everyone loves the story of Poseidon but he adds a lot of chapters to it!! Even the story of his sire Positano.

I found this particular fact interesting:

By now the twin evils of excessive racing and continuous gambling called forth the urgent need for special legislation and in October 1906 the Gaming and Betting Act was introduced into NSW.  For the first time, racecourses became licensed, and racing fixtures in the metropolitan area and Newcastle district restricted to Wednesdays, Saturdays and public holidays, except, of course, for Good Friday and Christmas Day.

So the current "loose" structure of Metro meetings on Wednesdays, Saturdays and Public Holidays dated all the way back to 1906 when the government thought there was too much gambling and racing, and restricted it to those days.

We've gone the full circle then   :lol:  


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« 2018-Jul-13, 03:30 AM Reply #170 »
The third horse in Poseidon's AJC Derby was the Victorian Antonius who was to be a frequent appearance in the horses being beaten by Poseidon including second in the Cup. He was a very good horse in his own right.

He is down as being ridden by H. Coffey. I know we have a contemporary jockey H. Coffey in Victoria and I seem to recall seeing a story on Coffey that mentioned something about there being a family history.

Was wondering if they are related?

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« 2018-Jul-17, 08:37 PM Reply #171 »
Am loving reading the stories on that site pwa put us on to. It is like reading a good novel. Entertaining writing style by Ian Ibbett.

I like the way every year throws up about 10 different stories, most not related to the winner.

1968 is mainly a story about the third horse, Always There and "The Babe" Felipe Ysmael with characters like Charlie Waymouth and Hilton Cope getting a mention.

I remember having Ferd Calvin as a patient once many years ago at the old Prince Henry Hospital in Sydney and Lloyd Foyster up in Armidale (both now deceased and both getting a mention around that time).

For anyone who loves their Australian racing history this site is well worth the visit.

http://kingsoftheturf.com/



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