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Offline pegasyber

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« 2017-Jun-26, 10:59 AM Reply #100 »
  I promised to wrack - off but must add a last post to this thread by me, because if either had read and understood the FORM they could not have overlooked  No 16 in Race 9  at Randwick.  Had they done so they could have had an almost profitable day.   Now one would have to agree that a Heavy ( 8 ) Track is at the best of times quite testing.
  But No 16 rating 100.6 was the best Weight Modified Speed horse by 2.4 lengths over horse  No 8 rating  98.2.

   No 16 was  a 4 year old and one should expect 3 and 4 year olds to surprise with improvement
   
   No 16  was the only horse to have run a race in the last 8 days  and was racing 200 metres less  than in its last race, which is most important on a heavy track.  It was also down in weight by 9 kgs.
 
   No 16 was a value bet if you could get 4.9/1  and plenty of > 36/1 was available.

     
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VF150417 RW92406F * RACE NAME ID* [ RW92406F  2017. BM 78 HANDICAP,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 1000 mtrs]. COMPRUN 06-25-2017. AT 18:56:39 RESULT  [    16  5  8  12   ~              ]

VF150417 RW92406F * WMSPD ORD TNO [    16      8      2      3      9     13     15      4     11     14      1      5     12      6     ]  * ] BMVRS/W [  16 SALERNO W% 1  4yo <. Dtl= 8 ] 8 LION COUCHAN  6yo < . . Dtl= 25 ] ]*SPL*
VF150417 RW92406F * WMSPD RTG ORD [ 1006   982  960   951   946   946   945   931   918   917   914   911   910   854   ] IMPORTANT
VF150417 RW92406F * RQOD WMSPD RO [  4.9  6.3   10.3   13.2   15.1   15.1   15.5   24.4   40.9   42.1   45.9   50.6   52.3   292.3   ] IN WMSPD ORDER. $PRICE/1 CALCULATED RQD ODDS ON WT MODIFIED SPEED RATINGS *

VF150417 RW92406F * DTL RUN WMORD [   8   25   10   21   20   20   125   25   44   35   42   14   21   12   ] ORDER WMSPD. * SOLE LR7DS   [  16 SALERNO  4Yo. ] DBL CHK.
VF150417 RW92406F * DDIST L WMORD [  -200  0 -100 -200 -100 -100 -200  0  0 -100 -100 -200 -200 -100  ]  DIST CHANGE TO LAST RUN ORDER OF WMSPD. VARIANCES HN/-DDIST=[ 

VF150417 RW92406F * KEY SPEED NOS [   8  +!.  =*NK*.  2  +!.  +GW!. 3  ?kg. .]>1.  1   6  +!.  +GW!. +TJ!. 9   11  +!.  13   15  +!.  +GW!. +TJ!. 16  +!.  +GW!.] +!=LRWD ]. *HiWM>GW$C [ < 6 +TJ!.  +GW!.  +!.  4y <. < 12 +TJ!.  4y +4.5?k < ]. *N1/2W<<SP= 15  16  << 1  <<=BDUPL. *BP%P*= 1 <: ]. <<] S/WDual IS [ 8 ] * ]CKCNT. *T2X8HITC [ 2 HB10. > 8 HB10. > 1 NC11.  16 WF10. > 3 NC11.  6 RW10.  15 KG12. > ].  MVS/WT4[ 16 SALERNO W% 1  4yo <. Dtl= 8 ] 8 LION COUCHAN  6yo < . . Dtl= 25 ] ] MvrFSP[ 6 1 15 2 ] MvrPAC[ 1 11 13 *KEYIN SOLSUPA[      .* SOLE LR7DS   [  16 SALERNO  4Yo. ]
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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2017-Jun-26, 11:07 AM Reply #101 »


My fervent wish is for the 'pegger' to post his tips before the races are run -- ex post is impressive, ex ante is better.

Offline Bubbasmith

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« 2017-Jun-26, 11:13 AM Reply #102 »
They must be worth their weight in gold  :chin: How do I subscribe to the SMH ? :what:

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« 2017-Jun-26, 12:00 PM Reply #103 »


Lest we forget -- Monty did very well in Brisbane on Saturday

The only winner he missed was in the Tiara where his top 2 ran 2nd and 3rd.

His early quadrella comprising his 2nd 3rd 1st & 1st tips paid $900 -- and in the last four his 2 2nd tips wont two legs and his 3rd another -- before the 2-3 finish in the Tiara.

............................... that's good picken as Doc Watson might say.


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« 2017-Jun-26, 02:04 PM Reply #104 »
Peter

What about the clubs and pubs which have these newspaper selections posted up alongside the fields?


 

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« 2017-Jun-26, 02:38 PM Reply #105 »
The TAB actually pays the press to run its fields. So there is probably an argument that the TAB owns them anyway. There is no copyright argument anyway. When the press runs its own facebook page its hard to argue copyright.

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« 2017-Jun-26, 02:42 PM Reply #106 »
Oh dear, you have lost the plot, Peter   :lol:

As the gun just said. I wonder if Monty pays the tab for using their product for his financial gain :chin:

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« 2017-Jun-26, 02:54 PM Reply #107 »

Fair point JWH........but

I have never seen Monty's tips so displayed -- and if they were routinely someone might have said so.

Even so that is different to a SMH subscriber copying them from the online smh site and posting them on the forum.

The forum has never been big on reprinting 'tips' from Racenet, punters.com et al -- it has been mainly about members giving personal opinions. [That said I would encourage the posting of tips from the pegger -- he has a system that works and 'in advance please' would be good.]

Perhaps it is worth checking with the Fairfax people.

I suspect pubs and clubs get some assistance from TABCORP to have Terrorgraph form guides available and on the tables -- but I have never seen a SMHerald  -- even on Sundays pubs and clubs get only the Tele.

These days one is lucky to get even the TAB sheets with SKY Form and monopolizing the TAB-terminal form may not be encouraged.

Some pubs and clubs pay to distribute Bet Busters and some show one or more subscription tipping services during the  meetings but they pay to get the feed.

I am not sure I want too many getting a leg up from Monty anyway.


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« 2017-Jun-26, 04:29 PM Reply #108 »


The forum has never been big on reprinting 'tips' from Racenet, punters.com et al -- it has been mainly about members giving personal opinions. [That said I would encourage the posting of tips from the pegger -- he has a system that works and 'in advance please' would be good.]

Perhaps it is worth checking with the Fairfax people.


*Cough* What a load of rot.

If it's about personal opinions then why do you continue to waffle on about this blokes tips? Now when you are called out and to use them in comparision you run and hide.

Talk about flip flopping around.  :wacko:

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2017-Jun-26, 10:47 PM Reply #109 »


You are better than that G -- unless you are a urger

The original question was about rapacious race outcomes -- especially races run by RVL -- and the proof of that included why respected tipsters were consistently 'not getting even close' in some states when they were performing well in other states.

Practically, this is about RVL v. RNSW on Saturdays and RVL shows up as a disgrace.

A new board at RVL may fix it up.

Monty only entered the debate on the basis that he was reliably good -- most able to include the winner in 5 tips -- but why was he not able in Melbourne, bar February and September and a bit either side of both.

July and August will tell the story -- unreliable tracks, low grade horses, inflated fields, smokeys encouraged -- all point to rough results for most punters (and windfalls for the professional syndicates).

................ sit back and enjoy the show ........ win by not betting!

 

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« 2017-Jun-27, 01:05 PM Reply #110 »
Peter, if I or a friend every run for politics we will hire you as the campaign manager. You are very good at dodging the question at hand and twisting comments made on this forum.

I'm sure I could ask you about the weather and by the end of your response I would have a recipe for a pasta dish.

Now, here is an exercise that would make or break your claims about the "great one".

Punting is no different to investing on the stock market or on any other form of financial investments.

PROFIT vs LOSS

Peter, the cold hard fact that will for once and all answer the question to Monty's greatness is what is his profit vs loss over a 12 month period?

Yes, he may well have the odd year where he returns a profit on investment but over the long run like all tipsters he will end up a long way in the red.

Peter, also any intelligent person will know that tipping 5 in every race is a joke. You keep pushing Monty's Quaddies.

Again, I repeat 5x5x5x5 = $625 for a single unit.

Peter, overall this blog has most of us bored and I would love to see you continue your support of Monty but stop pushing it down our throats everyday.

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« 2017-Jun-27, 05:30 PM Reply #111 »

 
...........est mort

Slowly bring a large pot of salted water to a rolling boil before putting in the pasta of your choice....and so on

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« 2017-Jun-27, 05:38 PM Reply #112 »


........back to the chase

On the question of posting on the forum copies of stuff that is published elsewhere -- it is, of course, relevant to note that no one posts here copies of what Best Bets tips, what is tipped in Sportsman et al.

I doubt the managing monitors/moderators would be suggesting that be done -- ever!

.....that is probably the best parallel to draw with the idea that Monty's tips are fair game for copying to here.

[........ as for Monty's 5 ---choose carefully ---  pick 3 -- but do not exclude the two that I do]


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« 2017-Jun-27, 08:27 PM Reply #113 »
On the question of posting on the forum copies of stuff that is published elsewhere -- it is, of course, relevant to note that no one posts here copies of what Best Bets tips, what is tipped in Sportsman et al.

I doubt the managing monitors/moderators would be suggesting that be done -- ever!


Well blow me down.

I've never thought of selections of these people being something to be valued.

Sometimes the rationales are handy.

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-27, 08:47 PM Reply #114 »
Spot on JWH

Peter, you keep banging on about the success of Monty's 45 tips a meeting.
That's the only reason he's mentioned here and now you're getting precious because of the scrutiny you've brought on your self and your ramblings


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« 2017-Jun-27, 09:17 PM Reply #115 »
Gee Wily what I find startling is that NASA haven't contacted Monty to help with their aeronautical studies. Really someone who can narrow Sydney racing selections down to just five hopes he is really wasting his time with the SMH. Half the time that is at least 50 % of the runners. What a genius. It is just a wonder to me that Monty wasn't chosen to play the lead in "A Beautiful Mind" rather than Russell Crowe with his intricate knowledge of mathematics.

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« 2017-Jun-27, 09:18 PM Reply #116 »
Lol

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« 2017-Jun-27, 09:22 PM Reply #117 »
Whether or not the tips in the print media are expected to be useful,

................ the issue here is about someone copying them onto the forum in disregard of the copyright.

Do not do it.

After the 'brand' was sold, BB is not a shadow of its self under Steve Moran -- but one would be wary of dismissing the Sportsman (once the Joe Friday selection for the best 'facts only' newspaper in Australia)

Back to Monty

........... only one of his 5 tips can win (and he often misses 1 in 9 times, at least)

The relevant question is whether Monty refines the chances -- he does -- and whether his 'ordering' is on the money -- and it often is, remarkably.

Monty is not a registered foreseer -- he gives an opinion -- an opinion better than most

All that aside -- the wily one now has his chance to show how what he says, on Friday, beats Monty's tips.

[ ...... and as a late entry, the 'deano' may want to play a hand as well -- on Fridays]


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« 2017-Jun-27, 09:24 PM Reply #118 »

........back to the chase

[........ as for Monty's 5 ---choose carefully ---  pick 3 -- but do not exclude the two that I do]

whoa , careful pete ya might start picking your own soon
  :lol:

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« 2017-Jun-27, 09:28 PM Reply #119 »
I was away and out of range this weekend.

I am thinking that rat-sacked has been -- none out of 9.

......... to get Montys tips, wily-od may need to phone a friend who buys the SMH on Saturdays

some people are so harsh
wonder why people dont want to help you

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« 2017-Jun-27, 09:41 PM Reply #120 »


I do not need help to make selections -- I need the Sunday paper.

I do try to sensibly make my own selections but, even after distilling the wisdom of proven prophets, I get it wrong.

Best  advice -- take Monty's top 3 in quadrellas (bar MN) -- not infallible but proven good.

Even this cannot be a formula to win in a stacked game where the house takes 20% +.



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« 2017-Jun-27, 09:47 PM Reply #121 »
Peter,

I noticed a Shayne Montgomery had his tips on the Ubet site today for the Moruya races.

Any relation to your Shane Montgomery or have we been spelling Shane wrong all the time?

If it's the one and same he has started moonlighting.

In regards to Copyright I spoke to a Solicitor friend of mine and he has a very interesting finding.

Here is part of the Copyright Act of 1968 that is still current today.

Fair dealing Copyright Act 1968 (Current)

There are a range of exceptions that enable the exercise of certain copyright rights without constituting copyright infringement. They may be raised in answer to a claim of infringement. The most important of these exceptions permits 'fair dealing' for certain specified purposes. A fair dealing with a copyright work, sound recording, film or broadcast will not amount to an infringement of copyright if done for the following purposes:

research or study
criticism or review
reporting of news
giving of professional advice by a lawyer or a patent or trade marks attorney, 
or
parody and satire.

My solicitor friend stated that the forum is covered under the "Criticism or Review" clause due to the discussion topic stated on the forum.

Peter, over to you for Chapter 17 of your Copyright Saga.

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« 2017-Jun-27, 09:56 PM Reply #122 »
Unfortunately the Shayne on Ubet missed out on both the quaddie ( 4x4x4x4) and the treble ( 4x4x4 ) at Moryua, that's $256 & $64 down the drain. He only selected 4 horses in each of those multiple legs.Although with due credit, he did select a trifecta that paid $836 on UTAB, in you invested on $24 on each race.
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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2017-Jun-28, 06:21 AM Reply #123 »

Sitting here ready to board a plane . I pray Peters crap isnt the last thing I read  :lol:

Mort
Thanks for  tgat evaluation that proves Peter was simply deflecting  from the facts

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« 2017-Jun-28, 10:01 AM Reply #124 »
I have no lawyer friends . . try to keep myself in good company . .

But I am sure that if I posted something like: "Monty tipped 3-2-4 in S1" . . as long as it was factual . . no copyright or any other law would have been breached



This thread is starting to remind me of ancient history . . DD's personal vendetta against Phil Purser  emthdown
« Last Edit: 2017-Jun-28, 10:03 AM by arthur »


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