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Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2009-Apr-01, 06:30 PM
HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'

Monty's tips for the Randwick meeting, in the Sydney Morning Herald this morning, went close (3 of 4) in every event on a troubled day  -- the total first 4 dividends over the seven events was some $4,500.

..............it was some consolation that coupling his top two surviving picks in the quadrella returned some $800.

 Well done Monty!
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2017-May-23, 05:12 PM
Well done Monty!
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-May-23, 07:23 PM
If I am not wrong did Monty have that success back In April 2009.
A bit of water has flowed under the bridge since 2009  how did he go in April 2010 or March 2014 ?
Back then Buddy Franklin played for Hawthorn and Kevin Rudd had his first, unsuccessful,  go at being Prime Minister. :whistle:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: arthur on 2017-May-23, 08:50 PM
You're a hard marker Bubba . .

I'll bet you don't even get excited when Halley's Comet comes around

 :bounce:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-May-23, 09:02 PM
Arthur, from what I recall of Halley's Comet, the anticipation of its arrival,  was a bit like foreplay, it was better than the main event. :beer:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: arthur on 2017-May-23, 09:15 PM
You've got a better memory than I have . .

Of both events  :whistle:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-May-24, 08:47 AM

Monty remains 'tops'

Monty -- and his Top5 -- continues to be the best tipster published free of charge in the print media and on the internet.

Week in week out Monty is often the only one to rank highly a runner at good odds --  one-offs that are uncannily successful.

For example -- last Saturday, for race 9 in Sydney -- Monty had the winner and favourite 'Dagny' on top -- his second and third tips ran 3rd and 4th at 12/1 and 14/1 respectively.

He missed 2nd -- @18/1 -- but the F4 paid $9,000.

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-May-24, 01:15 PM
  was a bit like foreplay, it was better than the main event. :beer:

Probably says more about the participants than the event per se.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-May-26, 12:11 PM
Peter
Can you do us all a favour and post Monty's tips for the weekend here please :thumbsup:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-May-27, 08:11 AM
Bringing to the top for Pete
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Barry on 2017-May-27, 12:37 PM
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Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-May-27, 04:09 PM
We all knew Pete wouldn't put his head up   :lol:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-May-27, 05:44 PM

Copyright - it would not be right to copy and publish Monty's tips

Monty covered Sydney and Brisbane -- did Ok but not great --  his best were Clearly Innocent on top @3.5 /paid 10 and Eckstein second pick @ 4.75 / paid 12 -- the RD paid 135.

The best tipping performance today was punters.com.au for Melbourne and Adelaide -- the 4 selections included the quadrella and B6 in MN and the quadrella in Adelaide which paid 3,300.

The 'favourites won' results for MN were consistent with the form.

These tips are freely available on-line https://puntcdn.s3.amazonaws.com/form-guides/20170527_expert-tips.pdf

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2017-May-27, 06:16 PM
Copyright - it would not be right to copy and publish Monty's tips

Why is it "not right" copying and publishing Morty's tips when you seem to have no problem in linking/publishing/re-producing Isaac Ling's, James Lamb's, David Hocking's and Nick Hluchaniuk's tips?
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-May-27, 06:29 PM
Those races have been run.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-May-27, 06:38 PM


The punters.com.au tops are available on line from Thursday night -- Monty's tips are published in the SMH.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-May-28, 04:55 PM
So of the 45 darts that monty threw at the Melbourne  meeting what did he come up with
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jun-04, 11:56 AM
Needs to go on record that Monty's first selection on the 4 legs of Doomben Quaddie won yesterday.

I know PM has just returned from Europe but another trip could be on the cards, all compliments of Monty.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2017-Jun-04, 12:46 PM
Fav - 2nd Fav - Fav - Fav by my reckoning.

Pretty sure the addicted one has stated that Morty tips five in each race, so the Quaddie "win" would've returned roughly 20c on each dollar spent.



On the bright side, Morty's picks were successful so the integrity of the races/racing is confirmed.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Spudda028 on 2017-Jun-04, 01:06 PM
5 selections per leg for a $159 quaddie  - that'll go a long way in Europe


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Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jun-04, 01:17 PM
5 selections per leg for a $159 quaddie  - that'll go a long way in Europe


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Not sure that PM has ever disclosed his betting strategy.

He could have taken a $20.00 Quaddie on Monty's first selections.
That's at least a one way ticket.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Spudda028 on 2017-Jun-04, 01:20 PM
He's addicted to backing his selections it would kill him to leave any of the 5 out in any leg


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Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-05, 08:09 PM


Saturday was a good day -- not only Monty but also weekend tips at 'punters.com.au' .
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-08, 08:01 PM


On Friday , check the 4State tips...https://www.punters.com.au/news/

...................... on Saturday see how they ran.............Brisbane best prospect this week.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jun-08, 09:31 PM
well Pete I'm game , no guarantee's here mate

Brisbane
R1 #4
R2 #5
R3 #6
R4 #7
R5 #13
R6  #11* (My mates tip)
R7 #3
R8 #15
R9 #12
now how you use these , is your prob

hopefully i will have a win or two      emthup
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jun-08, 09:34 PM
staking 
 
 :clap2:   :bye:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: dean on 2017-Jun-08, 10:11 PM
Could you elaborate on what you meant by this post. Thanks
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-09, 07:54 AM
well Pete I'm game , no guarantee's here mate


hopefully i will have a win or two      emthup

Everytime he's gone head to head with anyone or been challenged, he has failed. Rats, you're bound to find plenty there on Petes past history  :lol:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jun-09, 09:00 PM
well Pete I'm game , no guarantee's here mate

Brisbane
R1 #4
R2 #5
R3 #6
R4 #7
R5 #13
R6  #11* (My mates tip)
R7 #3
R8 #15
R9 #12
now how you use these , is your prob

hopefully i will have a win or two       emthup

Dean
it was a follow on post from this one       :shrug:

thought i could help Mr Mair   
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: dean on 2017-Jun-09, 09:33 PM
Sorry, unless you are the famous Dr Hackenbush reincarnated I think assistance to Mr Mair is beyond the scope of any rational human being.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jun-09, 10:15 PM
Sorry, unless you are the famous Dr Hackenbush reincarnated I think assistance to Mr Mair is beyond the scope of any rational human being.

rational        :lol:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-10, 08:29 AM
I dont buy papers and Peter wont put montys 527 selections on here as he's too scared.
Can anyone post his tips
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-12, 10:42 PM

I was away and out of range this weekend.

I am thinking that rat-sacked has been -- none out of 9.

......... to get Montys tips, wily-od may need to phone a friend who buys the SMH on Saturdays
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-13, 08:04 AM
Far better to do your own peter if your putting you're own money on :bulb:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-14, 06:47 PM


................au contraire mon wily one

Monty cleaned up at Canterbury today -- 2 F4s totalling 750 (+ trifectas) and, for a total of  1250, both quadrellas with 1/1, 3/2, 2/3 and 1/5, for an average of his 2.5th selection.

Stupido, Monty's promoter, who picked his own,  managed to lose comprehensively while having 6 of the 7 but missing the critical 4th leg / 1st leg winners.

Keep your faith wily -- do not follow Monty's tips -- lest my dividends be lowered.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-14, 07:46 PM
Notice you haven't posted his results from last week end
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jun-14, 07:52 PM
Notice you haven't posted his results from last week end

he posted mine     :lol:

bad week   :shy:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-17, 08:23 PM

Monty money

............ Monty had another blinder in Sydney today......... he included every winner in his, mainly 4, live tips........... he put 5 in a row on top in the middle and started and ended the day with his 2nd and 3rd selections winning.

In two races his tips won the F4, and in five other races had 3 of the F4 placings ....... i.e. in six races he had the trifecta.

These results say something about Monty .......... they also say something about the shambles that is Racing Victoria where again today it was a wipe-out for most punters.

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-18, 10:01 AM
So let's put some honesty in peters post.

Monty in most races picked, on average, half the field in his selections.
5 selections  in fields of 7,8,9 & 10
Then he couldn't even snare the F4 but thanks Peter, he got a tri :clap2:

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-18, 10:07 AM
By the way Peter. I also noted 5 selections of my own in every race at Rosehill yesterday and race 5 was the only race where my selections didn't return a f4 divvy

It's not hard but not feasible for average punters to back all 45 selections across a 9 race program  :bulb:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-18, 10:22 AM
And further to that Peter. You may not be aware that it costs $120 to box 5 in a trifecta

Some of the Trifecta Dividends from Rosehill were
$106
$57
$101
$75
$160
$160
$109

  :lol:

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-18, 07:22 PM


'wily'................... with the ability you have, it may be helpful if you would share your selections with forum readers on Saturday mornings.

If you can match, or do better than, Monty I would be the first to put a case for your recruitment as a paid media tipster.

The competition for a slot in the media as a tipster is keen but it will be worth a shot once your credentials are established on the forum.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-18, 08:25 PM
There's no credibility in having 45 picks a meeting. That's the point in regards to your hero :bulb:

You hold his nonsense up as a way of running the industry down. No sane person is interested in his thoughts
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-19, 02:01 PM


.......... the '45 tips' are not presented as a set of random numbers..........rather they are ranked in terms of expected finishing order ...........and, as known, the horses more highly ranked do better than those ranked lower ------------ and there are indicative odds to suggest relative chances.

Between the lines I guess we will not be getting any tips from the wily one on Saturday mornings.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-19, 02:05 PM
You post montys and I'll happily post mine.
The relevance to the rest of the forum members is lost on me but the balls I your court
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jun-19, 03:55 PM
You post montys and I'll happily post mine.
The relevance to the rest of the forum members is lost on me but the balls I your court
Wily, I must say whoever does Monty's rating is a pretty fair assessor.
Considering they would have to meet a deadline and they would sometimes be done on an often unknown racing surface.

Not sure how much time you have on your hands but I would say you are on a hiding to nothing.
I tried ratings years ago and many times I just found the top few in the market.
Lot of work and the fun seemed to disappear.

Good luck if you try it.
 
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-19, 04:52 PM
Get your point mate but I was thinking I would be like Peter. Don't do much work and hope for the best  :lol:
45 darts a meeting, everyone can jag something
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jun-19, 07:01 PM
The question should be how best to use those 5 selections?  :chin:

Peter obviously likes Monty & believes in him, his job should be to show how to turn a profit from them  :bulb:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-19, 09:46 PM

Monty does his own tipping

Neither I nor, I suspect,  Monty go to the races these days -- going is a disadvantage.

Monty is a very real person -- not sure that he ever has a bet -- but he knows what he is doing and he puts in the time to do it well.

He does it well -- very. very well.

I stopped running my own super fund many years ago -- as with tipsters like Monty, among others,  professional stock analysts do what I cannot.

My problem is doing the form myself and backing my judgment -- to my disappointment.

What Monty and others cannot do is anticipate when a horse will be smoked in -- ready to win. These surprise winners win alright but all the clues are buried in some long past form, unless you are in on the joke you will not know.

What punters do know is that it is very possible for connections  to get one ready to win, on its merits.

Sometimes that 'gen' is shared with a journalist -- confident that it  will be ignored as a 'tip'.

That's why 'Saturday class' -- known form --  is preferred and rural and regional racing shunned.

As for turning a profit from Monty, choose wisely -- but do not ignore his top three getting a run.

[I have not seen or talked to Monty for more than 10 years -- but he is the real deal]


[PS -- Monty posts his tips under copyright -- wily ones buy the paper -- wily could post his tips but wont]
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-20, 08:02 AM
You miss the point yet again  Peter.
Nobody is interested in my tips or Montys :bulb: Geez, if the bloke doesn't even bet, it makes him less relevant

Happy to have a little side bet with you each week if you wish. You post "your" top 5 and I'll do mine
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-20, 09:11 AM


Once Monty's tips are published, the indelible public record of them is available for later comparison.

What is not available on Saturday morning -- on the record -- are wily's tips............ can we have them?

As a self declared dunce at the tipping caper, no one would want to be misled by my tips.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Jun-20, 10:11 AM
Just self declared dunce would have done.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-20, 01:38 PM
My tips are available Peter, just got to give me yours. Always up for race horse form discussions.

The alternative is to pay me for my thoughts as Monty gets paid for his :thumbsup:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-21, 10:07 AM


.......... just play with yourself wily
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jun-21, 01:24 PM

.......... just play with yourself wily

Guys this is really getting boring.

Peter, I have seen 100's of tipsters come and go and guess what very few finish in front over the long term. Now I must agree that Monty has had some "moments in the sun" but he also has many runs of outs.

If it was possible to look at a 12 month period of profit and loss regarding Monty's tips I highly doubt he would show a profit.

You keep pushing Monty's top 5 in quaddies etc.

5x5x5x5 = $625 for a single unit. I ask how many quaddies has Monty got over the last 52 Saturdays and what is the total return?

$625 x 52 = $32,500 worth of investments for what return?

Here is an idea that I'm sure Wily will accept.

How about over the next 4 Saturdays you post Monty's top 3 not 5 and Wily also posts his top 3 for Sydney only on a Saturday and we will see who comes out on top with the staking plan below.

1. Each top selection has a standard stake of $10 to win.
2. Each top 2 selections are boxed in a Quinella for $5.
3. The top 3 selections in each race are boxed in a Trifecta for $1 that equals a $6 spend.
4. The top 3 selections in the Quaddie legs are boxed. 3x3x3x3 = $81 for a single unit.

So over a 8 race program a total of $249 is invested each Saturday for 4 weeks.

Let's see who finishes in front.

By the way I will have $50 on Wily coming out as the winner.

Well Peter and Wily are you up for the challenge?

 :no1:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2017-Jun-21, 03:25 PM
Mair will duck and dive, run and hide, make shocking puns and horribly un-funny turns of phrase.

He will make any amount of excuses and slither off into the darkness.



This does not suit his agenda.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jun-21, 03:40 PM
Peter has tried to explain that Monty's tips can't be reproduced without permission.

There are simple copyright laws at play here.

They are in the herald every Saturday so if someone wants to compare go for it.
Not for me......but I'm probably quite interested.

 
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Jun-21, 04:27 PM
If any media tipster was that successful, he would be punting full time and not working as a racing journalist. One well known tipster was known as "columns", as every time he saw a person to whom he owed punting money, he would run and hide behind the nearest column he could find, yet mug punters religiously  followed his tips.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-21, 04:46 PM
Peter has tried to explain that Monty's tips can't be reproduced without permission.

There are simple copyright laws at play here.

They are in the herald every Saturday so if someone wants to compare go for it.
Not for me......but I'm probably quite interested.
Memisis.
That's just a smoke screen from Peter to deflect from the truth. re the copyright.
He's being disengenuos

I can easily post "my" selections. If  I choose to post "my" selections and they happen to resemble Dean Lesters, or Duffys or Monty's so what. That is not a breach of copyright.

Anyways Peter and I have had head to head tips and he's lost to me every time. . Countless people on here have provided insight as to why certain horses have saluted at big prices but Peter chooses to ignore that whilst pushing his job application under race clubs noses.

I Agree with Mort, the same same crap from Peter is boring and I have no doubt those of us who constanly expose his falsehoods appear boring as well
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2017-Jun-21, 05:18 PM
Copyright? What tosh.

Half the content on here is newspaper articles, links to newspaper articles - all just cut and pasted. Some acknowledged, others not.

To bring copyright into this discussion is utter nonsense.




I can't believe I've used the phrases 'tosh' and 'utter nonsense'. You old blokes have some explaining to do.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-21, 05:25 PM
Tosh.....I've never heard it but it certainly appears applicable   :lol:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-21, 06:33 PM

..........Monty played another winning hand at Canterbury today

3 of the 7 'on top', 2 were 2nd selections, one was 5th and he missed in the first.

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-21, 06:42 PM


I would not even encourage anyone else to post Monty's tips -- and, if anyone tried, I am sure the Minders of the commercial integrity of the forum would disallow it.

Conversely, the wily-one could post his tips on Saturday mornings..... and the post mortem would be held that night.

This is the only credible proposal as far as wily V. Monty is concerned -- it should be accepted.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-21, 07:10 PM
..........Monty played another winning hand at Canterbury today

3 of the 7 'on top', 2 were 2nd selections, one was 5th and he missed in the first.

5th....wow
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-21, 07:13 PM

I would not even encourage anyone else to post Monty's tips -- and, if anyone tried, I am sure the Minders of the commercial integrity of the forum would disallow it



Oh dear Peter, now your stooped to threatening the forum

You are a sad case

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2017-Jun-21, 07:13 PM
Enough with your copyright nonsense!

After this thread, the next seven threads under "All Topics" menu, that's 7/7 or 100%, all have content cut/pasted from newspaper articles. All of them.

TABCORP Tatts merger
QRIC
Baylee Northdurft
The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Potential Internationals
2017 Royal Ascot
Think I Saw A Potential Star - Barney Boy


Slither away now.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2017-Jun-21, 07:32 PM
So it's not a copyright issue when you cut/paste and re-produce others' work when you're peddling your various agenda -

Daily Telegraph, author uncredited:
http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/racing-talk/taxing-breeders-a-glimmer-of-commonsense/msg86643/#msg86643

The Australian (a) Patrick Smith, and The Australian (b) author uncredited:
http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/racing-talk/racingnsw-takeover-target/msg102378/#msg102378

Cyberhorse, Bill Saunders:
http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/racing-talk/a-portent-of-a-better-new-year/msg17459/#msg17459


But now it's suddenly a copyright issue when it doesn't suit you?



Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jun-21, 07:38 PM
Some years ago when racing commanded more newspaper space, at the end of Monty's top 5 it went something like this.

"Monty's top 5 is written exclusively for the Sydney Morning Herald by Shane Montgomery and cannot be reprinted in any form".

Why would you ignore that?
 
 
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-21, 08:05 PM
As i said nemesis. Thats just a deflection
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Jun-21, 09:10 PM
Mortdale as usual is on the money , this thread is tiresome and boring. Mair is a complete clown. He just likes to provoke a response. Much like the class clown at School. Just ignore his postings as those who run the show have been doing for years. Just respond with an emoji.  If he doesn't keep getting responses the silly old bugger will find others to annoy.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-21, 10:40 PM


Nemesis is on the money

I know the wily one needs a support group but he also needs some guidance.

Because Monty's tips are published in the SMherald -- they are 'copyright' until after the races have been run.

Once the races have been run it is presumably Ok to reprint them openly.

The situation with the wily one is different -- he publishes on this forum and it would only make sense if his tips were published here before the races were run.

Alternatively, I would be happy to nominate an independent contact point so wily could also have the benefit of filing his tips with  'non disclosure' until after the races were run -- and that compromise might meet the test of fair play and save others taking the prices for wily's tips.

Wily is the one pitting himself against an established benchmark -- if he were to win consistently, the prospects for wily might be lucrative. I would get him a paying gig.

......................it is up to wily -- he can play open grade or continue to play on his own.

All I have said is 'Monty is good' -- wily says he is better ------let us see, or not,  in a fair contest ... but don't duck it .

[I have also said that the tippers on punters.com.au are also good, Bet busters is also good ........and I am happy to be alerted to other tippers with proven form.]


Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-Jun-22, 07:30 AM
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Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-22, 07:54 AM
Greater minds than mine can handle that Peg  :lol:

I opened it but I could only do it as a word document
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-Jun-22, 08:11 AM
  .......
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-22, 08:00 PM


When the forum is waiting for tips from the wily one, the last thing we need is a diversionary tangent from the pegger.

We were about to get an outcome where wily would  put up or shut up ......on fair terms of his choosing ........ and we do not want to lose the moment.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-Jun-22, 08:11 PM
  That is fair enough I will get out of your way. Cheers.
 
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: dean on 2017-Jun-22, 08:15 PM
Wily, Please do not encourage this bloke. Someone may end up taking him seriously.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-23, 08:24 AM
Oh I won't be Dean  :lol:

It's not for me to put up or shut up Peter. The balls in your court

Ive said all along, it's not about me, it's about your incessant banging on about a bloke who has 45 tips in a meeting as some sort of yardstick as to punting success :bulb:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Spudda028 on 2017-Jun-23, 09:07 AM
Speaking of guidance, can somebody bring Peter in 2017 and assist with his interpretation of copyright law.

"Because Monty's tips are published in the SMherald -- they are 'copyright' until after the races have been run.

Once the races have been run it is presumably Ok to reprint them openly."

I started to but nope couldn't be bothered........
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-23, 04:52 PM
It's just a deflection from Peter anyhow, Spudda.
there is nothing stopping Pete from having 5 picks in every race and posting them here and if god forbid, they resemble some of what poor monty does, so what :bulb:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-23, 06:35 PM
......tomorrow will tell the tale........follow monty..........stay well clear of Melbourne...... it will be brutal.

Sent from my SM-T550 using Racehorse Talk mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=90061)

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Jun-23, 07:05 PM
He must be on day release again.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Jun-23, 09:06 PM
Surely Peter can post Monty's tips after the meeting, thus avoiding a "copyright" excuse. He could scan the SMH , copy then paste.that's not too hard.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Barry on 2017-Jun-24, 05:41 AM
(https://s22.postimg.org/o493dtssd/monty-20170624.png) (https://postimg.org/image/o493dtssd/)
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-24, 09:36 AM
Put a monkey in front of a type writer and he'll punch out a word  :lol:

R1; 5,4,6,9,1
R2; 4,3,7,2,8
R3; 1,5,2,4,6
R4; 4,2,5,6,9
R5; 4,2,1,5,7
R6; 7,5,1,2,6,
R7; 9,3,5,7,4
R8; 4,2,7,10,14
R9; 15,6,2,3,11
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: arthur on 2017-Jun-24, 10:28 AM
Are Monty's tips in any particular order ie is #1 the top selection?

Without checking (I don't bet in SYD)  . . They seem to be the top 5 in market order
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jun-24, 11:14 AM
My understanding Authur is that it is about value.

They are in order but Monty has just set his market.

How you want to bet, would be up to you.
   

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jun-24, 03:41 PM

We were about to get an outcome where wily would  put up or shut up ......


  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

The amount of times you have been asked to put up or shut up on this forum is mind blowing in fact I can't remember you ever actually answering a question put to you  :chin:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-24, 06:09 PM
90 darts between us and monty found 6 winners and me 5  :lol:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jun-25, 02:09 PM
Is this a 12 round title fight?

Round 1 to Monty.  :biggrin:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-25, 02:45 PM
Given the poor results of both contestants yesterday I suspect this will not go the distance.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-25, 09:20 PM

Now is not the best time of the year for a tipping contest -- too many low-grade, rough races on affected going.

Monty's chances were impeded by scratchings --10 of his 'nominal 45' while the wily one had none.

For a fair go -- wily would need to post on Friday night (given that Monty posts his copy either Thursday or early Friday to be available to subscribers from just a bit after midnight -- and before scratchings on Saturday morning  )

Assessors would also need to weigh the ability of Monty to pull stuff out of the hat -- Sound Proposition and Lion Couchant being good examples on Saturday.

The issue on the table here is about whether full-time professional tipsters are usually more useful than the time-pressed assessments of most punters with limited ability and no systemic records.

I have not spoken to Monty for more than 10 years -- my memory is of someone insightfully dedicated to the task and his consistently sound performance is too good to ignore.

.................. he is, of course,  not writing the Sunday paper on Thursday night but, in a fair contest with any published competitor I would back Monty to win.



 
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jun-25, 09:56 PM
......tomorrow will tell the tale........follow monty..........stay well clear of Melbourne...... it will be brutal.

Sent from my SM-T550 using Racehorse Talk mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=90061)
Flemington was hardly brutal on Saturday Peter.

Overnight showers provided a nice racing surface and track seemed fair.
 

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-26, 08:07 AM

For a fair go -- wily would need to post on Friday night (given that Monty posts his copy either Thursday or early Friday to be available to subscribers from just a bit after midnight -- and before scratchings on Saturday morning  )


I agree with that from both sides. I banged my stuff together in 5 minutes with no study given I had no idea as to what race meeting monty's tips were coming from

As an aside, I didn't have one bet in Sydney
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-26, 08:32 AM


I am not sure if the above post of Montys tips -- at 5.40 am on Saturday - was readable by anyone but I would like the forum monitors to respect their reasonable obligation to defer the posting til after the last race has been run.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Jun-26, 09:23 AM
Of course they were readable, if anyone was remotely interested. Aren't they published in a Fairfax paper ? Certainly a long bow to request ethical consideration of this mob after the shabby way they have dealt with their employees in recent times.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-26, 10:15 AM

Pretending to be the responsible adult in residence with family, meant I did not get to enjoy the racing on Saturday.

The outcomes at Flemington were better than  I expected but neither 'bet busters' (7 tips in each) not 'punters.com' did well -- and a 50,000 F4 in the last [1.38.6 for 1600m on a good track] suggested what might have been in other races with close finishes. Monty did not tip in Melbourne.

As for publishing Monty's tips -- breaking the law is not entitled by the otherwise demise of print media. More importantly while subscribers can get them in a readable form -- but not publish them early -- I suspect their posting on this forum was not readable, certainly not by me and apparently not by wily.

...... the general point ...........respect professional tipsters ...stands ............ but wait for September.



Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Jun-26, 10:29 AM
Just double click on "Barry's " post.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-26, 10:46 AM


.......thanks gunner

I would like to think that posting Monty's tips here, before the races are run,  will not happen again.

Not only is it probably illegal, and unfair anyway, but the contest with wily will be spoiled if he can see the benchmark to beat.

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-26, 10:54 AM


A reasonable request has been put



On Saturday morning -- about 5.30 am -- the reasonable copyright of the Sydney Morning Herald was breached when a copy of 'Monty's Top 5' tips for the Randwick races was published on the forum.

Publishing these 'tips' is presumably acceptable on Saturday evening, after the races are run, but surely not on Saturday morning , before the races are run.

Can the forum monitors ensure this does not happen in future, please?


Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-Jun-26, 10:59 AM
  I promised to wrack - off but must add a last post to this thread by me, because if either had read and understood the FORM they could not have overlooked  No 16 in Race 9  at Randwick.  Had they done so they could have had an almost profitable day.   Now one would have to agree that a Heavy ( 8 ) Track is at the best of times quite testing.
  But No 16 rating 100.6 was the best Weight Modified Speed horse by 2.4 lengths over horse  No 8 rating  98.2.

   No 16 was  a 4 year old and one should expect 3 and 4 year olds to surprise with improvement
   
   No 16  was the only horse to have run a race in the last 8 days  and was racing 200 metres less  than in its last race, which is most important on a heavy track.  It was also down in weight by 9 kgs.
 
   No 16 was a value bet if you could get 4.9/1  and plenty of > 36/1 was available.

     
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Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-26, 11:07 AM


My fervent wish is for the 'pegger' to post his tips before the races are run -- ex post is impressive, ex ante is better.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Jun-26, 11:13 AM
They must be worth their weight in gold  :chin: How do I subscribe to the SMH ? :what:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-26, 12:00 PM


Lest we forget -- Monty did very well in Brisbane on Saturday

The only winner he missed was in the Tiara where his top 2 ran 2nd and 3rd.

His early quadrella comprising his 2nd 3rd 1st & 1st tips paid $900 -- and in the last four his 2 2nd tips wont two legs and his 3rd another -- before the 2-3 finish in the Tiara.

............................... that's good picken as Doc Watson might say.

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jun-26, 02:04 PM
Peter

What about the clubs and pubs which have these newspaper selections posted up alongside the fields?


 
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Jun-26, 02:38 PM
The TAB actually pays the press to run its fields. So there is probably an argument that the TAB owns them anyway. There is no copyright argument anyway. When the press runs its own facebook page its hard to argue copyright.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-26, 02:42 PM
Oh dear, you have lost the plot, Peter   :lol:

As the gun just said. I wonder if Monty pays the tab for using their product for his financial gain :chin:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-26, 02:54 PM

Fair point JWH........but

I have never seen Monty's tips so displayed -- and if they were routinely someone might have said so.

Even so that is different to a SMH subscriber copying them from the online smh site and posting them on the forum.

The forum has never been big on reprinting 'tips' from Racenet, punters.com et al -- it has been mainly about members giving personal opinions. [That said I would encourage the posting of tips from the pegger -- he has a system that works and 'in advance please' would be good.]

Perhaps it is worth checking with the Fairfax people.

I suspect pubs and clubs get some assistance from TABCORP to have Terrorgraph form guides available and on the tables -- but I have never seen a SMHerald  -- even on Sundays pubs and clubs get only the Tele.

These days one is lucky to get even the TAB sheets with SKY Form and monopolizing the TAB-terminal form may not be encouraged.

Some pubs and clubs pay to distribute Bet Busters and some show one or more subscription tipping services during the  meetings but they pay to get the feed.

I am not sure I want too many getting a leg up from Monty anyway.

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jun-26, 04:29 PM


The forum has never been big on reprinting 'tips' from Racenet, punters.com et al -- it has been mainly about members giving personal opinions. [That said I would encourage the posting of tips from the pegger -- he has a system that works and 'in advance please' would be good.]

Perhaps it is worth checking with the Fairfax people.


*Cough* What a load of rot.

If it's about personal opinions then why do you continue to waffle on about this blokes tips? Now when you are called out and to use them in comparision you run and hide.

Talk about flip flopping around.  :wacko:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-26, 10:47 PM


You are better than that G -- unless you are a urger

The original question was about rapacious race outcomes -- especially races run by RVL -- and the proof of that included why respected tipsters were consistently 'not getting even close' in some states when they were performing well in other states.

Practically, this is about RVL v. RNSW on Saturdays and RVL shows up as a disgrace.

A new board at RVL may fix it up.

Monty only entered the debate on the basis that he was reliably good -- most able to include the winner in 5 tips -- but why was he not able in Melbourne, bar February and September and a bit either side of both.

July and August will tell the story -- unreliable tracks, low grade horses, inflated fields, smokeys encouraged -- all point to rough results for most punters (and windfalls for the professional syndicates).

................ sit back and enjoy the show ........ win by not betting!

 
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jun-27, 01:05 PM
Peter, if I or a friend every run for politics we will hire you as the campaign manager. You are very good at dodging the question at hand and twisting comments made on this forum.

I'm sure I could ask you about the weather and by the end of your response I would have a recipe for a pasta dish.

Now, here is an exercise that would make or break your claims about the "great one".

Punting is no different to investing on the stock market or on any other form of financial investments.

PROFIT vs LOSS

Peter, the cold hard fact that will for once and all answer the question to Monty's greatness is what is his profit vs loss over a 12 month period?

Yes, he may well have the odd year where he returns a profit on investment but over the long run like all tipsters he will end up a long way in the red.

Peter, also any intelligent person will know that tipping 5 in every race is a joke. You keep pushing Monty's Quaddies.

Again, I repeat 5x5x5x5 = $625 for a single unit.

Peter, overall this blog has most of us bored and I would love to see you continue your support of Monty but stop pushing it down our throats everyday.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-27, 05:30 PM

 
...........est mort

Slowly bring a large pot of salted water to a rolling boil before putting in the pasta of your choice....and so on
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-27, 05:38 PM


........back to the chase

On the question of posting on the forum copies of stuff that is published elsewhere -- it is, of course, relevant to note that no one posts here copies of what Best Bets tips, what is tipped in Sportsman et al.

I doubt the managing monitors/moderators would be suggesting that be done -- ever!

.....that is probably the best parallel to draw with the idea that Monty's tips are fair game for copying to here.

[........ as for Monty's 5 ---choose carefully ---  pick 3 -- but do not exclude the two that I do]

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jun-27, 08:27 PM
On the question of posting on the forum copies of stuff that is published elsewhere -- it is, of course, relevant to note that no one posts here copies of what Best Bets tips, what is tipped in Sportsman et al.

I doubt the managing monitors/moderators would be suggesting that be done -- ever!


Well blow me down.

I've never thought of selections of these people being something to be valued.

Sometimes the rationales are handy.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-27, 08:47 PM
Spot on JWH

Peter, you keep banging on about the success of Monty's 45 tips a meeting.
That's the only reason he's mentioned here and now you're getting precious because of the scrutiny you've brought on your self and your ramblings

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: dean on 2017-Jun-27, 09:17 PM
Gee Wily what I find startling is that NASA haven't contacted Monty to help with their aeronautical studies. Really someone who can narrow Sydney racing selections down to just five hopes he is really wasting his time with the SMH. Half the time that is at least 50 % of the runners. What a genius. It is just a wonder to me that Monty wasn't chosen to play the lead in "A Beautiful Mind" rather than Russell Crowe with his intricate knowledge of mathematics.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-27, 09:18 PM
Lol
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-27, 09:22 PM
Whether or not the tips in the print media are expected to be useful,

................ the issue here is about someone copying them onto the forum in disregard of the copyright.

Do not do it.

After the 'brand' was sold, BB is not a shadow of its self under Steve Moran -- but one would be wary of dismissing the Sportsman (once the Joe Friday selection for the best 'facts only' newspaper in Australia)

Back to Monty

........... only one of his 5 tips can win (and he often misses 1 in 9 times, at least)

The relevant question is whether Monty refines the chances -- he does -- and whether his 'ordering' is on the money -- and it often is, remarkably.

Monty is not a registered foreseer -- he gives an opinion -- an opinion better than most

All that aside -- the wily one now has his chance to show how what he says, on Friday, beats Monty's tips.

[ ...... and as a late entry, the 'deano' may want to play a hand as well -- on Fridays]

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jun-27, 09:24 PM

........back to the chase

[........ as for Monty's 5 ---choose carefully ---  pick 3 -- but do not exclude the two that I do]

whoa , careful pete ya might start picking your own soon
  :lol:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jun-27, 09:28 PM
I was away and out of range this weekend.

I am thinking that rat-sacked has been -- none out of 9.

......... to get Montys tips, wily-od may need to phone a friend who buys the SMH on Saturdays

some people are so harsh
wonder why people dont want to help you
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-27, 09:41 PM


I do not need help to make selections -- I need the Sunday paper.

I do try to sensibly make my own selections but, even after distilling the wisdom of proven prophets, I get it wrong.

Best  advice -- take Monty's top 3 in quadrellas (bar MN) -- not infallible but proven good.

Even this cannot be a formula to win in a stacked game where the house takes 20% +.


Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jun-27, 09:47 PM
Peter,

I noticed a Shayne Montgomery had his tips on the Ubet site today for the Moruya races.

Any relation to your Shane Montgomery or have we been spelling Shane wrong all the time?

If it's the one and same he has started moonlighting.

In regards to Copyright I spoke to a Solicitor friend of mine and he has a very interesting finding.

Here is part of the Copyright Act of 1968 that is still current today.

Fair dealing – Copyright Act 1968 (Current)

There are a range of exceptions that enable the exercise of certain copyright rights without constituting copyright infringement. They may be raised in answer to a claim of infringement. The most important of these exceptions permits 'fair dealing' for certain specified purposes. A fair dealing with a copyright work, sound recording, film or broadcast will not amount to an infringement of copyright if done for the following purposes:

• research or study
• criticism or review
• reporting of news
• giving of professional advice by a lawyer or a patent or trade marks attorney, 
or
• parody and satire.

My solicitor friend stated that the forum is covered under the "Criticism or Review" clause due to the discussion topic stated on the forum.

Peter, over to you for Chapter 17 of your Copyright Saga.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Jun-27, 09:56 PM
Unfortunately the Shayne on Ubet missed out on both the quaddie ( 4x4x4x4) and the treble ( 4x4x4 ) at Moryua, that's $256 & $64 down the drain. He only selected 4 horses in each of those multiple legs.Although with due credit, he did select a trifecta that paid $836 on UTAB, in you invested on $24 on each race.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-28, 06:21 AM

Sitting here ready to board a plane . I pray Peters crap isnt the last thing I read  :lol:

Mort
Thanks for  tgat evaluation that proves Peter was simply deflecting  from the facts
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: arthur on 2017-Jun-28, 10:01 AM
I have no lawyer friends . . try to keep myself in good company . .

But I am sure that if I posted something like: "Monty tipped 3-2-4 in S1" . . as long as it was factual . . no copyright or any other law would have been breached



This thread is starting to remind me of ancient history . . DD's personal vendetta against Phil Purser  emthdown
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jun-28, 12:11 PM
I have no lawyer friends . . try to keep myself in good company . .

But I am sure that if I posted something like: "Monty tipped 3-2-4 in S1" . . as long as it was factual . . no copyright or any other law would have been breached



This thread is starting to remind me of ancient history . . DD's personal vendetta against Phil Purser.

Hi Arthur,

I liked your quote, "I have no lawyer friends . . try to keep myself in good company . ."

He is really too nice of a guy to actually be a lawyer but he does have the best collection of lawyer jokes you will ever hear.

Your other quote raised some poor memories. "This thread is starting to remind me of ancient history . . DD's personal vendetta against Phil Purser."

I would like to think that the banter between Peter and others on this forum isn't anywhere near as vulgar to that of the disgraceful treatment that Phil Purser received from DD and his mates.

Here is my conclusion to the HATS OFF TO MONTY'S 'TOP FIVE' blog that Peter started sometime back.

There is no hiding the fact that Peter holds Monty in the highest regard as a tipster and he has every right to his own opinion and beliefs.

In the main most of us got tired of the push for the Top 5 and we constantly pointed out that the the Top 5 methodology of punting was flawed.

In recent posts Peter has eased back to stating that we should focus on Monty's Top 3 and possible save with place bets on his 4th and 5th tips.

There is a big difference from a Top 5 format to a Top 3 format with Quaddies. 5x5x5x5 = $625 for a single unit vs 3x3x3x3 = $81 for a single unit.

I still stand by my earlier comments, "I have seen 100's of tipsters come and go and guess what very few finish in front over the long term". 

Monty may well be the best of a bad bunch and Peter has everyright to push his barrow.

Arthur, you are right to say that this blog was getting way to personal and I may have even over stepped the mark on one or two occasions.

To Peter, I hope you keep backing plenty of winners but my motto that was taught to me many years ago.

KEEP YOUR TIPS, KEEP YOUR FRIENDS

 :)
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: arthur on 2017-Jun-28, 01:01 PM
KEEP YOUR TIPS, KEEP YOUR FRIENDS

My approach is a rough paraphrase of your advice:

"I don't want a sling if they win . . and I don't want a mouthful if they don't!!"

or

"Anyone who rides on this vehicle, does so at his own risk!"

 :beer:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jun-28, 01:23 PM
Spot on Arthur.

You win the bottle of red for today's best.

 :no1:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: arthur on 2017-Jun-28, 02:00 PM
And I'll collect it too . .

Next time I see you in a pub  :whistle:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-Jun-28, 05:41 PM
  There would not be much point waiting around for a list of Tips from me, I only do a computer analysis to show just how hard it is to fine selections down, and even there I need seven selections to sometimes come close to a Winning First Four.  Following is part of the computer analysis for Belmont race 7  on 28/06/2017.
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VF150417 PR72806F * RACE NAME ID* [ PR72806F  2017. CLASS 1 HANDICAP,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 2100 mtrs]. COMPRUN 06-28-2017. AT 13:15:45 RESULT  [    7   10    5  1   ~   3   15     ]  *F4  $  $645 .

VF150417 PR72806F * LOW LRAC WDIV [  10  7  ] [  10 HALUSHI W%  .  ]. [ 7 DANEHILLS   .  ]. [ ] F4 & 5LOW WDIV E/W BET *

VF150417 PR72806F * WMSPD ORD TNO [    11      7     13      8      2     10     15     12      6      4      5     16      1      9      3     14     ]  * ] BMVRS/W [  8 TUSK W% 0 17  3yo <. Dtl= 13 ] ]*SPL*
VF150417 PR72806F * WMSPD RTG ORD [  914   913   910   872   867   860   853   836   814   795   782   770   761   735   722   702   ] IMPORTANT
VF150417 PR72806F * RQOD WMSPD RO [  7.3   7.3   7.3   10.8   11.8   13.2   14.4   19.7   31.8   50.8   71.1   99.2   125.1   208.6   275.7   414   ] IN WMSPD ORDER. $PRICE/1 CALCULATED RQD ODDS ON WT MODIFIED SPEED RATINGS *

VF150417 PR72806F * GW$CLASS$ ORD [   5    15    11    10    9    12    13    1     7    2    4    16   ]. 5 ROCK G 39d -400m  1k  3y]  [ 9 DARK D 20d  500m -1k  4y]  [ 1 FLY AW 6d -100m  4k  4y]  [ 15 EXPLOS 14d -100m -1k  4y.

VF150417 PR72806F * KEY SPEED NOS [   7 * +!.  10 * +!.  +GW!. =*NK*.  11 ** +!.  +GW!. 13   16   .]>1.  2 ** +!.  4 ** +!.  5   +GW!. 8   12  ] +!. =LRWD ]. *HiWM>GW$C [ < 5 +GW!.  3y <. < 9 4y< ]. *N1/2W<<SP= 5 15  << 16 3 <<=BDUPL. *BP%P*= 3 <: ]. <<] S/WDual IS [ 10 ] * ]CKCNT. *T2X8HITC [ 7 AS13. > 5 MOR2.  10 AS22.  11 AS22. > 3 AS17.  15 AS16.  16 AV16. > ].  MVS/WT4[  8 TUSK W% 0 17  3yo <. Dtl= 13 ] ] MvrFSP[ 14 16 3 4 ] MvrPAC[ 5 16 3 *
    Had to put  following in manually so as not to be late for a bet, alas the computer goes on and  "Artificially Intelligently " improves the situation.
   As a rough guess I would look at  [ 7  10  11   3   16  ] and from this you can see just how hard it sometimes gets.
   A better example was detailed about the TATTS TIARA race posted in the Tabcorp Tatts merger thread. 

cheers. 
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jun-28, 06:21 PM
Pegasyber,

I have mention many times that I had 6 uncles.

3 were bookmakers and all died very wealthy.

3 were butchers and punters. Well they died happy.

But they did teach me one thing about punting.

If you find something that works for you, then stick to it.

So good luck with your computer system and also for your honesty on just how hard it is to finish in front all the time.

  :biggrin:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-28, 09:28 PM

Monty speaks for himself

Today he included the winners of 6 of the 7 races -- on a midweek meeting at the Funny farm --  that's not bad.

In the first 3 races he included the first four -- in the 6 races he had 4 on top, 2 2nd and 2 4th: he only missed the 50/1 shot in the 6th.

Bet Busters also tipped well -- as did the Terrorgraph  -- but not as well as Monty.

[ Do not forget that a major point of this thread is that Sydney racing is far superior to Melbourne as a betting prospect for most TAB punters -- and that point was never more evident as is was today: shame on RVL.

Looking ahead -- steer clear of a sunny coast standalone -- and anything in Melbourne -- and be careful in Sydney ]
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Barry on 2017-Jun-28, 11:05 PM
Win bets (One unit if top selection's rated price less than starting price):
R1 Noviero paid $2.40. Monty had it on top at $3.75. No bet.
R2 Special Missile paid 6.50. Monty rated it fourth at 8.50. No bet. Monty's top tip Tivoli Street rated at 3.50 unplaced (started 2.60). No bet.
R3 Seventhchic paid 6.60. Monty had it on top at 4.00. WINNER. Assuming $1 Win only - PROFIT 5.60
R4 Samadoubt paid 5.00. Monty had it fifth at 8.00. No bet. Monty's top tip Jaunty (rated 3.75), finished second. Started at 5.00. BET. LOSS. (Paid 2.00 place, so possibly consolation.)
R5 Roman Son paid 3.00. Monty had it second at 4.00. No bet. Monty's top tip Red Viking (rated 3.50), finished fourth. Started 8.70. BET. LOSS.
R6 Another Snappy paid 55.50. Monty didn't have it. Loss. Monty's top tip El Venetian (rated 3.25) unplaced. Stared 4.50. BET. LOSS.
R7 Cosmic Engine paid $2.60. Monty rated it on top (published top Street Pursuit scratched) at 3.75 (adjust for scratching?). No bet.
NET PROFIT of $2.60.

If just betting a single unit the win on each top selection (regardless of rating or starting price):
R1 - Win 1.40
R2 - Lose 1.00
R3 - Win 5.60
R4 - Lose 1.00
R5 - Lose 1.00
R6 - Lose 1.00
R7 - Win 1.60.
NET PROFIT 4.60 (7.00 outlay)
Excellent RoI. Snaring the 6-1 shot in the third was great value betting from Monty.

First Fours:
R1 - 5 2 6 8 (Monty 5 6 8 1 2). WINNER. Paid 87.40. Outlay 120.00. Result LOSS of 32.60.
R2 - 4 1 5 2 (Monty 2 5 1 4 3). WINNER. Paid 130.50. Outlay 120.00. Result WIN 10.50.
R3 - 6 3 1 2 (Monty 6 3 1 4 2). WINNER. Paid 367.40. Outlay 120.00. Result WIN 247.40.
R4 - 1 9 2 6 (Monty 9 2 4SCR 8 1). LOSS. Paid 605.70. Outlay 60.00. Result LOSS of 60.00.
R5 - 6 9 7 5 (Monty 5 6 2 4SCR 7). LOSS. Paid 550.20. Outlay 60.00. Result LOSS of 60.00
R6 - 10 1 9 4 (Monty 8 2 4 9 5). LOSS. Paid 15807.80. Outlay 120.00. Result LOSS of 120.00
R7 - 2 4 13 15 (Monty 11SCR 2 5 4 3). Paid 7286.70. Outlay 60.00. Result LOSS of 60.00
NET LOSS 74.70.

Quaddie 1 6 10 2 paid 1913.30. Monty (three per leg) got three legs. Outlay 81.00. LOSS 81.00
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jun-29, 12:09 AM
Peter,

Don't forget the bottom line.

Profit vs Loss.

One day of sun doesn't make a summer.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jun-29, 08:31 AM


Monty is a helpful guide -- he cannot be held responsible for fools like me, among others,  not winning. in a game where the house takes 20 % up front and not all runners have an even chance.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-Jul-01, 10:56 AM
   Peter Warned:
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Looking ahead -- steer clear of a sunny coast standalone -- and anything in Melbourne -- and be careful in Sydney ] 

  Peter could be right about Sunny Coast but there are a couple of computer analyses (Races 6, 7, and may do  8 and 9 , but lunch calls ) on  the Betting Tips and Ratings thread under the Sunshine Coast Topic.   
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jul-01, 02:26 PM
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Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-05, 10:33 PM


............ verily............and so it came to pass

Saturday was predictably a shocker: lotto-like F4s and quadrella dividends including a 'tears-i-cry' $ 100,000 and a couple of $25,000+ F4s in Melbourne.

Do not bet until September -- addicts should minimise their bank wagered and lost.

Monty did ok in Sydney but missed a crucial couple of quadrella legs: Bet Busters did better -- including in their 'top 7',  the elusive ones Monty missed.

...............focus on Sydney -------forget the rest ---------lose less..

[PS Monty did ok today --  but again missed a couple of crucial winners in quadrella legs]

............ truly ........do not bet (much) until September....... save the savings.


Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jul-06, 05:53 PM

............ verily............and so it came to pass

Saturday was predictably a shocker: lotto-like F4s and quadrella dividends including a 'tears-i-cry' $ 100,000 and a couple of $25,000+ F4s in Melbourne.

Do not bet until September -- addicts should minimise their bank wagered and lost.

Monty did ok in Sydney but missed a crucial couple of quadrella legs: Bet Busters did better -- including in their 'top 7',  the elusive ones Monty missed.

...............focus on Sydney -------forget the rest ---------lose less..

[PS Monty did ok today --  but again missed a couple of crucial winners in quadrella legs]

............ truly ........do not bet (much) until September....... save the savings.
This is nonsense Peter.

It seems to me when the tracks get  their irrigation through rainfall they seem  to race quite fairly.
Caulfield last week and Flemington a couple of weeks ago were fine.

Monty just under rated the Kiwi, My Paisann last week, but plenty didn't, $34 into $20.
He might have to do some NZ replays.

The big dividends in the last were mainly compliments of the 3rd placed  Lord Durante who started at $50 and was also missed by Monty.
That good old boy loves a 4 or 5 rated track and based on his previous run should never have been that price.

I reckon Pegasyber's computer would have gone close with that race.


Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: fours on 2017-Jul-06, 11:45 PM
been here before...... BUT Peter refuses to learn...

Lord Durante was hardly a state secret. Tipped to follow on other sites for simply being likely to do what he has done in earlier preparations.

NO SECRET

NOT HIDDEN

NO INSIDE INFO

VERY LITTLE FORM WORK REQUIRED

OPENLY TIPPED TO ALL....

BUT... Peter prefers to remain insane and do no work and wonders why his results do not change.

Yes a gimme for pegsy

Fours

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-07, 12:20 PM

Good Lord Durante -- does it again!

The idea that a horse drifting -- from 30/1 to 40/1 to 50/1 -- is easily found begs the question of why it was not.

............... punters looked at his form ...... but not the right in the right place apparently.

Now this little treasure -- rising 9 yro --  will be older than me in a couple of weeks -- he has won one in 8 of his 70 starts........and, for most punters, it was not reasonably sensible to over-ride market expectations.......conversely, betting syndicates 'covering the field' would have given it a rough chance of running a place.

This sequence translates to most punters 'sensibly' losing while syndicates knock off the pool -- and those rough outcomes reflect the inflated fields and related buffeting deliberately intended to ensure races are unfair and over-bet to boost turnover.

Accordingly, when no punters found it,  it is hardly correct to say:

NO SECRET

NOT HIDDEN

NO INSIDE INFO

VERY LITTLE FORM WORK REQUIRED

OPENLY TIPPED TO ALL....


3rd of 15 CAUL 01Jul17 1800m Good4 HCP $100,000 ($9,000) Stan Tsaikos 54.5kg Barrier 15 Rtg 88
 1st Radipole (IRE) 54.5kg, 2nd Magic Consol 55kg 1:50.22 (600m 37.50), 0.8L, 2nd@800m, 2nd@400m, $31/$41/$51
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jul-07, 12:52 PM
No-one is suggesting Lord Durante was easily found Peter.
9 wins and 19 placings from 71 starts is a respectable record all the same.

Look a little closer at his race record and you'll notice what happens when he gets on good 3.........failures.
Take the firm track races away and see what you are left with.
 
Like a lot of thoroughbreds he struggles on firm ground.

 Yes he is a bit of a grey beard but age can be kinder to some.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-07, 10:13 PM


.......... the merits of Lord Durante are there for all to see........ perhaps some saw them............ certainly, however, most did not and the horse started well over its true odds.

The 'why' and 'how' are the questions unanswered ----- and the 'who' contrived this result  and benefited from it?
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-07, 10:17 PM


.............on reflection ................ Flemington apparently offers the best chance of sensible betting tomorrow
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jul-07, 10:22 PM
So your previous posts were pointless


Thanks scoop :clap2:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jul-07, 10:46 PM
So your previous posts were pointless


Thanks scoop :clap2:

ALL    :whistle:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-07, 10:47 PM



...... yes, and perhaps not ............. there should be hell to pay if, tomorrow, RVL delivers the usual 'rough results'.

As is, on paper, good races on a good track should ensure a fair go ......... it rarely happens in MN, and you may again need to ask why.


Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-07, 10:49 PM




.. ...........and interest remains high in knowing what wily is tipping before the races are run
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jul-07, 11:01 PM
Peter
your thoughts on poker machines ?

it seems to me that you want the same result ?

no effort and the "house" keeps 13%

well I'm happy to try my luck on something , which if i work at i have a chance of winning at

i am sure which one gives more enjoyment    :beer:

maybe you could aim your vitriol at another audience

 :beer:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jul-07, 11:04 PM
Peter
your thoughts on poker machines ?

it seems to me that you want the same result ?

no effort and the "house" keeps 13%

well I'm happy to try my luck on something , which if i work at i have a chance of winning at

i am sure which one gives more enjoyment    :beer:

maybe you could aim your vitriol at another audience

 :beer:

in other words   .... ..
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-09, 09:18 AM

.............on reflection ................ Flemington apparently offers the best chance of sensible betting tomorrow

Monty does the mansplaining that I like

....... he included every winner at Flemington ..... 3 on top, 2 2nd, 3 3rd and 1 4th.........that included both quadrellas obviously...........early for 150 and main for 3000.

The outcomes at Flemington -- in series finals -- were consistent with the importance of recent form and 'black type' races: even so Monty did much better than others -- it would be silly to ignore what he says (as I manage to do every week).

As for racing in Sydney at the Funny Farm ----- Monty's failure to read the form was just  another illustration of why the track should be closed to racing: you were warned.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jul-09, 10:17 AM
Well done monty. Amazing what a fist full of darts will do

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-13, 12:10 AM


......... while the wily one is back in obedience training 101, others can again rejoice that the thrower had another good day with the darts.

Inclement weather apart, he nominated seven of seven: 2 on top, 1 2nd, 2 3rds, 2 4ths -- for a total quadrella pay of 650.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jul-13, 12:36 AM
Fantastic effort Peter.

5x5x5x5= $625 outlay for a return of $650.

A profit of $25 for an outlay of $625.

Great percentages...................I think not.

I guarantee the Soup Kitchen will await if you keep pushing Monty's 5 selections per race.

Peter, the facts will prove over a 12 months period anyone spending $625 on both of Monty's Quaddies on a Saturday will be so far behind their Bank Manager will have a search party after them.

That's $1250 every Saturday x 52 weeks = $65,000.

So for a little exercise why don't you supply Monty's Quaddie results over the last 12 months for both Sydney and Melbourne on a Saturday for the last 12 months.

Anything over $65,000 will show a profit.

You now the old saying, "Put Up Or Shut Up".

 :clap2:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-13, 07:52 PM

It is unusual to see someone giving themselves the clap .......... but it is your choice.

I have not previously responded to any idea that it would be sensible to include all 5 selections in all the races -- this, because it would be stupid to do so -- but I have remarked in my own uncanny ability to choose the wrong ones to include.

Earlier today, under a different header, Pegasyber outlined a simple plan for identifying the better contenders in a race -- today's Grafton Cup:  his top-7 'selections' included the trifecta and the horses that ran 6,8,9 & 10th, in a field of some 15.

The magic that Monty often brings reflects in correctly ranking a longer priced horse ahead of others more favoured.

Of course Monty is usually only a near to last word -- one's personal mistakes are made reading the form on Friday and compounded by listening to competing 'noise' on Saturday morning, before being 'finalized' as bets placed.

The bottom line here is about enjoying a stacked game and not betting much, ever.

No one taking 5 tips in all races wins backing all five -- just be careful which of Monty's 5 you leave out because he is proven to be better than most.
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jul-14, 06:35 PM
Peter, you get more confusing everyday.

"No one taking 5 tips in all races wins backing all five -- just be careful which of Monty's 5 you leave out because he is proven to be better than most".

"No one taking 5 tips in all races wins backing all five". So you agree that you can't win backing all of Monty's 5 tips in each race or taking them in a Quaddie.

But then you state, "just be careful which of Monty's 5 you leave out because he is proven to be better than most".

So you say in one statement that you can't win backing all 5 tips per race but then you state be careful which one of Monty's 5 tips you leave out.

Then when Monty gets a Quaddie by locking in all 5 tips in each leg you brag about the result.

Peter, you can't have it all ways.

 emthdown
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jul-15, 09:17 AM
In peters world he can have it both ways. That's what he specialises in  :lol:

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-15, 09:35 AM


........hopes dashed....... saw the moniker and clicked to see the wily one's tips for today.....but....



[Melbourne looks best again today -- RNSW buying big fields of no-hopers means Sydney will be a wipe-out.]
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jul-15, 11:08 AM
Penny hasn't dropped with you Peter, has it.

If you seriously think anyone sitting here and throwing 90 darts at Syd and Melb meetings is of interest or value, then you are a nut job.

Even worse, claims of any success by doing so is stupidity personified :tin:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jul-15, 05:36 PM
It is unusual to see someone giving themselves the clap .......... but it is your choice.


Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jul-15, 05:38 PM
Peter, you get more confusing everyday.

"No one taking 5 tips in all races wins backing all five -- just be careful which of Monty's 5 you leave out because he is proven to be better than most".

"No one taking 5 tips in all races wins backing all five". So you agree that you can't win backing all of Monty's 5 tips in each race or taking them in a Quaddie.

But then you state, "just be careful which of Monty's 5 you leave out because he is proven to be better than most".

So you say in one statement that you can't win backing all 5 tips per race but then you state be careful which one of Monty's 5 tips you leave out.

Then when Monty gets a Quaddie by locking in all 5 tips in each leg you brag about the result.

Peter, you can't have it all ways.

 emthdown

You beat me to it Morts   emthup

The left hand say 'Don't include all 5 selections' while the right is claiming a result using all 5 selections  :shutup:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jul-15, 06:49 PM
Dear Peter Mair,

"It is unusual to see someone giving themselves the clap .......... but it is your choice".

I thought you were above insinuating the above comment.

The reason for the clap emoji was to show you that I enjoy your form of comedy.

Then I realised you were serious.

They haven't invented an emoji that shows one being total crackers as yet but they are working on it and guess what?

It's going to be called the "Peter Mair Emoji".

 :bop: :bye: :yes:  :lol:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2021-May-02, 02:40 PM

Monty to the rescue on May-Day


Monty's selections yesterday were for Sydney and Brisbane (with rain coming on the day).

Monty had one 'rough duck' in both states but all other winners were in his top four.

In Brisbane .........5 on top, one 2nd and two 3rd.

In Sydney (at a standalone) ...........two 2nd, four 3rd and two 4th.

...... as Chet Atkins might say 'that's good pickin'

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-May-02, 02:45 PM
So 5 picks in each race and he couldn’t find a winner in Sydney

Yep, good pickin  :lol:   :lol:
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: fours on 2021-May-02, 02:54 PM
Peter,

Your standards for acceptable tipping are way way way too low - unless you like losing big money.  Sydney shows a 45 units loss on win bets and yet you say thats great tipping

You have already been told this site provides areas where 1 tip per race shows great profits....

An inability to learn can be a very expensive thing.

Nemisis provided you with a tip that won at 80/1 and FFS even Winner gave a winning tip at $4.00

Fours

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2021-May-02, 04:18 PM
Arthur, from what I recall of Halley's Comet, the anticipation of its arrival,  was a bit like foreplay, it was better than the main event. :beer:

Bubba
Has Mrs Bubba seen this post?
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: Peter Mair on 2021-May-02, 09:19 PM


Media tipsters ........... ignore at your punting peril



.........Monty is, by far, the best tipster published in the mainstream media ........... that 'best' reflects professional independence ............  he calls the shots after painstaking assessment of 'disclosed form'.

Not infallible, he is not 'on the inside' for a leg-up on contenders privately primed for a 'good run' .............. nor, as with the rest of us, can he forsee unpredictable consequences of 'inflated fields'

No one from the Waller stable, or others, is 'briefing' him on runners prepped for a run against the 'form'.

Others are more 'dependent' on getting a leg-up about runners primed to run 'better than expected' ................. nothing wrong with this dependence................. bar any insider disclosures not being openly 'disclosed'.

However ..... for the real 'stable stings' no one gets a clue.

Opinions vary about 'who gets a leg-up?' but some standout ............. never ignore an 'unexpected' top-tip from Chris Roots.

................... 'punters.com.au' is similarly 'essential reading on rankings'.............. not least for May-Day, yesterday.

[ Conversely, while it is an oxy-moron to say so, punters should be wary, very wary, of lays nominated on 'tips from big bookies' on Racenet]

Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: fours on 2021-May-02, 09:44 PM
Peter,

Punters should ignore anything you write given your reliance on tipsters just  for a starters.

Fours
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-May-03, 08:49 AM
The failed administrator tells us that Monty had 45 selections at Hawkesbury and failed to select a winner but he still puts him on a pedestal   :lol:

No wonder........
Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: PuntersParadise on 2021-May-03, 11:54 AM
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Title: HATS OFF TO MONTYS 'TOP FIVE'
Post by: fours on 2021-May-03, 12:04 PM
cough cough,

We already have punters doing that here free of any charge or spamming about other sites....

eg 80/1 winner tipped by one member, other member providing >20/1 tips most weeks from around6 picks only and so on.

Fours