Author Topic: Inflated fields – assessing the consequences about to unfold (Read 86041 times)

Peter Mair · « 2019-Sep-30, 07:44 PM **Reply #275** »

Black-Pete readily relents but does not repent

So true -- a 9yro gelding returning to G1 form is to be applauded -- as was the Diva winning over 1400 -- just smile.

Luke Nolan is similarly applauded -- he does it hard -- but I am about to stop applauding Linda Meech and Kathy O'Hara.

I do not mind losing in those events -- but I would like to know 'how they get one ready' -- and one can be got ready for a hit-and-run -- BHB will never win again -- should not have won yesterday (2nd was three-wide the whole way).

As for the devil's disciple wondering about evidence of unfairness -- commonsense would suggest restraint after a day when almost all punters were lamenting losses as the dividends screamed 'we wuzz robbed!' by inflated fields raced on unfair courses.

[............... and the bland stewards report on the last race begged for more -- a favourite and winner, drawn the outside in a 1400m at Caulfield, came from near last in a time of 1.26+ -- as if the others were waiting for it to run past them. Tell me more!]

Peter Mair · « 2019-Sep-30, 07:56 PM **Reply #276** »

............ the BHB story had a sequel............. he was readied!

Brad Rawiller (Black Heart Bart) pleaded guilty to a charge of careless riding under the provisions of AR131(a), the carelessness being that near the 350 metres, he permitted his mount to shift out when not sufficiently clear of Harlem (D. Dunn), causing that gelding to be steadied to avoid the heels of Black Heart Bart. Brad Rawiller had his licence to ride in races suspended for a period to commence at midnight 5 October 2019 and to expire midnight 12 October, a total of 8 race meetings (2 metropolitan, 6 provincial). In assessing penalty Stewards took into account his guilty plea, good record, the fact it was a Group 1 race and that the carelessness was in the low range.

wily ole dog · « 2019-Sep-30, 07:58 PM **Reply #277** »

Quote from: Peter Mair on 2019-Sep-30, 07:44 PM

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As for the devil's disciple wondering about evidence of unfairness -- commonsense would suggest restraint after a day when almost all punters were lamenting losses as the dividends screamed 'we wuzz robbed!' by inflated fields raced on unfair courses.
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You’re the only one squealing, wrongly, about field size and as expected you couldn’t find any excuses for the beaten brigade that related to field size

Your dishonesty continues unabated

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-05, 07:05 PM **Reply #278** »

.......... another day wrecked by malevolent administration

What should have been, and was in parts, a good days racing was again spoiled by running crowded fields of inexperienced 3 yro horses -- two $60k F4s and one paying 14k, as well as a 30k quadrella, were the predictable disgrace.

..... .....product quality management is beyond the len of RVL ......... but they sure know how to organize unfair races.

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-07, 09:50 AM **Reply #279** »

Tarnishing the Silver -- Silver Eagle gets a couple of extra starters

Racing NSW and the Australian Turf Club have worked on a way to increase of Saturday’s Silver Eagle to 14 runners from the 1300m start at Randwick on Saturday.

“We can start another two runners by moving the rail, so we have done that. We will get a full field and we might have to look at ways to get more four-year-olds starts on Saturday.”

The Silver Eagle, to be run for the first time in 2019, is something completely new in Australian racing: a race restricted only to four-year-olds. While Australian racing has many famous races for two and three-year-olds, this will be the first race only for four-year-olds. and run at set weight and penalty conditions.

This story will unfold during the week -- and the post-mortem will be held next Monday.

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-07, 06:47 PM **Reply #280** »

Mizzy is a 110 benchmark nomination -- there is a cluster of 5 around BM 86.

.......... with a spread of BM weights around some 12 kg being unlikely in a SWP event, the probabilities are for an uneven race affected by clutter.

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-07, 08:32 PM **Reply #281** »

One over the limit nominated for the Sliver Ealge

The inaugural Silver Eagle (1300m),.. $500,000 for four-year-olds on Saturday .. has ... 15 nominations.

.......................it is hardly a stampede to get a run ..... that suggests connections are expecting a couple of good ones to be dominant and their best outcome will be $5,000 for running 10th.

Spare my days!

This is not a model for a major national business to aspire to present as a wonderful 'considered innovation' ... it smacks of opportunism akin to that RVL nonsense in Autumn where the punters vote for the runners.

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-08, 04:36 PM **Reply #282** »

Hi Ho-Ho Silver -- a weighty problem for Pauline to explain

The situation with the Sliver Egale is ever more tantalizing -- consider these allocated 'weights'.

Mizzy with the highest 110 benchmark rating gets 55.5 kg.

Buffalo River with the lowest benchmark 82 gets 56 kg.

Zousain rated at 104 gets the 57.5 kg topweight.

Fasika despite being benchmarked at 99 gets 54 kg, the lowest weight.

.................. it could not be as silly as this looks, could it?

sobig · « 2019-Oct-08, 05:04 PM **Reply #283** »

It is a set weights and penalties therefore benchmark rating becomes meaningless.

Basic weight is 56kg entires and geldings and 54kg for mares, penalties group 3 winner 0.5kg, group 2 winner 1.5kg and group 1 winner 2.5kg

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-08, 06:54 PM **Reply #284** »

Thanks Sobig for the education

.............set weights and penalties ............ benchmark ratings become meaningless

While BM ratings may be ignored in allocating the weights for a SWP event, I am still thinking that they may be relevant to the prospects of horses that would be weighted very differently in a handicap.

I may be a dunce but it seems to me that Mizzy should start favourite while some others nominated should not really be running in the same race.

In terms of sound racing industry policy -- one question is about runners only there to pick up $5,000 for coming 10th ............but cluttering and impeding others before compounding and falling back through the field ....... probably making the race result unfair.

This will play out -- inflating fields with no-hopers, for turnover, corrupts the sport and the gambling.

wily ole dog · « 2019-Oct-08, 07:12 PM **Reply #285** »

Quote from: Peter Mair on 2019-Oct-08, 06:54 PM

Thanks Sobig for the education

.............set weights and penalties ............ benchmark ratings become meaningless

While BM ratings may be ignored in allocating the weights for a SWP event, I am still thinking that they may be relevant to the prospects of horses that would be weighted very differently in a handicap.

I may be a dunce but it seems to me that Mizzy should start favourite while some others nominated should not really be running in the same race.

In terms of sound racing industry policy -- one question is about runners only there to pick up $5,000 for coming 10th ............but cluttering and impeding others before compounding and falling back through the field ....... probably making the race result unfair.

This will play out -- inflating fields with no-hopers, for turnover, corrupts the sport and the gambling.

Well, you proved it yet again

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-08, 07:31 PM **Reply #286** »

Thank you for repeating my assessment of the Sliver Egale,

wily ole dog · « 2019-Oct-08, 08:57 PM **Reply #287** »

And, once again thanks for highlighting what a dishonest dunce you are🍻

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-08, 10:04 PM **Reply #288** »

The Kensington track at Randwick is one to be wary of

........ the prospect of running another midweek meeting with over-full fields on this track does not inspire confidence.

Why would they do it?

-- a suspect track at the best of times is coupled with full-fields of low-grade horses -- a portent saying don't even look at the fields.

So don't.

......... the story will be told before nightfall tomorrow ... no one will wish they had had a bet.

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-09, 07:12 PM **Reply #289** »

........... and, so it came to pass

Across the four legs of a quadrella paying some $11k, the total of the F4 dividends on te quadrella legs was some $25k.

The race outcomes continue to suggest it is beat to avoid running in, and betting on, races run on a track that has never made the grade.

The contributing factors to this damning historical record are complex -- in the end connections with a good horse will not nominate to run on this track and, the converse, those that do nominate are running for luck.

.............. do it without me until field sizes are constrained to ensure a fair go.

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-17, 05:57 AM **Reply #290** »

A glimmer of hope for a fair go -- limit field numbers

Slotholders cautious on expanding The Everest

A group of The Everest’s slotholders have warned the world’s richest turf race will ‘‘lose its glamour’’ if more horses are added to the event, insisting Sydney’s signature race will reach $20 million in prize money in coming years.

As interest intensifies from overseas and domestic parties wanting a slice of the pie, some of the concept’s initial backers want the field capped rather than expanding to 14 runners.

....................... there’s no sign of them agreeing to another two slotholders joining The Everest, despite Racing NSW being flooded with more than 20 applications for Damion Flower’s forfeited slot earlier this year.

‘‘We repay loyalty back in spades,’’ he said. ‘‘The original slotholders went on a journey with us and we wouldn’t change anything without their agreement. But also 12 is the right number from a wagering point of view.’’

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-22, 06:31 PM **Reply #291** »

20 is too many -- Caulfield Cup form suspect

“The first six placegetters officially finished within two lengths of each of other and there was a litany of hard luck stories from the beaten runners.

Some horses should not have been in the race. Some forced to race wide.

Many were variously 'held up' and impeded -- especially at the 200 / 150 m mark. It was nor a fair race.

Read the stewards report -- and ask if the field was inflated.

Brimham Rocks (GB) Change of tactics: to be ridden more forward. Raced four wide without cover in the early stages.

Mr Quickie Change of tactics: intention to hold a midfield position. As the start was effected became unruly, jumped away awkwardly and lost ground. Settled towards the rear of the field. Held up from the 400m until shifting out approaching the 100m to gain clear running.

Hartnell (GB) Held up from the 400m until gaining clear running approaching the 100m.

Mirage Dancer (GB) Slow to begin. Brushed on the hindquarters near the 200m and became unbalanced.

Constantinople (IRE) Slow to begin. Held up from the 400m and near the 300m had to be checked when disappointed for a run between Sound (GER) and Vow and Declare.

Rostropovich (IRE) Caught wide without cover before rider Dwayne Dunn allowed the gelding to stride outside the leader near the 1400m. Checked to avoid heels near the 150m.

Finche (GB) Raced three wide without cover.

Red Verdon Tightened for room near the 200m.

Gold Mount (GB) Approaching the 300m until near the 150m was held up for clear running.

Vow and Declare Steadied near the 1800m when racing tight between Mr Quickie and Rostropovich (IRE). (D. Dunn) which shifted in slightly. Rider Dwayne Dunn was reprimanded. Near the 200m taken in off its course when tightened in onto Sound (GER).

Angel of Truth Checked to avoid heels near the 150m.

Sound (GER) Had to relinquish its position near the 1800m when tightened for room. Severely checked approaching the 200m when tightened for room.

napes · « 2019-Oct-24, 10:14 AM **Reply #292** »

Time for time out on this thread!!

Show of hands.

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-27, 09:54 AM **Reply #293** »

The carnival is over in Sydney

......... inflated fields of low-grade horses in three races in Sydney reflected in F4 'dividends' of $90,000, 10,000 and 6, 000

---------- in Melbourne the tragedy of hit-and-run unknowns frustrating punters is just gathering pace.

Peter Mair · « 2019-Oct-30, 08:58 PM **Reply #294** »

Greed rules -- a big-weekend for the big-field boys!

I know we are addicted .... we will bet ........ but no one would back themselves to win on the day betting across the programs in Sydney or Melbourne.

As between the two, Sydney looks the better bet.

Black-type races should be fair contests to guide ratings and breeding-- they are not -- tears I cry lives on.

Inflated fields for straight races at Flemington confounds concepts of quality racing product.

The declaration that all the races in Melbourne are G1, G2 or G3 makes one wonder about the role of a classification committee that denies the Everest G1 status.

The wrecked legs of the quadrella races in both states are an insult to the 'most punters' that make them so popular.

..... racing, administered by no-mercy monopolists, is one business where the punter-customer is never-right, not even considered for an entitlement to a fair go.

............. go out for the day ........ tape the races ......... come home and enjoy the relief of not losing.

wily ole dog · « 2019-Oct-31, 06:56 AM **Reply #295** »

Peter, are you married?

Dave · « 2019-Oct-31, 02:35 PM **Reply #296** »

Wily Pete would lose and complain if he was playing Tiddlywinks.......Why would you wish marriage to Pete and another Human being?
This thread and other similar threads are the reason I don't come here too often,
It would be fair to assume that a Forum on punting and the Thoroughbred would find a lot of like minded lovers of our great sport....even allowing for a difference of opinion and some stimulating conversation........How wrong would you be??????
Arguing and beating the same drum on the same negative crap for years.......is not attractive....at least not to me.......and it always seems to be at the top of the hit parade.....please stop! and lets talk more about what unites us rather than what divides us
(Give it up Pete, if you haven't won by now surely you can see you have reached a stalemate and any continued point making is lost)

napes · « 2019-Oct-31, 02:55 PM **Reply #297** »

Hear Hear

Surely the moderators can do something to move the dribbler on!

He is the cancer this forum is dying from!

wily ole dog · « 2019-Oct-31, 02:57 PM **Reply #298** »

Couldn't agree more folks

JWesleyHarding · « 2019-Oct-31, 05:07 PM **Reply #299** »

Leave the bloke alone, fellas.

Obsessive about things at times and gives plenty of cause for differences of opinion.

But doesn't give reason for what you are asking.