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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-Apr-05, 07:52 AM Reply #500 »

Saturday's Doncaster meeting should be postponed now -- to Sunday at least




Thank god your not in a position to make decisions any more😁
Great days racing.
A sparkling autumn day and the track played wonderfully🤗


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« 2020-Apr-05, 11:17 AM Reply #501 »

Thank god your not in a position to make decisions any more😁
Great days racing.
A sparkling autumn day and the track played wonderfully🤗

Not some of the rides. I did not  understand the ride on Warning and still getting over the disappointment of Pierata coming wide and costing me a straight trifecta and first four. It was only for a few $ though.

I can’t wait for next week with the QE, Oaks and Sydney Cup plus the Coolmore.

The coverage has been good without all the usual crap we see at times with the side interviews. Quite good to see more racing info for past few weeks than previously with racing just being a side show.

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« 2020-Apr-05, 05:17 PM Reply #502 »
Yes the ride on warning was an indecivie inept effort.  No doubt

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« 2020-Apr-08, 06:30 PM Reply #503 »


Races at the 'funny farm' -- should not have been run today.

RNSW's race meeting at Warrick Farm today was a dead loss for most punters.

Not only did TAB punters ante up some $400,000 in prize-money that would not have gone anywhere close to being recovered, RNSW delivered product to punters that was predictably designed to disadvantage them.

That should be a trade-practices offence.

Fancy running quadrella races averaging 14 starters on a heavy track at a 'funny farm' that should not be used for racing, at all, unless field sizes are limited to 8.

.......... remarkably the VICTAB pool for this quadrella, $107,000 was bigger than the $94,000 that the NSWTAB held........... the 'notional' dividends declared were $40,000 and $60,000....... along with comparably indictable F4 'payouts'.

 



 

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« 2020-Apr-08, 06:41 PM Reply #504 »
Peter

I would respectfully suggest you take your interest elsewhere.

Obviously Racing has far too many faults.

And you've spent so many years having your helpful suggestions fall on barren ground that its obvious they won't be adopted.



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« 2020-Apr-08, 08:08 PM Reply #505 »


A bit of a licker

...........would be a more apt  for JWH than someone making a 'respectful suggestion'.

Tell me what you think will be the outcome for the races run at Caulfield on Saturday.

........ inflated fields of low-grade runners on a soft track.. ..you well know what I would tell you!

The 'funny farm' debacle today was entirely predictable.


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« 2020-Apr-12, 09:00 PM Reply #506 »


As night follows day --------- yesterday's results were so predictably unfair


You did not --Tell me what you think will be the outcome for the races run at Caulfield on Saturday.

........ inflated fields of low-grade runners on a soft track.. .. you well know what I would tell you!


Too many runners, too many not qualified to 'win', too many there to run 10th....... too many reasons to demand a fundamental change of policy about race-field numbers and the entitlement of 'acceptors' to be accepted.

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« 2020-Apr-13, 07:56 AM Reply #507 »
Well done to the Kiwi connections of Etah James.......gutsy little staying daughter of Raise The Flag rewarded their perseverance with a big payday.
Always goes around at big odds and plenty seem to have missed her last run.......strange but good.

Was I on?.....no...... I'm off the punt......was on last start of course!.....and the start before that and so on.  :what:

Certainly a "smokie" in the last, Peter........not a local but 20's into 7's, so some leave the course happy.
Well done to the Kiwi connections of Etah James......gutsy little staying daughter of Raise The Flag rewarded their perseverance with an even bigger payday.
Always goes around at big odds and only some may have missed her last run.....silly but good.

Was I on .....yes...at $23......I'm on the punt.....was on last start and the start before that.....both in Auckland.

It's ok to have your Mrs Fitzherberts, Peter....makes it fun......especially when they are underrated.....saves you doing the form.....just don't have too many!

Bossy half declared the 7yr old NZ mare I believe....$26 into $14.....I was expecting $26 out to $50.
Had some Tears I Cry 'spit and polish'  :whistle: applied as well.

Missed by Monty, called 'this thing' by Boss and referred  to as 'he' by the racecaller......but not missed by everybody.

Lovely little clean winded staying mare from the Sth Island of NZ shows that you don't need to be sent around every two weeks on hard Victorian tracks to prove your worth.

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« 2020-Apr-13, 10:58 AM Reply #508 »
Peter,

Nothing like a little before the race tipping to show you are totally clueless and also wrong.

My pre race Caulfiled tips, 6 of them, showed a fantastic each way profit. 12 units out returned $24.40 back.

Some how I found reasons to include a horse at $125.00 the win pick in my selections...... You wouldn't let it run.... says it all really.

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« 2020-Apr-13, 09:26 PM Reply #509 »


........... one rough result says nothing ..........however you may have selected it


Betting 12 and getting 24 back 'once' is 'breaking even' given the risks  -- and if one 'contributor' was at 125/1 it was, overall,  a 'dumb bet'.

The 'claims' to 'integrity' have no substance when a stunt  pulled depends on an 'at all costs' win ride -- and the stewards do nothing to run to ground who was told 'what' and the bets they placed.

An industry endorsing unrestrained 'insider trading' -- to 'win or lose' is an industry without integrity.

....... and then, compounding a corrupted culture with 'inflated fields', is a last straw.

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« 2020-Apr-13, 09:44 PM Reply #510 »
Peter,

I see the idiot hat is still firmly on your head and this is why.

Midterm copped interference rather than causing it. Yet it managed to recover, gain its balance again and then surge to the line like a good favourite should.

I mentioned the term favourite for a reason. Midterm was the best horse in the race and the ratings say so - not by a little bit but by a lot.

The fact that the market allowed Midterm to go around at $125.00 the win shows you that most punters are focused on the wrong things when doing their form.

You claim roughly priced horses get in the way and cause interference - again Midterm was a victim of interference rather than the cause. The interference was fair however in that it was merely horses racing tight around the turn jostling for a way to run forward. Competitive riding which we want to see rather than whine about.

Peter it is very clear that you will never do the work required to see what are in fact the best horses in a race - so keep donating. Thank you for that.

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« 2020-Apr-15, 12:40 PM Reply #511 »


Let's talk about the Vobis-Gold race meeting on Saturday at Caulfield


Talk about a looming disaster -- consider the main quadrella races scheduled for Saturday.

Race 6 -- 16 2yros running over 1200m.

Race 7 -- a 'listed' open handicap -- 16 to run

Race 8 -- 1100m swp event for 3ryo -- 16 to run

Race 9 -- 1600m sw event for 3yro -- 16 to run.

What do you think will happen  - immature horses, inflated fields, vobis-only horses, soft track?

..................................OK, on second thoughts, let's not talk about it -- let your mind fly to Randwick.

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« 2020-Apr-15, 01:46 PM Reply #512 »
IDIOT

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« 2020-Apr-16, 08:38 AM Reply #513 »

sometimes...........not always


The punters.com.au team are also wary of Vobis fools gold -- the assessment of races 5&6 is sobering:

This is an absolute nightmare of a race.............This is arguably even harder (than race five) in what is a challenging start for quaddie players............. a near-impossible affair.

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« 2020-Apr-17, 07:34 PM Reply #514 »

A mix of complexity and simplicity -- RVL mis-managment writ large

There is no point saying this on Sunday.

Following on the some-star mile nonsense it is perhaps not surprising that RVL is promoting another day of mixed nonsense.

Why waste $1.5 million of punters money on a set of low-grade and overcrowded quadrella races that promise rough-results?

Putting aside that and Race1 --  [14 low-grade starters over the notoriously unfair 1400m course] -- the next 3 races are acceptably-sized with odds-on favourites likely to win  -- ahead of an early quadrella (take the field) final-leg lottery.

This is not sensible.

....... there are problems with the administration of RVL .....  whatever is passing for respecting some unique victorian-culture, is just wrecking its racing industry.

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« 2020-Apr-18, 07:24 PM Reply #515 »


A PREDICTABLY DISGRACEFUL DISPLAY OF FOOLS-GOLD ON VOBIS DAY AT CAULFIELD

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« 2020-Apr-18, 08:25 PM Reply #516 »
Well Pete, i was alive in the last leg with 3 runners going for me

Why weren’t you?


The dividends being  74k, 19k & 11k .

I was overjoyed to have 3 big paying tickets. Sadly, the last leg didn’t fall my way but I got plenty of joy out of the bet, especially with the post looming

Joy, do you know what that is?

Granted the last leg was a blow out but if you had an ounce of punting nous you may have been alive like I was

The big dividends are what people want but don’t demand.  thats the beauty of the quaddie

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« 2020-Apr-18, 10:50 PM Reply #517 »

Putting aside that and Race1 --  [14 low-grade starters over the notoriously unfair 1400m course] -- the next 3 races are acceptably-sized with odds-on favourites likely to win  -- ahead of an early quadrella (take the field) final-leg lottery.


This is absolute peak-Mair.

The three "odds-on faves all likely to win" LOST, and the final leg lottery was won by the 13/4 favourite.


Karma for an absolute germ.

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« 2020-Apr-19, 10:48 AM Reply #518 »
I'd say that's one that has got away Wily...and a big one!....being the video watcher that you are.

You know the day on the punt is not going to go well when you have barely looked at the fields and think you've got the Quinella 3 times on the 2nd in Adelaide, only to discover you haven't clicked the submit  :o

Walked into the room with my account on $0 just as the Fiorente filly, Florent walks across the screen........'.big finish from this girl last start' declares Clint Hutchinson.......so I went and had a look......can we call them big finishes in both her last runs or just getting ready for this race and the bonuses?........whatever .......$61
Thanks Clint and thanks TAB for a bonus bet .......talk about getting your nose down right on the line.


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« 2020-Apr-19, 11:49 AM Reply #519 »

SUNDAY-CLUTCHERS LOOKING FOR  STRAWS

A small cohort of 'Sunday-clutchers' blindly defends an RVL hell-bent on degrading their racing -- and bringing racing more generaly into disrepute.

Lets have some comments on Wednesday, clutchers.

As well as myself, any Blind Freddy could see on Wednesday what was likely on Saturday.

Talk about a looming disaster -- consider the main quadrella races scheduled for Saturday.

What do you think will happen  - immature horses, inflated fields, vobis-only horses, soft track?


It was a race meeting that should not have been held -- and should not be ever again -- it made a mockery of  state-selfishness underwriting a Vobis scheme and its profligate waste of punters money on low-grade racing.

Let there be no mistake about what happened, predictably:  it was....

                       A DISGRACEFUL DISPLAY OF FOOLS-GOLD ON VOBIS DAY

Quadddies paying $50k and $200k along with a couple of F4s paying 55k and 80k underlines the corruption.

I will now have a look at what the racing media men have to say by way of explanation.




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« 2020-Apr-19, 12:03 PM Reply #520 »
And where was the soft track Peter?
Have to say the Caulfield track played very well......not a lot of softness about it.


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« 2020-Apr-19, 12:40 PM Reply #521 »
Stop lying.

Quit re-writing history to suit your perverted needs.

Stop telling blatant lies.


This is what you spurt post-event, claiming YOU and EVERYBODY ELSE could see how things would pan out.


As well as myself, any Blind Freddy could see on Wednesday what was likely on Saturday.


This is what you said pre-event, before your three 'good things' LOST and the supposed lottery race was won by the FAVOURITE.


Putting aside that and Race1 --  [14 low-grade starters over the notoriously unfair 1400m course] -- the next 3 races are acceptably-sized with odds-on favourites likely to win  -- ahead of an early quadrella (take the field) final-leg lottery.


Lies to suit.

About time you hopped on a cruise ship I think.

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« 2020-Apr-19, 12:53 PM Reply #522 »
SUNDAY-CLUTCHERS LOOKING FOR  STRAWS

A small cohort of 'Sunday-clutchers' blindly defends an RVL hell-bent on degrading their racing -- and bringing racing more generaly into disrepute.

Lets have some comments on Wednesday, clutchers.

You’re the Wednesday’ clutcher. Constantly throwing mud that often proves misguided. You were wrong again this week

As well as myself, any Blind Freddy could see on Wednesday what was likely on Saturday.

Well, you couldn’t.  your odds on favs got rolled as expected by those of us who do form. You clearly just looked at names and odds and got your arse whipped as you deserved


Talk about a looming disaster -- consider the main quadrella races scheduled for Saturday.

What do you think will happen  - immature horses, inflated fields, vobis-only horses, soft track?


Well, I was alive in the quaddy and my $32 selection was showing a 74k dividend. A bloody shame I was nutted on the post.
According to you my long shots should not have run. They were only long shots thanks to morons like you not doing form  :lol:


It was a race meeting that should not have been held -- and should not be ever again -- it made a mockery of  state-selfishness underwriting a Vobis scheme and its profligate waste of punters money on low-grade racing.


Well Peter, you proved a dunce in your role with the industry. Isn’t that why you were moved on?
Thank god given your drivel



Let there be no mistake about what happened, predictably:  it was....

                       A DISGRACEFUL DISPLAY OF FOOLS-GOLD ON VOBIS DAY

Quadddies paying $50k and $200k along with a couple of F4s paying 55k and 80k underlines the corruption.

Envy is a disease peter. Improve yourself

I will now have a look at what the racing media men have to say by way of explanation.

Really  :lol:  you’ve constantly refused to enter into form discussion with anyone here. You spew you brain farts and run away

Who are these media people you wish to discuss things with? Do you think they’ll give your brain farts the time of day?
  :lol:



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« 2020-Apr-19, 01:47 PM Reply #523 »
Pre race proof is in the pudding

Peter my thread ONLY looked at fields of 12 or more.


Absolutely every bet type mentioned ended in profits - EVERYTHING.


It did not matter if it was favourites or roughies or win bets or place bets or exactas.

Hopefully we wont see any more of your blatantly wrong drivel about big fields again.

You have been shown to be comprehensively wrong with before the race tips.

This also leaves your claims of after the race experts wrong as well.

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« 2020-Apr-19, 08:03 PM Reply #524 »


The racing media men did not seem to have anything substantial to say:

Racenet ducked with Vobis Gold day looked tough on paper and that’s how it played out

To their credit Punters.com.au  voted correctly early --

This is an absolute nightmare of a race.............This is arguably even harder (than race five) in what is a challenging start for quaddie players............. a near-impossible affair.

As we know the racing media men are now fitted with virus masks -- as well as the usual blinkers, tongue ties and, retrospectively, blindfolds.

........... back at the ranch

..............a self-identifying cheer-squad cohort -- of four -- supporting RVL -- must be very rich ...... they mine gold on the good days and the worst days ...... never a losing day...... incredible.........unbelievable.



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