Inflated fields – assessing the consequences about to unfold - Racing Talk - Racehorse TALK harm-plan harm-plan

Racehorse TALK



Inflated fields – assessing the consequences about to unfold - Racing Talk - Racehorse TALK

Author Topic: Inflated fields – assessing the consequences about to unfold  (Read 111310 times)

1 Member and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Online fours

  • Group 1
  • User 704
  • Posts: 6987
« 2020-Jun-02, 10:59 PM Reply #700 »
Peter,

You have been given lots of pre race examples -lots and lots.

You are a total idiot as you ignore them completely and say the same bullshit regardless - only an idiot would fail to realise this is why the got rid of you by legislation.

Fours

Online wily ole dog

  • Group 1
  • User 218
  • Posts: 27827
« 2020-Jun-03, 07:31 AM Reply #701 »
The extent they had to go to to get rid of the nutjob tells us how hopeless he was in his role.
A total failure reduced to spewing his crap to a handful of people on an Internet forum   :lol:

Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-03, 07:53 PM Reply #702 »


Bookmakers' birthday weekend -- get the presents ready

It is Wednesday and the 'acceptances' crystal-ball is he

https://racingaustralia.horse/home.aspx?standard=true

First renew the faith in being warned  -- the 'dividends' declared for today's races are at tab.com.au

As for Saturday ------ at Flemington .....there are 4 races to be run over the 1400m course ....including the two last legs of a main quadrella --------- the lead ups are over 1600 and 2500......all chocka-block fields with many runners that should not be there based on pre-post odds.

........ and 'best of British' in Brisbane....... a G1 over 1400 for 18 2yros is a puzzle not to be pondered ahead of the go-for-broke feature for another 18.

Those wrapping presents might sensibly prefer to use the purple plastic rather than the sickly green which will reflect the faces of punters at day's end.

......... thoughts and prayers punters.



Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-06, 09:37 PM Reply #703 »


Is the penny starting to drop?

Online fours

  • Group 1
  • User 704
  • Posts: 6987
« 2020-Jun-06, 09:46 PM Reply #704 »
Peter,

How could the penny possibly drop?

You failed to tell us which ones should not be in the field - not even which part of the market you were referring to.

Had a marvellous day myself depsite your lack of guidance.

Fours

Online wily ole dog

  • Group 1
  • User 218
  • Posts: 27827
« 2020-Jun-07, 07:54 AM Reply #705 »

Is the penny starting to drop?

It appears it isn’t. I tipped you into Creedence and you therefore you should have got a % of that lovely quaddy divv

Your a fool, go away

Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-08, 06:59 PM Reply #706 »


The 'penny' has dropped for me in relation to Melbourne metropolitan-racing


RVL oversaw another shocker at Flemington -- the four races with inflated fields over the 'unfair' 1400 m returned F4 dividends of $18k, 7k, 5k and 6k --  a 'quadrella' on these four races would have returned some $25k+.

Mal-administration by RVL so consistently at this level, and with such unfavourable consequences for most punters,   is surely a basis for a formal inquiry -- one like the banking royal commission where RVL is required to provide the 'collated facts' about what has happened since 'rewarding 10th' started --- and explain its acceptability as an industry policy under probing questioning.


Online wily ole dog

  • Group 1
  • User 218
  • Posts: 27827
« 2020-Jun-08, 07:03 PM Reply #707 »
So the answer is no, you didn’t find Creedence  :lol:

Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-08, 07:20 PM Reply #708 »

Victorian racing ministers

I have no idea why the current racing minister does not intervene to arrest the collapse of the credibility of Victorian racing following the inflated-fields initiative.

.................my fears were reinforced with this insight from the shadow minister who will be 'in waiting' for a very long time

Victoria’s shadow Racing Minister Tim Bull says racing in the state is currently “a million miles behind NSW” thanks to the government dragging its feet on lifting coronavirus restrictions.

........ the COVID has nothing to do with the failure of RVL

Online wily ole dog

  • Group 1
  • User 218
  • Posts: 27827
« 2020-Jun-08, 07:25 PM Reply #709 »


........ the COVID has nothing to do with the failure of RVL


Neither has anything you have asserted

Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-08, 07:25 PM Reply #710 »


..............you didn’t find Creedence


The idea that you would get two right in two weeks leaves me incredulous... well done.

Please start a 'wily's tips' thread and I will follow it.


Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-08, 07:30 PM Reply #711 »


Mourningtown today ............... a new low benchmark for RVL


https://www.tab.com.au/racing/2020-06-08/MORNINGTON/MOR/R/4/Win

Online wily ole dog

  • Group 1
  • User 218
  • Posts: 27827
« 2020-Jun-08, 07:35 PM Reply #712 »
Hey peter, why not contribute your thoughts to this thread


http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/racing-talk/jackals-top-10-horses/new/?topicseen#new



Offline Jeunes

  • VIP Club
  • Group 2
  • User 296
  • Posts: 4289
« 2020-Jun-08, 07:42 PM Reply #713 »

..............you didn’t find Creedence


The idea that you would get two right in two weeks leaves me incredulous... well done.

Please start a 'wily's tips' thread and I will follow it.

Pete why don’t you have a head to head tipping competition v Wily?

Each pick 4 horses every Saturday and a mythical $10 each way on it.

The selections run for 13 weeks.

If you win, I will chuck a $50 quaddie on for you the week after plus you get unfettered bragging rights.

If Wily wins, you have to not post till the MC is run and won.

Online wily ole dog

  • Group 1
  • User 218
  • Posts: 27827
« 2020-Jun-08, 07:47 PM Reply #714 »
Jeunes, we’ve done that a few times already, on the stand-alone meetings in Melb.
Peter has yet to have a victory over me :thumbsup:

Offline HarmersHaven

  • Listed
  • User 1861
  • Posts: 248
« 2020-Jun-08, 07:51 PM Reply #715 »

If Wily wins, you have to not post till the MC is run and won.

Just to be crystal clear here, Jeunes' "MC" being referred to is the 'Mars Cup', run on the planet Mars post-colonization.

Offline Jeunes

  • VIP Club
  • Group 2
  • User 296
  • Posts: 4289
« 2020-Jun-08, 08:02 PM Reply #716 »
Jeunes, we’ve done that a few times already, on the stand-alone meetings in Melb.
Peter has yet to have a victory over me :thumbsup:

Just to be crystal clear here, Jeunes' "MC" being referred to is the 'Mars Cup', run on the planet Mars post-colonization.

C’mon Wily give him a chance like a handicap. Make it 3 tips to his 4.

Harmer, I don’t think Mars Cup will work.   :lol:  Melbourne Cup will give us a break from the usual Victorian and NSW Racing bashing we have to endure.

Pete take the challenge.

Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-08, 10:02 PM Reply #717 »


Against me, natioinally, I would back the wily-one,

 -- against Monty........in Sydney ...... I would back Monty.

I would not expect either to win ---just Monty to lose less.


Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-08, 10:08 PM Reply #718 »


Inflated fields


The issue here is about inflated fields ..... and fixed-odds bookmaker exclusions .......and the consequences for most punters.


.......proper disclosure of these consequences would say ....'limit field sizes to qualified runners'.




Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-09, 08:48 PM Reply #719 »


Inflated-fields and too-wide barriers bring fairness undone

It is easy to be wise after the event, but, in hindsight, the extreme outside barrier draw probably sealed Dawn Passage’s fate.

..............stewards reports are full of 'unable to get a run' ............ stop this nonsense!



Offline sobig

  • Group 2
  • User 583
  • Posts: 3793
« 2020-Jun-09, 09:13 PM Reply #720 »
You do realise that the winner started 2 from the outside.

Offline Villa

  • Class2
  • User 2902
  • Posts: 22
« 2020-Jun-09, 09:35 PM Reply #721 »
Shouldn’t be any issues with runners getting a fair crack at Canterbury tomorrow. An embarrassing 6 races for a Metropolitan Mid Week meeting.

R1 - 9 Runners
R2 - 10
R3 - 7
R4 - 9
R5 - 9
R6 - 10

By your reckoning, every Fav should be saluting


Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-09, 09:45 PM Reply #722 »

.......anything can happen

The problem 'sobig' is that once the dice are cast ......anything can happen ....... go for broke from wide, with a light weight..... take a sit and hope the others go too-fast ...... once the egg is scrambled it is winner take all......and the inflated field lets loose a random element that confounds the outcome.

The unfairness has compounding effects .. on trainers... on jockeys.... on owners ..............on sire records........and on and on

............. at its heart the field inflation is about 'funding' -- mainly funding of other races that should not be run.....and attendant sheltered-workshop participants that Australian racing is as a racket self-serving state politicians in rural electorates ..... all again compounded by state-v.-state in a nation that has one-third of one-per-cent of the people on the planet ...............

.....disappointment looms ............in an industry runs as a ponzi scheme............ new players with too-much money are seduced into funding the takers.


Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-10, 12:20 PM Reply #723 »

Online Peter Mair

  • Group 1
  • User 326
  • Posts: 5561
« 2020-Jun-11, 07:23 PM Reply #724 »


It is Wednesday -- too-many have been 'accepted' to run (for 10th) on Saturday

............ punters money will be running from their careful fingers to the slippery fingers of rebate-taking syndicates and fixed-odds providers of transfer facilities to 'known losers'.

                                 https://racingaustralia.horse/home.aspx?standard=true

...........check-out the menus .......... know that you will get ripped again.... even Sydney might defy Monty.


BACK TO ALL TOPICS
Sitemap