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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Sep-23, 03:56 PM Reply #975 »
 
Prepare the mind for Saturday (second thoughts)

The fields in both Sydney and Melbourne on Saturday are inflated with long-priced 'no-hoper' Bradburys ......and that will confound those that base bets on exposed form.

Mercifully, in Sydney, the hwy-rob race is the always-should-be first race and can be ignored.

In Melbourne 'second thoughts' confirm the 'first' ......... it will be a brutal day for punters  ........... two over 1400 for too-many 3yros will disrupt the main quadrella .......... Race 2 over 1400 has 16 to start and will compromise the early quadrella .............  possibly the wet track will reflect in scratchings .......... a help to punters.

..... why do racing administrators not respect most of their customers ........ they just take advantage of their addiction .......... an affliction of the older passing cohorts ........ and a turn-off for the younger set.


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« 2020-Sep-23, 06:25 PM Reply #976 »

Flemington today -- why do punters put up with blatant maladministration?

Consider today....... in NSW the quaddie paid $75,000 ....the component F4s paid 20k, 50k, 8k and 27k.

............ promoting racing of such low-grade rubbish is a sad reflection of 'once-was-great' administration ..the envy of the world.

...... can't wait for Saturday .... suggest we all wait for Sunday and be pleased we did not bet much.

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« 2020-Sep-23, 06:46 PM Reply #977 »
Didn't want to run with what the Home Tote paid on their own racing product ($41k), or did that not suit your agenda at almost half of your headline amount?

You're really starting to slip in your slithering, devious ways old chum - I'm actually disappointed you didn't quote the $80k dividend in QLD.

Zero jackpot components in all three states. I'd hazard a guess that the top-end dividends have more to do with (smaller) pool-size mechanics and non-Vic acceptance of the Quadrella bet type (over generations) than anything else.

11.1 winning tickets in VIC
1.5 winning tickets in NSW
1.2 winning tickets in QLD

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« 2020-Sep-23, 08:15 PM Reply #978 »
Didn't want to run with what the Home Tote paid on their own racing product ($41k), or did that not suit your agenda at almost half of your headline amount?

You're really starting to slip in your slithering, devious ways old chum - I'm actually disappointed you didn't quote the $80k dividend in QLD.




😱Mair dishonesties.....who would have thunk it  :lol:   :lol:

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« 2020-Sep-23, 09:00 PM Reply #979 »


Such very cheap shots do not reflect well on the pullers of triggers ....... et al

................ where ever one looked it was lotto dividends .............. a disgraceful day at once-was-'headquarters' 

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« 2020-Sep-23, 09:07 PM Reply #980 »
Great days racing. Could have been massive if Gamay  saluted at the stupid overs that they bet.

Mind you some moron would have wanted it scratched due to the big price   :lol:   :lol:

Thatís easier than doing some form isnít it peter   :tin:

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« 2020-Sep-24, 09:40 PM Reply #981 »

What a dog

Why would a dog .............that only responds to a masters voice ........... so berate a master ......... on cue, daily.

.............whatever his master says ............... is knee-jerk denied ............. that's a very  sick dog!

.................... all suggests the dog is a plant for racing authorities ...... and what he posts becomes a criminal offense.

I will shortly ask  forum administrators to un-mask this dog .....so he can be prosecuted for defamation of a known person ..........having being told clearly that what he posts is not correct, and is routinely defamatory.

....... masked kkk crusaders ......pursuing offensive  campaigns ..... can be made accountable.


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« 2020-Sep-24, 10:03 PM Reply #982 »

 ..........having being told clearly that what he posts is not correct


Pot, kettle  :whistle:

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« 2020-Sep-24, 11:38 PM Reply #983 »
Actually Peter,

You can be accused very seriously of harrassment given that you opened the door.

Posting the same things week in and week out is a form of bullying.

If anyone asks the adminsitrators to put a stop to something it is you that will be in the firing line.

You have been fired before.

There is a reason for that.

Dogs learn lessons - why can't you?

Fours

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« 2020-Sep-25, 08:42 AM Reply #984 »
No peter, Iím not an insider Iím just a bloke responding to your nonsense

The fact you donít like being challenged and called out is on you and you lack of character. Proven by your refusal to debate what is put in front of you

As fours said you can be accused, very seriously, of harrassment given that you opened the door.

Posting the same things week in and week out is bullying.

Especially in a social forum that is designed for debate on racing issues.

Your repetitive posting is designed to provoke anger and frustration.

Own your own behaviour before attacking others :bulb:

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« 2020-Sep-27, 06:01 PM Reply #985 »
After getting it comprehensively wrong at he Valley on a Friday night itís no surprise Mair  is MIA today.

Yesterday he was wrong again. So far wrong itís sad.

9 races and the longest winner was a 3rd favourite

Punters overjoyed with the day :clap2: :clap2:

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Sep-28, 07:25 PM Reply #986 »



DO NOT BE FOOLED BY SEEING ONE-SWALLOW

Forum readers know about the relationship between sighting 'one swallow' and 'summer' not being imminent.

I was pleased that the racing, in Melbourne, on Friday night and Saturday ran true to form ........... after just missing the B6 at the Vale .........it was pleasing to get a bit of both the B6 and the Quadrella on Saturday.

September (and February) were long. the best months to bet in Melbourne.

That is as it should be, routinely was ........ for decades ..... before the fields were stacked with runners, over-paid to run 10th, that should not have been accepted to clutter up the field at all .......starters over 20/1 at post-time are not there to win ..and should be scratched.

............. no criticism is ever made by me unless I have done the form and placed my bets  .. but was then left feeling robbed by 'rough-results' caused by inflated fields.

I was pleased to win ................ not disappointed that my fears were not realized.......... as they usually are ....... do not forget that the  F4 dividend for Race3, a BM 84 over 2000m, with 15 running paid $115k on VICTAB and $40K on the NSW TAB.

In short, do not be fooled,  inflated fields are illustrative of the administrative corruption of racing industry policy............. a deliberate structuring of racing product to make it detrimental to most punters.




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« 2020-Sep-28, 11:30 PM Reply #987 »
So you warn  every one to stay away but you then take big6s and quaddies

Youíre as weak and dishonest as they come :bulb:

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« 2020-Sep-29, 07:12 AM Reply #988 »

.....addicts cannot 'stay away'

My identification of predictably rough results, when inflated fields are accepted to run,  is more a helpful suggestion for addicted punters -- like myself -- to bet less, and little, rather than not to bet at all.

If the day passes and I have not had a bet ......... then that day was not a Saturday.

I also consider it important to have a stake in the races nominated to be 'rough' on punters.

Looking ahead, the low BM racing scheduled for Friday at the Vale will be rough on punters......... similarly the portents are for the early races at Flemington on Saturday to be rough ...........  and the prospects for the better races later will depend on the number of runners hoping for 10th.

.....the beneficiaries of inflated-field racing are mainly fixed-odds bookmakers and rebate-taking syndicates ... the industry is not being administered in the interests of most (addicted) customers .... and that should concern those contributing to the policy debate.


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« 2020-Sep-29, 06:07 PM Reply #989 »


Kensington tomorrow -- big fields on a dodgy track

......... addicted I may be but I can draw a line which I will not cross............ and that is the few steps from 'Randwick' to 'Not Randwick'.

Why 'connections' run horses on this track is not a mystery ............... it is surely because the races become raffles.

..............as usual beware of Melbourne mid-weeks .......... not least races at smellarat.

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« 2020-Sep-29, 09:15 PM Reply #990 »
Well peter, you got it completely wrong last time they raced at the Kenso.

Good chance you will again :thumbsup:

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« 2020-Sep-30, 08:38 PM Reply #991 »


Flemington on Saturday looms looms as a shocker for most punters


Inflated fields with too many no-hopers aspiring for 10th .............. a no go day.

............. bet in Sydney ........ it is grand-final day there.

[Todays Kenso outcomes posted another 'close the track' letter to RNSW administrators.]


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« 2020-Oct-03, 06:28 PM Reply #992 »

.....and so it came to pass............. right off the money

                            Flemington on Saturday looms looms as a shocker for most punters

Any lingering thought that inflated-field racing does not disadvantage most punters was put to rest.

Races 3&8 over the notorious 1400 had F4s of $14,000 and $50,000............. Race 7 ........ $40,000 ........ the main quadrella paid $9,000 ............. Monty did not get much right ............ and that reflects badly on RVL........ no on Monty.

The contrast with Sydney could not have been more stark .......... Monty included the winner of every race ............ including the quadrella races ........... his 3rd, 4th,4th and 1st selections returned some $4,500.

............. looking ahead Sydney racing goes off the boil .... attention shifts to Melbourne ........

........................what used to be the best racing in the world for some six weeks has now become a sad disappointment ............ with the possible exception of Derby Day ............ a dud carnival written in the blackest of black ink for Cup Day and most races run over the carnival with inflated fields.

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« 2020-Oct-04, 06:34 AM Reply #993 »
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Races 3&8 over the notorious 1400 had F4s of $14,000 and $50,000............. Race 7 ........ $40,000 ........ the main quadrella paid $9,000 ............. Monty did not get much right ............ and that reflects badly on RVL........ no on Monty.



Well, Peter

I suggest you stop following the dud known as mounty. It appears you are more focused on mounting him than winning on the punt
It reflects badly on you, not RVL

R3, I had all four placegetters in my tips with the $15 winner selected in first🤗

Ditto, R7 where I even have the Bonny little girl, Toffee Tongue in my numbers @ $14 the place. Had all 4 of them again🤪

R8. Sadly I didnít find the winner but the $41 second placegetter was my on top select

I can talk you through the rest of the card, if you like?

I suggest you stop mounting old monty. Heís off the pace, as you confirmed 8-)


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« 2020-Oct-04, 07:05 AM Reply #994 »



Simply unbeatable, again ----- and certainly not too good to be true, again

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« 2020-Oct-04, 07:17 AM Reply #995 »
Oh poor Peter.
I was certainly beatable but through my own actions. I donít blame anyone else


Now, man up. Are you doubting me again or running for cover?

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« 2020-Oct-04, 08:02 AM Reply #996 »
Come on Pete.
You haven't run for cover again have you?

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« 2020-Oct-04, 08:47 AM Reply #997 »


................... integrity undoubted and beyond question!

Online wily ole dog

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« 2020-Oct-04, 09:18 AM Reply #998 »
Well, there you go. It wasnít that hard was it  :lol:


Iím glad you didnít want to go the other way ;)

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« 2020-Oct-08, 07:07 PM Reply #999 »

Modest fields with few chances: What could possibly go wrong on Saturday at Caulfield?

We will see -- but, hopefully, not. A problem is that  wide disparities in the pre-post SP odds will see punters piling on to  'standouts' ....... on a track known for bringing immature newcomers undone.

It is pleasing, or perhaps not, to see a corporate-bookmaker, NEDS, sponsoring three of the major races.........

and the NEDS tips align with others in offering the prospect of a can't-lose day.

Corporates have been major beneficiaries of RVL policies inflating race fields with the cluttering no-hopers that routinely compromise fair racing,   policies ensuring 'rough results' that bring most punters undone while underwriting corporate profiteering off selected' loser-only' customers.

...... the post-mortem will be instructive ..............


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