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Online Gintara

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« 2021-Nov-07, 09:00 AM Reply #1375 »

BET WITH MATES -- LET MATES SHARE THE POOL


Racing administrators are hell bent on the inflated-field racing that makes 'winning' impossible for the most-punter set.

Sportsbet is concurrently promoting, to 'mates', a marketing strategy that will feed off a difference of opinion among 'mates' in a group.

...... the question arises, if the mates are collectively destined to lose when betting with a bookmaker, why not just leave the 'mates pool' on the table ..and share it back according to who got closest.

.... enjoy the race .......... walk away with some not none........... .and save the takeout tax into the bargain.

Clearly you don't have mates  :chin:

I'm sure we've all got that mate in the group, no matter how wide the circle is would be jealous that one of his 'mates' walks away with 'his' cash  :bulb:

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« 2021-Nov-07, 09:05 AM Reply #1376 »
Can the bloke invent any more scenarios to fit his push to get employed in the industry?



Oh & Peter, the disaster you predicted with the quaddies didnít happen again with divvies of $380 & $890


Come on Pete, get something right will you  :lol:
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« 2021-Nov-07, 03:31 PM Reply #1377 »


MATES RATES BETTING IS HANDICAPPED


In the normal course, most-punters will find the going hard betting on the 'standalones' for the two next Saturdays at Cranbourne, Newcastle, Ballaratt and Kembla.

Regional clubs, offered a day in the racing sunlight, cannot help themselves in going for broke with inflated-field programs that will burn most punters.

Most-punters cannot help themselves ------- diligently doing the form before betting on the assumption that the races will be run fairly.

When it is unlikely that the races will actually run fairly, doing the form will usually be a waste of time.

Shaping up to a standalone day, a good strategy for a few mates in a pub would be to keep the 'pool' in-house and share the proceeds based on the relative success of their selections.

Sadly, even on days when they know that they are all most likely to lose, the mates still give all the money away.

............. and Gintara is probably right ... someone would be jealous that one of his 'mates' walks away with 'his' cash .......... even so a few mates should be able to cope with a trial over the next two Saturdays.

It would be  a wise move.

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« 2021-Nov-07, 05:55 PM Reply #1378 »


2020 HINDSIGHT

In case you were wondering.

............. last year the $ million races ............. The Hunter and The Gong ... had F4 outcomes of $34,000 and $107,000 .......the Ballarat Cup $30,000 (..........on a day when the quadrella SPs were 20/20/6/8 ...and the Q paid $26,000 in NSW.)

The next two weeks are important to the concepts of both 'pop up' races and 'regional standalones'.

If they are to be run .......the deal has to be fair to most-punters.

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[ ....detailed TAB dividend results for past years are limited to the previous year ....and VICTAB shows less than TABNSW .............. if there is another source for longer past TAB outcomes I would be interested to have the link, please.]


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« 2021-Nov-07, 06:03 PM Reply #1379 »
Peter,

Thise divs were great last year! It is in fact what most ppunters want.

You are alone in your mental illness.

Fours

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« 2021-Nov-07, 07:46 PM Reply #1380 »
Notice he again was as weak as puss and refused to address yesterdayís pathetically skinny quad divvies  :lol:

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« 2021-Nov-09, 06:03 PM Reply #1381 »

DOES ANYONE WANT TO BET AGAINST 'DEJA VU' OUTCOMES ON 20 NOVEMBER?

Looking beyond the Cranbourne/Newcstle warm up this coming Saturday........... the 'futures market' is open for the Kembla & Ballarat meetings on Saturday 20 November.

The following posted last year in the lead up to these meetings is nominated as the bet to beat this year.

Whatever the outcome on 20 November, the stuff to keep your ears and eyes on over the next 10 days is the overhyped marketing nonsense likely to flow from racing administrators and the 'independent' print and broadcast racing media men.

It is no good complaining 'we wuz robbed' on Sunday 21 November ........ the time to decide to not bet on these race meetings is now.

................ if you need help with that decision ...... pay attention on Saturday ... to the race outcomes at the Cranbourne and Newcastle 'standalones' / 'standwellaways'.

This industry needs to be made accountable.

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......... last year this was shockingly prophetic [quadrellas at Kembla and Smellerat paid 2.6k, 14k, 14k and 27k]

WALLET WRESTLING ON SATURDAY: HAPLESS PUNTERS v. INDUSTRY TAG TEAM

Regional stand-alone race meetings are inevitably low-grade affairs ......and gilding one lily on a program does not make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

A probably shameful day's racing is scheduled for both Kembla and Ballarat on Saturday.

The probability is underwritten by shamelessly inflated fields that will bring most punters undone.

That probability has not restrained for one moment a shameful display of promotional hype from a 'press-ganged' racing media corp............. all coordinated by industry administrators, regional race clubs in for a cut, race broadcasters and race sponsors, including bookmakers, salivating at the prospect of cleaning up again.



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« 2021-Nov-09, 06:32 PM Reply #1382 »
Youíve been on a hell of a long losing streak Pete.
Can one of your predictions actually come to fruition this week?

Highly unlikely but keep throwing darts old man  :lol:

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« 2021-Nov-10, 05:57 PM Reply #1383 »


Looking easy:  only a few chances in the pre-post markets for both Cranbourne and Newcastle


                                ................. when temptation calls ......... giving in is the easy option for never-learners.

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« 2021-Nov-11, 06:05 PM Reply #1384 »


Inflated-fielders get set.................... warm up on Friday at the 'Vale' and the 'Bury'

                      ............. how many most-punters will remember the 'do not ever' lessons from last year?

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« 2021-Nov-11, 06:24 PM Reply #1385 »
Peter,

Dont worry we all still totally ignore the rubbish you spout and bet happily into those rcaes.

Fours

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« 2021-Nov-11, 06:30 PM Reply #1386 »
Itís progressed from rubbish to lies over the years and makes him look rather dishonest

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« 2021-Nov-11, 06:52 PM Reply #1387 »

Inflated fields --  an argument I want to lose

Thank you 'fours' ........ on the basis that you are one of the most-punter set and not a predator.

With that proviso, your betting 'happily into those races' is my primary objective ............... when you are, so will I be ............. it is the destroyed confidence in the form that I want restored to most-punters.

...... the next couple of days will tell a story ......... hopefully it will not be a general story of 'lost and still running' when the races are over.

Who thinks RVL and RNSW have suddenly discovered 'product quality' ?

Who thinks smart connections have worked out to win $1 million races?  .. we will see.

.................over the next two weeks --- not getting lost in running will be a test for favourites in inflated fields.


................. BE CAREFUL!


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« 2021-Nov-12, 08:36 PM Reply #1388 »


................... can't lose at Cranbourne?


Based on the tipsters consensus, I will be red faced after casting aspersions on the Cranbourne-standalone.

I look forward to being so.

Depending on what Monty suggests, I will bet (modestly) to endorse the mainstream tipsters consensus.

[Newcastle is another matter entirely -- DON'T]

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« 2021-Nov-13, 04:53 PM Reply #1389 »
DOES ANYONE WANT TO BET AGAINST 'DEJA VU' OUTCOMES ON 20 NOVEMBER?


. to the race outcomes at the Cranbourne and Newcastle 'standalones' / 'standwellaways'.

This industry needs to be made accountable.


Well, talking about accountability  :whistle:

You were wrong again Peter.

Punters certainly didnít stay away. The  Cranbourne quaddy a paltry $331

Perhaps you should stay away from the keyboard

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« 2021-Nov-13, 07:24 PM Reply #1390 »

................ always happy to be wrong about my expectations

Not least ............ when I am wrong it means the administrators have put on a fair go ............ are they learning or not?

Fairly, my account has a zero balance tonight ......... it will be my turn next Saturday.



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« 2021-Nov-13, 07:44 PM Reply #1391 »
Oh, you were wrong in Newcastle as well Peter

Own it  :lol:

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« 2021-Nov-16, 05:02 PM Reply #1392 »


Rosehill tomorrow

..................... why bother 'doing the form' for such low-rated and inflated-field races?

https://www.racenet.com.au/form-guide/horse-racing/rosehill-gardens-20211117/all-races

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« 2021-Nov-16, 07:14 PM Reply #1393 »
Peter, letís see if you can answer a few questions

1.Why do you continue to regurgitate the same themes on a forum where no seems to agree with you

2.given the foot traffic on this forum is negligible why do believe you will achieve anything

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« 2021-Nov-16, 07:46 PM Reply #1394 »

An international dimension to inflated field racing?

............. it crossed my mind that the deception of inflated-field racing had international dimensions,  beyond Australia (and Hong Kong).

Calling up race-fields in Europe, it seems that it does  -- today, prizemoney is being paid down to running 8th at mid-week meetings in the UK and France.

One may well ask ... 'why is it so'? ............. one may then consider the possibility that corporate bookmakers, operating internationally, may have input into policy making in different national jurisdictions.

That possibility begs the question of what national racing administrators are getting in return for corrupting the expectation of fair, form-based, race outcomes.

Presumably the administrators are getting higher takeout fees based on inflated turnover ......... but that would raise issues about fair-shares with additional financial feedback from the 'rampant-raking' bookmakers revelling in 'skinners' from rough-results .

................. how does the money flow ......... open and above board race sponsorships?

..... as for a clue, the last time I went to Longchamp, entry was free and the whole day of  heavy black-type racing was sponsored by a global stable.

There may well be more to an international story.


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« 2021-Nov-17, 02:40 PM Reply #1395 »
Peter, letís see if you can answer a few questions

1.Why do you continue to regurgitate the same themes on a forum where no seems to agree with you

2.given the foot traffic on this forum is negligible why do believe you will achieve anything


Geez Peter who would have thought you couldnít answer a couple of questions   :lol:

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« 2021-Nov-18, 08:16 PM Reply #1396 »

Saturday's standaways .. last year was last year .... this year is this year


........ think carefully .......... last year the outcomes at the Gong and Ballarat were, for most punters, the worst on could imagine .............. lotto like quadrellas and first4s.

                              https://www.tab.com.au/racing/2020-11-21/KEMBLA-GRANGE/S/R/9

                              https://www.tab.com.au/racing/2020-11-21/BALLARAT/M/R/10/Win


This year is this year ............... do you fancy yourself?

Don't take your wallet to town.


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« 2021-Nov-19, 09:16 PM Reply #1397 »


............. be warned ............. tonight at the Vale of Tears was just a warm up

........... quadrellas paying 9k and 5k ............. a couple of F4s paying 50k and 60k ..... and a commentator signing off with 'how good was tonight' ..............

Just wait for tomorrow ............... wait nowhere near an opportunity to put a bet on .............. leave the phone at home ................ go and see "No Time to Bet" ..... it is good ..............

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« 2021-Nov-21, 08:10 PM Reply #1398 »


.................. talk about smell-a-rat racing

............ RVL just keeps digging the hole deeper ............. even Racing Queensland has a whiff of a win as RVL goes for broke.

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« 2021-Nov-23, 08:16 PM Reply #1399 »


What do the Chairman and CEO of RVL think about the consequenses of the 'infated-field racing' that RVL presents?


Has it been good for most-punters?

Has it delivered a windfall for 'corporate bookmakers' betting fixed-odds?

Has there been any independent accountability to the general community for the consequences of inflated-field racing?

Considering the long-term, will it be good for Victorian racing to, accept to race, and then pay $3,000 for 'roughies' to run 10th while impeding the chances of genuine contenders.?

[ ....... a rare chance to endorse a Richie Rich remark ..

I keep hearing about the amazing leadership of -- RVL -  well gentleman here is your chance to stand up and make a decision that is fair and in the best interest of racing.]



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