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Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2020-Jun-13, 01:07 AM Reply #550 »
Wonderful horse. One of the very best. Some great memories - good and bad. His close defeat of Sunline in the Caulfield Stakes. That Australian Cup. His Caulfield Guineas win. A couple of poor rides come to mind where the jockey badly misjudged the pace of the race and set him an impossible task.

In fact sticking to the theme of the thread, here are my top 10 Caulfield Guineas winners since I started following racing around the mid-late 70's

Lonhro and Manikato were the two to go on and win the most Group 1's (or in Manikato's case, the most Principal Races) and would be the two I rate the highest.

2019Super Seth (AUS) 2016
2018The Autumn Sun (AUS) 2015
2017Mighty Boss (AUS) 2014
2016Divine Prophet (AUS) 2013
2015Press Statement (AUS) 2012
2014Shooting To Win (AUS) 2011
2013Long John (AUS) 2010
2012All Too Hard (AUS) 2009
2011Helmet (AUS) 2008
2010Anacheeva (AUS) 2007
2009Starspangledbanner (AUS) 2006
2008Whobegotyou (AUS) 2005
2007Weekend Hussler (AUS) 2004
2006Wonderful World (AUS) 2003
2005God's Own (AUS) 2002
2004Econsul (NZ) 2001
2003In Top Swing (AUS) 2000
2002Helenus (AUS) 1999
2001Lonhro (AUS) 1998
2000Show A Heart (AUS) 1997
1999Redoute's Choice (AUS) 1996
1998Kenwood Melody (AUS) 1995
1997Encounter (AUS) 1994
1996Alfa (AUS) 1993
1995Our Maizcay (AUS) 1992
1994St. Covet (AUS) 1991
1993Mahogany (AUS) 1990
1992Palace Reign (AUS) 1989
1991Chortle (AUS) 1988
1990Centro (NZ) 1987
1989Procol Harum (NZ) 1986
1988Vitalic (AUS) 1985
1987Marwong (AUS) 1984
1986Abaridy (AUS) 1983
1985Drawn (AUS) 1982
1984Red Anchor (NZ) 1981
1983Beechcraft (NZ) 1980
1982Grosvenor (NZ) 1979
1981Binbinga (AUS) 1978
1980Sovereign Red (NZ) 1977
1979Runaway Kid (AUS) 1976
1978Manikato (AUS) 1975
1977Luskin Star (AUS) 1974
1976Surround (NZ) 1973

It really is a race of champions and Lonhro was one of the very best. Good race for future sires as well.

Looking through the list of earlier winners you have Artilleryman, Heroic, Ajax, Tulloch, Time And Tide, Storm Queen, Vain.

Notable absentees include Phar Lap and Kingston Town - the King was 3rd to Runaway Kid and Phar Lap had his lead up to the Vic Derby in the Craven Plate beating another champion in Mollison.
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« 2020-Jun-13, 09:34 AM Reply #551 »
What a wonderful race. So so many great horses👍

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« 2020-Jun-13, 09:48 AM Reply #552 »
Hard to disagree with those PP.  Wily is right, so many great horses!

Even looking through the early 70s you add Dual Choice, Sobar and Grand Cidium (which was such a promising horse), then the 60s with the under-appreciated Time and Tide as well as Storm Queen and Vain, while Star Affair (which beat Tobin Bronze) and Rajah Sahib had impressive records. 


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« 2020-Jun-13, 10:26 AM Reply #553 »
The ones that jumped out of the list for me, aside from the obvious champs, were Our Maizcay & Grosvenor

A bloody shame we never saw them as older horses

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« 2020-Jun-14, 12:01 AM Reply #554 »
What about Black Caviar?

She drew next to Here De Angels one day in a Moonee Valley sprint and the connections complained that Here De Angels had bad barrier manners (way overstated) and threatened to scratch BC.

Unbelievably they put Here De Angels to an outside barrier!!


My memory is they left a vacant barrier between the two but didn't alter the order.

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« 2020-Jun-14, 02:23 PM Reply #555 »
My memory is they left a vacant barrier between the two but didn't alter the order.

You are correct, but as the CM report said, it was an extraordinary step - you just don't do that sort of thing.

If you do, then down the track people (like me) have the right to point out the fact she was given favouritism.

STEWARDS have taken the extraordinary step of reallocating the starting gate of noted barrier rogue Here De Angels which will protect champion Black Caviar from potential harm at Moonee Valley.

Here De Angels drew the outside of the five-horse field in Saturday's Group Two Schweppes Stakes (1200m) but will now start in barrier six with an empty gate between him and Black Caviar in barrier four.


https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/steards-shift-starting-gate-of-here-de-angels-to-protect-black-caviar/news-story/2612c4fbc4753f2112b6d49e518154f5

Here De Angels was then trained by Wendy Roche who recently won the Doncaster with her good mare Nettoyer.

HDA ran 2nd to BC beaten 2.25 lengths - one could cynically argue it should have been closer.  ;)


I'm being tough on what we describe as top 10. Top 10 horses are racing in better races than 5 horse G2 MV sprints where the stewards are giving her a leg up  :ph34r:

Luskin Star, Black Caviar - not deserving of top 10 status. Happy to cop discussion otherwise.  :angel:

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« 2020-Jun-14, 02:50 PM Reply #556 »
You are correct, but as the CM report said, it was an extraordinary step - you just don't do that sort of thing.

If you do, then down the track people (like me) have the right to point out the fact she was given favouritism.

STEWARDS have taken the extraordinary step of reallocating the starting gate of noted barrier rogue Here De Angels which will protect champion Black Caviar from potential harm at Moonee Valley.

Here De Angels drew the outside of the five-horse field in Saturday's Group Two Schweppes Stakes (1200m) but will now start in barrier six with an empty gate between him and Black Caviar in barrier four.


https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/steards-shift-starting-gate-of-here-de-angels-to-protect-black-caviar/news-story/2612c4fbc4753f2112b6d49e518154f5

Here De Angels was then trained by Wendy Roche who recently won the Doncaster with her good mare Nettoyer.

HDA ran 2nd to BC beaten 2.25 lengths - one could cynically argue it should have been closer.  ;)


I'm being tough on what we describe as top 10. Top 10 horses are racing in better races than 5 horse G2 MV sprints where the stewards are giving her a leg up  :ph34r:

Luskin Star, Black Caviar - not deserving of top 10 status. Happy to cop discussion otherwise.  :angel:

Funny how you take pot shots at BC etc and then don’t want to discuss Super and Bluey’s issues raised by many on this forum with consistency and  getting regularly beaten by Vo or at set weights or not winning in some states etc. Even Lonhro was weak at times, never won a handicap or a Cox Plate, or raced over 2400m but considered a champion by miler / middle distance by people.

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« 2020-Jun-14, 03:11 PM Reply #557 »
The ones that jumped out of the list for me, aside from the obvious champs, were Our Maizcay & Grosvenor

A bloody shame we never saw them as older horses

Our Maizcay was the Caulfield Guineas winner in that classic year. Very, very good horse.

Octagonal would win the Cox Plate in a couple of weeks and Nothin' Leica Dane would win The Derby and run 2nd in the Melbourne Cup.

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« 2020-Jun-27, 11:27 PM Reply #558 »
Top Ten Europe (flat racing)

The Top Ten Europe (flat racing) was selected from those horses that raced in the modern era of flat horse racing which I have taken to align with the running of the first Melbourne Cup in 1861. 

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Pretty Polly (IRE) 1901 (mare)
24 starts: 22 wins (8 x G1 later), 2 seconds, 0 thirds,  Win % 91.7, Place % 100.0
Champion filly who won the English Fillies Triple Crown and won in open company as 4 and 5 year old winning 8 races later classified as group 1 races.


The Criterion Stakes is about to be run at Newmarket.

When it was a race for 2 year olds it was won by Pretty Polly way back in 1903.

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« 2020-Jun-28, 01:19 PM Reply #559 »
And the Pretty Polly Stakes is run at the Curragh tonight


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