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Offline Peter Mair

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O.P. « 2020-Jan-27, 09:14 PM »


 Long-odds, vinnie the winnie, twice -- how did this happen?


This looks like an outcome suggesting a horse was 'got ready' to win twice when most did not expect it to.

The 'unexpected' two last wins of I-am-Vinnie, when brought to Sydney, off lack-lustre runs in Mexico, should have the RNSW stewards asking questions.

I do not think they are.

Both wins were hardly scrambling upsets -- this horse was a clear winner twice running good time.

There should be a retrospective review of betting, on this horse, in both races.

The long-odds on offer, on-course, suggests the sting, if any, was restricted to  a few insiders not attracting attention.

The relative dividends suggest VICTAB punters were, predictably, more confident.

One question is whether the winning punters were 'insiders' --  the same people on both occasions or with other similarities.



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« 2020-Jan-28, 07:00 AM Reply #1 »
Very consistent.

Two starts in Sydney for two wins.

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-Jan-28, 08:48 AM Reply #2 »
2  “lack lustre runs in Mexico”  :lol:  :

Mair proving himself a dunce yet again  :lol:

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« 2020-Jan-28, 09:18 AM Reply #3 »
At the risk of upsetting carey,

I told a friend to back this one next time after its soft run before the win. History repeats just as Peter will fail to learn the lesson for future betting but will be complaining again after the result.

Horses are not ready to win every race - but this horse and trainer have done this before - so there is no excuse really - it is not in fact hidden at all.... as Peter claims.

Fours

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« 2020-Jan-28, 03:16 PM Reply #4 »
Fours, added to that, anyone with an ounce of racing knowledge, would have see vinnie's cracking first up run

Oh, I didn't bet .....

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« 2020-Jan-28, 05:20 PM Reply #5 »
Sydney racing is done and is best avoided entirely.  Don't bet on it and don't watch it.  Your time is better spent on other pursuits

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-Jan-28, 05:47 PM Reply #6 »
Atreus, why is it so?

Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2020-Jan-28, 06:48 PM Reply #7 »
Atreus, why is it so?

Five will get you ten Chris Waller will feature somewhere in the answer. :bulb:

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« 2020-Jan-28, 08:51 PM Reply #8 »
At the risk of upsetting carey,

I told a friend to back this one next time after its soft run before the win. History repeats just as Peter will fail to learn the lesson for future betting but will be complaining again after the result.

Horses are not ready to win every race - but this horse and trainer have done this before - so there is no excuse really - it is not in fact hidden at all.... as Peter claims.

Fours

I found the winner in race 6 at Sha Tin yesterday.

Pop quiz for Peter, can you work out why?

https://www.racenet.com.au/horse/great-treasure
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Racing/LocalResults.aspx?RaceDate=2020/01/27&Racecourse=ST&RaceNo=6

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« 2020-Jan-29, 07:06 AM Reply #9 »
Peter won’t be able to work out why and he won’t even engage you in a discussion over it


But, remember, he was a “punters advocate” before he got sacked :lol:

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« 2020-Jan-29, 07:27 AM Reply #10 »
I found the winner in race 6 at Sha Tin yesterday.

Pop quiz for Peter, can you work out why?

https://www.racenet.com.au/horse/great-treasure
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Racing/LocalResults.aspx?RaceDate=2020/01/27&Racecourse=ST&RaceNo=6

The interesting information is that it was sold by Patinack Farm. There was a report in Fairfax that Tinkler owes money again.

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« 2020-Jan-29, 12:59 PM Reply #11 »
Didn't realise that Jeunes, interesting that it only sold for $42k, reckon those canny Kiwis got more for it going to HK  :beer:

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Jan-29, 08:45 PM Reply #12 »


Forum cops out in irrelevancies

............... the question was about a horse running very well and winning twice -- at very long odds -- in Sydney after having a lack-lustre record in Melbourne.

This does not look good -- one was readied twice to run a blinder well under the radar.

Have the Melbourne stewards tried to reconcile the discrepancy?


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« 2020-Jan-29, 09:05 PM Reply #13 »
Peter won’t be able to work out why and he won’t even engage you in a discussion over it


But, remember, he was a “punters advocate” before he got sacked :lol:

...... and he wonders why he's irrelevant.  ;)

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Jan-29, 09:09 PM Reply #14 »


... another cop out

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« 2020-Jan-30, 10:11 AM Reply #15 »
Bit of a pointless thread to be honest Peter.

If you looked at I Am Vinnie's record ......it's pretty good.

Goes very well right-handed and can get home hard off a solid pace are the two things that stand out now after his 2nd Sydney win........so he has fooled punters twice.

I can remember the trainer in the after race interview after his first win here stating what a good horse he was......was quite compelling.......so good luck to them.

I would forgive any horse failing at Flemington on firm ground....... there are plenty.
His last Caulfield run as stated here did look a bit soft but that's racing these days.

Feeks are obviously pretty astute......pick up Pueblo for $20k from an on-line auction.

https://www.punters.com.au/horses/pueblo_621622/

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« 2020-Jan-30, 03:51 PM Reply #16 »
At the risk of upsetting carey,

I told a friend to back this one next time after its soft run before the win. History repeats just as Peter will fail to learn the lesson for future betting but will be complaining again after the result.

Horses are not ready to win every race - but this horse and trainer have done this before - so there is no excuse really - it is not in fact hidden at all.... as Peter claims.

Fours

well there you go.
of course you have never told your friend horses that didn't win?
of course you have.
just like me, i have told people horses that have, and have not......thus what is the point?

Offline fours

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« 2020-Jan-30, 06:00 PM Reply #17 »
Carey,

I gave him the exact soft reason along with done it before. You poor thing!

I also tipped him for the soft run so that was a losing bet - lots more of those too so get over it.

Fours
ps this site already documents  what I can do- some 500 behind Betupbob in the tipping comp  but told Jim's Punting by pm that  I can probably catch him and beat him with roughies. I did but it took an 800 turnaround to do so as he did very well from that point. Carey I am more than happy for you to do better than that on this site for all to see. I will be the first to congratulate you when you do but I wont hold my breath!

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« 2020-Jan-30, 06:50 PM Reply #18 »
Carey,

I gave him the exact soft reason along with done it before. You poor thing!

I also tipped him for the soft run so that was a losing bet - lots more of those too so get over it.

Fours
ps this site already documents  what I can do- some 500 behind Betupbob in the tipping comp  but told Jim's Punting by pm that  I can probably catch him and beat him with roughies. I did but it took an 800 turnaround to do so as he did very well from that point. Carey I am more than happy for you to do better than that on this site for all to see. I will be the first to congratulate you when you do but I wont hold my breath!

i don't give a fug what u can do, u have told us enough, don't need to be told again...and again.... and again.
that argument is nothing to do with what i said.
you invoked my name or else i would have said nought.
you told your friend to be on it next time......big friggen deal!!!
whoopee do da.
if it had lost you would have stayed schtum for certain sure.


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« 2020-Jan-30, 08:04 PM Reply #19 »
carey,

I am glad you can see its a lot of fuss by you about nothing in fact.

Lets keep it that way.

Whoopee!

Fours

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« 2020-Jan-30, 08:53 PM Reply #20 »

Accountability for integrity is in short supply

... ....  2, of few, wins in Sydney, at very long odds, is a beacon for some testing of the integrity of the game.

Someone has had a lend of someone ..... and the punters deserve accountability for the stunts pulled.

............... it was never going to lose!

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« 2020-Jan-31, 06:28 AM Reply #21 »
If it was never going to lose and you didn’t back it :tin: :tin: :tin:


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