My take on Mounting yard mail is that it is a huge advantage....if it comes from some one who actually knows what they are talking about, someone you can trust............and they were given free reign to give their real opinion without fear or favour.....unfortunately neither of the above scenarios actually happens
Some Drawbacks to listening to MYM as I see it,

1. When someone applies for the job no one who is in charge of hiring has any idea of what the qualifications are?? So how can they get the best person for the job if they don't know what they are looking for?..
2, Again in point one the assumption is they are looking for someone who is a good judge of a thoroughbred....which they ain't.....they are really in the entertainment industry, not the punting industry.....being photogenic is more important than horse skills
3, My opinion is they know 99% of punters have no idea so anyone who is attractive to the Camera will be able to do the job.....since the vast majority of punters are Men...........hence they employ attractive women to do the job.....coincidence?? I don't think so
4 then there are people like Glen Pollett....I have no doubt he has some talent....but he really doesn't have any hands on experience with racehorses....he has very little idea of how to judge a fit horse.........He is more of a horse behaviourist, than a fitness judge....which means he would be better as a judge of what to lay rather than what to back.....he discounts the horses that behave badly.....this is important but doesn't always point you to a winner..........and I don't think he tells you what can't win....he just gives you his selections on what he is going to back.........mostly on form study......you can do that
5, when I say a fit horse.......99% of horses at the races are 85/95% fit so when a horse walks into the enclosure that is as fat as a pig they can tell the difference between it and and a horse that is 90% fit.....what they can't tell is when a horse is peaked ie, 100% fit....what I would term a "standout" I am yet to see any of them that can judge that last 5% and that 5% is worth a lot more than just the 5% in reality
6, A lot of trainers can't "peak" their horses, I remember when Bart was training 20 or more years ago(it's about that long since I went to the races, too many drunks now)....his horses were always around 90% fit.(horses can win 90% fit, cos they are on an even playing field).......then one day you would be at the races and a Bart horse would walk in and was an absolute standout......100% you knew this was the target........they always won, you could see why he was a genius, Punters assume that a horse improves in fitness with each run back from a spell, not always true, Bart's horses would resume 90% fit, next run 90% fit, Next run 90% fit, Next run 90% fit,,,,and so on until it's target race........then the group one and a Bart horse is 100% fit.......that is an art. most trainers if they try to get a horse to peak they go over the top and that is the end of that prep and they don't get a result....so I don't think they even try
7, the vast majority of races are won by horses in the 85/95% fitness range......you don't need to be 100% unless there is another in the race that is 100% even then Class is a huge factor......
8. Being a good judge of "Type" is also important especially in the early 2 year old races..........which I am yet to see in any of them

I could  go on but that is enough to digest for now, hope it helps

Dave
 

One of our former? forumites could do all this stuff from the TV.

Where's WOT?

Jane Ivyl.   First class.   

The other point to remember when listening to MYM on the box(TV), they are under pressure to one, find winners occasionally, and two......to always be politically correct......meaning never to be critical of trainers.....they mostly do the mail from studying the form..........that means they find what they are looking for, when they do the form they can't help being biased when looking at the horses if they already have an opinion, unless it is really obvious...i.e. the horse walks in limping......and that is assuming they are "experts" in the first place

If I was in charge at Sky and was looking to hire an expert for MYM I would be looking for a trainer, not an ex jockey...someone who understands how to get a horse fit and knows when it is fit.....not an ex Jockey or some one that is a "never was" anything............I am sure there are many trainers that would take the job........even if you had a local trainer at each track....or someone like Peter Moody, he calls a spade a spade so maybe he wouldn't last long

MYM is much more important at provincial and Bush racing than it is in the city.......city trainers use Vets like they are eating Tic Tacs........every day, they run tests on everything, they have mostly owners who can afford it, bush trainers don't have that luxury, so they need to know by observation if something isn't right........a lot are not that good....but some are....good MYM can be imperative at these meetings....bad MYM is worse than no MYM
Bart would send samples of every batch of new feed that was delivered to his stables to be analysed before using it....just to make sure of the quality.....how many trainers are that meticulous.....or could afford to be that meticulous?
There is so much that punters don't know or don't understand........I think MYM is just clutching at straws because you doubt your own strengths.......better to work at what you are good at.....you are the only person you can trust......or don't you think so?

Marketing not analysis

The following is 'gender specific' and politically incorrect.

It is only irritating to have some breathless little petal making pronouncements from the 'mounting yard' about which horses 'presented well'.

There are occasional (well informed?) 'hits' but not usually.

Most punters would never select these 'petals' to be their preferred assessors.

............... one can only presume that their selection is about building the appeal of racing to women.

Women with an attachment to racing do not need to see or hear such patronizing nonsense.

Marketing not analysis

The following is 'gender specific' and politically incorrect.

It is only irritating to have some breathless little petal making pronouncements from the 'mounting yard' about which horses 'presented well'.

There are occasional (well informed?) 'hits' but not usually.

Most punters would never select these 'petals' to be their preferred assessors.

............... one can only presume that their selection is about building the appeal of racing to women.

Women with an attachment to racing do not need to see or hear such patronizing nonsense.

what a disgusting arrogant grub you are

Some one like Lizzy Jelfs who worked with David Hayes for over a decade has no idea?

You come on here and spew your rubbish and then sit in judgement of the likes of Jelfs, Buckley, Searcy and Bernie Cooper      

You an idiot Mair
They have more talent and clue than you ever will have

Bubba with that background it is no wonder she is well respected as a M/Y judge, I remember Her Dad as a trainer and I  especially remember Cendrillon........a contemporary of Storm Queen, Citius etc, she was very good
In saying that Anthony is no BART and neither is James............she is the daughter of a good trainer and the wife of a Bloodstock agent...........it doesn’t Automatically follow she has the same ability.........
And being a Bloodstock Agent is a far cry from judging fitness in a racehorse.........I would sooner have the original (her dad)than the copy if I was going to put my own on...........and as I said, I never punt outside of Australia anyway...........it is interesting nonetheless to find out who she is, thanks for that

Interesting topic this as I've always wondered how these "experts" come up with their best in the yard, best on looks or whatever.

Like most, I can see if a horse is fat or has a winter coat but as Dave mentions, most of the horses in a race are close to peak fitness and to my eye they all look magnificent. Sure you can tell if one is significantly musclier than the others but that is pretty rare. I was once told to look for a defining line between the muscles of a horses rump but they nearly all have that so that makes it hard to differentiate.

So help me out here. Exactly what makes one horse "the pick of the yard"?

Ok, I'll bite...yes

I would not know the difference physically between almost fit horses and those that are 100% but Geoffrey Hutson does. Google his name and buy his book. It is a work of art. I know only too well because I edited the book but that's another story. G is a master at mounting yard observations.

I find it amusing just listening to Mounting yard Analysts........he has a shiny coat etc.....I am yet to hear anyone say anything definitive that would make me think they had a clue what they are talking about...........very few horses are ever absolutely peaked i.e. 100%....the vast majority of horses would be no more than 90/95% and I don't really like even putting a figure on it......it is like saying almost pregnant.......you are either Pregnant or not pregnant........either a horse is peaked or it isn't....whether it is 5% or 10% short doesn't make a lot of difference
So even if a horse walked in right at their peak 100% peaked none of these MYM experts would see it.....cos they don't see many of them....but that last 5% can make a gulf of difference
Look up Abebe Bikila he was a famous Marathon Runner.....he was supremely fit(an assumption on my part as I have no idea how to judge human fitness).....then you have Usain Bolt....also a very fit athlete......but they look nothing alike, fitness wise,do they? there are different kinds of fitness, depending on the task ahead..........Judging horses can be similar...........some are fit enough if the race develops into a sprint home.....while others need it a solidly run race......and will get out sprinted in slow run race.........

Thinking you can look at them on the TV and ascertain fitness levels is silly, it can be a cloudy overcast day, almost dark and they can adjust the camera to make it seem like a bright summers day........
They also look at all the horses from different angles which can be misleading trying to pick fitness levels if you don't see every horse from the same angle

MYM "experts" are really looking at behaviour, not fitness.....and you don't need to be that much of an expert to do that i.e. if a horse is a lather of sweat you would avoid it like the plague if it was a cold day.....but you need to discern why it is sweating........is it because of stress? is it just a free sweater?...is it a really hot humid day?....or was it just hosed down?
Is it Playing up in the mounting yard etc? there are a myriad of things......all relative to it's chances but none of them related to actual fitness.........and in the majority of races all the horses behave so there is no lead given there.....in early 2 year old races it is more about type and education
I feel MYM experts do the form first, form an opinion on who they think will win.....then go to the races and look for affirmation......like a mother whose baby is in a baby contest.....of course they think it is the most beautiful baby ever born.....all the mothers expect their baby to win.......and say it must be rigged if they don't
I would like to see experienced trainers get the gig................someone with the runs on the board...not someone who is related to someone with runs on the board, not someone who worked for someone with runs on the board,,,,,and certainly not an ex Jockey....it takes many years of trial and error, only trainers have the training.....it is what they do........they live or die by getting it right..........you can't learn it from riding a horse, you can't learn it from leaning over the fence at the races just looking at the horses parade...........The others  may all be very good at it.....but I doubt it and they lack credibility from me.....I can't put money on their opinion

that is my 2 cents worth