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Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: stiffarm on 2018-Jun-01, 09:03 PM
Hi guys,

Thought I would start a thread on the now popular mounting yard mail and the people behind them.

Which analyst/s do you like? Any good ones that aren't currently providing public services? Would love to know if there's more out there.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2018-Jun-01, 10:55 PM
My take on Mounting yard mail is that it is a huge advantage....if it comes from some one who actually knows what they are talking about, someone you can trust............and they were given free reign to give their real opinion without fear or favour.....unfortunately neither of the above scenarios actually happens
Some Drawbacks to listening to MYM as I see it,

1. When someone applies for the job no one who is in charge of hiring has any idea of what the qualifications are?? So how can they get the best person for the job if they don't know what they are looking for?..
2, Again in point one the assumption is they are looking for someone who is a good judge of a thoroughbred....which they ain't.....they are really in the entertainment industry, not the punting industry.....being photogenic is more important than horse skills
3, My opinion is they know 99% of punters have no idea so anyone who is attractive to the Camera will be able to do the job.....since the vast majority of punters are Men...........hence they employ attractive women to do the job.....coincidence?? I don't think so
4 then there are people like Glen Pollett....I have no doubt he has some talent....but he really doesn't have any hands on experience with racehorses....he has very little idea of how to judge a fit horse.........He is more of a horse behaviourist, than a fitness judge....which means he would be better as a judge of what to lay rather than what to back.....he discounts the horses that behave badly.....this is important but doesn't always point you to a winner..........and I don't think he tells you what can't win....he just gives you his selections on what he is going to back.........mostly on form study......you can do that
5, when I say a fit horse.......99% of horses at the races are 85/95% fit so when a horse walks into the enclosure that is as fat as a pig they can tell the difference between it and and a horse that is 90% fit.....what they can't tell is when a horse is peaked ie, 100% fit....what I would term a "standout" I am yet to see any of them that can judge that last 5% and that 5% is worth a lot more than just the 5% in reality
6, A lot of trainers can't "peak" their horses, I remember when Bart was training 20 or more years ago(it's about that long since I went to the races, too many drunks now)....his horses were always around 90% fit.(horses can win 90% fit, cos they are on an even playing field).......then one day you would be at the races and a Bart horse would walk in and was an absolute standout......100% you knew this was the target........they always won, you could see why he was a genius, Punters assume that a horse improves in fitness with each run back from a spell, not always true, Bart's horses would resume 90% fit, next run 90% fit, Next run 90% fit, Next run 90% fit,,,,and so on until it's target race........then the group one and a Bart horse is 100% fit.......that is an art. most trainers if they try to get a horse to peak they go over the top and that is the end of that prep and they don't get a result....so I don't think they even try
7, the vast majority of races are won by horses in the 85/95% fitness range......you don't need to be 100% unless there is another in the race that is 100% even then Class is a huge factor......
8. Being a good judge of "Type" is also important especially in the early 2 year old races..........which I am yet to see in any of them

I could  go on but that is enough to digest for now, hope it helps

Dave
 
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: LeRoi on 2018-Jun-02, 09:15 AM
Agree if you can get a mounting yard gun it is a huge advantage.

Believe ZR has people at each track, and imagine the same folks haven't been doing it forever. May mean there are some former ZR people doing it for themselves now? Anyone who is on-track would help more in this thread.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Jun-02, 09:25 AM
One of our former? forumites could do all this stuff from the TV.

Where's WOT?

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Wenona on 2018-Jun-02, 03:29 PM
The only TV one that I would listen to is Francesca.  Unfortunately we only see her during the Melbourne Carnival.

I remember a couple of years back she potted a favourite and said she really looked over the top - ran accordingly.

As we know most of them just nominate the favourite.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: tontonan on 2018-Jun-02, 05:22 PM
Jane Ivyl.   First class.    :noteworthy:

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: arthur on 2018-Jun-03, 08:02 AM
Believe ZR has people at each track, and imagine the same folks haven't been doing it forever.

12 months or so ago there was an ex-NRL player doing the rounds of North Qld TAB meetings

Whether he was with Z . . ?? . . but he told the local bookies that he wouldn't be betting with them as he only dealt with the corps

Hasn't been seen for a while
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2018-Jun-03, 01:32 PM
The other point to remember when listening to MYM on the box(TV), they are under pressure to one, find winners occasionally, and two......to always be politically correct......meaning never to be critical of trainers.....they mostly do the mail from studying the form..........that means they find what they are looking for, when they do the form they can't help being biased when looking at the horses if they already have an opinion, unless it is really obvious...i.e. the horse walks in limping......and that is assuming they are "experts" in the first place

If I was in charge at Sky and was looking to hire an expert for MYM I would be looking for a trainer, not an ex jockey...someone who understands how to get a horse fit and knows when it is fit.....not an ex Jockey or some one that is a "never was" anything............I am sure there are many trainers that would take the job........even if you had a local trainer at each track....or someone like Peter Moody, he calls a spade a spade so maybe he wouldn't last long

MYM is much more important at provincial and Bush racing than it is in the city.......city trainers use Vets like they are eating Tic Tacs........every day, they run tests on everything, they have mostly owners who can afford it, bush trainers don't have that luxury, so they need to know by observation if something isn't right........a lot are not that good....but some are....good MYM can be imperative at these meetings....bad MYM is worse than no MYM
Bart would send samples of every batch of new feed that was delivered to his stables to be analysed before using it....just to make sure of the quality.....how many trainers are that meticulous.....or could afford to be that meticulous?
There is so much that punters don't know or don't understand........I think MYM is just clutching at straws because you doubt your own strengths.......better to work at what you are good at.....you are the only person you can trust......or don't you think so?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: LeRoi on 2018-Jun-04, 09:17 PM
Agree with all that Dave, but imagine not too many pay attention to what the TV mounting yard people say (besides Jenny Chapman at HKJC).

Am personally more interested to know if there is anyone who attend the track specifically for a mounting yard edge, which would be significant in this off track betting era.

And would imagine some of them may do it for themselves, or for other people privately.




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Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Jun-04, 10:06 PM

Marketing not analysis

The following is 'gender specific' and politically incorrect.

It is only irritating to have some breathless little petal making pronouncements from the 'mounting yard' about which horses 'presented well'.

There are occasional (well informed?) 'hits' but not usually.

Most punters would never select these 'petals' to be their preferred assessors.

............... one can only presume that their selection is about building the appeal of racing to women.

Women with an attachment to racing do not need to see or hear such patronizing nonsense.


Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2018-Jun-05, 01:31 AM
I do not and never have bet in Hong Kong so I do not know who Jenny Chapman is...........or what her back ground is but I suspect she is more a form analyst and self taught MYM “expert”..........for mine if they haven’t been a trainer with proven knowledge of how to get a horse fit, and prove they know when a horse is peaked........not just 90% fit.......I have my doubts about them...........I think MYM is pretty much like beauty, it’s in the eye of the beholder............if it works for you, use it..........I would never pay anyone for it........or take the word of someone who is self taught.......but that is just me

There are no short cuts that make winning easy.........anyone that was good at it doesn’t need a job......and would never sell the key to the mint.......but again I am always cynical and sceptical........I just don’t trust anyone without irrefutable proof
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Jun-05, 07:31 AM
Marketing not analysis

The following is 'gender specific' and politically incorrect.

It is only irritating to have some breathless little petal making pronouncements from the 'mounting yard' about which horses 'presented well'.

There are occasional (well informed?) 'hits' but not usually.

Most punters would never select these 'petals' to be their preferred assessors.

............... one can only presume that their selection is about building the appeal of racing to women.

Women with an attachment to racing do not need to see or hear such patronizing nonsense.


what a disgusting arrogant grub you are

Some one like Lizzy Jelfs who worked with David Hayes for over a decade has no idea?

You come on here and spew your rubbish and then sit in judgement of the likes of Jelfs, Buckley, Searcy and Bernie Cooper  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

You an idiot Mair
They have more talent and clue than you ever will have
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Jun-05, 03:35 PM
I do not and never have bet in Hong Kong so I do not know who Jenny Chapman is...........or what her back ground is but I suspect she is more a form analyst and self taught MYM “expert”..........for mine if they haven’t been a trainer with proven knowledge of how to get a horse fit, and prove they know when a horse is peaked........not just 90% fit.......I have my doubts about them...........I think MYM is pretty much like beauty, it’s in the eye of the beholder............if it works for you, use it..........I would never pay anyone for it........or take the word of someone who is self taught.......but that is just me

There are no short cuts that make winning easy.........anyone that was good at it doesn’t need a job......and would never sell the key to the mint.......but again I am always cynical and sceptical........I just don’t trust anyone without irrefutable proof

Jenny Chapman is the daughter of R G ( Kelly ) Chapman who trained at Caulfield fpr many years, he trained the one-time Sandown 1000 metres record holder Cendrillon. Jenny  is married to David Price, who with Jenny set up Price Bloodstock.
Established in 1995, Price Bloodstock continues to be a leading source for Hong Kong owners looking for that elusive winning photo. A one of a kind company, Price Bloodstock annually purchases a substantial number of yearlings through the Australasian yearling sales. Inconjuction with buyers John Foote, Robert Smerdon and Patrick Payne, these horses are broken in and given plenty of opportunity to develop and mature, before being offered to Hong Kong owners.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2018-Jun-05, 06:49 PM
Bubba with that background it is no wonder she is well respected as a M/Y judge, I remember Her Dad as a trainer and I  especially remember Cendrillon........a contemporary of Storm Queen, Citius etc, she was very good
In saying that Anthony is no BART and neither is James............she is the daughter of a good trainer and the wife of a Bloodstock agent...........it doesn’t Automatically follow she has the same ability.........
And being a Bloodstock Agent is a far cry from judging fitness in a racehorse.........I would sooner have the original (her dad)than the copy if I was going to put my own on...........and as I said, I never punt outside of Australia anyway...........it is interesting nonetheless to find out who she is, thanks for that
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: LeRoi on 2018-Jun-14, 01:36 PM
Found this old job post from Data Processors for an analyst:

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Description
Mounting Yard Analyst South Australia

Do you have an interest in horse racing & observing horses in the Mounting Yard?

This is a great opportunity to join Data Processors Pty Ltd and turn it into a career.

The primary function of the role is to analyse horses in the Mounting Yard.

The successful applicant must demonstrate the following skills:

Ensure all data is entered correctly and accurately
Be able to follow company procedures
Work unsupervised
Own vehicle is essential as the role involves travelling to tracks such as Morphettville, Gawler, Balaklava and Murray Bridge.

Working on Weekends and Public Holidays will be required.

Previous experience is not essential but some racing knowledge is an advantage.

To apply, please email jobs@dataprocessors.com.au quoting reference .  All applications will be short-listed within 72 hours of the application date.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: kicker on 2018-Jun-15, 10:15 AM
Interesting topic this as I've always wondered how these "experts" come up with their best in the yard, best on looks or whatever.

Like most, I can see if a horse is fat or has a winter coat but as Dave mentions, most of the horses in a race are close to peak fitness and to my eye they all look magnificent. Sure you can tell if one is significantly musclier than the others but that is pretty rare. I was once told to look for a defining line between the muscles of a horses rump but they nearly all have that so that makes it hard to differentiate.

So help me out here. Exactly what makes one horse "the pick of the yard"?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Jun-15, 10:54 AM
Okay!

Well let's start he-

Have you ever been to a strip club......................................?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: kicker on 2018-Jun-15, 12:55 PM
Ok, I'll bite...yes
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Jun-15, 02:50 PM
I'm referring to your

 "So help me out here. Exactly what makes one horse "the pick of the yard"?"

They all might be lovely but to an experienced eye one is better presented than the others, Sometimes an iindefinable difference.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: romankoz on 2018-Jun-15, 04:36 PM
I would not know the difference physically between almost fit horses and those that are 100% but Geoffrey Hutson does. Google his name and buy his book. It is a work of art. I know only too well because I edited the book but that's another story. G is a master at mounting yard observations.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Jun-15, 08:48 PM
Mounting yard analysts have limited time generally to show the runners for more than a second or two but pictures are a help to the viewers watching the TV often I'll see a horse that to me looks outstanding but  it may not the analyst's pick of the yard.....that doesn't put me off if its form is ok if I feel like a bet if the price is right .......I think there's nothing better than being on course looking at the horses in the tie up stalls through the day and watching closely as they are led in and parade....... when I was a regular racegoer I spent most of my time looking at the horses and assessing their chances on appearance...... picked lots of long priced winners too......I remember seeing General Nedyim having his first start as a 2yo at Eagle Farm when he walked in he was a standout yet  was a 12 to one chance and bolted in..... the stable P G Moody mustn't have thought very highly of him that day.... but he turned out a champion.

Postcript...I found this reference to experts and urgers in the archives of JustRacing written by my mate Phil Purser you might find it entertaining.

http://www.arthritis.com.au/index.php?news_page=101&artid=3643&catid=52

Giddy Up :beer: 
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2018-Jun-15, 09:45 PM
I find it amusing just listening to Mounting yard Analysts........he has a shiny coat etc.....I am yet to hear anyone say anything definitive that would make me think they had a clue what they are talking about...........very few horses are ever absolutely peaked i.e. 100%....the vast majority of horses would be no more than 90/95% and I don't really like even putting a figure on it......it is like saying almost pregnant.......you are either Pregnant or not pregnant........either a horse is peaked or it isn't....whether it is 5% or 10% short doesn't make a lot of difference
So even if a horse walked in right at their peak 100% peaked none of these MYM experts would see it.....cos they don't see many of them....but that last 5% can make a gulf of difference
Look up Abebe Bikila he was a famous Marathon Runner.....he was supremely fit(an assumption on my part as I have no idea how to judge human fitness).....then you have Usain Bolt....also a very fit athlete......but they look nothing alike, fitness wise,do they? there are different kinds of fitness, depending on the task ahead..........Judging horses can be similar...........some are fit enough if the race develops into a sprint home.....while others need it a solidly run race......and will get out sprinted in slow run race.........

Thinking you can look at them on the TV and ascertain fitness levels is silly, it can be a cloudy overcast day, almost dark and they can adjust the camera to make it seem like a bright summers day........
They also look at all the horses from different angles which can be misleading trying to pick fitness levels if you don't see every horse from the same angle

MYM "experts" are really looking at behaviour, not fitness.....and you don't need to be that much of an expert to do that i.e. if a horse is a lather of sweat you would avoid it like the plague if it was a cold day.....but you need to discern why it is sweating........is it because of stress? is it just a free sweater?...is it a really hot humid day?....or was it just hosed down?
Is it Playing up in the mounting yard etc? there are a myriad of things......all relative to it's chances but none of them related to actual fitness.........and in the majority of races all the horses behave so there is no lead given there.....in early 2 year old races it is more about type and education
I feel MYM experts do the form first, form an opinion on who they think will win.....then go to the races and look for affirmation......like a mother whose baby is in a baby contest.....of course they think it is the most beautiful baby ever born.....all the mothers expect their baby to win.......and say it must be rigged if they don't
I would like to see experienced trainers get the gig................someone with the runs on the board...not someone who is related to someone with runs on the board, not someone who worked for someone with runs on the board,,,,,and certainly not an ex Jockey....it takes many years of trial and error, only trainers have the training.....it is what they do........they live or die by getting it right..........you can't learn it from riding a horse, you can't learn it from leaning over the fence at the races just looking at the horses parade...........The others  may all be very good at it.....but I doubt it and they lack credibility from me.....I can't put money on their opinion

that is my 2 cents worth
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Wenona on 2018-Jun-16, 08:29 AM
Don't tell me if the horse looks good today.

Tell me if it looks or behaves better or worse than it did last start, the start before or the last time it won.

The older I get the more convinced I become of the importance of judging if a horse will improve, is unlikely to repeat or improve, or has reasons to be forgiven in form analysis.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Jun-16, 09:52 AM
Many horse trainers probably are too fat ...or they don't /can't ride.... they rely on track work riders and jockeys to tell them how the horse went in races or trackwork......is it fit ...does it need more work ..more or less distance .....so I don't agree that trainers are the best judges of a horses' chances ...some trainers are good judges no doubt about that..when my father was alive he had a mate who was friendly with a No,1 trainer who only had a small team but he kept his eyes and ears open and his tips on other trainers' horses on Saturdays  were never far from the money........ one trotting trainer I knew could tell other trainers how to improve their horses he was an experienced horsemen and a very good driver..... most trotting people are jack of all trades do everything themselves ...shoeing... treatment... driving..transporting..... while some horse trainers are good communicators I don't know any who have been /or are employed as mounting yard analysts.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Jun-16, 03:42 PM
...... when I was a regular racegoer I spent most of my time looking at the horses and assessing their chances on appearance...... picked lots of long priced winners too.....

When I was regular racegoer on course I spent most of my time in the betting ring or in the tote payout queue ..money speaks most languages
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: LeRoi on 2018-Jun-20, 07:41 PM
Agreed former trainers would be great as MY assessors. And considering most of them do a bit of bloodstock work, they are probably lacking things to do on raceday.

Would be a great option for them.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Jun-20, 09:17 PM
Agreed former trainers would be great as MY assessors. And considering most of them do a bit of bloodstock work, they are probably lacking things to do on raceday.

Would be a great option for them.

I know I'll get hounded down but I think one of the best MYM people is/was trainer Richard Freedman on Sky. He used to cover the midweek Sydney meeting. He doesn't have any diplomacy. If he doesn't like the look of something he will say it.

As for "shiny coats" and "looks fit" like others here I don't place much weight on them. Prefer to know if a horse has been playing up and has run his/her race before getting out onto the track, and even then they sometimes win!!
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Jun-20, 10:41 PM
I know I'll get hounded down but I think one of the best MYM people is/was trainer Richard Freedman on Sky. He used to cover the midweek Sydney meeting. He doesn't have any diplomacy. If he doesn't like the look of something he will say it.

As for "shiny coats" and "looks fit" like others here I don't place much weight on them. Prefer to know if a horse has been playing up and has run his/her race before getting out onto the track, and even then they sometimes win!!
Don't have an opinion on Richard Freedman's mounting yard prowess but I will never forget his assessment of Tavago a couple of years back in the Australian Derby.

He described him among other things as a runt and basically suggested he shouldn't even be in the field.

I remember thinking at the time that Richard hadn't been doing his replays.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2018-Jun-21, 01:14 PM
Arsenal you missed the point, you said you don't agree that trainers are the best judges of a horses chances.........did you read what this thread is about? It is not about form analysis....it is not about who is the best horse necessarily.....it is about Mounting Yard analysis..........surely the punter does the form, what MYM is about is conformation that the horse will run to it's current form, improve on it's current form.......or go backwards on it's current form............MYM is not about spoon feeding you........

I believe Trainers would be far better placed to give that kind of intelligence than ex Jockeys or self taught punters...............you don't need ex Trainers......., they could use a local trainer at every track.......I am sure most would jump at the chance to earn some extra money and get some exposure for their business.....they may not be as pretty as ex female Jockeys.....or as well connected as the second cousin of the uncle of a friend who once had a bet whose Mother works at Sky Channel..........

As for What Richard Freedman allegedly said about Tavago.........saying it is a runt is telling the truth as he sees it............you are nitpicking, most Runts are not good betting propositions(assuming you mean a small and weedy beast....something like a racehorse undersized..........now where have I heard that line before?) You would need to hear the full comment to put what he said into context........and from memory it was 50/1 when it won the Derby, wasn't it?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Jun-21, 10:46 PM
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As for What Richard Freedman allegedly said about Tavago.........saying it is a runt is telling the truth as he sees it............you are nitpicking, most Runts are not good betting propositions(assuming you mean a small and weedy beast....something like a racehorse undersized..........now where have I heard that line before?) You would need to hear the full comment to put what he said into context........and from memory it was 50/1 when it won the Derby, wasn't it?
The context was simply that R Freedman didn't like the look of Tavago, didn't seem to know anything about the horse and felt at $60.00  it was safe to mock and deride him.


It sticks in my mind because I had backed him and my point was simply that his supposed expert eyes couldn't have been anymore wrong.

You do wonder if the trainer of Tavago was JB Cummings he probably would have a different opinion.

He has done a good job with Auvray though. :bye:

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2018-Jun-22, 10:50 PM
nemesis I haven't seen Tavago so I can't comment on what he looked like.....but your assumption that he "couldn't have been anymore wrong" couldn't be anymore wrong!

In your words he said he was a runt.........that could have been 100% correct..........the result is irrelevant.........The result doesn't prove the horse was a good type, he was a superior wet tracker
He won because he was by Tavago and the track was a bog....on a good track he would have probably been gapped..........Wet trackers can be a law unto themselves....there are wet track types but very few can pick them on looks.....they are not usually the best "types" in the race
As I have stated many times When someone gets the gig to do MYM they worry about their strike rate, cos they want to keep the job....so they do the form....like the majority of punters, they ignore the long priced runners, they don't look for virtues, the look for negatives according to price....in the faves they look for positives, in the roughies they look for negatives.....and you will always find what you are looking for
It is the pressure of the job..........they can be right and still not tip the winner, alternatively they can be wrong and tip the winner, punting isn't an exact science.....what I would want in MYM is just an honest assessment of how each horse parades, I don't want a tip.........

AS an example of what I mean, I was at the races once and backed 2 horses in the same race, it was a 2400 metre race, one needed a slow run race and he would sprint over the top of them, the other was really fit and in a slow run race would get outsprinted, they were both fit for the job but were trained different...........my really fit horse and another horse in the race went hammer and tongs in front, about the half mile the caller said these two leaders will have to stop, they are going too hard......I was supremely confident that the other horse would stop but mine would just keep going, it was run exactly as he needed it to be run, coming to the turn the other horse collapsed and left mine still 10 in front and he won by 10....(he was 20/1) The other one I backed was never in the hunt and I knew he wouldn't be, the way the race was run......if they hadn't gone out so hard I am sure he would have been hard to beat too...........fitness is subjective, the way races are run changes what you need
TJ was probably the smartest Trainer I have ever seen, he had his horses ridden the way he trained them.......he fed them hard, trained them hard, and he rode them hard........if you can't stand the  heat get out of the kitchen
Not many trainers realise that there is an art in knowing what kind of fitness you have and ride the horse to suit the way you train
there wouldn't be 1% of horses that are actually peaked, right at their top...........on any given day
As a Punter you have to know how to use MYM to suit how you punt

My point is you can be right and still not win, you can be wrong and get the chocolates

Happy Punting.....you too Pete!
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: LeRoi on 2018-Jun-23, 02:03 PM
Agree whole heartedly Dave, the pressure of tipping a winner should not affect MY assessments, it is something Glenn has mentioned previously.

That’s why I believe they should be equally commended for potting horses (particularly short priced ones), who could be laid, than finding winners.


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Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2018-Jun-23, 09:45 PM
I remember going to Randwick one day, there was a 4 horse field in the first race of the day, one horse was the $1.40 fav.....and it had a bowed tendon! it was absolutely certain to tail off last! That would have been nice info for the punters to have, wouldn't it? I boxed the tri...........it paid pretty well with the $1.40 fav out too......you don't get opportunities like that very often....but it accentuates your point...unfortunately that was long before the advent of Betfair, so laying it wasn't an option
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Jun-24, 09:21 AM
nemesis I haven't seen Tavago so I can't comment on what he looked like.....but your assumption that he "couldn't have been anymore wrong" couldn't be anymore wrong!

In your words he said he was a runt.........that could have been 100% correct..........the result is irrelevant.........The result doesn't prove the horse was a good type, he was a superior wet tracker
He won because he was by Tavago and the track was a bog....on a good track he would have probably been gapped..........Wet trackers can be a law unto themselves....there are wet track types but very few can pick them on looks.....they are not usually the best "types" in the race
As I have stated many times When someone gets the gig to do MYM they worry about their strike rate, cos they want to keep the job....so they do the form....like the majority of punters, they ignore the long priced runners, they don't look for virtues, the look for negatives according to price....in the faves they look for positives, in the roughies they look for negatives.....and you will always find what you are looking for
It is the pressure of the job..........they can be right and still not tip the winner, alternatively they can be wrong and tip the winner, punting isn't an exact science.....what I would want in MYM is just an honest assessment of how each horse parades, I don't want a tip.........




Dave the 2016 Derby was run on a soft 6 so that's not a bog.

Tavago ran a faster last 600m than Winx did in the Doncaster a couple of races later.

IMO he, like many horses just likes some give in the ground.

I was only commenting on the level of the pasting R Freedman, Sky's mounting yard expert, had for the horse .

Richard only had eyes for the $1.60 fav Tarzino  but like punters, mounting yard analysts are mostly wrong and very occasionally right.

Did catch this from Sky's MYM yesterday "he's bred in NZ so he will like the heavy track" .....brilliant stuff.


 
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Jun-24, 02:16 PM

Tavago ran a faster last 600m than Winx did in the Doncaster a couple of races later.


I doubt that very much mate.

Tavago was 3rd at the 800m and 2nd at the 400m. Winx was way back and to be honest she seems a 100-1 on the turn. She musters to beat Happy Clapper and Azkadelia - two very classy horses in their own right.

http://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2016Apr02&VenueCode=MTQzNjQwMA==&RaceNumber=9&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=Last400m

What would have been more accurate would be to say that the sectionals for the Derby were faster in the Derby than in the Doncaster.

Tavago ran 2.33.7 which is hopelessly slow so they couldn't have gone very fast earlier setting it up for a fast sectional. Winx ran 1.35.27 which is quick for a Soft track 1600m.


Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2018-Jun-24, 02:28 PM
Again he may not have been wrong, it may have been a "runt" meaning on the small side....that in itself is not saying it isn't at it's best or that it's not ready to run as good as it can.........but I agree they do the form first then the MY and they see what they want to see......like the vast majority of punters........punters are looking for a "tip" so Sky MYM experts oblige and give a tip.....but it is 99% based on form not the horses appearance, obviously their tips look OK in their opinion..........I would prefer a Trainer who wasn't a punter and who didn't look at the form before a race to do the MYM, that way you would get a view that was pure.......then add that to your own form assessments.....but that is never going to happen, is it?

As for Tavago running quicker time for the last 600 than Winx.....it just ain't true!! the time is clocked leader to leader.....From memory Tavago raced on the pace and cut the corner....Winx was standing the leaders a good 8 or 10 lengths and was blocked and changed course several times in the straight and wasn't punished to win easy.........you could probably take the best part of 2 seconds off the last 600 of the Doncaster leader to leader time to get close to what Winx ran........the Derby time may have been quicker than the Doncaster time.....but (correct me if I am wrong) Tavago was much slower than Winx
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Jun-24, 02:46 PM
I doubt that very much mate.

Tavago was 3rd at the 800m and 2nd at the 400m. Winx was way back and to be honest she seems a 100-1 on the turn. She musters to beat Happy Clapper and Azkadelia - two very classy horses in their own right.

http://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2016Apr02&VenueCode=MTQzNjQwMA==&RaceNumber=9&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=Last400m

What would have been more accurate would be to say that the sectionals for the Derby were faster in the Derby than in the Doncaster.

Tavago ran 2.33.7 which is hopelessly slow so they couldn't have gone very fast earlier setting it up for a fast sectional. Winx ran 1.35.27 which is quick for a Soft track 1600m.
Thanks PP7 and I stand corrected......didn't think enough.



Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: LeRoi on 2018-Jun-24, 09:12 PM
Did anyone used to subscribe to Mark Sheans old MYM package with Just Racing? Is he any good?


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Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Jun-24, 10:05 PM
Did anyone used to subscribe to Mark Sheans old MYM package with Just Racing? Is he any good?


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Dunno.

But I reckon he's the most knowledgeable of people I've ever heard vis-a-vis racehorses.

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: gunbower on 2018-Jun-24, 11:04 PM
Yes I remember when ; I think it was 3UZ pioneered this type of thing with the late great rider Roy Higgins casting his eye over the contestants in the mounting yard. Since then we have had  various' " personalities " giving us the benefit of their so called expertise. We have endured the likes of Bernie Cooper, Ron Dufficy and a host of other no names providing their insights. I think in hindsight that the only thing they shared with Higgins is that they through their legs over a racehorse. Basically it is all just "fill " the same that happens before any sporting contest/.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: LeRoi on 2018-Jun-30, 03:22 PM
Dunno.

But I reckon he's the most knowledgeable of people I've ever heard vis-a-vis racehorses.

Interesting....hopefully he gets another gig.

Anyone using the guys at TheRaceClub? Seems like they give it on the website for free now, with their NSW guy also posting his thoughts on twitter.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Jun-30, 05:27 PM
Yes I remember when ; I think it was 3UZ pioneered this type of thing with the late great rider Roy Higgins casting his eye over the contestants in the mounting yard. Since then we have had  various' " personalities " giving us the benefit of their so called expertise. We have endured the likes of Bernie Cooper, Ron Dufficy and a host of other no names providing their insights. I think in hindsight that the only thing they shared with Higgins is that they through their legs over a racehorse. Basically it is all just "fill " the same that happens before any sporting contest/.

After retiring as a jockey Roy Higgins got his break at the mounting yard caper, when on the first race he offered his expertise he potted an odds on favourite trained by Robert Smerdon, which subsequently ran poorly.
I was attending the races when Roy Higgins was "casting his eye over the contestants in the mounting yard", however I can assure you before he ever caste his eye over the horses he was either watching the bookies' boards and/or writing down tote odds, neither of which should have influenced his tips which were supposedly based on their mounting yard appearance.
If a horse was well backed, prior to entering the mounting yard, regardless of its form, Roy usually had it in his tips.
.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: timw on 2018-Jun-30, 05:59 PM
At Caulfield I remember Roy Higgins would give his tips from the exercise yard which was past the winning post.  He was wired up to a black box about the size of a couple of loaves of bread (presumably a transceiver).  Typically he mentioned half a dozen horses he though had chances and if he mentioned my pick I would put something on otherwise no bet. 

Cheers
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JayDee on 2018-Jul-01, 10:57 AM
Don't tell me if the horse looks good today.

Tell me if it looks or behaves better or worse than it did last start, the start before or the last time it won.

The older I get the more convinced I become of the importance of judging if a horse will improve, is unlikely to repeat or improve, or has reasons to be forgiven in form analysis.

Dave, the above post is the key to the mounting yard. You are correct in your thoughts in reference to affirmation being sought by mounting yard assessors. All pros do the form and the mounting yard is just another tool in assessing final betting strategies. Hence the big syndicates such as ZR betting so late. The vital cog in the mounting yard is finding the horses that have factors negatively affecting their performance and being able to exclude them. By ruling out these runners places percentages in your favour to obtain value around them. A 7/2 chance ruled out floats 28% back into the market which typically trades at 103%. If you rule out more runners value improves. This why we see these syndicates backing 5 or 6 or 7 runners sometimes as the percentages favour them.

Just another tool in the shed Dave...remember it’s not how big it’s how..............!

*notable that having a ‘dead’ one also provides these syndicates with the same percentage value as per penning one from the yard. Difference being they are usually a lot shorter than 7/2.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-16, 06:24 PM
Wot is still here, after 30 years I tip winners after winners for free, mounting yard fitness % tips off 3 monitors.

On track for mega % profits.

Good luck

James
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-16, 10:05 PM
HOW BIG IS A HORSE TO WIN.

When looking in the mounting yards rating 500 - 600 horses a day which I do in a fitness %, you just have to take into account a bigger horses against a small horse.

The smaller horse will lose 8/10 times. James live mounting yard tips
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-17, 07:48 AM
Punters need to know how fit your next bet is, it is not in your form guides.

You may as well throw a dart at times.

I don't study the form, just rate on a percentage of fitness.

James
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-17, 11:19 AM
We know that Wot.

Time to stop teling us about your business  :lol:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-17, 11:40 AM
From memory WOT stands for Win On Track but WOT has the ability to judge condition from the screen.

 :chin:

 
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-17, 01:21 PM
Yes, off screens now, too old.

Winners around the world from mounting yards,  free tips to punters.

Lay strike rate 99.50% best run 618 winners in a row.l

James
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-17, 01:55 PM

Lay strike rate 99.50% best run 618 winners in a row.l

James

WOW

  :noteworthy:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: nemisis on 2019-Dec-17, 01:57 PM
If your mounting yards tips are free James, you're welcome to post them here......give yourself a trial run.

Very game doing mounting yard tips around the Victorian city tracks this time of year, as far as I'm concerned.......hard as concrete generally and plenty of concussed horses.

A horse that may have jarred up after his last run is one thing the eye won't pick up unless it's lame.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-17, 02:55 PM
Don't tell me if the horse looks good today.

Tell me if it looks or behaves better or worse than it did last start, the start before or the last time it won.

The older I get the more convinced I become of the importance of judging if a horse will improve, is unlikely to repeat or improve, or has reasons to be forgiven in form analysis.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Absolutely Wenona.  :clap2:

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-17, 02:57 PM
If your mounting yards tips are free James, you're welcome to post them here......give yourself a trial run.

Very game doing mounting yard tips around the Victorian city tracks this time of year, as far as I'm concerned.......hard as concrete generally and plenty of concussed horses.

A horse that may have jarred up after his last run is one thing the eye won't pick up unless it's lame.

Nemisis we've long been through this before, James aka WOT aka 28.8 has been found out before.

Safe to say it's nothing but deluded dribble.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: arthur on 2019-Dec-17, 03:49 PM
Bradman only got 99.4  :no1:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-17, 04:45 PM
Bradman only got 99.4  :no1:


 :clap2: :clap2:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-17, 05:31 PM
Bradman only got 99.4  :no1:

  :biggrin:   :biggrin:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-17, 11:06 PM
What did I learn Friday?
 

·        12noon till 8pm…too long for this old bloke, 600 – 800 in order of fitness % ratings is too much.

·        The moral to the story is hit it hard for 2-3 hours, 200 horses in a % of fitness and go back to bed.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-17, 11:12 PM
Google me and go to red link live and see thousands of winners tipped in the archives.

On free live tomorrow about 10.45am because of the heat.

If you are happy with you own system, that's ok.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-18, 07:21 AM
Do you back your own tips?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-19, 12:08 PM
I aim for 1,000% profit a day, some days 10,000%

I'm sitting around 65% - 82% win strike rate, touch wood.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-19, 12:16 PM
1.      I cut out the 5th fitness rating to just 4 fitness tips to save costs and increase profits.

2.      Then I entered the first 2 fittest horses on a line above to make it clear to punters they are the fittest

3.      All ROVING exotic costs went from (with 2 fitness bankers) from $320 to $110 per race.

4.      Now $11 gets you 10% of the lot roving both 2 fittest horses separately. (2 chances to win or doubled up)

5.      I passed on many races I thought we could not win on. We are here to win.

 

What Happened.

·        Bingo: 7 races, 6 winning profits, 1 lost a bit.

·        4 horses, run 1-2, 1-2-3 or 1-2-3-4 huge.

·        Profit up to 10,000%, that sure is some new fitness system!

·        The win and place on fittest or hedge bet both fittest just kept returning profits.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-19, 12:18 PM
I have cut out pick 4's in my stats, u just cant get enough in with only 4 tips.

Fittest horse rove quinella, exacta and trifecta costs $5.80 flex bet and winning big time.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2019-Dec-19, 12:47 PM
You and Mair should start a thread and talk to each other - keeping all your dribble in the one place.

You'd probably get along like a house on ifre.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-19, 01:55 PM
28.8 , why don’t you give us a free trial over the coming weeks
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-19, 04:13 PM
It is free, just look around
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2019-Dec-19, 05:43 PM
I have cut out pick 4's in my stats, u just cant get enough in with only 4 tips.

Fittest horse rove quinella, exacta and trifecta costs $5.80 flex bet and winning big time.
Rove a quinella, ? You must therefore level stake, even with horses you do not believe are fit and cannot win. What do think of that approach jfc ?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-19, 05:48 PM
a week ago

(Last night 2k% - 3k% profits dogs, 1 hour, live streaming on the way to the boxes)

Fittest dog, with best early speed and gets around the first corner in front.

Great stats, tipped 8 dog winners live in a row.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-19, 05:51 PM
BINGO

Another great day for members 

·        80% win STRIKE RATE – 100% win strike rate with others was 2nd and 3rd fittest.
·        100% place strike rate fittest horse.
·        Nearly all exotics in
1,000's % profits
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-19, 05:53 PM
We are on fire!  20,000% profit last 2 weeks.

We are FREE live mounting yard fitness tips this week (subject to change)

30,000% profit last month.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-19, 05:56 PM
You cannot win on every race.

I pass on about 65% of races after I do their fitness %, if I see no edge for members, I do no tips.

It works and no run of losing outs.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-19, 07:25 PM
You and Mair should start a thread and talk to each other - keeping all your dribble in the one place.

You'd probably get along like a house on ifre.

Maybe you're onto something  :chin: Ol Pete loves a tipster, he should be able to make his fortune following WOT. Going off the results he can retire in a week  :shutup:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-19, 08:34 PM
Gin, is there a reason old 28 won’t put his thoughts here ore race?
At least Pete has his brain farts that puts his nonsense out there.......to be proven wrong


Mind you! Like a Mair, 28, doesn’t seem to want to address others legitimate  questions  :chin:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-20, 01:02 PM
HORSES SWEATING UP:

We have hot weather and most horses are sweating up in the yard, not an issue.

 If it is a cool day and your bet is sweating up it is a problem.
 If any horse breaks out in a white lather of sweat, that is a big issue.

James
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-20, 06:28 PM
28.8 , why don’t you give us a free trial over the coming weeks

I’ll try again
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-21, 08:00 AM
What number do I back?

If your final form analyst says back the 3 or the 14, 7/10 times the handicapper will be right,
so back the higher weighted horse, the 3.

If you want to win come with me.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-21, 08:05 AM
Mounting Yard Fitness tipsters.

I recently did a world wide situation vacant for mounting fitness tipsters to contact me as I am interested in a global edge for punters.

No replies as yet, they are as scarce as hens teeth those that can handle the pressure required.

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-21, 08:42 AM

Want to be a mounting yard tipster?


Every Saturday I rate over 500 horses in an order of fitness, I take on the other networks with 30 – 40
expert form analyst in every aspect of MUST HAVE INFORMATION and they still run 2nd.

Want to be a mounting yard tipster?

•   Allow 10 years
•   Create your own formula
•   Do millions of ratings on horses and dogs
•   Show no emotions  (good idea not to bet too much)
•   Don’t  be influenced by others
•   Train yourself to focus for 6 hours on end  (try 10 hours of playing snooker or billiards)
•   Don’t waste your time on form study, it won’t stand up.
•   Understand the science of animal fitness
•   Don’t get sucked into pressure situations.
•   Stay clear of debating, you will ALWAYS LOSE.

Good luck, see u in 21-12-2029.

If you want to win come with me
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: napes on 2019-Dec-21, 09:05 AM
Are there no moderators left on this forum?

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-21, 10:45 AM
Napes

WOT is not your common  or garden scammer.

He has a special place in the hearts of all those who have been on this and its prior forum.


 
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-21, 11:01 AM
Betting Distance Races.

Betting distances over 2200m, always put the top weight in your exotics.

Handicapper says it’s not the best horse in the race, but is the best stayer.

Some get up at huge odds.

James
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-21, 11:05 AM
What I say is well over every bodies head after my 32 years fitness research.

So if you don't understand it, just get rid of him.

A very simple solution and things will then go back to normal.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-21, 12:28 PM
Are there no moderators left on this forum?

You know when you drive past a car crash and it's impossible not to watch  :icecream:  :shy:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-21, 12:34 PM
What I say is well over every bodies head after my 32 years fitness research.

So if you don't understand it, just get rid of him.

A very simple solution and things will then go back to normal.

No WOT there's still a few of us around from the previous time you stuck your head up  ;) you dribbled and droned on for ages yet when you finally put up some selections before the race you were well and truly exposed as a fraud.

Should we mention the time Sladey posted pictures for you to rate fitness wise, remember? Do I need to remind you that you rated the fittest horse but unfortunately for you it was a stallion! Encosta De Lago from memory who had been standing for a number of years  :lol:

Even this nuffie can tell the difference between a horse in work and one who has let down into a stallion yet you failed miserably.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-21, 12:49 PM
Yes I got well and truly set up in 1988
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-21, 02:23 PM
I was in the mounting yards in INDIA last week and any horse that won't go in the stalls, they take it around the front and back it in.

That is smart.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-21, 03:00 PM
Yes I got well and truly set up in 1988

Set up? Nah you were exposed for what you are  :whistle:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-22, 09:42 AM
 

Subject: FAV RISK - UNFIT FAVOURITE to lose.

 
Good morning punters, my emails are running hot with the new FAV RISK green alert link 

·       With 99.50% strike rate on unfit favourites LOSING, this is good news for punters and you can go there live on race days for free.

·       If a mounting yard tipster can rate the fittest horses, they should also be able to rate unfit favourites for Betfair lays or time to take the overs.

I call an unfit favourite when I have at least 4 horses fitter, just to make sure.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-22, 10:48 AM
Why oh why haven't you been snapped up by one of the networks with that sort of strike rate?  :chin:  :dry:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-22, 08:26 PM
Bumped for PP
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-23, 08:11 AM
ONE TIP RACE

These are basically the races that I bet on the fittest horse, and with a 100% strike rate of 1-2-3, they are serious tips to follow. James
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-23, 08:15 AM
NO COW BONE

Farmer Brown has his milkers on his paddocks, they all have pronounce hip bone features.

I call this COW BONE

If you see this in the mounting yards on a horse, stay clear of a bet.

The horse has lower strength factors and will not finish off the race as it should
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-24, 06:40 PM
ONE TIP RACES:  free live from the mounting yards.

2/2 today, both walked in. 

Average win price $2.30

100% strike rate so far.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-24, 06:46 PM
Bloody hell

I missed them.

I could have been rolling in dough but, alas, not. :sad:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-24, 07:04 PM
ONE TIP RACES:  free live from the mounting yards.

2/2 today, both walked in. 

Average win price $2.30

100% strike rate so far.

So where did you divulge theses tips?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: arthur on 2019-Dec-24, 08:11 PM
Bloody hell

I missed them.

I could have been rolling in dough but, alas, not. :sad:

Wouldn't have been a button off your vest . .

But seriously . . Why do you guys continue to give this urger oxygen  :confused1:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-24, 09:36 PM

WOT IS MY POT?


With so many winning races on different bets, I have never tried to work out our POT.

Having watched a lot of pro punter videos over the years, it seems that 1.5% - 3% is great POT for a pro punter to make a killing.

Though early days with my ONE TIP RACE only a super fit horses with a fitness edge,
plus with a strike rate of 100% 1-2-3 finish.

I can come to some very early POT figures.

Win POT is 15%
Place POT is 41%

See how it all goes over a few years.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2019-Dec-24, 09:43 PM
Surely 28.8 means you only get 28.8% of races correct, or that only 28.8% your betting bank is left.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: fours on 2019-Dec-24, 10:12 PM
More likely the IQ.

Fours
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-25, 06:14 AM
Santa has come good.

After 30 years on a fitness crusade my quest for the perfect system has been achieved.

First I had to rate millions of runners to "see" who was fit and who was not fit and apply a % of fitness that = 1 length.

Then see how many runners u need to show a profit.

Then stream line this process down to 1 super fit horse.

Then get the brain and emotions right to bet better than any pro punter in the world.

One Tip Races, with up to 15% POT compared to pro punters satisfied with 1.5% finishes at last my research.

I am going to have a very merry xmas.

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-25, 06:19 AM
NEVER BACK WHITE DOGS

TIP

Never put your last hard earn on a white dog.

Of all the colors, they do not chase as much, they fight more, they pull back in a race when the going gets tough more.

Why?

I bred about 200 pups and the only thing I can put it down to is that white pups got a belting from other dogs every day.

Some pro dog trainers will not have a white dog in their kennel.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-25, 10:26 PM
PUNTERS HAVE BEEN DUPED FOR 50 YEARS

I have read all the notes, watched all the videos, seen the interviews and punters have been led down the wrong, painful losing path for 50 years.

Expert analyst have made millions.

With all the success stories of these authors, now teaching the world how to retire on the punt, why hasn't punting changed every race?

ANSWER:

Because their knowledge to you was the wrong information, very vague in descriptions and does not work.

Every body was brain washed and duped they are of a higher order!

That's my opinion.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2019-Dec-25, 11:47 PM
I got this new system where I make a million% profit, yeah baby, you heard it correct a Million% profit on every race!!! Now can anyone beat that? all you have to do is ask me AFTER every race day and I will tell you how I did it!
I'll give you a hint....just back the horse with the longest tail!.....or should that be the punter with the longest "tale"
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-26, 03:40 AM
Yes it seems so obvious; back the fitter horses.

I have know this for 10 years, back the 100% - 99% super fit horses and collect 95% of the time.

The only problem was that trainers do no know how to train a horse up to 100% fitness and you will only see them that fit
in major Group 1 races, where because if their "champion" is not super fit and performs poorly, the owners will take the horses off them.

HOW THIS ALL HAPPENED.

My $2 collective bets on the TAB built up to $105 bonus, which for me is a fortune wager.

So I waited 3 days for a horse with a clear fitness edge, and found a bet,  97% fit over 85% - 95% lower fit horses.

I put my $105 on a place, the horse won by 4 lengths and I got back $70 (less their $105)

So the years and years of waiting for 100% fit horses was fruitless.

Just look for a horse with a fitness edge and bet on it.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-26, 07:26 AM
Wow. I didn't think the TAB were offering bonus bets all those years ago
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-26, 07:32 AM
The only problem was that trainers DO NOT KNOW how to train a horse up to 100% fitness and you will only see them that fit
in major Group 1 races, where because if their "champion" is not super fit and performs poorly, the owners will take the horses off the
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-26, 11:42 AM
So, given the  same arrogant bold type headings and writing style......not to mention the broad brush comments that he fails to provide any evidence of or even enter into honest discussion about it’s clear that 28.8 is Peter Mair :bleh:

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-26, 11:49 AM
Well done, took u long enough
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Post by: fours on 2019-Dec-26, 12:06 PM
I nominated the IQ some time back....

Fours
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-26, 12:55 PM
I nominated the IQ some time back....

Fours

Yes, very obvious wasn’t it :crap:
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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-26, 01:02 PM
Well done, took u long enough

Does this mean you won’t help us donate money to the charities from our winnings due to your tips?
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-26, 01:17 PM
lol
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Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-26, 03:21 PM
NEVER BACK WHITE DOGS

TIP

Never put your last hard earn on a white dog.

Of all the colors, they do not chase as much, they fight more, they pull back in a race when the going gets tough more.

Why?

I bred about 200 pups and the only thing I can put it down to is that white pups got a belting from other dogs every day.

Some pro dog trainers will not have a white dog in their kennel.

I read some dumb stuff in my time but mumbo jumbo wive's tales like this are just laughable. For a bloke who dribbles on about statistics you then produce rubbish like this without a shred of evidence. 
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Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-26, 03:24 PM
Yes it seems so obvious; back the fitter horses.

I have know this for 10 years, back the 100% - 99% super fit horses and collect 95% of the time.

The only problem was that trainers do no know how to train a horse up to 100% fitness and you will only see them that fit
in major Group 1 races, where because if their "champion" is not super fit and performs poorly, the owners will take the horses off them.

HOW THIS ALL HAPPENED.

My $2 collective bets on the TAB built up to $105 bonus, which for me is a fortune wager.

So I waited 3 days for a horse with a clear fitness edge, and found a bet,  97% fit over 85% - 95% lower fit horses.

I put my $105 on a place, the horse won by 4 lengths and I got back $70 (less their $105)

So the years and years of waiting for 100% fit horses was fruitless.

Just look for a horse with a fitness edge and bet on it.

So for all your bravado about strike rates and mythical ability along with your 'clear fitness edge' the best you could do to back your confidence was have a PLACE bet  :what:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: bascoe on 2019-Dec-26, 04:42 PM
NEVER BACK WHITE DOGS

TIP

Never put your last hard earn on a white dog.

Of all the colors, they do not chase as much, they fight more, they pull back in a race when the going gets tough more.

Why?

I bred about 200 pups and the only thing I can put it down to is that white pups got a belting from other dogs every day.

Some pro dog trainers will not have a white dog in their kennel.
Emiline Bale - Allen Wheeler


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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-26, 05:15 PM
From memory the great  winifred bale was a white dog
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-26, 05:40 PM
That theory about white dogs being non-chasers is as old as the hills.
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Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-26, 07:47 PM
That theory about white dogs being non-chasers is as old as the hills.

I had a white West Cape dog (showing my age) that breaking in looked like it might be a world beater, unfortunately it chased so hard to went through the back of the catching pen into the wall breaking it's neck  :sad:
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-26, 07:57 PM
Be that as it may all I'm saying there was such a theory.

 
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Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Dec-26, 11:40 PM
What percentage of dogs running around are white?

At Dapto last night all races were won by Black dogs except three - black dogs seem to make up the vast majority of runners.

There didn't seem to be any white dogs at all except maybe in the last where #4 was listed as WBK and #9 WBE - both looked predominately white but you can clearly see the flecks of colour.

(https://i.postimg.cc/m1xXDvMM/white-dogs.png) (https://postimg.cc/m1xXDvMM)

Do they count as "white dogs"?

Some interesting stuff on greyhound genealogy when you google "greyhound colours"......

http://www.galtd.org.au/industry/colour-inheritance-greyhound
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-27, 07:27 AM
Be that as it may all I'm saying there was such a theory.

 


Apparently grey horses are no good unless its wet but tell that to Gunsynd and Emancipation
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-27, 07:48 AM
Schillachi is another one that jumps to mind.

Efficient won a Derby and MC too.
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-27, 08:32 AM

Apparently grey horses are no good unless its wet

I've never heard that.

The theory was that they are better in the wet.

And tougher in finishes that others.

All I'm saying is that these are theories I heard way back when.
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-27, 08:39 AM
The fitness ratings of many major Group 1 races is low.

75% of most runners are trained like hacks and owners miss the opportunity of multi million dollar collects plus breeding dollars.

This years EVEREST fitness levels of horses was shocking with my average about 97% and winner YES YES YES was the only 100% fittest horse.

Runner up was the big loser, giving YES YES YES 2-3 lengths in fitness and just going down.

When you are looking at maybe $3m in different prize money, it was a huge error.

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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-27, 08:43 AM
Melbourne Cup, the same many looked like ready to go to Warrnambool for the Grand Annual.
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Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-27, 09:10 AM
What percentage of dogs running around are white?

At Dapto last night all races were won by Black dogs except three - black dogs seem to make up the vast majority of runners.

There didn't seem to be any white dogs at all except maybe in the last where #4 was listed as WBK and #9 WBE - both looked predominately white but you can clearly see the flecks of colour.

(https://i.postimg.cc/m1xXDvMM/white-dogs.png) (https://postimg.cc/m1xXDvMM)

Do they count as "white dogs"?

Some interesting stuff on greyhound genealogy when you google "greyhound colours"......

http://www.galtd.org.au/industry/colour-inheritance-greyhound

Inside would be considered white & black whilst the outside looks white & brindle.

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Post by: napes on 2019-Dec-27, 09:40 AM
While we are allowing advertising,

A mate of mine runs Flying Start Syndications.

Anyone looking at getting involved in horse ownership, he has shares available. Horses with Maher, Hayes, Heathcote and others.

He has had a Group 1 winner with Amphitrite.

Shares from 2.5%. Minimal outlay and still get all owners privileges. Small % of the costs 100% of the thrills.

Check out his website fllyingstartsyndications.com.au

He will be active at the sales in the coming months.

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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-27, 09:59 AM
On the theme of advertising, a brilliant link below for PM so he can associate himself with a winning outlook. Don’t go with the goalie uniform as you have kicked some own goals in your time.

https://store.liverpoolfc.com/kit/away-kit/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=AUS%3E%3ELFC%3E%3EHead&utm_term=liverpool&utm_content=Head

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2019-Dec-27, 12:14 PM
NEVER BACK WHITE DOGS

TIP

Never put your last hard earn on a white dog.

Of all the colors, they do not chase as much, they fight more, they pull back in a race when the going gets tough more.

Why?

I bred about 200 pups and the only thing I can put it down to is that white pups got a belting from other dogs every day.

Some pro dog trainers will not have a white dog in their kennel.


My numbers show that of the 34x types of 'coloured' dogs to run where I bet, WHITE dogs have a Winner:Runner ratio that sits fair and square mid-table, 18th out of 34.

Some outliers heading up to a 20% W:R ratio, others towards 10%, but middle of the table reads:

14th of 34: BLACK (11,551 / 85,808) or 13.5%
15th: BLUE BRINDLE 13.1%
16th: RED FAWN 12.8%
17th: FAWN 12.7%
18th: WHITE 12.6%


Sample size 140k runners. I guess you're right, WHITE dogs never win.
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-27, 12:49 PM
It  is in the run that hurts.

Not chasing, fighting and easing out when the going gets tuff.

Don't put your last on white dogs.

In a solo trial they would be as fast as any, but don;t perform in races.
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Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-27, 12:52 PM
 :chin:

What's the number of starters HH for the white dogs? Wouldn't they be at a disadvantage each race as some races would carry 7 other dogs, all black?  :shrug:
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-27, 02:12 PM
BINGO. ONE TIP RACE, WALKS IN (3)

100% STRIKE RATE THIS best world SYSTEM 

POT = 60%

Gosford 1100m
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-27, 03:20 PM
What does 28.8 signify?

I have a few theories below?

Your birth date?

The average number of winners you back in a day using your formula?

The number of submissions asking for a national racing inquiry?

The number of times you criticise RVL compared to PVL in a day?

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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-27, 04:07 PM
Jeunes.

WOT ain't Pete.
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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-27, 04:26 PM
So, given the  same arrogant bold type headings and writing style......not to mention the broad brush comments that he fails to provide any evidence of or even enter into honest discussion about it’s clear that 28.8 is Peter Mair :bleh:

Jeunes.

WOT ain't Pete.


They are not. I thought WOD was right.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-27, 04:27 PM
I am invisible, I am ninja!

I could be DR NICK?

28.8 What does it mean.

Many moons ago, I wanted a web site name short and sweet for advertising and rolls off your tongue.

Then I remember the free way billboards, BO DEREK running along the beach in hot bathers and only the number 10.

That will do me, a number.

88 represent Asian number 1 very good lucky numbers.
2 represents Asian 2nd lucky numbers, Mother and Father.

Simple

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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-27, 04:34 PM
5 bets today for 5 winners now back for some night mounting yard fitness % free tips
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-27, 04:37 PM
Bloody hell.

Where can we get onto these good things?

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-27, 04:48 PM
My web site is down at the moment, some technical issues, no dramas
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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-27, 05:30 PM
5 bets today for 5 winners now back for some night mounting yard fitness % free tips

If we follow your tips, will we get done for race fixing?
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-27, 05:59 PM
The magic continues at night time.

Probably on 85% win strike rate and 100% 1-2 fittest. in 15 races today?

Exotics on fire also, maybe 5,000% plus profit.
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-27, 06:05 PM
Another winner on top fittest wins $5.20 plus exacta in 1 and trifecta.

Massive profits yet again,

$180 exotics that cost only under $10

1,700% profit, will hit 10,000% profit today
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-28, 10:21 AM
I have been vomiting since midnight and still going, sorry no tips today, James
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Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-28, 03:42 PM
I have been vomiting since midnight and still going, sorry no tips today, James

You'll be right, you've never tipped before the races now, you should come good in time to review the results and post your usual mythical claims  :tin:
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-29, 09:08 AM

Subject: Not within a bulls roar! POT 60%

My web site is temporarily down.


Good Morning punters live and free today

•   The new One Tip Race, 1 fittest horse x a few lengths edge in fitness is proving magic.
•   With a 100% strike rate finish of 1-2-3 and a world record of POT 60% (Pro punters want 2%)
•   SMS alerts available
•   Friday 6,000% at least profit

Regards

James

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Post by: Wenona on 2019-Dec-29, 12:08 PM
Could you supply the calculation for the 6,000%.
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-29, 12:13 PM
Bloody hell.

Where can we get onto these good things?

So what's the website, when it's all fixed, so we can get some of these goodies? 
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Wenona on 2019-Dec-29, 12:36 PM
Maybe James could post a link or indicate how to access ....'go direct to live link for free mounting yard fitness % tips'

Mysteriously I can't find it anywhere.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-29, 12:43 PM
C’mon folks. We all need the winners.

C’mon James.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-29, 12:51 PM
google fit horses or twitter, not hard.

3/3 so far 100% win strike rate
POT 500%

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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-29, 01:01 PM
First in Naarcote was a horse called” Call me James”.

Obviously not fit enough as finished last in a 6 horse field.
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Post by: HarmersHaven on 2019-Dec-29, 01:36 PM
Damn Tweeter, I must be on the wrong version as I can only seem to view tweets AFTER THE EVENT.

"1/1 winner tweet", tweeted 1.15, jump time 1.00, nothing tweeted prior to jump time
"2/2 winner tweet", tweeted 1.42, jump time 1.35, nothing tweeted prior to jump time
"3/3 winner tweet", tweeted 1.49, jump time 1.40, nothing tweeted prior to jump time
"4/4 winner tweet", tweeted 2.17, jump time 2.10, nothing tweeted prior to jump time

I'm going to have to go to the App Store or somewhere and download the newest version of Twitter or something.

My current version shows ZERO TWEETS before the event starts.


Wish me luck.
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-29, 02:12 PM
Type in the banner link
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Post by: Wenona on 2019-Dec-29, 03:03 PM
I was able to find WOT's free mounting mail tips and signed up.

I can confirm the tips were posted prior to the event - except the first 2 races which were run prior to me accessing the site.

WOT tipped in 11 races then pulled the pin on the day.

I compiled the results with the view of posting them regardless of how they went .... so here they are.

P1 is top pick etc the score is obviously the fitness rating.

The dividends on the left relate to the top selection and are the Betfair SP's without any commission deducted.

When accepting the terms and conditions one of the T&C was that the ratings weren't the actual fitness ratings which I found very odd - after watching the tips today I got the impression the tips were just put into a layout that had ratings already in it - this view was reinforced when after a late scratching of a second pick the third pick was elevated up a line to second pick with a rating 1 point higher than it had previously.

           
$30.80 $16.21           
BSPWBSPPP1 CameRaceP1 P2 P3 P4 
$4.60 $1.76 Won Mornington r1797397196296
$6.76 $2.19 Won Cowra r2596496    
$3.54 $1.39 Won Mornington r21978971396496
$2.48 $1.56 Won Cowra r3596      
  $1.80 3rd Mornington r311979971096896
$2.23 $1.44 Won Murwillumbah r1796496895695
   Unpl Mornington r41196296695995
$11.19 $2.30 Won Sunshine Coast r2396296195495
  $2.34 2nd Murwillumbah r2796496895695
  $1.43 3rd Mornington r5597197296996
   Unpl Cowra r5396596295795
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-29, 06:02 PM
Type in the banner link

What’s a banner link?
Why are you scared to get us involved by helping us!
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Wenona on 2019-Dec-29, 06:20 PM
This is the page that had the tips.

https://live.28point8.com/t/latest

I found it through a search that landed me on a page where I had to register, so I don't know if you can just use the link.
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-29, 06:24 PM
I can tip 5-6 hours x  3 times a week

or

5-6 days for 3 hours a day.

I get confused when out of gas.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-29, 06:27 PM
I can tip 5-6 hours x  3 times a week

or

5-6 days for 3 hours a day.

I get confused when out of gas.

28

Why are you not being helpful to us here who are keen to support you?
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-29, 06:41 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/67rZ528h/WOT.png) (https://postimg.cc/67rZ528h)
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-29, 07:07 PM
There are always non believers on forums, I just don't bother with them.

They want attention, but not from me.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-29, 07:11 PM
How can the 4 go up a % when their is a scratching?

About 20 years ago a 100 - 99 - 98  etc were not specific enough for those close finished across the line.

So I started rating horses in a 1/4 of a percentage, to get that added edge.

So a horse may 98.00% - 98.25% - 98.50% - 98.75% - 99%

In today's late scratching, the 4 on only 95.25% went up when the 9 95.50% was scratch.

It is just the science of fitness.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-29, 07:23 PM
There are always non believers on forums, I just don't bother with them.

They want attention, but not from me.

That’s really your answer?
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Post by: gunbower on 2019-Dec-29, 07:34 PM
Can't believe anyone would give this goose the time of day. Imagine him standing next to the finalists in the men's 100 metres at the Olympic games and suggesting so and so can win because he has superior "fitness " . I guess ability and therefore form wouldn't come into the result. What a load of cr-p. !! . And yet some fools fall for this dribble. This bloke is starting to make Mair look like a genius.
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Post by: HarmersHaven on 2019-Dec-29, 07:38 PM
How can the 4 go up a % when their is a scratching?

About 20 years ago a 100 - 99 - 98  etc were not specific enough for those close finished across the line.

So I started rating horses in a 1/4 of a percentage, to get that added edge.

So a horse may 98.00% - 98.25% - 98.50% - 98.75% - 99%

In today's late scratching, the 4 on only 95.25% went up when the 9 95.50% was scratch.


It is just the science of fitness.

I'm genuinely curious as to how the fitness rating (%) of one animal can change upon the scratching of another runner?

i.e pre-scratching rating of 95.25, post-scratching rating of 95.50. Fitness improve between pre- and post- scratching?
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Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-29, 08:24 PM

They want attention

That's got to be the quote of the year from the biggest attention seeker ever!

  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-29, 08:25 PM
I'm genuinely curious as to how the fitness rating (%) of one animal can change upon the scratching of another runner?

i.e pre-scratching rating of 95.25, post-scratching rating of 95.50. Fitness improve between pre- and post- scratching?

Maybe it did another lap of the parade yard  :whistle:   :lol:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-29, 10:59 PM
It did not change it just went up the ladder and the 2nd fittest
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-29, 11:13 PM
Hedge the first two fittest, win and place, if like, that is my goal for most races to perform.

Pro punters never just bet on 1 horse.

Though most of my fittest horses perform each way, and is enough.

ONE TIP RACE

100% STRIKE RATE, Pot 40%, now this is gem in the crown, 1 selective horse with a fitness edge.

Exactas are placing members a mile in front.

You work out how your want to bet with those numbers or pass and back your own numbers, I am not right all the time.

Bet on who u like.
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-29, 11:15 PM
POT 60%
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-29, 11:46 PM
Late at night I like watching the jumps races in UK, they are spectacular.

I bet $1 a place.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-29, 11:51 PM
Gardens of Babylon runs 2nd at $2 a place, I doubted my $1 wahoo
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-30, 11:41 PM
Dogs live streaming on Facebook, On The Way to the Boxes.

Fitness tips on the way to boxes, probably 20k% - 30k% profits.

Fittest dogs - early speed - lead around the first corner - win

Best run 8 winners in a row.

Simple rules, behave or you are banned for life.

Coming again soon, a good night out.

James
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Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-31, 08:45 AM
The dogs nights live, also include harness fitness winners.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-31, 09:09 AM
FREE live fitness % tips today about 1pm
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-31, 10:36 AM
BETTING TO WIN, nothing else matters.

Win stats are not the big picture.

Betting to win is all that matters.

The other day I went the 3 @ $1.70 a place instead of the odds on (9) at $1.60 / $1.10

Both of level fitness, the 3 was a better hedge bet and ran third, bet 1 x 8 and the race shows a profit.

10 days ago I went the 1 at Flemington at 20/1, it ran a great third @ $4 a place, stats say a losing tip, wrong; was a great winning tip.

Members know this and all that matters is to show a profit on the race, nothing else.

Also the other day there was about 2,000% profit in exotics, a nice days work.

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-31, 10:40 AM
FORGET about everything you have every read, watched or heard in the last 50 years about punting.

It is wrong.
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Post by: Gintara on 2019-Dec-31, 12:12 PM
BETTING TO WIN, nothing else matters.

Win stats are not the big picture.

Betting to win is all that matters.

The other day I went the 3 @ $1.70 a place instead of the odds on (9) at $1.60 / $1.10

Both of level fitness, the 3 was a better hedge bet and ran third, bet 1 x 8 and the race shows a profit.

10 days ago I went the 1 at Flemington at 20/1, it ran a great third @ $4 a place, stats say a losing tip, wrong; was a great winning tip.

Members know this and all that matters is to show a profit on the race, nothing else.

Also the other day there was about 2,000% profit in exotics, a nice days work.

So you're now retro fitting the selections to fit the results   :lol:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-31, 01:28 PM
One Tip Race wins again members got $1.80 early.

Grand Admiral, group looking type, races green as grass but still too good.

POT near 70%, 100% strike rate.

Pro punters want 2%
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2019-Dec-31, 02:24 PM
HORSES TO BUY:

ST ARNICCA, lightly races 3 year old colt, great 3rd over 2350m.

Strength factors down, fit to improve as with blood count also.

A top trainer and fitness and this horse could find 5 lengths over 2400m and only 3!
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Post by: 28.8 on 2020-Jan-01, 08:08 AM
The War continues today, free and about 1pm
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Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-01, 02:32 PM
The War continues today, free and about 1pm

You've been tolerated even humoured but it's time to contribute.

Continually spamming in promotion of an outside business is against the forums rules.
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Post by: 28.8 on 2020-Jan-01, 02:39 PM
ONE TIP RACE, gets yet another winner $1.88 Betfair

YULONG JANUARY wins.

100% strike rate

73% POT
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2020-Jan-01, 07:41 PM
LIVE in the mounting yards in India.

Clear picture,  some handlers actually ride their horse around the parade yard for 10 minutes, get off then the jockey gets on.

Amazing
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Post by: 28.8 on 2020-Jan-01, 07:42 PM
race 7 the 3 may run a place on solid 97% fit, see wot happens.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2020-Jan-01, 07:49 PM
Led x 10 lengths and stops, movie time.
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Jan-01, 08:00 PM
You've been tolerated even humoured but it's time to contribute.

Continually spamming in promotion of an outside business is against the forums rules.

As someone asked recently, where are the moderators?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-01, 11:28 PM
As someone asked recently, where are the moderators?

Wily, there's a group of 5 or 6 - Westie, PP, Sobig, Tonto?, Auth, myself and of cause Magic (did I forget anyone)

Other than Magic the rest can only edit or hide posts, we can't ban or remove members.

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Antitab# on 2020-Jan-02, 02:27 AM
WOT

If I wanted to become a member, what would I receive and what would it cost?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Jan-02, 06:54 AM
Wily, there's a group of 5 or 6 - Westie, PP, Sobig, Tonto?, Auth, myself and of cause Magic (did I forget anyone)

Other than Magic the rest can only edit or hide posts, we can't ban or remove members.



Hi Gin
Well maybe just edit his posts till he goes away. Delete his threads

Rules of the forum are no spam. Other spam threads have been removed
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2020-Jan-02, 08:04 AM
My free live link has been posted here by a member or google fit horses, it is free.

Thanks for the many emails from racehorsetalk members now winning on fitness, most appreciated.

Free and live again today.

POT UPDATED.  Pro Punters happy with 2%

Our WIN POT is 75%
Our PLACE POT is 133%  (100% strike rate)


No form study.

World record profits.

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: fours on 2020-Jan-02, 08:33 AM
28.8,

Did I mention your IQ earlier?

130% POT on place bets is simply impossible given prices you have mentioned earlier.

You don't need us to tear you apart  - you do it to yourself!

Fours
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2020-Jan-02, 08:37 AM
Come on!

Tell me just one thing that the Romans have ever done for us?

Just one thing?

Well we do have . . . . . . .

  :biggrin:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2020-Jan-02, 08:52 AM
I have changed my name to BIGGUS -  DICKUS
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Jan-02, 09:59 AM
My free live link has been posted here by a member or google fit horses, it is free.

Thanks for the many emails from racehorsetalk members now winning on fitness, most appreciated.

Free and live again today.

POT UPDATED.  Pro Punters happy with 2%

Our WIN POT is 75%
Our PLACE POT is 133%  (100% strike rate)


No form study.

World record profits.


Many emails  :lol:

Mate there’s  only 6 of us here :bulb:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2020-Jan-02, 10:10 AM
Did you know, I have a wife?

Her name is Incontinent

Incontinent Buttocks

Her sister was a witch because she weighted the same as a duck.

So they burnt her at the stake.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2020-Jan-02, 07:03 PM
How I study the form before fitness % ratings. (I don’t study that form much)

•   Study top weight to bottom
•   X any runner resuming 2nd under 18 days
•   X any runner that has failed several times over the distance
•   X any runner drawn outside barrier 9
•   X any runner over 8 years of age
•   X any runner with 3kg+ apprentice

ONE TIP RACES:

WIN POT         75%
PLACE POT        133%   (100% strike rate) 


Then see what is left.

Good luck
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Jan-02, 09:53 PM

Many emails   :lol:  

Mate there’s  only 6 of us here :bulb:

I thought there were less now.   :lol:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Jan-03, 08:30 AM
I thought there were less now.   :lol:

There will be less very soon unless it changes quickly
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2020-Jan-05, 11:02 PM
What has happened to everyone?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Antitab# on 2020-Jan-06, 03:31 AM
How I study the form before fitness % ratings. (I don’t study that form much)

•   Study top weight to bottom
•   X any runner resuming 2nd under 18 days
•   X any runner that has failed several times over the distance
•   X any runner drawn outside barrier 9
•   X any runner over 8 years of age
•   X any runner with 3kg+ apprentice

ONE TIP RACES:

WIN POT         75%
PLACE POT        133%   (100% strike rate) 


Then see what is left.

Good luck

Do you know what POT is?

Explain to me how you only mention favourites on here and get 133% POT.

The first rule of any con man is their back story that they are selling has to be believable. You have been pedaling this bullshit for 20 years and you cant come up with a feasible history.
 
Remarkable.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: 28.8 on 2020-Jan-06, 09:47 AM
1,000's on winners on my archives, don't even try to understand, that is the simple way out.

Recent POT figures clearly show that backing the fittest horse win or each way returns amazing profits.

Win POT:

•   Saturday 35%
•   Sunday    48.6%

Then we have On Tip Races POT / Target 1,000% POT (World record)

Pro punters work hard and long hours for 2% POT, we don’t even work, just bet on fit horses!


HOW TO CALCULATE YOUR OWN POT.

This is the formula (BASED ON LEVEL STAKE BETTING)

•   (Dividends less the number of bets) x (number of bets)
•   E.G. $9 won minus 8 bets you had = 1 x 8 bets = 8% POT

This clearly will show that backing 28.8 Fittest horses a win and each way if want, returns positive POTS.








Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2020-Jan-06, 09:53 AM
Jesus wept.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-06, 10:54 AM

HOW TO CALCULATE YOUR OWN POT.

This is the formula (BASED ON LEVEL STAKE BETTING)

•   (Dividends less the number of bets) x (number of bets)
•   E.G. $9 won minus 8 bets you had = 1 x 8 bets = 8% POT



I've never claimed to be a rocket scientist but really?  :shutup: :shy:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Wenona on 2020-Jan-06, 06:39 PM
  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-08, 07:47 PM
Only a few races today.

67% Win and Place Strike Rates: 20% POT Win - 5.8% POT Place -

Last 30 days POT WIN 470% - POT Place 760%, world class profits on free live mounting yard tips.

On track for 7,000% POT, world records.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-08, 07:50 PM

HOW TO CALCULATE YOUR OWN POT.

This is the formula (BASED ON LEVEL STAKE BETTING)

•   (Dividends less the number of bets) x (number of bets)
•   E.G. $9 won minus 8 bets you had = 1 x 8 bets = 8% POT

Here is the correct formula

$9 - 8 bets = 1 x 100 DIVIDED x 8 = 12.5% POT
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-09, 09:29 AM
Well you learn something new every day eh WOT?

  :lol:   :shutup:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: arthur on 2020-Jan-09, 01:28 PM
A successful businessman bumped into his old schoolie

SBM: "I've done well in life, and it's all down to your great teaching; particularly of percentages . . I always apply your '3% rule'

OS: " Well you have given me a very warm feeling, but just refresh me on my '3% rule'

SBM: "If I buy something for $100 . . I sell it for $300 . . . . . the 3% rule



And to paraphrase HarmersH . . The old schoolie wept  :whistle:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-09, 04:43 PM
1,497% POT

Good afternoon punters we have been on red hot fire again.

Recent POT (Profit on Turnover): Record 1,497% (30 days) / Target 18,000% per year.

Pro punters work very hard and long hours for 2%, WE DON’T EVEN WORK!

ONE TIP RACES: A horse with a CLEAR fitness edge.

•   11/15 have won: Strike rate of 73%  78% POT
•   15/15/ have placed: Strike rate of 100%  111% POTS
•   Total POT ONE TIP RACES: 189%


Today’s live tips  (7 races)

•   Place strike rate 100%  POT  71%
•   Win strike rate 57% PO 96%
•   Today’s POT 167%


All good and back live and free again soon.

SMS packages available for One Tip Races.

Regards

James


Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-09, 07:27 PM
1,497% POT

Good afternoon punters we have been on red hot fire again.


Today’s live tips  (7 races)

•   Place strike rate 100%  POT  71%
•   Win strike rate 57% PO 96%
•   Today’s POT 167%



Regards

James

You continue to expose yourself WOT, not only do you continue to spam the forum with after the event waffle but you can't even comprehend the most basis maths principles.

 :shutup:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-10, 12:48 PM
Mounting yard fitness % tips:

HOW TO WIN.

THREE CALLS: 

No 1. One Tip Race, massive POT'S 78% WIN strike rate, 100% place strike rate.

No 2 "I like this horse"  sensational profits hedge betting win and place a big winner.

1,500% POT in 30 days these 2 bet calls.

No 3. Not sure, try and exotic bet. Hopeless results, either pass as suggested or add your own fancies.
 

This is how to win ON FITNESS TIPS.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-10, 01:03 PM
There is only one goal, nothing else matters.

To win every bet.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2020-Jan-10, 07:57 PM
App an you’re making shit up........like Gintara says you don’t understand basic maths......
If your POT on place bets was 71% and your POT on win bets was 96%, your POT on all bets would be somewhere in between.......depending on your win/place ratio, you don’t add them together.......
If these bets were real, you would know that........as there would be a big shortage in your betting bank on what you thought was there
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-10, 09:52 PM
They are two completely different bets, not added together.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-10, 09:55 PM
They are two completely different bets each with their own figures of POT.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2020-Jan-11, 10:45 AM

WOT checking his own fitness levels.

(https://i.postimg.cc/SjC7yLK0/Wot1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SjC7yLK0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9zCtQRwr/Wot2.png) (https://postimg.cc/9zCtQRwr)
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-11, 02:21 PM
  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-11, 02:23 PM
1,497% POT

Good afternoon punters we have been on red hot fire again.


Today’s live tips  (7 races)

•   Place strike rate 100%  POT  71%
•   Win strike rate 57% PO 96%
•   Today’s POT 167%



Regards

James

They are two completely different bets each with their own figures of POT.

Thanks WOT could you elaborate further as to how you come to that 167% for that day please?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-12, 12:45 AM
I  went over my mental limits today and went brain dead after many hours of rating hundreds of horses in an order of fitness.

Had to pull the pin and take a rest in bed.

Finished with 57% win strike rate of 43% POT

Finished with 71% place strike rate and 29% POT

Nearly 10,000% profits in exotics.

POT total now 1,560%


Any pro punter that can achieve a 2% POT, without fitness is a super legend and deserves respect from punters.

This is a huge task showing winning POTS, and not recommend you try it.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-12, 09:30 AM
Come on WOT - there's a question there for you, surely a man of your self proclaimed ability can answer this

Thanks WOT could you elaborate further as to how you come to that 167% for that day please?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: arthur on 2020-Jan-12, 10:28 AM
Leave the man alone Gin . .

He's told you that he is mentally drained
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-12, 10:59 AM
Survey: Best POT tipsters in Australia.

I found this interesting site and reported on the best web site and media POT tipsters in Australia over a period.

You have to take also into consideration that your members will win and lose on your tips, a huge added pressure.

I will put their initials up.

1.   K.C     62%
2.   L. S     60%
3.   C.P     47%
4.   P.J      36%
5.   B.B     28%
6.   C.M    26%
7.   J.M     24%
8.   M.W   17%
9.   L.J       14%

Yours truly:  1,560% since 28th December 2019 (5 week)

Knowing Mounting Yard Fitness % is EASILY the best edge on how to win on the punt.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-12, 12:48 PM
Thanks WOT could you elaborate further as to how you come to that 167% for that day please?

Surely your eyesight isn't going too? It's a simple question, surely someone of your proclaimed ability could answer in a jiffy?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-12, 12:55 PM
I am still not functioning, it was early December, not the 28th.

Been on fire for many years now, free and my POT would have be heading towards 100k% POT.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-12, 01:52 PM
I am still not functioning, it was early December, not the 28th.


Bullshit - it was the 9th of January, last Thursday  :whistle:

Obviously you've read it, surely instead of dodging a simple question a man of your self proclaimed talents would be able to answer in a snap. You want to spam the forum with your stuff be prepared to be questioned on it :bulb:

So I ask again, why won't you?   :chin:

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-12, 03:40 PM
The life of a professional dog punter.

An interesting article and there would not be many left?

Basically long hours studying the form and watching hundreds of replays.

His system is based on shorter priced win bets but his main
POT is in selecting good priced dogs a place.


After years and years his best winning run is only 5.

This is most interesting his strategies, and worth some consideration.

I am sick of backing a dog at $1.45 a place and paying $1.04

I might try this live streaming on night.

James
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Jan-12, 04:21 PM
Gin, you’ve  found your peter Mair  :clap2:

App is as dopey  as shit, pushing his own barrow, is dishonest in what he post and refuses to address questions put to him

 :tin:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-12, 06:23 PM
Willy when I see bullshit I can't help but call it out  8) You & I know he's a deluded fraud.

It's more embarrassing that he can't even defend nor explain his own absurd claims.   :shutup:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-12, 07:19 PM
Prophet On Turnover.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-12, 08:15 PM
Let's be a little specific eh?

1,497% POT

Good afternoon punters we have been on red hot fire again.


Today’s live tips  (7 races)

•   Place strike rate 100%  POT  71%
•   Win strike rate 57% PO 96%
•   Today’s POT 167%



Regards

James

Care to explain your 'claimed' 167% POT.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2020-Jan-12, 08:34 PM
1,497% POT

Good afternoon punters we have been on red hot fire again.

Recent POT (Profit on Turnover): Record 1,497% (30 days) / Target 18,000% per year.

Pro punters work very hard and long hours for 2%, WE DON’T EVEN WORK!

ONE TIP RACES: A horse with a CLEAR fitness edge.

•   11/15 have won: Strike rate of 73%  78% POT
•   15/15/ have placed: Strike rate of 100%  111% POTS
•   Total POT ONE TIP RACES: 189%


Today’s live tips  (7 races)

•   Place strike rate 100%  POT  71%
•   Win strike rate 57% PO 96%
•   Today’s POT 167%


All good and back live and free again soon.

SMS packages available for One Tip Races.

Regards

James

App you added your POT on your win and place together i.e. Place POT 71% added to win POT of 96% to get 167% POT........that is Kindergarten mathematics........i.e. if you invested $100 the place and returned $171 for a profit of 71% you invested $100 the win and returned $196 for a POT of 96%.....your turnover was $200 your profit was $167 meaning a POT of 83.5%  not 167%......now it depends on the turnover on win and place being the same but it doesn't matter how you extrapolate the figures the POT cannot, I repeat it CANNOT be more than the POT on the highest return, The average must be less than the highest POT and higher than the lowest return........but definitely not added together........you added the PROFIT but not the turnover.....and everyone but you knows it.....now we all make mistakes but if we are being honest we just say oops, sorry 'bout that........of course you made an error......for the sake of credibility you should just admit it, this is not about an opinion, this is about arithmetic.....it isn't flexible!
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-12, 09:09 PM
You spoiled my fun Dave   :lol:

In the fair dinkum stakes, I doubt it was a mistake, the bloke has shown time & again he's clueless.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-13, 12:15 AM
They are two different bets with two different Prophets On Turnover stats, because punters only bet win and other punters only bet a place.

If I won 70% POT on the cricket

Then 90% POT on the football bet

How much have I won?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-13, 12:57 AM
Thanks Dave, read that about 10 times.

I have only been on POT figures for 6 weeks.

What confuses me is that I have 2 sets of POT figures, I use for win and place results, so 41% each is not right on that day?

Will research more, I must get this 100% right.

Thanks for the post, James
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-13, 09:52 AM
Dave, you were right.

I will now keep my two POT win/place results in each it's own POT.

My bet strategy is if the selection runs a place, you must win on the race.

So a 1 win x 8 places is recommended, which does not change the POT but increases the profit and my strike rate a place is very high;- up to 100% per day.

I have to get this right.

Thank You

James
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2020-Jan-13, 06:16 PM
assuming your turnover was the same on both the Cricket and the Football.....Your POT would be 80% i.e if the bets were $1,000 on each sport and your profit was 70% ($700) and 90% ($900) you add the turnover together $1,000 on Cricket plus $1,000 on the Football.....Turnover = $2,000....Profit = $1600 which equates to 80% POT....it ain't rocket science.....
If you add the two lots of profit together you must do the same with the two lots of turnover!.......
The First step to successful punting is.....Never, Never lie to yourself!.....The figures Never, Never lie!
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-13, 06:45 PM

The First step to successful punting is.....Never, Never lie to yourself!.....The figures Never, Never lie!

  emthup

For a guy who's claimed to do this for as long as he had it's laughable that something as basic as this hasn't been grasped.

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-15, 08:49 AM
https://www.facebook.com/jim.conway.9849

2 training live streaming videos, Fitness On The Way To The Boxes: How to win on Fit Greyhounds and Fit Harness.

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-15, 08:57 AM
How to pro punt on the dogs with more winners.

Live fitness from the "Dog Mounting Yards"
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-15, 11:21 PM
Live dogs tonight, 11 tips - 8 winners on top 73% WIN strike rate.

Live mounting yard today:

One tip race, sms out, wins at nice $1.80


Excellent fitness training for punters.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-17, 07:33 PM
On Course LIVE SMS Multi code meeting at Cranbourne.

Good evening:

They have multi code meetings at Cranbourne, with horses, harness and dogs.

Subject to weather conditions, I will go live on course IN THE MOUNTING YARDS AND DOGS and send out AT LEAST 20 SMS EARLY Fitness tips during the night.

A great time.

Think about it and if interested please drop me a line and I will contact you later.

Regards

James

The Prophet On Turnover King.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2020-Jan-17, 07:45 PM
On Course LIVE SMS Multi code meeting at Cranbourne.

Good evening:

They have multi code meetings at Cranbourne, with horses, harness and dogs.

FFS you numpty.

You post this AFTER R6 of Cranbourne thoroughbreds. Race 6 of 9.

Unless Cranny trots race out of Cobram/Melton - there are no Cranny trots tonight.

Unless Cranny dogs race out of Healesville/Sale/Geelong - there are no Cranny dogs tonight.



Can't you and Mair FO and start your own forum? One where you're allowed to spout your claims unchecked/unabated, and he can spew his bile unchecked and not participate (genuinely) in a forum. You two germs would be a match made in heaven. Unfortunately, you'll both be the death of this place.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-18, 08:45 AM
1 or 2 times a year Cranbourne run a trio code meeting/s.

Horses, trots and dogs all in the one night.

A race every 10 minutes.

Prophet on turnover king
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-18, 08:51 AM
Our amazing POT fittest dogs on the way to the boxes is showing world like profits.

I do this live streaming on Facebook.

I won 200 races as a successful dog many moons ago.,

I read an article recently how a pro punter on the dogs makes most of his POT on value dogs a place, which I found most interested.l

I read also that 75% of leaders around the corner won, a great stat.


And that is why my Prophet on Turnover with 75% - 90% place strike rate is so good and free to punters.

My 1 tip winning strike rate floats between 60% - 80%

It is a very good free system on fitness.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Jan-18, 09:55 AM
FFS you numpty.

You post this AFTER R6 of Cranbourne thoroughbreds. Race 6 of 9.

Unless Cranny trots race out of Cobram/Melton - there are no Cranny trots tonight.

Unless Cranny dogs race out of Healesville/Sale/Geelong - there are no Cranny dogs tonight.



Can't you and Mair FO and start your own forum? One where you're allowed to spout your claims unchecked/unabated, and he can spew his bile unchecked and not participate (genuinely) in a forum. You two germs would be a match made in heaven. Unfortunately, you'll both be the death of this place.

Spot on Harmers. The clock is ticking
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: arthur on 2020-Jan-18, 12:12 PM
Try the ignore prompt
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-18, 04:04 PM
Our amazing POT fittest dogs on the way to the boxes is showing world like profits.

I do this live streaming on Facebook.

I won 200 races as a successful dog many moons ago.,

I read an article recently how a pro punter on the dogs makes most of his POT on value dogs a place, which I found most interested.l

I read also that 75% of leaders around the corner won, a great stat.


And that is why my Prophet on Turnover with 75% - 90% place strike rate is so good and free to punters.

My 1 tip winning strike rate floats between 60% - 80%

It is a very good free system on fitness.

Continual spamming and promotion of your own 'product' is against forum rules. You've been tolerated but it's time to either engage with others or remove your rubbish.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-20, 11:49 AM
That sounds reasonable.

I am thinking of going live fitness on the way to the boxes and punting tips on the dogs tonight.

https://www.facebook.com/jim.conway.9849

Could your CEO or Manager of your little members group please approve?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Antitab# on 2020-Jan-20, 12:21 PM
Jim

It’s easily fixed. You win every day.

Tomorrow post the selections on here before the race and let us see your success.

It makes sense because if you are as good as you claim I’m sure you will get plenty of people wanting to pay for your service.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-20, 12:23 PM
Its free
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Antitab# on 2020-Jan-20, 12:47 PM
Even better.

Share your thoughts with us before the fact and enjoy the adulation when you are proven to be a genius.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-20, 12:53 PM
I only answer to  your CEO or group manager.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-20, 07:04 PM
I only answer to  your CEO or group manager.

What a surprise to see you duck and weave, dodging a simple request to put up or shut up  :dry:

As one of the moderators I'm sure I can speak for the group and you have permission to post, it's no different to what you do now other than doing it before the event.

Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Jan-20, 07:39 PM
I only answer to  your CEO or group manager.


Hello magic.....yoooooo hoooooo
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Dave on 2020-Jan-20, 08:59 PM
If it's free why not post it here?? at least for a week or so, or even a day.......when you make outlandish claims like Muhammad Ali.....you need to have the cohones to back it up.....like Ali did..........you're losing credibility by the minute,who gives away a Map to Goldmine for free.......?? If I was as good as you I would be keeping my cards very close to my chest
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-20, 09:57 PM
Who is your leader?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Jan-20, 10:25 PM
Who is your leader?

I am a swinging voter. Gimme winners and I will vote for you Appman.  :beer:
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-21, 01:50 AM
Is this site for sale?
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-21, 09:05 PM
It's pretty simple - put up or piss off.  :bulb:

You've been cut plenty of leeway with your endless spamming.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Appman on 2020-Jan-21, 11:37 PM
Spam - after the event promotion

Please stick to forum rules.
Title: Mounting Yard Analysts
Post by: Radcliffe on 2020-Feb-05, 10:53 PM
Another interesting thread! With some less interesting parts.
Over the last few years, I've been trying to do the mounting yard thing at the Woolamai picnics. I had a regular routine: collect after the previous race, jot down the opening prices, keep in touch with the tote and the bookie boards until the horses rolled into the yard and then try and assess the fitness of each horse. I did it for every race for years. I don't think I got any closer to picking a winner. All I did was get a little better at picking horses that probably couldn't win.