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Offline Peter Mair

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O.P. « 2009-Jun-20, 06:47 AM »


NEW WHIP RULES: THE ECONOMICS OF CRIME

As reported in The Australian this morning,

Using Blake Shinn's ride in last year's Melbourne Cup on Viewed as an example, Bailey said a repeat of that level of whip use in the $5million race would certainly see the winning rider forfeit the riding fee, plus the maximum fine of $75,000 -- equating to half the 5 per cent commission of prizemoney.

Quite apart from the contradiction of last-year-good this-year-bad, it is a bit ambitious to think that the prospect of penalties (short of disqualification) will overwhelm a jockeys determination to win the Cup -- apart from anything else, the winning connections would be honor bound to cover the jockey's exes from the $3.5 million just trousered.

In short when $3.5 million overwhelms $225,000 by a factor of 15 -- the prospective penalties are an invitation to go for broke.

Loking back at some of the most memorable 'win at all costs' rides over the past 25 years, and attendant exemplary fines and suspensions, does anyone believe that the connections did not make good the situation for the jockey on a promise? In this vein, one of the most sensible and effective stewards decisions ever made was the relegation of Choisir in a Melbourne carnival race.

There is little point penalizing jockeys alone -- and no chance of a horse winning unfairly being disqualified.

Whatever else is done, it is past time for jockeys to subscribe to a code of practice -- including an annually signed undertaking to not use a whip excessively.

Any intention to apply the rule on a numbers basis will stand in ignorance of the difference betwen Des Lake and Peter Cook (but even PC went for broke in a Cup)



Changes to whip rules
Racing Australia will amend the rules governing the use of the whip as from 1 December, 2015.
The Board, composed of Chairs of Australia’s Principal Racing Authorities, has considered the issues for a lengthy period. It has consulted with various stakeholders including the Australian Jockeys Association which made written and verbal submissions to the Board.
In respect of Australian Rule of Racing AR.137A, the Board has decided:
1. To remove the distinction between forehand and backhand whip strikes so that there is a limit of five forehand or backhand whip strikes prior to the 100 metres.
2. To introduce stronger penalties for whip offences including greater emphasis on suspensions for serious breaches and for breaches in Group and Listed races.
3. The Chairmen of Stewards Committee to develop a uniform Penalty Template in the form of the current Careless Riding Penalty Template which ensures consistency across jurisdictions
4. Amendments to AR.137A to come into force on 1 December, 2015 to enable an education initiative to be undertaken to advise jockeys of their strict liability under the new whip rule with training programs for apprentices to be a focus.
Racing Australia Chairman John Messara AM described the rule changes “as an extension of the reforms of 2009”.
“The changes to the whip rules in 2009 introduced limits on the number and manner of whip strikes which in conjunction with a padded whip has ensured the welfare of the horse. However, too great a reliance on the backhand application of the whip has developed in response to the limits imposed on the forehand application.”
“After careful consideration, we have decided that backhand strikes should be treated in the same way as forehand strikes so as to leave no room for misinterpretation of the rules against excessive use.”
“Importantly, harsher penalties for breaches of the rule will be imposed in a consistent and uniform manner across Australia” Mr Messara said.
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Giddy up :beer:
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Offline MagiC~*

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« 2009-Jun-20, 08:25 AM Reply #1 »
What is the point of the NEW rule, if the whips are padded

Offline governor

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« 2009-Jun-20, 10:20 AM Reply #2 »
when an animal activist starts training a racehorse/s and wins a trainers premiership, i may take some notice, until then i wont ask them how to train or ride a horse and expect they wont ask me how to protect a green frog in a swamp.

but the ruling bodies keep acting on advice from people who are not experts in there field and we as an industry suffer. there is no other industry that works like that and nor would they.

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« 2009-Jun-20, 12:41 PM Reply #3 »
animal activists are a bunch of  :censored: s after peta registered a complaint about President Obama killing a fly with a slap during an interview proves they have no credability and why the powers that be keep running scared amazes me.

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« 2009-Jun-20, 01:02 PM Reply #4 »
animal activists are a bunch of  :censored: s after peta registered a complaint about President Obama killing a fly with a slap during an interview proves they have no credability and why the powers that be keep running scared amazes me.

There is nothing wrong with campaigning for Animal rights, but i do wonder why the powers that be change policy because of any pressure from such groups. They would hardly be likely to turn an election.

If Animal lobby groups have no influence at election time, why do politicians run scared of them ?

Nobody can ever explain this without resorting to idiotic name calling.

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« 2009-Aug-01, 08:03 AM Reply #5 »
Interesting to see who will be the first jockey pinged.

Offline monologue

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« 2009-Aug-01, 08:10 AM Reply #6 »
Put up a market for us Geof


Shane Scriven is riding up at Darwin today so he may be out of the limelight a bit.

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« 2009-Aug-01, 01:10 PM Reply #7 »
Can excessive or incorrect whip use be used as grounds for a protest?

If not, why not?

Offline grandstand

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« 2009-Aug-01, 01:36 PM Reply #8 »
thats a good point! i will have a look and find out

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« 2009-Aug-01, 05:21 PM Reply #9 »
Corey Brown was reprimanded at Rosehill today for hitting a horse in 5 successive strides

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« 2009-Aug-01, 05:21 PM Reply #10 »
Corey Brown was reprimanded at Rosehill today for hitting a horse in 5 successive strides


he was let off though,as he can't count

Offline shaun

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« 2009-Aug-01, 05:29 PM Reply #11 »
i saw heaps of riders whacking away down the straight like there was no tomorrow.
one in particular in Adel' by a female jock' in winning would have done M Dittman proud.
guess a bit of leway is in order till they get the jist of it.
i don't understand if they are using padded whips now why the hitting restrictions. :chin:

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« 2009-Aug-01, 06:27 PM Reply #12 »
i saw heaps of riders whacking away down the straight like there was no tomorrow.
one in particular in Adel' by a female jock' in winning would have done M Dittman proud.
guess a bit of leway is in order till they get the jist of it.
i don't understand if they are using padded whips now why the hitting restrictions. :chin:

Yes mate i seen that the bird on Street Singer in the 7th....was hitting the pr**k like there was no tomorrow...and it was already  :censored:ing  5 in front when she pulled it out...

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« 2009-Aug-01, 06:35 PM Reply #13 »
i don't understand if they are using padded whips now why the hitting restrictions.

I with ya...i've got one of those whips...and used it the other nite on the Missus and she never  flinched a muscle....im going back to the old whip... :p

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« 2009-Aug-01, 06:43 PM Reply #14 »
Yes mate i seen that the bird on Street Singer in the 7th....was hitting the pr**k like there was no tomorrow...and it was already  :censored:ing  5 in front when she pulled it out...

I think he was referring to Hopwood in an earlier race.  I don't think Neve hit Street Singer that often, if you watch it is motion more that hitting.

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« 2009-Aug-01, 06:45 PM Reply #15 »
I think he was referring to Hopwood in an earlier race.  I don't think Neve hit Street Singer that often, if you watch it is motion more that hitting.

yeah,it was in the first,Valance or something like that,an apprentice i think as well. :whistle:

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« 2009-Aug-01, 06:49 PM Reply #16 »
Can excessive or incorrect whip use be used as grounds for a protest?

If not, why not?

thats a good point! i will have a look and find out

Did you find out, Granstand?

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« 2009-Aug-01, 06:53 PM Reply #17 »
I think he was referring to Hopwood in an earlier race.  I don't think Neve hit Street Singer that often, if you watch it is motion more that hitting.

Nah over 20 times inside the furlong i counted... she a left handed and all...i could see it well on my 63 inch .Lcd... ;)

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« 2009-Aug-01, 06:56 PM Reply #18 »
Nah over 20 times inside the furlong i counted... she a left handed and all...i could see it well on my 63 inch .Lcd... ;)

Were you counting how many times she "hit" the horse, or how many times she swung the whip?  because they are not the same thing.  A number of jockeys in the last few years have become adept at using a whip motion without actually hitting the horse every time (C Williams is a classic example).  I think she swung the whip a lot, but didn't hit the horse every time.  Could be wrong though, I have only seen it once.

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« 2009-Aug-01, 07:04 PM Reply #19 »
Were you counting how many times she "hit" the horse, or how many times she swung the whip?  because they are not the same thing.  A number of jockeys in the last few years have become adept at using a whip motion without actually hitting the horse every time (C Williams is a classic example).  I think she swung the whip a lot, but didn't hit the horse every time.  Could be wrong though, I have only seen it once.

Manikato  she was going for it and wouldn't let up....Apprentice  she is .. ;)....

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« 2009-Aug-01, 07:23 PM Reply #20 »
i am still trying to find out

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« 2009-Aug-01, 07:32 PM Reply #21 »
Matty just said that you can not protest! they set that in stone from the start. other wise there would be protests in every race for all placings , and also you may not receive  a fine the day of the races they can tell you a week later if you have exceeded your limits  after they thouroughly examine all tapes

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« 2009-Aug-01, 07:52 PM Reply #22 »
That is bullshit, if ya jockey obeys the rules and get beata a lip by a cheat.

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« 2009-Aug-01, 07:56 PM Reply #23 »
yeah i cant really understand it ... the jock gets penalised but the horse can still win?  i had all these questions before the rule came into play, i think they had the interest of the horse in mind but have changed the way it all works, is there a trial period or is this it?

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« 2009-Aug-01, 08:00 PM Reply #24 »
If the horse beaten a lip had have had an extra crack with the whip it probably wins.
It's going to be very hard to police, and also a very big chance of oncourse demonstrations by disgruntled punters.
How bout anyone found guilty is banned from carrying a whip into a race, let's see how many rides they pick up.
Thew whole thing is actually a bog joke, the whips don't hurt the horses, if they did, they'd resent it and pull up.


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