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Offline Shogun Lodge

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« 2018-Apr-01, 11:35 AM Reply #1650 »

Yes, but they were cracked in the air....not used as a striking implement on up to 6 horses etc.

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« 2018-Apr-08, 11:37 AM Reply #1651 »
And so again yesterday we have the results of major race being questionable, maybe, due to whip rule transgression.
If you believe the whip makes em go quicker, then Oohood' s connections would be filthy.
Extra 4 whacks before the 100m on the winners bum.
Debate, anyone?
Get rid of them.
Or enforce the rule before declaring winner. Easy.

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« 2018-Apr-08, 11:45 AM Reply #1652 »
Shogun Lodge,

In Levendi's win protest I thougt we were going to see th whip rules used as a reason when they did not touch.

If a few million lost on such a protest it is interesting as to who sues who for 'negligence'.

We might even see a jockey sued for not breaching the rules and running a lip second given that every one is 'used to' the stewards not enforcing the rules.... so an ambit claim that the stewards get sued if the first claim loses is especially interesting!


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« 2018-Apr-15, 11:30 AM Reply #1653 »
Zacada - prior to the declaration of correct weight, the Stewards identified from the inquiry
room that rider D Holland had struck his mount on 12 occasions prior to the 100m. When
Stewards could not be satisfied that Zacada had gained an advantage that resulted in it
finishing in 2nd placing in the race, in accordance with AR168(2) they therefore declined to
exercise their powers under AR137A(9) and did not proceed with a formal objection. At a
subsequent inquiry D Holland pleaded guilty to a charge under AR137A(5)(a)(ii) in that he
used the whip on 12 occasions prior to the 100m (7 more than permitted). D Holland's licence
to ride in races was suspended for a period to commence on Thursday, 19 April 2018 and to
expire on Thursday, 26 April 2018, on which day he may ride. In addition D Holland was fined
Overraced in the middle stages. Near the 600m had to be checked to avoid the heels
of Aloft when that runner commenced to give ground.

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« 2018-Jul-25, 01:55 PM Reply #1654 »
From August 1st there will be 17 amendments to the existing rules for Australian racing.

In relation to whips:

The rule prohibiting use of whips which have not been approved by Racing Australia and whips that have been approved by Racing Australia but have been modified is being extended to include possession of such whips by any person.

1. Amend AR.137A as follows:

"AR.137A. (1)(a) Only padded whips of a design and specifications approved by Racing Australia (“approved whip”) may be carried in races, official trials, jump-outs or trackwork.

(b) Every approved whip must be in a satisfactory condition and must not be modified in any way.

(c) The Stewards may confiscate any whip which:
(i) is not an approved whip; or
(ii) is an approved whip which, in their opinion, is not in a satisfactory condition or has been modified in any way.

(d) Any rider who has been found guilty of a breach of this rule may be penalised. Provided that the master and/or other person who is in charge of an apprentice jockey at the relevant time may also be penalised unless he satisfies the Stewards that he took all proper care to ensure the apprentice complied with the rule.

(2) Any person who has in his or her possession:

(a) a whip which is not an approved whip; or
(b) an approved whip which has been modified in any way,

commits an offence and may be penalised. “

and I will have to get rid of my stock whip...unless I own some cows.

AR.137AB – Possession of stockwhip

Racing Australia is introducing a new rule which prohibits the possession of a stockwhip in relation to racing, training and pre-training.
Under AR.175(w), it is an offence for any person to use a stockwhip on a horse in any circumstances relating to racing, training, or pre-training. A possession offence will strengthen the current rule and further improve welfare practices.

The new rule includes an exemption from the possession offence where the person satisfies Stewards that such possession at the person’s premises is unrelated to training or pre-training a horse. For example, where horses are pre-trained on a property that also includes cattle.

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« 2018-Jul-25, 08:23 PM Reply #1655 »

............ when a problem becomes a hard nut to crack ....... get a bigger hammer

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« 2018-Sep-29, 07:47 AM Reply #1656 »
Interesting thoughts through the eyes of my 7yr old grand daughter while I was watching The Moir Stakes last night.

"Granddad can you change the TV over......I don't like watching that. Those people keep on smacking their horses"

I suppose I could tell her that the whips are padded and don't hurt but I don't even believe that.

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« 2019-Nov-05, 05:52 PM Reply #1657 »


Prince Of Arran’s jockey Michael Walker admitted the whip rules "went out the window" in the drive to the line in Tuesday’s Melbourne Cup.

Walker threw everything at the Charlie Fellowes-trained Prince Of Arran in the last 200m of the Melbourne Cup but the British stayer fell a long head short of victory.

Walker ............. struck Prince Of Arran 12 times ............. before the 100m mark, seven times more than allowed.

"There's not much I can say," Walker said. "Everything went out the window when I knew I was a chance to win my first Melbourne Cup

Walker was suspended for seven meetings, .............., and fined $10,000.

The riding fee for the second placing on Prince Of Arran was $55,000  -- [5% of the $1.1 m for running second]


Using Blake Shinn's ride in last year's Melbourne Cup on Viewed as an example, Bailey said a repeat of that level of whip use in the $5million race would certainly see the winning rider forfeit the riding fee, plus the maximum fine of $75,000 -- equating to half the 5 per cent commission of prizemoney.

In short when $3.5 million overwhelms $225,000 by a factor of 15 -- the prospective penalties are an invitation to go for broke.