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Mark

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« 2009-Aug-01, 08:05 PM Reply #25 »
If the horse beaten a lip had have had an extra crack with the whip it probably wins.
It's going to be very hard to police, and also a very big chance of oncourse demonstrations by disgruntled punters.
How bout anyone found guilty is banned from carrying a whip into a race, let's see how many rides they pick up.
Thew whole thing is actually a bog joke, the whips don't hurt the horses, if they did, they'd resent it and pull up.

Yep. Look they hurt em a little I reckon but only a little sting, and the small pain would go away fast I'm sure. I too cant believe theyre doing this but anyway...

Jocks arent powerful blokes (sorry Sporty) and horses are thick skinned... A jock I once knew told me that a big strong colt would sometimes laugh at him with a proper whip and say that all ya got? So then he'd have to give him a good one... Incidently he reckoned it worked most of the time... Why blokes like Dittman used to be so aggressive at times, because at certain times ya just need to, there are so many different situations..

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« 2009-Aug-01, 08:34 PM Reply #26 »
Yep. Look they hurt em a little I reckon but only a little sting, and the small pain would go away fast I'm sure. I too cant believe theyre doing this but anyway...

Jocks arent powerful blokes (sorry Sporty) and horses are thick skinned... A jock I once knew told me that a big strong colt would sometimes laugh at him with a proper whip and say that all ya got? So then he'd have to give him a good one... Incidently he reckoned it worked most of the time... Why blokes like Dittman used to be so aggressive at times, because at certain times ya just need to, there are so many different situations..


Jocks aint powerful blokes....  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol: ....hey marky thats ok mate....hey mate if ya look at me today mate you wouldn't believe i was a jock ok...not that im fat or obese or anything ..its just im quite tall today ..and i do alot of weights work and swimming etc etc...anyway getting back to the story us jocks going back years ago...at our local tavern one nite held these arm westling comps ..it went on for weeks mate....mate you should of seen these big mother f***kers that would turn up....and the arms on these bloke....but hey all jokes aside they couldn't beat us...it wasn't just hand on hand...it was a bar we had to hold....and we would hold these blokes all nite...untill they where rooted...think about it mark ...jocks go out on the track every morning mate and have to hold these half of ton horse mate on the track...and the secret was in the wrist mate.... ;).

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« 2009-Aug-01, 08:38 PM Reply #27 »

Jocks aint powerful blokes....   :lol:     :lol:     :lol:     :lol:  ....hey marky thats ok mate....hey mate if ya look at me today mate you wouldn't believe i was a jock ok...not that im fat or obese or anything ..its just im quite tall today ..and i do alot of weights work and swimming etc etc...anyway getting back to the story us jocks going back years ago...at our local tavern one nite held these arm westling comps ..it went on for weeks mate....mate you should of seen these big mother f***kers that would turn up....and the arms on these bloke....but hey all jokes aside they couldn't beat us...it wasn't just hand on hand...it was a bar we had to hold....and we would hold these blokes all nite...untill they where rooted...think about it mark ...jocks go out on the track every morning mate and have to hold these half of ton horse mate on the track...and the secret was in the wrist mate.... ;).

Yep and every jock I've ever known (although not many) was a funny  :censored: like you lol

Mark

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« 2009-Aug-01, 08:44 PM Reply #28 »
And Sporty I'm sure you were a skinny little stick WHILST you were a jock.  :lol:

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« 2009-Aug-01, 08:46 PM Reply #29 »
Yep and every jock I've ever known (although not many) was a funny  :censored: like you lol
d I think that

Funny that you say that---my experience was mostly the same--but I know Justin Sheehan------he is  a nice enough bloke---unfortunately---had weight problems---and I think---that has created pressures

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« 2009-Aug-01, 08:52 PM Reply #30 »
Yep and every jock I've ever known (although not many) was a funny  :censored: like you lol

Mark do you think trainers just say to jocks go out and work the horse one lap around the track each morning...  :lol:   :lol:   :lol: ..but then again some jocks top jocks don't  even ride trackwork these days as there so many races on in the week...but there still riding gallops..barrier trails..and all...mate when i gave the riding away i was still riding freelance trackwork riding and riding well over 15 a morning...and most of them mothers where mad pulling horses on the track...only $5 a horse i was getting in those days ..and still half of the  :censored: s wouldn't pay as most where battlers and really i didn't care ..because i was only doing it to keep fit anyway...

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« 2009-Aug-01, 09:00 PM Reply #31 »
And Sporty I'm sure you were a skinny little stick WHILST you were a jock.   :lol:  

For sure mate...35kg i was at 15 first ever ride....at the end...was flat out riding...56kg...around 25yo...trackwork riding days was around..65kg to 70kg...

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« 2009-Aug-01, 09:10 PM Reply #32 »
So how did we go today mark....any luck mate..?....hey i was going to pm ya my late mail from brissy..but i didn't what to put the mock on it mate... ;)

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« 2009-Aug-01, 10:28 PM Reply #33 »
Will be interested to see the Stewards Reports for today as to how many, if any,are cautioned re overuse.Reckon in Darwin R7 Shane Scriven forgot all about it as he took a rails run and almost overhauled the leader.Gave it more hits  than  permitted.And A.Spinks at  Doomben on Sleek Repeat second in R 5 didn't miss a beat in the final 200m. :shy:

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« 2009-Aug-01, 10:51 PM Reply #34 »
Corey Brown copped a caution today, either him or Munce, can't rmemeber

Mark

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« 2009-Aug-02, 11:13 AM Reply #35 »
So how did we go today mark....any luck mate..?....hey i was going to pm ya my late mail from brissy..but i didn't what to put the mock on it mate... ;)

Nah wasnt a great day yesterday mate.

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« 2009-Aug-02, 11:39 AM Reply #36 »

This hitting only every second stride but no jeopardizing your finishing position if you break the rules is ridiculous.

Can't wait to see what the jocks do if one of the big Group 1's becomes a headbobber.

And if jockeys develop actions that allow them to maintain a constant rhythm with the whip but don't hit the horse every stride the rule becomes impossible to enforce and an even bigger joke.

Let the jockeys go for it, soften the whips again or get completely rid of them, it's the only fair way.





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« 2009-Aug-02, 11:54 AM Reply #37 »
Perhaps we could start a thread to keep track of the jockeys who are prepared to break the rule to win a race and those that aren't.


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« 2009-Aug-02, 12:02 PM Reply #38 »
Corey Brown said yesterday that the new rules won't really affect him as he has developed the technique of hitting after every second stride. (ironic that he was one of the first reprimanded) He added something to the effect that things might be different in  a close Group 1 finish.

Shit, when I've had my last brass razoo on the rank outsider in a Woop Woop maiden, I want the jock to do on it whatever he'd do on the Doncaster favourite, as I'm sure the owner would.

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« 2009-Aug-02, 12:53 PM Reply #39 »
Corey Brown said yesterday that the new rules won't really affect him as he has developed the technique of hitting after every second stride. (ironic that he was one of the first reprimanded) He added something to the effect that things might be different in  a close Group 1 finish.

Shit, when I've had my last brass razoo on the rank outsider in a Woop Woop maiden, I want the jock to do on it whatever he'd do on the Doncaster favourite, as I'm sure the owner would.

Ironic too because He gave Bauer a good taste of the whip and Shinn was no more than every second stride.. Perhaps the result may have been different if Brown spent more time hands and heels  :confused1:

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« 2009-Aug-02, 02:17 PM Reply #40 »
Ironic too because He gave Bauer a good taste of the whip and Shinn was no more than every second stride.. Perhaps the result may have been different if Brown spent more time hands and heels  :confused1:


may have been different if he didn't drop his hands close to home as well

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« 2009-Aug-04, 10:06 AM Reply #41 »
apparently  jockeys will be notified in the post a week or so after a race meeting if they break the new whip rules, so thats prob why we dont know of who was done over the weekend

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« 2009-Aug-04, 10:08 AM Reply #42 »
It's going to cause plenty of havoc i'd imagine, especially where close finishes are involved.
If there are just fines for offending jockeys, you'll have owners, especially the big ones, paying fines.
Maybe suspensions would be the way to go.

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« 2009-Aug-04, 10:10 AM Reply #43 »
It's going to cause plenty of havoc i'd imagine, especially where close finishes are involved.
If there are just fines for offending jockeys, you'll have owners, especially the big ones, paying fines.
Maybe suspensions would be the way to go.

But theyre makin em use padded whips arent they? So why are there any restrictions at all...

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« 2009-Aug-04, 10:13 AM Reply #44 »
Ironic too because He gave Bauer a good taste of the whip and Shinn was no more than every second stride.. Perhaps the result may have been different if Brown spent more time hands and heels  :confused1:

You got a point there.. Marky.. ;)....heay and the thing about these new whip rules that have come into play  today....i reckon you'll find more good things winning easily..

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« 2009-Aug-04, 10:24 AM Reply #45 »
I'm a lazy bastard so can someone point me to where the new rules are laid out,please?  I'm a bit confused as usual.

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« 2009-Aug-04, 10:38 AM Reply #46 »
I'm a lazy bastard so can someone point me to where the new rules are laid out,please?  I'm a bit confused as usual.

Hey grats there not even aloud to flog horses out either these days also....if they not even in contention....   :lol:     :lol:  ..which is good in a way as far to many horses are being flogged for nothing....and on the same hand its not bad rules either ..if ya want to give a horse a sneaky run...
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« 2009-Aug-04, 10:43 AM Reply #47 »
apparently  jockeys will be notified in the post a week or so after a race meeting if they break the new whip rules, so thats prob why we dont know of who was done over the weekend

Read the Adelaide Stewards report from Saturday.  I think 6 riders were reprimanded for breaking the rules.

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« 2009-Aug-04, 11:05 AM Reply #48 »
I think my eight year old grandson is onto something when he said the horse will soon learn when they cannot be hit.  Just like the kids at school   :biggrin:

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« 2009-Aug-04, 11:46 AM Reply #49 »
You got a point there.. Marky.. ;)....heay and the thing about these new whip rules that have come into play  today....i reckon you'll find more good things winning easily..

Mate you'd know having been a jock, (as a mate once told me) - when ya get beaten by a lip, ya cant stop kickin yaself, thinkin if only I'd rounded that corner a bit tighter, if only I'd got stuck into him just a second sooner and so on... I'm sure there must be a million and one thoughts like thiese that would never stop going through your head, especially after going down by a lip in the Melbourne Cup..
I reckon Brown's thought about it every day since the race...


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