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Offline grandstand

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« 2009-Aug-04, 12:11 PM Reply #50 »
I'm a lazy bastard so can someone point me to where the new rules are laid out,please?  I'm a bit confused as usual.
 

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« 2009-Aug-04, 01:12 PM Reply #51 »
Thanks Grandstand   emthup

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« 2009-Aug-04, 02:14 PM Reply #52 »
 

You bloke rode a winner at Cessnock I see GS  :clap2:

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« 2009-Aug-04, 02:17 PM Reply #53 »
yeah very good magic

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« 2009-Aug-04, 03:02 PM Reply #54 »
I'm with a couple on here why if the whip is padded why the restrictions seems bullshit to me. Mark don't worry the old whips did hurt I was leading one in at grafton one day with marlon dolendo up and it was playing  up so he give it a cut down the shoulder but the little prick missed it and got me on the arm and i had a welt the shape of the whip flap for about 3 days. I reckon it won't be long and all they'll use the whip for is to tie a carrot on the end of it and hang it out in front of the horse.

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« 2009-Aug-04, 03:17 PM Reply #55 »
  :lol:  @ Richo
I always reckoned they should do that to help load horses into the barriers.

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« 2009-Aug-05, 06:19 AM Reply #56 »
Mate you'd know having been a jock, (as a mate once told me) - when ya get beaten by a lip, ya cant stop kickin yaself, thinkin if only I'd rounded that corner a bit tighter, if only I'd got stuck into him just a second sooner and so on... I'm sure there must be a million and one thoughts like thiese that would never stop going through your head, especially after going down by a lip in the Melbourne Cup..
I reckon Brown's thought about it every day since the race...

Marky our lives are always fulled with if only.....if only i did this...if only i did that...will send ya mad worrying about that shit....the thing  is its alright for blokes like  you and others....to sit and watch a race and then go over the reply ...and say  :censored: what was he doing on that blah blah blah...as he should of done this or should of done that.....image this mate...your on a pushbike ok...going down this big massive hill and you have no brakes at all....now down the bottom is a fork in the road ..but only one leads the way out and the other is a dead end...and your getting closer and its a split second decision on which way you should go.....well thats what its like to jocks at times.... ;)

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« 2009-Aug-05, 06:45 AM Reply #57 »
Hey Mark....and talking about your if only's.....whatabout your man on saturday D Oliver ..on Fifth Avenue Lady...now what a tragedy beaten it was.. :(...but if only ..he had got out earlier ...heay.. ;)......one alley he drew on that mare...and he tried to ride her for luck....but you get that mate as you got to take the good with the bad....

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« 2009-Aug-05, 07:08 AM Reply #58 »
Every couch potatoe loves to bag negative things that happen.
Footy is a classic, they'll slow something down and look at about 14 different angles, and finally come to a decision which is still debatable, yet they bag a ref or touchie for making a wrong decision when there was less than an inch in it  :wacko:

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« 2009-Aug-05, 05:39 PM Reply #59 »
Hey Mark....and talking about your if only's.....whatabout your man on saturday D Oliver ..on Fifth Avenue Lady...now what a tragedy beaten it was.. :(...but if only ..he had got out earlier ...heay.. ;)......one alley he drew on that mare...and he tried to ride her for luck....but you get that mate as you got to take the good with the bad....

D. Oliver aint really my man mate lol, but yeah I know, I backed Fifth Avenue.

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« 2009-Aug-05, 06:57 PM Reply #60 »
I am another who can't see the logic in changing to a padded whip & then enforcing restrictions on the padded whip. I think these whip rules will create a lot of problems. I also don't see why flicking a horse with a high whip action is deemed to be so bad. Isn't it preferable to flick a horse on the side than to whip it hard on the rump?  :wacko:

There will be so many jockeys in trouble for riding their mounts out in the next couple months. Then there will be the ones who don't ride their mounts out & getting fined for not trying to secure the best position.  :chin:
Seems like a fine line & I suppose the jockeys would have a good case to appeal if they get fined for not riding their mounts out. All they have to do is say I was following the new rules & purposely stopped whipping the horse even though I knew it would cost me victory. Stewards & Jockeys will have many headaches looming over this issue.  :chair:
 


 

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« 2009-Aug-05, 07:07 PM Reply #61 »
Really the only reason there will be headaches is becasue they have gone softly softly on the penalties.

Its very simple - You break the rules you lose the race or your finishing position - SIMPLE no head aches.

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« 2009-Aug-05, 07:14 PM Reply #62 »
Well that's not correct at all. You Don't Lose the race EVER.

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« 2009-Aug-05, 07:38 PM Reply #63 »
Interesting to see who will be the first jockey pinged.
I thought this happened today at Doomben, was in the car and didn't hear the jockeys name but the fine was 1/2 his riding fee + 1/2 his sling, for excessive use of whip.  I do know Tommy Berry was reprimanded by stewards for his handling of frontrunning winner Gazza Guru at Randwick.

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« 2009-Aug-05, 07:41 PM Reply #64 »
OK
Just found out who it was a new thread says:
Tony Pattillo on Wednesday became the first rider in Queensland to be fined under the new national whip rule.

Pattillo was fined half of his prizemoney percentage and forfeited his riding fee for excessive use of the whip on Andy Said who won the Moreton Hire Plate (1030m).

The Gold Coast jockey used the whip on six occasions in consecutive strides inside the 200 metres, twice the legal limit.



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« 2009-Aug-05, 07:45 PM Reply #65 »
Tony, why did you keep hitting the horse with the whip? And he said, Andy said   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:


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« 2009-Aug-05, 08:06 PM Reply #66 »
Tony, why did you keep hitting the horse with the whip? And he said, Andy said    :lol:     :lol:     :lol:  

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« 2009-Aug-05, 08:43 PM Reply #67 »
Well that's not correct at all. You Don't Lose the race EVER.

Technically you maybe right, but didn't Takeover Target lose the Villiers when it was taken off him ?

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« 2009-Aug-05, 08:55 PM Reply #68 »
Technically you maybe right, but didn't Takeover Target lose the Villiers when it was taken off him ?

I'm talking about the New Whip Rule, where a horse& jockey cannot have the race taken off them. Only the jockey can be suspended or fined by the new rule.
What has Jay Ford Whip use on TT in Villiers have to do with it?
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« 2009-Aug-05, 08:57 PM Reply #69 »
OK I have read you wrong, I was thinking you were generalising.

Quite simply if somebody breaks the rules they should lose the race. The fact they have not made this the number one option and the fact it is not an option at all makes the whole rule a nonsense.

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« 2009-Aug-05, 09:00 PM Reply #70 »
OK I have read you wrong, I was thinking you were generalising.

Quite simply if somebody breaks the rules they should lose the race. The fact they have not made this the number one option and the fact it is not an option at all makes the whole rule a nonsense.


not at all,when a jockey causes interference,he may get suspended,that doesn't mean they should relegate his mount,protests aside that is

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« 2009-Aug-05, 09:09 PM Reply #71 »
Yep currently it is better for a jockey to pole axe a competitor & win by 5L than give him a couple little bumps & win by a head. In the first instance he gets suspended but wins the race. In the 2nd scenario he gets a reprimand but loses the race.   :confused1:

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« 2009-Aug-10, 08:08 PM Reply #72 »
Race 7 0 - 66 HCP - 1300 metres: 

When the gates opened ACADEMY MAGIC was slow to begin.
Near the 600 metres David Bates rider of ROSE MARIE was dislodged.

The stewards adjourned at inquiry into the incident.

S Scriven rider of ACADEMY MAGIC was found guilty of a charge under AR 137A(3) with excessive use of the whip on that gelding.

Stewards ordered under AR196 that S Scriven forfeit his riding fee.


Rode the horse for luck got through on the fence but held out by the winner.Gave it a decent flogging maybe the heat affected him.He should know better. emthdown

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« 2009-Aug-10, 08:35 PM Reply #73 »
It's ridiculous that jockeys have to count how many times they whip a horse. The whole whip rule is a disaster & a time-bomb for a jockey who has to decide to keep whipping & win or stop whipping & lose. The jockeys are really in a no-win situation now. What will happen in a big race, if a jock is whipping a horse frantically trying to get it to lift, then purposely stops whipping & gets beat a nose? The owners/trainers will be filthy on the jock not mentioning the punters who will be hanging over the fence to lynch him.
In that situation any jockey worth his salt will do his best to win rather than follow the rules & lose.  emthdown

The big races this Spring is where it's all going to be highlighted & it's gonna be ugly for the jocks who follow the whip rules & lose when they should have won.

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« 2009-Aug-10, 08:41 PM Reply #74 »
It's ridiculous that jockeys have to count how many times they whip a horse. The whole whip rule is a disaster & a time-bomb for a jockey who has to decide to keep whipping & win or stop whipping & lose. The jockeys are really in a no-win situation now. What will happen in a big race, if a jock is whipping a horse frantically trying to get it to lift, then purposely stops whipping & gets beat a nose? The owners/trainers will be filthy on the jock not mentioning the punters who will be hanging over the fence to lynch him.
In that situation any jockey worth his salt will do his best to win rather than follow the rules & lose.  emthdown

The big races this Spring is where it's all going to be highlighted & it's gonna be ugly for the jocks who follow the whip rules & lose when they should have won.


Yes thats exactly right mate. And unfortunately for jocks, at Flemington they have to ride their horse back to the mounting yard for half the straight right in front of the irate crowd lol


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