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Offline Shogun Lodge

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« 2018-Apr-01, 11:35 AM Reply #1650 »

Yes, but they were cracked in the air....not used as a striking implement on up to 6 horses etc.

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« 2018-Apr-08, 11:37 AM Reply #1651 »
And so again yesterday we have the results of major race being questionable, maybe, due to whip rule transgression.
If you believe the whip makes em go quicker, then Oohood' s connections would be filthy.
Extra 4 whacks before the 100m on the winners bum.
Debate, anyone?
Get rid of them.
Or enforce the rule before declaring winner. Easy.

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« 2018-Apr-08, 11:45 AM Reply #1652 »
Shogun Lodge,

In Levendi's win protest I thougt we were going to see th whip rules used as a reason when they did not touch.

If a few million lost on such a protest it is interesting as to who sues who for 'negligence'.

We might even see a jockey sued for not breaching the rules and running a lip second given that every one is 'used to' the stewards not enforcing the rules.... so an ambit claim that the stewards get sued if the first claim loses is especially interesting!


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« 2018-Apr-15, 11:30 AM Reply #1653 »
Zacada - prior to the declaration of correct weight, the Stewards identified from the inquiry
room that rider D Holland had struck his mount on 12 occasions prior to the 100m. When
Stewards could not be satisfied that Zacada had gained an advantage that resulted in it
finishing in 2nd placing in the race, in accordance with AR168(2) they therefore declined to
exercise their powers under AR137A(9) and did not proceed with a formal objection. At a
subsequent inquiry D Holland pleaded guilty to a charge under AR137A(5)(a)(ii) in that he
used the whip on 12 occasions prior to the 100m (7 more than permitted). D Holland's licence
to ride in races was suspended for a period to commence on Thursday, 19 April 2018 and to
expire on Thursday, 26 April 2018, on which day he may ride. In addition D Holland was fined
Overraced in the middle stages. Near the 600m had to be checked to avoid the heels
of Aloft when that runner commenced to give ground.

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« 2018-Jul-25, 01:55 PM Reply #1654 »
From August 1st there will be 17 amendments to the existing rules for Australian racing.

In relation to whips:

The rule prohibiting use of whips which have not been approved by Racing Australia and whips that have been approved by Racing Australia but have been modified is being extended to include possession of such whips by any person.

1. Amend AR.137A as follows:

"AR.137A. (1)(a) Only padded whips of a design and specifications approved by Racing Australia (“approved whip”) may be carried in races, official trials, jump-outs or trackwork.

(b) Every approved whip must be in a satisfactory condition and must not be modified in any way.

(c) The Stewards may confiscate any whip which:
(i) is not an approved whip; or
(ii) is an approved whip which, in their opinion, is not in a satisfactory condition or has been modified in any way.

(d) Any rider who has been found guilty of a breach of this rule may be penalised. Provided that the master and/or other person who is in charge of an apprentice jockey at the relevant time may also be penalised unless he satisfies the Stewards that he took all proper care to ensure the apprentice complied with the rule.

(2) Any person who has in his or her possession:

(a) a whip which is not an approved whip; or
(b) an approved whip which has been modified in any way,

commits an offence and may be penalised. “

and I will have to get rid of my stock whip...unless I own some cows.

AR.137AB – Possession of stockwhip

Racing Australia is introducing a new rule which prohibits the possession of a stockwhip in relation to racing, training and pre-training.
Under AR.175(w), it is an offence for any person to use a stockwhip on a horse in any circumstances relating to racing, training, or pre-training. A possession offence will strengthen the current rule and further improve welfare practices.

The new rule includes an exemption from the possession offence where the person satisfies Stewards that such possession at the person’s premises is unrelated to training or pre-training a horse. For example, where horses are pre-trained on a property that also includes cattle.

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« 2018-Jul-25, 08:23 PM Reply #1655 »

............ when a problem becomes a hard nut to crack ....... get a bigger hammer

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« 2018-Sep-29, 07:47 AM Reply #1656 »
Interesting thoughts through the eyes of my 7yr old grand daughter while I was watching The Moir Stakes last night.

"Granddad can you change the TV over......I don't like watching that. Those people keep on smacking their horses"

I suppose I could tell her that the whips are padded and don't hurt but I don't even believe that.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Nov-05, 05:52 PM Reply #1657 »


Prince Of Arran’s jockey Michael Walker admitted the whip rules "went out the window" in the drive to the line in Tuesday’s Melbourne Cup.

Walker threw everything at the Charlie Fellowes-trained Prince Of Arran in the last 200m of the Melbourne Cup but the British stayer fell a long head short of victory.

Walker ............. struck Prince Of Arran 12 times ............. before the 100m mark, seven times more than allowed.

"There's not much I can say," Walker said. "Everything went out the window when I knew I was a chance to win my first Melbourne Cup

Walker was suspended for seven meetings, .............., and fined $10,000.

The riding fee for the second placing on Prince Of Arran was $55,000  -- [5% of the $1.1 m for running second]


Using Blake Shinn's ride in last year's Melbourne Cup on Viewed as an example, Bailey said a repeat of that level of whip use in the $5million race would certainly see the winning rider forfeit the riding fee, plus the maximum fine of $75,000 -- equating to half the 5 per cent commission of prizemoney.

In short when $3.5 million overwhelms $225,000 by a factor of 15 -- the prospective penalties are an invitation to go for broke.

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« 2020-Mar-13, 12:46 PM Reply #1658 »
From Racenet article:
Competing jurisdictions in Australian racing have not been able to have a consensus on much in recent years but Racing Victoria CEO Giles Thompson says one is needed on the outlawing of whips for anything other than safety purposes.

Thompson has previously expressed his opinion that a whip ban is inevitable and he re-iterated that stance on Wednesday.

He believes Australia will have a whip ban forced on it if the states don't come to an agreement to ban whip use for anything other than jockeys using the whips for safety purposes.

A national consensus would be needed to enforce rule change and the sticking point could be that NSW holds veto powers.

The issue has been discussed at a national level but does not have the full support of the state racing bodies.

"The debate is around encouragement and I’ve been on record several times saying that my view is that a ban for encouragement is inevitable," Thompson said on RSN.

"I don’t see a world where even the racing community, let alone the broader community, allows the continuance of whips for encouragement and I think those discussions and debates continue to happen around the country.

"It is no doubt a national issue, it’s a national rule.

"I don’t think it would be good for a state to go alone in that, even if it could.

"I think Australia can take the opportunity to get ahead of the curve on this, deal with the issue, grab that nettle and deal with it.

"If we don’t, it will be forced upon us, either by the fact that other jurisdictions are dealing with it or because the Governments, in one particular state or another, actually enforce it upon us."

The Daily Telegraph newspaper in Sydney reported earlier this week that champion jockeys Hugh Bowman and Kerrin McEvoy were both urging the ­racing industry to resist any push to ban the whip.

“I don’t think that (banning whips) is necessary,’’ Bowman told the Daily Telegraph.

“Whips don’t hurt the horses and that is what we (racing industry) need to publicise.’’

Thompson said he understood that it was an emotive issue but the broad image of racing was at stake.

"I saw some coverage in the Sydney press over the weekend about some top jockeys talking about how the padded whip doesn’t hurt the horse," Thompson said.

'I agree with that, it doesn’t hurt the horse, but that’s not the point.

"The point is that from an image perspective for racing, for racing to be broadly accepted by current and future generations, the use of the whip is inconsistent with that.

"It’s one of those things we’ve all probably known in our heart of hearts that it’s eventually coming.

"I think the last twenty years of reductions on whip use is a trend that is coming at us, but it’s a difficult issue. It’s an issue that will create great debate and emotion."

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« 2020-Jun-15, 08:48 PM Reply #1659 »

Rules or no-rules: Mr Dithering at RVL suggests a Blondie rule might be helpful

..................................if  the rule has no practical meaning......... it is not a rule.

Racing Victoria’s integrity boss Jamie Stier says he’s not in favour of disqualifying horses when jockeys breach Australia’s contentious whip rules.

“Personally, I’m not in favour of disqualification,” Stier said.

“There’s a lot of complexities around the whip rules and I know it’s easy for all of us to sit back and say, ‘this ought to be done’ or that ‘ought to be done’.

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« 2020-Jun-19, 07:59 AM Reply #1660 »

Pots calling kettles black

Racing industry stewards are making a mockery of their own rules -- compounding their offense by penalizing a jockey who returns serve, by also mocking the rules that are not enforced.

Victorian jockey Jamie Mott was charged with conduct prejudicial to the interests of racing and fined $1500 by stewards over a now deleted tweet in which he claimed he would now deliberately flout whip rules.

Jamie Mott should appeal and bring this nonsense to a head.

...........the end result will be 'no whip' racing.........the sooner the better.

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« 2020-Jun-19, 05:34 PM Reply #1661 »

The plot sickened when the protest was dismissed

............check the stewards head-on vision of the race

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« 2020-Jun-23, 06:23 PM Reply #1662 »

No-whip racing ------Lloyds on board

Lloyd Williams, Australia’s most successful Melbourne Cup owner, has entered the whip debate.

His solution is to do away with whips altogether.