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Offline westie

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O.P. « 2007-Aug-20, 01:17 PM »
1 - PENNY EDITION STAKES - 1400M

Of $50000.  1st $33500, 2nd $9000, 3rd $4500, 4th $2000, 5th $1000. Standard Weight for Age. (LISTED). No allowances for apprentices.   Field Limit: 18+4 EM

NoHorseTrainer Rating
1AMBIKABarry Brook   (83)
2ANNENKOV (IRE)Peter G Moody   (102)
3AUTUMN JEUNEYMichael O'Leary   (85)
4CENTASHANI (NZ)Richard Jolly   (87)
5FINNISS D'ORPat Barns   (85)
6MISS FINLANDDavid Hayes   (119)
7ROYAL IDAMichael O'Leary   (104)
8SASSBEEDavid Jolly   (103)
9SECRET DAUGHTERHeather Frew   (92)
10SHE WILL BE LOVEDDavid Hayes   (92)
11TEMPLE HILLS (NZ)Peter G Moody   (96)
12TRULY BEAUTIFULPhillip Stokes   (92)
13ULYSSESDavid Hayes   (94)

Offline westie

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« 2007-Aug-20, 01:18 PM Reply #1 »
I just don't understand the logic of starting Miss Finland in this.

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« 2007-Aug-20, 10:53 PM Reply #2 »
I guess they have to start her off some where Westie , and maybe don't want her first couple to be gut buster's  :/

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« 2007-Aug-20, 11:00 PM Reply #3 »
I guess so, but Hayes can only miss the main opposition for so long, after ll they will meet quite a few times during the spring.

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« 2007-Aug-20, 11:01 PM Reply #4 »
prob use like a barrier trial with prize money involved and if she gets beat they can blame the bias of the track and if she donkey licks them they can say she has came back better then ever.

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« 2007-Aug-20, 11:03 PM Reply #5 »
I guess so, but Hayes can only miss the main opposition for so long, after ll they will meet quite a few times during the spring.

I don't think he is dodging them Westie, just think he is setting her for the COX Plate , and i will hazard a guess he will follow a very similar path to her campain last year in the lead up to her assault on the Cox
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« 2007-Aug-24, 08:57 PM Reply #6 »
MISS FINLAND THE ONLY "CHAMPION" THAT HAS NEVER RUN TIME RETURNS
Just Racing article by Phil Purser   

The Penny Edition Stakes, a weight-for-age race at Listed level will no doubt attract a few extra people through the turnstiles tomorrow at Cheltenham. It will also have a big audience throughout Australasia and even internationally, into places like Europe and America courtesy of the Internet, as people watch the return of “champion” Miss Finland.
 
Whilst she’s won five Group 1 races in her career to date – the Golden Slipper, Thousand Guineas, Crown Oaks, Cadbury Guineas and Arrowfield Stud Stakes – I cannot get excited about her, although I acknowledge her earnings would take you a hell of a long way in a bus. She was tipped on the Justracing website the night before she won the 2006 Golden Slipper, when $8 each way was being bet, but that would be the extent of my accolades for her.
 
In her entire life, she has never run time in any one win. Some might say she ran 1.9.52 in a Golden Slipper which is all right, but the facts and the realities are that time is a mile outside of Dance Hero’s race record of 1.08.60 - almost 6 lengths in fact. Miss Finland’s time is nowhere near what Calaway Gal (1.08.80) or Ha Ha (1.08.90) could run, and Calaway Gal couldn’t win another race thereafter.
 
Miss Finland was fortunate at ages two and three to run into some of the most legless excuses for racehorses that ever graced a track. For instance she beat stablemate Permaiscuous by a short half head in the Group 1 Thousand Guineas. Permaiscuous is a real revelation as her form since is 1st – 6th – last – 10th – last – 10th, so the next time she’s drawn in a race somewhere her form will read the same as Australia’s emergency telephone number - 000.
 
Miss Finland won the Group 1 Crown Oaks and beat Tuesday Joy. In the almost 10 months since, Tuesday Joy has won just one more race. Tuesday Joy is so talented she couldn’t get within 6.8 lengths of AJC Derby winner Fiumicino, six months after her second to Miss Finland, then she was 4.8 lengths off Rena’s Lady in the AJC Oaks. You could use the track as an excuse, but “excuses” send you broke in this game. They said Tuesday Joy would win the Melbourne Cup this year – remember that one, but talk’s cheap. We all say things on the spur of the moment we live to regret.
 
Miss Finland beat Casino Prince by a short head in the Group 1 Cadbury Guineas at Caulfield in March of this year. How many races has Casino Prince won since? Well none, and he hasn’t been able to run a place since he ran her to a few inches that day. Again you can use any excuse you like, Pluto was out of alignment with the Sun, but the facts mentioned here are irrefutable.
 
Miss Finland beat Banc De Fortune in the Group 1 Arrowfield at Rosehill on March 31 this year. How many races has Banc De Fortune won since? Well none, she only had one more start since and got beaten just 7 lengths as a 7-4 favourite, so she’s really going places to.
 
I’ve written here before, and I’m happy to go solo and repeat the following when everyone else thinks she’s a “champion.” She has Group 1 wins around some very suspect horses I’ll give you the tip. In fact arguably the only decent horse she beat at 2YO was Gold Edition and the only decent horse she beat at 3YO was Haradasun, and he was sore as a boil in the feet when she beat him and he was wearing bar plates - and Gold Edition drew over at Canterbury in the Slipper when the meeting was at Rosehill. I rate Miss Finland as the most overrated and misread galloper I have ever seen in 35 years of following racing closely. She’s equal favourite at $5.50 for the Cox Plate and she’s 5-1 on favourite to win on resuming tomorrow. No wonder bookmakers drive Merc’s and punters get around in Datsun 180B’s with stolen number plates attached to them, and have to steal from their kids money boxes to pay the rego (6 months at a time – couldn’t afford the full 12).
 
So my preview of the Penny Edition Stakes reads:
 
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Sassbee
If the race was run 12 months ago he’d be a racing certainty and he’d trounce Miss Finland as he’d be about to run two placings to Miss Andretti in 8/06 and 9/06. Ordinary run last start, but on his best form he’d be the horse to beat – not Miss Finland.
Annenkov
Has never won a race under 2100 metres in distance. Went like a mule behind Monet Rules at Moonee Valley at his first Australian start so may be a mule.
Ulysses
Only fires on rock hard tracks, but he’s not a bad galloper on his day. He’s never won in five first up goes but this race is so weak he’d run somewhere in the first four if he were right. Trouble is he’s a stablemate of “champion” Miss Finland and Ulysses is resuming from his longest ever spell.
Finniss D’Or
Hasn’t won a race for 34 months. This is the sort of opposition, or lack of it, that makes Miss Finland incorrectly touted to be a “champion.”
Secret Daughter
Has never run time in any of her six wins, but her last run was okay on a heavy track.
Miss Finland
“Champion” filly at 2 and 3 according to everyone, but she isn’t two or three any more, she is a 4YO mare and she now must step out of the sanctity of her own age group. She has proven incapable of running a place at her only two attempts outside her own age group – in the Cox Plate, Orr Stakes. Other 3YO’s have won the Cox Plate but she couldn’t. You can say she was unlucky in the Cox Plate and she was to some degree, but she had to find two-and-a-half lengths somewhere to run a place in a blanket finish, and I can’t find that amount.
Fancy backing horses like her at 5-1 on. The Gambling Helpline numbers are easy to find. Just type “Gambling Helpline” in Google, as you do have a problem if you back any flesh and blood animal that can’t talk back to you at 5’s on.
She Will Be Loved
She beat the “champion” filly Miss Finland when they were both 3YO’s one day at Flemington. Oh that’s right, that’s the day Craig took the blame for leading. Can’t have a “champion” beaten without an excuse. Remember? From what I’ve witnessed in racing “champions” can do anything – they can come from last, win on flint hard tracks, or bogs and so on. Kingston Town encountering the same problem asked of Miss Finland (being forced into the role of pacemaker) would have won by six – chained.
Unfortunately She Will Be Loved is a stablemate of Miss Finland now, as she’s changed stables.
Ambika
A Class 4 mare that has been incapable of running a place in five starts since February 21, so hardly oozes class.
Truly Beautiful
Just turned 3YO on August 1 and does have good ability. She’s got 2 kilos more weight than Miss Finland had in last year’s Cox Plate - 48 kilograms- so she gets a big weight pull, but that’s probably not enough to get her home.
 
Conclusion: Don’t have a bet.
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« 2007-Aug-24, 09:45 PM Reply #7 »
Conclusion: Don’t have a bet.

It is very easy to knock one ..... but much harder to TIP one

If you're going to knock a horse Phil at least have the gumption to at least tell us what will be beating her  :tard.gif:

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« 2007-Aug-29, 03:37 PM Reply #8 »
Take two, on again this Saturday.

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« 2007-Aug-30, 12:43 PM Reply #9 »
Part of me hopes that Miss Finland will race in Adelaide not Melbourne as Paul Gatt would get the ride......  :)

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« 2007-Sep-01, 03:41 PM Reply #10 »
Well Phil Purser you have proven yourself to be the real clever one  :beer:

What is it now 3 from 3 to Miss Finland and Haradasun ZILCH , Phil Purser Zilch

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« 2007-Sep-04, 10:06 PM Reply #11 »
How much would the mare have won this by?  :huh:


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