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Offline MagiC~*

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« 2009-Jan-27, 11:26 AM Reply #50 »
at what age magic will luke be comfortable in that position

Luke  :what:

We are talking about Wade Gallopers  ;)

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« 2009-Jan-27, 11:27 AM Reply #51 »
I think that Mattdjebel31 character was a pretty wise individual not much wrong with his argument in all this. 

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« 2009-Jan-27, 11:29 AM Reply #52 »
I think that Mattdjebel31 character was a pretty wise individual not much wrong with his argument in all this. 

Just wish he had of joined this forum .... instead we are stuck with this other character Authorised  :what:



  :lol:

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« 2009-Jan-27, 11:32 AM Reply #53 »
  :lol:  sorry mate im thinking your talking luke is to young to be duelling with larry in the room   :lol:
my mistake but thats the way i read it ha

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« 2009-Jan-27, 11:34 AM Reply #54 »
re 24. sorry im not sure how old wade is

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« 2009-Jan-27, 11:34 AM Reply #55 »
  :biggrin:

I was responding to DD's post and I corrected him on the spelling of wade's name, but by the time I had posted DD had gone back and fixed his mistake so I had to go back and fix my post, and removed Wades name altogether ..... probably where the confusion came from .......   :lol:

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« 2009-Jan-27, 11:39 AM Reply #56 »
Yes, shame he/she hasn't joined.   Authorized is doing a good job at impersonation, though. :)

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« 2009-Jan-27, 11:41 AM Reply #57 »
was Mattdjebel31 a doggies fan ?

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« 2009-Jan-27, 11:42 AM Reply #58 »
 :what: im easy confused  :tears:

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« 2009-Jan-27, 11:45 AM Reply #59 »
coincidently i do believe i read somewhere that he was indeed a Doggies fan.

One thing i am sure on, he would have wished that old forum had a spelling checker.

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« 2009-Jan-27, 12:40 PM Reply #60 »
Just took another look at the head-on.

IMO, the key bit of evidence is that SG was going as straight as a die until KL moved out and took him out two or three horses.

I believe it was a no-brainer.  The protest should have been upheld.

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« 2009-Jan-27, 02:38 PM Reply #61 »
Just took another look at the head-on.

IMO, the key bit of evidence is that SG was going as straight as a die until KL moved out and took him out two or three horses.

I believe it was a no-brainer.  The protest should have been upheld.


Neutral observer in the Race, totally agree.

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« 2009-Jan-27, 03:15 PM Reply #62 »
Just took another look at the head-on.

IMO, the key bit of evidence is that SG was going as straight as a die until KL moved out and took him out two or three horses.

I believe it was a no-brainer.  The protest should have been upheld.


Neutral observer in the Race, totally agree.




Watching the race first  impression ....i thought no doubt he'll get this.....2nd time around i thought no way my boy...you didn't milk it well enough when it happen...that made the difference

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« 2009-Jan-27, 08:04 PM Reply #63 »
Considering the margin, the bump & the fact KL took out the running of the second

horse any sane person would have UPHELD the protest  :o

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« 2009-Jan-27, 08:17 PM Reply #64 »
LR straight as a gun barrel, LC shifted out 4-5 to get him, shifted him off a straight line to go down 1/2 head - UPHELD it should have been guys :o

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« 2009-Jan-27, 08:23 PM Reply #65 »
hehe GallopER.

Regards
Hamish Crayfush

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« 2009-Jan-28, 08:07 AM Reply #66 »
The fact that Schudule Gee was fininshing the better on the line and only just got beat was enough to convince most, including me, that it should have been upheld. But I like the fact that the Stewards have stated that they were not satisfied the interference had a material affect on the placings, and did not go on about "ground lost and beaten margin" as some jurisdictions incorrectly do.

The Stewards in their opinion were not convinced that Shudule Gee would have won if the interference did not occur, and therefore dismissed it. Are we all really sure Shudule Gee would have won?

The other protest, Somersea Drive versus Mr Slick, seemed to take an eternity and I am not sure why as there is no way that it could have been upheld, but again their summary was spot on "stewards could not be satisfied that SOMMERSEA DRIVE would have beaten MR SLICK had the interference not occurred, and therefore dismissed the objection".

It is good that we have at least one Stewards panel in Australia that understands the Australian Rule of Racing pertaining to protests. Hopefully the others understand it one day.

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« 2009-Jan-28, 10:02 PM Reply #67 »
I spoke with about a dozen experienced racing people at EF today, and all were of the opinion that the protest should have been upheld.

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« 2009-Jan-28, 10:11 PM Reply #68 »
They are all playing charades. They just won't come out and admit they hate sunshine state racing  ;)

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« 2009-Jan-28, 10:12 PM Reply #69 »
I spoke with about a dozen experienced racing people at EF today, and all were of the opinion that the protest should have been upheld.

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« 2009-Jan-28, 10:14 PM Reply #70 »
Report on protest hearing from Graham Potter's blogspot:

Race 4:

Class 6 Handicap - 1110m
1st - King Leonidas; 2nd - Shudule Gee; 3rd - Cardio

WINNER FEEDBACK:
Jockey Larry Cassidy (speaking directly after the race): “He wasn’t really handling the track and when I reached the lead he shifted out. I don’t think I made contact, but we’ll have a look anyway.”

It was to be a very close look. Apprentice jockey Luke Rolls, the rider of the second placed horse Shudule Gee, put in a protest against the winner and the action moved into the Stewards room.

Apprentice jockey Luke Rolls (giving the grounds for his protest): “Coming to about the 100m mark, Larry Cassidy has given me a very definite bump. It cost me a length. It really put my horse off-balance. I had to stop riding it and re-gather him up and he’s come again once he got balanced.”

Jockey Larry Cassidy (questioning his accuser): “When you say I gave your mount a decent bump, how many strides did you have to stop riding for?”

Luke Rolls: “I probably stopped riding three, maybe four strides. I had to stop with the whip.”

Larry Cassidy: “... and you believe that cost you one length?”

Luke Rolls: “Yeah. Might even have been more ... but at least that”

Larry Cassidy: “Just short of the line, do you think your horse got in and bumped me?”

Luke Rolls: “No I don’t.”

Daniel Wheeler (representing trainer John Wallace): “They made their runs together. Larry Cassidy’s horse has started to shift and I see, about two strides before they actually bumped, he had the stick out. He was probably struggling to keep it as straight as he possibly could. He’s bumped our horse. Our horse never moved. He kept a straight line until he got the bump, and then he has had to shift out another three or four horses. When he got balanced up he made another run at him and I thought the inside horse has come out again right on the line, probably two strides before the line, and bumped us again. Clearly our horse is a 1400m and if he keeps straight on the inside horse, I believe we win. If the interference didn’t occur, I’d say the result would be different.

Larry Cassidy: “There are many points that should be pointed out. Firstly, we actually didn’t make our runs together. I was about a length-and-a-quarter behind the second place-getter when we made our runs. Obviously he come up the outside and I come up the inside. Sure my mount has shifted out, but I’ve given him a length-and-a-quarter start from the point of the home bend. As I started to shift I was clear of any other horse. When I finally did get out and finally brushed the second horse – and that’s really all it was, a brush not a bump, like Luke has said ... a severe bump like he said, has cost him a length. There is no way in the world, looking at the film gentlemen with your experience, there is no way in the world that has cost him a length. Um ... Luke suggested he stopped riding for three strides. Well, if you look at the film, he’s probably stopped for one stride, even half a stride ... he’s hardly missed a beat. It’s an ever so slight brush.
“As I’ve straightened my mount and we’ve got going again, I believe Luke’s mount has actually got in on top of me the last five strides and actually inconvenienced me again. There is no way in the world he would ever have beaten me and I believe the placings should stand.”

Luke Rolls (to Larry Cassidy): “After the incident occurred, how far did you put on me?”

Larry Cassidy: “Very hard looking at the angle. It wouldn’t have been much at all because my momentum was slowed. I actually stopped riding for six or seven strides and we were probably still head to head.”

Scott Hammersley (representing trainer Bryan Guy): “As Larry said there was a slight brush, but I don’t believe there was any great inconvenience to the second horse. The movement inwards and outwards close to the line was irrelevant. I mean the race was over in that point in time. I couldn’t see that those placings can be changed on that.”

Luke Rolls: “Just looking at the film, Larry’s mount was probably a neck in front of me as we bumped. My horse had to re-balance up and fight back and he has only been beaten a half-a-head ... short-head. I think if he hadn’t have been bumped he would have won.”

Daniel Wheeler: “Just a question to Larry. How far do you reckon your horse shifted out from the time you started pulling the stick to when you hit the winning post, and how far do you think you took our horse out?”

Larry Cassidy: “The first part of your question is irrelevant, because I was clear of any other horse ...”

Daniel Wheeler: “How far did you take our horse out? How many horses did he come out?”

Larry Cassidy: “I brushed the horse, maybe, that’s about it. It was only a slight brush. But I don’t believe you took ground off me. Over the last 100m, my horse was holding yours quite comfortably behind us.”

Daniel Wheeler: “In my opinion we counted three horses ... that he was taken out three horses.”

That brought the protest hearing to an end.

The protest was dismissed.

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« 2009-Jan-28, 10:19 PM Reply #71 »
If that was Sydney, the Protest would have been Upheald  :sweat:

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« 2009-Jan-28, 10:23 PM Reply #72 »
I thought Queenslanders and New South Welshpeople had pretty similar accents   :biggrin:

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« 2009-Jan-28, 10:25 PM Reply #73 »
I thought Queenslanders and New South Welshpeople had pretty similar accents   :biggrin:

You are about as strange as your name   ;)

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« 2009-Jan-28, 11:17 PM Reply #74 »
If that was Sydney, the Protest would have been Upheald  :sweat:

Especially if Takeover Target was first past the post   :biggrin:


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