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Online wily ole dog

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« 2018-Mar-16, 04:55 PM Reply #825 »
Cant agree mate. Fallada was 8 off the fence 250 from home and about 3 or 4 off the fence at the finish. Jock stop riding and the horse never changed stride or lost momentum
These "brushes" happen every week. Ive probably see a 100 of these thrown out

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« 2018-Mar-18, 05:54 PM Reply #826 »

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« 2018-Apr-07, 03:38 PM Reply #827 »
That Derby protest dismissal must have been a world record - I reckon they reached a decision it in under a minute.

Tye might be on the wrong end of a frivolous protest fine.

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« 2018-Apr-07, 03:43 PM Reply #828 »
Don't know about a fine PP but his evidence was so far over the top it was ridiculous.

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« 2018-Apr-15, 11:48 AM Reply #829 »
Sunshine Coast Stewards had to deal with one protest which they dismissed probably the right decision and to rule on the judge's decision to declare a dead heat for fourth when the photo finish camera didn't show the inside horse's nose stewards ruled that the judge made the correct decision.

"On return to scale a protest was lodged by jockey L. Cassidy, rider of the 2nd placegetter, BERGERAC, against COGLIERE being declared the winner, alleging interference over the final 100m. After taking evidence from the parties concerned and viewing the stewards’ patrol film, it was established that near the 60 metre mark the whip of R. Fradd struck the hand of L. Cassidy, causing jockey Cassidy to drop his whip. Stewards were satisfied that whilst COGLIERE had shifted out, they were also satisfied that BERGERAC had also shifted in, and therefore were not satisfied that COGLIERE was the sole contributor to this contact.  Furthermore stewards could not be satisfied that jockey Cassidy losing the use of his whip had had a material effect on the placings and therefore the protest was dismissed and correct weight semaphored on the Judge’s placings."
 
"Correct weight was delayed when connections of equal 4th deadheater SPUR LE JOUER disputed the deadheat for 4th between this horse and EMPHASIS.  Evidence was taken from  Mr S. Kendrick, trainer of SPUR LE JOUER, jockey T. Brooker, rider of that horse,  Mr R. Stephenson, trainer of EMPHASIS and  Judge Mr P. Chilton.  Mr Chilton explained that no image of the nose of EMPHASIS could be identified as the nose was obscured by inside runners on the mirror image of the photo finish and also obscured by the nose of SPUR LE JOUER. He had therefore ruled that as no clear margin could be demonstrated he had declared the horses to have dead-heated.  After hearing this evidence, stewards were satisfied that the manner in which Mr Chilton arrived at his decision was correct  and could not find any evidence on the photo finish that  would suggest the decision was incorrect and therefore declared correct weight on the semaphored numbers."


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« 2018-Apr-18, 04:10 PM Reply #830 »
Thought R8 Murray Bridge upheld was hard to understand.

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« 2018-Apr-22, 02:13 PM Reply #831 »
RACE 4: IGA Liquor Frank Packer Plate (Group 3) 2000m
Tangled - prior to the declaration of correct weight, the Stewards identified from the inquiry
room that rider M Walker had struck his mount on 9 occasions prior to the 100m. When
Stewards could not be satisfied that Tangled had gained an advantage that resulted in it
finishing in 2nd placing in the race, in accordance with AR168(2) they therefore declined to
exercise their powers under AR137A(9) and did not proceed with a formal objection.
 
At asubsequent inquiry M Walker pleaded guilty to a charge under AR137A(5)(a)(ii) in that he
used the whip on 9 occasions prior to the 100m (4 more than permitted). At a subsequent
inquiry M Walker was fined the sum of $1000 under AR137A(5)(a)(ii)). ENDS

Walker hit it more times than permitted .....it goes under by the narrowest of margins .....if he hadn't hit it logically it wouldn't have finished where it did......he hit it to make it go faster  not slower......yet they could not be satisfied that it had gained an advantage ...what a load of crap.

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« 2018-Apr-22, 10:07 PM Reply #832 »
A couple of points that punters don't take into account in these situations.......
Number one.....The vast majority of Jockeys now use spurs as opposed to previous to the silly whip rule when probably less than 5% of jockeys wore spurs
Number two...... not using the whip as many times as you want isn't as important as punters think it is, very few jockeys are horseman, they use the whip to excess for the same reason punters like to see their horse hard ridden....out of habit........when they back a loser they blame the unknown...........my horse wasn't hit as many times as the other horse!

There was a horse that won at Caulfield where the caller saw the jockey lose the whip.......it was well back and when the whip was dropped he assumed Rich Charm couldn't win.....the whip made Zero difference, the horse won anyway............

The whip is an over rated tool, especially with jockeys now using spurs a lot more....it is all about perception not reality....

P.S. when I said the whip rule was  "silly" I meant it is silly bringing in a rule supposedly for the horses benefit and not just allowing spurs to be used, it encourages spurs to be used?

The do gooders(and I use that term advisedly) are either uninformed, stupid or don't really care about animals.....I think it is probably the latter....I would love spurs to be totally banned as they should be, they are cruel to the nth degree.......I have owned Horses in the past and when a Jockey came out with spurs on I made them go back and take them off....not on my horse they don't!

I do not believe a padded whip is cruel even when over used as it often is...........a 50kg jockey with no understanding of horsemanship(which applies to 99% of jockeys) cannot force a 500kg horse to do something it doesn't want to do.....Brute force doesn't work with Children or Animals............
The whip is a tool that can be used to show (encourage) the horse to do what you want.....not to force it to do it....the horse wants to please....it doesn't know how important it is to get to the winning post first without being encouraged..........
there is no rule that applies to all horses, some try as hard as they can without any whip or spurs being needed....others are lazy and need some extra encouragement to find the line..........both of these types would be very small percentages at either end of the spectrum

Then there are some jockeys that horses just travel for and some Jockeys that some horses won't run for....no matter how much force is applied

You will often see when a jockey falls off and the horses continues on and completes the race it more often than not "wins" the race easy.....they are racehorses.....that is what they do....Run as fast as possible

The bottom line it is about understanding the horse.........that is what made Bart such a great trainer...........learning about the psychology of the horse....how it thinks....what it needs to make it want to do it's best.........a happy horse makes the best racehorse

Just an opinion....but I am right

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« 2018-Oct-05, 09:34 PM Reply #833 »
MV race 5  protest dismissed as I heard the steward he said they couldn't be satisfied a run existed ...from the head on there appeared to be a run but Linda Meech on the leader lugged in  took its running bumped the horse which hit the running rail and didn't get a clear run thereafter....the margin was a length but watching the race and the steward giving the panel's decision he wasn't convincing ..should read the stewards report the replay clearly shows the interference

"Correct weight was delayed when Regan Bayliss, rider of Our Sea Goddess (NZ) (second placegetter), lodged and objection against All A Spritz being declared the winner alleging interference from the top of the straight. On the evidence, the Stewards were of the view that Our Sea Goddess (NZ) had not fully established the run to the inside of All A Spritz prior to that horse commencing to shift in near the 150m. Further, they were of the view that All A Spritz maintained a relatively straight course for the remainder of the event, which resulted in Our Sea Goddess (NZ) being awkwardly placed at times close to the heels of that gelding, and on this basis the objection was dismissed and correct weight was declared. With respect to the matter, Linda Meech was severely reprimanded."

Three blind mice see how they run. >:(

.https://www.racing.com/form/2018-10-05/moonee-valley/race/5/results

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« 2018-Oct-23, 05:56 PM Reply #834 »
Protest upheld in R3 at Mussellbrook today third against first I saw the TVN host show a short excerpt from the stewards film but he didn't let the film roll to the finish and he wasn't too sure where it happened possibly before the home turn ......but very hard to see where the alleged interference occurred from the Racing NSW replays and the stewards report isn't available right now.

https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2018Oct23&VenueCode=MTk4NzkzNg==&RaceNumber=3&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=FullReplay


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« 2018-Oct-23, 08:20 PM Reply #835 »
I couldn’t see anything either, arsey  :chin:

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« 2018-Oct-24, 06:48 PM Reply #836 »
I couldn’t see anything either, arsey  :chin:

Haven't seen the stewards report yet either despite checking yesterday and again this afternoon....Racing.com provides stewards film as well the normal views we get at home pity NSW & QLd din't follow suit.

Three days after the event on Tuesday and the stewards report still  isn't published ....are they hiding something or has Mandrake the Magician made it disappear.....not good enuff. :thumbsd:

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« 2018-Oct-28, 09:47 AM Reply #837 »
RACE 7 – Heineken 3 Handicap 1400m
Chaussure – the Stewards considered an objection lodged by T Berry, rider of fourth placegetter,
Chaussure, against Gitan being declared the winner alleging interference on the home turn. After
considering the evidence, the Stewards found that making the home turn, Gitan improved quickly
around Chaussure as that runner endeavoured to establish clear running between Gitan and Mecurial
Lad. As the Stewards were not satisfied that Chaussure had established clear running at that point of
the race, the objection was dismissed. When questioned regarding his riding making the home turn
and as to whether there was an opportunity to attempt to improve to the outside of Mecurial Lad
sooner than he did, T Berry stated that after following Mecurial Lad in what was a fast run event, he
was mindful that Chaussure was resuming from a long spell and that it may be found wanting in
respect to its fitness at the end of the event. He added that when he became aware that Gitan was
improving to his outside near the 600m, he attempted to shift his mount to the outside of Mecurial Lad,
however Chaussure, which had been laying in, did not respond to his efforts and took some time to
shift out and this resulted in Gitan being able to maintain its line as it improved quickly to his outside
and ultimately resulting in Chaussure having to be checked when disappointed for clear running
between Mecurial Lad and Gitan. After considering T Berry's explanation, the Stewards advised T
Berry that whilst mindful of the racing manners of the gelding, in the opinion of the Stewards, when
there was the opportunity to do so, he should have availed himself of the position between Gitan and
Mecurial Lad sooner to ensure that he was not disappointed for this run.

Looking at the replay the horse did have to be checked and it did make up a lot of ground but the protest on past performances was long odds IMO still TB thought it worth a toss at the stumps and it wasn't deemed frivilous.

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« 2018-Oct-29, 09:17 PM Reply #838 »
Belated publication of the Mussellbrook stewards report from 23 Oct upholding third against first race film doesn't show the head on the replay doesn't show the interference as far as I can tell.

" Race 3: Maiden Plate 1500m Oakfield Romance – raced fiercely for some distance passing the 1000m. (placed 3rd), the rider J Penza, lodged an objection against Tippler (D McLellan) being declared the winner, alleging interference approaching the home turn.
 It was subsequently determined that near the 600m, Tippler was directed outwards in an attempt to force a run to the outside of Win The Flag, resulting in Oakfield Romance being crowded onto Seburst, losing its established running when being checked and thereafter being obliged to improve in a significantly wider position rounding the home turn.
 Taking into account all the circumstances including the margins of nose and short head between the runners at the finish, it was considered that had the incident not occurred Oakfield Romance would have finished ahead of Tippler, therefore the objection was upheld, and the placings amended to 1st Lights Of Combo – 2 nd Oakfield Romance – 3 rd Tippler.
 At a subsequent inquiry D McLellan pleaded guilty to a charge of careless riding (AR137a), in that near the 600m, he directed his mount outwards when insufficiently clear of Oakfield Romance, which was crowded onto Seburst, having to be checked and lost its established running. D McLellan’s license to ride in races was suspended for a period to commence 28/10/18 and expire 3/11/18, on which day he may resume."

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