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« 2018-Mar-16, 04:55 PM Reply #825 »
Cant agree mate. Fallada was 8 off the fence 250 from home and about 3 or 4 off the fence at the finish. Jock stop riding and the horse never changed stride or lost momentum
These "brushes" happen every week. Ive probably see a 100 of these thrown out

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« 2018-Apr-07, 03:38 PM Reply #827 »
That Derby protest dismissal must have been a world record - I reckon they reached a decision it in under a minute.

Tye might be on the wrong end of a frivolous protest fine.

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« 2018-Apr-07, 03:43 PM Reply #828 »
Don't know about a fine PP but his evidence was so far over the top it was ridiculous.

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« 2018-Apr-15, 11:48 AM Reply #829 »
Sunshine Coast Stewards had to deal with one protest which they dismissed probably the right decision and to rule on the judge's decision to declare a dead heat for fourth when the photo finish camera didn't show the inside horse's nose stewards ruled that the judge made the correct decision.

"On return to scale a protest was lodged by jockey L. Cassidy, rider of the 2nd placegetter, BERGERAC, against COGLIERE being declared the winner, alleging interference over the final 100m. After taking evidence from the parties concerned and viewing the stewards’ patrol film, it was established that near the 60 metre mark the whip of R. Fradd struck the hand of L. Cassidy, causing jockey Cassidy to drop his whip. Stewards were satisfied that whilst COGLIERE had shifted out, they were also satisfied that BERGERAC had also shifted in, and therefore were not satisfied that COGLIERE was the sole contributor to this contact.  Furthermore stewards could not be satisfied that jockey Cassidy losing the use of his whip had had a material effect on the placings and therefore the protest was dismissed and correct weight semaphored on the Judge’s placings."
 
"Correct weight was delayed when connections of equal 4th deadheater SPUR LE JOUER disputed the deadheat for 4th between this horse and EMPHASIS.  Evidence was taken from  Mr S. Kendrick, trainer of SPUR LE JOUER, jockey T. Brooker, rider of that horse,  Mr R. Stephenson, trainer of EMPHASIS and  Judge Mr P. Chilton.  Mr Chilton explained that no image of the nose of EMPHASIS could be identified as the nose was obscured by inside runners on the mirror image of the photo finish and also obscured by the nose of SPUR LE JOUER. He had therefore ruled that as no clear margin could be demonstrated he had declared the horses to have dead-heated.  After hearing this evidence, stewards were satisfied that the manner in which Mr Chilton arrived at his decision was correct  and could not find any evidence on the photo finish that  would suggest the decision was incorrect and therefore declared correct weight on the semaphored numbers."


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« 2018-Apr-18, 04:10 PM Reply #830 »
Thought R8 Murray Bridge upheld was hard to understand.

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« 2018-Apr-22, 02:13 PM Reply #831 »
RACE 4: IGA Liquor Frank Packer Plate (Group 3) 2000m
Tangled - prior to the declaration of correct weight, the Stewards identified from the inquiry
room that rider M Walker had struck his mount on 9 occasions prior to the 100m. When
Stewards could not be satisfied that Tangled had gained an advantage that resulted in it
finishing in 2nd placing in the race, in accordance with AR168(2) they therefore declined to
exercise their powers under AR137A(9) and did not proceed with a formal objection.
 
At asubsequent inquiry M Walker pleaded guilty to a charge under AR137A(5)(a)(ii) in that he
used the whip on 9 occasions prior to the 100m (4 more than permitted). At a subsequent
inquiry M Walker was fined the sum of $1000 under AR137A(5)(a)(ii)). ENDS

Walker hit it more times than permitted .....it goes under by the narrowest of margins .....if he hadn't hit it logically it wouldn't have finished where it did......he hit it to make it go faster  not slower......yet they could not be satisfied that it had gained an advantage ...what a load of crap.

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« 2018-Apr-22, 10:07 PM Reply #832 »
A couple of points that punters don't take into account in these situations.......
Number one.....The vast majority of Jockeys now use spurs as opposed to previous to the silly whip rule when probably less than 5% of jockeys wore spurs
Number two...... not using the whip as many times as you want isn't as important as punters think it is, very few jockeys are horseman, they use the whip to excess for the same reason punters like to see their horse hard ridden....out of habit........when they back a loser they blame the unknown...........my horse wasn't hit as many times as the other horse!

There was a horse that won at Caulfield where the caller saw the jockey lose the whip.......it was well back and when the whip was dropped he assumed Rich Charm couldn't win.....the whip made Zero difference, the horse won anyway............

The whip is an over rated tool, especially with jockeys now using spurs a lot more....it is all about perception not reality....

P.S. when I said the whip rule was  "silly" I meant it is silly bringing in a rule supposedly for the horses benefit and not just allowing spurs to be used, it encourages spurs to be used?

The do gooders(and I use that term advisedly) are either uninformed, stupid or don't really care about animals.....I think it is probably the latter....I would love spurs to be totally banned as they should be, they are cruel to the nth degree.......I have owned Horses in the past and when a Jockey came out with spurs on I made them go back and take them off....not on my horse they don't!

I do not believe a padded whip is cruel even when over used as it often is...........a 50kg jockey with no understanding of horsemanship(which applies to 99% of jockeys) cannot force a 500kg horse to do something it doesn't want to do.....Brute force doesn't work with Children or Animals............
The whip is a tool that can be used to show (encourage) the horse to do what you want.....not to force it to do it....the horse wants to please....it doesn't know how important it is to get to the winning post first without being encouraged..........
there is no rule that applies to all horses, some try as hard as they can without any whip or spurs being needed....others are lazy and need some extra encouragement to find the line..........both of these types would be very small percentages at either end of the spectrum

Then there are some jockeys that horses just travel for and some Jockeys that some horses won't run for....no matter how much force is applied

You will often see when a jockey falls off and the horses continues on and completes the race it more often than not "wins" the race easy.....they are racehorses.....that is what they do....Run as fast as possible

The bottom line it is about understanding the horse.........that is what made Bart such a great trainer...........learning about the psychology of the horse....how it thinks....what it needs to make it want to do it's best.........a happy horse makes the best racehorse

Just an opinion....but I am right

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« 2018-Oct-05, 09:34 PM Reply #833 »
MV race 5  protest dismissed as I heard the steward he said they couldn't be satisfied a run existed ...from the head on there appeared to be a run but Linda Meech on the leader lugged in  took its running bumped the horse which hit the running rail and didn't get a clear run thereafter....the margin was a length but watching the race and the steward giving the panel's decision he wasn't convincing ..should read the stewards report the replay clearly shows the interference

"Correct weight was delayed when Regan Bayliss, rider of Our Sea Goddess (NZ) (second placegetter), lodged and objection against All A Spritz being declared the winner alleging interference from the top of the straight. On the evidence, the Stewards were of the view that Our Sea Goddess (NZ) had not fully established the run to the inside of All A Spritz prior to that horse commencing to shift in near the 150m. Further, they were of the view that All A Spritz maintained a relatively straight course for the remainder of the event, which resulted in Our Sea Goddess (NZ) being awkwardly placed at times close to the heels of that gelding, and on this basis the objection was dismissed and correct weight was declared. With respect to the matter, Linda Meech was severely reprimanded."

Three blind mice see how they run. >:(

.https://www.racing.com/form/2018-10-05/moonee-valley/race/5/results

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« 2018-Oct-23, 05:56 PM Reply #834 »
Protest upheld in R3 at Mussellbrook today third against first I saw the TVN host show a short excerpt from the stewards film but he didn't let the film roll to the finish and he wasn't too sure where it happened possibly before the home turn ......but very hard to see where the alleged interference occurred from the Racing NSW replays and the stewards report isn't available right now.

https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2018Oct23&VenueCode=MTk4NzkzNg==&RaceNumber=3&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=FullReplay


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« 2018-Oct-23, 08:20 PM Reply #835 »
I couldn’t see anything either, arsey  :chin:

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« 2018-Oct-24, 06:48 PM Reply #836 »
I couldn’t see anything either, arsey  :chin:

Haven't seen the stewards report yet either despite checking yesterday and again this afternoon....Racing.com provides stewards film as well the normal views we get at home pity NSW & QLd din't follow suit.

Three days after the event on Tuesday and the stewards report still  isn't published ....are they hiding something or has Mandrake the Magician made it disappear.....not good enuff. :thumbsd:

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« 2018-Oct-28, 09:47 AM Reply #837 »
RACE 7 – Heineken 3 Handicap 1400m
Chaussure – the Stewards considered an objection lodged by T Berry, rider of fourth placegetter,
Chaussure, against Gitan being declared the winner alleging interference on the home turn. After
considering the evidence, the Stewards found that making the home turn, Gitan improved quickly
around Chaussure as that runner endeavoured to establish clear running between Gitan and Mecurial
Lad. As the Stewards were not satisfied that Chaussure had established clear running at that point of
the race, the objection was dismissed. When questioned regarding his riding making the home turn
and as to whether there was an opportunity to attempt to improve to the outside of Mecurial Lad
sooner than he did, T Berry stated that after following Mecurial Lad in what was a fast run event, he
was mindful that Chaussure was resuming from a long spell and that it may be found wanting in
respect to its fitness at the end of the event. He added that when he became aware that Gitan was
improving to his outside near the 600m, he attempted to shift his mount to the outside of Mecurial Lad,
however Chaussure, which had been laying in, did not respond to his efforts and took some time to
shift out and this resulted in Gitan being able to maintain its line as it improved quickly to his outside
and ultimately resulting in Chaussure having to be checked when disappointed for clear running
between Mecurial Lad and Gitan. After considering T Berry's explanation, the Stewards advised T
Berry that whilst mindful of the racing manners of the gelding, in the opinion of the Stewards, when
there was the opportunity to do so, he should have availed himself of the position between Gitan and
Mecurial Lad sooner to ensure that he was not disappointed for this run.

Looking at the replay the horse did have to be checked and it did make up a lot of ground but the protest on past performances was long odds IMO still TB thought it worth a toss at the stumps and it wasn't deemed frivilous.

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« 2018-Oct-29, 09:17 PM Reply #838 »
Belated publication of the Mussellbrook stewards report from 23 Oct upholding third against first race film doesn't show the head on the replay doesn't show the interference as far as I can tell.

" Race 3: Maiden Plate 1500m Oakfield Romance – raced fiercely for some distance passing the 1000m. (placed 3rd), the rider J Penza, lodged an objection against Tippler (D McLellan) being declared the winner, alleging interference approaching the home turn.
 It was subsequently determined that near the 600m, Tippler was directed outwards in an attempt to force a run to the outside of Win The Flag, resulting in Oakfield Romance being crowded onto Seburst, losing its established running when being checked and thereafter being obliged to improve in a significantly wider position rounding the home turn.
 Taking into account all the circumstances including the margins of nose and short head between the runners at the finish, it was considered that had the incident not occurred Oakfield Romance would have finished ahead of Tippler, therefore the objection was upheld, and the placings amended to 1st Lights Of Combo – 2 nd Oakfield Romance – 3 rd Tippler.
 At a subsequent inquiry D McLellan pleaded guilty to a charge of careless riding (AR137a), in that near the 600m, he directed his mount outwards when insufficiently clear of Oakfield Romance, which was crowded onto Seburst, having to be checked and lost its established running. D McLellan’s license to ride in races was suspended for a period to commence 28/10/18 and expire 3/11/18, on which day he may resume."

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« 2019-Jun-20, 07:28 PM Reply #839 »
Warnambool protest decision head on view shows severe interference which is not so evident from the side on view it did look like the second horse had its chance but the winner kicked on strongly won by .4 something like a long neck possibly....................... stewards upheld the protest ...............stewards decisions on protests are hard to follow at times very subjective.

https://www.punters.com.au/news/favourite-backers-floored-by-protest-_181243/


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« 2019-Jun-20, 07:42 PM Reply #840 »
Of course the horse kicked on to win by 0.4 he had the chance to keep his momentum up.

Right decision.


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« 2019-Jun-20, 09:15 PM Reply #841 »
Race 7 okeefe wilson bricklaying class 1 handicap - 1200 metres:

Prior to correct weight, B. Rawiller rider of Kepi Blanc that was officially placed second by the Judge lodged an objection against Caf Tortoni (B Egan) that was officially place first by the Judge alleging interference over the final 250m.

On the evidence Stewards were satisfied approaching the 100m Caf Tortoni shifted out and made contact with Kepi Blanc resulting that horse being bumped and carried wider and again near the 50m when Kepi Blanc was making ground Caf Tortoni shifted out and made contact with Kepi Blanc and was again carried wider. As stewards were of the opinion had the interference not occurred, Kepi Blanc would have beaten Caf Tortoni the objection was upheld and correct weight declared on the amended placings - 1st (Kepi Blanc)-2nd (Caf Tortoni)-3rd (Diamond Arrow)-4th Lady Mafki (NZ). At a subsequent inquiry B Egan was reprimanded and advised that whilst Caf Tortoni was hanging out he must ensure he makes every endeavour to keep his mounts on a straight course.

Kepi Blanc Approaching the 100m was hampered and taken wider on the course by Caf Tortoni that shifted out near the 50m was bumped and carried wider by Caf Tortoni that continued to shift out.

Caf Tortoni Hung out under pressure in the straight. Trainer P. Payne was advised the gelding would be required to the satisfaction of Stewards before next being presented to race.

Diamond Arrow Commenced awkwardly. Near the 100m was checked to avoid the heels of Kepi Blanc that in turn had been carried out by Caf Tortoni.

Valencia Missile Raced wide without cover throughout.

Waratah Girl Slow to begin. Rider L. Doodt reported that her mount didnt handle todays heavy track conditions.

The Old Bird (NZ) Slow to begin.

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« 2019-Aug-25, 04:41 PM Reply #842 »
RACE 3: The Luxury Network Up and Coming Stakes 1300m:
Athiri – At the 400m was steadied when disappointed for clear running between Deference and
Famous.
Lucicello – Began only fairly.
20190824RR 3
True Detective – Stewards considered a protest lodged by J. McDonald, rider of 2nd placegetter, True
Detective, against Superium (G. Boss) being declared the winner alleging interference over
approximately the final 50m. After considering the evidence the Stewards found that inside the 100m
Superium commenced to lay out, which resulted in J. McDonald's riding of True Detective being
restricted approaching the 50m. They further found that near the 50m Superium continued to shift out
and made contact with True Detective on a number of strides, taking that runner wider, resulting in
True Detective losing ground and again impacting J. McDonald's ability to ride his mount out. As the
Stewards were satisfied that had this interference not occurred True Detective would have finished in
advance of Superium, the protest was upheld and the placings amended as follows:
1
st True Detective
2
nd Superium
3
rd Lucicello
At a subsequent inquiry Stewards advised G. Boss that whilst they acknowledge he had stopped riding
and straightened his mount inside the 50m, he would be expected to take corrective action sooner than
he had done on this occasion to prevent is mount from shifting out. G. Boss pleaded guilty to a charge
of improper conduct under AR228(b) in that whilst leaving the protest hearing he made inappropriate
comments in relation to the decision to uphold the protest. G. Boss was fined $1,000.

ENDS
Bossy shoulda kept his mouth shut ...but from the head on there was contact but whether it was sufficient to alter the result as the stewards decided is a matter of opinion .....unfortunately for Bossy the only opinion that counts is the stewards...case closed and $1000 lighter.

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« 2019-Aug-26, 07:28 PM Reply #843 »
Boss blows up after True Detective gets the verdict in protest
 
By Chris Roots
August 24, 2019 — 7.45pm

Melbourne Cup-winning jockey Glen Boss labelled the Up And Coming Stakes protest result “a joke”  and, in the aftermath of a fiery clash with chief steward Marc Van Gestel, Racing NSW were accused of censoring social media on Saturday.

Favourite True Detective was given the race by stewards after being taken off his line and bumped inside the final 50m by Superium, ridden by Boss.

Van Gestel delivering the verdict was tweeted by Sky Racing but they were instructed by Racing NSW to take it down as stewards continued to inquire into Boss’s reaction.

The exchange started with Boss saying: “So should I have kept riding my horse along?”

“No, you shouldn’t have. You did the right thing,” Van Gestel replied. "You can’t protest against yourself Glen. If your horse shifts out.”

“If I keep riding along I win by a long neck,” Boss interrupted.

“That’s the obligation, I’m not going to argue now. We will talk about it later,” Van Gestel said.

“It’s a joke,” Boss declared.

“I beg your pardon. Did you say it’s a joke?” Van Gestel said. “Ok we’ll see you later Glen. Thank you.”

Boss was charged with improper conduct for his outburst, which continued outside the stewards room, where he went further and said:  "It's a f---ing joke."

Boss told stewards in the inquiry that he "had an opinion" just like  the stewards did. He pleaded guilty and was fined $1000.

While the fall-out was happening, trainer Chris Waller was smiling and glad he chose to protest after he and jockey James McDonald had stood in the stewards room tossing debating the question.  They had watched a surging Superium come out and bump the favourite but weren’t  confident of getting a result.

“It's a game of inches and in those circumstances you want to be sure. We thought that we had a chance,” Waller said. “What made me keen was two factors: that he was taken off his line and the bump.

“You have to have a go when that happens.”

It was a toss-of-the-coin protest and the stewards came down on the side of True Detective.

In upholding the protest, Van Gestel noted  that after the bump Superium had got a long neck in front but True Detective rallied get within a head and it was enough to overturn the numbers.

The evidence was clear that Superium had taken True Detective off his line, but Boss and McDonald had differing opinions on whether  True Detective had hit the front.

Boss argued that True Detective had headed him just before the 100m before his horse was right at his top, but McDonald said True Detective had only got to alongside by the 100m.

“My horse was headed and was not yet at his top and he surged,” Boss said. “He ran out, made contact at about the 30m but I corrected as I’m required to do under the rules.”

Waller told stewards True Detective had been taken off his true line before the bump and was firm in his evidence that it cost his colt the chance to win.

However, True Detective had made a long run and appeared to be at his top at 100m.

The win was not enough for Waller to target the Golden Rose with True Detective. He will keep him a level below the group 1.

“He’s probably not going towards the Golden Rose," Waller said. "I think he can measure up against the better horses at some stage as a three-year-old. He’s still very green.

 He’ll eventually end up racing with blinkers on. He’s not quite ready for them yet. He does a few things wrong, gets a bit keen. He’ll furnish into a decent horse.”

Boss believes Superium will only get better and a win can’t be far away.

“I think he’s got good stamina, this horse,” Boss said.

“It actually got a half-neck in front of me, but I could feel him starting to surge and he was surging all the way to the line and even through it.

“Going around, he shies at everything. He nearly got rid of me going to the barriers.

“I can’t wait to ride him over a bit further.

“In the enclosure, he just looked a different horse, paraded like a different horse and went to the barriers like a different horse.

“He still does a bit wrong, but he’s got a lot of upside fitness levels and mentally, and I can’t wait to see him over a mile.”

ENDS
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« 2019-Nov-05, 02:23 PM Reply #844 »
4th against 2nd in the Cup. Detorri on the 2nd horse. He has bad form when it comes to careless riding in thos race.

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« 2019-Nov-05, 02:44 PM Reply #845 »
Upheld.....good job.

Detorri rides like a cowboy!

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« 2019-Nov-05, 03:26 PM Reply #846 »
Some years ago I took up the onerous role of "running" the Melbourne Cup sweep at "work".

Five seconds after the horses hit the line I was asked for the envelopes containing the winnings.

"No" I insisted "correct weight needs to be signified".

"When was the last successful protest in the Cup?" I was asked.

"Dunno, but It will happen sometime" I replied.

Wonder whether anyone of those present that day will be lauding my prescience. :chin:

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« 2019-Nov-05, 07:18 PM Reply #847 »
Be interested to see the stewards report I'm pleased it went my way this time .

Race 7 LEXUS MELBOURNE CUP - 3200 metres:

Acting under the rules and prior to correct weight, Stewards lodged an objection on behalf of the connections of Il Paradiso (USA), 4th placegetter, against Master Of Reality (IRE), 2nd placegetter, on the grounds of alleged interference over the concluding stages. It was established that near the 50 metres Master of Reality (IRE) commenced to shift in taking Il Paradiso (USA) in off its course then continuing to tighten Il Paradiso in onto the hindquarters of Vow And Declare. Stewards were of the view that had the interference not occurred Il Paradiso (USA) would have finished ahead of Master Of Reality (IRE) at the finish and therefore upheld the objection and amended the placings as follows; Vow And Declare (1st), Prince Of Arran (GB) (2nd), Il Paradiso (USA) (3rd) and Master Of Reality (IRE) (4th).

At a further enquiry Frankie Dettori (Master Of Reality IRE) pleaded guilty to a charge of careless riding under the provision of AR131(a). The careless riding being that passing the 50 metres he permitted his mount to shift in when insufficiently clear of Il Paradiso (USA) resulting in Il Paradiso (USA) being taken in off its course and tightened onto the hindquarters of Vow And Declare. F Dettori had his licence to ride in races suspended for a total of nine meetings to commence midnight 5 November, 2019 and to expire midnight 13 November, 2019. (2 metro, 7 provincial). In assessing penalty the Stewards were of the view that the incident qualified for the low range category of carelessness and took into account his guilty plea and record and that it was a Group 1 race.

Constantinople (IRE) Slow to begin.

Latrobe Slow to begin.

Il Paradiso (USA) Slow to begin. Taken in off its course near the 50 metres and tightened onto the hindquarters of Vow And Declare.

Neufbosc Jumped away awkwardly, shifted out and inconvenienced Magic Wand. Over raced in the early and middle stages. Passing the winning post on the first occasion got its head up when being restrained off heels.

Magic Wand - Inconvenienced at the start. Held up for clear running form the 500 metres to the 400 metres.

Master Of Reality (IRE) Jumped away awkwardly.

Sound (GER) Over raced in the early and middle stages. Near the 1800 metres clipped the heels of Cross Counter (GB).

Hunting Horn Raced three wide without cover.

Mer De Glace (JPN) Passing the winning post on the first occasion, when over racing, checked off the heels of Mirage Dancer (GB). Continued to over race in the early and middle stages. Near the 550 metres, when held up for clear running and knuckled.

Steel Prince - Over raced in the early and middle stages. Rider Brett Prebble pleaded guilty to breaching the provisions of AR132(7)(a)(ii) in that he used his whip on ten occasions prior to the 100 metres. B Prebble had his licence to ride in races suspended for a total of six meetings to commence midnight 7 November, 2019 and to expire midnight 12 November, 2019 (1 metro, 5 provincial). In assessing penalty Stewards took into account his guilty plea, that it was a Group 1 race, his record in this area and the totality of his whip use.

Cross Counter (GB) Raced keenly in the middle stages. A post-race veterinary examination revealed the gelding had sustained a wound to the right hind cannon and hock. A veterinary clearance is required prior to being permitted to race again.

Youngstar Steadied passing the 300 metres when tightened for room between Il Paradiso (USA) and Twilight Payment, which was taken in by Raymond Tusk (IRE), which shifted in whilst being ridden along.

Raymond Tusk (IRE) A post-race veterinary examination revealed the horse to have sustained a wound to the left fetlock. A veterinary clearance is required prior to being permitted to race again. Rider Jamie Spencer was severely reprimanded for breaching the provisions of AR132(7)(a)(i) in that he used his whip in consecutive strides prior to the 100 metres.

Rostropovich (IRE) Eased down in the straight. A post-race veterinary examination revealed the gelding to be lame. Rostropovich was treated on course and transferred to Werribee Equine Hospital for further assessment. A veterinary clearance is required prior to being permitted to race again.

Prince Of Arran (GB) Michael Walker pleaded guilty to breaching the provisions of AR132(7)(a)(ii) in that he used his whip on twelve occasions prior to the 100 metres. M Walker had his licence to ride in races suspended for a total of seven meetings to commence midnight 7 November, 2019 and to expire midnight 13 November, 2019 (1 metro, 6 provincial). Further, M Walker was fined $10,000. In assessing penalty Stewards took into account his guilty plea, that he was the second placegetter in a Group 1 race, his record in this area, that it was a significant breach of the whip rule and the totality of his whip use.


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« 2019-Nov-05, 07:57 PM Reply #848 »
Interesting it was a stewards protest.....been a while since I've seen one....almost guaranteed it will be upheld.

Seems that Il Paradiso's rider wasn't that interested,.....don't know what's going on there!

Il Paradiso was putting in some huge final strides.

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« 2019-Nov-05, 08:18 PM Reply #849 »
You would think that if he thought there was no way he could win a protest
 it must be impossible to have a result overturnedt in Ireland.


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