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Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2018-Jun-04, 04:37 PM Reply #1750 »
Nice list there Auth,  however I'd prefer the excising of those with predominatly Kiwi form.


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« 2018-Jun-04, 05:12 PM Reply #1751 »
A great list, Authorised, and showing how much more relatively successful mares have become over the last half-century or so.

Here's some more with pretty good records

Alice Hawthorn (1849)
Zoe (1850)
Barbelle (1865)
Petrea (1876)
Quiver (1891)
Pendant (1898)
Marvel Loch (1900)
Wilari (1908)
Traquette (1911)
Molly’s Robe (1915)
Waltzing Lily (1929)
Indian Summer (1958)
Ripa (1960)
Citius (1962)
Begonia Belle (1964)
Leica Show (1971)

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« 2018-Jun-04, 05:51 PM Reply #1752 »
1980....Abit Leica

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Abit Leica (NZ) 1980

Aust.Id.: 233985   chestnut gelding

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« 2018-Jun-04, 06:03 PM Reply #1753 »
Thanks pp7.   emthup

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« 2018-Jun-04, 06:04 PM Reply #1754 »
A great list, Authorised, and showing how much more relatively successful mares have become over the last half-century or so.

Here's some more with pretty good records

Alice Hawthorn (1849)
Zoe (1850)
Barbelle (1865)
Petrea (1876)
Quiver (1891)
Pendant (1898)
Marvel Loch (1900)
Wilari (1908)
Traquette (1911)
Molly’s Robe (1915)
Waltzing Lily (1929)
Indian Summer (1958)
Ripa (1960)
Citius (1962)
Begonia Belle (1964)
Leica Show (1971)

Thanks pwa54, The more the merrier    emthup

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« 2018-Jun-04, 06:11 PM Reply #1755 »
pwa54  The mare Alice Hawthorne can not be found in the Studbook ?



Select from the following matching horses
HorseSexSireDamAust id
Alice Hawthorn (AUS) 1839mOperator (GB)Lorina (GB)588029
Alice Hawthorn (GB) 1838mMuley Moloch (GB)Rebecca (GB)543081

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« 2018-Jun-04, 06:30 PM Reply #1756 »
She had a chequered background, Authorised, and her origins are pretty obscure. "Best Victorian horse of the 1850s" meant she was best of a very ordinary lot!

Alice Hawthorne (Delapre - Dam, Polly McQueen, a half-bred Arab) (1849)

There are all sorts of stories about her origins and pre-racing days. One commonly accepted contemporary version is that a shepherd bought her dam, Polly McQueen, in foal with Alice Hawthorne, on to Andrew Chirnside’s property and when the shepherd died Chirnside took over the horses. Alice Hawthorne was broken in for stock-riding as a 3yo and was a pretty ordinary specimen. At the age of 5 she strayed and “went bush” for 15 months, found on a near-by property in poor condition where she had had a foal by a cart-horse. Her racing skills weren’t recognised until she was put up against a good mare of Chirnside’s, Miss Campbell (later Lady Charlotte). In true story-telling tradition, to her owner’s surprise, she whipped the other mare and was then set for her debut.

She was a Port Phillip champion, not up to the class of Sydneysider, Veno, in their celebrated Intercolonial Match of 1857, but in 1857 and 1858 she was the best Victorian horse. Jack Pollard in his Australian Horse Racing said that she was “the best Victorian horse of the 1850s”

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« 2018-Jun-04, 07:20 PM Reply #1757 »
Tontonan

I also have The Hawk on my to do list but it requires a trip to the NSW State Library. 

Everyone

We are getting to the stage where we have so many records I am wondering if we need to think about breaking the topic up.  I have well in excess of 100 US horses worthy of making the list (not yet complete) and have started looking at Europeans and Asians. I have a substantial list of international cities / libraries I would like to visit to run down some loose ends even without starting on the new ones.  I have heard there is a gentleman by the name of Cox ( I think) in the UK who has possibly the world's largest collection of racehorse books and memorabilia  (I assume he lives in a castle) and he might be my new best friend one day if I am lucky. 

Cheers

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« 2018-Jun-04, 08:06 PM Reply #1758 »
I agree tim if only for the reason that I have had to rebuild the Index several times because of its size.  It only takes a false keystroke to corrupt it and I have had to perform all sorts of magic to get it back.  (Although keeping a back up = peace of mind)

If you are intending to continue with the Internationals (and I hope so) it maybe best to separate them from the Australasians into their own thread.

Would you prefer the Index to an International Index to be combined or divided by country or continent.   If combined I would recommend adding a breeding origin designation.  If divided by country or continent the Index would be on the one page.


My personal preference is to separate the Australasians from the Internationals, and to have separate Indexes (on the same page) for Europe, America and The Rest of the World. 

This could be done by launching a new thread, eg. Race Records of International Champion Racehorses and establishing an index in the opening post. I can easily move the International records to the new thread  OR the links from the International Index could simply point to the existing location of the records.   I would recommend moving the records to the new thread as it would make navigation easier.

All thoughts appreciated....

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« 2018-Jun-04, 10:27 PM Reply #1759 »
Agree that separating Internationals from locals would be sensible, particularly with Tim W's contributions to come.

Tim W, a very impressive research effort already; good luck with tracking down your potential English source.

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« 2018-Jun-04, 10:32 PM Reply #1760 »

Why would anyone do this?

I suspect that anyone posting on this thread was born in Victoria and still lives in such splendid isolation.

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« 2018-Jun-04, 11:03 PM Reply #1761 »
Something like this....
 
A B C D E G H
Affirmed (USA)
Alysheba (USA)
Armed (USA)
Arrogate (USA)

 

BuenaVista (JAP) Cigar (USA)
Citation (USA)
Donovan (GB)
DubaiMillenniu(GB)
Enable (GB)

 

F

Fisherman (GB)
Frankel (GB)

GallantFox (USA)
Gladiateur (Fr)
GunRunner(USA)
HighlandReel (Ire)
Hindoo (USA)
 
I

Isinglass (GB)

J

 

K M O R S V Z
Kelso (USA)
Kincsem (Hun)
 
L

 

Man O'War (USA)
Mill Reef (USA)

 

N

Nashua (USA)
Nijinsky (Can)


 
P

 

Q
Ribot (Ity)
Round Table (USA)

 


 

Seabisicuit (USA)
Secretariat (USA)
Stymie (USA)
Sun Beau (USA)
 
T


 


 
W

War Admiral (USA)

Y

 

Zenyatta (USA)
Zev (USA)






 

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I'll keep this International Index here until we establish a new thread.
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« 2018-Jun-05, 07:59 AM Reply #1762 »
Ecxellent suggestion, Tonto.

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« 2018-Jun-05, 11:44 AM Reply #1763 »
Authorized, I noticed at Thoroughbred Village that Storm Queen and Empire Rose were added.

Lowland is another mare from Storm Queen's decade that belongs on the list.

On a side note, how impressive was it that South Australia produced Storm Queen and Lowland along with Tobin Bronze, Galilee and Rain Lover in the space of 3 years?


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« 2018-Jun-05, 12:42 PM Reply #1764 »
   emthup  

Glad for as many names as possible, I was topping out the 100 with far too many modern mares.


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« 2018-Jun-05, 01:34 PM Reply #1765 »
This Index was put together some time ago.  The records of each race mare is already detailed on this thread.  Mares not on Authorized's list are Happyanunoit, Ladybird, Marvel Loch, Ortensia, Tea Rose and Zoe.   Ladybird and Zoe are off the ark and may not be of interest but they both won and defended the Australian Champions Sweepstakes in the 1860's. 

 

QUEENS OF THE TURF

A B C D E F G H
AliceHawthorne
Analie
Auraria
 

 

BLACK.CAVIAR
Bounding.Away
Briseis


 
Chicquita
Cuddle
Cynisca
Desert.Gold
Dual Choice
 
Emancipation
Ethereal
 
FLIGHT
Florence
Furious
 
Gladsome
 
Happyanunoit
Horlicks

 
I
J

 

K M N P R S T U,V
L

La Carabine
Ladybird
Lady Wallace
LEILANI
LET'S ELOPE
LIGHT FINGERS
Lurline
 

 

MAKYBE.DIVA
Mannerism
Marvel Loch
Maybe Mahal
Miss.Andretti
More.Joyous
 

 

O

Ortensia

 

Passive
 
Q

 

Rainbird
Research
RoseOfKingston
 
SlightChance
Storm Queen
SUNLINE
SURROUND

 

 

Tea Rose
TRANQUILSTAR
Triscay
Tristarc
True Course
Typhoon Tracy
W

WAKEFUL
Waltzing Lily
WENONAGIRL
WINX

Y
Z

Zoe


Another couple of 19th century mares that may be of interest are  Crossfire, who won the Doncaster as a juvenile and the inaugural AJC Oaks before becoming a famous broodmare and Barbelle, full sister to The Barb who won the Doncaster, Sydney Cup and 3 editions of the VRC Flying Stakes (WFA 7F). 

From a historical point of view Acracia is a significant mare as she was the first mare to win the Melbourne Cup - the rest of her record was more moderate but whether she is more or less worthy of inclusion than an 'old timer' like Barbelle or Zoe is a judgement call.

One more to consider (but may need some more research) is the wartime mare Claudette.  She was not only good enough to win a Williamstown Cup, Herbert Power and Easter Cup, she also won the Grand National Hurdle when it was a keenly contested race.

If you are going to include leapers then you must include Pedro's Pride.  She was hopeless on the flat but a champion over fences in the 1950's.  See her record from the link under the Index to this thread.
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« 2018-Jun-05, 10:36 PM Reply #1766 »
Tontonan

Like your idea for the international horses.

Mr Mair

As a Victorian I can think of a heap of places I would rather not be and your place, wherever it is, could well be near the top of the list.  As for this Melbourne v Sydney rivalry thingo, if that is what it is, I have been to Sydney enough to know I quite like some parts of it.

Cheers     

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« 2018-Jun-06, 01:19 AM Reply #1767 »

OK.  I have established a thread called Race Records of International Champions and copied the posts containing International race records to the new thread.  I have left the originals in place though on this thread for the time being. 

If everyone is OK with it I will want to remove the originals from this thread and take the Internationals off this threads Index and rename this thread Race Records of Australasian Champions.

Both threads are 'sticky' and will remain at the head of the Racing Talk board  UNLESS people think the International records will be better placed on the International Board.

All comment welcome.


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« 2018-Jun-06, 07:18 AM Reply #1768 »
Very OK with it.

I must have a talk with you sometime on how to, or whether to, open up some of my voluminoue but incomplete (and likely to remain so) records of the 1940's to this thread or a parallel tread,

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« 2018-Jun-07, 03:33 PM Reply #1769 »
What sort of records are we talking about Brian ?  Are they career records ?

I am beginning to wonder if we need a dedicated history board.  If we did we could lock and sticky records threads as a kind of archive without getting in the way of the general business of the forum.

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« 2018-Jun-07, 06:24 PM Reply #1770 »
From about 2000to 2012 I built up an enormous amount of detail about racing in the 1940's. It was an interesting time: the death of proprietary racing, the closure of many tracks, the effect of the ome toue Mountainslwar years, the effect of the drought, the growth of the tote, the introduction of barrier stalls and the photo finish.  I looked at all of these trends but the bulk of the work was a detailed seasonal analyses of performance across a range of categories such as for each season the best two year olds, the best three year olds, the best sprinters, the best milers, etc, etc.  I did a lot of work, I lost a lot of it in a computer disaster and I came to a halt some years ago. However there is a lot of good, interesting stuff there and it would be a pity to let it go to waste.

At present I'm on the way back home to the Blue Mountains from Victoria where i have been at one of my grandson's 30th birthday celebration.  After I get back to Leura at the weekend I will have a closer look at what i have left and get some advice from you on what I might do with this stuff.




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« 2018-Jun-08, 02:34 PM Reply #1771 »
          
Foaled Horse Sts Wins 2nd 3rd Prize Gr.1 PrW Trainer Induct
1856 ARCHER 17 12 0 3  ??   6 Etienne de Mestre 2017
1863 THE BARB  23 16 2 1 £6,918#   11 John Tait 2004
1873 BRISEIS  17 6 2 2 £3,219   5 James Wilson 2015
1877 GRAND FLANEUR  9 9 0 0 £7,839   8 Tom.Brown 2007
1879 MALUA  47 12 10 3 £7264   8 Ike Foulsham 2003
1884 ABERCORN 35 20½ 8 4 £12,320   17 Tom Payten 2018
1885 CARBINE (NZ) 43 33 5 5 £29,626#   30 W.Hickenbotham 2001
1892 MERMAN  49 15 4 3 £3,360   6 Frank Webb (UK) 2016
1896 WAKEFUL 44 25 12 7 £16,690   25 Hugh.Munro 2002
1903 POSEIDON  33 19 4 3 £19,946   16 Ike Ernshaw 2004
1915 GLOAMING 67 57 9 0 £43,100#   35 Dick Mason 2004
1916 EURYTHMIC 47 31 6 4 £36,866#   28 Jack Holt 2005
1921 HEROIC  51 21 11 4 £38,062   19 C Godby / J Holt 2003
1922 AMOUNIS  79 33 11 8 £48,298#   27 Frank McGrath 2006
1926 PHAR LAP (NZ) 51 37 3 2 £66,738#   34 HarryTelford 2001
1928 CHATHAM 45 23 7 7 £18,095   19 Fred Williams 2005
1929 PETER PAN  39 23 6 1 £34,938   21 Frank McGrath 2003
1934 AJAX  46 36 7 2 £40,275   29 F Musgrave 2004
1936 HIGH CASTE(NZ) 72 32½½½ 19 7 £35,547   28 J.T.Jamieson 2012
1937 TRANQUIL STAR  111 23 20 12 £29,690   19 R Cameron 2008
1939 BERNBOROUGH 37 26 2 1 £25,504   14 Harry Plant 2001
1940 FLIGHT 65 24 9 9 £31,429   17 F Nowland 2007
1941 SHANNON  24 14 7 0 $37,960   16 Peter.Riddle 2006
1945 COMIC COURT 54 28 11 4 £48,576   22 Jim Cummings 2009
1946 DELTA 41 22 6 2 £48,169   20 Maurice McCarten 2012
1946 STAR KINGDOM(IRE) 16 9 2 1 £12,352     inducted as a sire 2013
1948 DALRAY(NZ) 27 14 2 3 £39,678   11 C.C.McCarthy 2015
1949 RISING FAST(NZ) 68 24 17 2 £66,735   18 I.Tucker/F.Hoysted 2002
1950 REDCRAZE (NZ) 84 32 11 9 $142,962   20 Syd Brown/TJ Smith 2012
1954 TODMAN 12 10 1 0 £20,800   7 Maurice McCarten 2005
1954 TULLOCH (NZ) 53 36 12 4 £110,123#*   31 TJ Smith 2001
1956 AQUANITA (ntb) 70 28 10 9 $121,872   17 R.J.Shaw 2018
1957 SKY HIGH  55 29 10 9 £77,055   26 Jack Green 2010
1957 WENONA GIRL  68 27 19 7 £70,825   22 Maurice McCarten 2008
1961 LIGHT FINGERS (NZ) 33 15 8 5 $109,370   8 Bart Cummings 2017
1962 GALILEE (NZ) 23 18 6 4 $169,970   12 Bart Cummings 2005
1962 TOBIN BRONZE 44* 24 7 4 $152,731   17 Graeme Heagney 2003
1963 CRISP 41 20 7 3 $38,560[a]     DesJudd/FredWinter 2013
1964 RAIN LOVER  46 17 10 8 $188,500   14 Mick Robins 2014
1966 VAIN  14 12 2 0 $145,485   12 Jim Moloney 2003
1966 GUNSYND 54 29 7 8 $280,455#*   21 TJ Smith 2005
1970 LEILANI (NZ) 29 14 7 6 $271,170   11 Bart Cummings 2016
1973 SURROUND(NZ) 28 16½ 2 2 $346,300   11 Geoff Murphy 2014
1974 LUSKIN STAR 17 13 3 0 $280,900   13 Max Lees/JB Cummings 2016
1975 MANIKATO  47 29 8 5 $1,154,210   25 Bob Hoysted 2002
1975 DULCIFY (NZ) 21 10 3 2 $568,775   8 Colin Hayes 2014
1976 KINGSTON TOWN 41 30 5 2 $1,605,790# 14 26 TJ Smith 2001
1979 STRAWBERRY ROAD 45 17 7 7 $1,798,000# 6 12 Doug Bougoure 2009
1984 SUPER IMPOSE(NZ) 74 20 24 8 $5,659,290 8 16 Lee Freedman 2007
1985 SYDESTON 65 19 7 10 $3,105,545 4 8 Bob Hoysted 2016
1985 BETTER LOOSEN UP  45 17 9 3 $4,773,970 8 12 David Hayes 2004
1987 LET'S ELOPE(NZ) 26 11 0 5 $3,099,634 4 9 Bart Cummings 2012
1986 DANEHILL(USA) 9 4 1 2 $321,065 1 3 inducted as a sire 2015
1992 OCTAGONAL 28 14 7 1 $5,892,231# 10 12 John Hawkes 2012
1992 SAINTLY 23 10 8 3 $3,852,765 4 7 Bart Cummings 2017
1993 MIGHT AND POWER(NZ) 31 15 7 1 $5,225,486 7 11 Jack Denham 2002
1995 KARASI (Ire) 97 16 9 11 $3,747,283 _ _ Eric Musgrove 2018
1996 SUNLINE (NZ) 48 32 9 3 $11,351,607# 13 28 Trevor McKee 2002
1996 NORTHERLY  37 19 7 3 $9,341,850 8 18 Fred Kersley 2003
1998 LONHRO  35 26 3 2 $5,790,510 11 25 John Hawkes 2014
1999 MAKYBE DIVA(GB) 36 15 4 3 $14,526,685# 7 11 D Hall/L Freedman 2006
1999 TAKEOVER TARGET 41 21 6 4 $6,028,311 8 16 Joe Janiak 2012
1999 CHOISIR 23 7 5 6 $2,258,545 2 6 Paul Perry 2015
2006 BLACK CAVIAR 25 25 0 0 $7,953,936 15 25 Peter Moody 2013
2011 WINX 35 29 3 0 $18,968,424 18 27 Chris Waller 2017
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« 2018-Jun-08, 02:39 PM Reply #1772 »
This driving me insane.  I finally get the table right, it posts perfectly  and everything that follows it is in HUGE font.   I would have thought any changes I made would only effect the content of the message box but apparently not.     :chin:

How weird is this ?  When I change the font size of the Hall of Fame heading it changes the font size of everything else on the page that follows it except the content of the table !   :shrug:
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« 2018-Jun-08, 02:44 PM Reply #1773 »
Sorry I am playing around with it I hope you do not mind ?

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« 2018-Jun-08, 02:51 PM Reply #1774 »
Did you change the content of the table back to 10px ?    I just changed it back to 16px.

I think what happened is that I removed all the font tags from the html  and for some reason the rest of the page took its sizing from the last specified font size (which I used for the heading).  Everything goes back to normal when I removed that specified font size.

I don't mind if you edit the table but I am just trying to work out what is causing what....


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