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Offline tontonan

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« 2013-Dec-23, 11:24 PM Reply #300 »
I have been sulking ever since Delta was elevated into the Hall of Fame because they overlooked my colonials again but there is no denying he deserves to be there. 

One thing struck me about his record - his win in the 18 furlong WFA Carbine Stakes on 22 March 1952.  I don't know this race at all.  Can anyone enlighten me ?

It seems to be run a fortnight after the first day of the Autumn meeting.  Was it a one off ?  Or was there a series of Carbine Stakes ? 

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« 2013-Dec-26, 07:32 AM Reply #301 »
tontonan

A quick check tells me the Carbine Stakes wasn't there in the 1949/50 season.  It was also run in the 54/55 season with the Australian Cup on the same day at 17.5f. (16 starters against 2 for the wfa race).  The stayers race on the 4th day in 1950 was the Flemington Hcp over 14f. 

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« 2013-Dec-26, 07:39 AM Reply #302 »
True Course (AUS) 1947                                 
27 starts, 12 wins (6 x Group 1), 5 seconds and 4 thirds.  Win % 44.4, Place % 77.8.                                  
                                 
Won 24,064.50 by the end of her 3YO year which was a record for a 3YO filly.                                 
Fourth behind Flight, Tranquil Star and Chicquita in the list of Australasian stake winning mares at that time.                                 
While she did not win an open age Group 1 race, she won in open company and an injury ended her career.                                 
                                 
TWO YEARS:  1949-1950  Starts 7: 6-1-0-0                                 
                                 
1st-21   10/01/1949   1.5L x nk   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Maribyrnong Trial Stakes   Abt 4.5f.   Abt 900m.   8.4.   52.5kg   53.75.   9/4F   Princss Moira 8.4 6/1 2nd
2nd-17   1/11/1949   1.25L x 0.75L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Mimosa Stakes   5f.   1005m.   8.9.   55kg   1.03.0.   6/1.   Ajanni 8.9 7/4F 1st
                                 
1st-15   11/02/1950   1.5L x 0.75L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Criterion Hcp   5f.   1005m.   8.12.   56kg   1.00.5.   3/1F.   Harmonia 8.1 7/1 2nd
1st-18   25/02/1950   1.5L x nk   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Teppo Stakes   5f.   1005m.   8.12.   56kg   1.01.0.   1/1F.   Buttons and Bows cd 7.7 20/1 2nd
1st-9   11/03/1950   0.75L x 0.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Sires' Produce Stakes (G1)   7f.   1408m.   8.7.   54kg   1.24.5.   5/2.   Flying Halo 8.10 9/4F 2nd
1st-14   8/04/1950   2.5L x nk   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Sires' Produce Stakes (G1)   7f.   1408m.   8.8.   54.5kg   1.27.75.   5/2.   Even Flow 8.8 6/1 2nd
1st-8   12/04/1950   1.25L x ns   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Champagne Stakes (G1)   6f.   1207m.   9.4.   59kg   1.12.75.   13/8F.   Ragazza 8.8 7/1 2nd
                                 
                                 
THREE YEARS:  1950-1951  Starts 14: 4-4-4-2                                 
                                 
3rd-18   26/08/1950.   3L x hd   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Ailsa Hcp   6f. less 20y.   1189m.   9.7.   60kg   1.14.5.   Soft, 4/5F.   Weka 8.5 7/2 1st
2nd-6   2/09/1950.   3L x hd   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Memsie Stakes   9f.   1810m.   7.4.   46.5kg   1.54.5.   Heavy, 4/1.   Comic Court 9.4 4/6F 1st
3rd-18   30/09/1950.   3L x 0.5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Derby   12f.   2414m.   8.5.   53kg   2.32.25.   3/1F.   Alister 8.10 7/1 1st
1st-17   21/10/1950.   Nk x 4L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC One Thousand Guineas (G1)   8f.   1609m.   8.5.   53kg   1.40.0.   2/1F.   Niaranga 8.5 9/1 2nd
1st-13   4/11/1950.   0.5L x nk   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC The Wakeful Stakes   8f.   1609m.   9.4.   59kg   1.38.5.   6/4F.   Weka 8.11 7/1 2nd
1st-8   9/11/1950.   4L x 2.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Oaks Stakes (G1)   12f.   2414m.   8.10.   55.5kg   2.31.5.   4/9F.   Weka 8.10 10/1 2nd
3rd-9   25/11/1950.   3L x hd   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Eclipse Stakes   12f.   2414m.   cd 7.12.   50kg   2.29.0.   7/2.   Morse Code 8.2 6/4F 1st
                                 
2nd-11   24/02/1951.   1L x nk   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC 54th Caulfield Futurity Stakes   7f.   1408m.   9.3.   58.5kg   1.24.75.   12/1.   Iron Duke 9.13 5/1 1st
2nd-7   10/03/1951.   Hd x 3L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC C M Lloyd Stakes   8f.   1609m.   8.3.   52kg   1.38.75.   10/9F.   San Domenico 8.12 13/2 1st
2nd-10   17/03/1951.   4L x 2.5L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Alister Clark Stakes   10f.   2011m.   8.1.   51.5kg   2.03.0.   9/4.   Chicquita 8.11 5/4F 1st
9th-12*   24/03/1951.   0.75L x 1L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Princess Hcp   7f.   1408m.   9.7.   60kg   1.25.5.   Good, 9/10F.   Even Flow 8.5 15/1 Disq 1st
1st-6   31/03/1951.   1.5L x 3L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Adrian Knox Stakes (now AJC Oaks) (G1)   10f.   2011m.   8.7.   54kg   2.07.0.   Good, 2/5F.   Titian 8.7 10/1 2nd
3rd-11   5/05/1951.   Hd x 0.75L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Aberfeldie Hcp   10f.   2011m.   8.7.   54kg   2.06.5.   7/4EF.   Grand Monarch cd 7.6 25/1 1st
12th-17   9/05/1951.   0.5L x nk   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC The King's Cup   12f.   2414m.   8.8.   54.5kg   2.37.0.   Heavy, 3/1F.   Durham 7.7 10/1 1st
* Adjusted placings after disqualification of winner.                                 
                                 
FOUR YEARS:  1951-1952  Starts 6: 2-0-0-4                                 
                                 
7th-17   18/08/1951.   Nk x 0.5L   run at Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MRC J J Liston Stakes   abt 7f.   abt 1400m.   8.9.   55kg   1.29.0.   Dead, 5/1.   Chicquita 8.12 11/2 1st
1st-16   1/09/1951.   Sht hd x 4L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Heatherlie Hcp   9f.   1810m.   8.13.   56.5kg   1.52.5.   Holding 7/4F.   Welkin Sun 8.2 7/1 2nd
8th-12   15/09/1951.   2.5L x 3L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Craiglee Stakes   10f.   2011m.   8.9.   55kg   2.07.25.   Good, 7/1.   Chicquita 8.13 11/8F 1st
4th-7   27/09/1951.   Sht hd x 1L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MRC Underwood Stakes   9f.   1810m.   8.9.   55kg   1.54.25.   Good, 8/1.   Laurie Hussar 9.0 7/2 1st
1st-14   17/10/1951.   1L x 1.5L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Coongy Hcp   12f.   2414m.   8.10.   55.5kg   2.32.5.   Good, 3/1F.   Potentate cd 7.6 16/1 2nd
8th-19**   27/10/1951.   2.5L x 0.5L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Moonee Valley Gold Cup   13f.   2615m.   8.6.   53.5kg   2.46.25.   Holding, 3/1F.   Erriton 7.4 12/1 1st
** Stripped from behind in Moonee Valley Cup.  Did not race again.                                 
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« 2013-Dec-26, 07:47 AM Reply #303 »
Carbine Stakes

1948   Fresh Boy
1949   Russia
1950   Carbon Copy
1951   Free Kick
1952   Delta
1953   Arbroath
1954   Aldershot
1955   Rising Fast
1956   Dunsinane
1957   not held
1958   Pushover

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« 2013-Dec-26, 11:55 AM Reply #304 »
Thanks gents,

According to Pacini's history of the VRC the club was prompted to conduct the Carbine Stakes after Miss EF Wallace bequeathed the silks Carbine carried in the 1890 Melbourne Cup to the club after the war.

It was a nice idea.  If any horse should have been memorialized by a feature race it should have been Carbine.  At 18 furlongs, WFA, it almost seems like an attempted to reinvent the Champion Stakes.

It was originally a 2 mile race worth 2500 and replaced the Essendon Stakes.  It was the richest WFA race in Australia.  The stakes were raised to 3,000 and the distance to 18 furlongs in 1949.  In comparison the Australian Cup was worth 4000 and the Newmarket 3000, the Sires Produce 3000 and the St Leger 2500.  

The club also reintroduced a time limit for the race of 4 min 15 secs.  If the time wasn't breached only half the stakes would be paid.  It was the first time the time limit had been used at Flemington since 1915.  When Russia won the race he had 24 seconds to spare, the pace having been made by the hurdler Tommy Tucker.

The race was already under criticism in 1950 -

"FARCICAL RACES CRITICISED MELBOURNE, March 19: The farcical 3,000' Carbine Stakes at Flemlngton yesterday-in which Carbon Copy was first and the rest nowhere should serve as an awakening jolt for the V.R.C.  in providing such a grand race for almost non existent weight-for-age stayers and for the Australian thorough bred industry, now breeding for early speed.

The Australian Cup, the turf editor of the "Sun-Pictorial" goes on to say, is a handicap race which showed that ordinary stayers are few while the Carbine Stakes proved that 3,000 is being wasted on a two and a quarter mile weight-for-age race. Carbon Copy yesterday ran away from Free Kick and Bruin. Carbon Copy is a grand stayer, but is far below the form he revealed to win the Sydney Cup and A.J.C. Derby last season. The three-year-old, Free Kick, is just out of trial company, gelded, and therefore of no use for breeding. Bruin, already a sire, is in the evening of his racing career and the other starter, Cronides, is now so far below the form which enabled him to win the A.J.C. St. Leger two years ago that he finished more than a furlong away, last. A year ago Russia's owner, aware of "easy pickings" in the Flemington distance races, brought Russia back from the stud to win the Carbine Stakes and chase home Carbon Copy in the King's Plate."


In 1953 there was a sensation when Dalray collapsed at the end of the Carbine Stakes when odds on favourite.  He had been lame after both his previous starts and beaten out of a place in the Carbine.  Jack Elliott and others were condemning the stewards for not having the horse vetted before the race,.  Dalray never raced again.

Rising Fast beat Electro by 16 lengths in 1955 in a two horse match.  It wasn't held in 1957 and the 1958 edition won by Pushover was the last.

The attempt to reintroduce the WFA marathon as a championship race in Australia proved to be a failure.  
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« 2013-Dec-27, 11:46 AM Reply #305 »
But somethings never change....


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« 2013-Dec-31, 05:21 AM Reply #306 »
Royal Gem (AUS) 1942                                 
51 starts, 23 wins (7.5 x Group 1), 8 seconds and 5 thirds.  Win % 45.1, Place % 70.6.                                  
Sire of Dark Star winner of the 1953 Kentucky Derby                                 
                                 
TWO YEARS:  1944-1945  Starts 7:  5-0-0-2                                 
                                 
LAP-15   30/12/1944.   Nk x hd   Mentone. Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MentTC Beaumaris Hcp   5f.   1005m.   8.3.   52kg   1.01.75.   12/1.   Sun Cub 8.7 2/1F 1st
                                 
1st-19   20/01/1945.   Hd  x 0.75L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Niddrie Hcp   5f.   1005m.   7.11.   49.5kg   1.02.75.   50/1.   Greensborough cd 7.9 14/1 2nd
1st-16   10/02/1945.   0.5L x 4L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Federal Stakes (2nd Division)   5f.   1005m.   8.2.   52kg   59.75.   3/1F   Tilston 7.8 7/1 2nd
5th-14   3/05/1945.    nk x nk   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Sires Produce Stakes   Abt 7f.   Abt 1400m.   8.10.   55.5kg   1.28.5.   4/1.   Nestor 8.10 15/1 1st
1st-14   10/03/1945.   2L x 1L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Ascot Vale Stakes   6f.   1207m.   cd 8.6.   53.5kg   1.15.0.   7/1.   Nestor 9.1 8/1 2nd
1st-19   7/04/1945.   Nk x 2.5L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Laluma Hcp   6f.   1207m.   9.4.   59kg   1.15.75.   2/1F   Leonard cd 7.9 8/1 2nd
1st-18   28/04/1945.   0.75L x 1.25L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Stanhope Hcp   6f.   1207m.   9.6.   60kg   1.13.75.   5/1.   Gay Lad 8.4 3/1F 2nd
                                 
THREE YEARS:  1945-1946  Starts 14:  8-2-2-2                                 
                                 
1st-23   1/09/1945.   3L x nk   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Whittier Hcp   6f.   1207m.   8.0.   51kg   1.12.5.   4/1F   Regal Coin 7.10 100/1 2nd
2nd-10   15/09/1945.   0.5L x nk   run at Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   WmtnRC Underwood Stakes   Abt 8f.   Abt 1600m.   7.12.   50kg   1.36.75.   2/1F   St Fairy 9.0 7/1 1st
2nd-7   29/09/1945.   3L x 0.5L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Moonee Valley Stakes   8f.   1609m.   8.9.   55kg   1.37.75.   4/6F   Attley 8.9 9/4 1st
DH 1st-14   13/10/1945.   DH x 1L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Caulfield Guineas (G1)   8f.   1609m.   8.5.   53kg   1.36.75 (RR)   7/1.   Attley 8.5 5/4F DH 2nd
1st-5   20/10/1945.   3.5L x 3L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Spring Stakes   6f.   1207m.   8.1.   51.5kg   1.11.5.   1/1F   David's Last 9.2 5/1 2nd
1st-14   3/11/1945.   Hd x 3L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Cantala Stakes (G1)   8f.   1609m.   8.5.   53kg   1.37.5.   Fast, 9/4F   La Patrice 8.4 8/1 2nd
1st-7   6/11/1945.   1L x 0.75L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Linlithgow Stakes   8f.   1609m.   8.0.   51kg   1.38.75.   6/4F   Attley 8.0 7/4 2nd
                                 
4th-7   9/02/1946.   0.5L x 0.75L   run at Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   WmtnRC C.F. Orr Stakes   8f.   1609m.   8.5.   53kg   1.37.25.   6/4F   Flight 8.12 9/2 1st
3rd-6   16/02/1946.   0.75L x nk   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC St George Stakes   9f.   1810m.   8.3.   52kg   1.51.0.   2/1F   
3rd-7   2/03/1946.   Hd x 1.25L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Essendon Stakes   10f.   2011m.   8.4.   52.5kg   2.03.5.   5/1.   Flight 8.13 4/6F 1st
6th-21   20/04/1946.   3L x 2L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Doncaster Hcp   8f.   1609m.   8.11.   56kg   1.40.0.   4/1F   Blue Legend 7.5 8/1 1st
1st-25   11/5/1946.   2.5L x 2.5L    Morphettville, Adelaide, SA, AUS   SAJC Goodwood Hcp (G1)   6f.   1207m.   9.3.   58.5kg   1.12.25.   6/4F   Industry 9.1 20/1 2nd
DH 1st-4    18/05/1946.   DH x 2.5L    Morphettville, Adelaide, SA, AUS   SAJC Sir Willoughby Norrie Stakes   Abt 10f.   Abt 2000m.   8.7.   54kg   2.12.75.   1/3F   Brazen Jester 8.12 7/1  DH 1st
1st-22   10/06/1946.   0.5L x hd    Victoria Park, Adelaide, SA, AUS   AdelRC City Hcp   7f.   1408m.   9.8.   61kg   1.26.75.   3/1F   Kinder Gold 8.3 10/1 2nd
                                 
FOUR YEARS:  1946-1947  Starts 8:  4-2-1-1                                 
                                 
1st-8   7/09/1946.   0.5L x 4L   Cheltenham, Adelaide, SA, AUS   PARC Royal Park Quality Stakes   8.5f.   1709m.   9.0.   57kg   1.43.75.   4/5F   Robbie 7.4 33/1 2nd
2nd-14   21/09/1946.   4L x 2.5L   run at Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   WmtnRC Underwood Stakes   8f.   1609m.   9.0.   57kg   1.38.0.   5/1.   Attley 9.0 9/2 1st
1st-23   12/10/1946.   Nk x 2.5L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Toorak Hcp (G1)   8f.   1609m.   9.3.   58.5kg   1.37.0   2/1F   Victory Lad 8.10 12/1 2nd
1st-27   19/10/1946.   Nk x 0.75L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Caulfield Cup (G1)   12f.   2414m.   9.0.   57kg   2.30.25.   33/1.   Columnist 7.13 8/1 2nd
3rd-3   5/11/1946.   Nk x 5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Linlithgow Stakes   8f.   1609m.   9.0.   57kg   1.35.5.   1/1F   Attley 9.0 7/2 1st
1st-8   21/12/1946.   2L x 3L   Cheltenham, Adelaide, SA, AUS   PARC Benson Quality Stakes   6.5f.   1317m.   9.0.   57kg   1.18.75. (SAR)   4/7F   Ducal 8.0 7/2 2nd
2nd-2   26/12/1946.   1L   Cheltenham, Adelaide, SA, AUS   PARC Cheltenham Stakes   8.5f.   1709m.   9.0.   57kg   1.51.75.   1/4F   Brazen Jester 9.0 3/1 1st
                                 
7th-20   7/06/1947.   0.5L x hd   Victoria Park, Adelaide, SA, AUS   AdelRC City Hcp   7f.   1408m.   10.2.   64.5kg   1.25.75.   7/4F   Star of India 7.5 14/1 1st
                                 
FIVE YEARS:  1947-1948   Starts 16:  5-2-2-7                                 
                                 
1st-10   23/08/1947.   1.25L x nk   Victoria Park, Adelaide, SA, AUS   ARC Corporation Hcp   6.5f.   1317m.   10.2.   64.5kg   1.21.75.   1/1F   Princess Wolta 7.9 10/1 2nd
2nd-3   6/09/1947.   0.75L x 20L   Cheltenham, Adelaide, SA, AUS   PARC Royal Park Quality Stakes   8.5f.   1709m.   9.0.   57kg   1.50.0.   1/10F   Robbie 6.12 (43.5kg) 7/1 1st
3rd-13   27/09/1947.    nk x hd   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Quality Hcp   10f.   2011m.   9.4.   59kg   2.04.0.   7/1.   Don Pedro 8.5 10/1 1st
8th-16   4/10/1947.   3L x hd   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Melbourne Stakes   8f.   1609m.   9.10.   62kg   1.45.25.   8/1.   Sea Monarch 8.8 33/1 1st
3rd-11   15/10/1947.   3L x 2L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Caulfield Stakes   9f.   1810m.   9.4.   59kg   1.49.75.   8/1.   Columnist 9.4 7/1 1st
8th-26   18/10/1947.   1.5L x hd   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Caulfield Cup   12f.   2414m.   9.8.   61kg   2.28.25.   10/1.   Columnist 9.0 9/2F 1st
4th-11   25/10/1947.    hd x 1.75L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC W S Cox Plate   10f.   2011m.   9.4.   59kg   2.05.0.   7/4F   Chanak cd 6.12 9/2 1st
2nd-8   6/11/1947.   1.5L x 2L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Linlithgow Stakes   8f.   1609m.   9.2.   58kg   1.38.0.   11/2.   Columnist 9.2 11/4 1st
                                 
1st-15   7/02/1948.   1.5L x 0.75L    Morphettville, Adelaide, SA, AUS   Tattersall's Club Flying Hcp   Abt 6f.   Abt 1200m.   10.9.   67.5kg   1.11.0.   1/1F   Princess Amy 8.2 7/1 2nd
1st-11   21/2/1948.   1.5L x 1.25L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Futurity Stakes (G1)   7f.   1408m.   10.2.   64.5kg   1.24.25.   3/1F   Star Port 8.2 16/1 2nd
1st-30   28/02/1948.   Nk x 1.25L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Newmarket Hcp (G1)   6f.   1207m.   9.9.   61kg   1.11.5.   5/1F   St Razzle 7.7 10/1 2nd
LR-18   17/04/1948.   2L x hd   Mentone. Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MentTC Powerscourt Hcp   6f.   1207m.   10.5.   66kg   1.12.75.   5/4F   Nestor 8.11 9/2 1st
10th-13   26/04/1948.   Hd x 3L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Alister Clark Stakes   10f.   2011m.   9.4.   59kg   2.07.75.   9/2F   Money Moon 8.10 16/1 1st
12th-17   8/05/1948.   0.75L x 2.25L    Morphettville, Adelaide, SA, AUS   SAJC Goodwood Hcp   6f.   1207m.   11.0.   70kg   1.12.0.   5/1.   Denhoti 8.9 3/1 1st
7th-8   15/05/1948.   2.25L x 1.25L    Morphettville, Adelaide, SA, AUS   SAJC King's Cup   12f.   2414m.   9.5.   59.5kg   2.36.5.   8/1.   Valcurl 8.8 10/1 1st
1st-12   5/06/1948.   1L x nk   Victoria Park, Adelaide, SA, AUS   AdelRC City Hcp   7f.   1408m.   10.5.   66kg   1.26.5.   5/1.   Ninnid 7.8 9/4F 2nd
                                 
SIX YEARS:  1948-1949  Starts 6:  1-2-0-3                                 
                                 
2nd-17   28/08/1948.   2L x 3L    Morphettville, Adelaide, SA, AUS   SAJC Warradale Hcp   6f.   1207m.   11.0.   70kg   1.13.0.   1/1F   Chatter Lad 7.12 5/1 1st
4th-5   11/09/1948.   1L x 2.5L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Glenroy Stakes   8f.   1609m.   9.13.   63kg   1.38.75.   7/2.   Phoibos 7.12 7/2 1st
1st-15   30/09/1948.   2L x 1.5L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MRC Underwood Stakes (G1)   8f.   1609m.   9.3.   58.5kg   1.36.75 (ECR)   2/1F   Gay Saint 7.12 20/1 2nd
11th-21   16/10/1948.   1.25L x 2L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Caulfield Cup   12f.   2414m.   9.8.   61kg   2.32.0.   16/1.   Red Fury 7.10 16/1 1st
9th-12   30/10/1948.   1L x 1.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC L K S Mackinnon Stakes   10f.   2011m.   9.4.   59kg   2.06.5.   Heavy, 9/2   Snowstream 7.11 7/1 1st
2nd-8   4/11/1948.    hd x 6L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Linlithgow Stakes   8f.   1609m.   9.2.   58kg   1.36.25.   5/1.   Phoibos 8.0 5/1 1st
                                 
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Dalray (NZ) 1948                                 
27 starts, 14 wins (6 x Group 1), 2 seconds and 3 thirds.  Win % 51.9, Place % 70.4.                                  
                                 
TWO YEARS:  1950-1951  Starts 3: 0-0-0-3                                 
                                 
Unpl-7   26/12/1950.   8L x 1L   Wingatui, Dunedin, SI, NZ   DJC Champagne Stakes   6f.   1207m.   8.10.   55.5kg   1.14.0.   Fast   Sinister 8.10 1st
Unpl-14   27/12/1951.   Hd x 2L   Wingatui, Dunedin, SI, NZ   DJC Hopeful Hcp   5f.   1005m.   cd 8.1.   51.5kg   1.02.0.   Fast   Canyon Maid cd 7.8 1st
Unpl-13   20/01/1951.   1L x nse   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC Wellington Stakes   6f.   1207m.   cd 7.13   51kg   1.11.75.   Fast   Mainbrace (3YO) 9.0 1st
                                 
THREE YEARS:  1951-1952  Starts 15: 9-1-2-3                                 
                                 
Unpl-25   11/08/1951.   1L x 3L   Riccarton, Christchurch, SI, NZ   Aylesbury Hack Hcp   Abt 7f.   Abt 1400m.   8.0.   51kg   1.29.6.   Slow   Rustler 8.12 1st
1st-12   8/09/1951.   Nk x hd   Victoria Park, Westport, SI, NZ   WestportJC W. R. Simpson Memorial Hack Hcp   10f.   2011m.   cd 7.10.   49kg   2.11.0.   Good   Boniface 8.9 2nd
1st-19   13/10/1951.   0.5L x 0.75L   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC October Hack Hcp   8f.   1609m.   cd 8.3   52.5kg   1.41.75.   Easy   Aureomycin 9.1 2nd
3rd-12   20/10/1951.   DH x hd   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC Heretaunga Hack Hcp   11f.   2212m.   8.11.   56kg   2.31.5.   Soft   Solent 8.2 DH 1st
1st-13   3/11/1951.   2.5L x 2L   Riccarton, Christchurch, SI, NZ   CJC 93rd New Zealand Derby Stakes (G1)*   Abt 12f.   Abt 2400m.   8.10.   55.5kg   2.34.6.   Good   Noble Prince 8.10 2nd
4th-6   28/12/1951.   Nk x 3.5L   Ellerslie, Auckland, NI, NZ   AuRC The King's Plate   8f.   1609m.   cd 8.4   53kg   1.35.4.   Good   Wandering Ways 8.9 1st
                                 
1st-12   1/01/1952.   0.5L x 1.5L   Ellerslie, Auckland, NI, NZ   AuRC 78th Great Northern Derby (G1)**   12f.   2414m.   8.10.   55.5kg   2.31.6.   Fast   Poetical 8.10 2nd
4th-22#   19/01/1952.   1.25L x nse   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC Wellington Cup Hcp   16f.   3219m.   cd 8.0   52kg   3.23.75.   Good   Reformed 7.9 1st
1st-7   22/01/1952.   0.75L x nse   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC Gloaming Stakes   12f.   2414m.   8.10.   55.5kg   2.32.75.   Good   Foxshar 8.10 2nd
1st-6   26/01/1952.    nk x 3L   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC Trentham Stakes   11f.   2212m.   8.2.   52kg   2.17.5.   Fast   Wandering Ways 8.11 2nd
1st-13   8/03/1952.   Nse x lg nk   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC Autumn Hcp   16f.   3219m.   8.9.   55kg   3.24.0.   Fast   Exiled King 7.4 2nd
1st-4   15/03/1952.   1L x 4L   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC New Zealand St. Leger Stakes (G1)   14f.   2816m.   8.10.   55.5kg   2.57.0.   Good   Foxshar 8.10 2nd
3rd-5   5/04/1952.   1.25L x 3L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Chipping Norton Stakes   10f. 27⅔y.   2055m.   8.6.   53.5kg   2.07.5.   Dead, 7/1   Delta 9.2 4/7F 1st
1st-5   12/04/1952.   1.75L x nk   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Autumn Stakes   12f.   2414m.   8.4.   52.5kg   2.39.0.   Heavy, 6/4EF   Aristocrat 9.0 4/1 2nd
2nd-12   14/04/1952.   Hd x 8L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Sydney Cup   16f.   3219m.   8.2.   52kg   3.37.25.   Heavy, 4/1EF   Opulent cd 7.1 16/1 1st
* From 1973 run as the New Zealand Two Thousand Guineas.                                 
** From 1973 run as the New Zealand Derby.                                 
#Finished second but relegated to fourth after a protest                                 
                                 
FOUR YEARS:  1952-1953  Starts 9: 5-1-1-2                                 
                                 
7th-9   27/09/1952.   2L x lg nk   Rosehill, Sydney, NSW, AUS   STC Hill Stakes   8.5f.   1709m.   9.0.   57kg   1.45.0.   Good, 10/1   Hydrogen 9.0 7/4EF 1st
1st-5   4/10/1952.   0.75L x 10L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Colin Stephen Stakes   12f.   2414m.   9.0.   57kg   2.41.75.   Fair, 2/1   Hydrogen 9.0 4/5F 2nd
1st-12   6/10/1952.   1L x 1.25L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC The Metropolitan (G1)   13f.   2615m.   9.1.   57.5kg   3.02.5.   Heavy, 6/4F   Jan 8.2 8/1 2nd
3rd-8   11/10/1952.   3L x hd   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC The Queen's Cup   12f. 28y.   2440m.   9.5.   59.5kg   2.33.0.   Dead, 1/1F   Salamanca 7.2 50/1 1st
1st-7   4/11/1952.    nk x 0.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC L.K.S Mackinnon Stakes (G1)   10f.   2011m.   9.0.   57kg   2.05.0.   Good, 9/10F   Peshawar 9.0 3/1 2nd
1st-30   7/11/1952.   0.5L x 1.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Melbourne Cup (G1)   16f.   3219m.   9.8.   61kg   3.23.75.   Holding, 5/1F   Welkin Sun 7.12 200/1 2nd
                                 
2nd-4   7/03/1953.   10L x 3L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Ercildoune Stakes   12f.   2414m.   9.0.   57kg   2.30.5.   Good, 9/10F   Aldershot 9.3 10/1 1st
1st-4   11/03/1953.   1.5L x 1.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC The Queen's Plate   14f.   2816m.   9.0.   57kg   2.59.25.   Good, 2/1   Aldershot 9.3 7/4F 2nd
4th-6^   14/03/1953.   1.5L x 1.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Carbine Stakes   18f.   3621m.   9.0.   57kg   3.59.25.   Good, 9/10F   Arbroath 8.0 7/2 1st
^ Broke down with 1 mile to run                                 
                                 
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tontonan

Here is a list of colonials (foaled up to 1899) that seem to have earned favourable comment by racing commentators (including yourself - the 3 of yours which no one else seems to have picked have your name appearing after the horses name).  I have only done in depth research on those named in capitals (and these are on this website).  The racing records of some of those named in lower case foaled before 1894 might be a bit dodgy, those after that come from Pring.   I haven't compared the racing records with those on your colonial gallery which I might add is a mighty fine piece of work.

I found an article on Newhaven which I have included below but for some reason I failed to record the source.

 Name ('CAPITALS' means won 5 or more Group 1 races)   
* Dead heat counted as a full win or placing            
                                                Starts*   Firsts   Seconds   Thirds         
Mormon (AUS) 1855 (late Praxiteles)   21   16   ??   ??
Archer (AUS) 1856                                   17   12   0   3
Yattendon (AUS) 1861 (tontonan)   17   11   3   0
TIM WHIFFLER (AUS) 1862                   57   23   14   7
Fishhook (AUS) 1863                   16   10   2   1
THE BARB (AUS) 1863 (late 'Tait's br c')    23   16   2   1
FIREWORKS (AUS) 1864                   23   14   3   2
FLORENCE (AUS) 1867                   18   7   3   5
DAGWORTH (AUS) 1868                    39   16   6   5
Don Juan (AUS) 1869 (tontonan)   6   6   0   0
Lurline (NZ) 1869                                  ??   ??   ??   ??
            
Templeton (NZ) 1870                  ??   ??   ??   ??
Ariel (NZ) 1872                                   ??   ??   ??   ??
Richmond (AUS) 1872 (also as Clifton)   37   13   12   1
BRISEIS (AUS) 1873                                   17   6   2   2
ROBINSON CRUSOE (AUS) 1873
(late 'Chrysolite colt')                   19   11   4   2
CHESTER (AUS) 1874                   30   19   7   1
First King (AUS) 1874                   ??   ??   ??   ??
Grand Flaneur (AUS) 1877                   9   9   0   0
Commotion (AUS) 1878                   38   13   ??   ??
MALUA (AUS) 1879 (late 'Bagot')   47   12   10   3
Navigator (AUS) 1879 (tontonan)   16   11   2   2
Welcome Jack (NZ) 1879                   ??   ??   ??   ??
            
Martini Henri (NZ) 1880 (tontonan)   10   4   ??   ??
NELSON (AUS) 1880                     68   23   18   7
Le Grand (AUS) 1881                   ??   ??   ??   ??
Trenton (NZ) 1881                                  13   8   3   1
Lochiel (NZ) 1882                                  24   8   4   4
TRIDENT (AUS) 1883                  22   15   2   2
ABERCORN (AUS) 1884                  35   21   8   4
CARBINE (NZ) 1885                                  43             33   6   3
Hilda (NZ) 1885                                 40   15   ??   ??
CYNISCA (NZ) 1886                                 56   20   6   5
MARVEL (AUS) 1886                                 54   17   7   7
Megaphone (AUS) 1887                 ??               23   ??   ??
Paris (AUS) 1887                                 46   10      
Lady Zetland (NZ) 1887                  ??   ??   ??   ??
AUTONOMY (AUS) 1889                 23   10   2   6
St Hippo (NZ) 1889                                 ??   ??   ??   ??
            
Merman (AUS) 1892                                49   15   4   3
Wallace (AUS) 1892                                22   8   7   3
COIL (AUS) 1893                                35   8   8   13
Newhaven (AUS) 1893                35   19   6   4
St Paul (NZ) 1893                                ??   ??   ??   ??
Amberite (AUS) 1894               30   10      
La Carabine (AUS) 1894               48   15   5   2
Multiform (NZ) 1894                               19   16   ??   ??
BOBADIL (AUS) 1895               23   13   6   2
Advance (NZ) 1896                               33   19   4   4
WAKEFUL (AUS) 1896               44   25   12   4
Cruciform (NZ) 1898   32               19   9   2
Menschikoff (NZ) 1898               19   15   4   0
Achilles (AUS) 1899                               46   25   9   3


Newhaven
"A nailing good horse -- the best of his day in Australia," bred by W.R. Wilson. He won a number of races as a juvenile, including the VRC Maribyrnong Plate and the VRC Ascot Vale Stakes. At age three he won the VRC Derby, the VRC Champion Stakes (24 furlongs), the AJC St. Leger, the AJC Handicap Plate, and the Melbourne Cup, among other races. He was then sent to England, where he was raced by Sir William Cooper. In his first contest there, carrying 8 st.-8 lbs. he ran second in the City and Suburban (1898) to Bay Ronald, to whom he was conceding 8 pounds, and a week later he won the March Stakes at Newmarket, followed by running second to Bay Ronald in the Epsom Cup. The next season he won the City and Suburban, beating the Australian-bred Merman, among others, and the March Stakes a second time, and then triumphed in the Epsom Cup, which he won in a canter. His last race was the Goodwood Cup, finishing the last of three, beaten by Merman and King's Messenger. He was retired to stud at Heath Farm, Newmarket with a fee of 45, but attracted little business because he was not allowed entry into the General Stud Book. The next year he was moved to Sir Daniel Cooper's Warren Tower Stud at Cheveley, Newmarket at a fee of 9, and still unable to attract sufficent business, in 1905 he was shipped back to Australia, imported by the Osborne Brothers. This stellar racehorse, a winner of over 13,000, was sold at around age 20 for 20 guineas; he died in 1917, having gotten only one major stakes winner in Australia.

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« 2013-Dec-31, 08:11 AM Reply #309 »
Tim & Tonto,

Loving your work, some great reads on here.

A couple of quick questions which you may not be able to answer.

I notice Royal Gem contested a 7f race at Victoria Park for about 3 years in a row - City Hcp.  Does anyone know anything about this race?

Royal Gem has a MV win at 6f less 20y.  I know the 6f at MV used to be run as an extension of the 5f, basically starting where the Tulla is now, but does anyone know if a) the 6f less 20y was the distance run, and b) when the current 6f start came into place.

Just as an aside, I have an interest in the changing nature of race tracks, surely it can't be hard for the bigger clubs to dig into their archives and have a history section of their websites, a timeline of major events/changes and some historical and current photos just for a start.

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« 2013-Dec-31, 11:44 AM Reply #310 »
Tim,

It feels like Christmas.  Royal Gem is one of my personal favourites and your list will be very useful to me.  Today was my personal deadline for moving on from the Colonial Gallery into the next phase of the project - the National Thoroughbred Gallery 1901-1967 - so your list is very timely.  The colonial gallery is by no means finished (it will never be finished) but there is enough of it there to move on along with part 2.  I'll attend to the loose ends in my own time - there are lots of corrections and edits to be done.

This is probably the subject of a different thread but the question that bothers me is how exclusive should a Hall of Fame be ?  I am bothered that I have left some very worthy horses out.


Manikato,

The Adelaide Racing Club first conducted the City Handicap at Victoria Park in 1879 as the feature sprint at their Birthday meeting in May. 

The City Handicap and Birthday Cup were a feature double and the City Handicap was regarded as the second biggest sprint in Adelaide after the Goodwood.  The Goodwood-City Hcp double was a coveted double in Adelaide (judging from press reports)

The ARC disappeared in 1973 when merged with the SAJC.  I believe the race continues as the 1400m listed City of Adelaide Handicap currently conducted in April.

Since Royal Gem it has been won by the likes of Galilee (1966) Fileur (1968) and more recently by Linton prior to winning this years Stradbroke.




This is a 1945 aerial photo of Moonee Valley.  You are right.  The old 6 furlong track practically started in the creek.  I don't know when the change was made but my guess would be in the Bolte era when the land was acquired for the freeway.  I suspect the 1968 inauguration of the Freeway Stakes on the new course could be a clue.


I agree.  The clubs have long histories but don't seem to have much regard for sharing it.  But then the Australian turf history club is very very small.

EDIT :  Google Earth view added for comparison.  A serious realignment of the creek.   And never mind the quality, check out the width !
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« 2014-Jan-01, 09:37 PM Reply #311 »
tontonan

1967 delivered perhaps the best foal crop ever in this part of the world with Baguette, Battle Heights, Dual Choice, Gay Icarus and Gunsynd winning 32 group 1 races between them.

As to who might be in a Hall of Fame here is a thought.  6 horses were inducted into the Australian Racing HofF in the last 2 years. Assuming you want to continue to hold a celebratory function every year how many 'champions' will there be in the future, 100, 200 or more ?

Over the last 150 years at least 50 horses that have won at group 1 level that have a strike rate of 50% or better and there would be some very good horses missing the cut if that were the criteria (and it might be too hard to track them all down anyway).  There are at least 50 notable fillies and mares who raced over the same period.  Is a champion a horse that wins significant races over more than one season. If longevity is a factor then a horse like NZedder Grey Way with 51 wins from 164 starts might count for something as opposed to say some like Red Anchor whose careers are cut short by injury.   

Why do you need some criteria - just pick the one's you love - which is what I suspect most do anyway. 

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« 2014-Jan-01, 09:45 PM Reply #312 »
Manikato

Re history - I suppose most race clubs are too busy managing the day to day to bother with history.

There are a few books around such as Robert White's Courses for Horses a history of Victorian and Riverina race clubs (130+ pages), a book on Sydney's pony racetracks which I haven't seen and for NZedders Costello and Finnegan's Tapestry of Turf which is over 500 pages.

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« 2014-Jan-01, 10:43 PM Reply #313 »
tontonan

1967 delivered perhaps the best foal crop ever in this part of the world with Baguette, Battle Heights, Dual Choice, Gay Icarus and Gunsynd winning 32 group 1 races between them.

As to who might be in a Hall of Fame here is a thought.  6 horses were inducted into the Australian Racing HofF in the last 2 years. Assuming you want to continue to hold a celebratory function every year how many 'champions' will there be in the future, 100, 200 or more ?

Over the last 150 years at least 50 horses that have won at group 1 level that have a strike rate of 50% or better and there would be some very good horses missing the cut if that were the criteria (and it might be too hard to track them all down anyway).  There are at least 50 notable fillies and mares who raced over the same period.  Is a champion a horse that wins significant races over more than one season. If longevity is a factor then a horse like NZedder Grey Way with 51 wins from 164 starts might count for something as opposed to say some like Red Anchor whose careers are cut short by injury.   

Why do you need some criteria - just pick the one's you love - which is what I suspect most do anyway. 

Cheers

 

I like this commentary.

Most countries on the planet would be happy to invite modern champions like Veandercross, Vo Rogue, Rough Habit, Shaftesbury Avenue, Tie The Knot and Intergaze.

 

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« 2014-Jan-02, 02:57 AM Reply #314 »
With that lot I loved all of them.  My era.  Went from W.A to Victoria with mum and dad when I was about 10 for a holiday.
Went to a provincial meeting (cannot recall which track) and I got to pat Gay Icarus.  Thought I'd died and gone to heaven. 
Battle Heights was probably my favourite though. 

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« 2014-Jan-02, 07:16 AM Reply #315 »


Just as an aside, I have an interest in the changing nature of race tracks, surely it can't be hard for the bigger clubs to dig into their archives and have a history section of their websites, a timeline of major events/changes and some historical and current photos just for a start.





There was a fellow by the name of John Ryan who did a bit with the AJC from a historical point of view

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« 2014-Jan-02, 08:42 AM Reply #316 »
Wily and Manikato may have been around long enough to remember a bloke from the old forum on MSN Groups who used to run group on Deceased Racehorses which had a section on 'Deceased Racetracks' where he documented all of the old tracks that no longer exist like Moorefield and Aspendale. Sadly, it disappeared when MSN Groups bit the dust (as did my first turf history site).

For my own part I have a section of my site called 'Fields of Dreams' that I haven't published yet that gathers historical material on the tracks that survive.  I only have material on Flemington and Randwick at this stage as I am working chronologically and I've just started to gather material for Caulfield and Rosehill.  When things come up like Manikato's post on the 1200m course at MV or DD's post regarding the straight course at Doomben I file it away. I'll get to them as my project moves forward.

(Rosehill is particularly interesting as it is in the neighbourhood of two of the oldest structures in Australia - Elizabeth Farm and the Experimental Cottage are within a couple of furlongs of the gates of the course on James Ruse Drive.  Ruse was the recipient of the first land grant in Australia and established it's first viable farm while the Macarthur's certainly grazed sheep on the land Rosehill now occupies).

In Melbourne, by the turn of the century, the city was surrounded by racetracks.

There were no less than nine within a 7 mile radius of the GPO - and that doesn't include the 'down the line' sandbelt course of Mentone, Epsom and Aspendale.  Most of these were proprietary courses, privately owned and run by limited companies, several of which turned to pony racing as there simply weren't enough thoroughbreds.  It is also the era of John Wren and his tote.  Wren owned several of the Melbourne courses.  And it is also an era of big sports betting - boxing matches, professional running like the Stawell Gift and especially cycling.  The Austral Wheel Race, which survives to this day, was a massive event (1897 photo finish below) as was the Melbourne/Warrnambool.

But that's not what I came here to talk about this morning.

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« 2014-Jan-02, 09:20 AM Reply #317 »

Why do you need some criteria - just pick the one's you love - which is what I suspect most do anyway. 

Cheers

 

I love them all Tim.  That's the problem.  I need criteria for purely practical reasons.  My project is essentially to survey every Australian racing season from 1860 to the present, and nominate a 'Horse of the Year' for each one.  That's 154 horses right there but it still doesn't catch all the horses that should be on a site that seeks to be a reference to Australia's champion horses because of that criteria.  For example So You Think never won a Horse of the Year Award and is not in the Australian Racing Hall of Fame, neither is Elvstroem - and there are several more.

I invented the Colonial Hall of Fame because the Australian Racing Hall of Fame only draws four horses from the 19th century, about 8% of its inductees.  By comparison, the last time I did a count, 24% of the Americans Hall of Fame inductees were from the 19th century.  Since I made that count the numbers in the US HOF are approaching 200.  The problem with having very many inductees is that it diminishes the elevated status of the inductees and it also becomes something of a turn off for the curious reader when confronted by a multitude like that.

On the other hand the Americans would no sooner leave Lexington out of their Hall of Fame than blow their nose on their flag.  In Australia it has taken 13 years before we elevated a stallion into the Hall and even then it was an import from the 1950s.  Our Hall has a thing about the 1950s and 60s.  While we only have four horses from the 19th century we manage to squeeze in 13 (28%) form the 1950s and 60s.  That suggests to me that sense of history of the gentlemen who make the selections is limited to their own personal experience of it -  in other words they are old men selecting the glorious horses of their youth and their appreciation of what preceded their time is very limited.

The Americans also hold to the convention of not inducting horses until 5 years after they have retired from the turf.  Black Caviar went in to the ARHOF before she had even left the track.

I am not suggesting we do everything the Americans do but I do think the Hall of Fame needs to represent the history and heritage of the Australian thoroughbred as its first priority. There are very few things in Australian culture that we have continuously done for more than 200 years but horse racing is one of them. It's an important heritage and it deserves a more respectful sense of priority, proportion and purpose than it has embodied in its Hall of Fame.

On the other hand, getting together annually from a slap up dinner with your mates and glorifying the horses from your youth has a very Australian flavour to it.  We are what we are.

For my own part, because I don't want to write an encyclopedia (it may be too late) and want to contain the collection of profiles so that I might have a show of completing it before I die, I have used some quirky criteria of my own.

I have given some thought to the issue of criteria.  My criteria that is....




My first criteria is fame itself.  As mine is a reference site where people might go to learn more about a horse they have heard of, fame is a primary criteria.

Fame is why Jorrocks is in my 24, and Archer and Martini Henri.  But I tell you what, Le Grand was a better horse than Martini Henri but how on earth could I leave out a horse that won the Derby and Cup at his first two starts ?  Martini Henri will always be more famous than Le Grand - but Le Grand was the better horse.

Another important criteria for me is Legacy.  What did the horse contribute to the breed ?  That's why Trenton gets the nod, and Yattendon too.  Both were outstanding performers on the racetrack even though Trenton's career was limited to 8 Australian starts and Yattendon never raced anywhere but Randwick, their contributions as sires elevated them by my criteria.

A more vague criteria is representation of their era.  It is another reason Jorrocks was the first horse I selected because not only was he the best performed horse of the 1840s his pedigree is like a road map to the early colonial horse - and he was the first truly famous horse in the colonies.  I am tempted to include Petrel as well.  Petrel was the 'Port Phillip Lion'.  His pregnant dam was stolen from her paddock in NSW and marched overland by the bushranger who stole her, all the way to the Western district of Port Phillip where he paused at a station while the mare foaled Petrel.  He took the mare and left the foal behind.  They only discovered he could run when he was working as a young stock horse and ran down an emu.  It's a great yarn, a story worth telling, and it is represenatative of the times, and one of the reasons we still know his name today.

Performance on the racetrack is just one of the criteria.  I tend to favour horses that are responsible for 'firsts', who make and break records, who are plainly dominant and who exceed expectations.  I don't use the pattern system in any way, shape or form.  The status and quality of races change over time and assessment of their merits needs to be made in the context of their own time.

Increasing though, and for want of a better term, I find Justice creeping into my criteria.  Like I say Le Grand was a better horse than Martini Henri.  The Australian Peer was better performed than Abercorn, and First King was the equal of Chester ... but they didn't make the cut in the initial 24 of my Colonial Hall of Fame. 

I think I need to build an annexe.

But that is more than enough from me.  Time to present another horse that nobody has ever heard of....

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« 2014-Jan-02, 09:29 AM Reply #318 »

FIRST KING
1874 bay horse
(King of the Ring - Mischief)
Bred, owned and trained by James Wilson
St Albans Stud, Geelong, Vic

15 starts :  10 wins 3 seconds 1 third 1 fourth
Distance range : 5f to 24f  Win S/R:  67%  Place S/R: 93%

AT TWO YEARS :  3 starts 3 wins

1Jan1877 Flemington WON 11 VRC NORMANDY SKS 5f 8.10 4/6* 2L Lockleys 8.10 1.06
27Jan1877 Geelong WON 5 GRC BARWON PLATE (2&3yos) 8f 7.2 1/1* 1l Adelaide (3f) 8.2 1.47.0
6Mar1877 Flemington WON 9 VRC ASCOT VALE STAKES 6f 9.1 6/4* 2L Salisbury 8.10 1.25.0

AT THREE YEARS :  7 starts 3 wins 2 seconds 1 third 1 fourth

3Nov1877 Flemington 3rd 12 VRC Victoria Derby 12f 8.10 6/1 2L Chester 8.10 2.43.0R
10Nov1877 Flemington 2nd 6 VRC Mares Produce Sks 10f 8.10 6/1 1L Chester 8.10 2.11
1Jan1878 Flemington WON 7 VRC CHAMPION STAKES 24f 7.3 10/9 2L Chester 7.3 5.26.0R
1Feb1878 Geelong 4th 8 GRC Geelong Gold Cup 16f 8.10 1/1*   Newminster 8.0 3.42.0
2Mar1878 Flemington WON 3 VRC ST LEGER SKS 14f 8.10 1/1= shthd Chester 8.10 3.24.0
5Mar1878 Flemington WON 13 VRC AUSTRALIAN CUP 18f 8.5 3/1 1L Swiveller 6.6 4.02R
9Mar1878 Flemington 2nd 3 VRC Town Plate 16f 8.5 4/5* 2L Chester 7.12 3.36
AT FOUR YEARS : 0 starts
AT FIVE YEARS : 5 starts 4 wins 1 second
1Nov1879 Flemington WON 4 VRC MELBOURNE STAKES 10f 9.3 1/2* 1L Richmond 9.3 2.14
6Nov1879 Flemington WON 5 VRC ROYAL PARK SKS 16f 9.5 4/6* 3L Swiveller 9.5 3.34
8Nov1879 Flemington 2nd 5 VRC Canterbury Plate 18f 9.5 2/5* 1L Suwarrow 7.6 4.13
1Jan1880 Flemington WON 7 VRC CHAMPION STAKES 24f 9.6 4/7* 4L Wellington 9.6 5.40
2Mar1880 Flemington WON 3 VRC PORT PHILLIP STAKES 20f 9.5 1/5* L Wellington 9.6 4.38

I reckon I know a thing or two about the colonial turf but I am astonished that I could put together a 24 horse Hall of Fame and leave First King out.  I have always had a gnawing doubt that he should be included but never sat down to research his record properly.  I think I have been blind sided by his rival Chester, and the tendency to assume that First King was just one of the good horses that Chester beat.  It was a false assumption.

Chester and First King met five times.  It would have been more but for unfortunate injuries to both horses that kept them apart.  The head to head is 3/2 in favour of Chester but the first two defeats of First King by Chester - which were his first two defeats on the racetrack - occurred in the Spring of 1877 in the Victoria Derby and Mares Produce Stakes.  First King was troubled by a split hoof, missed a lot of work and went into those races half fit.  Fully fit, six weeks later First King defeated Chester in the VRC Champion Stakes and the St Leger, before he scored a sterling victory in the Australian Cup but Chester reasserted his claim defeating First King in the VRC Town Plate on the final day of the 1878 Autumn meeting.

First King did not come out again for 19 months - I haven't been able to learn the nature of the problem - and Chester dominated the turf in his absence.  But as Wilson worked First King into full fitness in the Spring of 1879 Chester went wrong in Sydney and wasn't seen for more than a year.  In Chester's absence First King dominated.

A fabulous Flemington horse First King won 9 of his 13 starts at the track., all in stakes races,

James Wilson considered First King the best horse he ever trained which is high praise as he also trained the likes of Don Juan and Briseis.  He bred him by Joe Thompson's stallion King of the Ring from the mare Mischief which Wilson had bred at St Albans.  Mischief was a great producer who also gave us Maid of All Work (Maribyrnong Plate, VRC Sires, Ascot Vale Sks and VRC Oaks winner)  and First King's full sister Petrea (VRC Sires, Ascot Vale Sks, VRC Oaks, AJC St Leger & Sydney Cup winner).

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« 2014-Jan-02, 09:25 PM Reply #319 »
I like your criteria Tonts.  Makes a lot of sense. 
Love the story of Petrel.  So Australian. 

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« 2014-Jan-03, 09:15 AM Reply #320 »
Firezuki,

It's a yarn that doesn't get told very often these days but here it is :

PETREL :  The Port Phillip Lion


A stranger in the company of two heavily pregnant mares arrived at Reily's farm in the Grampians in 1841.  He didn't have a lot to say other than that he was traveling to Adelaide and it was clear to Reily that the mares were near ready to foal.  As soon as the mares foaled the close lipped stranger took the mares with him, leaving the foals behind.  Reily suspected the mares had been stolen.   It was common practice for horses to be stolen and marched far enough away that they wouldn't be recognized.  The foals kicked around Reily's paddock for two years.  One was just a hack but the chestnut showed promise of growing into a useful stock horse. 

According to the Australian Turf Register of 1866 the chestnut was bought by a bloke called Gubb for his lady wife to ride...

"When only 2 years old he was ridden as a hack by Mrs Gubb, a lady who turned the scales at 14 stone.
His merits were first discovered owing to a disagreement between Mr and Mrs Gubb as to the proprietorship of a bottle of rum.
Mrs Gubb defied him to catch her and a race ensued in which the fair 14 stone one distanced her lord and master."


As a three year old the chestnut was in the hands of John Gieving, who ran the colt as a stockhorse . He looked clumsy at rest, having the fore- quarters of a racehorse and hindquarters heavy enough to fit him for cart work.  But at a touch of the heel he coud produce surprising speed that made him celebrated in the Grampians.

One afternoon, several stockmen were riding in company. One of them was mounted on the chestnut.  An emu was sighted, and for a lark the stockmen set after it in pursuit. They rode wildly over the open country, none of them, of course, hoping to get anywhere near the bird.  One by one, they reined in their winded horses, but the chestnut kept galloping.

"He's gaining on the bird," shouted the men who had abandoned the hunt.  "Now he's up with him."

The chestnut's rider loosened a stirrup iron and struck down the bird at full gallop. It became the best true story in the Grampians for decades.

Colin Campbell got wind of the story and figured that if the horse could outpace and emu for fun he could race other horses for cash. He called on John Gieving with a fine mare worth  20 and offer to swap her for the heavy chestnut.  She was a nice mare and Geiving quickly accepted the swap.

Campbell called the colt Petrel after the birds that nest the Mud Islands at the mouth of Port Phillip Bay and brought him to the Maryborough races on 20 February 1845.  His reputation from the Grampians preceded him but the crowd took one look at him and laughed ... until Petrel cantered home to win the 3YO Plate.  Campbell took him directly to Melbourne for the Town Plate.  The Plate was the best race in the district and worth 100 sovereigns, and had attracted the well fancied Tasmanian Smolensko.  The race was in heats of two miles and a distance run an hour apart and Petrel won them both to secure the prize.

Petrel went on to win races everywhere in 1845 and returned to win the 1846 Town Plate against another Tasmanian challenger Paul Jones  .Campbell had done well from Petrel but after the Town Plate, with the horse at the peak of his popularity Campbell raffled his horse at the Royal Hotel in Collins Street selling 40 tickets at 5 a piece, netting 200 - a huge sum for any horse at the time.

The lucky winner was the society gentleman Mr.Riddell who conducted the Grand Petrel Ball to celebrate his win decking the hall in Petrel's colours and all the horse's gear, and it was at this ball that the new fangled Polish polka was danced for the first time.  When the ball was over he auctioned his prize for 150 guineas to Mr.Borradaile who declared he would take Petrel to Sydney to take on the best horses in New South Wales.

The trip was hasty and the voyage was long and rough.  When he arrived the men of the turf in Sydney rushed to inspect the 'Port Phillip Lion' and declared they had no doubts about his sire .  "He is obviously a Steeltrap. All Steeltrap's sons are identical" they proclaimed. The imported Steeltrap had been a leading sire in the colony in the 1830s and there were reports of mares being served by him having been stolen in 1841. 

Petrel's mission roused great excitement in both Sydney and Melbourne as it was the first inter colonial showdown on the Sydney turf, although technically Port Phillip was still a part of NSW in 1846 the push for Seperation had already begun.  And the Sydney turf was dominated by two champions, the 'Iron Gelding' Jorrocks and his 'darling' Blue Bonnet.  The trio was slated to face off in the 3 mile All Aged Stakes at Homebush.  It was the biggest sporting event in the history of the colonies - and a massive anti climax.  Jorrocks romped in and Petrel was flogged and distanced.  The Sydney turfites gloated, oh my didn't they gloat, and Petrel was sent back to Port Phillip in disgrace.  Jorrocks went on to win another Australian Plate at Homebush before suffering a defeat by Emerald in the Maitland Town Plate then winning his next 31 starts in succession.

Keen to rub it in, the racing men of Sydney sent Emerald to Melbourne to contest the Town Plate against Petrel in 1847, but the tension got the better of Petrel's rider, who we only know as 'Sandy, the butcher' and in the course of the first heat Petrel was disqualified after Sandy was seen to beat the rider of Emerald about the head with his whip !   The disqualification of Petrel didn't much help Emerald's cause as he was roundly beaten by the emerging local colt Bunyip for the Plate.

Petrel returned to win a third Melbourne Town Plate in 1848 and continued to win throughout the district until he was 14 years old. He won a fourth Melbourne Town Plate in 1852 as an 11 year old.

NSW had its Jorrock's, the Victorians had their Petrel and that humiliating All Aged Stakes in 1846 was the seed of an inter colonial rivalry that drove colonial racing for the remainder of the century.  The inferiority of the Victorians horses was a spur to their improvement and 10 years on the Victorians issued another challenge that resulted in the great Championship match race between Veno and Alice Hawthorne in 1857 which was the stepping stone to the Australian Championship Sweepstakes races, which in turn were the precursor to the Melbourne Cup. 

It is a rivalry that has never ended.


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Hydrogen (AUS) 1948                                 
60 starts, 26 wins (7 x Group 1), 8 seconds and 9 thirds.  Win % 43.3, Place % 71.7.                                  
Hydrogen surpassed Phar Lap's Australian stakewinnings when he won the 1953 VRC CB Fisher Plate.  Hydrogen finished racing with stakewinnings of 59,429.  When North American earnings are included in total stakewinnings Shannon was still the leading Australasian stakewinner to that time followed by Phar Lap.                                   
                                 
TWO YEARS:  1950-1951  Starts 4: 2-0-0-2                                 
                                 
3rd-18   13/01/1951.   2L x lg nk   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Juvenile Encourage Hcp   5f. 14y.   1019m.   8.7.   54kg   1.02.5.   16/1.   Free Rule 8.10 4/5F 1st
1st-14   27/01/1951.   0.5L x 5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Sunnyside Hcp   6f.   1207m.   8.0.   51kg   1.13.5.   3/1.   Free Rule 8.10 7/4F 2nd
1st-18   10/03/1951.   1.75L x lg nk   Rosehill, Sydney, NSW, AUS   STC Macarthur Quality Hcp   6.5f   1317m.   8.12.   56kg   1.21.5.   7/2.   Mercury 8.3 4/1 2nd
3rd-9   24/03/1951.   0.75L x 2.5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Sires' Produce Stakes   7f.   1408m.   8.10.   55.5kg   1.26.0.   Good, 10/9F   Ocean Bound 8.10 5/2 1st
                                 
THREE YEARS:  1951-1952  Starts 17: 8-3-2-4                                 
                                 
1st-13   25/08/1951.   1.5L x 0.75L   run at Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Hobartville Stakes   7f. 17⅔y.   1424m.   8.10.   55.5kg   1.25.25.   Good 4/1.   Montana 8.10 33/1 2nd
2nd-7   8/09/1951.   3L x 3L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Tattersall's Club Jubilee Chelmsford Stakes   9f. 25y.   1833m.   7.9.   48.5kg   1.52.25.   Dead 5/4F   Delta 9.4 9/4 1st
1st-13   15/09/1951.   2L x 1L   Rosehill, Sydney, NSW, AUS   STC Rosehill Guineas (G1)   10f.   2011m.   8.5.   53kg   2.05.0.   Good 10/9F   Montana 8.5 7/1 2nd
5th-10   29/09/1951.   1L x hd   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Derby   12f.   2414m.   8.10.   55.5kg   2.33.75.   Good 4/9F   Channel Rise 8.10 25/1 1st
1st-6   3/10/1951.   2.5L x 4L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Craven Plate   10f.   2011m.   7.11.   49.5kg   2.13.0.   Heavy 4/1   Davey Jones 9.0 7/2 2nd
1st-20   13/10/1951.   Nk x 3L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Caulfield Guineas (G1)   8f.   1609m.   8.10.   55.5kg   1.38.25.   Good 4/1.   Diplomacy 8.10 8/1 2nd
2nd-11   27/10/1951.   Nk x 0.5L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC W. S. Cox Plate   10f.   2011m.   7.11.   49.5kg   2.05.5   Holding 5/4F   Bronton 7.11 25/1 1st
1st-16   3/11/1951.   1.5L x hd   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Victoria Derby (G1)   12f.   2414m.   8.10.   55.5kg   2.31.0.   Good 9/4F   Shoreham 8.10 40/1 2nd
5th-28   6/11/1951.   0.75L x 3L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Melbourne Cup   16f.   3219m.   cd 7.8.   48kg   3.24.25.   Good, 7/1   Delta 9.5 10/1 1st
                                 
5th-6   1/03/1952.   1.5L x hd   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC St George Stakes   9f.   1810m.   8.4.   52.5kg   1.52.75.   Good, 5/1   Delta 9.2 9/4F 1st
3rd-4   10/03/1952.   3L x hd   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Ercildoune Stakes   10f.   2011m.   8.4.   52.5kg   2.06.25.   Good 7/2   Delta 9.2 1/3F 1st
1st-3   15/03/1952.   5L x 7L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC St Leger Stakes   14f.   2816m.   8.10.   55.5kg   2.58.75.   Good 4/5F   Lady Havers 8.7 6/4 2nd
1st-12   29/03/1952.   Nk x 2.5L   Rosehill, Sydney, NSW, AUS   STC Rosehill Cup   10f.   2011m.   8.11.   56kg   2.03.5.   Good 2/1F   Jan 8.3 10/1 2nd
2nd-5   5/04/1952.   1.25L x 3l   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Chipping Norton Stakes   10f. 27⅔y.   2055m.   8.6.   53.5kg   2.07.5.   Dead 7/2   Delta 9.2 4/7F 1st
1st-3   12/04/1952.   3L x 15L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC St Leger Stakes   14f.   2816m.   8.10.   55.5kg   3.09.5.   Dead, 1/8F   Pressman 8.10 16/1 2nd
6th-12   14/04/1952.   Hd x 8L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Sydney Cup   16f.   3219m.   8.2.   52kg   3.37.25.   Dead, 4/1EF   Opulent cd 7.1 16/1 1st
3rd-4   19/04/1952.   3L x 1.25L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Plate (later Queen Elizabeth Stakes)   18f.   3621m.   8.2.   52kg   3.54.25.   Good 11/8F   Aristrocrat 9.0 7/2 1st
                                 
FOUR YEARS:  1952-1953  Starts 19: 8-2-3-6                                 
                                 
2nd-8   13/09/1952.   4L x 1.25L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Tattersall's Club Chelmsford Stakes   9f.   1810m.   9.0.   57kg   1.49.25 (ANZR)   Good, 7/1   Delta 9.4 8/11F 1st
1st-9   27/09/1952.   2L x lg nk   Rosehill, Sydney, NSW, AUS   STC Hill Stakes   8.5f.   1709m.   9.0.   57kg   1.45.0   Good, 7/4EF   Suncup cd 7.10 7/4EF 2nd
2nd-5   4/10/1952.   0.75L x 10L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Colin Stephen Stakes   12f.   2414m.   9.0.   57kg   2.41.75.   Fast, 4/5F   Dalray 9.0 2/1 1st
1st-5   8/10/1952.   1.75L x 2.5l   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Craven Plate   10f. 25y.   2053m.   9.0.   57kg   2.10.25   Slow 1/1F   Deep River 7.11 2/1 2nd
6th-8   11/10/1952.   3L x hd   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC The Queen's Cup   12f. 28y.   2440m.   9.0.   57kg   2.33.0.   Dead, 6/4   Salamanca 7.2 50/1 1st
1st-13   25/10/1952.   1.5L x 2L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC W.S. Cox Plate (G1)   10f.   2011m.   9.0.   57kg   2.04.5.   Good 11/8F   Ellerslie 9.4 6/1 2nd
21st-30   4/11/1952.   0.5L x 1.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Melbourne Cup   16f.   3219m.   9.0   57kg   3.23.75.   Dead, 7/1   Dalray (NZ) 9.8 5/1F 1st
1st-7   8/11/1952.   Hd x 2.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC C.B. Fisher Plate   12f.   2414m.   9.0.   57kg   2.34.75.   Fair, 4/5F   Aldershot 9.4 12/1 2nd
                                 
4th-21   14/02/1953.   4L x 0.5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Bellevue Hill Hcp   6f.   1207m.   9.3.   58.5kg   1.11.5.   Good, 9/1   Tarien 8.3 1/1F 1st
1st-10   21/02/1953.   3L x 1.5L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC St George Stakes   9f.   1810m.   9.0.   57kg   1.51.25.   Good 5/4F   Flying Halo 9.2 9/2 2nd
3rd-4   7/03/1953.   10L x 3L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Ercildoune Stakes   12f.   2414m.   9.0.   57kg   2.30.5.   Good 10/9   Aldershot 9.3 1st
3rd-5   9/03/1953.   Nk x 1.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC C. M. Lloyd Stakes   8f.   1609m.   9.0.   57kg   1.38.0.   Good 5/4F   Flying Halo 9.1 11/4 1st
1st-15   21/03/1953.   3L x 0.5L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Alister Clark Stakes   10f.   2011m.   9.5.   59.5kg   2.06.5.   Good 7/2F   Quite Talk 8.2 7/1 2nd
3rd-4   28/03/1953.   Sht hd x sht nk   Warwick Farm, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Chipping Norton Stakes   10f.   2011m.   9.0.   57kg   2.15.0.   Good 6/4   Carioca 9.2 9/10F 1st
5th-17   6/04/1953.   2.5L x nk   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Sydney Cup   16f.   3219m.   8.10.   55.5kg   3.22.25.   Good 10/1   Carioca 8.9 9/4F 1st
1st-5   2/05/1953.   3L x 1.5L   Eagle Farm, Brisbane, QLD, AUS   QTC P.J. O'Shea Stakes   10f.   2011m.   9.0.   57kg   2.07.25.   Holding 5/4F   Jan 8.10 7/1 2nd
1st-11   4/05/1953.   2.5L x hd   Eagle Farm, Brisbane, QLD, AUS   QTC Brisbane Cup (G1)   16f.   3219m.   8.9.   55kg   3.22.0.   Good 3/1F   Welkin Sun 8.6 6/1 2nd
8th-26   4/07/1953.   Hd x nse   Doomben, Brisbane, QLD, AUS   BATC Doomben "Ten Thousand" Hcp   7f. less 93y.   1323m.   9.6.   60kg   1.17.5.   Good, 12/1   True Leader 8.4 14/1 1st
5th-23   11/07/1953.   0.5L x nk   Doomben, Brisbane, QLD, AUS   BATC Doomben Cup Hcp   11f. less 22y.   2193m.   9.6.   60kg   2.15.0.   Fast, 9/4F   French Echo 8.3 10/1 1st
                                 
FIVE YEARS:  1953-1954  Starts 17: 8-3-1-5                                 
                                 
1st-6   8/08/1953.   6L x 2.5L   Eagle Farm, Brisbane, QLD, AUS   QTC JHS Barnes Stakes   10f.   2011m.   9.4.   59kg   2.05.5.   Good 2/7F   Earldom 9.4 10/1 2nd
2nd-5   15/08/1953.   3L x 1.5L   Eagle Farm, Brisbane, QLD, AUS   QTC Queen's Cup   12f.   2414m.   9.5.   59.5kg   2.28.25.   Good 4/6F   Euphrates 7.2 9/2 1st
4th-10   12/09/1953.   Lg hd x 1.5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Tattersall's Club Chelmsford Stakes   9f.   1810m.   9.4.   59kg   1.51.0.   Good 5/2   Royal Stream cd 7.11 16/1 1st
1st-4   29/09/1953.   1.75L x 8L   Rosehill, Sydney, NSW, AUS   STC Hill Stakes   8.5f   1709m.   9.4.   59kg   1.45.25.   Holding 7/4   Tarien 8.13 4/5F 2nd
1st-4   3/10/1953.   3L x 6L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Colin Stephen Stakes   12f.   2414m.   9.5.   59.5kg   2.32.25.   Good 1/4F   Lord Saunders 9.5 20/1 2nd
2nd-12   5/10/1953.   Lg hd x 1.5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Metropolitan   13f.   2615m.   9.3.   58.5kg   2.43.5.   Good, 4/1   Carioca 9.7 7/4F 1st
1st-4   10/10/1953.   5L x 1.5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Randwick Plate   14f.   2816m.   9.5.   59.5kg   3.00.0.   Good 1/4F   Friendly Feeling 9.0 5/1 2nd
1st-15   24/10/1953.   1L x 1.5L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC W.S. Cox Plate (G1)   10f.   2011m.   9.4.   59kg   2.05.25.   Good 3/1.   Prince Morvi 7.11 9/1 2nd
1st-6   31/10/1953.   1.25L x 2L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC L.K.S Mackinnon Stakes (G1)   10f.   2011m.   9.4.   59kg   2.05.25.   Good 4/9F   Aldershot 9.4 7/1 2nd
6th-21   3/11/1953.   0.75L x 2L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Melbourne Cup   16f.   3219m.   9.4.   59kg   3.23.75.   Good, 4/1F   Wodalla 8.4 14/1 1st
1st-3   7/11/1953.   4L x 15L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC C.B. Fisher Plate   12f.   2414m.   9.4.   59kg   2.42.5.   Heavy, 4/6F   Quite Talk 9.4 4/1 2nd
                                 
2nd-6   23/01/1954.   0.75L x 3L   Rosehill, Sydney, NSW, AUS   STC Sydney Turf Club Stakes   7.5f.   1508m.   9.2.   58kg   1.30.0   Good, 4/5F   Carioca 9.2 7/4 1st
5th-17   6/02/1954.   2.5L x 0.5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Queen Elizabeth Stakes   12f.   2414m.   9.0.   57kg   2.27.25.   Good, 12/1   Blue Ocean 7.0 33/1 1st
5th-11   13/02/1954.    nk x 1.25L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC St George Stakes   9f.   1810m.   9.2.   58kg   1.51.5.   Good, 6/4F   Cromis 8.3 11/4 1st
6th-11   27/02/1954.   0.75L x 0.75L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC The Queen Elizabeth Stakes   13f.   2615m.   9.3.   58.5kg   2.44.0.   Good, 7/2   Cromis 8.1 2/1F 1st
1st-4   3/03/1954.   2L x 1.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Queen's Plate   14f.   2816m.   9.3.   58.5kg   3.03.25.   Good, 7/2   Aldershot 9.3 4/1 2nd
3rd-4   3/04/1954.   Hd x 3L   Warwick Farm, Sydney, NSW, AUS   AJC Chipping Norton Stakes   10f.   2011m.   9.2.   58kg   2.04.25.   Good, 5/4F   Gallant Archer 9.0 2/1 1st
                                 
SIX YEARS:  1954-1955  Starts 3: 0-0-1-2                                 
                                 
3rd-10   13/10/1954.   1.5L x 2L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Caulfield Stakes   9f.   1810m.   9.4.   59kg   1.49.75.   Good, 6/1   Rising Fast (NZ) 9.1 1/1F 1st
9th-16   23/10/1954.   4L x 1.5L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC W.S. Cox Plate   10f.   2011m.   9.4.   59kg   2.03.8   Good, 4/1   Rising Fast (NZ) 9.4 11/8F 1st
4th-8   30/10/1954.    nk x 5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC L.K.S Mackinnon Stakes   10f.   2011m.   9.4.   59kg   2.02.0. (ECR)   Good, 12/1   Rising Fast 9.1 1/3F 1st
                                 
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« 2014-Jan-05, 04:37 AM Reply #322 »
Rising Fast (NZ) 1949   
68 starts, 24 wins (7 x Group 1), 17 seconds and 2 thirds.  Win % 35.3, Place % 63.2.    
   
PoisonPen7 has Rising Fast unplaced in his last start as a 2YO and first two starts as a 3YO.  According to the NZTR he finished fourth in each of those races.   
   
Rising Fast won NZ4,055 before crossng the Tasman.  His Australian stakewinnings passed that of Hydrogen when he won the 1956 Memsie Stakes. His total Australian earnings were A63,010.  His total Australasian earnings made him the third highest Australasian stakewinner to that time behind Shannon and Phar Lap.     
   
The seven Group 1 wins we   
Spring 1954   
VATC Caulfield Stakes   
VATC Caulfield Cup   
MVRC W.S. Cox Plate   
VRC L.K.S Mackinnon Stakes   
VRC Melbourne Cup   
All in succession surpassing Tranquil Star's record of four successive open age Group 1 wins.   
   
Spring 1955   
VATC Caulfield Cup   
VRC L.K.S Mackinnon Stakes   

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« 2014-Jan-05, 04:39 AM Reply #323 »
And should have won the 55 Melbourne Cup as well. 

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« 2014-Jan-06, 01:48 PM Reply #324 »

PAUL PRY

1892 brown gelding (Lochiel NZ - Busybody)
Bred in Victoria (?)
Owned by 'Mr.Naylor' in WA, then by Sir Rupert Clarke
Trained by Tom Payten (NSW) Martin Payten (WA) and James Scobie (Vic)

102 starts - 30 wins in NSW, Victoria, Western Australia and South Australia

Major wins

1901 Vic VATC BOND CUP 12 F
1900 Vic WILLIAMSTOWN CUP 11F
1900 NSW RANDWICK PLATE 24 F
1900 NSW WYCOMBE STAKES 11F
1900 NSW CRAVEN PLATE 10 F
1900 NSW AJC SPRING STAKES 12 F
1900 SA PAJC BIRTHDAY CUP 12 F
1900 SA SAJC ELDER STAKES 9 F
1900 NSW AJC AUTUMN STAKES 12F
1899 SA ARC PARKSIDE STAKES 9 F
1899 SA ONKAPARINGA CUP 11F
1898 SA ARC PARKSIDE STAKES 9 F
1898 SA ADELAIDE CUP 13 F
1898 SA SAJC ELDER STAKES 9 F
1897 Vic TOORAK HANDICAP 8 F
1897 WA KALGOORLIE CUP 12 F
1897 WA KALGOORLIE CUP 12F
1897 WA COOLGARDIE CUP 10 F
1897 WA WATC BIRTHDAY CUP 12F
1897 WA WATC AUTUMN CUP 8 F
1897 WA WATC PERTH STAKES 9 F
  • Originally trained by Tom Payten in Sydney but proved disappointing only winning a Moorefield Welter in July 1896 at his last outing as a 3YO
  • Payten took him to Melbourne where he ran some useful races over the carnival and wins the Truganina Welter at Williamstown the day that Merman won the Cup.
  • Offered at auction but passed in at 210 guineas.  Later privately sold to 'Mr.Naylor' of Western Australia and trained by Tom Payten's brother Martin
  • Won a string of races in Perth impressively before winning the rich goldfields cup double with great ease.
  • Won a second Kalgoorlie Cup (two editions in 1987) and taken East by Martin Payten where he wins the VATC Toorak Handicap and runs 4th in Amberite's Caulfield Cup
  • Sold at auction to Sir Rupert Clarke for 600 guineas.  Clarke intends on taking the gelding to India
  • Sent to James Scobie in Ballarat who prepares him to dominate the Adleaide carnival in 1898 winning the Adelaide Cup
  • Clarke has Paul Pry schooled and sets him for the Grand National Hurdle - he is made top weight and favourite

In April, prior to Paul Pry's dominant Adelaide campaign, an agent of Sir Rupert Clarke buys a pony Silver Bell at the Richmond races for export to India conditional on Silver Bell racing once more at the Fitzroy (Croxton Park) races.  Neither Richmond nor Fitzroy are 'registered' race tracks with the VRC and the VRC's penalty for racing at an unregistered track is disqualification of the owner.  Although Clarke had no knowledge of the purchase of Silver Bell until after it had run at Fitzroy, and despite Sir Rupert's candidacy for the VRC committee, the VRC disqualified Clarke for half an hour just days before the Grand National which had the effect of voiding all Clarke's nominations including Paul Pry's nominations for the Grand National and the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups.  It also voided Clarke's nominations of colts and fillies for the Derby and Oaks in 15 months time and any other foal nomination races.  Sir Rupert declares he will never race in Victoria again.

  • For the next two seasons Paul Pry is campaigned anywhere but Victoria.  He wins the Onkaparinga Cup at Oakbank, the Parkside Stakes in Adelaide, the WFA Autumn Stakes at Randwick, and a second Thomas Elder Stakes in Adeliade
  • As an 8YO, still trained by Scobie at Ballarat, Paul Pry dominates the WFA races at the AJC Spring carnival in 1900 winning the Spring Sks, Craven Plate, Wycombe Stakes and Randwick Plate
  • Sir Rupert finally lifts the embargo and Paul Pry return to the Victorian turf winning the 1900 Williamstown Cup and the 1901 Bond Cup at Caulfield.
  • Although the rift between Clarke and the VRC healed the Clarke family tended to favour the VATC after the Paul Pry affair considerably adding to its prestige

Note : Sir Rupert's father Sir William Clarke was made Baronet of Rupertswood by Queen Victoria and the title was inherited by his son, and his grandson, also Sir Rupert, after whom the Rupert Clarke Stakes is named.  Rupertswood was also the name of the family mansion in Sunbury.  Paul Pry died in 1909 at Rupertswood when he fell off a bridge over a deep gully on the estate.



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