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« 2018-Jul-31, 09:33 PM Reply #1800 »
Thanks for checking, Tonto. The Flying Hcp was just careless cutting and pasting. I've corrected it now to the Flying Stakes.

Barbelle carried 8st 7lb in the 1872 Cup, but what is amazing by 2018 standards is that she switched from the 2 miles of the Cup to the 7 furlongs of the Flying Stakes 2 days later and she did that 4 seasons in a row. Over the 4 days of the 1872 Flemington Spring Carnival, she started 6 times. 

I think she deserves a place in the top 100. Her record wasn't outstanding but it was a bit better than I thought it would be. Her Doncaster/Sydney Cup double is unique (and she won them both easily).

Frances Tressady was nowhere near as good.


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« 2018-Jul-31, 11:11 PM Reply #1801 »
I don't think anyone wants Frances in the Top 100.  When Authorized initially mentioned her he made a point of saying she was not worthy but I just included every horse mentioned along the way as a matter of policy. 

I think I added Barbelle to the list because I had named her the Horse of the Season for 1870. 

One of the principal critera for a 'great' mare is to be the best performed horse in any given season - and that is not a terribly long list...

Gr.1
Wins     Name       DOB
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2   BARBELLE    1865
4   LURLINE   1869
5   BRISEIS   1873
4   LA CARABINE   1894
12   WAKEFUL   1896
8   GLADSOME   1900
4   LADY WALLACE   1902
6   DESERT GOLD   1912
5   CUDDLE   1929
7   TRANQUIL STAR   1937
11   WENONA GIRL   1957
3   LIGHT FINGERS   1961
5   LEILANI   1970
5   MAYBE MAHAL   1972
5   SURROUND   1973
3   ROSE OF KINGSTON   1978
6   EMANCIPATION   1979
6   BOUNDING AWAY   1983
4   RESEARCH   1985
4   LET'S ELOPE   1987
13   SUNLINE   1995
7   MAKYBE DIVA   1999
5   MISS ANDRETTI   2001
6   TYPHON TRACY   2005
15   BLACK CAVIAR   2006
17   WINX   2011
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... but is does account for 26 of the Top 100.   (but does not include Hall of Famer Flight who I couldn't place as the leading horse of any season due to the presence of Bernborough, Shannon and Tranquil Star.)

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« 2018-Aug-01, 09:35 AM Reply #1802 »
As some others have commented on, it's interesting how there were a number of high quality mares and fillies from c.1895-1910 or so, then quite a dearth until later in the 20th century.  Winx, Black Caviar, Sunline and Makybe Diva along with Wakeful would be in many top 5s. Statistically, that's highly unusual to have the very best in a 20 year period out of 160 or so years.

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« 2018-Aug-01, 06:51 PM Reply #1803 »
Tonto

I make that three


2nd AJC All-Aged Stakes (only 2 started)

1868/69 3yo 5 1/1/-

Unpl AJC Derby
Unpl AJC Maiden Plate
1st AJC Mares’ Produce Stakes
2nd AJC Grand Stand Plate
Unpl Homebush Derby

1869/70 4yo 11 4½/-/1

=1st AJC Presidents’ Hcp
Unpl AJC Metropolitan
1st AJC Tradesmen’s Plate
1st AJC Sydney Hcp
Unpl AJC Waverley Hcp
Unpl Melbourne Cup
Unpl VRC Flying Stakes
1st AJC Doncaster
1st Sydney Cup
3rd AJC City Hcp
Unpl AJC Randwick Hcp

1870/71 5yo 3 1/-/-

Unpl Melb Cup
1st VRC Flying Stakes,
Unpl VRC Hcp

1871/72 6yo 10 3/1/2

3rd AJC Metropolitan
Unpl Melbourne Stakes
Unpl Melbourne Cup
1st VRC Flying Stakes
1st VRC Free Hcp
1st VRC Hcp
Unpl Ballarat Cup
Unpl Ballarat Hcp
2nd AJC Randwick Hcp
3rd AJC Sydney Cup

1872/3 7yo 9 3/1/1½

1st Randwick AJC Tradesmen’s Plate
3rd VRC Melbourne Stakes
4th Melbourne Cup (top-weight)
1st VRC Flying Stakes
1st VRC Spring Hcp
2nd VRC All-Aged Stakes
Unpl  VRC Hcp
2nd Ballarat Telegraph Hcp
=3rd Ballarat Flying Hcp

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« 2018-Aug-01, 09:46 PM Reply #1804 »
JWH, I corrected it when Tonto pointed it out.  Originally, I had listed 2 Flying Handicaps and 1 Flying Stakes.

Barbelle, dropping back 4 years in a row from the 2 miles of the Cup to a 7 furlong race 2 days later and 3 times winning, was a pretty impressive achievement.

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« 2018-Aug-02, 05:04 PM Reply #1805 »
I thought the Flying Stakes was 7 furlongs too, and it was for a time (1887 to 1907), but when Barbelle won her hat trick it was 6 furlongs. 

What I would like to know is whether the 6 furlong course was the straight six we are familiar with or did they start it at the top of the course  by the river ?   I know the straight six wasn't an original feature of the course and training grounds occupied the area.  Following the fall shortly after the start  of the first Melbourne Cup the chute was extended into the training grounds for the Cup start to provide a straight run to the winning post but that chute wasn't extended to 6 furlongs until the 1870's (the Flying Stakes began in 1868). 

I was always under the impression that the Newmarket was inaugurated (1874) the same season that the straight six was opened and Barbelle's hattrick was in 1870-1871-1872.

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« 2018-Aug-14, 03:51 PM Reply #1806 »
Do any of you champions have the full form for the immortal Pablos Pulse ?

He is getting plenty of airtime today due to his Warwick Stakes exploits as a maiden, I am curious as to his actually form leading up to the race.

We all know that sometimes "maiden" means very little as far as the horse class is concerned.




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« 2018-Aug-14, 05:50 PM Reply #1807 »
Authorized, Barry Collier @turfhistory on twitter, posted an extract from the Sunday Press from 1987 which mentioned Pablo's Pulse had 4 starts for one second before the Warwick Stakes.

Barry Collier's twitter has a fantastic selection of historic racing photos and newspaper clippings including plenty of trotting and pacing material, very worthwhile following.

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« 2018-Aug-15, 02:02 AM Reply #1808 »
PABLO'S PULSE
Fist five starts...


20/4/87   4th Newcastle Vales Point 2yo Hcp 1200m Galwin 1;
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1/8/87  2nd Randwick Exchange Hcp (2nd Div) 1200m x ½hd  Plover Cove 1;
15/8/87 13th  Rosehill Adelaide Casino Sks 1200m Southern flash 1st;
20/8/87 6th  Gosford Winfield Classic 1600m Hit It Benny  1;
22/8/87  Won Warwick farm AJC Warwick Stakes 1400m




60 minutes before the race Ron Dufficy stood down due to influenza and the ride went to Newcastle battler Jamie de Belin.
Pablo's Pulse was trained by 22 year old Craig Oldfield.  He obviously expected something of the 3YO maiden as he started him three times in the week including the Gosford Winfield Classic on the Thursday before the Warwick.   I must say it was a very ordinary Warwick Stakes, little more than a Welter field beyond the odds on favourite Campaign King.  Terry Page is reported to have laid a bet of $50,000 to $50.

In Melbourne on the same day Rubiton, one of the most under rated champions of his times, won the Manikato Stakes at the start of his spectacular spring campaign. 

Pablo's Pulse never won another race.  He finished second to Campaign King in the Chelmsford at his following start and then his form went south and he ended his career running last at Taree on 29 October 1994 with 41 starts 1 win 4 seconds 3 thirds and $ 57630 of which $41750 came from his Warwick Stakes win.

His full record is at http://racing.racingnsw.com.au/InteractiveForm/HorseAllForm.aspx?HorseCode=NzE1NTE5ODkw&src=horsesearch

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« 2018-Aug-15, 03:15 PM Reply #1809 »
Thanks.

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« 2018-Aug-19, 07:38 PM Reply #1810 »

BLACK CAVIAR
2006 brown mare
BEL ESPRIT - HELSINGE  {1-p}
Bred by Rick Jamieson at Gilgai Farm, Nagambie, Vic
Sold for $210,000 to PG Moody 2008 Melbourne Premier Yearling Sale
Owned by Mr G J Wilkie, Mrs K J Wilkie, Werrett Bloodstock Pty Ltd, Mr CH Madden, Mrs JG Madden, Mrs P A Hawkes, Mr D M Taylor, Mrs J Taylor
Trained by Peter Moody

Salmon, Black Spots, Salmon And Black Spots Cap

25 starts : 25 wins  $7,953,936

2008-09  At TWO YEARS    2 starts :  2 wins
 
WON of 12 Flemington 18Apr09 1000m Good4 2Y HCP $75,000 ($66,750) Jarrad Noske 53kg (cd 51.5kg) Barrier 10 
2nd Kwassa Kwassa 57kg, 3rd Take the Rap (NZ) 53kg 0:56.63 (600m 32.76), 5L, 2nd@800m, 1st@400m, $2.4/$3
WON  of 10 Caulfield 02May09 1200m Good3 MRC Blue Sapphire Stakes Listed $100,500 ($67,500) Jarrad Noske 57.5kg Barrier 7 Rtg 76 2nd Demerit 57kg, 3rd Carrara 57.5kg 1:09.76 (600m 35.10), 6L, 1st@800m, 1st@400m, $1.4/$1.50
 

2009-10 At THREE YEARS    3 starts:  3 wins
 

WON of 5 Moonee Valley 22Aug09 1200m Firm2 MVRC Crockett Stakes Listed $101,000 ($68,000) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 3 Rtg 86 
2nd Miraculous Miss 55kg, 3rd Orbiting Belle 55kg 1:11.15 (600m 34.41), 3.75L, 2nd@800m, 2nd@400m, $1.16/$1.22/$1.20
WON of 9 Flemington 05Sep09 1200m Good3 VRC Danehill Stakes Group 2 $251,500 ($158,500) Luke Nolen 54kg Barrier 2 Rtg 92 
2nd Wanted 55.5kg, 3rd Rarefied 55.5kg 1:09.96 (600m 33.63), 0.75L, 1st@800m, 1st@400m, $1.4/$1.45
   
WON of 5 Moonee Valley 22Jan10 1200m Good3 MVRC Australia Stakes Group 2 $202,500 ($122,500) Luke Nolen 53kg Barrier 4 Rtg 99 
2nd Here de Angels 58.5kg, 3rd La Rocket 58.5kg 1:10.18 (600m 34.08), 2.25L, 2nd@800m, 2nd@400m $1.70
 
2010-11  At FOUR YEARS   8 starts : 8 wins  
 
WON of 8 Caulfield 09Oct10 1000m Good3 MRC Schillaci Stakes Group 2 $201,000 ($121,000) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 2 Rtg 107 
2nd Winter King (NZ) 58.5kg, 3rd General Truce 53kg 0:56.68 (600m 32.76), 1.25L, 3rd@800m, 1st@400m, $1.70/$1.90/$1.80
WON of 6 Moonee Valley 23Oct10 1200m Good4 MVRC AJ Moir Stakes Group 2 $305,000 ($185,000) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 2 Rtg 111 
2nd Hot Danish 56.5kg, 3rd True Persuasion 58.5kg 1:11.01 (600m 35.26), 5.5L, 2nd@800m, 1st@400m, $1.50/$1.40/$1.40
WON of 7 Flemington 06Nov10 1200m Good4 VRC Sprint Classic Group 1 $752,500 ($452,500) Ben Melham 56.5kg Barrier 6 Rtg 113 
2nd Star Witness 53.5kg, 3rd Ortensia 56.5kg 1:07.96 (600m 33.36), 4L, 1st@800m, 1st@400m, $1.70/$1.90/$1.90
   
WON of 9 Flemington 19Feb11 1000m Good4 VRC Lightning Stakes Group 1 $752,500 ($452,500) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 6 Rtg 118 
2nd Hay List 58.5kg, 3rd Warm Love 53.5kg 0:57.20 (600m 32.95), 3.25L, 3rd@800m, 1st@400m, $1.28/$1.28
WON of 11 Flemington 12Mar11 1200m Good3 VRC Newmarket Handicap Group 1 $1,005,000 ($605,000) Luke Nolen 58kg Barrier 7 Rtg 122 
2nd Crystal Lily 50kg, 3rd Beaded 52.5kg 1:07.36 (600m 32.69), 3L, 3rd@800m, 1st@400m, $1.18/$1.22/$1.18
WON  of 7 Moonee Valley 25Mar11 1200m Good3 MVRC William Reid Stakes Group 1 $510,000 ($310,000) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 6 Rtg 126 
2nd Crystal Lily 54kg, 3rd Hinchinbrook 56kg 1:10.00 (600m 34.47), 1.75L, 3rd@800m, 1st@400m, $1.08/$1.09
WON of 11 Randwick 09Apr11 1200m Good4 ATC TJ Smith Stakes Group 1 $1,003,300 ($603,300) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 5 Rtg 126 
2nd Hay List 58.5kg, 3rd Triple Honour (NZ) 58.5kg 1:08.71 (600m 34.77), 2.8L, 3rd@800m, 3rd@400m, $1.10/$1.14
WON of 8 Doomben 14May11 1200m Good4 BRC BTC Cup Group 1 $405,500 ($261,500) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 4 Rtg 127 
2nd Hay List 58.5kg, 3rd Buffering 57kg 1:08.85 (600m 32.87), 2L, 3rd@800m, 3rd@400m, $1.10/$1.14

2011-10  At FIVE YEARS    9 starts ; 9 wins
 
WON of 8 Caulfield 08Oct11 1000m Good4 MRC Schillaci Stakes  Group 2 $201,000 ($121,000) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 5 Rtg 128 
2nd Karuta Queen 51kg, 3rd Stirling Grove 58.5kg 0:56.73 (600m 33.46), 4.25L, 4th@800m, 2nd@400m, $1.06/$1.07
WON of 4 Moonee Valley 22Oct11 1200m Good4 MVRC AJ Moir Stakes  Group 2 $302,500 ($182,500) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 3 Rtg 128 
2nd Doubtful Jack 58.5kg, 3rd Here de Angels 58.5kg 1:10.13 (600m 33.73), 6L, 2nd@800m, 2nd@400m, $1.05/$1.05
WON of 7 Flemington 05Nov11 1200m Good3 VRC Sprint Classic Group 1 $1,002,500 ($1,202,500) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 4 Rtg 128 
2nd Buffering 58.5kg, 3rd Mid Summer Music 56.5kg 1:08.32 (600m 32.78), 2.75L, 2nd@800m, 1st@400m, $1.05/$1.05
WON of 6 Moonee Valley 27Jan12 1200m Good3 MVRC Australia Stakes  Group 2 $201,000 ($121,000) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 1 Rtg 130 
2nd Zedi Knight 58.5kg, 3rd Doubtful Jack 58.5kg 1:09.44 (600m 33.51), 4.25L, 3rd@800m, 3rd@400m, $1.03/$1.02
WON of 9 Caulfield 11Feb12 1400m Good4 MRC CF Orr Stakes Group 1 $402,000 ($242,000) Luke Nolen 57kg Barrier 5 Rtg 130 
2nd Southern Speed 57kg, 3rd Playing God 59kg 1:25.14 (600m 33.39), 3.25L, 4th@800m, 3rd@400m, $1.04/$1.06/$1.05
WON of 9 Flemington 18Feb12 1000m Good3 VRC Lightning Stakes Group 1 $752,500 ($452,500) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 5 Rtg 130 
2nd Hay List 58.5kg, 3rd Buffering 58.5kg 0:55.53 (600m 31.82), 1.75L, 2nd@800m, 1st@400m, $1.1/$1.10
WON of 10 Morphettville 28Apr12 1200m Good4 SAJC Robert Sangster Stakes Group 1 $400,400 ($255,000) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 3 Rtg 130 
2nd Sistine Angel 56.5kg, 3rd Power Princess 56.5kg 1:10.65 (600m 35.37), 4.6L, 3rd@800m, 2nd@400m, $1.05/$1.05
WON of 9 Morphettville 12May12 1200m Good3 SAJC The Goodwood  Group 1 $500,500 ($320,500) Luke Nolen 57kg Barrier 8 Rtg 130 
2nd We're Gonna Rock 56kg, 3rd Stirling Grove 54.5kg 1:10.32 (602m 34.06), 1.3L, 2nd@800m, 1st@400m, $1.05/$1.05
WON of 14 Ascot (GB) 23Jun12 1200m Good Diamond Jubilee Stakes  Group 1 $748,288 ($431,386) Luke Nolen 57.5kg Barrier 14 
2nd Moonlight Cloud (GB) 57.5kg, 3rd Restiadargent (FR) 54.5kg 1:14.10, 0.2L $1.16

At SIX YEARS   3 starts : 3 wins
 
WON of 8 Flemington 16Feb13 1000m Good3 VRC Lightning Stakes Group 1 $502,500 ($302,500) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 2 Rtg 130 
2nd Moment of Change 58.5kg, 3rd Golden Archer 58.5kg 0:55.42R (600m 31.36), 2.5L, 3rd@800m, 1st@400m, $1.07/$1.10/$1.10
WON of 7 Moonee Valley 22Mar13 1200m Good3 MVRC William Reid Stakes  Group 1 $404,000 ($244,000) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 6 Rtg 130 
2nd Karuta Queen 56.5kg, 3rd Fawkner 58.5kg 1:11.08 (600m 33.66), 4L, 1st@800m, 2nd@400m, $1.05/$1.03
WON of 11 Randwick 13Apr13 1200m Good4 ATC TJ Smith Stakes  Group 1 $1,005,000 ($605,000) Luke Nolen 56.5kg Barrier 1 Rtg 130 
2nd Epaulette 56.5kg, 3rd Bel Sprinter 58.5kg 1:09.65 (600m 36.09), 3L, 3rd@800m, 2nd@400m, $1.10/$1.16/$1.14

 



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« 2018-Aug-19, 09:59 PM Reply #1811 »
After Winx' 30th win, here's a list of Australasian horses from c.1860 with at least 20 wins and at least a couple of G1s or principal race victories.

Any additions or amendments appreciated.

Horse/Total wins/Wins in Australia

Gloaming (1915) 57 Aust 9
Grey Way (1970) 51 Aust 1
Phar Lap (1926) 37 Aust 36
Desert Gold (1912) 36 Aust 4
Ajax (1934) 36
Tulloch (1954) 36
Carbine (1885) 33 Aust 28
Amounis (1922) 33
Winx (2011) 33
High Caste (1936) 32½½½ Aust 29½½½
The Hawk (1918) 32 Aust 18
Lough Neagh (1928) 32
Redcraze (1950) 32 Aust 16
Sunline (1995) 32 Aust 21
Eurythmic (1916) 31
Beau Vite (1936) 31 Aust 18
Kingston Town (1976) 30
Show Gate (1969) 30 Aust - 
Paul Pry (1892) 29
Sky High (1957) 29
Gunsynd (1967) 29
Manikato (1975) 29
Rough Habit (1986) 29 Aust 15
Limerick (1923) 28½ Aust 21½
Aurie’s Star (1932) 28
Comic Court (1945) 28
Somerset Fair (1951) 28 Aust 5
Aquanita (1956) 28
Tobin Bronze (1962) 28 Aust 24
St Fairy (1940) 27½
Lord (1954) 27½
Warrior (1863) 27
Gladsome (1900) 27 Aust 16
Matrice (1951) 27
Samson (1957) 27
Wenona Girl (1957) 27
Winfreux (1961) 27
The Night Patrol (1918) 26 Aust 16
Bernborough (1939) 26
Hydrogen (1948) 26
Prince Cortauld (1950) 26 Aust 25
Tatua (1959) 26 Aust - ?
Vo Rogue (1983) 26
Lonhro (1998) 26
Wakeful (1896) 25
Highland (1921) 25
Silver Ring (1929) 25 Aust 6
Kindergarten (1937) 25 Aust –
San Domenico (1945) 25
Jan's Beau (1967) 25 Aust 4
Black Caviar (2006) 25
Bobrikoff (1904) 24 Aust 3
Trafalgar (1905) 24
Rapine (1919) 24 Aust 4
High Syce (1924) 24
Flight (1940) 24
Flying Halo (1947) 24
Rising Fast (1949) 24 Aust 17
La Mer (1973) 24 Aust 1
Chatham (1928) 23½
Nightmarch (1925) 23½ Aust 9
Tim Whiffler (1862) 23
Nelson (1880) 23 Aust 4
Cuddle (1929) 23 Aust 3
Tranquil Star (1937) 23
Sailor’s Guide(1952) 23 Aust 18
Tails (1965) 23
Battle Heights (1967) 23 Aust 7
Campaign King (1982) 23
Bomber Bill (1995) 23
Peter Pan (1929) 22½
Royal Chief (1934) 22½ Aust 4½
Russia (1940) 22½
Zambari (1967) 22½
Easingwold (1918) 22
Defaulter (1935) 22 Aust 5
Katanga (1936) 22
Delta (1946) 22
Cadiz (1956) 22 Aust 2
Rochdale (1956) 22 Aust 1
Balmerino (1972) 22 Aust 6
Sir Slick (2001) 22 Aust -
Rogilla (1927) 21½½½½½
Royal Gem (1942) 21½½
Sometime (1958) 21½
Abercorn (1884) 21
Lady Medallist (1906) 21 Aust 5
Heroic (1921) 21
Beaulivre (1936) 21 Aust 6
Sleepy Fox (1938) 21 Aust 2
All Shot (1968) 21
Vice Regal (1973) 21 Aust 4
(My) Axeman (1976) 21 Aust 3
Redelva (1983) 21
Durbridge (1987) 21
Tie the Knot (1994) 21
Takeover Target (1999) 21 Aust 18
More Joyous (2006) 21
Attley (1942) 20½
Regal Rhythm (1964) 20½
Family of Man (1973) 20½
Sasanof (1913) 20 Aust 5
David (1917) 20
Pamelus (1931) 20
Shannon (1940) 20 Aust 14
Beau Gem (1944) 20
Comedy Prince (1944) 20
Carioca (1947) 20
Craftsman (1960) 20
Time and Tide (1960) 20
Charlton Boy (1968) 20
Purple Patch (1970) 20
Good Lord (My Good Man) (1971) 20 Aust 3
March Legend (1972) 20 Aust 1
Hyperno (1973) 20
Super Impose (1984) 20
Chief de Beers (1991) 20
King Mufhasa (2004) 20 Aust 2
Buffering (2007) 20

Raced in NZ only

Tasman (1878) 31
Achilles (1899) 25
Battle Eve (1970) 25
Catering King (1982) 24
Tamatete (1918) 23½
Reremoana (1920) 23
Mainbrace (1947) 23
Shifnal Chief (1970) 22
Copper Belt (1973) 21
Cynisca (1886) 20
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« 2018-Aug-20, 12:13 PM Reply #1812 »
Nope.  All my guesses are already included.  I thought Dandy Kid might be the spoiler - but no, he 'only' won 19.

It is a very interesting list indeed.  Too often too much praise is heaped on the flash in the pans and not enough on those warriors that make winning a habit season after season. 


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« 2018-Aug-20, 01:10 PM Reply #1813 »
Nope.  All my guesses are already included.  I thought Dandy Kid might be the spoiler - but no, he 'only' won 19.

It is a very interesting list indeed.  Too often too much praise is heaped on the flash in the pans and not enough on those warriors that make winning a habit season after season.

What about Tiny's Finito ?

He never won a group 1 but he did win a lot of races including 7 listed races and a group 3.


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« 2018-Aug-20, 01:17 PM Reply #1814 »
It's nigh impossible to find race records for many top notch horses.. What about the very good sprinter At Sea. Reckon he won 20 races and some G1's

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« 2018-Aug-20, 04:29 PM Reply #1815 »
Wily, At Sea had 17 wins, including 7 G2s. That's according to an online Bloodstock catalogue. They'll often list total wins and group placings. It's hard to think of another horse with so many G2s and no G1s.

Tiny's Finito had 40 wins from 83 starts. His record is at http://www.racingnsw.com.au/  That's a pretty impressive winning percentage no matter what class. He went round over 8 seasons.

You're right, Tonto, there are some great old names which came back season after season but there but so few from this century.  Lonhro might end up being the last high quality stallion to get 20 wins. 

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« 2018-Aug-21, 02:12 PM Reply #1816 »
Authorized, here's Tiny's Finito from the Queensland history of racing website

http://www.queenslandhistoryofracing.com.au/horses/explore/

Tiny’s Finito
The Basics
Record:   40 wins
Si   Blue's Finito
Dam:   Tiny's Court


Blue's Finito-Tiny's Court

Trainer W. Doolan

40 wins

Raced 1980-90s

Although trained in NSW he was amazingly popular in Queensland during the 1980-90s where he won most of his races. Like his sire the Doomben 10,000 winner Blue’s Finito, Tiny’s Finito had a staggering winning strike rate of just under 50 per cent. He won 13 races in the one season as a four-year-old. On six occasions he broke records in his races including running an Australian record for 1400m when he won the 1991 Goldmarket at the Gold Coast. His other big wins included BTC Sprint (twice), Grafton Ramornie, Doomben Stakes, QTC Bribie Handicap, Toowoomba Weetwood, the Tattersall’s Healy Stakes, the Nudgee College Cup, and QTC Members Cup, the Moree Cup (twice), the QTC Country Cup (twice), Ballina Newmarket and Armidale Cup

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« 2018-Aug-21, 06:01 PM Reply #1817 »
Authorized, here's Tiny's Finito from the Queensland history of racing website

http://www.queenslandhistoryofracing.com.au/horses/explore/

Tiny’s Finito
The Basics
Record:   40 wins
Si   Blue's Finito
Dam:   Tiny's Court


Blue's Finito-Tiny's Court

Trainer W. Doolan

40 wins

Raced 1980-90s

Although trained in NSW he was amazingly popular in Queensland during the 1980-90s where he won most of his races. Like his sire the Doomben 10,000 winner Blue’s Finito, Tiny’s Finito had a staggering winning strike rate of just under 50 per cent. He won 13 races in the one season as a four-year-old. On six occasions he broke records in his races including running an Australian record for 1400m when he won the 1991 Goldmarket at the Gold Coast. His other big wins included BTC Sprint (twice), Grafton Ramornie, Doomben Stakes, QTC Bribie Handicap, Toowoomba Weetwood, the Tattersall’s Healy Stakes, the Nudgee College Cup, and QTC Members Cup, the Moree Cup (twice), the QTC Country Cup (twice), Ballina Newmarket and Armidale Cup

Thanks. He was my 4th great love.


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« 2018-Aug-21, 07:22 PM Reply #1818 »
Thanks, pwa re At Sea
Thought he might have got the 20 wins but he was a ripper

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« 2018-Aug-21, 08:19 PM Reply #1819 »
Here is the form snippet for Saturday 28th August 1976 for Doomben. At this stage, Blue's Finito is about to have his seventeenth start in the Airport Flying, he had never missed a place. Unfortunately they did not publish the number of starts, wins, 2nds, etc. in the form guide in those days.



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« 2018-Sep-16, 02:18 PM Reply #1820 »
I have updated Winx record and also added a career win comparison and international earnings comparison.

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« 2018-Oct-06, 01:23 AM Reply #1821 »
Found an article from Sept 1968 (50 years ago!!) describing Tobin Bronze's (not so successful) US campaign.

Prizemoney might be of interest:




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« 2018-Oct-06, 03:18 AM Reply #1822 »
PP7

The United Nations Hcp was Tobin Bronze third start back with Heagney after C Whittingham had been given the flick.  I am uncertain of the details of the 2 previous.  I assume he won his previous start at Atlantic City and I have no idea where he ran the start before that but it could have been Atlantic City.  The Canberra Times of 13 Sept (p18) also covered this race.

Dr Fager won horse of the year in 1968 (18 career wins from 22 starts) and Fort Marcy (21 career wins from 75 starts was co-horse of the year two years later (also 2 x DC International wins) so it was always going to be tough for Tobin Bronze.  When I was in LA in the early 1990s I noticed that in the LA Times form guide his name cropped up as the sire of dams of several horses running which I thought surprising given that his stud career started in 1969 and he did not win a big name race in the US. 


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« 2018-Oct-06, 06:12 AM Reply #1823 »
Dr Fager dominated the race that Tobin Bronze took part in, but my memory seems to recall that TB got


his spot (3rd) due to a protest. I could be wrong.  I do recall he was fairly well beaten. 


This means nothing to me knowing the drug history of U.S horseracing so who really knows?


Fager always looked like a drug horse to me. 



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« 2018-Oct-13, 08:08 PM Reply #1824 »
Redzel (AUS) 2012                                    
Bay  gelding                                    
Snitzel (AUS) 2002 (Redoute's Choice (AUS) 1996) - Millrich (AUS) 1992 (Rubiton (AUS) 1983)                                        
Countries Raced: AUS                                    
28 starts, 14 wins (2 x Group 1), 6 seconds and 1 third.  Win % 50.0, Place % 75.0. (as at 13 October 2018)                                    
                                    
Australian earnings in AUD            AUD 15,372,000                        
Worldwide earnings in US dollars based on RBA Daily Indicative Rates            USD 11,516,027.42                        
Worldwide earnings in British Pounds based on RBA Daily Indicative Rates            GBP 8,682,351.48                        
                                    
Australiasia's second highest prizemoney earner behind Winx                                    
                                    
RACING RECORD                                    
Earnings in AUD including value of trophy appear at the end of each race record                                    
                                    
TWO YEARS:  2014-2015  Starts 2: 1-0-1-0                                    
                                    
1st-11   19/03/2015.   3L x 1.5L    Warwick Farm, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Tab.com.au Hcp   1100m.   57.5kg   1:03.40.   Good4, $4.60   Japonisme 58 $4.60 2nd   3rd Axion 57.5 $5.50 3rd   AUD 33,025   inc BOBS Bonus $10,000
3rd-8   6/04/2015.   0.5L x 0.8L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Widden Kindergarten Stakes   1100m.   56.5kg   1:04.88.   Heavy9, $3.50   Furnaces 56.5 $2.80F 1st    Regatta Rebel 54.5 $16 2nd   AUD 20,000   
                                    
THREE YEARS:  2015-2016  Starts 8: 2-2-0-4                                    
                                    
5th-8   15/08/2015.   0.5L x 1L   Rosehill, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Smithfield RSL Club San DOMENICO Stakes   1100m.   56kg   1:02.75.   Good3, $6   Japonisme 56 $4.40 1st    King's Troop 56 $6.50 2nd   AUD 2,500   
5th-5   29/08/2015.   1.25L x 0.5L   Rosehill, Sydney, NSW, AUS   MTA NSW Run to the Rose   1200m.   56kg   1:10.62.   Soft5, $7    Exosphere 59 $5.50 1st    2nd Press Statement 60 $5.00   AUD 3,500   
5th-8   19/09/2015.   1.5L x 1.25L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Schweppes Heritage Stakes   1100m.   56kg   1:04.99.   Heavy8, $3.10EF   Counterattack 56 $5.00 1st    Haptic 58 $3.10EF 2nd    AUD 2,000   
                                    
2nd-11   10/02/2016.   0.5L x 0.4L   Warwick Farm, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Hyland Race Colours Hcp   1000m.   57.5kg   0:56.58.   Good3, $2.50F.   Floral Insight 56 $61 1st    I'm Usain 55 $17  3rd    AUD 7,925   
2nd-7   20/02/2016.   0.3L x 1.3L   Rosehill, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Spark of Life Hcp     1100m.   60kg   1:03.53.   Good3, $4.40   Strindberg 55.5 $14 1st    Yattarna 54 $14  3rd    AUD 16,750   
1st-12   5/03/2016.   0.3L x 3.3L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Fireball Stakes   1100m.   56kg   1:02.59.   Good3, $7.50   Takedown 59 $18 2nd    Egyptian Symbol 54 $4.20F 3rd    AUD 75,000   
5th-12   24/03/2016.   1.3L x 2.3L   Gosford, NSW, AUS   PLUIM Gosford Guineas   1200m.   57kg   1:10.38.   Good4, $3.60F.   Lady Sniper 54 $17 1st    Kimberley Star 54 $5.00 2nd   AUD 3,000   
1st-10   23/07/2016.   0.8L x 4.3L   Canterbury, Sydney, NSW, AUS   July Sprint   1100m.   55.5kg   1:07.48.   Heavy8, $3.00F.   Wouldnt It Be Nice 58.5 $13 2nd     3rd Forget 60.5 $17   AUD 68,750   inc BOBS Bonus $20,000
                                    
FOUR YEARS:  2016-2017  Starts 7: 4-2-0-1                                    
                                    
1st-12   27/08/2016.   0.4L x 0.75L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   The Resimax Stakes   1100m.   57kg   1:04.54.   Good3, $5.50   Under the Louvre 59 $3.70F 2nd    Santa Ana Lane 57.5 $11  3rd    AUD 90,750   inc $750 trophy
8th-9   30/09/2016.   1.25L x 0.1L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Charter Keck Cramer MOIR Stakes   1000m.   58.5kg   0:58.74.   Good4, $31   Extreme Choice 52 $5.00 1st     2nd Heatherly 56.5 $16   AUD 10,000   
1st-10   3/11/2016.   0.1L x 2L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   G H Mumm Stakes   1000m.   59kg   0:56.72.   Good3, $5.50   Terravista 60.5 $3.70 2nd    Hellbent 58 $2.60F 3rd    AUD 91,500   inc $1,500 trophy
                                    
2nd-9   4/03/2017.   0.1L x 1.5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Hyland Race Colours CHALLENGE Stakes   1000m.   58.5kg   0:59.99.   Heavy10, $6    English 56.5 $4.20F 1st   Supido 58.5 $6.00  3rd    AUD 95,000   
2nd-14   18/03/2017.   0.2L x 0.2L   Rosehill, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Nathan's Famous Hotdogs Galaxy   1100m.   54.5kg   1:07.60.   Heavy10, $9   Russian Revolution 51 $2.90F 1st     Jungle Edge 51 $51 3rd   AUD 133,000   
1st-9   15/04/2017.   0.8L x 0.5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   TAB Hall Mark Stakes   1200m.   58kg   1:13.73.   Heavy8, $2.80F.   Counterattack 58 $7.00 2nd    Hellbent 56 $3.90  3rd    AUD 85,750   inc $1,000 trophy
1st-13   13/05/2017.   0.5L x 0.3L    Doomben, Brisbane, QLD, AUS   James Boag's Premium Doomben 10,000 (G1)   1200m.   58.5kg   1:10.54.   Soft7, $9   Counterattack 58.5 $10 2nd    Derryn 57 $9.50 3rd    AUD 456,000   inc $8,000 trophy
                                    
FIVE YEARS: 2017-2018   Starts 8: 5-2-0-1                                    
                                    
1st-4   2/09/2017.   2L x 1L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Concorde Stakes   1000m.   60kg   0:56.23.   Good3, $2.35F.   Spieth (NZ) 57 $2.70 2nd    Nieta 54 $5.00  3rd    AUD 85,000   inc $1,000 trophy
1st-9   16/09/2017.   1.3L x 0.2L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Bowermans Office Furniture Shorts   1100m.   58kg   1:01.83 (CR)   Good3, $2.50F   Ball of Muscle 55 $10 2nd    Nieta 53 $21  3rd    AUD 115,800   inc $2,000 trophy
1st-12   14/10/2017.   0.8L x 0.2L    Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   The TAB Everest   1200m.   58.5kg   1:08.36.   Good3, $8.50   Vega Magic 58.5 $4.80F 2nd    Brave Smash (JPN) 58.5 $19  3rd    AUD 5,800,000   inc $350,000 trophy
1st-13   11/11/2017.   0.75L x 0.75L    Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Darley Classic (G1)   1200m.   58.5kg   1.08.74.   Good3, $4.00.   Terravista 58.5 $31 2nd   Impending 58.5 $9.50 3rd   AUD 602,500   inc $2,500 trophy
                                    
2nd-10   17/02/2018.   0.1L x 1.25L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Black Caviar Lightning   1000m.   58.5kg   0.56.33.    Good3, $1.80F   Redkirk Warrior (GB) 58.5 $10 1st    Missrock 56.5 $21 3rd    AUD 135,000   
1st-8   10/03/2018.   1.75L x 1L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Hyland Race Colours Challenge Stakes   1000m.   58.5kg   0.55.73. (CR)    Good4, $1.40F   Jungle Edge 58.5 $81 2nd    Super Too 56.5 $15 3rd    AUD 289,000    inc $2,000 trophy
2nd-11   7/04/2018.   2L x 2L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Darley T J Smith Stakes   1200m.   58.5kg   1.08.29.   Good4, $2.30F.   Trapeze Artist 56.5 $8.00 1st   In Her Time 56.5 $4.40 3rd   AUD 470,000   
4th-12   12/05/2018.   0.2L x 0.4L x 0.6L   Doomben, Brisbane, QLD, AUS   Kirin Doomben 10,000   1200m.   58.5kg   1.09.58.   Soft5, $2.50F.   English 56.5 $11 1st    Impending 58.5 $12 2nd    AUD 35,000   
                                    
SIX YEARS: 2018-2019   Starts 3: 2-0-0-1 as at 13 October 2018                                    
                                    
1st-9   1/09/2018.   1L x 1.2L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Concorde Stakes   1000m.   60.5kg   0.56.19.   Good4, $2.30F.   Kaepernick 58 $21 2nd     Invincible Star 56.5 $2.35 3rd    AUD 84,000    inc $1,000 trophy
5th-8   29/09/2018.   0.2L x 0.3L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Santos Coffee Premiere Stakes   1200m.   58.5kg   1.07.45 (CR)   Good3, $3.60F.   Santa Ana Lane 58.5 $10 1st     Shoals 56.5 $8.50 2nd    AUD 12,250   
1st-12   13/10/2018.   1.25L x 1.5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   The TAB Everest   1200m.   58.5kg   1.12.03.   Heavy 9, $8.50.   Trapeze Artist 58.5 $10 2nd   Osborne Bulls 58.5 $ 21 3rd   AUD 6,549,000   inc $549,000 trophy
                                    


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