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« 2018-Dec-28, 08:17 AM Reply #1850 »
Here are the details, Klondike.

22/10/1991 - Kyneton Ferocious 3YO Maiden Plate 1100m, 13 starters, 1st Schillaci (55), 2nd Mavournae (53.5), 3rd Colonial Melbourne (55), 2 lengths, 2.5 lengths, 1min 4sec, track good.

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« 2018-Dec-28, 09:27 AM Reply #1851 »
Schillaci's record has been updated.

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« 2019-Jan-03, 11:53 AM Reply #1852 »
There is another superb chapter in the story of the AJC Derby at Kings of the Turf, this time the 1973 running won by Imagele.

https://kingsoftheturf.com/jock-graham-and-imagele/

The author says it is the most exciting Derby he has seen.  He traces the careers of the great 3yo contingent from that year - Tontonan, Grand Cidium, Taj Rossi, Leica Lover and others. Think Big and Leilani also get a mention.

He is justifiably harsh on Tommy Smith for campaigning Imagele in Perth in the summer of 73-74.

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« 2019-Jan-03, 04:21 PM Reply #1853 »
pwa

Great story.  I was a youngster at the time and I remember going to the TAB to have couple of dollars on Grand Cidium to win the Caulfield Cup then going home to regret it as it continued to rain as I never liked betting on wet tracks.    Recently while searching for European champions from the 1970s the London Times noted that American's bought horses to race and I infer the rich American's sent to Europe those horses they didn't think would stand the hard racing required to be successful in the USA.  I ddn't think Tommy Smith wanted any softies in his stable either.  The corollary of that is that rich European owners (there doesn't seem to be any other sort) only race for the breeding barn.   Of course there was less of a financial incentive to race on as a 4YO in Europe (the King George and Arc being the exceptions) whereas in the USA 4YO's had to compete in big money handicaps with very few run at SW (split between grass and dirt).  Now they have more big money SW races in USA and around the world but seem to race less.  I imagine that if the best 4YO+ US horses that raced before the introduction of Breeder's cup raced today their records might be more impressive as they would not need to beat the handicapper.
     

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« 2019-Jan-03, 07:04 PM Reply #1854 »
Tim, Grand Cidium and Sobar were the "might-have-beens" of the early 70s for me. Grand Cidium really could have been anything; he showed so much promise in the spring of 1973.

That's a good point about American racing.  Different perspectives, different continents but it's a pity the breeding barn is so universally dominant now. Lonhro and So You Think were the last champion stallions here to have lengthy careers.

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« 2019-Jan-04, 08:05 AM Reply #1855 »
The horse that always seems to be left out of discussions of that season is Asgard. 

He raced in Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney, Perth and Brisbane and had 26 starts as a 3YO winning ten races including the Australasian Champion Stakes, the WATC Derby (defeating Leica Lover and Imagele), the STC Tulloch Stakes (defeatimg Dalrello) and the QTC Grand Prix.

And he was an entire.   Times change.

In 36 subsequent starts he won only 2 other races, both modest races at Morphettville.   He produced no off spring.

Others of that 1970 crop included Authentic Heir, Dalrello, Bush Win, Purple Patch, Reckless, Think Big, Leilani, Zephyr Bay. 

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« 2019-Jan-04, 08:22 AM Reply #1856 »
It was a great year, Tonto. Fury's Order, Grey Way and Oopik were NZers from the same crop.

Asgard was the very definition of an iron horse. I had him in an old record as 14 wins; he had 2 as a 2yo. Purple Patch and Dalrello were also entires who raced on for 20 and 18 wins respectively. I know it was half a century ago and times change, but it would be good to see some of our 2 and 3yo champion stallions have more than their standard dozen or so starts.

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« 2019-Jan-04, 01:23 PM Reply #1857 »
I wonder if the modern thoroughbred is simply too fragile to stand the campaigns of horses of the past, and whether they have been made fragile by breeders shuttling northern stallions in preference to home grown stallions.  I have zero evidence to support my argument but when you ask the question what happened to the thoroughbred in the past 50 years that it has gone from iron horse to fragility stallion shuttling is one of things that suggests itself - together with the dominance of Northern Dancer blood.  Again, I have no evidence to support the claim other than the co-incidence.

Other co-incidences are the enforcement of policies relating to hormones, steroids and drugs, and in the last 25 years, track watering policy.  A lot of other stuff has changed but not much that could be directly related to the durability of the horse.  We have probably got better at patching horses up for racing careers that would have otherwise been looked over and rejected in the past in the days of bigger foal crops when the plethora of well staked 0-58 races simply wasn't on the cards.  (not just 0-58's but all restricted grade racing has made racing some horses more economic than it was when such races were only worth beer money).   

I must admit I do not find the modern racing era at all attractive and only linger out of habit.  The 1970's was the era that converted me.  The 2010's is the era that has lost me.

There was defacto grand circuit in the 1970's that started in Sydney then went to Melbourne, Perth, Melbourne again, Sydney again, Adelaide and Brisbane.  The calendar was marked out by feature doubles at each of the grand circuit carnivals, usually held on public holiday weekends that focused punters attentions nationally.  The best horses chased the prize money and the disparity between the carnivals feature prizemoney was not as great as the disparity between the grand circuit races and mundane events.   There was none of this pattern system tosh.  It was money and tradition that determined status and they went hand in hand.  The best raced the best repeatedly throughout the season for the best money and the grand circuit tourists were challenged by the local heroes.  The handicaps helped promote the local horse who raced into contention to do battle with the interstate stars. 

Yet the racing was moderated.  There was no need for 24/7, no need to bet every day of the year or every day of the week.  Even a mid week meeting down the line could be something to look forward too and country clubs were permitted to have their open handicaps and welters.  They weren't forced to run programs of maidens and BM58's. 

The good old days.

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« 2019-Jan-06, 10:01 PM Reply #1858 »
And in the 1970's trainers sometimes sent good horses to the Victorian country to run in open races in Saturday meetings.  I remember looking in the paper at a country Saturday meeting thinking that an open city class horse in each leg of the daily double was a certainty so I jogged down to the local TAB to have a 50 cent daily double.  Can't remember who, where or when butIi seem to recall the double dividend was less than a dollar.  Pattern racing has destroyed that.

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« 2019-Jan-20, 06:40 AM Reply #1859 »
Thanks for the Imagele story pwa54.  That was my era.  Was at the track when Dayana won the Perth Cup.


Even to this day I remember Always Morning was second, and Piping Lane third. 


My dad was a big Dayana fan.


But that next years crop was a beauty. 

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« 2019-Jan-20, 10:10 AM Reply #1860 »
It is a great site, Firezuki. The author, Ian Ibbett, is only going up to 1977 but the stories so far from the mid-60s to 1974 have brought back great memories for me.

You're right that the 1970 crop was much better although Sobar, Dayana, Analie and Century were a pretty impressive top 4 from 1969. Starglow wasn't a bad WA mare from that year as well.

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« 2019-Jan-21, 03:11 PM Reply #1861 »

Kennaquhair (1914) by Kenilworth from Calluna

He was regarded as an iron horse in an era when there were plenty of iron horses. He wasn’t a champion, but his record would have been much better if he hadn’t been runner-up to Hall of Famer, Poitrel, on 6 occasions. His Sydney Cup win in an Australasian record time under 9st 5lb (59.5kgs) was very impressive. He carried 9 stone (57 kgs) or more in each of his last 44 starts but, like some of his contemporaries, he was over-raced and his career at stud was ordinary. Like many of the Kenilworth progeny, he took a long time to mature but when he did, he was very competitive in an era of champions, racing against giants like Gloaming, Desert Gold, Eurythmic, Artilleryman and David, as well as Poitrel.

72 10½/9/9

2yo (1916-17)
9 -/-/1


Unpl – 8/12/16 Rosehill Nursery Hcp 4¾f, 7st 12lb, 1st Bratiano (8st) 59½sec, neck
Unpl – 26/1/17 Randwick Phillip Stakes 5f, 8st 7lb, 1st Desert Malt (9st 2lb), 1min 1¼sec, 1¼ lengths
Unpl – 17/2/17 Rosehill Nursery Hcp 4¾f, 7st 5lb, 1st Miss Powhatan (7st 12lb), 59sec, ½ neck
Unpl – 19/5/17 Randwick 2YO Hcp 6f, 1st Mountain Lassie (7st 8lb), 1min 13sec, length
3rd – 2/6/17 Randwick First Nursery Hcp 6f, 6st 12lb, Lord Windemere (7st 10lb), 1min 14¼sec, 2 lengths
Unpl – 4/6/17 Randwick Second Nursery Hcp 1 mile, 7st 3lb, 1st West Molong (6st 12lb), 1min 41¾sec, ¾ length
Unpl – 21/7/17 Rosehill Nursery Hcp 6f, 7st 1lb, 1st Amber Rose (9st), 1min 17sec, head
And 2 other unplaced runs

3yo (1917-18)
13 5/1/-


Unpl – 8/9/17 Randwick Tramway Stakes 7f, 1st Ardrossen, 1min 28sec, 4 lengths
Unpl – 15/9/17 Rosehill Hcp 10f, 8st 5lb, 1st The Fortune Hunter (6st 7lb), 2min 6½sec, length
1st – 8/12/17 Rosehill Second Division Maiden Hcp 7f, 7st 10lb, 2nd Franzec (8st 12lb), 1min 27sec, ½ head
1st – 2/1/18 Menangle Park Summer Hcp 1 mile, 7st, 2nd Hecate (7st 11lb), 1min 43sec, length

2nd – 5/1/18 Warwick Farm Warwick Hcp 10f + 100 yards, 7st 7lb + 10lb penalty, 1st Kenilera (9st), 2min 16½sec, head
1st – 19/1/18 Randwick AJC January Hcp 10f, 8st 2lb, 2nd Norbury (8st 6lb), 2min 5¾sec, ½ length
1st – 26/1/18 Randwick AJC Anniversary Hcp 12f, 7st 12lb, 2nd Mehi King (8st 2lb), 2min 33¾sec, ¾ length

Unpl – 9/3/18 Rosehill Club Handicap 11f, 8st 10lb, 1st Dynasty (7st 9lb), 2min 22sec, 2 lengths
1st – 23/3/18 Hawkesbury Autumn Hcp 11f, 8st 5lb, 2nd Persian Dream (7st 2lb), 2min 23sec, ¾ length
Unpl – 30/3/18 Randwick Autumn Stakes, 8st 2lb, 1st Desert Gold (9st), 2nd Thana (8st 11lb), 2min 33sec, 4 lengths
Unpl – 1/4/18 Randwick Sydney Cup 2 miles, 8st 2lb, 1st Rebus (7st 12lb), 2nd Shadowland (7st 13lb), 3rd Lanius (9st 1lb), 3min 26½sec, ¾ length, ¾ length
Unpl – 3/4/18 Randwick Cumberland Stakes 2 miles, 8st 2lb, 1st Lanius (9st 4lb), 2nd Westcourt (9st 2lb), 3rd Wallace Isinglass (9st 4lb), 3min 40¼sec, length
And 1 other unplaced run

4yo (1918-19)
20 3/6/3


2nd – 17/8/18 Warwick Farm Handicap 10f + 100 yards, 9st, 1st Mount Alf (8st 9lb), 2min 15sec, 3 lengths, 3 lengths
1st – 24/8/18 Rosehill Handicap 10f, 9st, 2nd Publican (7st 12lb), 2min 7sec, 4 lengths
3rd – 14/9/18 Randwick Chelmsford Stakes 9f, 9st, 1st Gloaming (6st 10lb), 2nd Rebus (9st 4lb), (Unpl Poitrel 9st), 1min 52sec, 8 lengths, 1½ lengths
Unpl – 21/9/18 Rosehill Handicap 10f, 9st 7lb, 1st Kilmoon (6st 12lb), 2nd Thana (9st), 2min 8¼sec, short head
3rd – 5/10/18 Randwick Spring Stakes 10f, 9st, 1st Poitrel (9st), 2nd Desert Gold (9st 1lb), 2min 31sec, head, 2 lengths
1st – 7/10/18 Randwick Metropolitan Handicap 12f, 8st 4lb, 2nd Arch Marella (8st), 3rd Lingle (9st), (Unpl Poitrel 8st 9lb). 2min 31½sec, 3 lengths, 3 lengths
Unpl – 2/11/18 Flemington Hotham Handicap 12f, 9st 5lb, 1st Court Jester (7st 10lb), 2nd Nightwatch , 2min 34 ½ sec, ½ length, neck
2nd – 5/11/18 Flemington Melbourne Cup 2 miles, 9st, 1st Nightwatch (6st 7lb), 3rd Gadabout (8st 7lb), 3min 25¾sec, ½ length, neck
1st – 9/11/18 Flemington CB Fisher Plate 12f, 9st, 2nd Magpie (9st 1lb), 3rd Wolaroi (9st 4lb), 2min 32½sec, neck, head
4th – 11/11/18 Williamstown Cup 11f, 9st 8lb, 1st Sea-bound (6st 7lb), 2nd Red Signal (8st), 3rd Cetigne (9st 6lb), 2min 19sec, neck, head
Unpl – 18/1/19 Rosehill Flying Handicap 6f, 9st 8lb, 1st Bimeter (8st 5lb), 2nd Sydney Damsel (8st 7lb), 1min 13sec, head
Unpl – 25/1/19 Randwick Challenge Stakes 6f, 9st 10lb, 1st Sydney Damsel (8st 2lb), 2nd Shell Shock (6st 12lb), 3rd Bimeter (8st 2lb), 1min 12sec, 4 lengths, length
3rd – 22/3/19 Warwick Farm Warwick Handicap 10f + 100 yards, 9st 11lb, 1st Booster (7st 9lb), 2nd Lambourne (7st 12lb), 2min 16sec, ¾ length, ½ head
4th – 29/3/19 Rosehill Hcp 11f, 9st 13lb, 1st West Molong (6st 7lb) 2nd Greg (7st 9lb), 3rd Finmark (8st 10lb), (Poitrel (9st 6lb) unpl), 2min 20sec, length, ½ length
Unpl – 5/4/19 Rosehill Club Hcp 10f, 9st 9lb, 1st Golden Bronze (7st 1lb), 2nd West Molong (7st 3lb), (Poitrel 9st 4lb unpl) 2min 6¾sec, neck, neck
2nd – 17/5/19 Randwick Autumn Stakes 12f, 9st, 1st Poitrel (9st), 2min 42sec, 4 lengths, length
Unpl – 19/5/19 Randwick Sydney Cup 2 miles, 9st 8lb, 1st Ian Or (6st 10lb), 2nd Night Watch (8st 2lb), (Unpl Poitrel 9st 6lb), 3min 31½sec, 3 lengths, 1¼ lengths
2nd – 22/5/19 Randwick Cumberland Stakes 2 miles, 9st, 1st Poitrel (9st), 3rd Thana (9st 1lb), 3min 34sec, 4 lengths, 7 lengths
2nd – 24/5/19 Randwick AJC Plate 3 miles, 9st, 1st Poitrel (9st), 3rd Snub (9st 1lb), 5min 33sec, 3 lengths, 4 lengths
2nd – 4/6/19 Newcastle Cup 11f, 9st 13lb, 1st Mount Alf (8st 6lb), 2min 22sec, head, length

5yo (1919-20)
12 2/1/3


Unpl – 13/9/19 Randwick Chelmsford Stakes 9f, 9st 11lb, 1st Richmond Main (6st 13lb), 2nd Elfacre (7st 3lb), 3rd Cetigne (9st 11lb), 1min 52¼sec, ¾ length, length
4th – 4/10/19 Randwick Spring Stakes 12f, 9st 5lb, 1st Poitrel (9st 5lb), 2nd Gloaming (8st 11lb), 3rd Cetigne (9st 6lb), 2min 32½sec, short head, 3 lengths
Unpl – 6/10/19 Randwick Metropolitan Handicap 12f, 9st 9lb, 1st Rebus (9st 10lb), 2nd Kenilford (6st 4lb), 2min 32¾sec, long head, 2 lengths
2nd – 11/10/19 Randwick Plate 2m, 9st 6lb, 1st Poitrel (9st 6lb), 3rd Sasanof (9st 4lb) 3min 29½sec, 1½ lengths, 5 lengths
10th – 4/11/20 Flemington Melbourne Cup 2 miles, 9st 5lb, 1st Artilleryman (7st 6lb), 2nd Richmond Main (7st 6lb), 3rd Two Blues (6st 12lb), 3min 24½sec, 6 lengths, ½ length
Unpl – 13/3/20 Rosehill Club Handicap 10f, 9st 6lb, 1st Ian Or (7st 10lb), (Unpl Poitrel (9st 12lb)), 2min 7sec, neck, head
Unpl – 20/3/20 Rosehill Handicap 11f, 9st 6lb, 1st Poitrel (9st 12lb), 2nd Bunting (8st 11lb), 2min 20¼sec, head, neck
3rd - 3/4/20 Randwick Autumn Stakes 12f, 9st 3lb, 1st Poitrel (9st 3lb), 2nd King of the Sea (8st 11lb), 2min 32¼sec, length, head
1st – 5/4/20 Randwick Sydney Cup 2 miles, 9st 5lb, 2nd Poitrel (9st 9lb), 3rd Millieme (8st 2lb), 3min 22¾sec (Australasian record), neck, 2 lengths
3rd – 7/4/20 Randwick Cumberland Stakes 2 miles, 9st 4lb, 1st Poitrel (9st 4lb), 2nd Millieme (7st 13lb), 3min 33sec, 1½ lengths, 3 lengths
2nd – 10/4/20 Randwick AJC Plate 3 miles, 9st 5lb, 1st Poitrel (9st 5lb), 3rd Millieme (7st 11lb), 6min 32½sec, 2 lengths, furlong and a half!
1st – 17/4/20 Randwick City Tatt’s Club Cup 11f, 10st 2lb, 2nd Sandbee (7st), 2min 23¼ sec, head

6yo (1920-21)
13 ½/1/2


Unpl – 11/9/20 City Tatt’s Spring Handicap 10f, 10st, 1st White Phast (7st 8lb), 2nd Booster (8st 2lb), 2min 6 sec, 2 lengths
3rd – 18/9/20 Rosehill Handicap 12f, 10st, 1st Finmark (8st 10lb), 2nd Pershore (7st 8lb), 2min 34½sec, neck, head
=1st – 2/10/20 Randwick Spring Stakes 12f, 9st 6lb, =1st Poitrel (9st), 3rd Pershore (9st), 2min 33sec, 3 lengths
Unpl – 4/10/20 Randwick Metropolitan Handicap 13f, 10st, 1st Pershore (7st 8lb), 2nd Ecarte (6st 10lb), 3rd Syce Knight (6st 12lb), 2min 44½sec, 1½ lengths, neck
2nd – 9/10/20 Randwick Plate 2miles, 9st 7lb, 1st Poitrel (9st 7lb), 3rd Pershore (9st), 3min 24½ sec, 1½ lengths, 1½ lengths
Unpl – 31/10/20 Flemington Melbourne Stakes 10f, 9st 4lb, 1st Eurythmic (9st), 2nd Greenstead (9st 4lb), 3rd Poitrel (9st), 2min 6½sec, ¾ length, 2 lengths
5th – 2/11/20 Flemington Melbourne Cup 2 miles, 9st 8lb, 1st Poitrel (10st), 2nd Erasmus (7st), 3rd Queen Comedy (7st), 3min 25¾sec, ½ length, 2 lengths
Unpl – 6/11/20 Flemington VRC Hcp 14f, 9st 12lb, 1st Clever Jim (7st), 2nd Ethiopian (8st 10lb), , 3min 10¾sec, ¾ length, ½ length
Unpl – 12/3/21 Rosehill Handicap 12f, 10st, 1st Arch Marella (8st 10lb), 2nd Rosewalk (7st 12lb), 3rd David (8st 4lb), 2min 33¾sec, 6 lengths
Unpl – 19/3/21 Hawkesbury Autumn Handicap 11f, 10st, 1st Glenluce (7st 11lb), 2min 21 ½ sec, head
Unpl – 28/3/21 Randwick Sydney Cup 2 miles, 9st 12lb, 1st Eurythmic (9st 8lb), 2nd Arch Marella (8st 9lb), 3min 24¾sec, ½ length, 2 lengths
Unpl – 26/3/21 Randwick Autumn Stakes 12f, 9st 3lb, 1st Eurythmic (9st), 2nd Fluency (8st 11lb), 3rd Richmond Main (9st), 2min 35¾sec, 3 lengths, 2 lengths
3rd – 2/4/21 Randwick AJC Plate 3 miles, 9st 5lb, 1st David (7st), 2nd Salitros (8st), 5min 52½sec, 5 lengths, 20 lengths

7yo (1921-22)
5 -/-/-

Unpl – 10/9/21 Randwick Chelmsford Stakes 9f, (9st 11lb), 1st Syce Knight (9st 11lb), 2nd Elfaore (9st), 3rd David (9st 7lb), 1min 52sec, ½ length, length
Unpl – 17/9/21 Rosehill Handicap 12f, 9st 12lb, 1st Syce Knight (9st 2lb), 2nd Tikaroo(7st 3lb), 2min 34½sec, ¾ length, 2 lengths
Unpl – 1/10/21 Randwick Spring Stakes 12f, 9st 6lb, 1st David (9st), 2nd Swift Shot (9st 2lb), 3rd Syce Knight (9st), 2min 22½sec, neck, ½ neck
Unpl – 29/10/21 Flemington Hotham Handicap 12f, 9st 8lb, 1st Wirraway (8st 10lb), 2min 35sec, ½ length, neck
Unpl – 1/11/21 Flemington Melbourne Cup 2 miles, 9st 5lb, 1st Sister Olive (6st 9lb), 2nd The Rover (8st 4lb), 3rd Amazonia (7st 9lb), 3min 27¾sec, ¾ length, head
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« 2019-Feb-17, 03:16 AM Reply #1862 »
Ooops - deleted winx update which went to new post ????
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« 2019-Feb-28, 02:40 PM Reply #1863 »
There's another great instalment in the Kings of the Turf series, this time 1940 and the life-story of John Wren. Tranquil Star also features as does the very impressive Lucrative.

https://kingsoftheturf.com/1940-power-with-glory-john-wren-and-pandect/


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« 2019-Apr-24, 06:39 AM Reply #1864 »

BLACK HEART BART (AUS) 2010                                    
Bay gelding                                    
Blackfriars (AUS) 1996 (Danehill (USA) 1986) - Sister Theresa (AUS) 1994 (At Talaq (USA) 1981)                                    
Countries Raced: AUS                                    
53 starts, 16 wins (5 x Group 1), 14 seconds, 4 thirds.  Win % 30.2 Place % 64.2 (at 13 October 2018 (retired))                                    
                                    
Earnings in Australian dollars (AUD)     AUD 3,996,580.00                           
Earnings in United States dollars (USD)*  USD 3,049,881.19                           
Earnings in British pounds (GBP)*       GBP 2,206,772.83                           
Earnings in euros (EUR)*                  EUR 2,698,926.06                           
Earnings in Japanese Yen (JPY)*       JPY 338,204,102                           
* Based on Reserve Bank of Australia (rba.gov.au.statistics/…) daily indicative exchange rates as published for the date of the race or the previous trading day if the date falls on a non-trading day.                                    
Race earnings including value of trophies are shown at the end of each race record.                                    
                                    
RACING RECORD                                    
                                    
TWO YEARS:  2012-2013  Starts 0: 0-0-0-0 for AUD 0.00.                                    
                                    
Did not race                                    
                                    
THREE YEARS:  2013-2014  Starts 8: 0-3-2-3 for AUD 64,800.00.                                    
                                    
5th-9   7/12/2013.   1L x sht nk   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Shirley You're the Best Hcp   1000m.   56.5kg   0.59.4.   Good3, $8.00.    Chinetti 57.5 $3.80 1st   Benito 57.5 $4.40 2nd   AUD 800   
                                    
2nd-10   25/01/2014.   Sht hd x sht nk   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Danmar Homes Hcp   1200m.   56.5kg   1:11.21.    Good3, $7.00.    Dawn Approach 57.5 $6.00 1st   Respondent 58 $3.80F 3rd   AUD 8,000   
2nd-11   1/02/2014.   1.75L x 2L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Westspeed 3YO Hcp   1400m.   55kg   1:23.13.   Good3, $3.50F.    Mountain Haze 56 $10 1st   Respondent 55 $7.50 3rd   AUD 12,000   
2nd-15   15/02/2014.   1L x 1.5L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Magic Millions Yearling Sale - Challenge Stakes   1500m.   56kg   1:30.13.   Good3, $7.00.    Spin da Wheels 57.5 $8.00 1st   My Sister Lil 54 $4.80 3rd   AUD 20,000   
3rd-11   1/03/2014.   1.25L x 1.75L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Lex Piper Stakes   1600m.   54kg   1:37.30.   Good3, $3.60.    Respondent 54 $18 1st   Ihtsahymn 59 $2.30F 2nd   AUD 9,000   
3rd-15   15/03/2014.   Hd x 1L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Schweppes - J.C. Roberts Stakes   1800m.   56.5kg   1:52.86.   Good3, $8.50.    Respondent 56.5 $11 1st   Ihtsahymn 56.5 $2.00F 2nd   AUD 9,000   
12th-16   29/03/2014.   ½ hd x 0.5L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Schweppes - Melvista Stakes   2200m.   54kg   2:18.55.   Good3, $5.50.    Ihtsahymn 59 $3.30F 1st   Authentic Style 54 $12 2nd    AUD 0   
8th-11   12/04/2014.   1.25L x sht nk   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Schweppes - W.A.T.C. Derby   2400m.   56.5kg   2:29.59.   Good3, $17    Respondent 56.5 $5.00 1st    Ihtsahymn 56.5 $1.90F 2nd    AUD 6,000   
                                    
FOUR YEARS:  2014-2015  Starts 12: 7-2-0-3 for AUD 475,030.00.                                    
                                    
1st-12   19/10/2014.   Nk x 3.25L   Bunbury, WA, AUS   Life Member Malcolm Forrest Memorial Maiden   1000m.    58kg   0:58.98.   Good4, $1.65F.    Tre Amici 58 $7.00 2nd   Sky Twister 56 $11 3rd   AUD 11,250   inc Westspeed bonus $2,500
2nd-13   1/11/2014.   0.75L x 0.5L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Auto Classic - Asian Beau Stakes   1400m.   55kg   1:22.65.   Good3, $9.00.    Balmont Girl 55 $7.50 1st   Respondent 55 $3.60F 3rd   AUD 30,000   
4th-11   15/11/2014.   Lg nk x lg nk x 0.25L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   R.J. Peters Stakes   1500m.   56kg   1:30.79.   Good3, $3.60F.    Bass Strait (NZ) 58 $13 1st   Respondent 58.5 $4.80 2nd   AUD 6,000   
1st-12   22/11/2014.   0.5L x 0.5L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Carbine Club of W.A. Stakes   1400m.   55kg   1:23.31.   Good3, $7.00.    Real Love 55 $3.70 2nd   New Time 56.5 $7.50 3rd   AUD 64,200   inc $200 trophy
1st-10   13/12/2014.   3.5L x sht ½ hd   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Black Widow Hcp   1200m.   59kg cd 57.5kg   1:10.77.   Good3, $4.00F.    Reflectance 54.5 $7.50 2nd   Heavy Set 54 $10 3rd   AUD 38,400   
2nd-5   20/12/2014.   0.5L x 0.75L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   R S Crawford Stakes   1000m.    58kg    0:59.18.   Good3, $2.60F.    Shining Knight 59 $5.00 1st   Cool Trade 55 $3.80 3rd   AUD 20,000   
                                    
1st-6   1/01/2015.   Sht nk x lg nk   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Schweppes - Summer Scorcher   1000m.   56.5kg   0:59.26.   Good3, $2.80F.    Shining Knight 59 $3.30 2nd    Benito 54.5 $3.00 3rd    AUD 65,100   inc $1,100 trophy
1st-12   7/02/2015.   1.75L x 0.5L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Cyril Flower Stakes   1200m.   57kg   1:09.64.   Good3, $3.00F.    Watermans Bay 62 $7.00 2nd   Sireeze 54 $31 3rd   AUD 64,200   inc $200 trophy
1st-11   22/02/2015.   2.5L x 0.5L   Pinjarra, WA, AUS   Chaff City' Pinjarra Classic   1300m.   59kg   1:15.81.   Good3, $2.05F.    Dawn Approach 55 $5.50 2nd   Antique Belle 54 $8.00 3rd   AUD 78,080   inc $1,280 trophy
1st-10   8/03/2015.   5.25L x 0.75L   Bunbury, WA, AUS   APH Contractors - Bunbury Stakes   1400m.   61kg   1:22.61.   Good3, $1.65F.    Danablue 54 $21 2nd   Dawn Approach 55.5 $10 3rd   AUD 77,800   inc $1,000 trophy
4th-17   16/05/2015.   0.7L x 0.6L x 0.4L   Morphettville, Adelaide, SA, AUS   Darley Goodwood   1200m.   55.5kg   1.09.33.   Good4, $4.60F.    Flamberge 56.5 $21 1st   Lord of the Sky 56 $9.00 2nd   AUD 20,000   
15th-15   6/06/2015.   1.8L x 0.2L   Doomben, Brisbane, QLD, AUS   AAMI Stradbroke Hcp   1350m.   53.5kg   1:18.26.   Good3, $11.    Srikandi 53 $12 1st   Boban 58 $16 2nd   AUD 0   
                                    
FIVE YEARS:  2015-2016  Starts 11: 5-4-0-2 for AUD 1,439,750.00.                                    
                                    
1st-8   3/10/2015.   0.25L x 0.5L   Belmont, Perth, WA, AUS   Birthday Stakes   1200m.   57.5kg   1:12.07.   Good4, $3.50.   Fuchsia Bandana 56.5 $15 2nd   Dawn Approach 57.5 $5.50 3rd   AUD 64,200   inc $200 trophy
1st-10   21/10/2015.   Nse x 1L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Northerly Stakes   1420m.   57.5kg   1:23.72.   Good3, $2.00F.    Wink and a Nod 55.5 $5.00 2nd   Resonates 54.5 $13 3rd   AUD 96,900   inc $900 trophy
1st-7   7/11/2015.   0.35L x 0.4L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   WAROA Lee Steere Stakes   1400m.   59kg   1:22.53.   Good3, $3.00.    Magnifisio 57 $14 2nd   Delicacy 57 $2.40F 3rd   AUD 152,000   inc $2,000 trophy
4th-14   21/11/2015.   2L x 0.5L x nse   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   James Boag's Premium - Railway Stakes   1600m.   58kg   1:34.52.   Good3, $6.50.    Good Project 53 $6.00 1st    Messene 56.5 $12 2nd   AUD 40,000   
9th-16   5/12/2015.   Nse x 4.5L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Tabtouch - Kingston Town Classic   1800m.   59kg   1:53.78.   Heavy8, $8.00.    Perfect Reflection 50 $4.40F 1st   Delicacy 56.5 $5.00 2nd   AUD 0   
2nd-11   19/12/2015.   1.5L x 0.5L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   C.B. Cox Stakes   2100m.   59kg   2:14.35.   Good3, $11.    Delicacy 56 $1.50F 1st   Bass Strait (NZ) 59 $101 3rd   AUD 50,000   
                                    
2nd-9   12/03/2016.   0.2L x 0.75L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Lexus Newmarket Hcp   1200m.   53.5kg   1.09.23.   Good4, $16.   The Quarterback 52 $21 1st   Chautauqua 58 $2.40F 3rd   AUD 225,000   
1st-14   26/03/2016.   0.3L x 0.75L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   mypunter.com Victoria Hcp   1400m.    58.5kg   1:21.27.   Good3, $2.50F.    Charmed Harmony 57 $12 2nd   Eclair Choice 57.5 $20 3rd   AUD 90,750   inc $750 trophy
2nd-8   16/04/2016.   0.2L x 0.5L   Randwick, Sydney, NSW, AUS   Schweppes All Aged Stakes   1400m.    59kg   1:22.90.   Soft5, $6.00.    English 54.5 $6.0 1st   Kermadec (NZ) 59 $5.00 3rd   AUD 120,000   
1st-18   21/05/2016.   0.6L x 0.1L   Morphettville, Adelaide, SA, AUS   Darley Goodwood (G1)   1200m.   57kg   1:10.03.   Good3, $2.80F.    Under the Louvre 55.5 $6.50 2nd   Supido 54.5 $6.50 3rd   AUD 320,900   inc $900 trophy
2nd-18   11/06/2016.   0.1L x 3.3L   Eagle Farm, Brisbane, QLD, AUS   AAMI Stradbroke Hcp   1400m.    58kg   1:23.72.   Good4, $5.50.   Under the Louvre 54.5 $11 1st   The Virginian 50.5 $81 2nd   AUD 280,000   
                                     
SIX YEARS:  2016-2017  Starts 10: 4-3-0-3 for AUD 1,466,000.00.                                    
                                     
1st-12   27/08/2016.   1.25L x 2.25L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   New Zealand Bloodstock Memsie Stakes (G1)   1400m.   59kg   1:23.93.   Good3, $2.00F.    Rising Romance (NZ) 57 $17 2nd   Mahuta 58.5 $8.00 3rd   AUD 302,000   inc $2,000 trophy
2nd-13   10/09/2016.   1L x 2L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   PFD Food Services Makybe Diva Stakes   1600m.   59kg   1:36.26.   Soft5, $2.05F.    Palentino 58.5 $9.00 1st   He or She 59 $13 3rd    AUD 90,000   
1st-10   24/09/2016.   2.5L x 0.1L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Hyland Race Colours Underwood Stakes (G1)   1800m.   59kg   1:50.64.   Good3, $2.20F.    He or She 59 $12 2nd   Lucia Valentina (NZ) 57 $5.50 3rd   AUD 302,000   inc $2,000 trophy
2nd-3   8/10/2016.   2L x 4L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Ladbrokes Stakes   2000m.   59kg   2:03.42.   Good3, $4.80.    Winx 57 $1.24F 1st   He or She 59 $21 3rd   AUD 108,000   
9th-10   22/10/2016.   8L x 0.75L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   William Hill Cox Plate   2040m.   59kg   2:06.35.   Soft5, $15.    Winx 57 $1.80F. 1st    Hartnell (GB) 59 $5.00 2nd   AUD 0   
                                    
2nd-9   27/01/2017.   2L x 1.5L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Browns Sawdust & Shavings Australia Stakes   1200m.   58.5kg   1:09.29. (CR)   Good3, $2.50F.    Malaguerra 58.5 $4.20 1st   Sirbible 58.5 $31 3rd   AUD 36,000   
1st-12   11/02/2017.   1L x 0.5L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Ladbrokes C.F. Orr Stakes (G1)   1400m.   59kg   1:22.55.   Good3, $3.20F.    Turn Me Loose (NZ) 59 $21 2nd   Ecuador (NZ) 59 $14 3rd   AUD 302,000   inc $2,000 trophy
1st-9   25/02/2017.   0.1L x 0.5L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   italktravel Futurity Stakes (G1)   1400m.   59kg   1:22.96.   Good3, $1.90F.    Tosen Stardom (JPN) 59 $17 2nd    Ecuador (NZ) 59 $10 3rd   AUD 302,000   inc $2,000 trophy
7th-20   20/05/2017.   0.7L x 0.4L   Morphettville, Adelaide, SA, AUS   Darley Goodwood   1200m.   59kg   1:09.34.   Good4, $4.00F.   Vega Magic 56.5 $4.80 1st   Missrock 52 $31 2nd   AUD 10,000   
5th-13   27/05/2017.   3L x 3.75L   Eagle Farm, Brisbane, QLD, AUS   Darley Kingsford-Smith Cup   1300m.   59kg   1:19.09.   Heavy8, $5.50EF.   Clearly Innocent 59 $11 1st     Jungle Edge 59 $5.50EF 2nd     AUD 14,000   
                                    
SEVEN YEARS:  2017-2018  Starts 7: 0-2-2-3 for AUD 501,000.00.                                    
                                    
3rd of 11   19/08/2017.   2.25L x 1L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Charge of the Light Horse P.B. Lawrence Stakes   1400m.   59kg   1.24.06.   Soft6, $3.60.   Hartnell (GB) 60 $2.80F 1st   Charmed Harmony 59 $26 2nd    AUD 18,000   
2nd of 11   2/09/2017.   1.75L x 0.1L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   New Zealand Bloodstock Memsie Stakes    1400m.   59kg   1.23.36.   Good3, $6.00.   Vega Magic 59 $2.25F 1st   Tosen Stardom (JPN) 59 $15 3rd   AUD 180,000   
3rd-12   16/09/2017.   3.25L x 0.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   PFD Food Services Makybe Diva Stakes   1600m.   59kg   1.35.35.   Good4, $8.50.   Humidor (NZ) 59 $17 1st   Hartnell (GB) 59 $1.70F 2nd   AUD 67,500   
5th-8   1/10/2017.   1L x 0.1L    Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Hyland Race Colours Underwood Stakes   1800m.   59kg   1:48.41.   Good3, $6.00.   Bonneval (NZ) 56 $4.40 1st   Hartnell (GB) 59 $2.10F 2nd   AUD 18,750   
2nd-16   25/11/2017.   0.15L x 0.2L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   James Boag's Premium - Railway Stakes   1600m.   59kg   1:35.81.    Good4, $8.00.   Great Shot 53.5 $31 1st   Tom Melbourne (IRE) 55 $5.00F 3rd   AUD 200,000   
9th-13   9/12/2017.   0.5L x 0.25L   Ascot, Perth, WA, AUS   Magic Millions - Kingston Town Classic   1800m.   59kg   1:49.50.    Good4, $3.20F.   Pounamu 59 $21 1st   Material Man 59 $31 2nd   AUD 10,000   
                                    
4th-6   43309   3L x 1.25L x 1.25L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   The Big Screen Company Bletchingly Stakes   1200m.   58.5kg   1:10.18.    Good4, $11   Vega Magic 58.5 $2.10F 1st   Voodoo Lad 58.5 $2.80 2nd   AUD 6,750   
                                    
EIGHT YEARS:  2018-2019  Starts 5: 0-0-0-5 for AUD 50,000.00                                    
                                    
9th-16   18/08/2018.   0.4L x 0.2L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Sir John Monash P.B. Lawrence Stakes   1400m.   59kg   1:23.67.   Good4, $8.50   Showtime 58.5 $6.00 1st   Hartnell (GB) 59 $9.50 2nd   AUD 0   
6th-11   1/09/2018.   0.1L x 0.1L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   New Zealand Bloodstock Memsie Stakes    1400m.   59kg   1:23.29.   Good4, $21   Humidor (NZ) 59 $21 1st   Kementari 58.5 $5.00 2nd   AUD 20,000   
8th-12   15/09/2018.   2L x 0.5L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   PFD Food Services Makybe Diva Stakes   1600m.   59kg   1:34.91.   Good3, $19   Grunt (NZ) 58.5 $12 1st   Kings Will Dream (IRE) 59 $5.00 2nd   AUD 15,000   
7th-9   30/09/2018.   0.1L x 0.5L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Hyland Race Colours Underwood Stakes   1800m.   59kg   1:48.70.   Good3, $12   Homesman (USA) 59 $5.00 1st     Tosen Basil (JPN) 59kg $71 2nd    AUD 15,000   
16th-18   13/10/2018.   1.25L x 0.5L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   Aquis Toorak Hcp   1600m.   56kg   1:34.52.   Good3, $31   Land of Plenty 53 $4.20F 1st   Hartnell (GB) 59 $8.50 2nd   AUD 0   
                                    
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« 2019-Apr-24, 11:19 AM Reply #1865 »
Thanks for posting, TimW. His 6yo record was a very good one. Not many get 4 G1s in a season.

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« 2019-Apr-25, 10:05 PM Reply #1866 »
Any chance somebody has the full career record of Natski ?


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« 2019-Apr-26, 10:09 AM Reply #1867 »
I haven't got a full career record for Natski, Authorized, but up to and including the 1988 Melbourne Cup, he had started 20 times for 7 wins, 3 seconds and no thirds.. That included 5 starts for a win and 2 seconds in Britain. He was injured in the Cup and retired to stud the following year so that may have been his last race (?)

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« 2019-Apr-26, 11:25 AM Reply #1868 »
Thank you.

I was hoping to find his winter form for 1988 the year he won the Metro.

Thanks again though.   emthup

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« 2019-Apr-26, 12:37 PM Reply #1869 »
Here's Natski's 8 starts prior to the Metropolitan. He was a promising stayer, pity that he was injured in the Melbourne Cup

 7th 25/5 Rosehill Birthday Club Hcp 1500 52kgs
1st 8/6 Rosehill Hcp 2000m, 55.5kgs, 9 lengths
1st 18/6 Rosehill Engheim Hcp 2000, 54.5kgs, 10 lengths
1st 2/7 Rosehill McKell Cup 2400, 50kgs, short ½ head
1st 16/7 Rosehill Winter Cup 2400, 53 kgs, neck
4th 20/8 Warwick Farm Welter 1600, 54kgs
5th 3/9 Randwick Crown Welter 1800 57kgs
5th 14/9 Newcastle Gold Cup 2300 51kgs
1st 24/9 Randwick Queen’s Cup 2400, 52kgs, ¼ length


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« 2019-Apr-29, 09:21 AM Reply #1870 »
 Thank you.

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« 2019-May-04, 05:45 AM Reply #1871 »
Here's Natski's 8 starts prior to the Metropolitan. He was a promising stayer, pity that he was injured in the Melbourne Cup

 7th 25/5 Rosehill Birthday Club Hcp 1500 52kgs
1st 8/6 Rosehill Hcp 2000m, 55.5kgs, 9 lengths
1st 18/6 Rosehill Engheim Hcp 2000, 54.5kgs, 10 lengths
1st 2/7 Rosehill McKell Cup 2400, 50kgs, short ½ head
1st 16/7 Rosehill Winter Cup 2400, 53 kgs, neck
4th 20/8 Warwick Farm Welter 1600, 54kgs
5th 3/9 Randwick Crown Welter 1800 57kgs
5th 14/9 Newcastle Gold Cup 2300 51kgs
1st 24/9 Randwick Queen’s Cup 2400, 52kgs, ¼ length


He only got beaten in the Cup because I backed him. 


There was a horse (Ideal Centreman?) that pulled out in front of him in the straight and cost him 3 lengths. 


Wouldn't be surprised if that's when he got injured. 

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« 2019-May-04, 07:42 AM Reply #1872 »
Let’s forget about some import, Anything for the great 2 miler, Reckless? Forgetting his first 40 odd starts, of course

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« 2019-May-04, 09:20 PM Reply #1873 »
Reckless full career commences at page 336 of Peter Pring's 'Major Australian Races and Racehorses 1960-1980'.  57 starts for 8 wins and none before his first in the VRC Galilee Hcp in the spring of 1975 as a 5YO.  Arguably he only had a decent weight in 2 races 55.5kg in the 1977 Brisbane Cup where he beat Ngawyni (59.5) by 0.5L and that horse was not a 2 miler in my opnion and 60.5 in the VRC Robertson Hcp as a 7YO being his second last start before he ran 3rd in the Perth Cup with 57.5kg and retired.  He is best remembered for a streak of 4 wins in Autumn 1977 as a 6YO commencing with the 1977 Sydney Cup (49.5kg), Flemington 54kg  Adelaide Cup 52kg and then the aforementioned Brisbane Cup which if my maths is correct were starts 47-50.

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« 2019-May-05, 10:06 AM Reply #1874 »
He is best remembered for a streak of 4 wins in Autumn 1977 as a 6YO Cheers

I think he is best remembered due to his trainer


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