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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2022-May-15, 08:13 PM Reply #150 »

Thanks G


There is a game on.

Murdoch is betting it can sell IQ. It cannot. Murdoch, over-hyping the tripe, is getting desperate

The most-punter set is saying 'no way'.

The bet is that 'the industry' will agree to cover the cost of Racenet (and PDC)  to be provided to punters 'free of charge'.

Murdoch will concede, taking a 'price' well below its once aspirations.


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« 2022-May-15, 08:29 PM Reply #151 »
Their biggest mistake - which tells me they did no research or don't know their market is confusing form with tips.

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« 2022-May-15, 08:52 PM Reply #152 »
Murdoch is not an idiot like PM thinks. If his betting agency comes to fruition as planned, there will be freebies for punters who bet with them etc.

He will have a good audience with Kayo and Foxtel plus Racenet which other betting agencies don’t have. Along with the current relationship with Racing NSW and Vlandys via News Corp etc, he has a head start which most corporates will die for.

The fact at the matter which will concern him the most is the possible loss of Scotty in the election. In last few years, there are no checks on sports in the anti siphoning list along with no restrictions on gambling ads. Labor hates News Corp so he does not know what they will do. Any ban on gambling ads during sports or sports being added to the anti siphoning list will see some hit to their revenue. Most sports watchers gamble and if they watch it on fox or Kayo, it is great for Murdoch betting.

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« 2022-May-17, 06:18 PM Reply #153 »

Desperation takes hold -- the IQ strategy is apparently going from bad to worse

A casual scroll of the bait played to get suckers behind the pay wall is disturbing.

Long familiar tipsters, who would not in the normal course bait a hook, are having their name connected to long-priced tips.

Presumly the meter is keeping track of who catches which suckers with which bait.

The best thing about murdoch media is that you cannot be led astray unless you pay to be so misguided.

By now most would have sucked and seen -- taken the 'introductory offer' and cancelled before the automated renewal kicked in.

The IQ venture was flawed from the start -- overpromising and underdelivering the 'value' that was not added added to access what had been popular for years and available long available free of charge.

How will this play out?

Without accountability trust is being eroded as the daily rough results suggest success was unlikely.

The makeover was a muckover.

 





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« 2022-May-18, 07:50 PM Reply #154 »

Consider your own IQ -- Racenet tips race-results all over the place


It has long been standard practice for Racenet (and punters-dot-com) to publish 'Racenet Tips & Race Analysis' , along with others, including promoters of bookmaking services.

These 'tips', published concurrent with 'acceptances', reflect different algorothmic programs summarily, but genuinely, reconciling the complexities at 'first blush'.

Industry personalities in the press and broadcast media add a more personal dimension, often assisted by trainers and jockeys as well as what they hear on some grapevine.

In the main, this public discussion is managed by murdoch media.

............. 'and then along comes Jones' in the form of claimed experts:

      Unlock Tony Brassel's & Mark Guest's exclusive tips & insights today

Believe it or not -- check with Ripley -- before you pay for it.

The competition is from 9Media ... especially the contributions from SMH published as its Friday 'tips panels', its 'The Form' form guide and, on Saturdays, the magic of Monty's Top5.

.............. in my experience, most punters are well advised to be subscribers to the 9Media (Fairfax) publications.



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« 2022-May-18, 08:28 PM Reply #155 »
Why do you continue to post the same stuff? You've made a point - you don't like it. Regurgitating the same dross endlessly doesn't make it anymore relevant  :bulb:

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« 2022-May-18, 09:39 PM Reply #156 »


Very real continuing problems with the murdoch media need to be exposed and addressed.

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« 2022-May-19, 08:48 AM Reply #157 »
And your intellect tells you to bash the half dozen who come here with your crap FMD  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:  

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« 2022-May-19, 09:30 AM Reply #158 »



The murdoch media men have a squirrrel grip our racing industry


................. be very wary about giving up aspirations to a free press able to report without fear or favour.

As things stand, any hope for a free press in the racing industry is fanciful and the most-punter set is being fleeced unfairly.

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« 2022-May-19, 09:19 PM Reply #159 »

The hype, to pay Racenet 'no-iQ', for tips on longshots, has gone over the top.

                                     .... any suckers subscribing recently have an entitlement to a full refund

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« 2022-May-20, 01:50 PM Reply #160 »
Thought I'd throw this gripe in here as seems relevant.

When I'm punting on horses I've often enjoyed the collective discussion of the liveblog on the Punters website.  Even if it's as simple as finding out news on protests or if there is to be a protest.

Anyway discovered to my irritation that Punters have rolled this access into their subscription service.  They really are taking the piss.

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« 2022-May-22, 12:53 PM Reply #161 »
Could have paid for the whole year and some Ol'Pete  :whistle:


By Racenet
10:31am • 22 May 2022


RacenetIQ followers of ‘Longshot Laurie’ Sainsbury have finished with a massive result at Flemington on Saturday after the master tipster landed Le Don De Vie at the staggering odds of $81.

Sainsbury is renowned for finding roughies at cricket-score odds and he was at it again with the new Ciaron Maher and David Eustace acquisition Le Don De Vie which saluted at the official starting price of $81 although as much as $91 was available at jump time.

Laurie said; “In March last year, he resumed in the CS Hayes at Morphettville running fifth to Ironclad, beaten 3-1/2 lengths, after being held up so the margin was unfair. In that race, he carried 61.5kg and after the claim here he gets in with 57kg.


“He’s had three recent jumpouts and I liked the most recent performance when he led up and looked so free in his action, demolishing lesser lights by a big margin. I envisage a solidly run race on Saturday which should suit.” And so it was with Le Don De Vie getting up late over the hot favourite Tuvalu.

Earlier in the program Laurie also found Natural Mystic as his first selection with the Tarzino gelding keeping his unbeaten record intact after being backed from $8 into $6.50.

To get all Laurie Sainsbury’s tips along with those of Tony Brassel, Mark Guest and professional punters The Guru and The Trackwalker, plus much much more, be sure to sign up for RacenetiQ now!

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« 2022-May-23, 10:43 AM Reply #162 »


Nothing wrong with 'Longshot Laurie': an industry icon -- gets it right sometimes.




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« 2022-May-23, 12:22 PM Reply #163 »


Talking about 'value' in racing .. what are iQ's paying subscribers saying?


Fancy saying this:

Value aplenty from Saturday’s Racenet iQ winners. There was a stack of value found from the Racenet iQ team this week, highlighted by Laurie Sainsbury finding one at close to triple figure odds at jump time.


Let us be the judge after full disclosure of all the tips .. and all the outcomes .......... especially about Saturday's exclusive tips & insights from Tony Brassel & Mark Guest.

We will believe it when we see it.

[The racing media confuses the concept of 'value' with 'big dividends'. Racing media men talking about results 'putting value in' are invariably talking about the exact opposite, results that 'took value out '. Winning favoirites are 'good value' for punters ........ 'winning longshots' are poor value for punters.]

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« 2022-May-23, 09:03 PM Reply #164 »

Newscorpse nonsense is not just about 'racing'


Wherever the newscorpse crew write, so much of what they write is just not acceptably so, one can only wonder why those that write this not-so stuff continue to do so against the public interest.

Be grateful that what is written is behind a pay-wall ......... and that the writers prepared to write it are so well paid they do not write the same stuff where it might be seen for what it is.

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« 2022-May-27, 08:16 PM Reply #165 »



Racenet (no)iQ sells more tips than an asparagus farm at harvest time

There are tips all over the place....... not all tips are equal ... some 'cost' twice  (get 'em and lose) .... the basic 'algorithm' tips, given free, reflect the form-guide -- then the inflated-field experts second-guess ....... nor are all tips the same for the same races -- by the time all the 'tips' are collated there is considerable overlap.

It is about time for Racenet to put a bet on, to stand by it, and to be accountable for it.

We will judge the 'iQ'.


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« 2022-May-28, 07:57 PM Reply #166 »

How did you go today, boys?


....... the home of Australia’s most comprehensive & in depth racing analysis, insights and tips.............

It is time for a reality check.

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« 2022-May-30, 07:55 PM Reply #167 »

GO ON  -- Blow me down, Strike me roan, Have a lend of me

Punters Edge ( by punters.com.au): New price assessment tool launching on Tuesday

The hype reads well -- as usual for these kids.

A new artificial intelligence-based price assessment tool will launch on Tuesday. Punters Edge, which will be available exclusively for Punters+ members, uses 160 different data points to rate each horse’s winning prospects in a race. Once the numbers have been crunched, the Punters Edge tool prices up each horse to determine if there’s a value edge against the market.

Will you let me know how you go, boys?

                              --- or, daily, still keep mum in the hope that more sign up.

[ ....... the idea that this, unaccounted,  hyped-nonsense is allowed to be trotted out is 'red hot']




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« 2022-May-31, 07:40 AM Reply #168 »
You are making some good points here Mair.

Finding a "value edge against the market" relies on extreme accuracy of your figures in select areas.  160 data points sounds good, but mostly when you are working with something that is so close to zero, that in practical terms it is zero, then it can be disregarded.  Racing analysis comes down to identifying things that matter in determining race outcomes, and finding a way to accurately measure them.  Time should not be spent in the other areas of low/zero-value, where the dog will be chasing it's tail. 

Modern time and weight systems mostly miss the mark through limited capacity.  They do not accurately cover the full spectrum of racing, and have potential accuracy in a limited number of races only.









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« 2022-Jun-01, 08:46 PM Reply #169 »


PK .............. new to the forum perhaps

                     .........  a load of psuedo intellectual bullshit is not a likely strategy to engender respect.

Few, if any, would have any understanding of what you are saying.

Give us some immediately factual somethings on which you want to hang your credibility.

Otherwise ... piss off.




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« 2022-Jun-01, 08:59 PM Reply #170 »

PK .............. new to the forum perhaps

                     .........  a load of psuedo intellectual bullshit is not a likely strategy to engender respect.

Few, if any, would have any understanding of what you are saying.

Give us some immediately factual somethings on which you want to hang your credibility.

Otherwise ... piss off.

A new level of IDIOCY right there.

It is actually the basics for those with a bit of a clue.

Fours

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« 2022-Jun-01, 09:27 PM Reply #171 »


Selective accountability at iQ -- we need the outcomes on everyday



Bruce Clark has stepped off the bench to deliver an almost flawless tipping performance for Racenet iQ members at Sandown on Wednesday finding seven of the last eight winners on top.


After declaring the opening race a ‘no bet’ contest he then went on a winning rampage tipping all bar the fifth winner Megamea.

While it may have been dark and dreary at the Sandown track it was a blazing hot fill-up for Racenet iQ members who stuck with “Snowy” Clark.



Congratulations -- to Bruce and iQ.

Disappointed perhaps that 'Snowy' has had his name linked to 'tips' (on no iQ), it is not surprising that he is acknowledged as a winner.

That daily accountability is what subscribers, and potential subscribers, want.

Let us have it!

As is, if the iQ policy is to recognise a good win, then it has otherwise been a long dry run. 


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« 2022-Jun-01, 10:00 PM Reply #172 »
re Mair

Don't need the respect of a person who is clearly out of their depth in understanding the basics of Racing.
« Last Edit: 2022-Jun-01, 10:09 PM by peter kamenzind »

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« 2022-Jun-02, 08:47 AM Reply #173 »
Peter Kamenzind . . Do you have any ideas on converting 100 point rating tables such as Sky's to a market . .

I have a method which I have previously posted on here

Pooh-pooed by some with superior mathematical knowledge but who cannot or do not suggest ways of fine tuning it

Not perfect but throws up enough roughies to keep me interested

Thx

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« 2022-Jun-02, 09:22 AM Reply #174 »
Posted by: arthur / converting 100 point rating tables to a market

Will have a look, maybe you can direct me to your method previously posted, or re-post it.
I am always a bit skeptical as to how they come to their ratings, but that is not the issue at hand.  I can treat the ratings as "accurate" in this case.

An example of ratings that imo do not fully reflect ability, are the international ratings for horses.  I think they better reflect a horse's success, rather than it's ability.  For example if horse A wins say the Slipper and Sires Produce in what was an only average year, and horse B wins the Slipper only, in another year, but in an extremely fast and high rating race, they will give horse A the higher number, even though horse B has the greater (indicated) ability.
« Last Edit: 2022-Jun-02, 09:25 AM by peter kamenzind »


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