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Online wily ole dog

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« 2022-Jun-02, 09:38 AM Reply #175 »

PK .............. new to the forum perhaps

                     .........  a load of psuedo intellectual bullshit is not a likely strategy to engender respect.

Few, if any, would have any understanding of what you are saying.

Give us some immediately factual somethings on which you want to hang your credibility.

Otherwise ... piss off.


Clearly Mair is directing this to himself. The penny has finally dropped with  him  :lol:

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« 2022-Jun-02, 10:06 AM Reply #176 »


Selective accountability at iQ -- we need the outcomes on everyday

As well as the nice Snow-fall at Sandown yesterday, the iQ promoters are pleased with their performance at Tamworth on Tuesday.


Our new price assessment tool Punters Edge pinged out of the gates on day one with a bunch of winners around the country including an elite set at Tamworth. Launch day saw our top-rated horses win six out of the eight races at Tamworth, with four of the top 'edge' runners saluting and delivering big value for our members. Of the other three meetings (Townsville, Hawkesbury and Hamilton,) our top-raters won 10 of the 25 races at a strike rate of 40%, with plenty of those delivering big value edges.


This performance is to be applauded -- as is the inclination to share the good news.

Even so, we need all the news -- not just the good news -- all the news across the range and raft of iQ tips.

As is, the inclination to share the occasional good news implies that, mostly, 'the no-news' is not good.

Accountability is not a big ask -- for many years the tipsters at WinningPost owned up to all that happened.

If the tipsters form on iQ is reliably good punters will be in with their ears back.

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[...........on a less pleasant note, it seems that there is some inclination for the posting of some faux contributions on some threads that are more disruptive and diversionary than useful ...... keep an eye things.]




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« 2022-Jun-03, 08:53 AM Reply #177 »
Dye: How $3bn computer geniuses have killed off big-time punters...

Would anyone be able to post this article or PM it to me?  Sounds interesting.

Cheers. :beer:

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« 2022-Jun-03, 10:52 AM Reply #178 »
Posted by: montecristo
Dye: How $3bn computer geniuses

Looks interesting, locked behind the Racenet/Punters paywall. 

Interested to see if there is any/much detail in this piece.

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« 2022-Jun-03, 11:05 AM Reply #179 »
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Probably just details how they profile customers and insert traders/managers between some customers and the betting software to limit or totally stop their activities.

May go into different markets for different customers again depending upon their profiles and the sharing of info between corps.....

I'd be surprised if there was anything new in the article not already known to decent punters.

Click bait for the site the most likely explanation.

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« 2022-Jun-03, 11:42 AM Reply #180 »
I'm not a paid subscriber on Punters but it just opened up for me when I clicked through off Facebook.

Nothing any of you wouldn't know ..... 30 thousand feet commentary on the likes of Woods / Benter and the computer syndicates in HK, other references to Zeljko, David Walsh and Phil Turner.

He's mainly bemoaning that the days of big bettors like George Freeman, Robert Trimboli, Kerry Packer, Mark Read etc are long gone. 

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« 2022-Jun-03, 12:02 PM Reply #181 »
I'm not a paid subscriber on Punters but it just opened up for me when I clicked through off Facebook.

Nothing any of you wouldn't know ..... 30 thousand feet commentary on the likes of Woods / Benter and the computer syndicates in HK, other references to Zeljko, David Walsh and Phil Turner.

He's mainly bemoaning that the days of big bettors like George Freeman, Robert Trimboli, Kerry Packer, Mark Read etc are long gone.

Thanks mate.


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« 2022-Jun-03, 07:09 PM Reply #182 »


A very welcome development -- tomorrow-tips put on the line

The punters.com.au team have given some 'inside' access to its new 'Punter’s Edge' product.

Check out the link below.

This week we launched Punter’s Edge, an artificial intelligence-based price assessment tool available to Punters+ members, and we’ve turned its attention to Saturday’s fields in search of some early overs.

The tool delivered in a big way on day one, finding six of eight winners at Tamworth with four of the top 'edge' horses delivering great value.


https://www.punters.com.au/news/punters-edge-early-markets-for-saturday-racing-20220602/?utm_source=Punters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=PUNT_RACING_WEEKLY_01&net_sub_id=283996325&type=curated&position=2&overallPos=4


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« 2022-Jun-04, 06:22 PM Reply #183 »


'Punter’s Edge': just be grateful for the open-book accountability -- and ask for more [next day]

......... as a side bet, my money would be on Monty to have done better today than any iQ tipsters in Sydney and Brisbane.

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« 2022-Jun-05, 11:17 AM Reply #184 »


........... presumably the iQ tipping-team factor in all the intelligence



Racenet introduces its latest unrivalled punting tool – the ultimate trial report.

This feature product will be offered initially on Sydney metropolitan and NSW provincial sets of trials.

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« 2022-Jun-05, 12:13 PM Reply #185 »

'Punter’s Edge': just be grateful for the open-book accountability -- and ask for more [next day]

......... as a side bet, my money would be on Monty to have done better today than any iQ tipsters in Sydney and Brisbane.

How’d mounty go yesterday. Given his 8 selections in every race I assume you’ll report some form of success :whistle:

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« 2022-Jun-05, 02:25 PM Reply #186 »
Peter Kamenzind . . Do you have any ideas on converting 100 point rating tables such as Sky's to a market . .

I have a method which I have previously posted on here

Pooh-pooed by some with superior mathematical knowledge but who cannot or do not suggest ways of fine tuning it

Not perfect but throws up enough roughies to keep me interested

Thx
I remind you that Carey (whose skills lie in different areas) managed to cobble up a software solution that defied Benter!

Based on my suggestion of a Monte Carlo simulation of Normally distributed performances.

Now while some here (including me) don't unquestionably accept Bemter's premise of the performances having a Normal distribution, the simulation principle still applies.

There is no other practical way of solving this.

And there is no way of fine tuning your way because it's fubar.

Everyone here can improve their Maths and computer skills, and I strongly suggest you try that rather than once more parading your shortcomings.







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« 2022-Jun-05, 03:33 PM Reply #187 »
jfc,

More an oval than a circle and compressed somewhat on one side.

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« 2022-Jun-06, 07:14 AM Reply #188 »
re "parading your shortcomings"

If Arthur's way is less than perfect, then good on him for wanting to improve it.  Someone's process shouldn't be so quickly discounted, without knowing what they seek to achieve from it.

I have worked on stuff that would best be described as degrees of fubar, where I have benefitted from the method of process, rather than any outcome.  Sometimes making mistakes and/or taking the wrong path for a time, is part of the medicine to fix the problem.

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« 2022-Jun-06, 11:57 AM Reply #189 »
Arthur and Mair are a duo of disingenuous dotards.

I published my analysis that showed the Field Sizes do not cause Market Inefficiencies. That should have been the end of the matter and STFU time. But Mair has not taken the hint.

In Arthur's case I got shangaied into developing a Monte Carlo simulation to correctly convert Ratings to Market Odds, as opposed to the mathematical obscenities of Don Scott. No one questioned the method, though some opined that Performances were not a Normal Distribution.

Arthur was not involved, but after some bizarre collect, he wanted a pretext to crow, and tried to use that solitary outcome as a basis to attack my method.

Now, months later, he chooses to resume his attack.

The guy has been making dumb plays all his long life, and has no genuine interest in lifting his game. Only in attacking those who have succeeded.

He may claim not to understand the Monte Carlo method, but drag him (or his ilk) onto the witness stand, and they will find that they agree with all the steps and conclusions involved.

It's just that they've never bothered to try to think.

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« 2022-Jun-06, 03:33 PM Reply #190 »
Thank you Peter  :beer:

And I humbly apologise to JFC for all of those 'attacks' (??)

I am but a humble bushie who freely admits to making some  unwise decisions . .

But as a lesser mortal, I would never knowingly seek to disparage anyone who is not only clever enough to develop a Monte Carlo Simulation; but who also  has the self-belief to not accept Bemter's Premise unreservedly . .

And with that I feel that I have paraded enough of my short-comings . .


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« 2022-Jun-06, 03:51 PM Reply #191 »
I have no idea what you lot are talkin* about I just watch videos. Way simpler   :lol:


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« 2022-Jun-06, 08:10 PM Reply #192 »

Playing ducks and drakes on Racenet iQ


Racenet (no)iQ is playing with the minds of punters.

Some 'click bait' on the Racenet news site is 'locked' and some is 'open' -- punters need to know what is 'open' and what is 'closed'.

That can't be too hard.

Recently locked, today the Bruce Clark posting on Racenet is 'open to all' -- https://www.racenet.com.au/news/journeyman-jockey-paul-hamblins-link-to-lester-piggott-20220606


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« 2022-Jun-06, 08:13 PM Reply #193 »
No,  it can’t be too hard for some, Peter :bulb:

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« 2022-Jun-07, 12:13 PM Reply #194 »
Have to back up jfc here "a Monte Carlo simulation to correctly convert Ratings to Market Odds"

The Monte Carlo method works well for a variety of score based rating methods - times, weights, ratings.  The added bonus is that the one process provides win, place, duets, exacta, quinella, trifecta and FFour odds with a minimum of effort.  Find the relevant thread and all will be revealed.  You not have to start from scratch, the groundwork and steps required are there for any who wish to follow.

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« 2022-Jun-17, 05:59 PM Reply #195 »

Racenet iQ
:How your world on the punt has changed in 4 months
 
Thousands have already joined as members. It is also true to say that thousands of once-trial-members have already sucked and saw and left.

It is certainly true to say that many thousands more were 'members' of Racenet before the murdochmen withdrew access that was 'free of charge'. Racenet was free of charge for decades. The business was built by the punters attracting the advertisers and sponsors that paid the freight to build Racenet.

.......... and then along came the murdoch monopolists ........ bought the business ... bought  familiar names ...... bought them suits and ties .......... took flash new photos ........ put a price on access... proceeded to swamp 'members' with more tips every day than would be found on an asparagus farm.

I doubt the business is profitable.

Problem is there is no accountability for the hyped-up clickbait. One can only wonder what the murdochmen think of punters .. the 'mugs' of old comes to mind.

“Among the array of content delivered by our newsroom 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, our team provides members with unique insights from selected jockeys and trainers about all their rides and runners before every Saturday raceday,” “Members who regularly follow this feature have been lucky enough to be steered into some big-priced winners directly from the mouths of jockeys and trainers".

Even today, punters taking at face value an implied promise of disclosure -- steered into some big-priced winners  --  were greeted with:
                                                                       There is more to this story

There is a lot more to this story.




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« 2022-Jun-17, 10:24 PM Reply #196 »


Murdoch is media -- the people we rely on to protect the people


Murdoch media does not protect the people -- it is in league with those that exploit the people.

.................... it is just not possible to separate the 'hype' from the 'tripe' at (no) iQ Raxenet -- both are the same -- hype is tripe.

No one should pay to be deceived.

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« 2022-Jun-18, 06:54 PM Reply #197 »


How did we go today boys?


Probably not so well at Flemington where RVL flumoxed the form guides again.

Need someone good on the team:  check the SMH's Monty -- at Rosehill today he starred in the 8 quadrella races and at Ipswich he took the early-Q in a canter.

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« 2022-Jun-21, 09:03 PM Reply #198 »

Tony Brassel’s best bets and form preview for Canterbury

Who thinks 'tony tomorrow' can make head nor tail of seven races that should not even be run?




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« 2022-Jun-22, 09:01 AM Reply #199 »
Canterbury today will suit you but you still carry on like a Pratt.
Biggest field is probably 9 runners...........oh I forgot, you don’t know how to read a form guide so how would you know  :lol:


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