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Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: monologue on 2009-Sep-22, 09:45 AM
http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/

This racing site was given a plug this morning on radio and after spending a short time navigating the site I found it interesting and a little different from the some other racing sites.

The Queensland section is interesting  to say the least.
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Sep-22, 10:05 AM
Yes Indeed Mono Very interesting   emthup


OF all the racing States in Australia, for some unknown reason QUEENSLAND is the hot-bed of rumor mongering and racetrack gossip – perhaps it’s the warmer climate. So we have decided to air some of these ‘stories’ in a regular 'BELIEVE IT OR NOT' column.
During the week we have received an extra large amount of e-mails on a number of contentious topics ranging from concerns over a lack of policing at last Saturday’s Eagle Farm race meeting; suggestions for Warren Williams in his new role as Racetrack Development Manager; and even a blast from the past for Queensland Racing looking back to the Daubney-Rafter Inquiry.
 
PUNTERS SICK OF SLAUGHTERING THEIR MONEY IN BRISBANE
THE general theme of the dozens of e-mails received after last Saturday’s racing at Eagle Farm was that punters might as well throw their form guides and speed maps out the window.
We decided to ask several experienced form analysts to look at replays of the meeting and give us their opinions. They were unanimous in the view that the stewards had ‘an off day’ and that there were a number of inquiries that could have been instituted.
Each of the analysts nominated questionable rides by senior jockeys and felt that they could easily have assumed that there weren’t too many chasers in one race. The laws of libel prevent us from going much further but anyone who knows anything about racing and looks at a replay of this meeting will know what we are talking about.
Our message to Queensland Racing Chairman Bob Bentley and his Integrity Services Manager, Jamie Orchard, is this: Racing at the Gold and Sunshine Coasts has been on the nose for some time. The big punters are already saying there is no point slaughtering their money in Brisbane as well when the stewards don’t seem interested in taking any action.

IS ‘JED CLAMPETT’ A  PERMANENT FIXTURE AT THE DEAGON TRAINING CENTRE?
IT did not take long for news of the appointment of Warren Williams as Racetrack Development Manager for Queensland Racing to filter through when the e-mails started to arrive.
The majority welcomed the appointment – although one claimed it was set in stone over a year ago when Williams went on an overseas junket with key members of the Queensland Racing Board – and should have happened earlier than now.
There were many light-hearted responses to the assertion of QRL chief operations manager, Malcolm Tuttle, that: “Racing and training facilities are the heart and soul of what we are about and it is Warren’s job to make sure the heart and soul remain in good shape.”
An e-mail from Jim Atherton of Hendra asked: “Where’s the heart and soul in that goat track we’re expected to race on at Eagle Farm. Does Thomas the Tank Engine even go to the races?”
Then there was the e-mail from a Deagon trainer, who shall remain nameless for obvious reasons: He posed the following question: “Does that mean Warren Williams will take over from ‘Jed Clampett’ down here? It’s time this place was dragged out of the backblocks from when it was just a boutique training centre for a select few.”
Sorry sir, we don’t expect QR will be showing ‘old Jed’ the door but Williams has welcomed the opportunity to work with a range of track managers to provide the best tracks and Deagon will be right on his door-step.
Having said that if ‘Jed Clampett’ could produce some Beverley Hillbillies magic and discover ‘black gold’ at Deagon we’re confident Builder Bob would waste no time relocating the long-time locals – privileged or not.
 
RAIL-ROADED OR TORPE-DOED AT THE CAIRNS AMATEURS
ONE of our e-mail writers posed an interesting question after discovering that Brisbane-based steward Norm Torpey – he’s the one that used to be at the ‘red hots’ – was dispatched to Cairns to officiate on the panel at the Amateurs Carnival.
Jim Clifford of the Gold Coast wanted to remind the industry of a situation that was raised during the Daubney-Rafter Racing Inquiry concerning a fall-out former chief steward Steve Railton had with QR chairman Bob Bentley.
The Clifford e-mail said: “At the Racing Inquiry in April 2005 it was revealed that QR boss Bob Bentley had heated arguments at Board meetings with Mr Railton over staff cut-backs, perceived Board meddling in stewards business and Mr Railton’s visit to the Cairns Amateurs.
“These blokes at Queensland Racing have got short memories. Railton was hauled over the coals for daring to travel to Cairns for one of its biggest meetings of the year and here they are now sending a steward up there to do exactly the same thing – boost the ranks of the stewards’ panel for the Amateurs carnival. How hypocritical is that?”

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN WHEN YOU WERE AN APPRENTICE OLIVIA?
OLIVIA Cairns won few friends in the training and riding ranks when she complained to stewards about the ride of Victorian apprentice, Adam McCabe, on her horse, Andamon, at the Cairns Amateurs.
McCabe was forced to front a running and handling inquiry. One wonders if the stewards would have taken such a serious step had the top North Queensland lady trainer not ‘dobbed’ McCabe in.
Their report on the incident reads (in part): ‘From the 200m until the 100m ANDOMAN was held up when attempting to take a narrow run to the inside of BURGUNDY PRINCE (F. Edwards). At a subsequent inquiry into apprentice McCabe's riding from the 400m to the 200m stewards found that his riding was not such as would justify a charge being laid against him under A.R. 135(b) for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to win or obtain the best possible place in the field. Apprentice McCabe pleaded guilty to a charge under A.R. 137(b) in that he failed to ride his mount out to the end of the race and/or approaching the end of the race.
‘A post-race veterinary examination of ANDAMON revealed that the gelding had a laceration to the off foreleg and also had blood in the offside nostril as a result of an abrasion sustained whilst being loaded into the barriers.’
McCabe admitted a ‘tactical error of judgment’ and was fined $200 for ‘not riding the horse out’ – a decision that was the source of some debate.
The young fellow took it on the chin and bounced back on the second day of the Amateurs to land a double, including the Bracelet on Fly to Win and Bay Route for the Cairns stable.
Terry Butts, a veteran North Queensland racing writer, who also trains Fly to Win, was quick to support McCabe and condemn Cairns for laying a complaint against his ride. “He’s an apprentice with limited experience. That’s precisely why he claims three kilos and that’s the risk connections take when they put a kid up.
“Olivia should be ashamed of herself. Those of us who remember Olivia’s days as an apprentice jockey were just shaking our heads,” Butts said.
 
‘CUNNAMULLA FELLA’ – AN ABSOLUTE KNOCKOUT AT BIRDSVILLE
THOSE who made the long trek to Birdsville have returned home talking about the ‘Cunnamulla Fella’ – and he didn’t race during the Cup carnival.
‘Cunnamulla’ – thought to be a station hand – was a knockout king in the Fred Brophy boxing tent which was packed to the rafters at the night sessions.
Brophy took a big troupe of boxers to Birdsville but ‘Cunnamulla’ proved too tough for them to handle. After watching the star of his team knocked out on night one Brophy cut his losses and signed ‘Cunnamulla’ up for the rest of the carnival.
‘Cunnamulla’ was the star of the boxing which attracted hundreds to the tent for each session and at $25 a head that wasn’t a bad earn for the Brophy boys on their long trek to the bush.
 
‘NO MORE FREE DRINKS’ PROVOKES BIG DUMMY SPIT
WE are told the fur has been flying between two high profile racing personalities in the south-east – one now retired and the other enjoying his new administrative role.
At the centre of their dispute is a ‘no more free drinks on race day order’ placed on the retired gent who apparently thought the trimmings of his old job would continue in retirement.

according to their  ratings record they pick 4 in a race,which to  chinese 4 is  death. :whistle:
 
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: gallopers on 2009-Sep-22, 10:53 AM
IT WAS AN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL DAY FOR OUR TOP FOUR RATINGS IN SYDNEY AND MELBOURNE ON SATURDAY - SEPTEMBER 19.


WE FOUND SEVEN OF THE EIGHT WINNERS AT ROSEHILL, INCLUDING SIX TRIFECTAS AND TWO FIRST FOURS.


SEVEN OF THE NINE CAULFIELD WINNERS WERE IN OUR TOP FOUR RATINGS BUT THE BEST RESULT THERE WAS THE FOUR QUINELLAS WE FOUND THAT PAID GOOD DIVIDENDS .


OUR NEXT TOP FOUR RATINGS WILL BE POSTED LATE FRIDAY FOR THE NIGHT SEASON OPENER AT MOONEE VALLEY THEN ON SATURDAY FOR THE NORMAL SERVICE ON SEPTEMBER 26.
 :clap2:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: triple7 on 2009-Sep-22, 11:37 AM
I got pointed to this site by a mate approx 6 weeks ago. I believe it's run by a few guys who have a fair idea of what they are about. I have used their Sat morning ratings and late mail (Syd and Melb only) as a secondary reference point since when weighing up some exotic bet options. What they say is true, they have been pretty much around the mark more often than not and tipped a few longer priced winners including a $20 selection in Melb a few weeks ago (as a one out late mail tip). I tested a couple of weeks of boxing their 4 ratings for a race for an exacta and they were well in front after a small sample. It's free, and hopefully remains so.
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: monologue on 2009-Sep-22, 12:09 PM
Might have to have a peak at these ratings.

With a couple of nicknames used in these stories I am wondering if our old mate ted has lent a hand at relaying the stories.
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Sep-22, 07:45 PM
There's a smorgasbord of material to sift through,  some very entertaining and informative what I've seen so far. :beer:

Godfrey Smith in Horsing around well worth reading   :thumbsup:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: monologue on 2009-Sep-22, 08:32 PM
Yes I've locked on to my favourites list. 8-)

The Qld racing section is well worth a read.
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Sep-23, 08:15 AM
good to see yous all like my new website  :beer:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Sep-23, 08:38 AM
Godfrey mentions a  journo " Hard Luck Harry"  in his most recent column,wonder who he's talking about. :shy:

Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Sep-23, 08:39 AM
good to see yous all like my new website  :beer:

Crikey! Ted's using english  :love:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Sep-23, 11:23 AM
in rockvegas they call it bling-lish :stop:
seriously like their anomyous e-mail service....they get one and pop it into the website as publishers.....anyone see a knock on the mail-box coming from the spin-kings? :shutup:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: monologue on 2009-Sep-23, 03:05 PM
A bit like the Ear column ted...no names ,just innuendo and hearsay.
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Sep-23, 05:32 PM
 :chin:
yeah it is a pity how divided the industry is...former mate vs mate....industry in the hands of the despised despot now of arb fame.....mono it would be great if the ear was writing about plunges,characters and country carnivals like birdy and cairns instead of un-rest,disputes,court actions and perceived corruption,nepotism and vote rorts....bob and bill qld racings chief dills......suck it up mono :spam:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Sep-24, 10:03 PM
A bit like the Ear column ted...no names ,just innuendo and hearsay.

That was yesterday  Mono some names there today in the QR section.A  Lot better than Obi IMO  :thumbsup:

A tip if ya don't want to be outed don't use ya real name if ya send em an exclusive email  :biggrin:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Sep-25, 08:23 AM
your right arsie they are now chucking a few of the anom. e-mailers out there....maybe ted e, should join the fold about the long missing/abandoned ambulance and why johny hackit{cant} still has a job after melb cup day 07 in mackay{said by all that are told 1 they dont/cant believe it..... 2. name the last time not 1 but 2 consecutive tab races whir run without ambulance and same ambulance abandoned on the course proper in front of the winning post leaving jockeys to fend for themselves....hey johnny did you and bob use a sweeping motion and some carpet?loo-sers
good to see the new website firing on all cylinders in a role of exposure,industry accountability and integrity :bop:  emthup
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: MagiC~* on 2009-Sep-25, 08:30 AM
Think they need to do something about the layout of that site  :/

They need to break it up a little, make the different stories easier to see on the page, they all just seem to meld into one another, in a big jumble of words ..... bit like Ted E's rambling  :)

Good to see a website putting it to the man though  :thumbsup:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: gratlog on 2009-Sep-25, 08:51 AM
Not as good as Just Racing   :biggrin:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Sep-25, 10:58 AM
rambling :shutup:?
magic, you ever seen a ambulance not follow a race in your entire racing life? :embarrassed:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: MagiC~* on 2009-Sep-25, 11:15 AM
rambling :shutup:?
magic, you ever seen a ambulance not follow a race in your entire racing life? :embarrassed:

Sorry Ted E, meant rants  :shy:

The ones where your bagging Bob Bentley, and even though I love them, they can be a bit hard to understand at times  ;)
Title: Letsgo horseracing
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Oct-14, 09:22 PM
Good story from Terry Butts on country jockey Keith Ballard ridden 1500 winners a pretty good effort considering mostly only rides once a week. :clap2:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=278:legendary-queensland-bush-jockey-lands-his-1500th-winner&catid=42:qld-a-rest&Itemid=69

Other snippets on email complaints and other issues.Godfrey Smith on paying for Sky
Title: Letsgo horseracing
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Oct-14, 09:32 PM
they run a good feedback....more bitterness for bob bananas and the crummy circuses/fawltee towers....the trolls are silent any labor spinners here :thumbsd:
Title: Letsgo horseracing
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Oct-15, 09:43 PM
Not Happy Jan File  :whistle:

Latest bitch is from Greg Honchin former staffer of QTC,complaining he has been  left out of contributing his thoughts on the history of his former employer  the now defunct QTC in the book  :bounce:

As Julius would say "Why is it so? " :chin:
Title: Letsgo horseracing
Post by: ratsack on 2009-Oct-15, 09:51 PM
another from julius "ball of string,funnel,bucket of sand what do you get   :censored: en big mess" nah thats mine sounds better with the voice  :bop:
Title: Letsgo horseracing
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Oct-15, 09:54 PM
Good ole Julius :beer:
Title: Letsgo horseracing
Post by: monologue on 2009-Oct-16, 11:08 AM
Thought you might have got a job washing the seats down at Eagle farm Arsenal.

How much did your dry cleaning cost?  :whistle:
Title: Letsgo horseracing
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Oct-16, 12:21 PM
honchin's hoe-down coming to let's go racing? :stop: :stop:
Title: Letsgo horseracing
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Oct-16, 05:35 PM
Thought you might have got a job washing the seats down at Eagle farm Arsenal.

How much did your dry cleaning cost?  :whistle:

Had it been offered and if the price was right I would have been only too pleased to help out  but with the westerly winds still blowing it would be a full time job and that wouldn't suit me .:love:

And it wasn't me who complained and haven't had the need of dry cleaning for some time.I'm lucky I've got more than one outfit.and a bit of dust or dirt isn't a problem :beer:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: dubbledee on 2009-Oct-26, 10:34 AM
A posting of much of Her Honour's judgement in the QRL case is on this site.
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Oct-26, 02:20 PM
 i read it late at night......shara legal twitter looks the vote rort and now this does not enhance her reputation poor misguided clown that she is.......she faxed my stuff to a tyre business in town=giving me 30 minutes notice to appear before being rubbed out with 4 full time staff and 20 plus owners=gooses
that late night read had me unable to decipher the lingo ....can someone simplify it for us ley-men
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: monologue on 2009-Oct-26, 02:28 PM
  :lol:  especially from ted.
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Oct-26, 02:34 PM
yas especially for ted.....there visit was a doozy with the garden gnome in tow...communal toilets,running rail held up with string,visible tree roots at the 1250 and 1500 starts......what did they door?   broom,rug,sweeping motion.....ole ted e got it sorted but.....
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Nov-12, 04:03 PM
the site is asking/pursuing bib bob on the questions that tede and many stakeholders want answers 2.......maybe not a good long term career move but most are suggesting that bib bob is heading for retirement :tears:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Nov-20, 09:01 AM
Godfrey's got too much time on his hands.  :biggrin:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=372:horsing-around-with-godfrey-smith&catid=37:horsing-around&Itemid=53

Put this up to amuse some or upset others.  :king:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: dubbledee on 2009-Nov-20, 10:34 AM
Godfrey got this bit right:

What a pity the pantomime that unfolded on Sandown Classic afternoon overshadowed a magnificent achievement by one of the unsung heroes of the Australian turf in Zipping.

 :clap2: :no1: :bop: :love:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Nov-26, 08:47 AM
Latest update on letsgohorseracing reads like something from truth to tell, the old gossip page from the defunct  Sunday scandal sheet Truth. :chin:

Lots of axes being ground and dirty laundry being washed without identities being revealed. A book to reveal all,or maybe what isn't defamatory,in progress.A Ring In Called Integrity. :huh:

Divided loyalties abound. :whistle:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Nov-26, 09:34 AM
its a qld centric website for the rorted stakeholders of this bankrupt state.....they seem to head for the nether regions more often than not......who's behind this website :chin:
who is godfrey smith :chin:
why is bib bob such a vote rorting parasitic pariah :chin:
are the arb now shrouded in his shame :chin:
will wade birch abdicate to papua new guinea in search of non-betting monkeys :chin:
will bib bobs directorship at tatts/uni-tab hide all the jocks with betting accounts in their own name :chin:
will qrl's integrity department be charged for bringing racing into disrepute over the 40 minute horse flogging saga by their princess? :chin:
will pete smithers smith find his true calling in life :chin:
will porky finish all the apple sauce in the trough :chin:
will sharlete murray be re-admitted as a solicitor :chin:
will there be any money left for stakeholders  :lol:   :lol:
ted e smith signing off punters ,stakeholders and qrl onions
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Nov-26, 01:27 PM
Ted has asked lots of questions ,but hasn't received any answers . :) :what:

Not yet anyway. :bye:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: dubbledee on 2009-Nov-28, 11:15 AM
Their late mail selections for today:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50:10-july-2009&catid=45:ratings-late-mail-and-deleted&Itemid=55
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Norton on 2009-Nov-29, 06:35 AM
DD

I did not copy them.  How did they go? I saw that yours's went all right.  I think that JR bloke threw another loser.  Gee, wouldn't you be s :censored:ty if you were paying for tips. :wacko:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: dubbledee on 2009-Nov-29, 10:22 AM
I didn't take much note, Norton. :no:  I have enough trouble dealing with my own. :)

I seem to recall seeing WOORIM among them.
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: The-Kid on 2009-Nov-29, 10:36 AM
12 tips for one winner in Its Prince at the Valley. It paid 7.80. 3 other place getters in Woorim, Pepperwood and Pinatas.Not up to the previous week but it was a tough day at the office.


Cheers


The-Kid
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: dubbledee on 2009-Dec-07, 03:17 PM
As mentioned elsewhere, a scoop for this site:

COUPLE OF MAJOR SHOCKS TIPPED WHEN QRL BOARD SHORT LIST NAMED

STANDBY for a couple of major shocks when the short list for the two vacancies on the Board of Queensland Racing is finally announced later today.

The mail is strong that it will not include former Toowoomba Turf Club chairman, Neville Stewart, whose ties to QRL chairman, Bob Bentley, have been the subject of much controversy.

Bill Andrews, who mounted a Supreme Court Civil Action forcing the appointment of a replacement Recruitment Company to select a new short list for the two Board vacancies, is expected to be included.

The KPMG short list of seven is expected to include: SCOTT AGNEW, GARY RICE, BILL ANDREWS, SHAUN CLANCY, ALAN MCPHERSON, BRADLEY RYAN and WAYNE MILNER.

The high profile list of candidates (Mr Rice is a former boss of the Seven Network) will be voted on by industry stakeholders prior to the announcement of the new Board members on Monday, December 21.

This story will be updated when a media release is made by Queensland Racing.
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2009-Dec-29, 07:35 PM
Godfrey has a fair bit to say this week about the media sacking of Steve Moran and goes into some detail about happenings in Queensland.
Also refers to Russ Hinze's retained trainer/driver,sadly deceased at a relatively young age, involved in an altercation with a young driver when he got up and beat the goer. :baby:

And things aren't much better on the Queensland section either. :bye:


Looking forward to improvements in the New Year.  :king:  
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Dec-30, 09:32 AM
theres some shocking stuff on there...all thats missing is the missing ambulance debacle :shutup:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Norton on 2009-Dec-30, 06:02 PM
Ted E

Don't name names but what's the story on the debauchery weekend?  And why weren't you invited?
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: ted e turner on 2009-Dec-31, 09:18 AM
good q norts......and the other one on there are some serious allegations :what:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2010-Jan-12, 07:15 PM
Lengthy discussion and punters' comments on Queensland issues mainly MM Bob etc in the current issue.Worth a look.And Stan gets a guernsey repeating his post about Bob's expertise as a trophy presenter on the weekend.Tony from the Tweed it is. :love:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2010-Jan-27, 09:44 PM
Lertsgohorseracing isn't a fence sitter when it comes to finding out what's going on in Qld racing. It takes the issues up with QRL and gets some answers.
Maybe the answers won't satisfy everyone but thanks to LGHR the information is on the record for all to see .  emthup    :beer:
 
http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=488:queensland-racing-answers-some-contentious-industry-questions&catid=37:horsing-around&Itemid=53
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: Arsenal on 2010-Feb-02, 09:10 PM
Letsgohorseracing has more on the question and answer session with QRL.
Seems that this relative newcomer to our PCs is  doing a reasonably good  job as the voice of racing people who are  concerned or just curious.  :thumbsup:
Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: nicky on 2010-Feb-03, 07:07 AM
Trots have agreed to the merger - http://www.greyhoundsqueensland.com.au/brasch/data/article.asp?story_id=4485

Title: http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Post by: dubbledee on 2010-Feb-08, 06:27 PM
http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=522:letter-to-the-minister-on-racings-best-job-in-the-world&catid=37:horsing-around&Itemid=53

MORE SAY NEEDED FOR THOSE WHO KEEP RACING GOING - THE PUNTING PUBLIC


HAVE you ever stopped to think how much the mainstream punters mean to the survival of the racing industry and how little say they have in the actual running of that multi-billion dollar business?

No-one denies how important every stakeholder is to racing – owners, breeders, jockeys, trainers, stable-hands, bookmakers and the TAB. But how many of them would survive without the thousands of punters who line up every week to invest their hard-earned?

The punter is racing’s biggest shareholder but sadly does not have a say in the running of the industry that he finances and follows religiously. In what other business in the world would that be allowed to occur?

The average punter might not be a ‘rocket scientist,’ have slick ‘corporate skills’ or wear ‘Italian made shoes,’ but many arguably know a hell of a lot more about the grass roots needs of racing than some of those holding down high flying positions and deciding the ultimate direction that the industry takes.

Let’s face it – racing has changed dramatically as the sport struggles to attract yet another generation of punters back to the track. It desperately needs input from someone at the coal-face.

Race club directors no longer play the important administrative role they once did. Some even cynically suggest they are only there now to serve the tea and scones. The majority of their power base has been lost to the Control Bodies.

Most punters are not members of race clubs, many do not even set foot on a racetrack more than a couple of times a year, some prefer the comfort of the local pub or club or even the privacy of their own homes. Those that go to the track seem more concerned that the beer is cold (and at the right price), the pies are hot and that they can watch the races and bet in comfort.

Some might say if the average punter has a problem with how races are run, or why the one he or she has backed was ridden badly then the stewards are there to protect their interests. That’s an argument for another day.

What we are talking about here is how the industry is run, not the racing itself. Should those in charge be smart business people with an intimate knowledge of horse racing or is it an advantage not to have any ‘industry baggage’ to bring to the Board table?

The controversial process of electing directors to the Boards that control racing has been especially highlighted in recent times in Queensland where it even resulted in Supreme Court action challenging the selection process.

Now we have a situation in the north where the Government is prepared to legislate for an integrated body to administer the three codes. This sounds a great idea for stream-lining the control of the gallops, harness and greyhounds and reducing the costs.

But many, yours truly included, are gob-smacked by the appointment process and the five-year terms that the directors look certain to be granted. Don’t forget three of the five that Queensland Racing Chairman Bob Bentley wants to automatically transfer across will dodge standing for re-election – a requirement under the current QRL Constitution.

Many will argue that under the current voting system the ‘village idiot’ would be elected to the QRL Board if he had the backing of Bentley and his cronies. I for one would disagree when it comes to one specific QRL Board member, whose appointment was never popular with the industry in general.

Bentley even admitted to me recently: “He knows the industry would carry coals to burn him. But we can’t just dump one or two current Board members because some people are not happy about them automatically transferring across when they would have been required to stand for re-election under the current system. The timing of this was just a lucky coincidence for them.”

Coincidence or not, why then increase the term of the Integrated Board to five years when the current QRL directors have to stand for re-election after three? The answer from QRL is that the five-year term has been designed to coincide with the expiry date of the TAB Privatization Agreement. Here’s hoping the last one to leave doesn’t have to turn out the lights on the industry!

Complacency and fear are the two greatest concerns for the industry in Queensland. Some key players, opposed to the personnel being given five-year terms on the new Board, will sit idly by while the legislation is steam-rolled through Parliament then complain when it is too late. There are others who want to protest but fear what damage will be done to their clubs or organizations if they do.

To save them the embarrassment I have decided, on their behalf, to pen a letter to old mate, Racing Minister Peter Lawlor, appealing to his sense of honesty and fair play in the hope that the proposed legislation is at least debated within the industry and open for submissions before being processed.

A LETTER TO THE RACING MINISTER ON BEHALF OF THE PUNTING PUBLIC

Dear Minister,

Haven’t times changed since the good old days when we used to join our great old mate, Pedro (former Gold Coast Turf Club chairman Peter Gallagher) for a very long lunch and talk about how you would eventually fulfill your political ambitions?

We were always confident that you would one day topple the fat goat rider who had been there for far too long. You eventually strode to victory in a land-slide but being in the wrong faction of the Labor Party, it took them what seemed like an eternity to recognize your talents.

Now you have finally shed that back-bench status and secured a Ministerial role – fancy you following in the footsteps of the likes of ‘Fat Russ,’ ‘Bollinger Bob’ and ‘Contrary Mary.’

Funny game, politics, your opposite on the front bench is none other than your old sparring partner from the Gold Coast Turf Club committee in (Shadow Racing Minister) Ray Stevens.

But back to the point of this letter old mate – those of us who know you as the great knockabout, hard-working guy that you are (how’s that for a suck-up?), also realize from first-hand experience that you like a cold drink on a hot day.

We can only hope that in the aftermath of one of those long lunches you have not unwittingly agreed to replicate your super successful ‘Best Job in the World’ tourism promotion for the racing industry.

Having read the blueprint for an integrated Board to control the three codes of racing in Queensland, it would appear that the seed has been planted – we suspect with the help of some crafty political maneuvering and a coldie or two – for the directors of Queensland Racing to earn ‘best job’ status.

Even Ben Southall, the Englishman who won Tourism Queensland’s internationally-advertised ‘best job in the world’ and got to spend six months on an idyllic tropical island in the company of his girlfriend, wasn’t permitted to out-stay his welcome.

But under the legislation that QRL chairman, Bob Bentley, is encouraging you to steam-roll through Parliament, three directors of the QRL Board will escape having to stand for re-election.

Bob the Builder, his side-kick ‘Tony the Tosser’ Hanmer and Labor heavyweight, 'Big' Bill Ludwig, will be granted a ticket to ride the Board gravy train for another five years. If this is allowed to happen without due process being applied, it will not only be embarrassing for the racing industry but you will be held up for much behind-the-scenes political ridicule. And you don’t deserve that!

Not for one minute am I suggesting that these three gentlemen won’t do a good job on the new Board but even our own Prime Minister and for that matter the President of the United States don’t get a term of this duration without having to stand for re-election.

We were just hoping that in the aftermath of a long lunch you didn’t get your two Ministerial hats confused. You weren’t wearing the tourism one when you mistakenly agreed to provide ‘Bob and the Boys’ with racing’s version of the ‘Best Job in the World’ were you?

I know you were a fine lawyer before entering politics and would assume that neither you, as Minister, nor the Government (with a smart lady like Premier Bligh at the helm), would be prepared to accept full responsibility for appointments to the new integrated Board without due process and recognized standards being applied.

There’s also the story doing the political rounds in Queensland that Bob is buying up racetrack assets to improve the Government’s AAA Credit Rating. If that’s not a burr you are starting to feel in the saddle right now Minister, I hate to tell you this, but there is a growing resentment in the industry to the way the QR boss seems to be able to put Labor Racing Ministers back in their kennel when they step out of line. Over the years he has had plenty of practice with a member of his own Board.

Perhaps before we get too carried away with translating tourism’s ‘Best Job in the World’ to racing, you should consider calling for submissions on the proposed legislation. I know quite a few who are keen to express their thoughts on the issue but won’t for fear of intimidation.

For what it’s worth many believe that you should legislate for just three of the current five QRL Board members, one each from the harness and greyhounds and appoint two other independents. Just for a change tell Bob to go fly a kite!

Initially, my thoughts were that a representative of country racing (the three codes) and one from the TAB clubs (three codes) would be perfect. The other industry stakeholders would be well represented by the other three.

But then I started thinking about how little input the mainstream punter has into how racing is run these days. Here’s the perfect opportunity to use your ‘Best Job In the World’ promotion and attract some positive feedback for Queensland racing.

Why not call nominations for a ‘punters’ voice’ on the new Board. That way the hundreds of thousands of ‘ordinary people’ – the majority of them vote Labor each election – could at least have their views represented at the highest level of racing.

There are plenty of advantages in having just an ordinary ‘working class’ punter on the Board:

He wouldn’t expect Mud Crab, Quail and Caviar washed down by the finest wines at Board lunches. A hot pie, chips and a six pack of XXXX would do the trick with our man.

He wouldn’t expect a limousine to take him to feature meetings at the track and then make a grand entrance resembling the arrival of the Governor before being escorted to the director’s room or a private box. A return train ticket and a brief into the public stand would do the trick for our man so that he could meet all his mates for endless beers and hundreds of bets.

He wouldn’t want to be sucked up to all day by pontificating officials telling him what a great job he was doing and focusing on everything bar the reason for being there – the racing. Our man would be more interested in enjoying what A Day At The Races is all about and listening to the concerns of the ‘real people’ in racing – those that keep the industry afloat, the punting public.
 
And best of all our man wouldn’t complain about getting his Italian made shoes covered in you know what when he attempted to point his poor excuse for a manhood in the direction of the bowl because there was no urinal built in the gents’ toilet at QR headquarters. It’s hard to soil a pair of joggers or thongs.

All jokes aside Minister, if you felt a ‘mug punter’ would detract from the ‘class and quality’ of the new integrated board you could always find someone that the punting fraternity would find as an acceptable nominee.

One that comes to mind is Bill Carter – now wouldn’t he keep Bob and the Boys on their toes? With all due respects, he’s forgotten more about racing than some Board members could hope to remember. His qualifications in business, racing and the legal fraternity are impeccable and he has won key appointments from both sides of the political fence. Bill would represent the views of the battling punter to perfection.

In conclusion, perhaps I should suggest a woman who might make a suitable ‘voice of the punter’ on the new Board and two come to mind – Pam O’Neill and Mary Collier. What better credentials could you ask for?

Pam pioneered the cause of lady jockeys and is highly respected in every section of the racing industry. Since QRL decided they no longer required her services – she was just another victim of that forgetful Integrity Department that was eventually dismantled – Pam has got on with her life in racing and found a new niche in the breeding side of the industry in Queensland.

Mary was a former chairman of the Brisbane Turf Club, way ahead of her time in ideas for racing in Queensland but shunned to a degree by many in the ‘old boys’ network.’ They criticized her when the BTC showed a major loss when she recommended the sale of shares. In the after-math of the financial crisis she should have been granted life membership, having saved the club from a more monumental financial disaster.

Well Minister, I hope you didn’t sit down to read my letter after a long lunch as I have raved on for so long that you may well have fallen asleep by now. But I trust my thoughts – which I know are shared by so many others in the industry we have come to love and at times hate – will not have fallen on deaf ears.

If you feel there is no merit in the above suggestions then so be it but one way or the other could you do the new Board and the industry one final favor old mate?

Please set aside some funds in your next racing budget to enable the construction of a urinal in the gents’ toilet at Queensland Racing Headquarters at Deagon. You could call it the ‘Dr Dolittle Memorial Urinal’. I reckon there are plenty in the industry that would actually pay for the privilege of using it.


Regards from your old mate, 'GODFREY SMITH'

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Post by: dubbledee on 2010-Feb-23, 02:47 PM
Godfrey's item on the current webpage deals with the life and times of DICK FRANCIS.

Well worth a read.  emthup


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=554:horsing-around-with-godfrey-smith-a-tribute-to-dick-francis&catid=37:horsing-around&Itemid=53
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Post by: nicky on 2010-Feb-25, 06:45 AM
And the latest heading on let's go horseracing is merger on back burner....

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=42&Itemid=69


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Post by: Arsenal on 2010-Feb-25, 11:06 AM
This is what Terry Butts wrote,its only a rumour.

RUMORS RIFE THAT GOVERNMENT HAS PUT MERGER ON BACK-BURNER


IT is difficult to get confirmation, but that controversial amalgamation of the three codes (racing, trots and dogs), which Government has announced will be in play on July 1, might be on the back-burner.


Naturally the plan hasn’t gone down very well with a few on each side of the respective industries, and there’s been a little whisper of a court challenge to prevent its implementation.

Just a rumor - we’ll see!
Should be a statement in the next day or so either yes or no :whistle:

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Post by: Bright Spark on 2010-Mar-08, 02:45 PM
Godfrey's item on the current webpage deals with the life and times of DICK FRANCIS.

Well worth a read.   emthup  


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=554:horsing-around-with-godfrey-smith-a-tribute-to-dick-francis&catid=37:horsing-around&Itemid=53

WHO is Godfrey Smith???, any clues??
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Post by: ted e turner on 2010-Mar-10, 10:37 AM
hes my lost uncle who has reappeared.......the smiths and turners go back a long way :no1:
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Post by: Authorized on 2010-Mar-10, 11:01 AM
Quote
In 1956 occurred the celebrated misfortune that first projected his name to celebrity outside the racing world. In the Grand National of that year Francis and Devon Loch had negotiated all the hazards, had jumped the final fence, and at the Elbow, the celebrated kink on the Aintree run-in, had become the despair of the pursuing horse, ESB, ridden by Dave Dick.

The Royal Box, containing the Queen, the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret, was visibly savoring the moment. The crowd and commentators, roaring Devon Loch to victory, were already celebrating the first Royal win in the National since Ambush II, owned by the Prince of Wales (later to become Edward VII) in 1900.

Then, on the very verge of winning, less than 50 yards from the finishing post, Devon Loch simply sank on to its belly and was unable to get going again. Francis’s explanation was that it had been startled by the sudden roar of the crowd.

If he were cut open, he used to say, the words ‘Devon Loch’ would be found permanently inscribed on his heart. To this day, in British racing, to ‘do a Devon Loch’ is synonymous with losing a race from a seemingly unassailable position.



Personally, I think this is the most incredible occurrence in a race in the history of racing.
Title: Letsgo horseracing
Post by: Bright Spark on 2010-Apr-04, 07:47 PM

Good story from Terry Butts on country jockey Keith Ballard ridden 1500 winners a pretty good effort considering mostly only rides once a week. :clap2:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=278:legendary-queensland-bush-jockey-lands-his-1500th-winner&catid=42:qld-a-rest&Itemid=69


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And still kicking them home!!!
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Post by: specialweek on 2010-Aug-02, 03:17 PM
Horsing Around I found interesting with GS's return.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2010-Aug-02, 05:27 PM
He's mentioned every race-caller born in Australia - and then some.   :lol:

Pity just joking can't call - then again, I'm sure he can.  :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2010-Aug-04, 08:58 AM
http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=931:horsing-around-racing-farewell-another-leading-race-caller&catid=37:horsing-around&Itemid=53

Wonderful story............one of his best and that's saying something. :no1:

A few clues to the writer's real identity here if ya can put the pieces together.? :sweat:

Didn't mention the late Tom Foley a small oversight and Andy Stevens was another news gatherer when racing radio ruled the airways. :beer:
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Post by: whiteshoe on 2010-Aug-05, 06:16 PM
This site is boring as batshit
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Post by: specialweek on 2010-Aug-05, 06:20 PM
An agenda........first post.
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Post by: Norton on 2010-Aug-05, 06:50 PM
Hi Whiteshoe.   You must be a southerner to say that.  The site offers some who live in Qld a ready and accurate source of info in our politically complex environment here.  Boring it is not IMO.
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Post by: arthur on 2010-Aug-06, 10:46 AM
Not to mention a fair coverage of country racing  :clap2: :clap2:. . conspicuously absent on most fora (including this one), apart from the occasional contribution . . also not frightened of a bit of controversy :thumbsup:
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Post by: specialweek on 2010-Aug-06, 05:23 PM
A few clues to the writer's real identity here if ya can put the pieces together.?

Don't see the point in revealing his identity.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2010-Aug-06, 07:09 PM
"J" would be a good start.
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Post by: specialweek on 2010-Aug-06, 07:32 PM
"J" would be a good start.
Obviously I am a man of influence.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2010-Aug-06, 10:11 PM
"J" would be a good start.

You and I know dubbles ...........no need to tell the world. :shutup:
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Post by: Bright Spark on 2010-Aug-11, 12:00 PM
Interesting e-mail about a certain Qld trainer (involving positive swabs???) in Wednesdays Whinge section today???
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Post by: specialweek on 2010-Aug-11, 12:59 PM
If they can't name names we can't either but anyone here in the know?
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Post by: Mick on 2010-Aug-12, 08:41 AM
If they can't name names we can't either but anyone here in the know?
A Cushion track trainer has been fined for 2 positives.Looks like their's more in the mail.
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Post by: ted e turner on 2010-Aug-12, 03:48 PM
hey mick pm me.....the identity of the qr poster boy
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Post by: Arsenal on 2010-Dec-02, 09:03 AM
Another interesting issue in this week's Wednesday Whinge.

 A couple of  identifiable forumites get a guernsey(there may be others unidentified) Ted T and Stan Still........... haven't heard from Stan much but Ted is still around.
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Post by: gratlog on 2011-Jan-13, 07:32 PM
Good site this imo.

Wed whinge is always interesting.

Mot sure I could see the need for the photo of the poor bugger sitting on the roof of his car with his wife and child.Especially when we now know that he didn't make it.

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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Feb-24, 06:38 PM
Always check out what's on this site..........a day late this week............but a good range of topics most of which are self explanatory........and so they should be. :thumbsup:

But this one is a mystery........although JL the editor seems to have some idea about what he's on about. :what:


"LEFT UP THE CREEK WITHOUT THE PADDLE IN A STRANGE POLITICAL TWIST

‘THEY say a week can be a long time in politics and racing is no different – just take a look at the current landscape in Queensland.

Just when a couple of high profile identities were dining out on an alleged hot-line to Premier Anna, they were left up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

All of a sudden they have to find another means of conveying their messages of hate against the RQ chair. But is there more to the link in the chain being broken? Could it have something to do with the CMC?

The prospect of legal action prevents me from elaborating but rest assured there is a bigger story behind the scenes than will ever be revealed – especially when you consider it involves high profile people on both sides of the political fence.

All I can say is that racing will be better – at least for a while – with the mischief-makers left to ponder what might have been in their sad but serious political game. – Brian A, Sunshine Coast.

EDITOR’S NOTE: I have heard the scuttle-butt that you are referring to Brian. It’s just a pity that both sides of the political fence will be reluctant to raise the matter in the House because of the embarrassment that it could create. And there's little or no chance of us rading about it in the mainstream racing media."

Seems the unidentified Wednesday Whinger is too worried about being sued..........or he's not sure that his info is true.......or he might be on something.........mushrooms maybe. :shutup:


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Post by: vadim on 2011-Feb-25, 08:41 AM
A clue - think about the letter "S" :confused1:, and then triple it :chin:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Feb-25, 05:55 PM
A clue - think about the letter "S" :confused1:, and then triple it :chin:

That's no help at all Vadim..............please explain? :whistle:
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Post by: El Dufus on 2011-Feb-25, 08:05 PM
Do you mean "C" more?

ED
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Mar-02, 10:08 PM
This book gets a big wrap.  Anyone seen it?

BEATING THE ODDS,’ the high-stakes story of Australia’s largest private bookmaker, Alan Tripp, written by Nichola Garvey, has been listed for release by publishers Harper Collins on Tuesday (March 1).

Tripp, a man some have labeled ‘a genius’ and others ‘a criminal,’ arguably became the world’s most successful private bookmaker. He was Australia’s most convicted SP bookie and was the prime target of gaming and vice squads around the country in the 1980’s. Yet he eventually sold his businesses for hundreds of millions of dollars. THIS IS HIS STORY.

Popular author and journalist Peter Fitzsimons has described BEATING THE ODDS as ‘a beautifully-written account of a man who has lived a life like no other on the planet. Alan Tripp, an Australian original, never quite knew perfectly ‘when to hold them, when to fold them, when to walk away, when to run,’ but he knew to stick to it, against all odds, and work those odds in his favor like no other.’

Starting-price bookmakers, although illegal, were once a major feature of Australian life, giving punters the opportunity to have a bet away from the track. But with the emergence of the TAB, police were ordered to stamp out all other off-course bookmaking in order to protect the State Government monopolies.

Tripp, described as the biggest SP bookie in Australia, was their No 1 target. His punting clientele ranged from the high society of Sydney to the underbelly of Melbourne and included Prime Minister Bob Hawke, media baron Kerry Packer, gangsters Lewis Moran and Alphonse Gangitano, and underworld figure Mick Gatto – as well as many trainers and jockeys of the day.

Tripp’s life quickly became a roller-coaster of high-stakes gambling, with the dual threats of bankruptcy and prison never far behind.

In a fearless and thrilling narrative, Nichola Garvey recounts the drama and intrigue of the life of Alan Tripp, the billion-dollar bookie who beat the odds.

Nichola has identified her talents as one of the rising stars of the non-fiction writers in Australia. She draws inspiration from exceptional yet untold Australian stories, illuminating the tough and gritty character of the nation.

This is her first book and comes after a career in research and a Masters Degree in professional writing at UTS. With an uncanny ear for a good story and an ability to get the bit between her teeth, she delivers unique narratives with spirit and insight.

Nichola is also a keen philanthropist, dedicating time and resources to worthy causes, particularly young homelessness. Originally from Melbourne, she now lives in Sydney.

BEATING THE ODDS by NICHOLA GARVEY

Publication Date: 1 March 2011 – ARP $35 in paperback.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Mar-03, 11:44 AM
"JUST ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT WOEFUL SERVICE FROM SKY CHANNEL

‘WHY does Sky Channel have to continually obliterate the coverage of pre race vision with tote odds?

I’m sure that most viewers would rather watch the horses in their prelim and behind the barriers before having a punt and have a smaller tote panel flicking over, than just seeing the odds.

The TVN tote odds panel is to the side thereby leaving vision, so why can’t Sky Channel do the same? – Peter M, Belhus Racing Stables, Perth.

EDITOR’S NOTE: Who would know why SKY Channel does anything Peter. We have been trying to get them to post running doubles for the last two races in every state for months. Now they are even failing to post these for other races during the meetings – and this even occurs on SKY World, the channel that punters are absurdly asked to pay extra for. SKY is arrogant, ignorant and couldn’t care less about the needs of the punters but we’ll keep reminding them of their failings."

Is there anyone listening? :chin:



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Post by: D-G on 2011-Mar-03, 11:55 AM
"JUST ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT WOEFUL SERVICE FROM SKY CHANNEL

‘WHY does Sky Channel have to continually obliterate the coverage of pre race vision with tote odds?

I’m sure that most viewers would rather watch the horses in their prelim and behind the barriers before having a punt and have a smaller tote panel flicking over, than just seeing the odds.

The TVN tote odds panel is to the side thereby leaving vision, so why can’t Sky Channel do the same? – Peter M, Belhus Racing Stables, Perth.

EDITOR’S NOTE: Who would know why SKY Channel does anything Peter. We have been trying to get them to post running doubles for the last two races in every state for months. Now they are even failing to post these for other races during the meetings – and this even occurs on SKY World, the channel that punters are absurdly asked to pay extra for. SKY is arrogant, ignorant and couldn’t care less about the needs of the punters but we’ll keep reminding them of their failings."

Is there anyone listening? :chin:




I agree 100% Arsenal   emthup
Anyone sitting at home punting has a computer with them which tells them the odds.
No need to cover the horse with tote prices
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Post by: triple7 on 2011-Mar-03, 12:00 PM
I couldn't agree more, but I'm sure the reason that they do what they do is that the price flucs show firming price movements for certain runners in a race, which in turn would influence numerous punters in pubs or at home to follow and place a new bet. And that's what the Tab is after.
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Post by: monologue on 2011-Mar-03, 01:30 PM
I also noticed the piece about fixed odds....interesting. :whistle:
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Post by: Kato on 2011-Mar-03, 05:01 PM
looks like a ripper of a book about Alan Tripp -should be a great read DD   emthup

Lets us know if you see it in the bookshop -thanks
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Mar-03, 07:26 PM
Will do mate.   emthup
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Post by: vadim on 2011-Mar-08, 03:16 PM
A clue - think about the letter "S" :confused1:, and then triple it :chin:

We might have to quadruple it after some recent legal action.

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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Mar-15, 09:06 AM
The Monday musings from letsgohorseracing.com.au

POST MORTEM OF A DIABOLICAL DOOMBEN DAY FOR PUNTERS

THE only regret the punters had at the end of the day at DOOMBEN was that the threatened jockeys strike didn’t eventuate. NOT A SINGLE FAVORITE WAS SUCCESSFUL on the eight-race card – but you can’t help bad luck.

Little wonder one big bookie has engaged a high profile lawyer to protect his interests with reports a stinging letter has been sent to the Racing Queensland Integrity Department over the way he is being treated. The punters’ hearts bleed for him and so do their pockets.

About the only thing that can save racing in Queensland in the months ahead is the visit of superstar mare BLACK CAVIAR which should bring race-goers back to the track in their thousands during the carnival.

The lack of consistent form continues to drive punters away – not only on the course but in the TABs and betting shops around the country they are turning their backs on Brisbane racing in droves.

Bobby El-Issa, in the hot-seat at the Bold Glance inquiry, was making hay while the sun still shines for him with a successful treble on ACQUIRED ($12), PARIS BLU ($12) and LUCKY LEAK ($5) but again was hardly the punters’ pal.

Unless you were backing the favorites to lose on Betfair, this is the ordinary run of fortune that punters had to contend with at Doomben on Saturday:

RACE 1: The $1.40 favorite GOD BLESS US got caught in a pocket, clear too late, ran 3rd.

RACE 2: The $4 favorite FANTASTIC BLUE was always in trouble and ran 6th from his bad draw.

RACE 3: RIVER LAD, the biggest go of the day, got run down on the line.

RACE 4: NEWSNIGHT ran on strongly for 2nd but ACQUIRED ended a run of outs.

RACE 5: IGLES STAR, backed from 8’s to 4’s, just failed to overhaul PARIS BLU.

RACE 6: Equal favorites TAFEER & NOROCOS shared the minor placings behind LUCKY SONGS, backed at good odds after running on for 9th when 1st-up at Eagle Farm.

RACE 7: ESSINGTON, the $1.6 favorite, caught wide from bad alley, runs 3rd.

RACE 8: GOLDEN CASH, heavily backed, misses the start, never a hope.


 

Here’s our assessment of the meeting:

STAR OF THE SHOW: The whining bookies who got the lot but will still claim it was an ordinary day despite not one favorite winning.

BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT: From a punters’ perspective, that the jockeys didn’t decide to strike – it would have saved them plenty.

BEST RIDING PERFORMANCE: BOBBY EL-ISSA, staring down the barrel of a monumental problem at the Bold Glance inquiry, who put his best foot forward and showed plenty of vigor in landing a winning treble.

WORST RIDE: Scott Seamer on HIDDEN TREASURE, should have won instead of finishing 4th to PARIS BLU. Granted it drew wide, but he set it an enormous task.

WORST DECISION: The punting desperates who decided to have an omen bet at Echuca while the first at Doomben was delayed and invested on the losing quinella of FRANKIE LE SAUSAGE and MENAGE A TROIS.

UNLUCKIEST RUNNERS: HIDDEN TREASURE and ESSINGTON.

BIGGEST GO: RIVER LAD, which Glen Colless did everything but carry across the line, when 2nd to BULLET PROOF.

EYE-CATCHERS: TABULATE, BANANA KICK, BOOTOOLOO.

HORSES TO FOLLOW: HIDDEN TREASURE, KNEEL AND RAISE.
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Post by: Authorized on 2011-Mar-15, 10:33 AM

WORST DECISION: The punting desperates who decided to have an omen bet at Echuca while the first at Doomben was delayed and invested on the losing quinella of FRANKIE LE SAUSAGE and MENAGE A TROIS.

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  :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Mar-15, 02:35 PM
The Post Mortem is another welcome addition to this site........I usually wait for Wednesday to go there....now  I suppose it'll have to be Mondays/Tuesdays as well.

With Phil and  now young John  helping there'll be winners galore. :no1:

Just because the favs go down doesn't mean all punters lose.......I seldom back favourites............. especially the odds on ones in Brisbane. :rolleyes:

I don't think Essington was unlucky........he wasn't good enough imo.......the winner was a much better betting proposition at EW odds than odds on Essington.

Hidden Treasure was unlucky tho .......agree not one of Seamer's best rides. :thumbsd:

The  horse I'm putting on the one to follow list is VALERA........foot on the till imo. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Authorized on 2011-Mar-15, 02:43 PM
I tend to think Lucky Songs is the best mare in Queensland.
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2011-Mar-15, 03:02 PM
The favs got rolled cuz it was a crap meeting and they were pretty average commodities.

Hardly the death of QLD given what we are going to see in the coming months
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Mar-15, 10:04 PM
Now ya tell me, wily.

I've closed all my accounts after reading that nonsense this morning.  :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Mar-30, 02:35 PM
Such a big agenda we'll be flat out finishing it.  :lol:

Still some valid observations made in many cases........... :o

Albert W from Redcliffe gets his moneys worth..........he never misses........has a whinge every week. :shutup:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1517:wednesday-whinge-have-your-say&catid=42:qld-a-rest&Itemid=69
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Post by: Norton on 2011-Apr-01, 07:46 AM
Have heard the "scurilous rumour" about the TTC Committee bloke.  Suggest nothing in it to worry the TTC, just a lot of emotion up there due to the change agenda.  The Club is doing OK.  Whole place was rocking with great racing, a great crowd and plenty of happy faces.  Just a couple of Mr Miseries hanging about.  Still not so keen on the Cushion Track though.  Some horses just won't go a yard on it.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Apr-01, 07:33 PM
Tonight's tips from letsgo.  Not sure about the track rating. :unsu

EAGLE FARM – TRACK: DEAD 4

BEST BACKED: FILLYDELPHIA (R7) and SEEK AND FIND (R8).

OUR BEST EACH-WAY: BEVICO GIRL (R3) & CRAIGELLARCHIE (R7).

R1: OPEN

KEEN TO LAY FAV: AZZALAND has a stack of ability but hasn’t raced for more than a year and is easy in early betting from $2.6 to $3. He has won three of four 1st-up and looked good winning a recent Toowoomba trial.

MONASHEE DANCER, $4.2 to $4, bolted in last start over this track and distance in the heavy, looks set to lead and is just as effective on top of the ground.

HONEST TRUTH, $6.5, has not raced since November but won a recent Gold Coast trial and is right in this on his best form. KELLY, $7.5, returned to his best winning 2nd-up at Armidale.

R2: FILLIES & MARES CLASS 6

BIG WIN LAST START: LUCKY SONGS was $13 when she bolted in last start at Doomben. This time she is $2.25 to $2.4, which with the rise in weight and class doesn’t represent much value.

NO LUCK LAST RUN: FIGASAURUS, $6 to $5, was wide and held-up when 6th to LUCKY SONGS last start. She will be running on strongly.

MOTOWN LADY, $7, returns from a Victorian campaign which netted a Valley 3rd. She won over the mile here in January. SPANISH FLING has had no luck at three runs since 2nd in Listed grade here to CARIAD in January and is well over the odds at $17.

R3: TWO-YEAR-OLD

FAV EVERY HOPE LAST START: TRUE BLITZ, $2.8 to $3.2, had the race run to suit when a Doomben winner last start. He has a wide alley and a big weight.

BLACK CASH, $3.1 to $3.4, comes off a strong Gold Coast win and is being kept safe. LADY MARY, $7.5, was put away after a sound 5th in Listed grade in December at Eagle Farm. She has been trialling well. RUNAWAY RUBY is at $26 but could improve sharply on a luckless Sunshine Coast effort when she ran into trouble.

VALUE RUNNER: BEVICO GIRL, $5.5 to $6.5, was impatiently ridden when run down by TRUE BLITZ at Doomben. She gets her chance if ridden quietly in this.

R4: OPEN

CHASING FOUR STRAIGHT: AL MAZAYA, solid at $2.9, is flying with a hat-trick of wins, has the same weight as his latest and should take catching.

ACQUIRED, $3.5-$3.4, ended a long run of outs winning over the Doomben mile. This is harder but he is drawn to get the gun run. SANDERSON, $7, has been freshened since running 5th in tougher grade behind ROTHERA when the heavy track did not suit him.

VALUE RUNNER: LUCKY DUBAI, $6, is better than her latest 9th in Listed grade behind ROTHERA suggests. She could run over the top of these coming off a month’s break.

R5: CLASS 6, C, H & Gs

GETS AN EASY LEAD: MACHINATION, $4 to $4.4, looks set to get an easy lead and comes off an-the-way win on a heavy track over this track and distance.

SILENT MOVIE has been freshened since a fast finishing 3rd to CAT EYES at Eagle Farm in February and looks suited at this trip. HEARTSHAKER, $4.8-$6, caught the eye running home strongly for 2nd to MACHINATION last start. PLAYACTION, $6.5, is being kept safe but is coming off wins on the Cushion at the Sunshine Coast, so it is hard to line up the form.

VALUE RUNNER: GODS HAND, $11, got beaten midweek last start but struggled with a big weight. On his best form he would run straight over the top of these but he is hard to catch.

R6: ONE METRO WIN

UP IN TRIP: CRAQUELURE, $3 to $3.4, landed some good bets winning over the Doomben mile last week. He rises in weight but the extra trip should suit.

RED GOD, $4 to $4.6, comes off some good midweek form and looks ready for this assignment. BANANA KICK, $6.5, $7.5, came in for good support and had no luck behind CRAQUELURE last week. He can improve.

VALUE RUNNER: SCARLET JO, $5, is overdue after being placed at his last three starts and the 1800m of this looks ideal.

WILDCARD: PARIS BLU, $10-$8.5, the three-year-old stepping up to 1800m from a 1350m race last weekend, could lead these and take catching.

R7: THREE-YEAR-OLD

HEATHCOTE HOLDS KEY: The promising FILLYDELPHIA, 1st-up since September, has firmed from $3.8 to $3.4 early. The four-time winner had plenty in reserve when winning a recent trial. Her stable-mate EXCELLANTES, $6 to $5.5, was narrowly beaten 1st-up in mid-week grade but was strong late and the extra trip suits.

RUAPEHU BOY, $7, is flying at the Gold Coast where he has won his last three against easier company. ALTAI WARRIOR, $7.5, has not raced since failing at Randwick in December. His previous Brisbane form was good enough to win this and he charged home to win 1st-up last preparation.

VALUE RUNNER: CRAIGELLACHIE, $10, ran only 10th at Doomben last week when 2nd-up but should have finished much closer. He got held up on the fence and never got clear.

R8: NO METRO WIN

WELL BACKED FROM BAD ALLEY: SEEK AND FIND, $4.2 to $3.8, has plenty of speed but will need it to off-set a suicidal alley. There’s a ring of confidence but not sure he represents much value now.

DEE BEE NINE, $5-$6.5, from the Ryan stable caught the eye 1st-up in a mid-week at Doomben when he charged home for 2nd. He will be fitter and this should be run to suit.

MONDEAN, $5-$6.5, worked early when nailed on the line last week and gets in much better this time. GOD’S WINDOW, $8.5-$7.5, led to the 100m mark when 5th at Doomben over 1350m last start. The drop back in trip should suit.  
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Apr-05, 04:33 PM

POST MORTEM OF THE EAGLE FARM MEETING

STAR OF THE SHOW: Apprentice MITCHELL SPEERS with a winning treble on SIRENA LIGERA, CALLAN PARK and GOD’S HAND.

DOWNSIDE OF THE DAY: The rain which resulted in a wet track but at least the track recovered quickly and was upgraded from an earlier Heavy 8 to a Slow 6 by race five.

MOST IMPRESSIVE WINS: AZZALAND, 1st-up from a long spell, courtesy of a good training effort by Richie Stephenson and GOD’S HAND, labeled a non-winner but coming from last to produce his best for under-rated young trainer, Brad Herne.

BEST RIDES: DAMIEN BROWNE from a wide alley on EXCELLANTES and MITCHELL SPEERS who rode a patient race to change the fortune of GOD’S HAND.

WORST RIDE: JOE BOWDITCH on TYCOON TATTOO attacking the favorite in the first, MONASHEE DANCER and destroying the chances of both horses.

BEST GO OF DAY: FIGASAURUS, $5 to $2.7, but never gave a yelp when 5th to SIRENA LIGERA.

BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT: LUCKY SONGS, the $2.4 to $3 favorite, which was always struggling in the wet conditions behind SIRENA LIGERA.

UNLUCKIEST RUNNER: FILLYDELPHIA didn’t have much luck 1st-up when a fast finishing 4th to stablemate EXCELLANTES.

HORSES TO FOLLOW: VIKING HEART did nothing right and should still have nearly won when third to CALLAN PARK and FILLYDELPHIA, no luck 1st-up when 4th to EXCELLANTES.

STEWARDS INQUIRIES:

MONASHEE DANCER (R1, $3 to $3.1, 7th): Apprentice Michael Palmer explained that his mount was pressured for the lead from the 700m and did not quicken when placed under pressure in the straight. Trainer Bell said the month between runs may not have suited the horse.

LUCKY SONGS (R2, $2.4 to $3, 7th): Jockey Matthew Palmer explained that he was forced to travel three wide on the mare without cover. When placed under pressure in the straight she did not respond. Trainer Morrissey agreed with the jockey’s comments that she was not comfortable in the wet conditions.

TRUE BLITZ (R3, $3.8 to $4.4, 7th): Jockey Browne said the horse was slow to begin and could not muster early speed despite being ridden aggressively. It travelled comfortably when the pace slowed but once it quickened was under pressure again. In the straight he was unable to shift wider and then at the 100m he missed and run and was held up over the concluding stages.

SANDERSON (R4, $4.8 to $4.6, 8th): Stewards questioned the tactics adopted by jockey Holder in the early stages of the race where he settled at the rear of the field, in contrast to its most recent start. He said when he rode the horse vigorously to take up a position at its previous start it had wanted to over-race and that he had been instructed to take up a spot from the wide alley where the horse was comfortable. Sanderson was found to be lame after the race.

CHARTER BOAT (R5, $6 to $4.4, 8th): Jockey Rolls explained that the horse was forced to race wide but he felt it was not a distinct disadvantage due to the slow tempo. He said the horse never travelled comfortably and was better suited on a heavy track.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Apr-06, 09:33 AM
Today's Wednesday Whinge contains the following item:


IS IT FAIR ON PUNTERS FOR TOTES TO PAY ONLY MONEY BACK ON SHORTIES?

‘I refer to the William Reid Stakes (MR7) at Moonee Valley on 25 March. Black Caviar's TattsBet tote dividend was $1 for the win and $1.10 for the place.

Why do they permit a dividend to be only money back?

There was the possibility (however slim) of Black Caviar not winning.

An unwritten rule of gambling is if you can't win, you shouldn't be able to lose.

So why is this permitted?

At least a dividend of $1.01 allows the possibility of a win, and additionally may attract more punters, which I'm sure TattsBet would welcome.’ – Hugh Myers.

EDITOR’S NOTE: We asked the Queensland boss of TattsBet, Brad Tamer, for a reponse to this and here is what he had to say:

‘DIVIDENDS have been calculated the same way ever since the inception of the totalisator.

A commission rate is taken from the gross pool with the net pool returned to winning investors in the form of a dividend.

Totalisator dividends are purely and simply a reflection of how popular a particular runner or winning combination is with punters.

Punters such as you and I determine dividends, the totalisator does not.

What’s not widely understood or acknowledged is that there are numerous times over the course of a year when a winner’s true dividend is less than a dollar and in all my time with TattsBet I cannot remember a dividend being declared for less than $1 because TattsBet chooses to make up the difference to $1 without fanfare.

In the case of super stars such as Black Caviar I encourage you to compare TattsBet’s fixed price service, which is available on most Australian thoroughbred races, with the tote price.

In the case of the William Reid $1.10 a win was readily available about Black Caviar with TattsBet fixed price.

I hope my response helps you better understand the totalisator business.’  

Yes, Tamer is correct in his reponse, but what he should be saying is that the process for determining place divvies is inconsistent with that used in other parimutuel pools.

In TAB place pools the commission is removed, then the remaining pool is split three ways, and each equal portion is divided among those who backed the horse.

What should happen is the pool is split in 3, then the commission removed from each, then the remainder distributed among the winners.

If that was done, those who back shorter-priced horses get a fairer deal, and the number of money-back divvies would be greatly reduced.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Apr-14, 12:48 PM
A correspondent to Wednesday Whinge deals with the TAB's incorrect handling of place pools mentioned in the previous post.

AN INFORMATIVE EXPLANATION ON WHY SOME TAB DIVIDENDS ARE SO LOW

‘BRAD Tamer of TattsBet explained why tote win dividends are so low for horses like Black Caviar:

“Totalisator dividends are purely and simply a reflection of how popular a particular runner or winning combination is with punters”.

However, let it be understood that when TattsBet makes a dividend up to $1 that would otherwise be less than that, it is just putting back some of the commission or tax it has already deducted before working out the dividend. How generous!

The true inequity of money back dividends lies in the place dividend calculation, where for a three dividend race the net pool after statutory deductions is divided into three and dividends then calculated separately for each place-etter based on its equal share of the total net pool. Money back dividends are not a rare event here.

When Queensland Treasurer Gordon Chalk ordered the State-owned Queensland TAB back in the 1960s to pay a minimum money-back dividend, this combined with the way place dividends were calculated to expose the Queensland tote to manipulation. These manipulations made it necessary for EXTRA money to be added into the pool over and above what had been wagered in order to pay the guaranteed money back dividend.

The mistake cost the government so much money that it was forced to change the rules for the Queensland TAB (later UNiTAB then TattsBet) by introducing a place dividend rule which in 2009 said - “The authority operator must refund to the investors all investments made on a runner that places in a race and for which a dividend would otherwise be paid if.......for a 3 dividend race—more than 50% of the amount of all investments made on the place totalisator pool are made on the runner.”

Even with this rule in place a Canadian punter found a way to beat UNiTAB some years ago by  successfully manipulating dish-licker place pools to cost UNiTAB a reputed million dollars in losses when it was forced by its own rules to pay guaranteed money-back minimum dividends.

UNiTAB refused to pay but reportedly lost a subsequent court case, only fair given the punter had bet under rules laid down by UNiTAB!

The fact is that TattsBet’s place dividend rules, unless they’ve changed recently, are still theoretically open to manipulation, but the worst feature of the current place calculation is that the most favored placegetter ALWAYS gets a smaller share of losing bets than the other placed runners. In southern states totes it’s even more unfair, because historically place tote rules have provided that when a place dividend of less than money back happens, money is transferred from the other placegetters to bring that particular dividend back up.

I wrote to UNiTAB some years ago pointing this out, and proposing they use a new place dividend calculation I devised dubbed “Fair Shares”.

This involved dividing LOSING place bets (not the whole pool) into equal portions ie “fair shares”, then adding to each separate portion the winning bets on that placegetter, then making statutory deductions from each separate placegetter’s sub-pool, then calculating place dividends for each. (The order of doing this is important).

This got short shrift from UNiTAB, even though it would have removed any possibility of manipulation and would ALWAYS have paid better place dividends about favorites like Black Caviar than the present calculation does.

The “Fair Shares” calculation could also have provided place dividend forecasts during betting by forecasting what dividends would be “at least” by assuming for each runner in a three-dividend race that it and the other two MOST favored contestants would run a place. This assumption gives a forecast of what every starter’s place dividend should be AT LEAST.

Such a forecast place dividend would display on TV monitors as say 1.2+ under “Fair Shares” rather than as an exact(?) forecast of 1.10 as happens now. Given the way forecast dividends jump around in the last few minutes of betting, this would be a small compromise worth making in my view because of the many positives that would come with “Fair Shares”.

A further benefit if all totalisator operators in Australia adopted this much fairer and more sensible place calculation as standard would be the possible amalgamation of all place bets Australia-wide into a national place betting pool – this is apparently not possible at present because of the way different totes calculate guaranteed minimum dividends. – Ray Garske, Ashgrove.

EDITOR’S NOTE: I would like to thank you Ray for this very informative e-mail. It certainly sheds a whole new light on the subject and provides plenty of food for thought not only to those of us who remember the days of Sir Gordon Chalk but TAB punters of more recent generations.
 
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Apr-19, 07:58 PM
Post-Mortem from Doomben:

POST MORTEM OF THE DOOMBEN MEETING

STARS OF THE SHOW: Trainer RICHIE STEPHENSON and AZZALAND, which was doubted at the 1200m, but came out and won in Listed company claiming the scalps of smart gallopers FASTER SON and WOORIM in the process. He has won well now at two runs since a long spell.

DOWNSIDE OF THE DAY: The continuing run of rotten luck being experienced by top jockey Larry Cassidy on short priced favorites. Last week he was in more strife than the early explorers on certainty beaten, CAPTAIN CLAYTON and this time it was another heavily-backed runner from the Robbie Heathcote stable in FILLYDELPHIA. The biggest tip and heaviest backed runner on the day finished 10th but struck more than its share of trouble.

MOST IMPRESSIVE WIN: SHOW A PRINCE, storming home along the fence to win the Two-Year-Old and atoning for a defeat in the wet a week earlier.

BEST RIDE: Apprentice MITCHELL SPEERS on SHOW A PRINCE, coming from 10th on the fence. He copped time over an earlier incident in the race but it was a copybook performance in the straight.

WORST RIDE or VICTIM OF CIRCUMSTANCES: Apprentice JUSTIN WOOD on TOPPING when he copped a crack over the knuckles from stewards for not showing more aggression to race on the pace as he was instructed. Instead he got carted back by a tiring horse and his mount lost all chance.

BIGGEST PLONK: As much as $7 was bet in fixed odds about FEMINA FASHION which firmed to $3.8 favoritism and led for a strong win. The Gold Coast-trained mare had failed in tougher Listed grade in Sydney at her two previous starts.

BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT: FAB FEVOLA, backed from $3.4 to $2.5 when resuming after corrective surgery, was forced to work and dropped out from second on the turn to finish last of the 11. Her effort disappointed trainer Bryan Guy, not to mention the punters.

HORSES TO FOLLOW: WOORIM, LITTLE STRANGER, SANTO DE LAGO.

STEWARDS INQUIRIES OR ACTIONS AT DOOMBEN:

HAIZUM (R1, $3.8 to $3.4, 3rd): Apprentice Hellyer was asked to explain his riding of the horse in the early stages when after leading he restrained for a considerable distance to obtain cover. He said his instructions were to take up a forward position with cover. Hellyer conceded that this resulted in the horse racing ungenerously for some distance when he thought it would relax. Stewards told him they felt it would have been a better option to maintain the lead rather than restrain the horse in the manner that he did. STEWARDS also questioned HELLYER about the reasons for the winner DANAGAZE obtaining a run inside him at the 300m. They accepted his explanation.

COLLECTOR (R2, $10, 12th): Jockey Holder reported that the horse did not feel comfortable in its action.

FAB FEVOLA (R3, $3 to $2.5, Last): Jockey Browne said he rode the horse forward in an attempt to lead but it did not travel comfortably and put in a number of short strides after turning for home. Trainer Guy explained that the horse was resuming after corrective surgery and he was confident after its work and trial. He could not explain the poor performance but the horse pulled up with a slower than normal recovery rate.

HONEST TRUTH (R3, $4, 8th): Jockey Byrne said the horse travelled well but weakened from the 200m. He felt the horse would benefit from the race.

MR SHADOW BOXER (R4, $4 to $4.2, 6th): Jockey Colless reported that the horse was making an abnormal respiratory noise during the race.

MR NICHOLAS (R4, $7.5, 9th): Stewards have adjourned an inquiry into the ride of jockey Wharton from a point leaving the 1000m. They took evidence from trainer Heathcote, who also saddled up the winner, HEARTSHAKER.

TOPPING (R5, $5 to $5.5, 10th): Apprentice Justin Wood, questioned regarding his tactics, explained that he was able to gain a good position. However, he got onto heels at the 800m and was taken back through the field and did not gain clear running until the 300m. Trainer Michael Nolan expressed disappointment at the ride as he told apprentice Wood to position the horse in the lead or outside the leader. Whilst stewards took no action they told Wood he made an early error by not riding more aggressively to position outside the leader.

FILLYDELPHIA (R7, $2.2 to $2, 10th): Jockey Cassidy said his mount seemed to resent racing in restricted room in the middle stages after jumping awkwardly. In the early stages of the home straight it shied away from another runner. Once he got her balanced and she secured clear running the favorite ran on well considering the sprint home.
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Post by: Vintage on 2011-Apr-27, 09:22 PM
A follow up article on TAB dividends by one of our own in the Wedneday Whinge this week    emthup
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Apr-29, 08:11 AM
Well it's time punters got an appreciation of the extent of the rounding rip-off.

Might be time to say something about JACKPOTS. :rant:
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Post by: monologue on 2011-Apr-29, 09:30 AM
A good read dd and one can see from the story that you didn't play hookie too much from school.  :biggrin:
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Post by: gratlog on 2011-Apr-29, 10:38 AM
Did you actually read that, Mono?

Was there anything new in there?  :lol:

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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Apr-29, 02:24 PM
Did you actually read that, Mono?

Was there anything new in there?   :lol:  

There was for those who understand mathematics.  :lol:
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Post by: gratlog on 2011-Apr-29, 02:40 PM
Must have been why I didn't bother.  Anything over grade 4 stuff and I'm lost  :biggrin:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Apr-29, 05:32 PM
Quite a good summary dubbles  wrote.

The earlier post by  Ray has a couple of factual errors imo............no need to go into them tho. won't alter anything

When TAB Q was born it was owned by the State all unclaimed divvies and fractions went to consolidated  revenue,

When privatised the Govt very generously gave this bounty to UNiTAB and it's shareholders.

Now UNiTAb is left to run it's own race.................there's no oversight by the Govt...........supervision by Inspector of Totalisors on the calculation of dividends was done away with yonks ago.

As far as I know the Auditor General who used to have a role doesn't anymore.

Anything could happen now behind closed doors.

Probably unlikely but if the LNP wants to get a jump on Labor it could commit to handing  back these takeouts to the punters and the owners.

One thing  I don't accept is that  if the place pool is split in 3, and the 14% commission removed from each,that it would make any difference than taking the 14% from the  whole place pool as happens now..................the result has to be the same. 
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Apr-29, 05:41 PM
One thing  I don't accept is that  if the place pool is split in 3, and the 14% commission removed from each,that it would make any difference than taking the 14% from the  whole place pool as happens now..................the result has to be the same. 

Arsenal, Ray's point is totally correct.  Refer to his item on letsgo.

The operation is not quite as simple as I put it earlier.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Apr-29, 05:46 PM
I got a headache from reading yours dubbles and it was easier to read than Ray's. :whistle:


I need a holiday :bye:

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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Apr-29, 05:47 PM
I'll send ya some stuff when I dig it out.

I was gobsmacked at the difference.

The benefit is that money-back divvies are much less common.  Longer-priced divvies are marginally reduced.

BUTTTT...it's fair.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Apr-29, 10:17 PM
The site's comments on EF tomorrow:

EAGLE FARM – Track: HEAVY 8 – Overnight improvement anticipated.

BEST BACKED EARLY: MR ORIENT (R5) and LEVI'S CHOICE (R6).

OUR BEST EACH-WAY: SARGE IN CHARGE (R2) and LEVI’S CHOICE (R6)

R1: TWO-YEAR-OLD 1200m

THREE TOP HOPES: SPURTASTIC, $2.3 to $3, holds down marginal favoritism over LUCKY MORNA AND FLORIDA FELLOW at $3.2 in early markets.

SPURTASTIC has won two of three since a spell, the latest at Rockhampton and has won in the slow but does have 57.5kg.

LUCKY MORNA has run into wet tracks at her only two starts. She couldn’t muster early speed when flying home for 3rd to AMBER’S CROWN at Doomben and this trip should suit. She looks the one to beat.

FLORIDA FELLOW is the likely leader and was run down last start by the promising SHOW A PRINCE on dead going. His only query is the certain wet track here.

STRONG DEBUT: FERROKA, $12, ran on strongly to win on debut at the Gold Coast. He steps up in grade and onto a wet track.

 

R2: BENCHMARK 89 1000m

FAV UNKNOWN IN WET: ALESPRIT has surprisingly opened a $3.2 favorite considering he has never seen a wet track and has not raced for 10 weeks since winning over this trip at Doomben. We’re inclined to think he may ease in the market.

LOOKS THE ONE: SARGE IN CHARGE, at $3.7 in early markets, flew home to just miss when 2nd to FALVELINA at Doomben and has two heavy track placings. He is overdue.

FALVELINA, $4.8, meets SARGE IN CHARGE 2kg worse for beating him narrowly at Doomben when she sat just off the pace in a race not run to suit the back-markers.

ANYWAYS has not raced since August and hasn’t trialed publicly but is being kept safe at $6.5. The 1000m looks a bit short for him but she does handle the wet. BORSHA’S WARRIOR, $15, won on the heavy at the Sunshine Coast then had no luck when wide in the Listed Bribie.


 

R3: CLASS 6 1600m

STATS POINT TO FAV: HEARTSHAKER, $3, broke through for an overdue win at Doomben last start over this trip after three consecutive seconds, two of those in the wet.

MOTOWN LADY, $4.8, was well backed when 2nd to HEARTSHAKER last start and meets that horse 2kg better. She should be cherry ripe for this and has won in the slow.

CRAQUELURE, $6, has been freshened since a strong finishing Eagle Farm 3rd to RED GOD over 1800m in the slow. He gets back but his wet track credentials are excellent. The lightly-raced ONE TREE comes off a strong finishing Eagle Farm midweek win. He hasn’t raced for three weeks but placed at his only heavy track start.

R4: LISTED TAILS STAKES 2136m

HEATHCOTE STABLE HOLDS KEY: Trainer Rob Heatchcote has the first three of the first four in the market – OUR LUKAS the $3.8 favorite, TABULATE at $5 & Humma $7.

OUR LUKAS was nailed on the line by SCENIC SHOT over the Eagle Farm mile last Saturday. There is a good form pointer for him. He stepped up from a mile race last Winter to win the Ipswich Cup. He handles the wet but does have 59kg.

TABULATE returns from a failed hit and run mission on the Manion Cup at Rosehill. He’s the one with excellent stats at the track, the trip and in the wet.

Interestingly, Larry Cassidy has elected to stick with Toowoomba Cup winner HUMMA, the longest of the stable trio in the betting. He didn’t have a lot of luck when 4th to FEMINA FASHION  last start and handles the wet.

ROYAL REIGN, $4.8, is seen by market framers as the danger to the Heatchcote trio. He loves the track and trip, is racing very well and won’t be troubled by the wet.

VALUE RUNNER: SHUFFLE THE CASH, $6.5, has been mixing his distance and flying home. He loves this trip and grows a leg in the wet.

R5: TWO METRO WIN 1400m

TRICKY RACE: When one looks closely at the form for this race the thing that stands out is the number of runners that are performing consistently but struggling to win. DEE BEE NINE is not one of those and has been outstanding in three runs since a spell. His win in the wet in weaker grade at Eagle Farm two starts back has earned him favoritism at $4.2.

CHARMING ROGUE, $4.8, has struggled to regain the potential he once displayed but backs up from a strong finishing 4th to BORDER REBEL is tougher Listed class last week. He has won at the track and distance and handles the wet.

LUCKLESS LAST START: STEEL LIPS, $5, had no luck last start when 8th to SHUFFLE THE CASH. He has proved a nightmare for punters but has to be included in the top hopes.

MR ORIENT, $9 to $7, peaks after a sound and improved 3rd to TYCOON’S PRIDE at Doomben and has shown a liking for the wet. INFORMALITY, $6.5, failed in the Bribie at his first start for a new stable and had been racing in better company than this in Sydney beforehand.

R6: G3 GUNSYND CLASSIC, THREE-YEAR-OLD 1600m

LUCKLESS FILLY FAVORITE: Top jockey Larry Cassidy has found more trouble than Flash Gordon on FILLYDELPHIA, $3.8, at her two runs from a spell. She has run 4th at Doomben and 10th at Eagle Farm but never got a clear crack both times. One would assume she will go back from the wide alley and be left for a final crack but who would know in Brisbane racing these days. One her best she beats these.

NO LUCK LAST START: SLICE AND DICE, $5.5, never got clear when 5th to STEEL ZIP in Listed grade at Doomben but before that had won well in the heavy at Doomben.

SHOULD HAVE WON LAST START: LEVI’S CHOICE, $5.5 - $4.6, protested unsuccessfully when run off the track by LUCHA LIBRE in a Listed race at Randwick in the heavy last start. The only down-side is that he failed at his only mile start but might be more mature.

CHATEAU FORT, $8, is the only other runner under double figures early, coming off two strong wins for the Messara stable at his home track of Scone. He is unknown in the wet.

STABLE HAS KNOCKOUT HOPES: Trainer Kelso Wood has two nice hopes at good odds in IGLES STAR, $12 and MAN FROM OZ, $17. The lightly-raced MAN FROM OZ appeals to us at the value because he will be suited by the trip and is unbeaten in the wet.

R7: G2 VICTORY STAKES, Weight-For-Age 1200m

G1 GALAXY WINNER: ATOMIC FORCE, $2.8, one of the finds of the Sydney Autumn, courtesy of the heavy tracks, comes off a surprise win in The Galaxy. He has won three of his last four and loves the heavy. Nevertheless, he runs into some smart locals.

BIG DANGER: BUFFERING, $3.6, has not raced since finishing 4th to STAR WITNESS in a G1 at Flemington in the Spring. He mixed it with the best in Group company in Sydney and Melbourne last campaign, is unbeaten 1st-up and likes the wet.

ZERO ROCK, $3.8, another quality sprinter resuming, has won five of seven first-up and loves the track and distance but faces hot opposition at weight-for-age here.

AZZALAND, $7.5, a winner at two starts since a spell, comes off a Listed Bribie win and does handle the wet but this is a big step up in class.

VALUE RUNNER: ALBERT THE FAT, $14 to $12, struggled to reproduce his best last campaign but has won four of eight 1st-up; four of five at the track and distance and likes the wet.

R8: CLASS 6 1200m

FAVORITES A SHADE SURPISING: BELLETRIST, $4.8, is a surprising early favorite, coming off a close 2nd to DANAGAZE at Doomben. He gets in nicely after the claim but has no wet credentials. I’M RUTHLESS, $5.5, got home strongly when 4th to TYCOON’S PRIDE at Doomben but drops back in trip. His wet credentials are only fair.

CLASS GALLOPER RESUMING: GENERAL PURPLE, $7.5, has not raced since winning at Eagle Farm in September. He goes well fresh and likes the wet.

BIG IMPROVER: DR BARNARD, $15, has failed at two runs since a spell but grows a leg in the wet.

VALUE RUNNERS: SHOW A LION HEART, $15, has won his two starts since a spell at Ballina and Casinos. He has performed well in Brisbane company before and handles the wet. BRAMPTON, $10, the former Victorian, bolted in at the Gold Coast at his debut for a Queensland stable. He ran a good 2nd at Sandown in September but is a wet query.  
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-Apr-29, 10:19 PM
VALUE RUNNER: SHUFFLE THE CASH, $6.5, has been mixing his distance and flying home. He loves this trip and grows a leg in the wet.

The above comment is dead-set NOT true. :no:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-May-02, 09:17 AM
Post mortem from Saturday

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1579:the-monday-post-mortem-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-side-of-saturday-racing&catid=42:qld-a-rest&Itemid=69

Stewards asking lots of questions.............didn't find anything to take any of them further...........but they are watching closely. :thumbsup:

Cassidy told stewards Levi's Choice was "agitated" before the race...............lots of punters felt the same after his poor effort. :whistle:
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Post by: monologue on 2011-May-02, 09:40 AM
If you read between the lines it does seem there is a "thought" that at least one race a week is "on the nose" up here.

Apparently the best backed runner all day was the winner of the last at Eagle Farm who some say was a form reversal.
I backed it and thought it was one of the bets of the day taking in all things considered.

No secret phone calls from anyone to "just get on" but the horse was rated highly in most ratings and had had success on the "heavy"
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-May-02, 09:21 PM
If you read between the lines it does seem there is a "thought" that at least one race a week is "on the nose" up here.

Apparently the best backed runner all day was the winner of the last at Eagle Farm who some say was a form reversal.
I backed it and thought it was one of the bets of the day taking in all things considered.

No secret phone calls from anyone to "just get on" but the horse was rated highly in most ratings and had had success on the "heavy"

Great minds think alike.  emthup
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Post by: dubbledee on 2011-May-24, 07:23 AM
This week's Post-Mortem:

FEELING sorry for yourself after backing another odds-on loser in Brisbane racing? Spare a thought for the fruit cake in America who declared the end of the world would occur on Saturday.

Losers can be winners you know – just ask Harold Camping, the President of the Family Radio Network who declared the world would end and convinced a gullible section of the population to send him almost $A150 million.

Harold backed the biggest loser of all time on Saturday but emerged a winner. He dodges questions on whether he will refund the donations. It won’t matter when judgment day arrives, this apocalyptic lunatic declares – rather conveniently.


Ask the TAB or bookie who accepted your bets on the odds-on Hot Snitzel at Doomben on Saturday and in true Harold Camping style neither is likely to refund your hard-earned either.
That’s despite the fact that you had no chance after Corey Brown got caught three wide – something he reportedly apologized to connections for. Hot Snitzel joined that endless list – now well over 80 – of odds-on favorites that have been beaten at Queensland TAB meetings this season. Sounds incredible, but it’s true, the statisticians don’t lie.

Perhaps losing punters should adopt their own Harold Camping approach and they too could become winners. Instead of backing these odds-on favorites to win, punt on them to lose with Betfair and you too can enjoy that winning feeling.

The rantings of this doom and gloom lunatic aside, the racing world of Shane Scriven could come to an end this week. It is now at the mercy of QCAT (the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal).

Scriven made the most of what could be the swansong feature ride of his career with a copybook display on the West Australian Scenic Shot which pinched the Group One Doomben Cup from the imports My Kingdom of Fife and Glass Harmonium.

Hopefully justice will prevail and Scriven’s riding world won’t come to an end. Most agree a more appropriate penalty for his ‘whip pinching’ misdemeanor at Ipswich would be a hefty fine.

Perhaps if it had occurred in England way back when, he would have been deported to Australia. But in this day and age to dismiss the appeal and sideline the heavyweight jockey for up to five months would make a mockery of racing justice and any comeback would virtually be impossible.

What the Tribunal should order is a form of ‘community service’ in the racing industry for Scriven ordering him to spend time speaking with apprentices on the pit-falls of allowing a split-second brain-snap to wreck their riding careers.

On the subject of brain-snaps one could be forgiven for believing that is what happened to Hugh Bowman on the Mike Moroney-trained import Grand Harmonium in the Doomben Cup. It was a very strange tactical move. His explanation however was accepted by the RQ stewards.

Granted the bold going galloper may have been disadvantaged by the slow early pace but Bowman after taking the lead then decided to adopt ‘Pirate Bird’ tactics and it was a giant of a run to still finished a close third.

Richard Callander from TVN once suggested that it takes his good mate Hugh an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes. Those who invested their hard-earned on Grand Harmonium were wishing on Saturday that he had not elected to be uncharacteristically quick-thinking.

Hugh at least didn’t get ‘Off the Rails’ for the entire race like his mate Corey did on Hot Snitzel. Perhaps we have to make allowance for the New South Welshmen at this time of the year when Origin football comes around and they get accustomed to losing.

Speaking of losers, poor old Benny Elias changed stride and put his foot in his mouth big-time when he tried to compare the Blues as a greater threat to Queensland than the tragic floods.

Had this gaffe come from anyone but this poor goose, the Maroon fans might have taken it seriously. Fortunately many remember Benny as the bloke who once told a promising young footballer: ‘The world is your lobster.’

Speaking of form reversals, that ‘Wascally Wabbit’ Wodger James was hardly the punters’ pin-up boy despite Firebolt starting a heavily-backed favorite and winning the Lord Mayor’s Cup at Doomben on Saturday.

Yes, with that man Hugh in the saddle, bold front-running tactics were adopted on Firebolt which only a week earlier had over-raced and dropped out to run 10th in the Chairman’s. Back in distance, some key gear changes and James pulled a rabbit out of the hat – just what we have come to expect from these wily Kiwis.

When it came to pre-race predictions from the top trainers honors on Saturday were undoubtedly with Peter Snowden, who predicted Kanzan would take beating in the Glenlogan Park and warned that Divorces might be vulnerable in The Roses.

Just the opposite was again the case from that racing media pin-up boy in Sydney, Chris Waller, who declared his bet of the day – Beijing Boy – which was well backed and went like a dromedary in the McKell Cup. The carnival is certainly over in Sydney.

Down at Flemington it was the Mark Kavanagh stable that stole the show with the import December Draw emerging as a big hope in the spring Cups. His win in the Banjo Paterson heat was outstanding and certainly not the surprise that his OZ debut delivered.

Owner Richard Pegum, you might remember, was asked by Kavanagh why he didn’t get the ‘good one’ (My Kingdom of Fife), instead of December Draw. Pegum replied: ‘You did.’ After Saturday even the Crafty Kav might have been bowing to better judgment.

As far as the punters were concerned the Kavanagh stable went from the penthouse to the out-house in the space of five races. They watched in stunned silence as Rain Shadow saluted in the last. Stewards weren’t too impressed by the form reversal either.

But their questions fell on deaf ears. No-one could explain how it had managed to improve so dramatically after finishing 15th of 16 behind Sublimity at Caulfield and last of six (that was in a Group 3) at Morphettville.

It was left to stable foreman Merv Harvey to front the stipes and all he could offer was that the mare goes better at Flemington (that’s drawing a long bow, she’s won one from six there).

As for Kavanagh – well he was either at the bar for an after the last celebratory drink with connections or he has spent too much time in Adelaide where he would need directions to find the stewards’ room. Punters haven’t forgotten that time not that long ago when Shrapnel landed a plunge, turned in a form reversal and not a question was asked.

Before we look at the post mortem of the three east coast meetings from Saturday, a word of praise for that much-maligned group, the stewards. A special function in Sydney raised close to $50,000 for the James Perry Fund on Friday night.

What these guys, spearheaded by RVL chief Terry Bailey, have done for a colleague lost in the Queensland floods is truly remarkable. Their efforts will ensure that his wife does not struggle to raise and educate son, Teddy, after being left in dire circumstances.

HERE’S OUR POST-MORTEM OF THE DOOMBEN MEETING:

STARS OF THE SHOW: SCENIC SHOT and SHANE SCRIVEN. It was their second Doomben Cup win and hopefully not the last big race win for the popular jockey whose career is in the hands of the Appeals Tribunal this week.

BEST RIDE: DAMIAN BROWNE, for the second successive week, for his winning ride on WOORIM, bringing the Robbie Heathcote-trained galloper from near last on the turn – and overcoming traffic – to win the BTC Sprint. Unfortunately, when pushing into the clear, he caused some interference and copped a seven-meeting suspension.

BAD RIDE OR VICTIM OF CIRCUMSTANCES: Hugh Bowman on Glass Harmonium in the Doomben Cup. Stewards did question and accept his explanation that the mare got fired up and then he let her run because he didn’t want to disrupt her balance or momentum. There was never a chance of that happening.

BEST WINS OF THE DAY: WOORIM (BRC Cup) and SCARLETT LADY, the Kiwi filly in The Roses, now favorite for the Queensland Oaks.

BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENTS: SHOOT OUT, well backed but again disappointing when 5th in the Doomben Cup. Before we know it the ‘experts in the south’ will be calling for John Wallace to be dumped as the trainer. Hopefully the owners will give the horse a spell and bring him back for the spring before making any silly decisions. OUR LUKAS, well fancied in the Lord Mayor’s Cup, but dropped out to run last. Larry Cassidy may have gassed him early but FIREBOLT broke his heart and the Heathcote-trained galloper showed little fight.

BIGGEST FORM REVERSAL: FIREBOLT, tracked the leader, over-raced, dropped out to run 10th in the Chairman’s Handicap at Doomben a week early. Comes back in trip, responds to important gear changes, proved too strong with a bold front-running performance. The ‘back in trip’ theory falls on deaf ears with us as he had won at the track and distance at is only previous try. The racing media can look at this through all the rose-colored glasses they like, it was a massive form reversal in the space of a week and the horse was very heavily backed.

MOST SUCCESSFUL BETTING MOVE: VAREENA MISS from $3.2 in fixed odds early markets to $1.9 in the opening race. How the TAB market framers could price this mare as highly at $3.2 is hard to explain when she was in a Two Metro Win after finishing 4th in the Oakleigh Plate. There were also successful plunges landed on SCARLETT LADY, $6 to $3.8 and FALINO from $17 to $9.5.

LEAST SUCCESSFUL BETTING MOVE: HOT SNITZEL was backed from $2 to $1.45 but got trapped off the track and finished third to FREE WHEELING in the Champagne Classic. Some very big bets were lost on this runner from the Gerald Ryan stable.

PUNTERS V BOOKIES: Only three favorites were successful on the eight race card but there were some very well backed winners and some bookies could have struggled to win.

IN THE STEWARDS’ HOT-SEAT: LARRY CASSIDY over OUR LUKAS and SOLZHENITSYN; COREY BROWN after being caught wide on HOT SNITZEL; CHRIS MUNCE, luckless on ZERO ROCK; HUGH BOWMAN after his ride on GLASS HARMONIUM.

UNLUCKY RUNNERS: RETURNTOSENDER was blocked for a run until inside the 100m mark when a fast finishing 3rd to KANZAN in the Glenlogan Park Stakes. READY TO RIP after drawing off the track went back after being caught wide then got held up for a run until inside the 100m and should have finished closer than 5th. HEIDELICIOUS reared at the start, came from last, held up for clear running until the 200m.

HORSES TO FOLLOW: SOLZHENITSYN, HEIDELICIOUS, ZERO ROCK, READY TO RIP.

STEWARDS INQUIRIES OR ACTIONS AT DOOMBEN:

SOLZHENITSYN (R1, $14, 15th to 6th): TACTICS QUERIED. Jockey Larry Cassidy said he had been told to ride the horse midfield but from a bad barrier had to restrain closer to the rear rather than be trapped wide. He said the horse finished strongly when it got into the clear and would be suited by further.

OUR LUKAS (R2, $4.8, 2nd to LAST): PERFORMANCE QUERIED. Jockey Larry Cassidy said the horse was reluctant to jump with the field. After it missed the start he rode aggressively to take up a forward position, as is the horse’s normal pattern. He said it was immediately under pressure passing the 900m. Trainer Heathcote said he was confident the horse would race well and could offer no explanation for the disappointing performance.

HOT SNITZEL (R3, $1.45, 3rd): Jockey Corey Brown explained that when he tried to move from a wide position into the one out one back near the 800m the horse was very field shy, hung out and continued to race greenly.

ZERO ROCK (R5, $7.5, 2nd): Jockey Munce was asked when he did not continue to press forward for the lead rather than be caught wide. He said the mare seemed to have lost some of her customary early speed and he was unable to match ALVERTA and RETURNTOSENDER inside him. Whilst the speed slackened in the middle stages he felt he had already expended too much energy to continue to press forward considering the work he had done early from a wide barrier.

GLASS HARMONIUM (R7, $3.7, 3rd): Jockey Bowman was asked to explain his decision to leave a trailing position at the 1600m to take up the lead approaching the 1400m. He said the horse was over-racing and then when SHOOT OUT improved onto her heels the mare wanted to race fiercely. Whilst the mare opened up a big lead when he went to the front he did not want to overly restrain her and wanted to maintain her balance and momentum.   
 
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Post by: jfc on 2011-May-24, 07:53 AM
Apropos those suggested improvements for fairer place calculation.

At first glance they also appear to be wrong.

There is no point suggesting such improvements - unless they are watertight.

And if further insanity was needed the most insane of insanities (bar eliminating jackpots) is a national pool, which is merely shovelling even more kickback-polluted gains to Zeljko.

I am currently trying to formulate a watertight solution, and will publish it on an apt thread here, once I've knocked it into submission.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Jun-07, 10:26 AM
A few clever samples of  comments by our cousins from across the ditch ..............  :clap2:

all credit to www.letsgohorseracing.com :no1:

Doesn’t it get up your nose when these invaders from across the Ditch not only plunder the carnival riches but can’t stop telling you how much better they are? Have you ever stopped to think though, what the Kiwis would be successful at if they couldn’t play rugby or train racehorses?


Here’s an example of some of the rocket scientists they have in their rugby sides in case you care to fire back at that Kiwi ribbing you over how much smarter his countrymen are in horse racing.


Ask them if they know how the horse Oforawesome got its name? It followed a faux pas by an Auckland-based boxer on a game show across the Tasman. Asked what letter he would like, he replied: ‘O’ for Awesome.


And here are a couple of other gems from the Kiwi rugby geniuses who no doubt rub shoulders with their thoroughbred mates from time to time:


Jono Gibbs, of the Chiefs: ‘Nobody in Rugby should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Enstein.’


Rodney So’ialo, of the Hurricanes, when asked about University: ‘I’m going to graduate on time, no matter how long it takes.’


Colin Cooper, the Hurricanes Head Coach: ‘You guys line up alphabetically by height’ and ‘You guys pair up in groups of three, then line-up in a circle.’


Chris Mascoe, also of the Hurricanes, on whether he had visited the Pyramids during a visit to Egypt: ‘I can’t really remember the names of the clubs that we went to.’


Kevin Senio, of Auckland, when asked to compare night Rugby with day games: ‘It’s basically the same, just darker.’


David Holwell, also from these geniuses at the Hurricanes, when asked about the up-coming season: ‘I want to reach 150 or 200 points this season, whichever comes first.’


Jerry Collins: ‘I’ve never had major knee surgery on any other part of my body.’


Tony Umaga: ‘I owe a lot to my parents, especially my mother and father.’


Doc Mayhew: ‘Sure there have been injuries and deaths in rugby, but none of them serious.’


When asked: Have you ever thought of writing your autobiography, Tana Umaga replied: ‘On what!’

   :lol:     :lol:     :lol:     :lol:     :lol:  

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Post by: Bright Spark on 2011-Sep-21, 01:55 PM
Some Interesting Comments and E-Mails in Today's "Wednesday Whinge"
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Post by: Ascot on 2011-Sep-21, 02:43 PM
Specifically?
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Post by: Bright Spark on 2011-Sep-22, 03:58 PM
The Grocery Packer!!
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Oct-05, 09:50 PM
"IT'S A BIT RICH THIS BIG BOOKIE BAGGING TOP JOCKEY AND PRO PUNTER LINK
‘THOUGHT you might like to know about the high profile bookmaker who is declaring one of the leading jockeys in the land a big punter and claiming he is linked to a top professional punter?

The old story of people who live in glass houses certainly applies to him. Stewards should haul him in and ask him to explain his allegations before this gets totally out of hand.

They should also ask him if a top jockey is tipping to him and have a good look at how he operates his book or examine his family betting accounts when this bloke is riding a fancied runner.


The bookie is giving some mischief-making claims about one of the best jockeys in the land being associated with one of the country’s biggest professional punters a good send around as well.


Like the story about Peter Moody having 46 positive swabs when he had only one, this has lost nothing in the telling. It's total crap.


The bookie in question needs to be very careful because both the top jockey and the professional punter are aware of what he has been saying and have a leading lawyer considering grounds for defamation action.’ – Clem Eales, Melbourne.

EDITOR’S NOTE: I guess for some people old habits die hard Clem. I have heard all this crap and cannot believe that stewards aren't aware of it as well and haven't asked him to explain. Then again this bloke once had the chief steward in a top jurisdiction on his speed dial and reportedly milked it for all it was worth. He lost a lot of respect  back then and is losing even more now. Perhaps he should keep his mouth shut when it comes to bagging racing identities that he doesn't even know before someone with some knowledge of the racing game starts chatting with stewards about the jockeys he apparently has on his speed dial."

The poster if genuine comes from Melbourne suggesting that's where the bookie operates.........maybe the Melbourne stewards and/or the guy in charge of Integrity should follow this up.....first step establish if there is a "Clem Eales" and if so is this his work and what does he know?

I won't hold my breath waiting for some action. :o
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Post by: The Baker on 2011-Oct-06, 06:34 AM
Arsy

This is what I was alluding to on the other thread. I don't know Clem, but I do know it has a 3 state connection and is not something that should be spoken about on a forum like this until one of the parties takes some action and brings it out into the open, as high profile people's reputations are at stake.

I would think that the editor of LGH is close to the money as he was with all the Moody rumours.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Oct-26, 08:22 PM
JASON BABAROVICH ON THE MEND AFTER SUFFERING HEART ATTACK

MEANWHILE leading Townsville rider Jason Babarovich who suffered a heart attack in August while riding work at Cluden has finally won a battle with WorkCover to provide him with funds after a nine weeks wait. And he says he didn’t receive a red cent from the Jockeys Association.

“The QJA said they would pay me, but they didn’t.

“And then they found out that WorkCover had agreed to pay me the dole so that was the end of that.

“Then WorkCover wanted me to write an essay on the hazards of riding track work,” said the jock.

What next?

Well next for Jason is a visit to his heart specialist on November 17 when he expects to get the all-clear to return to the saddle.

“I hope to be back race riding over the Christmas-New Year period,’’ said the popular lightweight.


COLUMN COURTESY OF TERRY BUTTS AND THE NORTH QUEENSLAND REGISTER, one of Australia's leading rural newspapers.

TERRY BUTTS can be contacted by e-mailing: butts@beyond.net.auThis e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

This is a pretty poor show imo...........giving him the dole doesn't seem adequate......should be entitled to better than that......... an average of his earnings would be more appropriate.  >:(
And QJA if what he says is true should smarten up bigtime...........neglecting their obligations appalling behaviour. :stop:

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Post by: The Baker on 2011-Oct-28, 08:52 AM
Yes Arsy

It doesn't look good and would like to hear the other side of the story from the QJA.

Great article today on LGH about the GCTC election. I think things will be a little bit frosty at the first meeting between the two chairmen.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Dec-21, 08:54 PM
Latest controversy is the Terry Butts story ..........who is in hot water for a piece he wrote about Daryl Hansen and his comments over the positive swab of one of his string.Following is an extract from  www.letsgohorseracing.com.au

AN ALARMING INQUIRY THAT THREATENS JOURNALISTIC INDEPENDENCE

BEFORE launching into the WEDNESDAY WHINGE this week we want to inform visitors to our web site about an inquiry in Townsville today where Racing Queensland stewards have instructed our columnist TERRY BUTTS to appear as a LICENSED TRAINER over a ‘SILKS AND SADDLES’ column he wrote as a RACING JOURNALIST.

Before we start ranting and raving about the protection of journalistic independence and the rights or wrongs of our belief that stewards are misusing or abusing their powers against a licensee in relation to something that he wrote as a journalist, we want to wait and see what happens at this hearing.

These are the facts: Butts wrote a column piece, which you can read below, in which he quoted trainer Daryl Hansen as being critical of swabbing procedures. This web site, in that column, offered RQ Integrity boss Jamie Orchard the right of reply and even questioned RQ Chairman Bob Bentley as to why this had not been received. To this day there has been no explanation of, denial or even a challenge to what Hansen claimed in the Butts’ article.

We have statutory declarations from Hansen and his lawyer, Peter Boyce, to the effect that the facts as quoted by Butts in the column were correct. Yet RQ Chief Steward Wade Birch sent the following e-mail to Butts:

‘RQL stewards intend opening an inquiry into a recent article attributed to you in relation to swab testing procedures that was published in the North Queensland Register and on the ‘letsgohorseracing’ website.

The inquiry will be held at the Townsville offices of RQL on Monday, the 5th of December 2011 at 3.30 pm. (Because Butts was travelling to Hong Kong to cover International Week the matter was postponed until today (Wednesday, December 21 2011).

You are hereby directed to attend the inquiry with any evidence or witnesses upon which you intend to rely.”

Well that’s all very nice except that Terry Butts was working in his capacity as a racing journalist at the time and our legal advice – from nationally respected racing lawyers – is that RQL cannot use their powers over him as a licensee to direct him to do anything when he is working as a racing journalist. He can only provide witnesses or evidence if he has done something wrong – and he hasn’t.

We are not suggesting that they are attempting to censor what he writes. Others are. We are not suggesting this has something to do with other issues he has raised concerning RQ Integrity in the north in his column. Others are.

But what we are suggesting is that RQL are treading into very dangerous Freedom of the Press territory if they take any action – such as a charge of bringing the industry into disrepute – simply because Butts is a licensee.

Terry has been a lot of things over the years – including a journalist, a bookmaker, a trainer and an owner. But during all that time he has first and foremost been a respected racing writer in many parts of the world.

One has to question why RQL Integrity have blamed him for the column that was critical of their swabbing procedures when all he did was quote trainer Daryl Hansen – yet at this stage they have not cited Hansen to appear at any inquiry to explain what he alleged in the column or challenged what he had to say.

Butts has some heavy-hitting legal representatives in his corner, including Barry Taylor and one of the foremost racing lawyers in the land in Victorian Dr Cliff Pannam QC.

It is a farcical situation when a journalist could be charged by stewards because he happens to be a licensee. It creates a dangerous precedent not to mention the cost of fighting this situation legally – both from his personal point of view but that of Racing Queensland.

There is said to be no interference between the RQ Board and its Integrity Department but at the end of the day it is industry money that will be used if this matter ends up in QCAT or heaven-forbid even at a higher court level. But rest assured it will go that far to protect the rights of individuals in the unique situation like Butts finds himself – regardless of the cost.

We await with interest the outcome of today’s inquiry – which we understand Wade Birch, chairman RQL stewards, will be in Townsville for.

Regardless of what happens at this inquiry this website will continue to criticize the RQ Integrity Department when we believe it is justified whether they like it or not.’ – LGHR EDITOR.

 

Here is the column piece from November that has caused this inquiry to be called:

TRAINER Daryl Hansen has questioned the swab testing procedures in Queensland and the general protocol of Racing Queensland’s Integrity Department after being told last week he had another positive swab.

Hansen said he was absolutely devastated when informed by steward Daniel Aurisch that one of his horses had returned a high bi-carb level after a pre-race swab at Eagle Farm on November 12.

The horse in fact did not have a high level, but the trainer claims if it wasn’t for his insistence to have the swab re-tested  he may well  have ‘gone for another six months’.

Hansen is already waiting a penalty yet to be decided by QCAT after losing an appeal earlier this month to a similar elevated bi-carb charge involving his stable star Essington.  He has already stated however that he will appeal any penalty in a higher court.

This latest case involves the horse Show Me An Ace which finished near last in the final race at Eagle Farm on November 12,

When informed by Steward Aurisch last Tuesday that the horse had returned a positive, Hansen said: “You have to be kidding”.

The steward then announced there was to be a search of his Corbould Park training base.

DARYL Hansen’s lawyer Peter Boyce last Thursday requested the sample be re-tested, but according to Hansen, the request was denied.

Integrity Chief Jamie Orchard allegedly said: “That won’t be happening” and according to the trainer, Orchard quoted a rule that stated the granting of such requests was at the sole discretion of stewards.

“Besides, they said a swab sample was no longer available.

“I was absolutely devastated,” said Hansen.

His lawyer then spoke to the testing laboratory in Melbourne where a referee swab had been forwarded, and also to the testing laboratory in Brisbane.

They claim RQ seemed somewhat ‘peeved’ by this action, but two hours later Hansen was advised, with no apologies, that the swab was clear.

“There as just no way the swab could have been positive,” said the trainer.

EDITOR’S NOTE: The Racing Queensland Integrity Department is welcome to respond to these alarming allegations should they wish to provide an explanation.

 

CLAIMS THE RQ BOARD IS KEEN TO SILENCE THE LETSGOHORSERACING WEBSITE

WITHIN hours of our story on the Butts inquiry appearing on the web site we had several e-mails – some so critical of Racing Queensland and its Integrity Department that we are unable to run them for defamatory reasons.

We have decided to run only one that hopefully gets the general message across.

‘NO doubt Racing Queensland boss Bob Bentley would be delighted to see his beloved Integrity crew move to silence Terry Butts who has been a thorn in their side for some time now.

The fact that they have used a loophole to order him to attend an inquiry because he is a licensed person is not only a disgraceful misuse of powers but also shows the degree that RQ will lower itself to these days to halt any form of criticism.

All Butts was doing was his job as a journalist. It is outrageous to think an organization would try to silence him because he is a licensed trainer. This was the sort of thing we expected back in the Joh – Hinze era and to think a Labor Government supports this Board.

Perhaps you should know that a high profile member of the Board has been running around for some time saying something has to be done to rein in your web site because it is too critical of RQ and causing some internal problems with staff.

I won’t comment too much on Integrity in Brisbane because I am North Queensland based but I can tell you the operation of the stewards in this region is a far cry from the days when Alan Cooper ran the show with an iron fist. This entire bunch should be shown the door when the department is restructured after the next election.

What RQ is doing to Terry Butts is the exact reason that even months out from an election the LNP answered growing concerns within the industry and promised that when elected Integrity would be separated from RQ which the Board claims it is but this inquiry shows is nothing more than a myth.’ – Vince Grogan, Townsville.

EDITOR’S NOTE: I have spoken to RQ Chairman Bob Bentley about these suggestions that there are hidden motives in the Butts inquiry involving our website. He denies it and I accept what he says. But if this Butts situation turns belly-up we may just take up an offer to have some information concerning RQ that we have received that is too hot to handle voiced in another forum. Let’s wait and see what happens today. I am yet to be convinced that the Integrity legal advice would be so bad that they would attack the journalist who was just quoting a trainer critical of the swabbing procedures regardless of whether he is a licensee or not. At the end of the day Terry Butts will not be silenced nor will this web site.

It seems to me that stewards are on a hiding to nothing pursuing thiis...... I can't see what Butts has done wrong......simply reporting on a story and attributing the quotes to the  subject who he interviewed........... :shrug:

My memory tells me Terry Butts was given a show cause notice some few years back following something he published....but I don't recall the outcome although it was commented on by my good self at the time. :bulb:

There have been  numerous articles in the mainstream media criticising RQL and Bob Bentley some of which could be held to be detrimental to the image of racing but none attracted the same attention as Butts's piece. :o

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Post by: Bright Spark on 2011-Dec-21, 10:06 PM
From memory Sir Terrence won last time, Qld Racing "settled"?
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Post by: The Baker on 2011-Dec-22, 06:38 AM
Arsy

You are dead set right, but it looks like Bob is trying to frame Butts as a square up for previous losses to him.

If Hansen and his solicitor have signed stat decs. to say they have been quoted correctly, then the stewards should be hauling them into an inquiry and charging them if the statements are not correct. Butts is only the messenger and they are sure trying to "shoot" him.
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Post by: overdue on 2011-Dec-23, 02:43 PM
But we are talking about racing Queensland remember  :bulb:  :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2011-Dec-28, 09:33 AM
An entertaining and tongue in cheek story with great imagination and graphics in this issue of letsgohorseracing.  :lol:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1308:horsing-around-godfrey-smith-lists-his-new-year-awards-and-takes-a-special-look-at-qld-racing&catid=42:qld-a-rest&Itemid=69
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Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Jan-02, 05:43 PM
Resume on Saturday's meetings suggest there was a "boatie" on the eastern seaboard the four legged kind :o

Although not specific which race or where it was run ...................suggesting it was one that was left alone in front ......narrows it down considerably. :shutup:
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Post by: Antitab# on 2012-Jan-02, 05:48 PM
The betting didnt suggest a boat race but Audacious Spirit got the easiest lead I have ever seen. At best it was a non competitive race.
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Post by: Kurban on 2012-Jan-02, 06:59 PM
Bad to hear that stuff, esp if you are an owner in said race. Not to mention some who likes integrity when the punt. What a bloody shame. :rant:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Jan-02, 08:49 PM
Well if that was a boat-race, they musta kept it secret.    :lol:

Or maybe those who knew don't bet.  :lol:
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Post by: Antitab# on 2012-Jan-03, 06:01 AM
Not according to Brisbanes biggest bookmaker.

Race 2 – Audacious Spirit $3.50, Miss Barwang $6.00 and Purettan $9.50

This winner Audacious Spirited created a bad result as he was heavily backed and some of the biggest bets I laid all day were landed on this winner. The biggest single bet I laid took out $25,000 – amongst a string of other bets.

Dux Bellorum was specked in the betting as was Catashee and money arrived late in proceedings for Heart To Fear at $7.

I can assure you we were well behind the eight ball after the first two races
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Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Jan-03, 08:00 AM
I'd expect that bet would be a standard outlay for one prominent owner.

The horse was subject of bigger bets at GC previous run by all reports.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Jan-03, 07:13 PM
Well if that was a boat-race, they musta kept it secret.     :lol:  

Or maybe those who knew don't bet.   :lol:  


More likely that those who know don't tell. :shutup:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Jan-04, 08:09 AM
Headlines in the Whinge section today are all about the Terry Butts saga......no support for RQL's apparent vendetta and on face value it looks like RQL are on a hiding to nothing.

JL disclose a little inside info on his time with RQ when withdrawing media accreditation  from a couple of local scribes was contemplated  until he convinced them  it was not a very good idea.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Ascot on 2012-Jan-04, 11:04 AM
My info is that DD is spot on.  They left it in previous start when the bet was huge.  They went after it with justifiable confidence at Doomben and got the bickies.  Just good punting on good form.
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Post by: vadim on 2012-Jan-04, 11:50 AM
My info is that DD is spot on.  They left it in previous start when the bet was huge.  They went after it with justifiable confidence at Doomben and got the bickies.  Just good punting on good form.

  :lol:
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Post by: Frosty on 2012-Jan-04, 02:15 PM
My info is that DD is spot on.  They left it in previous start when the bet was huge.  They went after it with justifiable confidence at Doomben and got the bickies.  Just good punting on good form.

 :love:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Jan-09, 09:57 AM
I assume the retired racing journo means "wrap":

RAP FOR THE GOLD COAST STEWARDS: GOOD to see WADE BIRCH and his panel querying high profile jockeys (like GLEN COLLESS) over riding tactics whether they like it or not. It won’t hurt to fire an early shot or two across the bows of those who will carry the hopes of thousands of dollars of punters’ investments at the big Millions meeting next weekend.  
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Post by: sobig on 2012-Jan-09, 03:58 PM
I assume the retired racing journo means "wrap":

RAP FOR THE GOLD COAST STEWARDS: GOOD to see WADE BIRCH and his panel querying high profile jockeys (like GLEN COLLESS) over riding tactics whether they like it or not. It won’t hurt to fire an early shot or two across the bows of those who will carry the hopes of thousands of dollars of punters’ investments at the big Millions meeting next weekend.  


He might be composing a "song" about them DD

  :lol:
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Post by: Vintage on 2012-Jan-09, 04:10 PM
I thought the below comment in the stewards report off the mark however.

Stewards advised both parties that in their view it would have been a better option to ride GOLDEN CYGNET more conservatively bearing in mind the step up in class from its most recent start but were not of the view that further action was warranted.

If you are racing up in class therefore you need to be written conservatively seems to me a baseless statement - I don't know how they are going to police this gem.

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Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Jan-09, 05:13 PM
The horse missed the kick badly from memory, and then went on what - to a reasonable person watching - seemed like a suicide mission.  I think she has some problems though.  Looked a good run.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Jan-12, 02:28 PM
Scary incident involving the winner of yesterday's opener at EF and rider Chris Munce.

Coming to the turn, I thought "Well the fav can't win".  But win it did. 

Was Munce's last ride for the day.  There was an explanation...

http://www.horseracingonly.com.au/racing-article.aspx?id=1478
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Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Jan-19, 08:12 PM
No surprise that the main topic of discussion on this week's Wednesday Whinge is the Gold Coast protest.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2089:wednesday-whinge-have-your-say&catid=42:qld-a-rest&Itemid=69

This is from an opinion piece in the SMH by Chris Roots reproduced on the WW

It might be time for the protests to be taken out of jockeys', trainers' and connections' hands and leave it to someone independent of the stewards' panel at the track. This would have to be a person well experienced in racing, who understands the complexities of the sport.
Most cases of interference are obvious. The shift from No Looking Back was clear on Saturday and an independent body would have fired in an objection immediately.
Instead of jockeys giving statements, the independent official could run the case and stewards could ask questions. It would take the pressure off jockeys, trainers and owners.
They would still have a role to play but would not be responsible for pushing the case.

 I don't see any merit in this suggestion even if they could find  anyone better qualified than the stewards........ there are likely to be disappointments and disagreements whoever has the aurthority.

Imagine implementing this in Qld ......who would be first in line.......the experienced adjudicators on QCAT who are continually criticised in the racing media for their lack of knowledge and understanding of the racing industry. :o

The independent umpire suggestion attracted the support of one Sydneysider who thinks it should be taken a bit further and exclude owners from the room during protests. :thumbsd:

This would be a denial of their right to natural justice IMO and will never get up in any fair system.

I didn't see the TV vision of the stewards room on Saturday and it would have been standing room only if all the syndicate members and part owners of the contestants were allowed in.....there has to be limits on the space  available......maybe only the managers got entry which should satisfy the owners.

Another hard hitting contribution from our local race caller all het up over the protest opined it should have been dismissed on his assertion it didn't satisfy the test of " beyond all reasonable doubt."....... but that's not how the stewards saw it. :bulb:

He quoted former steward John Schreck's line "when in doubt throw it out" but that clearly wasn't the case in the minds of the stewards on the day.

Protests are covered in the Aust Rules of Racing eg: R136 and R 165 stewards power "to determine all questions arising or objections"is in AR8.


RQL has published it's policies on the Rules and control of racing and whilst  protests are not specifically mentioned the policy on decision making by stewards would be the relevant policy in this case.


http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/media/10330/(n)_policy_for_decision_making_by_stewards%2081(n)%20-%20v1.02.pdf

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Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Jan-20, 05:17 PM
There's also another long winded whinge from some disgruntled BRC members on the club's finances to which the BRC chairman responded in much briefer detail than he did to their previous complaint.....and they've been invited to come in and discuss the issue.

Not much chance of that happening......they don't want to be identified......for fear of................getting a tongue lashing......or something worse. :o

Very strange that members who have concerns are frightened to raise them openly.......the BRC isn't a modern day Murder Inc. :rolleyes:

They look pretty harmless from what I,ve seen. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Jan-25, 08:41 AM
Whoever said variety is the spice of life is on the money once again .............this week's  emails to John Lingard's popular Wednesday Whinge column providing something for everyone. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2100:wednesday-whinge-have-your-say-in-one-of-the-most-read-racing-gossip-columns-in-the-country&catid=42:qld-a-rest&Itemid=69

Not to be missed. :no1:
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Post by: randwick on 2012-Feb-10, 05:05 PM
Does this site act as mouthpiece for Bob Bentley and or Racing Queensland? Looking on from afar they always seem to get the "Bentley Blast" on page as quickly as RQ themselves. Never seem to have problem getting reply from RQ!
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Post by: Bright Spark on 2012-Feb-14, 01:58 PM
Good Reading again today with Sir Terence's "Silks 'N' Saddles" Column!!!
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Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Feb-15, 08:18 AM
From the current edition of the Wednesday Whinge......the Oscar goes to..Barry Gardner.....is this for real :shrug:

SUPPORT FOR KEVIN DIXON AND KEY SEYMOUR FROM THE COUNTRY

‘HOW much longer is your grubby web site going to act as a ‘mouth piece’ for the Bentley Board and his rapidly decreasing support group?

Plenty of us are fed up with the constant sniping at Kevin Dixon, the best man to lead racing in Queensland out of the mess it has been in for too long.

No-one will want to even read the Wednesday Whinge after the Dixon Board takes control of racing in Queensland. You should have taken a leaf out of the book of respected racing media men like Bart Sinclair and Wayne Wilson long ago.

Sit back and listen to a few home truths about how the majority of the industry feels in Queensland:

So what if Kevin Dixon does have the best interests of the Brisbane Racing Club and Eagle Farm at stake when he takes over the job of running racing in Queensland?

So what if Kevin Dixon is a friend of Kevin Seymour and agrees to pour much needed capital into Albion Park, the rightful home of harness racing in Queensland?

So what if Kevin Dixon is working behind the scenes with Tim Nicholls, the high profile LNP politician who would be a valuable asset to the industry as Racing Minister?

So what if Kevin Dixon doesn’t want to answer loaded questions – strategically aimed at discrediting he and the BRC and written on behalf of Bentley and his supporters, which only seem to get run on your web site?

So what if Kevin Dixon is telling his close colleagues that there will be no policy on racing released by the LNP until so close to the election it will not give the likes of Bentley and media snipers like you the opportunity to tear it apart?

So what if Kevin Dixon has friends in the racing media like Wayne Wilson and Bart Sinclair that he races horses in partnership with who have done more for the industry in this state in a day than Bentley, his Board or you have in a decade?

So what if Kevin Dixon and the LNP decide to divert funds away from the country and provincial clubs into Eagle Farm and Albion Park? Racing in Brisbane needs to thrive for these others to survive.

I could go on forever but no doubt it will fall on deaf ears. Get used to the ‘two Kevins’ playing a major role in the racing industry in this state for years to come. We need men of vision like them to fix this mess that Bentley and his cohorts have got us into. – Barry Gardner.

EDITOR’S NOTE: If you are a supporter of Kevin Dixon and Kevin Seymour, this sort of e-mail sends the wrong message Barry. I don’t care if you bag the crap out of this web site. It just continues to grow in readership popularity. We are not the mouthpiece of Bob Bentley or anyone else in racing. Our policy is to protect the punter and provide a forum for people with differing views just like yours but we like them to be objective and some of your ‘So What’ suggestions are not. Racing is very much an opinion industry, on and off the track. You are entitled to yours. But might I suggest if Messrs Dixon and Seymour were to take your ‘So What’ advice on some issues they industry would soon have them heading down a similar path to another Kevin in 07.

Maybe it's the name Gardner that reminded me of a Peter Sellars movie " Being There" in which he played Chance a gardner who was a simple man but was mistakenly regarded as a genius by those whose lives he came into as the movie unfolded. :clap2:

Will this Gardner achieve that level of acclaim mistaken or not  :lol: .

 

Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Bright Spark on 2012-Mar-26, 10:25 AM
IF the stake-holders of racing were afforded the same voting privileges as the people of Queensland there would be massive industry change ahead and that would not only be restricted to a new Control Board.
To pinch a slogan from a by-gone era, ‘It’s Time for a Change,’ but hopefully politics, past hatreds and industry square-ups will be eliminated from the equation. I did say hopefully.
The era of the Bob Bentley Board is over. Rather than lie in state at racing headquarters and prolong the agony they should jump aboard the first train out.
The chairmen cardinals of racing from all parts of the state should fly in immediately to select their new interim leader and as the waiting throng enjoy the farewell barbeque in the Deagon car park, hopefully it will not take long for the smoke of the dead goat to billow from the Board Room roof to confirm the appointment of a new Racing Pontiff.
The appointment process of a new Board can then get under-way and it has to be free of the interference and politics of the past. The best way to ensure the industry gets the best of the best available is to invite candidates to apply individually. They would of course be encouraged by stake-holder groups, be they representing clubs or licensees.
The new Board needs to be selected on experience in business, marketing and the law but must know the racing industry and it would be in the best interests of all concerned if an interstate panel (human resources or with thoroughbred experience) were engaged to make the appointments. Neither the Interim Board nor the Government should play a role in this.
All major administration positions within Racing Queensland should be up for grabs with those currently holding down those roles invited to re-apply for their jobs similar to what occurs in the Public Service. If they are confident in their own ability there should be no reason for concern about the future.
That would overcome this situation where out-going RQ Chairman Bob Bentley warned that many key staffers were ‘feeling rather fragile.’ It would also alleviate concerns within the industry that some of those doing key jobs are there because they have been ‘yes men or women’ to Bentley and his Board and are not the best available at what they do.
The Integrity Department is different. Racing Inquiries have ordered a separation of powers despite what the Bentley Board believes. There are widespread industry calls for a broom to be put through the Department. Many are chasing the scalp of Jamie Orchard.
What the industry needs is an Integrity Commissioner to run the show aided by an assistant with legal background, specializing in racing and an overall Chairman of Stewards. Below this group would be Chief Stewards and panels for the various regions.
Moves need to be taken immediately to have the Appeals Process restructured and the new Board needs to give the industry an assurance that costs for outside legal consultancies will either be eliminated or reduced.
The time from a past era where licensees could ‘phone a friend’ in Integrity must never occur again. If an individual feels the need to make a complaint – whether it concerns a communal jigger doing the rounds at a certain training facility or a stable worker allegedly selling drugs to teenage racing staff – they should not feel too scared or intimidated to come forward.
Steward appointments and transfers need to be made on the basis of ability and not because of the ‘old mates act.’ Never again should staff be shown the door to make way for others who have more influence with their bosses.
Many in the industry feel it's a bit rich for Bob Bentley to talk about staff being confronted by children coming home from school and telling their parents they have heard that they will lose their jobs. What about those that this happened to under his administration? What about Patrick Cooper one of the best stewards in the country who is stacking groceries in a supermarket because fellow stewards feel too intimidated by his presence? He should be brought back into the fold immediately.
If better credentialed and more experienced personnel are available then no position should be safe – from the CEO to the Training Department Manager, the Chief Steward or the Betting Steward (now there’s one position that should be immediately advertised if you listen to the rank and file punters).
Let’s face it – the new-look Racing Queensland will only be as good as the new Racing Minister – that’s certain to be Tim Nicholls and the new Interim Chairman – likely to be Kevin Dixon – allows it to be. With the right people in the right positions the sky’s the limit.
It won’t be an easy job but there are plenty of highly credentialed individuals keen to right the ship and get racing back on track. The last thing we need is political appointments simply filling Board or key administrative positions to ensure those with influence are appeased.
When advice is taken by the Racing Minister, the Interim Board, the new Board or whoever is running racing in Queensland, it has to come from the right source. Suggestions that the LNP was being heavily advised by a Labor Ministerial staffer was not only farcical but regarded as a standing joke by those in the industry aware of what was happening. I am assured that people like Tim Nicholls and Kevin Dixon are not that gullible and regard this individual as an 'absolute light-weight'.
One assumes then that they were just paying lip service to one of the many industry turncoats who for years delivered more than his share of arse-licking to the those in high places from a succession of Labor Racing Ministers to RQ supremo Bob Bentley. These two-timing, political fence jumping, back-stabbing  :censored:  should be seen for what they are and never listened to again.
Those running racing in Queensland need to give the industry some hope that in the future decisions will be based on what is in the best interests of all stake-holders – not those with political influence or mates in right places, nor those who live in the city or the bush, but everyone.
The first priority has to be saving costs, increasing stakes, improving the image of racing in Queensland from an integrity stand-point and being prepared to accept objective criticism from those who promise to judge them fairly – like this web site – rather than being judged on performance because they are their mainstream media mates.
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Bright Spark on 2012-Mar-27, 12:56 PM
Here is the Butts column:

 
COMMENTS OF OUT-GOING RQ CHAIRMAN GREETED WITH ANGER AND AMUSEMENT
THE first call was from a former high profile steward who said he just couldn’t believe what he was reading on the letsgohorseracing website on Friday.
He was referring to the interview with Bob Bentley who gave his reasons for refusing to vacate the chair until legislation was passed to replace him and his Board.
There were other calls and e-mails too, some angry, some laughing over the comments made by the outgoing Racing Queensland Chairman.
The steward who rang me was angry over comments that RQL integrity staff were ‘very fragile,’ according to Bob, as D (for departure) Day approached.
He saw some irony as well in Bentley’s comments that kids were coming home from school asking their RQL-employed parents if they were going to be sacked.
 
BENTLEY A VICTIM OF ‘FREEDOM OF SPEECH’ – HE HAS TO BE KIDDING!
PERSONALLY, I found the Bentley claim that he had become a virtual victim of ‘freedom of speech’ quite incredulous.
I quote: “RQL has every right to comment on public policy announcements during an election campaign which directly effects its operations and stakeholders.
“It’s called freedom of speech,” declared and indignant Bentley.
“And it is hardly politicizing to point out issues that will arise from inadequate or ill-informed policy making,” he said.
Well, obviously hypocrisy is alive and well.
It was a bit rich coming from the man who did his darndest to nail this old scribe for doing just that – highlighting a few of the inadequacies and ill-informed decisions and policies of his own staff.
 
BOB’S GOT A SHORT MEMORY WHEN IT COMES TO SYMPATHY FOR THOSE SACKED
AND now let’s turn to his bid to play the sympathy card.
There was no consideration in Bentley’s outburst for the steward who was told to sell up, get his kids out of school (again) and relocate to the other end of the state…or face the sack.
Talk about bullying in the workplace!
There was no sympathy either for the three employees of the Mackay Turf Club who were sacked, without even a warning, for having a drink in the tractor shed (out of the rain) one race day.
Those loyal staff members with a combined total of 100 years of service to the local race club, have got kids and grandkids too, most of whom were born while their dad was toiling on the Ooralea track.
No sympathy either for the CEO of that same track, a highly respected racing administrator who was ‘forced’ out, and is now selling hardware in the town while the Club, once the envy and wealthiest in country Queensland is in the hands of a couple referred to within local racing circles as Dumb and Dumber.
The CEO was ‘sacked’ soon after two of the senior committee resigned on the spot after it was made clear the suggestion (or directive) to get rid of the CEO  had come from the Deagon bunker.
 
NOT A SKERRICK OF SYMPATHY FOR DEPARTING INTEGRITY BOSS AT RQL
THERE is not a skerrick of sympathy for the departing integrity chief of RQL (Jamie Orchard, better known as ‘The Orchadist) from the people who count in racing in the sugar city (Mackay) or throughout the state.
Most in fact totally welcome the change of guard but are totally pissed that contracts may have been written weeks before four key administrators, including Orchard, decided to resign and walk away with fat cheques. (Standby for more on that when the new guard takes control and investigates the contract redundancies).
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Slogger on 2012-Mar-30, 10:59 AM
Has letsgohorseracing.com.au been pulled, I cannot access it today.

 :what: :what: :what:
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Goldie Locks on 2012-Mar-30, 11:06 AM
Just clicked on......no problem!    emthup
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Slogger on 2012-Mar-30, 12:16 PM
Just clicked on......no problem!     emthup  

Must have been down for a short period of time.  As you say,  no probs now.
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: fairgo on 2012-Apr-01, 10:31 AM
Have a read of the Bob Bentley article on letsgohorseracing today, absolutely sensational.

I must admit that for the first few paragraphs, my mouth was slowly opening in shock before taking heed of the date.

Congratulations, Editor, you have made my day   emthup
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Apr-01, 10:39 AM
Just be sure to read it before noon.  :bulb:
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: MagiC~* on 2012-Apr-01, 11:08 AM
Had me confused for the first couple of sentences. :)

The Neville Stewart part was what woke me up to the fact, if that was left out, I may have made it to the end of the article ;)

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Apr-01, 11:11 AM
MagiC, are you advertising the GT-19100, or do you not know how to turn off the message?  :wavecry:
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: MagiC~* on 2012-Apr-01, 11:24 AM
:shy:

I do, but I keep resetting my phone, and don't bother changing the settings  :sweat:

Will change it now, thanks for the remind, it is a good phone though  :p

One thing I do like about the message though, is it is a get out of free jail card, for any mistakes I may make in posting from my mobile phone  :huh:
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: MagiC~* on 2012-Apr-01, 11:25 AM
Next you will be wanting me to change it on my tablets also  :tears:
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Apr-01, 11:25 AM
 ;)
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Jul-11, 08:46 AM
Most interesting opinion on LGHR from the must read Wednesday Whinge is this story about tostesterone being detected and the relationship to cardiac arrhythmia. :o


"NEW SOUTH WALES OFFICIALS NEED TO START CLEANING UP THEIR ACT


‘NEW South Wales officials want to stop boasting about their big court win over the corporate bookies and start cleaning up their act on the track.


Form reversals, especially from the big stables, are a common occurrence with little or nothing being done to win back the confidence of punters big and small.


Now we are informed that the spate of elevated testosterone tests had led to horses being banned from racing in NSW while answers are sought from overseas laboratories.


These irregularities are being linked by veterinarians working for Racing NSW to the increasing list of well backed runners failing and being found to have been suffering from cardiac arrhythmia.


It is also interesting to note in the Sydney media report that a Queensland-based veterinarian isn’t keen to answer questions about the situation.


Well what is going on with the stewards in the north? Aren’t they interested in getting to the bottom of the problem? Surely they should be assisting their counterparts in NSW to ensure this veterinarian is required to attend an inquiry.


Then again the emphasis on integrity seems to have hit rock bottom since the new powers-that-be took control of racing in Queensland. In fact the news filtering to NSW and Victoria is that there will be no Integrity Department in the north.


Considering the image that Queensland racing has on and off the track one would have thought integrity would be the No 1 priority but apparently it isn’t which poses the big question – Why?’ – Greg Fry, Sydney.


EDITOR’S NOTE: For those who missed the story by TONY WHITE in the SYDNEY SUN-HERALD last Sunday, it raises some alarming questions, one relating to the veterinarian in Queensland and what RQL is doing to address it – probably nothing if the stories are true that we won’t have an Integrity Department, as promised pre-election.


A SPATE of elevated testosterone tests has led to the New South Wales racing regulator barring thoroughbreds from racing while it seeks answers from foreign laboratories.

In the week where Racing NSW announced statewide prizemoney increases, which lead the country, TONY WHITE of THE SUN-HERALD has learnt a veterinarian based in Queensland isn't keen to answer questions.

And an owner of a horse that has had its nomination refused is investigating legal action while Racing NSW has launched a far reaching inquiry.

It coincides with several recent Racing NSW stewards' inquiries into the disappointing performances of favored runners.

Many have been deemed by the regulator's veterinarians to have suffered heart arrhythmia and there has been a plethora of other excuses offered for horses that were expected to excel.

And this latest drug controversy comes atop of two recent positive cases to Synephrine, a prohibited substance that can be found in plants and contaminate feed.

''The bottom line is if I get no resolve I'm going to contact the owners and trainers association to find out all the horses involved in this,'' the owner of a compounded horse told The Sun-Herald.

''My trainer is astounded; he cannot believe what is taking place. If I don't get answers I'm going to ask for a class action to be launched against Racing NSW to recover our costs and stress. If not, I'll sue myself.''

Retesting of horses has taken place and it is believed no thoroughbred will be passed fit to race until results give the all clear.

''Why should my horse be used as a guinea pig,'' the owner said.

The owner's plans to have his horse set for a major race have been thrown into disarray.

It is believed up to a dozen horses have been involved in the testosterone controversy.

The results surfaced in post-race and random testing carried out across the state in recent months.

Racing NSW chief steward Ray Murrihy is attending the upcoming Asian Racing Conference in Turkey and deputy Greg Rudolph confirmed the outbreak.

"A number of horses dotted across the state have returned urine samples with elevated testosterone levels in respect to the current thresholds," Rudolph said.

Rudolph said Racing NSW ''has commissioned a study into the situation" while adding, stewards have taken ''non-race day urine samples''.

"We are leaving no stone unturned,'' Rudolph said.

''Not only urine samples but we're taking samples of feed, having external products tested and looking at travelling conditions. Samples are being sent to three international racing laboratories.''






While it's no laughing matter I had a chuckle over the owner's comment "''My trainer is astounded; he cannot believe what is taking place. If I don't get answers I'm going to ask for a class action to be launched against Racing NSW to recover our costs and stress. If not, I'll sue myself.''
 What he meant to say was...."I'll sue THEM myself"  :biggrin:
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Jul-11, 07:30 PM
I can see someone getting very frustrated because Kevin Dixon doesn't seem to be taking ANY notice.   :lol:

I hope he's not holding his breath waiting for things to change.

Bob must surely be running out of noms-de-plume.  ;)
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Jul-17, 06:37 PM
Goodness Gracious ......what'll he think of next.....using  noms de plume.........not like Bob to hide his light  behind  a bushell  :o

While there's little doubt  some  contributors to the whingers column use fictitious names  a lot more don't want their names to be published for fear of victimization :shrug:

I can't see the sense in Bob hiding his identity......he's never been backward in the past.  :shutup:
Title: Let's Go Horseracing Website
Post by: nicky on 2012-Aug-01, 01:42 PM
Tried to log onto Let's Go Horseracing website today to read the Wednesday whinge - however my virus protection has deemed it a dangerous site. :unsu

Anyone else having the same problem?? :what:
Title: Let's Go Horseracing Website
Post by: proud_dad on 2012-Aug-01, 04:27 PM
just tried to log on same deal wont load
Title: Let's Go Horseracing Website
Post by: nicky on 2012-Aug-01, 05:17 PM
Can get onto site using my I phone
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Aug-01, 05:56 PM
Rumours and gossip a new feature started this week.....main one of interest most likely would be the forthcoming 4Corners program on a controversial Victorian  jockey and his family.....no prizes for guessing who they are referring to. :shutup:

The Wednesday Whinge has several contributions about the TTC....not a happy lot up on the Darling Downs. :o
Title: Let's Go Horseracing Website
Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Aug-01, 05:59 PM
No problems for me.......but it appears some hackers did try to bugger things up....should be OK now. :beer:
Title: Let's Go Horseracing Website
Post by: Mick on 2012-Aug-01, 07:11 PM
Comes up as a dangerous page.Trend Micro notification.
Title: Let's Go Horseracing Website
Post by: Lert on 2012-Aug-01, 07:18 PM
I have good quality firewall and virus protection and LGR site is currently coming up OK with me.
I know LGR were reporting a number of attempts by hackers to sabotage the site over the last day or so.
Apparently some unhappy industry figures have been predicting that the site was going to go down this week.
Probably unrelated to the hacker attacks do you think?
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Mick on 2012-Aug-01, 07:35 PM
Rumours and gossip a new feature started this week.....main one of interest most likely would be the forthcoming 4Corners program on a controversial Victorian  jockey and his family.....no prizes for guessing who they are referring to. :shutup:

The Wednesday Whinge has several contributions about the TTC....not a happy lot up on the Darling Downs. :o
We will be unhappier if Stewart,Burke & Bredhaeur are elected to the committee.They may as well shut the joint down.That push was responsible for the debacle called the Cushion Track.
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: nicky on 2012-Aug-01, 08:12 PM
Mick - I also Trend Micro and am still getting the same message >:(
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: sobig on 2012-Aug-01, 08:24 PM
I got that message yesterday morning but is now fine.
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: nicky on 2012-Aug-02, 10:20 AM
All good now - can get my "daily fix".... :clap2:
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2012-Aug-02, 11:46 AM
I am a bit incredulous about the suggestion there are industry people (? RQL) sufficiently antagonistic to seek to shut LGHR down and have set about trying to hack the website for that purpose.  Last time I was with Mr Dixon he was struggling to use his mobile phone so he must have done some quick TAFE courses to be dabbling in computer code.  Maybe we now have Triads in RQL.  :o   Be afraid eh. If LGHR disappears, lets hope Just Racing goes after that  :whistle:

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Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Aug-02, 07:03 PM
I gotta laff outa that one Porky  :lol:
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Kurban on 2012-Aug-03, 04:41 PM
I am a bit incredulous about the suggestion there are industry people (? RQL) sufficiently antagonistic to seek to shut LGHR down and have set about trying to hack the website for that purpose.  Last time I was with Mr Dixon he was struggling to use his mobile phone so he must have done some quick TAFE courses to be dabbling in computer code.  Maybe we now have Triads in RQL.  :o   Be afraid eh. If LGHR disappears, lets hope Just Racing goes after that  :whistle:

The gutless few who write that shit on WW must think us normal folk think like them. GET A LIFE Losers we have better things to do
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Kurban on 2012-Aug-03, 04:43 PM
We will be unhappier if Stewart,Burke & Bredhaeur are elected to the committee.They may as well shut the joint down.That push was responsible for the debacle called the Cushion Track.


Couldn't have said it better myself. And I wouldn't do it under an alias on WW like the scum who are responsible...
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Frosty on 2012-Aug-04, 10:21 AM
The gutless few who write that shit on WW must think us normal folk think like them. GET A LIFE Losers we have better things to do

How is it any different to the crap that gets posted on this site?
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2012-Aug-04, 11:59 AM
 :sad:
Title: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Kurban on 2012-Aug-05, 06:59 PM
How is it any different to the crap that gets posted on this site?

Good Point. It isn't. If you're gonna bag someone have the balls to put your name to it. What a despicable act.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2012-Aug-05, 07:11 PM
Pleased no one knows who I am.  8)  Some think I am Norton.  :unsu
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Aug-08, 08:27 AM
The following extract is reportedly written by a Toowoomba trainer.......obviously an educated one.....unless he engaged a ghost writer. :o


TRAINER QUESTIONS THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT OF NEVILLE STEWART
 
‘I wish to comment on a couple of issues (involving the Toowoomba Turf Club) but as a current trainer, I request that my name be omitted. No, I don’t trust the system:
 


I am always aghast when I see Neville Stewart being commended for his financial management of the Toowoomba TC.



It appears that people expect clubs such as these to run at an enormous profit as if they are corporations when they aren’t. (Racing Queensland is a corporation but shouldn’t be – more on this another time.)



To appreciate what should be happening, it is important to appreciate the rationale for the inordinate power that race clubs have in administering the industry. Unlike all other endeavours in the modern business world, the fact that licensees are precluded from holding high administrative office means that the industry is run by an elite who have significantly more power than the licensees they administer.

This form of governance is akin to feudalism in that there is no democracy or its attendant principles, such as, “government by the governed”, the “rule of law”, or the doctrine of the “separation of powers” (though I expect that this is to be implemented as part of LNP policy).



Without going into the rights and wrongs of this arrangement, an important principle in feudalism is noblesse oblige, which means that those of high birth, or enjoy a high social position, have a moral obligation to act with kindness, honour and generosity.



Presumably, the reason why such elites are still in charge in the supposed Enlightened times, is that, being of considerable wealth, they are less likely to act in their own interests, and instead look after the interests of those for whom they are  responsible, namely, the licensees who rely on the industry for their livelihoods.



In recognition of the role that trainers play in making their race meetings possible, training facilities were traditionally provided for a nominal fee. I recall it being around $1 per horse per month. At Clifford Park, this was increased to $1 per horse per day at a time when Eagle Farm, Randwick and Flemington trainers were still paying the nominal, $1 per month fee. Of course,



Toowoomba trainers had to accept without comment like many other unpalatable issues they have been imposed with. With between 550 and 700 horses in work at the time, this was a windfall for the TTC and contributed much to reputation of the then Chair being a good financial manager.



It is important to realise that places like Toowoomba have only one training centre and that trainers are totally dependent on them; in short, the TTC was a monopolistic provider. If trainers didn’t like the arrangement, they had to uproot their businesses and relocate their families elsewhere.



So rather than this be reflective of the spirit of noblesse oblige, or even ethical business practice, it was monopolistic profit maximization without due regard for the people who have to operate under those conditions. It could be argued that this strategy, which has since been copied by all race clubs, sounded the death knell for race clubs acting with generosity, kindness etc and instead we see that a corporate culture has taken over the entire industry.



Perhaps a better gauge for the success of the Toowoomba Turf Club would be to look at what has been lost. Toowoomba hosts just two listed races (Weetwood and Cup) where the SCTC and GCTC have a myriad of group and listed races, and has half the number of horses in work. I don’t call that good management!’
 


EDITOR’S NOTE: As has been the policy of this website if Neville Stewart or anyone else wishes to respond they have right of reply in next week’s Wednesday Whinge. Rather than go to individuals and organisations the same week we believe it is better to give them time to properly prepare a response.





So there you have it. :chin:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Kurban on 2012-Aug-08, 09:24 AM
The reply next week will be interesting...... how do you defend that? :what:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Kurban on 2012-Aug-08, 12:45 PM
I missed it earlier... doesn't JL give the TBQA chairman a serve. I thought Nolan with an A(haha) was entitled to fire back after last week. JL has gone over the top IMO
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Aug-27, 05:43 PM
Site seems to be on the blink today.  :unsu
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Aug-27, 06:49 PM
OK, the site won't open on my desktop with IE8 - yes, cache is cleared.  Yet, opens on iPhone under Safari on same network.

Clues?
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2012-Aug-27, 06:58 PM
Wow! Does anyone check out the Warwick Farm ratings?

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/ratings

Forgetting the "value", 6 top raters won and in the other two races the second top raters won  :beer:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2012-Aug-27, 07:51 PM
That was LAST week, PP.   :lol:

I disconnected my modem, and can now connect through the desktop.  :shy:  I wish they'd let me die in peace.
Title: The Wednesday Whinge
Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Nov-28, 08:32 AM
Seeing that the search engine failed to locate the original thread which from memory was started by Mono I feel it deserves a fresh start as it covers a wide variety of issues mostly submitted by persons hiding their identity...which is nothing new to us forumites..we're all in the same boat as far as disclosing our real names is concerned......except if called upon by the long arm of the law :beer:.



http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2576-wednesday-whinge-big-change-for-appeals-in-qld-but-appointment-process-a-concern
Title: The Wednesday Whinge
Post by: Ascot on 2012-Nov-28, 09:03 AM
The problem I have with this product is that readers can accept some of what is written anon is fact when it may not be.

For example, the current bagging of TTC for wishing to use water recycling technologies to solve its water storage issues.  You can achieve water storage and use apart from building a dam.   If RQ had gone into this properly BEFORE the cushion decision we would not have the problem we have now.  The VRC faced similar challenges in the Flemington redevelopment (they have salinity issues, being below sea level and beside the saline Marybynong River) and embraced these issues with great success.  Sewerage farming (simply the removal and cleansing of waste water) is easy to achieve and it is a myth the product is smelly or unsafe.  Similarly the recovery and storage of stormwater from large roof structures in Toowoomba is an easy do.  Most Qld Hospitals already do it and recycle the water for various purposes (steam, landscape etc).

But some goose with a chip on their shoulder writes to the Whinge dismissing the technology and it becomes fact "it must be a bummer". 

The site needs a warning banner that states not all material posted is factual.  Readers need to be aware that this site is a blog, just like Phils.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: 22 WOOBIA 22 on 2012-Nov-28, 10:47 AM
Ascot we lived beside a golf course that had recycled water and for anyone to say they dont stink is wrong.

At times we couldn't go home for lunch as it was so bad. The system regularly broke down or malfunctioned.

This was no better after 5 years.

One family left as they got sores and rashes from walking through the golf course and several Golfers complained.

Like most things in Life, they are only as good as the peeps looking after them.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: The Baker on 2012-Nov-28, 10:53 AM
Ascot

I am pretty sure that Royal Pines on the Gold Coast uses recycled water and there are many lavish houses built around the course. Never heard of any golfers complaining about the smell or getting infections.

Might have something to do with how much the water is treated and how modern the sewerage treatment plant is.?????????????
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2012-Dec-13, 06:07 PM
There's going to be a break in transmission over the Christmas period as the Wednesday whingers take a break for a fortnight and I read that the current  issue was produced under difficulties due to editor and site proprietor John Lingard suffering a medical emergency........get well John :thumbsup:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jan-02, 07:02 AM
Pleased to see the Wednesday Whinge is back after its short recess and that John Lingard the driving force behind this dynamic website is progressing after a recent health issue. :thumbsup:

Lots of interesting contributions in this issue......not to be missed. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2614-wednesday-whinge-have-your-say-in-the-most-popular-racing-forum-in-oz-racing

The foreshadowed publication  of  CV's of the appointees for the vacancies on the new Control board compared to those not deemed up to it by "the powers that be"  will be something to look forward to ......by those of us sitting on the sidelines....dunno if the applicants who missed out will be very thrilled at the possibility. :rolleyes:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jan-02, 09:09 AM
I would be surprised if that would happen Arsenal.  R&S is a confidential process innit?  I suppose any applicant can choose to put their own info out there (Linkden), but surely permission would be required if the employer does it..

Greatly amused that LGHR has gone into bat for the Just Racing website.  Talk about going outside mainstream judgement.  They seem to excuse the content there as forgivable because some who digest it might not agree with it, and praising Phil's alleged independence. That is a lame excuse for supporting some pretty odd stuff.  There is a big difference between sucking up and stuffing up.  

Gee, some people don't agree with my rantings either, but does that make ME all the more credible?  Phil's remark about the role and value of the QIC is plain dumb and the bagging of the Archbishop of Brisbane is silly (even if ya don't like the Catholic Church) and he should know better if this isn't just a blog site.  Actually, I enjoy reading the National Rifle Association website more than Just Racing.  Just as loopy, but at least the NRA does some research.

And this bloke on this YouTube clip would have to be a Just Racing and LGHR devotee based on his ability to form misguided opinions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wb-rBLYsA8
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jan-02, 09:36 AM
Ascot as much as I enjoy your quick witted contributions....you are stretching it a mile too far by inferring this lunatic on you tube qualifies as  a devotee of JR and LGHR......actually I'm shocked that you subscribe to that rot unless you pressed the wrong button by accident...and wandered in by mistake. :o

I agree it would be most unusual to compare CV's publicly......I wouldn't want anyone to know some insider got the job...if I had better qualifications and was  an unsuccessful applicant....and that appears to be the basis of this threat ...that it's a cut and dried job....like in the PS when a department would be inspected by one of the PS Inspectors and as a result of the reorganisation the said Inspector not surprisingly found hisself appointed to a reclassified job he hisself had recommended. :whistle:

This guy on QIC made some of the lamest comments of the lot...even my good natured self couldn't restrain myself from commenting on them at the time....although I would give the Arch a pass.

I think LGHR is a benefit for those who have a platform to express their feelings and  to those who are interested in what others think on all matters racing....... without contributing theirselves ......as the well written  post from former member Imaufo on the characteristics of Forum posters cleverly stated......"Looking through the dross hoping to find something of value"...which reminds me I should re post that series of observations for the benefit of new members. :thumbsup:

Happy New Year. :beer: 
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jan-02, 11:07 AM
Arsenal

Maybe the QIC bloke was a bit like a fish out of water, as accountants can be away from the abacus.  That I can understand.  But it was this remark that made me worry about Phil's knowledge of things that matter.....

As for the Queensland Investment Corporation, the average person in the street wouldn’t have a remote clue what they actually do and in fact could probably go through their life without caring either. Let me suggest that maybe on a good day - just one tenth of one percent (0.10%) of the population would need to know what they do, or would be influenced by anything the Queensland Investment Corporation actually do.

Whilst this organisation operates out of sight of most Ipswich burgers, it actually is responsibility for steering the massive investments of the Qld Govt and Superannuation funds in a tough world environment.  And it does it well.  To be so unsubtly dismissive of QIC's role and importance to Queenslanders is gobsmacking.  You see, it behoves the bloke to at least come up to speed on something before he puts the foot, the leg AND the hip in his mouth.  A quick look at the balance sheet (Phil proclaims to be an expert doesn't he) might have made him think twice about his comment.  Tells ya a bit about his smarts dunnit? I mean, he didn't even need to go there and could have just stopped at bagging the bloke himself.  Again it confirms he is JUST a blogger, no more, no less.  Good on him for having a go, but to expect to be treated and admired as a credible racing identity is laughable.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jan-02, 07:33 PM
Ascot I'm not convinced that the QIC is up to the task ......seeing that  they bought out Bligh's stake in BrisConnections the biggest lemon ever foisted on the gullible public for something like $3B......and lumped it on QSuper....  an investment which isn't helping  to keep the wolf from my door........they rely to a large extent on outside advisers ..fund managers..hopefully the new guy Frawley will turn out to be better than his first few comments suggest....and more astute than his predecessor who is now part of the Peter Costello Trio ... :shrug:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jan-02, 08:50 PM
Arsenal

Be assured that QSuper exposure to the tunnel thingo is miniscule in the scale of things. I have already checked that out from the source.  Don't believe everything you read in the paper.   
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Jan-02, 08:53 PM
Strange how website bloggers think that because they have readers and fellow rockthrowers who write in to them, they have influence.   :lol:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jan-03, 01:29 PM
Arsenal

Be assured that QSuper exposure to the tunnel thingo is miniscule in the scale of things. I have already checked that out from the source.  Don't believe everything you read in the paper.   

I  know that..... Ascot I've seen the square off  .......  but it was and is a bad investment...and at the end of the day it shows up in the bottom line ......we would be better off if they hadn't bought the lemon.. they're unelected..... being paid big bucks ...and apparently can do as they please ...and  when their selections turn out to be duds ...they shrug and hope for better luck next time .....they're dealing with other peoples money ....yours and mine.......maybe they overheard the words of an old ex bookie I knew ...he used to say . "Never use your own money if you can use someone elses'  :whistle:

Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jan-03, 06:53 PM
Arsie, I think you will find that by law a portion of the asset portfolio could, and should, be infrastructure and "alternative" assets.  You will never find a risk free category of investment.  They were hardly exposed and will recover in the long term.  If investing were that easy we would not bother punting ourselves.  You want all your super and soverign finds helds in cash I assume.

Speaking from personal experience, I have lived off the QSuper yield for two years now and have more capital than I started with.  And I maintain a lifetyle expenditure as when I was working. That is in so called tough economic times, if the newspapers are to be believed.

QIC is a pretty successful operation.  Phil probably keeps his equity under the bed and does not see success if it hit him on the head.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jan-04, 07:27 AM
Ascot no doubt they offer a reasonable return ......that's what they're supposed to do .....but BrisCinnections was a lemon ...looked like a lemon and will never be anything other than a lemon....and QIC dumped it in QSuper.....that was a bad decision. >:(

We've wandered off topic...... :shutup:
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jan-04, 12:12 PM
It's D day for the R&S  of the new Boards.

Now, I have written my Application.  Kept it brief...half a page made up of name and address, a list of all my achievements in life and a simple statement "Pick me".

I have a letter of recommendation from the vet who spayed my cat Ron.

Have been to the bank and put the cash in a lovely brown envelope from OfficeWorks.  They have a section down the back called the Russ Hinze row featuring paraphenalia ranging from small envelopes to brown suitcases to shipping containers.

Now where does one buy stamps these days?  Havn't posted a letter for decades.  Doyou still stick them in those cute little red boxes you see around the burbs?
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jan-04, 12:15 PM
Oh, just to explain why I asked this on the LGHR thread.  I thought it safest to send the app to LGHR who could get the notice of the RQL mob better than I could by myself.  ;)
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Goldie Locks on 2013-Jan-04, 12:30 PM
  :lol:

Now we all KNOW you are off your meds.       :lol:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Jan-07, 11:47 AM
Are others having difficulty in accessing this site?
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Jan-07, 12:44 PM
All fine, now.  Must be the new comp.  :shy:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jan-09, 07:21 PM
Latest issue of the Wednesday Whinge.....contributions from those who don't want their identity revealed. :rolleyes:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2622-wednesday-whinge-baring-our-backsides-for-the-magic-millionaires

Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Jan-09, 08:27 PM
They're getting more stupid every day.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Jan-10, 09:00 AM
The repeated bleating from "unidentified for obvious reasons" trainers - or their advocates - that the Qld branch of ATA is non-representative is becoming a joke.

There are two solutions, neither of which should need defining.  :bulb:  :bulb:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Jan-11, 06:40 PM
ghost, you misread me.

I'm not questioning the assertion.

I'm asking why don't the disaffected trainers take up one of the two obvious options open to them.

I expect you know what those options are.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jan-16, 07:48 AM
Another eclectic range of issues canvassed by the Wednesday Whinge well worth reading as always. :beer:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2631-wednesday-whinge-the-bookies-were-indeed-clevadudes

Terry Butts goes in to bat on the Minister's choices for the selection panel in the main page. :whistle:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jan-16, 09:58 AM
Arsenal, JL has lost all cred for me when he goes into bat for Phil.  They don't ban blokes from the radio for nothing.  Phil claims it was for bagging UniTab.  I suspect it was based on intellectual property of content offered.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jan-16, 06:58 PM
Arsenal, JL has lost all cred for me when he goes into bat for Phil.  They don't ban blokes from the radio for nothing.  Phil claims it was for bagging UniTab.  I suspect it was based on intellectual property of content offered.

Both are independents........and that's a good thing IMO ...they can write what they like within reason....neither are under supervision as your goodself has pointed out...just like us voicing our opinions......where would we be without the Forum to log into?.....wandering aimlessly about or  falling asleep watching TV?

Tatts refused to give Phil a platform to air his views after he criticised them for perceived incompetence...that's a decision they're entitled to make..the only losers are the audience.....excluding your goodself......amongst others of a like mind. :whistle:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: overdue on 2013-Jan-16, 07:53 PM
The hack is still there hey?
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: ACER on 2013-Jan-17, 10:46 AM
Another eclectic range of issues canvassed by the Wednesday Whinge well worth reading as always. :beer:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2631-wednesday-whinge-the-bookies-were-indeed-clevadudes

Terry Butts goes in to bat on the Minister's choices for the selection panel in the main page. :whistle:

Unrelated but had to laugh at one of the lines in that link regarding the severed head washed up inside a bag in WA..........'Being treated as a murder by WA police'......they really are on the ball over there!
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jan-23, 08:49 AM
It wouldn't be Wednesday without having a read of the latest gripes, comments, gossip, rumour and genuine complaints from the Wednesday Whinge. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2639-wednesday-whinge-concerns-continue-over-rq-selection-process-transparency


Still no word on my goodself's complaint about RQL failing to respond to my legitimate inquiry by email on the Laxon and Symons partnership continuing to train while allegedly indebted to RQL for some $5K on their Forfeits List.......which JL promised to raise with head steward Wade Birch. :whistle:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Feb-05, 09:24 AM
Interesting story today on LGHR about the activities of some coffee shop owner in Mackay.  Shop sounds good.  Anyone know where it?   Might go there for a mango desert next time I am in town.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Feb-05, 11:27 AM
Gee.  :unsu

A local contact reckons it's the Contour Coffee Club.

Might not be right.  :shrug:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Feb-05, 11:57 AM
Oh dear oh dear, what have you done.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Feb-06, 08:50 AM
A more interesting selection of subjects..and whingers.....in this week's edition of the popular Wednesday Whinge......than last week. :beer:

 http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2652-wednesday-whinge-is-the-sunshine-coast-turf-club-a-victim-of-political-retribution
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Feb-13, 09:52 AM
Another eclectic and interesting views in the selection of topics  in this week's edition of the not to be missed Wednesday Whinge. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2661-wednesday-whinge-positive-signs-the-tide-is-turning-for-qld-racing

Any followers who have been encouraged not to visit this website......should take a peek. :thumbsup:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Feb-13, 10:23 AM
I gotta say, there are definite indicators for this website to be diagnosed as bipolar.  The humongous turmoil, toil and troubles that beset us last week is gone.  Things are rosy......in  just a week  :what: . 

Nurse Crachett, send the Internet Lithium over to the Website please, and this time make sure they take it.



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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Feb-20, 05:39 PM
One item in this week's edition of the unmissable Wednesday Whinge should attract the attention of the "powers that be " despite the fact that the column is said to be out of bounds for those associated with the Deagon bunker inmates. :shutup:

It's concerning that the Clerk of the Course and his allegation that the trainer responsible for looking after the horse gave it an "ace" causing it to stumble and behave erractically.....hasn't been properly investigated.....that's not good enough. :chair:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2670-wednesday-whinge-the-good-bad-ugly-side-of-oz-racing
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Feb-27, 04:39 PM
I note that Max (the lobbyist) has extended hisself  with a complaint to the WW about the unpreparedness of the "powers that be " to reasonably cater for the $1 dollar day at EF.......this issue previously addressed by the other independent racing site justracing.

Is there no end to this influential lobbyist's range of intimates.......evidenced by JL's respectful acknowledgement. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2680-wednesday-whinge-the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-side-of-oz-racing
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Mar-06, 05:13 PM
Another week another Wednesday...time to check out the Wednesday Whinge. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2685-wednesday-whinge-the-good-the-bad-and-ugly-side-of-oz-racing
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Mar-13, 08:36 AM
Porky will be pleased Mackay's issues got a run.....a very good article I thought from the local rag reproduced in this week's issue ... :thumbsup:

More brickbats for Kevin Dixon...who, it is alleged, is determined to avoid answering any awkward questions.......quite  opposite to his often despised deposed  predecessor....... the one and only Bob...... who could always be counted on to come out fighting when they rang the bell.....a bit like the description of Tony Abbott who has since conspicuously avoided the limelight.......no more images of hisself spitting in the bucket....when the bell rings. :rolleyes:

And some knocks for a couple of unnamed persons ...one an office holder rumoured to have his eyes on CEO of the new RQL....the other a leading  trainer said to have jumped camp from Bob to Kev...who supposedly  made disparaging and hurtful comments about fellow trainers in the country....over the Workcover premiums. :o

Goodness gracious.......what else is likely to go wrong. :o


 http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2693-wednesday-whinge-when-will-the-smoke-go-up-the-deagon-chimney-the-vatican-can-appoint-a-pope-quicker
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Mar-14, 09:13 AM
But Arsenal, how do we know the rumours have a factual base?  Rumour is easy, fact is often harder to find, especially when out of the inner circle (like me :sad: ).

Don't get me wrong, I love a good rumour.  But sometimes ya gotta treat them like a Maccas Cheeseburger (sigh, those were the days  :tears: , gee I miss them).  They might taste OK whilst you eat one, but it is soon forgotten and becomes waste once digested.

 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Mar-14, 07:23 PM
Good Evening Ascot...I assume the "rumours" you refer to concern the prospective candidate for the CEO at RQL...unnamed ......but the finger appears to point in one direction......having been alluded to previously......and the insulting and disparaging comment on his ability...by a disaffected committee person...who emailed his derisory comment to LGHR....which  could be motivated by some grievance real or imagined... or self interest......or the commentator may be closely connected to his target and speaks from experience....the critical  opinion which he shared may or may not be valid. :shutup:

You are much closer to the inner circle and the powers that be than my goodself...I am  simply a spectator on the sidelines and have no knowledge apart from what I have read.

The other reported comment, an insult to his country cousins, by a so far unnamed prominent  Brisbane trainer is more likely to have been heard by others in attendance.......and while insulting and hurtful to the group it isn't aimed at one individual as was the above....just another case of self interest...what's good for one may be not so good for others. 

Never had a cheeseburger ever...but I can recommend the Beef burger at Grilled...there's bound to be one out your way. :beer:
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Mar-14, 08:36 PM
Sadly Arsenal, commercial burgers are off the menu now.  The good news is that the home made variety are healthy and better tasting.  Zero fat and full of goodies.

Pleased you mentioned two of the rumours.  I have no knowledge of what CEO is the subject of the rumours but, like you can guess.  Like it ain't gunna be the bloke from Ippy or Beaudesert is it.  The question that rumour does not take into account is WHY would the person targeted bother.  Sits in a comfortable position as a senior exec in a major raceclub earning a tidy salary with perks.  Why would you toss that for the worst job on earth.....resurrecting a wasteland with a bad financial position, too much to do with no resources to do it?  I reckon the person who takes the job on will be on a hiding to nothing.....such was the mess the Two Bobs created.

For my two bob (excuse the pun) worth, I expect the new CEO to be from outside Qld and will be unknown to most.  There, how is that for a new rumour.

As for the trainer, not hard to work that out. But wait a minute.  The source of the rumour, let's call it an allegation, is an aggrieved person from another faction who obviously views the issues differently.  Does not make the complainant right does it?  There would have to be a context that, unfortunately, does not come with the allegation.  Gawd forbid, maybe, just possibly, the fella is a grub.   

This is the problem I have with the LGHR rumour mill.  It gets a sniff of something, or there is an observation taken out of context, and bingo, some anonymous fella "who does not want to be named for fear of retribution" writes it up as fact.  I always giggle at the one where Mr Dixon, Mr Frappell, Mr Andrews and myself were sighted together in a space up at Toowoomba.  A giant conspiracy was reported.  Truth is we were doing the form for the Weetwood.  No more, no less. 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Mar-20, 09:32 AM
Another interesting selection of comments complaints and criticisms in this week's issue of the Wednesday Whinge. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2699-silks-saddles-racing-clock-to-stop-ticking-for-sky-at-long-last

Tony Watson from the Sunshine Coast writes

THIS NEW MOB ARE ‘NO DIFFERENT’ TO BOB BENTLEY AND HIS FORGETTABLE BOARD
‘I was no great fan of Bob Bentley and his forgettable Board but it hasn’t taken me long to realize that this new mob aren’t much different. They all play political games and have their favorites. It’s just a role reversal created by a change in Government.
But that’s not what my whinge is about. I believe that Bob Bentley and his Board are entitled to have their legal expenses covered in any action taken against them that carries over from the time that they ran racing in Queensland.
I read recently that Bentley had sold shares and there was some speculation that he would use the funds on legal fees for an ASIC investigation which I would imagine involves the ‘golden handshake’ paid to four RQ executives who resigned soon after the election.
No-one in the industry is happy with the big pay-day that these loyal servants of the Bentley Board received but by the same token if there is a challenge or political power-play by the new RQ Board or the LNP Government to retrieve those funds surely those who benefited should have to repay the money rather than those who permitted them to receive it.’ – Tony Watson, Sunshine Coast.

EDITOR’S NOTE: It’s all about political points-scoring and no doubt will by used to gain major exposure in the mainstream media to deflect any controversy from new Board appointments. I know that ASIC is investigating certain aspects of the Bentley Board operation, not only concerning the circumstances surrounding the departure of some key staff.

Here is what JAMES McCULLOUGH wrote in his popular financial column CITY BEAT in THE COURIER-MAIL:
 
BOB Bentley, the man who used to rule Queensland's racing industry, has pocketed a bit of tidy cash ahead of Easter.
Bentley has just trousered a cool $151,000 after selling some of his shares in the soon-to-be Brisbane-based Tatts Group. That's certainly enough loot to buy a few decent easter eggs this year or maybe even pay his legal fees given an ASIC investigation swirling around him.
Racing Queensland Ltd had covered any legal bills which concerned Bentley during his time as RQL chairman. But the tap's been turned off, we understand, since he left the control body. Although we hear he still asked to be covered as ASIC continues a close look into how four former RQL staffers resigned and took away some nice amounts of money.Bentley, a director of Tatts, held 160,000 ordinary Tatts shares and 300 Tatts bonds but offloaded 45,000 shares, handing him the $151,650 on paper.
The one time GPS 100 metre sprint champion sold the shares as speculation continued about the future of Queensland racing.
Tatts shares yesterday closed 10c down at $3.07, having reached the giddy heights of $3.42 last month. Bentley sold his stock for an average price of $3.37.

Most of us will recall that as part of Bob's exit strategy his board passed a resolution seeking that the new board  indemnify the departing board against any legal proceedings arising out of  the four executives' golden handshakes.

As my goodself pointed out at the time the very thought of this being binding on the new board was unthinkable....although until now there hasn't been any indication if the Dixon board has made any decision one way or another....James Mc Cullough may possibly have the right drum......when he wrote.

"But the tap's been turned off, we understand, since he left the control body. Although we hear he still asked to be covered as ASIC continues a close look into how four former RQL staffers resigned and took away some nice amounts of money."
 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Mar-27, 09:08 AM
There are lots of issues making up this week's issue of LGHR.......worth taking the time for us not so busy people to peruse them. :beer:

For those who don't have the time or interest to wade through all contributions......this one reproduced below.should give readers a good laugh.  :lol:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2705-wednesday-whinge-owners-of-black-caviar-under-attack-over-their-appearance-demands


SOME OF THE CRITICS IN THE NORTH SHOULD BE THANKFUL FOR WHAT THEY’VE GOT

AN interesting scenario for those who lambasted Terry Butts for criticizing country racing when he went into bat for the punters who were not provided with a tote facility at the recent Home Hill Sunday meeting.

Aren’t those critics in the north, so thin-skinned that they are not prepared to accept constructive opinion, lucky they don’t have the author of the article below writing in their region?

Ironically the popular country meeting that ANSON CAMERON writes about in the SUNDAY AGE is Towong, an old stamping ground of Butts when he was but a boy.

He recalls accompanying his trainer dad, Bill, to the Towong Cup meeting in 1955. “I was the strapper for our four horses, three of them won and we got the quinella in the Cup with Cherrywood, ridden by Melbourne Cup winning jockey Vic Harney and Bao King.

“I was only 11 at the time but wound up a pretty busy boy. The race caller got drunk and couldn’t do the job after the first so they asked me to stand in and I called the rest of the card,” Butts said.

We thought you might be interested in reading Anson Cameron’s feature on the 2013 version of the Towong Cup which appeared in The Age under the headline: ‘My Kingdom for a, a. …ah, stuff it.’

"FOR Chrissakes, don't write about the cup. We don't want every bastard up here.'' Al Presidente shakes his head at the thought.

Two and a half thousand are up here. Mainly locals from the Snowy Mountains and the upper Murray. Towong is a crumb-spill of weatherboard houses hidden in green shade beside the headwaters of the Murray and the sweetest part of yesterday. And Al Presidente is president of the Towong Turf Club. His name is Al, so everyone calls him Al Presidente.

The racetrack is in an alpine valley, and sitting in the wooden grandstand looking out at the countryside framed by wooden pillars, across the high riverine pastures with ranks of hills fading back into the deepening air, is like being in a McCubbin triptych.

This day is a languid, colonial cul-de-sac off the humming highway of Now. An event cut adrift from the world. In the distance, hang-gliders linger over a mountain like relics of a future civilisation.

Under a green ceiling of elms is the betting ring - seven bookies toting white bags splashed with black names, they come from Albury, Yarrawonga and Melbourne. The crowd surrounding them is made of two ingredients: semi-nude hog-bellied bogans with their mullets gelled for festivity, and the squattocracy dressed to the nines in RMs and Akubras, its men stooped by toil and its women brandishing Tupperware out front of big yellowy smiles.

Oil and water, the two groups slide around each other without a word.

If Fashions on the Field has a tinge of Botticelli-arsed amateurism, then the horses are phallically taut and veined, ready for the money shot, their coats flashing the sun.
This is the country Banjo Paterson was thinking of when he wrote, ''For never yet was mountain horse a cur''. It's always breathtaking to watch a charge of horses up close. To be an infantryman for a moment and watch the maelstrom of white eyes and black nostrils as the 10-headed gorgon grows like a train and people drift to the fence with their breaths shortening.
The moment is as primal as a lion attack and would be well called by David Attenborough.

After the third race, I go to the portable loo.
If you took all the urine Melbourne's million barflies pissed in a month and distilled it into an essence and had a thousand unfortunates skol that essence and then collected their urine and distilled that and dried it in the sun and raked up the residual granules and ground them to powder and snorted them … that's what inhaling in the portable loos on a hot day at the Towong racetrack is like … a dizzying ''urinephoria'' that had me hallucinating I was a sea-monkey ceaselessly circumnavigating a fat man's bladder.

When my head clears I find Al Presidente, to get his take on the day so far.
I was at boarding school with him. Once, his mother sent him a home-made cake to assuage his homesickness. He was hunted into the upstairs dorm by larger boys and, as they closed in for the steal, he shouted, ''If I can't have it, nobody can'', and frisbeed the cake out the window. It was wisdom straight from the King Solomon playbook. And he had just enough time to smile and dust his hands together before large rowers hyped on Sustagen beat him senseless while grinning.


''Country Racing Victoria want to close us down,'' he tells me. ''We don't make enough dough. This day costs $75,000 to put on.''

We stop talking to watch a blonde woman in an implausible apricot dress walk past. Taut as a ninja, and as brave, she rode the winner of the second race. If she'd changed out of her silks into this apricot number quicker she could have won Fashions on the Field.

''Where will the city race meetings find horses, trainers and jockeys if there are no country meetings?'' I ask.

Al Presidente shrugs and looks around as if I'm missing the big story. This is no feeder competition to him. This is a day free and clear of all else, made of its own grace and laughter.
This is a community in a salutary moment of affirmation. To close this down would be like taking a tyre-lever to one of those marble cenotaphs that stand at the heart of country towns.

No one listens to victory speeches at picnic race meetings. But I leaned against an elm and listened, covertly, to one. A bow-legged trainer climbed the dais on dodgy knees.
And if I heard right, he began his speech by thanking his missus, and his brother, who lent him the float, and the jockey, who he thought wasn't worth shit until just now.
Then his speech came to a standstill with his mouth hanging open … because he'd realised not one soul of all this crowd was listening.

It's sad to see a man suddenly learn that his life's passion can't postpone a minute of his neighbours' chat, and to watch him step down from what was an elated moment into realization that his victory is a gnat's belch to the world.

A humbling Australian takedown taken straight from the ancient Greek theatre. As he stepped from the dais his hand holding the microphone dropped to his side. But if I can read lips, he finished his speech with ''… pack of pisspot  :censored: s''.

I mention this to Al Presidente. ''Mate,'' he says, ''I can give the exact same speech every year because no one ever listens to a word.''

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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Apr-03, 06:54 PM
Another smorgasbord of comments complaints and opinions in this week's issue of the Wednesday Whinge....nothing stands out IMO. :whistle:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2717-wednesday-whinge-time-to-end-the-farce-and-name-these-rq-boards
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Apr-04, 01:17 PM
That's good.  Nothing is happening at Deagon LOL.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Apr-10, 09:26 AM
Nothing too controversial in this weeks' issue....still it's compulsory reading for those of us who care. :beer:

Rather flimsy excuse for the delay in naming the new boards. :whistle:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2723-wednesday-whinge-ministerial-explanation-of-rq-board-delays
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Apr-11, 12:22 PM
Underwhelmed by the remarks about Bart and Wayne.  Probably bad blood from the workplace there but why air it on your website.  It isn't accurate info either.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Apr-17, 09:08 AM
Some light shed on the reason for delay in announcing composition of the control boards.....with speculation of who is in and who may be out. :o

As well as other issues quite a considerable menu.


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2730-silks-saddles-industry-wants-money-back-cushion-tracks-investigated
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Apr-24, 08:53 AM
There's something for everyone today to be mulled over....even measures to control doping in the USA.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2738-wednesday-whinge-grass-roots-formula-meets-needs-of-rq-with-new-boards
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-May-01, 05:30 PM
Another week another lot of whinges......More Joyous.....BRC almost had a bye.....brickbats from unidentified (members?) over not racing on Anzac Day.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2744-wednesday-whinge-is-singo-s-credibility-shot-with-emergence-of-mouth-that-roars
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-May-08, 09:11 AM
Something for everyone today.........a veritable smorgasbord of opinions and issues. :beer:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2766-wednesday-whinge-controversy-spreads-up-the-east-coast-like-a-plague
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-May-15, 07:42 AM
Not a lot of inspiration in this issue.....a few knockers complaining about redoing EF...diverting funds from other "needy projects"  :whistle:

One contribution in support of Rob Heathcote's unfair treatment. :thumbsup:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2774-wednesday-whinge-is-a-fine-sufficient-penalty-if-gai-is-found-guilty


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Post by: dubbledee on 2013-May-15, 12:03 PM
"As I am an official of a rival club I ask that my identity be with-held. I don’t want my club to suffer because I opened my big mouth."

Ya gotta love this bloke - assuming it's a "he".

By his own admission he was a Bentley supporter.  There was just one SEQ Club that voted AGAINST Bob's plan to run the show till 2025 - and that was QTC.  :bulb:
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-May-20, 12:04 PM
Nice sour preview today of Phil's next big expose....
"They won’t be positive stories, but someone has to write the facts and I guarantee not to hide behind anyone’s skirt on some of the racing stories that must be told publicly."

Gee I wonder if there will be a mention of the "pay for" fictionals or the client mail in the these stories the public needs to know.....let's see.   
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-May-20, 12:16 PM
Oops .  Wrong thread, but you know what I mean.  One seems to be the sister of the other when it comes to expose and sharing the love.  :love:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-May-22, 09:16 AM
Another smorgasbord of issues in this week......more long winded than usual...I haven't time to finish reading ....need to get ready for golf. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2781-wednesday-whinge-perhaps-gentleman-jim-needs-get-smart-s-cone-of-silence

Possibly dubbles comments on the faceless men (the officials of other clubs who contribute anonymously  for fear  of being named (and or shamed)has silenced them (temporarily)  :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jun-05, 08:50 AM
Another collection of views opinions and gossip......some of which may turn out to be true......a very interesting selection....some were too risky to make it. :o


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2797-wednesday-whinge-bizarre-happening-in-the-three-eastern-states-must-be-a-full-moon

The case of Steve Hongo rankles......life for running a quarter horse at a Kooralbyn picnic meeting many years ago...winning then losing his appeal ...now bankrupt and hoping to get leave to appeal to the High Court.......the only thing missing is the reasoning of the learned judges leading to this outcome. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jun-05, 09:12 AM
Arsenal, I suggest that Mr Hogno was poorly advised by his lawyers to progress the way he did.

He skipped appeal and went to the Supreme Court.  Dumb!!!!!  Doing that you put your faith in a judge who is trained to apply law not empathy.  Then he went a second time and copped a serious belting.  Surely a competent lawyer would have advised him of the risks and not just said "we will win this".
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jun-05, 09:26 AM
I also notice that our own DD seems to be writing to LGHR under the new nic of PS of Orange!!!!!!  Next week Ascot will offer similar as PCS of Cake. :dry:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Jun-05, 05:15 PM
Well spotted, Ascot.

But don't give up ya photography job.   :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jun-05, 08:03 PM
Ascot you may be right I'll try to locate the judgments and once I absorb them I will report back. :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jun-06, 01:18 PM
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/qld/QCA/2013/139.html#fnB4


This has been a long legal battle by Mr. Hogno starting when as an owner of a registered race horse Dandy Dozen he ran a quarter horse  Rare Edition in an unregistered meeting at Kooralbyn some time in 1998 and as a consequence was disqualified under the Rules of Racing by stewards of the then control body the QPC.
This meant he thought he was unable to carry on his horse spelling business and as a consequence he lost his livelihood.

After initially failing to have his disqualification lifted  Mr Hogno was successful at his second attempt  in having the disqualification quashed by the Court of Appeal. It appears he then sought to recover damages from the QPC but this claim was rejected and he then appealed that decision to the Court of Appeal  whose decision rejecting his claim and awarding costs against him  is detailed in the link above .

The earlier decisions haven’t been sighted by me one of which is denoted as having been unreported.

The Rule involved is LR 77 which provides for automatic disqualification for participating in unregistered racing although the Kooralbyn meeting had been approved under s135 of the Racing Act .The judgment points out that  .......The Act ... specifically acknowledges the force and effect of the Rules of Racing, and in consequence there is no necessary inconsistency between saying that an event was legal for purposes of the Act but unauthorised so far as the Rules of Racing were concerned.”

AR.197.No person shall be entitled to make any claim for damages by reason or in consequence of the imposition, annulment, removal, mitigation, or remission of any punishment imposed or purporting to be imposed under the Rules.
AR.198.No club, official or member of a club shall be liable to any person for any loss or damage sustained by that person as a result of, or in any way (either directly or indirectly) arising out of the exercise of any right, privilege, power, duty or discretion conferred or imposed, or bona-fide believed to have been conferred or imposed, under the Rules.

Some extracts from the judgment

"The competing contentions in relation to the application of AR 197 and AR 198

[20] It is convenient to start the consideration of the issues raised on appeal with the appellants’ challenge to the finding that their claim fell within both AR 197 and AR 198. Unless the appellants succeed in establishing error in this regard, the appeal must fail.

[21] The appellants argued that the Australian Rules did not apply to those who participated in a combined sports meeting conducted pursuant to a combined sports meeting permit under s 135 of the Act. It was further argued that the appellants were not licensed by the QPC and no “contract theory” could apply the Rules to the appellants’ activities that had nothing to do with their ownership of a registered race horse, Dandy Dozen. “Contract theory” is a reference to the following views expressed by Wanstall SPJ, Hanger CJ and Stable J agreeing, in R v Wadley, ex parte Burton:[22]
.  “The Act ... specifically acknowledges the force and effect of the Rules of Racing, and in consequence there is no necessary inconsistency between saying that an event was legal for purposes of the Act but unauthorised so far as the Rules of Racing were concerned.”

[25] Section 5 of the Act defined “rules of racing” as meaning:
“...the rules for the time being governing and relating to horse racing under the control of the Queensland Principal Club, being with respect to the Queensland Principal Club an amalgamation of the Australian rules of racing as adopted by the club and the local rules of racing of the club together with the regulations made thereunder.”
 “(c) register or license, or refuse to register or license, or cancel or suspend the registration or licence of, a race club, or an owner, trainer, jockey, bookmaker, bookmaker’s clerk or another person associated with racing, or disqualify or suspend any of those persons permanently or for a specified period; and
(d) supervise the activities of race clubs, persons licensed by the Queensland Principal Club and all other persons engaged in or associated with racing; and
...
(k) impose a penalty on a person licensed by it, or an owner of a horse for a contravention of the rules of racing ...”

 [34] The fact that the QPC erred in concluding that there had been a breach of the Rules by Mr Hogno did not prevent the application of AR 197 and AR 198. Those provisions were deliberately expressed to cover circumstances in which persons had suffered loss through the erroneous exercise of powers under the rules provided that the powers exercised were bona fide. Moreover, a misunderstanding of the Rules did not deprive the QPC, through its stewards, of the powers of supervision and regulation conferred by s 11A(1) of the Act, the power to supervise specifically conferred by s 11B(2)(d), the authority conferred by AR 10, and the necessarily incidental power to make appropriate enquiries.[28]

[35] No error has been shown in the primary judge’s finding that AR 197 and AR 198 applied. Nor has it been shown that the primary judge erred in concluding that the loss claimed by the appellants was a “claim for damages by reason or in consequence of the imposition ... of [a] punishment ... purporting to be imposed under the Rules”.[29] Also, to the extent that any loss or damage was shown to have been sustained, it was sustained directly or indirectly “out of the exercise of [a] power, duty or discretion ... bona-fide believed to have been conferred or imposed, under the Rules”.[30]

[36] The consequence of the foregoing conclusion is that the appeal must fail.”

It now appears that Mr Hogno is seeking leave to appeal to the High Court no doubt he will be required to provide security for costs which on the face of it is likely to be an obstacle. :shutup:

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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jun-06, 03:16 PM
Thanks Arsenal.  Which goes to prove the outcome gets decided by jurists who can only interpret the Act and Rules before them. and who cannot take into consideration the impact (be it good or bad) of  the decision on the appellant.   Such is Westminster justice. 

It is a bit like a person found guilty of a crime for which the punishment is execution, and protesting "but that will kill me". 

I still think that any person "trapped by innocence" in a legal conundrum should first ask their legal counsel, despite having a sound arguement to go  forward with,  what are the realistic chances of success and what will it cost me.  If the answer is that there is likely to be equally sound opposing arguement and to lose would bankrupt you, then surely it would merit a long hard think. Crying poor after the gamble has been taken does not really have legs.

If the advice was go for it, you can't lose, then I would want to sue the lawyer who gave it.  Otherwise this man has been somewhat foolish from the beginning.  A few hundred bucks spent on a legal opinion at the outset might have been the wise way to go.  Better than risking bankruptcy anyway.
I always remember a lawyer once telling me that he had searched the Statutes for a law that prohibited "that's not fair" outcomes, and there are none.

The English dramatist George Chapman wrote in 1654.....

Ere he shall lose an eye for such a trifle... For doing deeds of nature! I'm ashamed. The law is such an ass.

Not a lot has changed in 360 years.
   
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jun-06, 07:18 PM
You're right in a sense Ascot......he could have done as others involved in that Kooralbyn meeting did and appealed the QPC disqualification and had it lifted.

As it was the disqualification was quashed the following year by the Court of Appeal.

The judgment of Justice Glenn Martin puts the facts into context.....this is the case where Mr Hongo sought damages for his unlawful disqualification by the QPC  which was dismissed and costs orders made.

http://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment/2012/QSC12-303.pdf

Damages
[97] Given my findings above, the plaintiffs‘ action must be dismissed. Nevertheless, I
will refer to the claim for damages briefly. The claim for damages was under three
heads:
(a) a loss on the sale of the property owned by the plaintiffs;
(b) a loss of opportunity associated with the racehorse ―Dandy Dozen‖;
and
(c) a loss of income associated with horse stud/spelling and sale
preparation business.
Loss on sale of property
[98] In 1998 the plaintiffs purchased ―Barnesmore‖, a property of about 100 acres at
Hodgsonvale.43

[99] The plaintiffs allege that, as a result of the disqualification, they were forced to sell
the property in January 2000. The sale price was $355,000, which was $15,000
more than the price they paid for the property in 1998. For reasons which never
became clear, the plaintiffs claim damages for the ―loss on sale of Hodgsonvale
property‖ as at 13 October 2005. The valuation evidence, which I accept, was that
the property at that time would have been worth $750,000. But the plaintiffs did not
establish why that date was relevant, apart from it appearing to be the date on which
the valuer that they engaged inspected the property.

[100] The plaintiffs made a profit when they sold the property in the year 2000. There was
no evidence that, if they could have kept it, they would have kept the property until
the year 2005. No loss was established under this heading.
Loss on opportunity associated with the racehorse “Dandy Dozen”

[101] This is a claim for loss of the chance of future wins from the horse ―Dandy Dozen‖.
However, the evidence which was advanced to support it was not put forward as a
loss of a chance but rather a complete compensation on the basis that another horse
―Lean Lad‖ had won a certain number of races and that ―Dandy Dozen‖ would have
won the same. This was all a fairy tale. A forensic accountant‘s report was tendered
but it was of no assistance. The author knew nothing about the racing industry and
relied entirely on what he was told by Mr Hogno, having made no substantial
inquires of his own. I disregard it for that reason.

[102] Similarly, no evidence was advanced to establish that ―Lean Lad‖ was comparable
to ―Dandy Dozen‖. To the contrary, Mr Schreck, who was called by the defendants,
gave detailed evidence to say that the two horses were not comparable and that
evidence was unchallenged.

[103] No damages were established under this heading.

43 At the time of purchase there were two other persons who were purchasers with the plaintiffs. I
accept that their interest was bought out by the plaintiffs before the facts the subject of this case came
into existence.

26
Loss of income associated with horse stud/spelling and sale preparation business.

[104] This part of the plaintiffs‘ claim was based upon the assumption that the plaintiffs‘
disqualification prevented them from doing this type of work. The defendants‘
answer to this head of damage was to refer to AR 182.
[105] It provides:
―(1) Except with the consent of the Committee that imposed the
disqualification, a person disqualified by the stewards or
Committee of a Principal Club shall not during the period of
that disqualification:-
(a) Enter upon any racecourse or training track owned,
operated or controlled by a Club or any land used in
connection therewith;
(b) Enter upon any training complex or training
establishment of any Club or licensed person;
(c) Be employed or engaged in any capacity in any
racing stable;
(d) Ride any racehorse in any race, trial or test;
(e) Enter or nominate any racehorse for any race or
official barrier trial whether acting as agent or
principal;
(f) Subscribe to any sweepstakes;
(g) Race or have trained any horse whether as owner,
trainer, lessee or otherwise;
(h) Share in the winnings of any horse.
(2) No person who in the opinion of the committee or the
stewards is a close associate of a disqualified person shall be
permitted to train or race any horse.‖

[106] The disqualification to which Mr Hogno and Ms Lee were subjected only prevented
them from doing the activities listed above. It did not prevent them from doing any
of the three activities under this claim head of damage. They could still have
engaged in the spelling of horses, the preparation for sale of horses and stud
services.

[107] The evidence given by Mr Hogno with respect to his costs of running the business
as he had conducted it prior to the disqualification was generally unreliable. I would
not have been prepared to have acted upon his evidence with respect to the costs he
incurred.

Terry Butts article suggests he may not have read the judgments or have been in possession of all the facts. :shutup:

IMO it seems to be a draconian rule that resulted in Mr Hogno being disqualified leading to his mistaken belief that there was a case for compensation involving a lengthy legal battle .......which turned out to be a Quixotic disaster.

Still a very interesting case from an observer's point of view.
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jun-11, 09:03 AM
This Terry Butts bloke writs a pearler line this week about the Hogno debacle.....

The only fair dinkum outcome is for RQ to lift the life ban imposed on Steve Hogno – and tear up the legal costs.

Putting aside whether or not the Hogno bloke has been harshly dealt with for misunderstanding the Rules of Racing, it was Mr Hogno, not RQ that had the throw at the stumps in the Supreme Court.  The day you start one of those only a fool would not understand that this will cost you a motza if you lose.  The case he put was pretty ordinary according to the judge.  Not surprisingly, he lost.

Now Butts says it's not fair so let the industry pay the legal costs for winning. Why?

Am I missing something?
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Post by: monologue on 2013-Jun-11, 03:19 PM
This Terry Butts bloke writs a pearler line this week about the Hogno debacle.....

The only fair dinkum outcome is for RQ to lift the life ban imposed on Steve Hogno – and tear up the legal costs.

Putting aside whether or not the Hogno bloke has been harshly dealt with for misunderstanding the Rules of Racing, it was Mr Hogno, not RQ that had the throw at the stumps in the Supreme Court.  The day you start one of those only a fool would not understand that this will cost you a motza if you lose.  The case he put was pretty ordinary according to the judge.  Not surprisingly, he lost.

Now Butts says it's not fair so let the industry pay the legal costs for winning. Why?

Am I missing something?

Yes ascot the e off writes
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jun-11, 06:20 PM
Looks more certain now than before that Terry isn't in possession of all the facts and hasn't bothered to read the latest judgment on Mr Hogno's claim for damages ...otherwise he wouldn't be pushing the same barrow. :rolleyes:

One thing he does appear to recognise due to his dire financial position is that  Mr Hogno's chances of getting leave to appeal to the High Court are negligible although a senior silk is quoted as believing he has a case. :o
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jun-12, 08:40 AM
Another eclectic selection of views gripes and opinions in this weeks' issue. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2805-wednesday-whinge-on-course-bookies-under-attack-over-stradbroke-day-prices

Lead story on the poor service provided by bookies on Stradbroke day......and Steve Hogno is going to meet Jim O'Sullivan the newly appointed Racing Integrity Commissioner.......who unlike Terry Butts will expected to be in possession of all the facts and will be familiar with the reasons for judgment by the courts.

Notably the fact that Steve's lifetime disqualification was quashed by the Court of Appeal around the year 2000 seems to have gone unreported in the newspapers pushing his case. :o
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jun-19, 09:25 AM
Due to circumstances beyond their control there's no Wednesday Whinge so far this week....it might show up by Friday. :whistle:

Let's hope it isn't anything too serious. :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jun-26, 05:35 PM
Pleased to see John Lingard is back on deck after heart surgery and The Wednesday Whinge up and running. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2819-wednesday-whinge-were-the-stewards-made-the-scapegoats-in-oliver-finding
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jul-03, 09:41 AM
Reasonably diverse selection this week...one about drugs in the USA should be worth checking out. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2825-wednesday-whinge-will-inquiry-get-to-bottom-of-cushion-track-fiasco

Great photo from AP I suspect when it was high tide...Justin McCarthy with the dust coat was Mario's brother...both long dead.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jul-10, 08:33 AM
A lot of hot air over the TTC grass track costs......fairly mild opinions......the red ranters might be in the poor house....or taken the week off. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2829-wednesday-whinge-track-debate-transforms-toowoomba-into-political-football
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Post by: arthur on 2013-Jul-10, 11:44 AM
An interesting 'potshot' at the Rockhampton Bookies and their percentages

What the potter didn't mention was that of the 7 starters in the race concerned . .

1 was a first starter (an unknown quantity)
2 were second starters (who can improve their own weight after a trip to the races)
1 was a third starter (ditto)

It doesn't matter if you are V. Aspinall or I. Layem it is pretty hard to frame an accurate market around a field like that

AND

That the photographic evidence to support his 'whinge' was recorded 20 minutes before the jump . . The TAB fixed odds boys don't go up until 10 minutes before . . after the local fielders have copped the early fire, and after TAB has copped a few 'leads' from local boys' flucs and the money invested on their pari-mutuel . .

The local fielders also bet each-way not win-place where place odds are well below the quarter or in this case one-third . . which also requires a bit more margin

The on course bookies have to hold money to win and that is becoming more difficult with the inroads of the Corps and the Jolly Green Giant.

 As an ex-Bookie's ex-clerk I realise that sadly the attrition rate will continue, and uninformed rockthrowers will not help

PS

Reports I get are that 3 men and a dog used to attend the Rocky races, till the dog died . . so the Books there are not swimming in turnover
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jul-10, 03:09 PM
Bookies at country tracks turn up out of habit these days.  They can't come to bet, surely.

More "facts", "givens" and "assumptions" that Tmba was driven to cushion by drought.  Totally untrue.  The options were to spend money on water recycling infrastructure and turf upgrade OR go cushion.  Would have cost the same.  Bob wanted cushion and had sycophants on Board.  Industry never wanted a bar of it.
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Post by: arthur on 2013-Jul-10, 03:45 PM
Bob wanted cushion

And the $64 question as to 'why' may never be answered

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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jul-10, 07:05 PM
Correct Arthur.  And we may never know.
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jul-11, 12:35 PM
I think the owner of Nastro Blu lost his confidence as well.  :whistle:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Jul-11, 03:33 PM
How are yours going?

:whistle:
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Post by: sharply on 2013-Jul-16, 09:47 AM
Worth a read today for those who would like a lesson in Tantrum throwing.Terry Butts ,a hater of Corporate Bookies from day dot gives a few "doozies".Like "a national tote would immediately end the corporate bookies massive advantage of offering the best of all Australian tote dividends"-It would do nothing of the sort-Corporates could just adjust what they offer ,like a certain % ABOVE the declared divvy-or a rebate system on turnover-or maybe money back for 4th on certain sized fields or whatever-Very easy to give something better than a National Tote divvy.Tantrum Terry also draws revealing comparisons between Hong Kong racing & betting & ours-yeah,right on TB,they have 2 race meetings a week & close down at the end of a season for a population of ??-We race ,every day,every week & how many meetings does this add up to compared to HK for our population of  ??-The rant continues about "the unwanted overseas-owned betting cartels that are raping our racing"-Firstly,overseas Corporations operate in all facets of Australian Life-Profits in a spectrum of things we purchase every day go overseas.It works the other way as well-Aussie Companies also operate overseas & bring profits back here.
I have been on the punt for nearly 50 yrs & the prices & conditions I now bet under are the best I have ever experienced.I can certainly do without a hair-brained ex-Bookie like Butts doing his best to put me back to the getting screwed position I have spent most of my betting life in.Yes,I know these bad Corporates cut back or fob off some who may be just too good ,but that's not the vast majority of us,so please ,how about someone just stick up for us for a change !
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Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Jul-16, 10:50 AM
Strange how we have at least 3 racing wizards (self-professed) writing nonsense on websites.

What a pity they don't get off their rear-ends.  Firstly, educate themselves in the realities of racing in 2013, and secondly, contribute to racings' success.
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Post by: arthur on 2013-Jul-16, 03:05 PM
Well Buttsy just got off his rear end and led in a winner . . not a bad price either  :whistle:

He too has been in the industry all his life in one form or another

Like everyone, he is not right 100% of the time . . but his opinions need to be considered and not dismissed out of hand

Hair-brained or hare-brained he is not
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jul-16, 03:26 PM
No doubt Arthur, we are all worthy of having our opinions aired, but that does not make anyone right.  I totally disagree with Butt's outright dismissal of the Toowoomba funding as a waste of money.  One might argue with the priority given to that project, especially if your home track in T'vlle needs repair, but to call it a waste of Industry funds is plain stupid.  :yes:

Similarly, the editorial on Monday that whines about Brisbane racing being difficult to win at is based primarily on the seeming inability of the editor and other ratings experts to find winners.  Maybe they are just tipping / backing the wrong horses.  It can happen  :whistle:

I am often amused by the occasional tip from Phil Purser where he qualifies it with statements to protect...suggesting if it loses, the tipster remains the expert but the trainer is no good. 

These noble scribes are just bloggers like the rest of us.  Their pedistals are self made.
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Post by: arthur on 2013-Jul-16, 05:42 PM
I totally disagree with Butt's outright dismissal of the Toowoomba funding as a waste of money.

 The 'Toowoomba funding' can be divided into

 . . conversion to cushion funding

 . . reversion to grass funding

Very hard to argue that the conversion to cushion was not 'a waste of money' . . the reversion is probably consequential necessary spending to remedy that waste
 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jul-16, 06:53 PM
I think it's a waste.......only an opinion.....as Ascot proclaimed earlier today " we are all worthy of having our opinions aired,"

I take it that includes Phil  :beer:

And wot is a pedistals  :lol:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Jul-16, 07:24 PM
Of course they can have an opinion.

It's the repeated denigration of decent people and selective memory when selling crap that causes some to be brought to account.   :bulb:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jul-17, 09:17 AM
Crikey.....some punters sounding off about the reversals last week .....and a suggestion for a levy on pokies to go towards funding race track renovations.

Quite a wide range of issues this week. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2836-wednesday-whinge-should-pokie-levy-help-fund-racetrack-upgrade
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Post by: arthur on 2013-Jul-17, 09:51 AM
Including one about a mystery witness to appear at 'The Inquiry' which has a certain TAB club trembling in its boots . .

My guess is that most TAB clubs would have a few skeletons in the closets  :shutup:
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Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jul-17, 12:10 PM
 Toowoomba, people need to separate the issues.

The original Toowoomba was a buoyant racing centre (training & racing) that was beset with problems around available water. 
The need was to find ways of supplying water for the turf training and racing surfaces.
Proven technologies existed, as did the knowledge on how to address the problem.......stormwater recycling, rainwater retention & storage, sewerage mining etc.  But it would cost money to install the infrastructure.

Running concurrently to this was a Control Body fascination with unproven synthetic track technology.  This was based around emerging applications of synthetic tracks for training  in Europe & Asia and for racing in USA. 
Funding was offered to Toowoomba for synthetic not water solutions (excuse the pun).  It divided the racing community in Toowoomba and the race club yielded to pressure that cushion was on the table, but water was not.  Some claim that the club decision was achieved by "branch stacking", and that allegation may be examined by the Commission of Inquiry.

The synthetic track failed on all fronts....there was poor acceptance by punters, it was discarded by many stables, it became a "specialist" surface that yielded different formlines away from Toowoomba, the track itself was beset with technical  useage problems.  Crowds fell away, punters voted by not betting on it, stables left for other training venues, and maintenance costs soared.

Fundamentally the Control Body got it wrong, seriously wrong.......it failed, it flopped, Toowoomba racing was stuffed.  The money was wasted and would have been better spent on fixing the water problem, not the racing surface.

Now, what to do.  Where in the rule book does it say that you get only one bite a fixing a problem?  Where does it say that a Control Body is not compelled to fix something that has failed or been broken?  It doesn't.  Toowoomba is a significant part of the racing industry in Queensland.  You fix assets not discard them.

Some will call this whole sorry saga a waste of money.  I see it differently...I call it a sad misadventure that was always likely when poor governance is applied.  Can happen in any business.  But anyone with the capacity for making a reasonable analysis will surely offer that Control Body V2 is compelled to repair what Control Body V1 mucked.  The alternative was to wind the place up and walk away.  Who in here would vote for that?

   

   
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Jul-18, 11:53 AM
The point's already been made, but those who don't wanna know it need to be reminded.

Part of the "Cushion deal" was the ongoing maintenance of the track.  The Cushion is such a "high-tech" item that only those who put it down could maintain it - at a very high cost.

When looking at the Toowoomba disaster, RQL had to factor in the cost of maintenance.  Waste MORE money on something that had ruined Twba racing (and eventually have to rip it up)?  or bite the bullet and rip it up NOW??

IMO, the correct decision has been made.

Sadly, I don't see any guarantee of a resurgence in the Twba product.  But we gotta try.  :bulb:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: The Baker on 2013-Jul-18, 12:17 PM
Doubles

Agree wholeheartedly with you and Ascot.

The TTC members had the gun held at their head by Bentley and unless they voted for the cushion, he was going to send them broke and take them over. So now the options are to either close the joint down or spend the money and go back to grass, so it is a no brainer, even though it is a huge drain on the industry.

Townsville could have had a new track laid and upgraded facilities a few years ago if Bentley had allowed them to sell off spare land they had adjoining the course, when real estate prices were good. But no, he wanted to send them broke and take them over as well.

Bentley and the previous RQL board have got so much to answer for, by bringing this great industry to its knees in Queensland and we can only hope that this enquiry can find the truth of what went on and if criminal activity can be uncovered, then those responsible should face lengthy jail terms.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jul-19, 08:02 AM
My question is.......what evidence is there that the decision to rip up the track and replace it with grass is based on sound business principles... was it properly considered and not just a momentary lapse .......or  a rush of blood like when Bob & Bill  adopted  the essential retention strategy for the four irreplaceable executives that cost $1.85M  (small beer compared to returfing Clifford Park $20) which turned out to be a most excessive exit strategy?  :whistle:

Surely not a case of mates helping mates as  has been suggested by some....Dixon  :heart: Frappell

I have no vested interest in the matter but it seems to me that there would be a lot more benefit of spending this money on bringing EF up to scratch irrespective of the fact that Toowoomba shouldn't have been ripped up to begin with. :bulb:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jul-19, 09:41 AM

And wot is a pedistals pedestal  :embarrassed:  :lol:  

Arsenal, some (but not all) scribes earn a reputable status by being able to orate truthfully, factually, sensibly, ethically and eruditely, irrespective of their message being positive OR negative.  Readers will inevitably place such people on a pedestal and will value their effort and perspective.
(http://s16.postimg.org/hx5cesvzl/Pedestal_PSF.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/hx5cesvzl/)

Self appointed FIGJAMS who seem to pervade the Internet purporting to be credible, expert racing websites (and these phantoms exist, as we all know) will attract some limited attention but will remain unvalued.  These are not scribes, but merely bloggers and they appear to have difficulty matching the real thing.  No harm in that, but people need to be aware of the differences.
(http://s9.postimg.org/k9pfayvbv/Pedestal_squat_toilet.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/k9pfayvbv/)
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: whispering on 2013-Jul-19, 10:41 PM
Ascot, why do you have so much hate for websites such as this one?

Is it because you are not successful in the public eye as these people?

So sad. You and DD complain about lghr and just racing yet dont have a go yourselves.


Look how many views and replies this thread and the other does. At least 80% of you and DD having a cry because you do not have a popular website.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: whispering on 2013-Jul-19, 10:43 PM
Also there is a reason why lghr and Jr are popluar (well popular enough for the qld gang to attack em).

They actually have opinons and not just boring news. Racingb*tch is probably the best website out there.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: ratsack on 2013-Jul-19, 10:44 PM
Ascot, why do you have so much hate for websites such as this one?

Is it because you are not successful in the public eye as these people?

So sad. You and DD complain about lghr and just racing yet dont have a go yourselves.


Look how many views and replies this thread and the other does. At least 80% of you and DD having a cry because you do not have a popular website.

whiss  :whistle:

you pissed tonight or just trolling   :chin:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jul-20, 08:59 AM
Ah, the Whisperer has been sucking lemons again.  Get over it mate.  If you can't discern ordinary from excellent there is no hope for you.  Otherwise, just settle back and enjoy the ongoing debate.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jul-24, 09:24 AM
Lots of criticism over an RQ day out at Hatton Vale last Monday...not everyone was invited...but an enthusiastic communicator is a welcome addition to the ranks :beer:.

And some bookies in Sydney held up at gunpoint and robbed....these days you would think the bookies would know better and use the security companies which I thought most did........Bernie McKenna who is no longer with us was bashed and robbed almost at his front door after the races many years ago and Rocklea bookies suffered loss before joining the security collection....that was after their takings were locked in the club safe ...and someone broke in and stole it...very suspicious indeed....and he was never caught or bought to trial . :shutup:


 http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2840-wednesday-whinge-we-run-as-one-campaign-stalled-on-the-launch-pad
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: whispering on 2013-Jul-24, 09:50 AM
I do enjoy eating lemons
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: ricochet88 on 2013-Jul-24, 10:08 AM
Arsenal,
            All the thieves got off the bookie was a couple of laptop computers and the bookie bags. These days the bookie said most big bets are on commission or over the phone and any cash is lodged with armoured car at racecourse.

             Obviously not the smartest of robbers .
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jul-24, 10:20 AM
If you read the story in detail, the type of perp is obvious.....police should be able to find them at the next Collingwood match.   :biggrin:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jul-24, 10:27 AM
Not sure what the fuss is about regarding the Hatton Vale thingie.  Remember there are a few Bentley loyalists still out there uncomfortable with the new regime's decisions.  Just sounds like it was a simple  photo shoot for an upcoming marketing campaign and they needed a rentacrowd.  Bit like making a KFC commercial. 

I suggest that this time the rockthrowers have misinterpreted the intent.  They have tried to employ industry people for free, rather than employ actors.  Suggest wait until we see the campaign before making judgements.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: arthur on 2013-Jul-24, 12:01 PM
      All the thieves got off the bookie was a couple of laptop computers and the bookie bags.

             Obviously not the smartest of robbers .


The thing that bothers me about LGHR's take on the story was their observation that no punters would be upset by the robbery

I would hope that anyone worth their salt, would be upset about about gutless gun-wielding bludgers holding anybody up; butcher, baker, or candlestick-maker

It doesn't seem that long ago that Les Tidmarsh was killed in a similar scenario

 A far cry from a humorous situation
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jul-24, 07:58 PM
I agree Arthur.....no joy in that story.

And here's an obvious mistake from a Ray Murrihy quote which didn't escape my eagle eyes......."“The rider was weighed out wrong. It had to be that. There is no other explanation. I’ve had a bee in my bonnet over this for 20 years. We have argued around the stewards’ conference table. If the punter can’t win, he should be able to lose. We should be able to declare the horse a scratching.” :o

He meant to say "If the punter can't win he shouldn't be able to lose." touche :thumbsup:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jul-28, 11:42 AM
I found this quote in the recently discovered Bob Bentley thread.  I was from Bob Bentley about the push for Cushion in Toowoomba way back when.  It was offered by the racing boss when the debate about replacing the grass track was in full swing.  

"In a letter sent to members yesterday, Bentley told them a vote against Cushion Track would see the entire $10 million offer to upgrade Clifford Park withdrawn. He said not all of the 57 TAB meetings currently held in Toowoomba would be returned.

Bentley also said Queensland Racing Limited (QRL) would seek to recoup costs already spent on the project and would not allow racing in Toowoomba if the track fell below "a suitable standard".

On top of that, race dates had already been allocated for the year and as Toowoomba was scheduled for closure between February 11 and July 11, no racing would be staged in the city in that period.

The QRL boss told The Chronicle yesterday that his board would not "muck around" any more and if members voted against Cushion Track, they would have to suffer the consequences."

If that is not undue pressure and coercion, I don't know what is.  You can't blame the TTC for taking back what is rightfully theirs today.  People who use LGHR to whinge about the current decision to go back to grass need to remember that Toowoomba never wanted Cushion, but were given little choice but to observe the Bentley ultimatum.  Suggestions to use the available $10M funding for water recycling infrastructure and grass track upgrade were steadfastly rejected by the then QRL regime at Deagon.  Bob will now get his chance to justify his commitment to the cushion lemon soon in the Qld Commission of Inquiry into the Racing Industry.  

Sometimes these whinges need to be interpreted in context for what they are.....pure bull :crap:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Jul-31, 08:22 AM
Always interesting to see what our comrades in punting think about things. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2845-wednesday-whinge-racing-minister-didn-t-answer-tough-questions-at-estimates-hearing
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Jul-31, 09:53 AM
I think some of those LGHR correspondents read this site first. 
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Aug-07, 07:28 AM
A mixed bag this week.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2850-wednesday-whinge-punters-far-from-happy-with-smack-on-wrist-for-french-jockey
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Aug-07, 10:04 AM
Must be the change of season.  Some quality editorial content this week.  Credit where it is due.

The only misshit that amuses me is the demand made to "fix" Brisbane racing so the punter can win.  Now how the hell do you do that?  Ban the horses that hardly ever win, de-license  trainers with poor strike rates, sack the stewards ? I find it incredulous that a gambler, who should understand risks or not be punting, blames the race results for their losses and not give a thought that they might have picked the wrong horses to bet on.   
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Aug-07, 08:37 PM
Must be the change of season.  Some quality editorial content this week.  Credit where it is due.

The only misshit that amuses me is the demand made to "fix" Brisbane racing so the punter can win.    

What's so wrong with this, Ascot?

You don't think every punter should be winning??

Fair dinkum.  Makes ya wonder.   :lol:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Sep-04, 08:24 AM
Well worth reading today.....a heads up on the Qld Racing Inquiry......where to find the statements by key persons of interest......and when the inquiry opens how to watch it live......in addition to other newsworthy items gathered at no expense to our goodselves . :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2873-wednesday-whinge-racing-inquiry-hots-up-you-can-watch-it-live
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2013-Sep-04, 08:38 AM
There wouldn't be much if it weren't for the efforts of other journos.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Sep-04, 08:56 AM
Well worth reading today.....a heads up on the Qld Racing Inquiry......where to find the statements by key persons of interest......and when the inquiry opens how to watch it live......in addition to other newsworthy items gathered at no expense to our goodselves . :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2873-wednesday-whinge-racing-inquiry-hots-up-you-can-watch-it-live

Oi!!!!  Arsenal.   That "news" went up here long before LGHR reported on it.    Topic: Queensland Racing Commission of Inquiry 2007/12
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Ascot on 2013-Sep-04, 09:01 AM
I am wondering if one of respondents (or a close confidant of) making a statement to the Commission is our own Willy / Max or Garduen  :whistle:  I might even turn Max back on to enjoy the pain.   :biggrin:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Sep-11, 08:59 AM
Crikey...it's a long drawn out episode this week......a cup a tea and some iced vo vos would sweeten things up.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2881-wednesday-whinge-racing-nsw-stewards-under-fire-over-inconsistency-in-more-joyous-saga
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Oct-02, 08:29 AM
Quite a bit of news this issue and a good range of issues...well worth taking a peek. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/2904-wednesday-whinge-an-interesting-take-on-the-appeal-win-by-munce

Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Oct-09, 07:49 AM
Story on the Gotcha squad in Victoria included this little episode of how the catcher didn't get his catch.

"Times, and methods, have indeed changed. Over the decades there have been funny episodes.

Pre-Villella and Ashby, an investigator in a black ute followed a suspected rogue trainer through the state’s backroads.

He pounced when the horse float pulled up outside a cemetery, convinced horses were being illegally stomach tubed.

The investigator launched himself into the back of the float with his camera clicking away madly, got back in his ute convinced he had his man and headed back to the office. Sadly, he discovered the lens cap had not been removed."  :lol:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: bronx on 2013-Oct-09, 08:23 AM
Quote
THE FORM STUDENT WITH THE CRYSTAL BALL

FORM student with a crystal ball was spot-on last Saturday when he declared one across the line in Brisbane.

Not only did he predict it would be heavily backed but – as has happened on several occasions in the past – he forecast how the race would be run.

His mobile message to letsgohorseracing early in the day was plain, simple and spot on:

Stop complaining about what’s happening on the track. Just back the ones I tell you and enjoy the profits like the rest of us. Nothing you write is going to make any difference.

Perhaps he’s right!

Is this common knowledge of the good things.
If not where can we find out what these good things are.
If we can all find out then I agree, let them continue so we can all back the winners.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2013-Oct-09, 08:45 AM
I'm only guessing Bronx but the tip was possibly Listen Son who was backed even though it went disgracefully the run before at a distance which suited it  and has won at...whereas on Saturday it was racing on a track  and distance it had never won on but had been placed a few times ...this time it led all the way....must check and see if the stewards said anything about this massive reversal. :whistle:

What the stewards report stated......"When questioned regarding the improved performance of LISTEN SON, stable representative Mr John Fleming explained that the horse had recovered well from its disappointing performance at Eagle Farm and appreciated the step up in distance and firm track today, and also the advantage of apprentice M. Vance's claim. The explanation was noted."

Everthing's OK .....very plausible reason for reversal .....lets see if we can get the Tips from now on. :beer:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jan-29, 07:50 AM
Lots of news and views this week in the Wednesday Whinge plus other issues of enlightenment on the main page. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3001-wednesday-whinge-more-questions-the-rq-chairman-isn-t-likely-to-answer
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Feb-06, 06:32 AM
We run as one appears to be anything but true according to this weeks' episode of the Wednesday Whinge which opines there is disharmony between the driver and the co pilots behind the wheel of RQ......other tidbits of gossip information and speculation as well as stories gathered from racing pages interstate make interesting reading......info that stewards are aware of another drug already detected in harness racing but haven't yet established thresholds is a worry.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3007-wednesday-whinge-dramas-unfolding-behind-the-scenes-at-racing-queensland
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Feb-12, 07:15 PM
It seems there's dissension in the boardroom of  Deagon bunker with head man Kevin Dixon getting a puzzling on the Wednesday Whinge with a call for him to stand aside to make way for the independent member Barry Taylor a Townsville solicitor to takeover......one of the recommendations from the Racing Inquiry is for a independent member to chair the All codes board but if memory serves me right it was not before 2015 or 16. :bulb:

Racing Minister Dickson won't be happy with one correspondent rating hisself  below Merri Rose......personally I don't think he is that bad. :shutup:

Lots of other whinges from stake holders and others. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3013-wednesday-whinge-the-more-things-change-at-rq-the-more-they-stay-the-same
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Feb-19, 07:18 PM
Unfortunately I haven't heard the interview conducted by Dashing Dave Fowler with RQ chair Kevin Dixon broadcast on radio TAB on Monday but there are contrary opinions on it which feature in this weeks edition  of the Wednesday Whinge ....along with a number of other issues .....including a widely held view that the current racing minister The Hon Dicko is an embarrassment of major proportions. :shutup:





http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3017-wednesday-whinge-who-s-pulling-both-dicks-in-rq-pinocchio-land
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Feb-26, 05:00 PM
http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3023-wednesday-whinge-how-well-is-toowoomba-really-travelling
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Mar-04, 11:53 AM
Yeah, to some it will look "odd" if it's true that Heathcote will end up $25k better off than previously.

But maybe he was being treated most unfairly under the previous arrangement?

Has anyone considered that point???
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Mar-04, 12:24 PM
My point is, do you know what Heathcote (for example) was paying last year, relative to what others were paying?

A reduction of $25k - if that is correct - might be righting an injustice?

Is that possible???
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: arthur on 2014-Mar-04, 12:37 PM
Never heard of him whinging about it . .

Or threatening to head north to get relief
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: vadim on 2014-Mar-04, 01:44 PM
My point is, do you know what Heathcote (for example) was paying last year, relative to what others were paying?

A reduction of $25k - if that is correct - might be righting an injustice?

Is that possible???

Anything I add might only inflame the issue given Rob trains for me but rest assured the whole system is totally unjust and is need of a drastic overhaul.

What are the other States doing? I understand NSW is aligned with the new proposal so what do the NSW country trainers think?

And before anyone posts that they get compensated with all starters getting rebates - the Owners' do, not the trainers. What do Queensland Owners get?

I like the way posters can drop 8k profits/25k reductions as if they have access to the gents books.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Mar-05, 08:13 AM
Another powerful episode of the Wednesday Whinge for the edification of dedicated viewers and or sceptics and non believers. :beer:



http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3027-wednesday-whinge-toowoomba-turf-club-refutes-food-poisoning-claims
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Mar-05, 08:46 AM
The workers compensation issue is a difficult one to resolve to the satisfaction of the competing interests.....the small country based trainers many with no paid staff to speak of ...maybe cash in the hand for some .....and the professional trainers who have large wages bills on which they were charged a premium to cover staff if injured in the course of their employment ......now they are all up for $65 a starter which on the face of it seems to me to be excessive.....but reportedly of benefit to the professional trainers........in all cases the cost is a business expense which I assume is passed on to owners......so you would think the Owners Association would have an interest in this......and the Workcover Act imposes an obligation on employers to insure staff so the government is also involved.....it's an insurance issue designed to provide a social security benefit to injured workers......it's many years since I had any involvement in workers compensation...but I do know a guy who is expert in this field......maybe RQ should seek some outside counsel from someone independent and capable of bringing all parties together in some form of mediation. :beer:   
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: monologue on 2014-Mar-06, 08:42 AM
Yawn
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Mar-12, 06:44 AM
Several critical opinions expressed  on the outpourings of RLH and his jockey following the latter's six week suspension and a blast from the past on Larry Olsen's history with Ray Murrihy when he was chief stipe in BrisVegas....following Larry's contribution designed to soften up the appeal tribunal ...very much conjecture ...but  all very interesting just the same. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3034-wednesday-whinge-if-robbie-wants-to-know-what-s-wrong-he-should-ask-the-punters
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Mar-19, 05:49 PM
Another episode of the Wednesday Whinge to inform educate amuse or infuriate.  :lol:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3045-wednesday-whinge-rq-finally-gets-around-to-spending-millions-inherited-for-greyhounds
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Mar-25, 03:14 PM
The website popular with many of us for its independence and willingness to give us the rank and file a voice has on economic grounds decided to take paid advertisements which IMO is a sensible decision to keep the service  afloat  you can't live on love alone.......and to offer a subscription service for Late Mail for those who need it. :thumbsup:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Mar-26, 06:57 AM
Another bumper edition of the Wednesday Whinge to please or displease readers depending on your own point of view.

Before getting down to business the serious case of Nathan Berry is drawn to our attention  with a request from the family for privacy and that we keep Nathan in our prayers for a complete recovery. :thumbsup:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3051-wednesday-whinge-can-anyone-recall-racing-in-qld-being-in-a-bigger-mess

There's a very critical piece by an unidentified writer who I suspect is someone we know seeing he used the nic of a well known and long standing member of our venerable group. :whistle:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: monologue on 2014-Mar-26, 12:22 PM
Arsie  in regards to the forum nick I have seen that used before in the press when referring to the two D's.

It was a passionate plea from a racing type but the writer didn't express anything new .
I can't be bothered even going to my racing club any more but am still in contact with plenty of racing fans and they are all in agreement that the the present inaction by those who are supposedly in charge is of a major concern.

Let's hope something is done soon to put some zing back into Qld racing.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Spudda028 on 2014-Mar-26, 12:29 PM
i thought this site was laright til I saw this

With all due respects to the websites he likes to belt at every opportunity, RQ boss Kevin Dixon will find The Sunday Mail and its refreshing approach to racing courtesy of Editor Peter Gleeson a far tougher adversary to walk all over.

His supporters won’t be able to encourage racing stakeholders not to read or advertise with The Sunday Mail like they allegedly are doing with websites like letsgohorseracing and justracing.

Reckon they'd be queing up to advertise with just racing with all the credibility he brings to the table.....
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Mar-26, 06:08 PM
Spudda this is the Letsgohorseracing site..we are on ...... you've taken a wrong turn and got your websites mixed up. :stop:

John LIngard apparently thinks bringing Peter Cameron back to the Sunday Mail is a step forward...it remains to be seen how that'll work out.....there is obviously no such affection for Bart Sinclair  who is described in unflattering terms and the suggestion there is a conspiracy afoot with Bart involved in cloak and dagger operations. :o
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Apr-01, 10:08 PM
This is a first for me......the Wednesday Whinge published on Tuesday so it's my privilege to alert you to the fact that here it is.....a day ahead of time. :beer:

A word of caution though...I think a couple of the comments, on an issue that will be apparent to readers, are getting very close to the bone. :shutup:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3057-wednesday-whinge-new-show-in-town-upstages-boring-bernborough-club
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: koolcat on 2014-Apr-03, 12:08 PM
I wrote to the Premier on my disbelief that the Govt is wasting 60mil on a scheme that has been tried and failed in a better racing area of Toowoomba than Gympie is and suggested he is getting badly advised by whoever came up the the shonky idea....No guts no glory...Qld racing has never been spoken in as bad a light as it has for the last year by real racing people who would know.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: arthur on 2014-Apr-03, 01:28 PM
Congratulations KC

 Expect to get a letter back, supposedly from the premier, but in fact written by a spin doctor from QR telling you what a good job QR is doing . .

A non-reply reply . .

If it is as I expect, you might consider posting it here to emphasize the futility of writing to politicians

They do however react to published letters written to the press . . as you probably well know having worked in the political arena
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: koolcat on 2014-Apr-03, 03:18 PM
Arthur....I've written to the Premier twice and twice he has written back even though it took three months last time I expect him to do the right thing and reply again this time something other members of his party fail to do frequently...but I'm persistant and don't give in easy something I learnt working with politicians...I always have an opinion I'm not too scared to declare especially to politicians.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: arthur on 2014-Apr-03, 05:23 PM

 I've no doubt you will receive a reply (non-reply) with the premiers signature on the bottom; but seriously doubt that he will know anything about it 




I shall watch with interest . . but won't hold my breath  :beer:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Apr-09, 08:01 PM
Apologies for being late posting the link to this weeks edition of the WW. :beer:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3063-wednesday-whinge-remembering-when-larry-pratt-deputised-for-kevin-perkins
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Apr-16, 06:13 PM
Not a lot going on this week.....some speculation on the Tatts deal possibly the most interesting. :sleep:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3068-wednesday-whinge-does-toowoomba-deserve-a-stand-alone-saturday
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Apr-23, 06:43 AM
Some of the anonymous correspondents who no doubt fancy themselves as witty and insightful have a tendency to use some very disrespectful and personally insulting comments ............ bet they wouldn't like it if they were to be targeted in the same manner . :o

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3072-wednesday-whinge-groundhog-day-for-yesterday-s-man-of-racing-media
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-May-21, 08:20 AM
No surprise that the WW this week focuses on the turmoil in RQ with two of the main players resigning.....a third party explanation of sorts opines as why Barry Taylor pulled the pin but nothing yet from Barry who according to another story in the CM today refused to close his credit betting account with one of the shortlisted corporates which the CM revealed came from probity adviser DLA Piper. :whistle:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3090-wednesday-whinge-slap-in-face-for-independents-on-rq-board
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-May-28, 07:53 AM
Quite some heat and steam coming off certain of the contributors to this weeks edition of the Wednesday Whinge......leading the charge is a complaint about the RQ policy of stipulating minimum acceptors for a race to hold up...any less than 7 and the race will be abandoned ...seems a sensible proposition to me.
 
RQ chairman Kevin Dixon under fire again rumours that he offered to resign but was told by Tim the treasurer to hang in there and fix the mess or they...the rest of the RQ management team.....will all be sacked. :shutup:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3094-wednesday-whinge-preparing-for-tab-pot-of-gold-rq-to-run-less-races
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-May-28, 09:05 AM
Porkster my gripe is with the probity advice received, not RQ.  Of course, we can only rely on the snippets that have dribbled into the press, so who knows if there is more to it.  From what I can discern, RQ has asked the Dept of Racing to advise on integrity issues the RQ Directors need to be cogniscant of when meeting to make decisions on a Request for Offer, specifically the new Wagering Agreement.  That is fine and the right way to go.

The problem I have is that they received crap advice.  The advisor clearly has no idea about how gaming works.  No RQ Director would receive benefits above the ordinary client (e.g. free bets, weekly gimmics), and each can collect wins or lose bets like anyone else can.  Every transaction is auditable and subject to State / Federal laws.  Maybe the "advisor" thought RQ got the Saturday race results on the Friday before and the Directors were making a fortune out of it  ;) . 

I suspect the advice was delivered from a public servant who does not bet or go to the races, and can't understand the difference between a shareholder (who can benefit from a decision) and a client (who cannot).

Of course, having asked the question, RQ was stuck with said advice and had to deal with it.  They all closed their betting accounts, which was probably easier than taking a second opinion.  And frankly, that achieved nothing going forward and cleansed nothing looking back, since I presume the cancellations occurred mid stream in the Offer process.  It is just a nonsense.  And typical of how dumb a Government Department can be (trust me, I spent a career in one).

BTW Arsie, having read today's LGHR edition, I reckon it is about as poor as it gets.  Complaints are pretty thin on fact and full of unsubstantiated tripe  :yes: .  Most public material was revealed in this Forum earlier in the week.  Are they reading us here???  :whistle:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Stan Still on 2014-May-28, 09:12 AM
So what sort of time scale did Nicholls give Dixon to fix the mess. At least the Treasurer admits the Queensland racing industry is in a mess. The LNP will be in a bigger mess after the next election. Once again the racing industry has been left to it's own devices, we thought Bentley was bad, he was, we had hoped Dixon would be better not worse. Poor old Ned Williams he must be turning over in his grave. While Ned and the crew did play favourites with a few of the chosen ones, racing under the old QTC regime, as much as I hate to say it, performed like Bernborough compared to the motely lot we've had under Bogan Bob and the farcial combo of the two Dicks. Speaking of whom, its now only 3 days for the Dickson guarantee that work on the Cronulla Park greyhound complex. He did make a promise to all and sundry at the 2014 Greyhound of the Year awards night work would start in May. Another case of Dickson opening his mouth to change his feet.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Antitab# on 2014-May-28, 09:23 AM
Porkster my gripe is with the probity advice received, not RQ.  Of course, we can only rely on the snippets that have dribbled into the press, so who knows if there is more to it.  From what I can discern, RQ has asked the Dept of Racing to advise on integrity issues the RQ Directors need to be cogniscant of when meeting to make decisions on a Request for Offer, specifically the new Wagering Agreement.  That is fine and the right way to go.

The problem I have is that they received crap advice.  The advisor clearly has no idea about how gaming works.  No RQ Director would receive benefits above the ordinary client (e.g. free bets, weekly gimmics), and each can collect wins or lose bets like anyone else can.  Every transaction is auditable and subject to State / Federal laws.  Maybe the "advisor" thought RQ got the Saturday race results on the Friday before and the Directors were making a fortune out of it  ;) . 

I suspect the advice was delivered from a public servant who does not bet or go to the races, and can't understand the difference between a shareholder (who can benefit from a decision) and a client (who cannot).

Of course, having asked the question, RQ was stuck with said advice and had to deal with it.  They all closed their betting accounts, which was probably easier than taking a second opinion.  And frankly, that achieved nothing going forward and cleansed nothing looking back, since I presume the cancellations occurred mid stream in the Offer process.  It is just a nonsense.  And typical of how dumb a Government Department can be (trust me, I spent a career in one).

BTW Arsie, having read today's LGHR edition, I reckon it is about as poor as it gets.  Complaints are pretty thin on fact and full of unsubstantiated tripe  :yes: .  Most public material was revealed in this Forum earlier in the week.  Are they reading us here???  :whistle:

You are wrong.

A punter who has 100K credit limit with a corporate receives a whole lot more in gifts, free bets, discounts  on monies owed etc than an average punter. Exponentially more than what the NSW Premier lost his job for.

If that person was also a board member of a racing body.  It could easily be construed as incentives and create a conflict of interest. There may not be anything nefarious happening but how do you differentiate between a bribe and a present to a valued client.

The probity decision makes complete sense.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-May-28, 09:48 AM
So Antitab, how did you get $100K in your account to know about such matters.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Antitab# on 2014-May-28, 09:58 AM
I dont, but I have never been very open on this forum  that I work for a corporate.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-May-28, 10:39 AM
So Kevin Dixon was hired by Labor to oversee the merger of QTC and BTC, eh?

Now there will not be a bigger joke told anywhere, today. 

Even justjoking would have trouble matching that one.    :lol:

We just make things up to suit our agenda.   Hopeless.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-May-28, 10:57 AM
I dont, but I have never been very open on this forum  that I work for a corporate.

Point taken.  But where is the connection to corruption?  Inducements are a legal and normal way of business to maintain a client.  Where is the direct benefit to the client of a company participating in the current Offer.  How does the RQ Director get to benefit if he has an account with one of the suppliers?
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Antitab# on 2014-May-28, 11:06 AM
There is no connection to corruption. Nothing to do with any board members but I have seen clients being given six figure discounts to settle an account. It not a stretch to suggest that could be construed as a bribe if such terms were offered to somebody in a position to make a decision that would benefit a company.

Better for RQ to take any such problems away and not allow decision makers to  be put in that position.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-May-28, 12:16 PM
So that's why I was told to resign from a Tender panel when I refused to give the bank back the toaster they gave me for opening an account.

Rubbish.  If the public service applied that logic (and this tender is being run under public service rules...RQ can only recommend their decision to the Minister) they would never manage to assemble a review panel for anything.  I repeat, there is a huge integrity difference between being a shareholder and a client.  In the Health Dept, a Tender panel (e.g. for a fleet of MRI devices at $6M a pop, or a PET Scanner at $20M) will inevitably consist of specialist Radiologists and Oncologists who currently are current clients of Siemens, GE, Toshiba, Phillips etc.  If a company intends to offer some inducement to a decision maker it would not occur through an auditable account.  The way it gets done (at least in Joh's day, and according to ICAC in 2014) is via a brown paper bag delivered via a third party to a corrupt individual, and no account involved.   

The holding of an account is an irrelevance from any integrity or legal point of view.  No one gets put in any questionable position just for being a client.  Reasonable suspicion must arise from other behaviours.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jun-04, 07:49 AM
First up today a querist wants to know what happened with the court case ....Tatts group and RQ.......$100K  in the pot .....still no result?

One wants the guvment to sell Deagon

And TTC in the news hiring staff...amazing that Toowoomba needs so many when it used to manage with a lot less.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3096-wednesday-whinge-what-happened-to-the-court-battle-between-rq-tatts

And a final tribute to former plunge jockey Kevin Mitchell who passed away aged 84. :rip:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jun-11, 08:02 AM
The whingers are out in force today......understandable concern about the state of race tracks requiring renovation and/or replacement.....strong criticism of the Two Dickos ....that's building up steam ......maybe both should go........Campbell can do it......the Commission of Inquiry recommendation for an independent chairman of RQ would fix one of them and the other guy has to be short odds to go in any reshuffle......but star status to Logan CC spokesperson Russell Lutton for his responses to local residents against the Cronulla Park project. :beer:

 http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3100-wednesday-whinge-is-rq-taking-problem-with-tracks-seriously-enough
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Jun-11, 12:20 PM
This rush to denigrate the Racing Minister just because he has demonstrated a limited understanding of Racing is remarkable.  Surely the clamour would be justified when he stops handing out funding in hatfulls.  I wonder just how bright these LGHR mob are, and what short memories they seem to have.

Strewth don't people understand how government works?  Ministers interests and professional backgrounds rarely match their portfolios.  And they don't need to.  These folk are politicians, not experts.  Look at some others....

Anna Bligh had a BA, a student activist, a left wing union hack and public servant.  She was a Premier.  Went allright, just her socialist left bent finally saw her undone.
Lawrence Springborg is a hick farmer.  He is Health Minister.  HEALTH MINISTER!!!!!!!!!!
Andrew Fraser graduated in Law and Commerce and had not a single fibre of interest in Racing.  He even hated going to the races.  He was a Racing Minister.  Did nothing except to empower Bob.
Tracy Davis finished high school at Pine Rivers.  Never went to uni.  Ran a small business.  She is now Communities, Disabilities and Child Safety Minister....a real tough portfolio and she is excelling.
John-Paul Langbroek is a dentist.  He is Education Minister. Smart enough to pull it off too.
Tim Nicholls is a Grammar School boy with a sandstone uni Law degree.  In the US they would call him Ivy League.  He is a LNP factional baron, besties with the Premier and is State Treasurer.....he decides everything.  He likes racing and going to the races.  You don't have to like him....he's a politician, for gawd sake.  Just be glad he is onside.

Steve Dickson is a career politician and small business owner.  I doubt if any of his detractors, especially Mr Linguard, would succeed in either field as long as Steve has.

I say again, start throwing rocks when he stops doling out money.

And don't believe everything you read on LGHR.  They have to throw rocks to stay in business.  That is their business. Cool.


 
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jun-18, 08:23 AM
There is some discussion about the infrastructure payments being made by RQ amid claims of not getting answers from RQ .......as RQ is subject to Right to Information law you would think their  employees would respond to stakeholders questions in a timely manner....RTI is a cumbersome process with timelines attached and a simple explanation over the telephone is a much better and less costly way to deal with inquiries. :o

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3103-wednesday-whinge-new-acceptance-rules-for-country-racing-just-plain-dumb

Whilst everyone is entitled to an opinion I think the comment  from some anonymous tosser in Toowoomba about Norm Torpey is well astray ...Norm is an honest and decent guy and this is borne out by John Lingard's comments on the story. :beer:

Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Jun-18, 05:39 PM
Not entirely correct Porkster.  There are two scribes that assist.  One is a dissatisfied TTC ginger group member who is seriously yesterday's person, and the other main contributor was a fan of the old Deagon mafia.  Between the three of them they write most of the material.  It is a shame they can't get the facts right though.  Gee it must hurt to be on the outer though.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Jun-19, 01:23 PM
Bloody stupid/incompetent of RQL to give Friday's meeting last week to BRC - why not Ipswich?

Maybe because there was an Ipswich Cup meeting next day?
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jun-25, 06:40 AM
Another diverse range of contributions in this edition of the unmissable Wednesday Whinge even the detractors might/should find something of interest . :beer:

Some revelations about Nathan Exelby's views on social media exposed .......not the done thing IMO although divulging what one may consider a private conversation is a risk when communicating on a public forum. :shutup:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3106-wednesday-whinge-nathan-s-harness-hot-line-spin-doctor-bags-the-red-hots
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Jun-25, 10:27 AM
I find LGHR's subliminal antagonism toward Mr Excelby quite remarkable and infers a conspiracy element.   That is a load of  :crap:   At least Nathan goes to the races and knows about the industry.  The blogsters rely on feeds from whingers and rockthrowers.  You get a very narrow view of the world when all you are fed is mostly unfounded and inaccurate observations of the aggrieved.  That is dysfunctional behaviour.

For some reasons these blogsites like LGHR and dork up the road at JR consider themselves legitimate media outlets.  They are not.  They serve no professional Code of Conduct, have no formal editorial mentorship / control over content (which is fundamentally  :crap:) , and are answerable to no one but themselves.  Now this form of blogsite is fine in the internet age, but media outlets they are not.  They exist to make money for the owners.   The money comes from advertising or product sales.   They would not survive without being sensationalists.  They would never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Lets blog on folks by all means, but pleeeeeease don't call them media outlets, and always remember their function and purpose.  Mr Linguard is honest when he says he does not care about being left out of the media group for the wagering agreement release.  He doesn't care.  His needs are already met...he had made it sensational for his own purposes on the website.  That's all he wants.  God forbid if LGHR was recognised as media.  He would go broke.   
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jun-25, 06:22 PM
Has Dicko really kicked a goal with the methane gas deposit at Cronulla Park or is it just a fairy story......and this is the first he knew about it. :rolleyes:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jul-02, 06:20 PM
Nothing but negative reaction to the new deal apart from Brett who thinks the Minister should be applauded .....Brett might be the lone voice on that score ..a couple of others think the Hon Dicko should carry out his pledge to resign if he didn't negotiate a deal that would put Qld a furlong in front...and as predicted by my good self LGHR has come up with an expert analysis of the deal and given it         :thumbsd:      the thumbs down ...but thumbs up  :thumbsup: for doing so.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3108-wednesday-whinge-rq-is-still-a-furlong-behind-despite-the-minister-s-promise

Also worth a read is another Max Presnell story a copy of the PUP for turf united party . :beer: Giddyup  :thumbsup:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/racing-revolution-vote-1-for-turf-united-party-and-give-punters-a-voice-in-parliament-20140626-zsma1.html
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Jul-09, 08:40 AM
Forumites should note the Letter from Floyd King today in the Wed Whinge.  I am pretty sure that one was Ascot's work after he read my stuff in here (sorry Arsie).   :whistle:

And I note Peter Cameron has written a nice submission as Brett Wintec on himself.  Good work Pete.  :embarrassed:

Albert Williams has moved from Redcliffe to Brisbane and must have done a writing skills course, because this weeks revelations are award winning.  Impressive stuff Albert, but where did the real Albert go?  :clap2:

Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Stan Still on 2014-Jul-09, 08:50 AM
I thought last weeks grovel to the Dixonian Institute by our esteemed race caller Chooky Fowler was deplorable. Mr Fowler and Mr Dixon are about the only 2 people on the planet who think Qld racing got the better deal from Tatts. Or perhaps a few other scribes who owe their livelihood to Dixon and co. Last week's Fowler droppings was bad enough but this week's load of crap is even worse. How dare he think that Minister Dicksons assumption that Queensland racing is a furlong behind but soon will be lengths ahead of NSW and Victoria is unreachable. Chookey this week said "These two states lead the way in racing and most other things for that matter. It's Australia's "big end of town" and to try and match them is foolhardy … let alone to think we can do it. Sure, we need respectable prize-money to be within their reach but the main focus is for our prize-money to be "sustainable" to meet the needs of all concerned."............ Seems Mr Dickson's prediction about the streets ahead plan is now out the gate according to Mr Fowler all we now need is to be sustainable. Tell that to Len Treloar and all the other trainers either cutting staff or reducing horse numbers because of the dire straits Queensland racing is in. And thanks to Mr Dixon it's going to be like this for the next 30 years.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jul-09, 09:04 AM
Lots of critical comments from concerned stakeholders or those pretending to be on the New Deal with Tatts and quotes from the Hon Dicko how marvellous the result is......and tensions aplenty aimed at the thought of the Trots getting more than their fair share once the allocations are decided .....it's regrettable that industry participants continue to fight amongst themselves like school kids and those describing the trots as the red hots ought to eliminate their bile with a good dose of epsom salts or try a saline drench if there's some around. >:(

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3110-wednesday-whinge-keep-them-in-the-dark-and-feed-them-bullshot-policy-continues

One contribution in particular as pointed out by resident newshound Norton closely resembles the argument he hisself proposed although in fairness it wasn't Ascot who went first but his twin.Giddyup :beer:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Jul-09, 10:48 AM
Ya gotta be desperate to call on Cameron's inane rants as validation of your own deluded vision of the racing world.

Strange that no one in the industry knows Arthur Williams.  Seems to be across all subjects, though.    :lol:

Wonder how much longer they'll use the Len Treloar decision to throw rocks at the current State admin??    One doesn't have to be Einstein to deduce why Len has left Caloundra.

Anyone notice the divided QTIS 2YO Maiden (2 x 12) at EF this arve?  Nope.  Or the 9 races - when that superstar Bob gave the industry 7 races???  Nope.  That wouldn't fit the "bag-at-any-cost" algorithm.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jul-09, 06:39 PM
Poleline Pete is hardly of independent thought when it comes to Qld racing although the report he relied on  is from an independent reputable source......the negotiators did get dudded IMO when the agreement they reached does not include any return from fixed odds online betting yet the corporates are taxed on this. :o
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jul-16, 08:54 AM
Lot of criticsm of the New Deal again .......and other issues including one that only insiders would recognise about Bullion traders.....On RQ and Tatts one writer compares Tatts disclosure to the ASX which they are obliged to do ....with the lack of disclosure by RQ as to how this "windfall" will be distributed....patience old son....we'll all find out in due course.......and the dogs are beefing up their advocacy for more kibble in the kennels.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3114-wednesday-whinge-why-not-ask-the-cleaning-lady-to-endorse-new-tab-deal
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Jul-23, 08:52 AM
Letsgoracing website (officially renamed that by Tim Mulherrin at Estimates......if it is in Hansard, it must be true) retains it's old brand name still today.  We eagerly await the correction by next week.

This week we get some deeper insight into just who those "industry insiders" really are......hope someone can get ASIO to track em down eh.  I want to know how you qualify to hold such a revered title.  Just peruse this list from today and let me know if anyone has heard of them..........

Brett W of Brisbane
Tracey H of the Gold Coast
Darren C of Deagon (his contribution got a bit of a bagging, so he mustn't be a real insider)
Albert W of Brisbane  :whistle:
John G of North Qld
Jim B of the Darling Downs
M Weston of Chevron Island (what tha, a surname!!!!)
Peter James of North Qld (that's obviously fake because everyone in NQ has a name ending in O or I)

Other highlights today a
Our silly mate from JR website gets a gong and is self rated as being good at the game as Letsgoracing.  That is a real worry.  For both, I think.
Daniel Meers is RIP'd.  Gone to Canberra.  Personally, I reckon they deserve him down there.  He learned his craft from Peter Cameron.   :embarrassed:


Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jul-23, 09:01 AM
Second again Newshound Norton gets up earlier than moi.......but here's the full story not just Norton's index.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3116-wednesday-whinge-estimates-explanation-highlights-bad-tab-deal


Norton's mate Alby's contribution seemed a bit odd....something missing maybe......wonder if he dozed off without finishing it.  :lol:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Stan Still on 2014-Jul-23, 09:09 AM
Interesting choice of words this week from the chook plucker in the horseracingonly column. His weekly droppings include a term "racing's drama queens", Mmmm not the words I would have used, can I see a connection between a kettle and something black. Anyway he's not content with tipping slow horses but now predicting election results. And his bombshell that questions asked at the millisecond estimates hearing did not faze his idol Mr Dickson, the foot in mouth king, is no surprise. While the Dixieland band is in power, hopefully for not much longer,  And given the grovel that pops out each and every week adoring little king kev, the chook man will always have a job, drama queens jokes aside.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jul-23, 09:25 AM
Interesting choice of words this week from the chook plucker in the horseracingonly column. His weekly droppings include a term "racing's drama queens", Mmmm not the words I would have used, can I see a connection between a kettle and something black. Anyway he's not content with tipping slow horses but now predicting election results. And his bombshell that questions asked at the millisecond estimates hearing did not faze his idol Mr Dickson, the foot in mouth king, is no surprise. While the Dixieland band is in power, hopefully for not much longer,  And given the grovel that pops out each and every week adoring little king kev, the chook man will always have a job, drama queens jokes aside.

The "chook plucker" referred to above is Dashing Dave Fowler sometimes referred to as "Chook"

I remember another "Chook" ...no relation as far as I know....the guy in Muriels Wedding who had it off with his newly wed's bridesmaid. :o.......enough trivia here's what Chook had to say in his blog. Giddyup  :lol:



MY CALL - MY CALL - EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT THE SNIPERS ARE FAST RUNNING OUT OF AMMUNITION

By David Fowler | Tuesday, July 22, 2014

David Fowler is the principal thoroughbred caller for Radio TAB. David, who is a keen form student and punter, has enjoyed a lifetime involvement in the racing media. His personal blog, ‘My Call’, appears exclusively on HRO.

Racing’s drama queens were in full flight after the weekend.

The Stafford by-election result had breathed new life into the LNP detractors hoping for the turnaround of all turnarounds in next year’s state election.

Yes, there will be a correction of sorts with the numbers but, no, Labor will not be residing in the halls of power sometime soon.

And that’s bad news for the critics of RQ chairman Kevin Dixon and Racing Minister Steve Dickson who could find fault with Santa Claus given a chance.

It wasn’t a good week for the “RDQ’s” after they ruefully watched Tim Mulherin and Alex Douglas barely lay a glove on Dickson at Thursday’s Estimate Hearings.

It’s fascinating to watch how the bitterness and frustration levels rise when good news is delivered and there is more ahead.

And all the available evidence suggest they are fast running out of ammo.


Dave's delusional if he thinks The Hon Dicko came out unscathed.....he was as weak as water...even Alex Douglass did him over.


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Post by: monologue on 2014-Jul-23, 09:54 AM
Really what else could he be expected to say.

Whether he believes in what he says and writes is another thing.
Every faction has a mouthpiece and chook just happens to be the one given the task of relaying the positive vibes.
He's just taking over the narrative roll of BS.

Enjoy the rivalry between the writers and bloggers and take it for what it is.  Political pandering.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Jul-23, 04:27 PM
Gee whizz, some people in here are hard markers.  We have just come off a decade of poor governance and some rotten decisions under regimes stretching from Gibbs to Mulherin, and suddenly Steve Dickson is the Devil incarnate. 

Listen, the bloke is a politician and like any of them can say silly things, but, gimmie a break, we finally get a Minister who likes his Racing portfolio, asks his minions to focus on making racing stronger, better, sustainable and has delivered some outcomes we were all asking for (refurbs at Royal Bundall, getting rid of Cushion track racing, finally fixing up Eagle Farm to mention just three, and lots more in the pipeline).   So some people get rubbed the wrong way by the Seagull.......we know he chews heads off kittens and he failed hugging at kindy.....but so what.  Things are better than they were.

Some people would boo Santa.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Jul-30, 08:33 AM
I can report a few new names to the list of racing's "insiders"...those nominated by Tim Mulherin in the Qld Parliament as folk as knowledgeable in the affairs of racing as those presently in command at Deagon.  Has anyone seriously heard of these people?

Max Jackson of Brisbane
Max thinks our lovable and cuddlesome Darren Condon is a bit of a $@^&head with his comparisons of population and economies Qld v NSW.  He also thinks RQ should have steamrolled Tatts over the $130M so disputed at the White Commission.  Gee Max, if only the Supreme Court had the benefit of your wisdom we would have saved both sides a couple of mill in lawyers.  Max sounds like the type who thinks buying funeral insurance is a winner too.  :no:

Charlie J of Townsville
Charlie sounds like he is a journo or blogger in the LGHR camp.  emthdown  He don't like the rival website HorseRacingOnly where real "insiders" write about the game.    emthup  They even have real names LOL.  Sadly he admires Peter Cameron's view of the world of racing.  You know, life's a  :crap: and then ya die.  Of course, Charlie's cred goes out the window with this remark
at the Estimates Hearings, the Government saw fit to reduce question time to two per cent of what it was when Labor was in power. So that just about torpedoes the claim that ‘barely a glove’ was laid on the Racing Minister.
If Charlie had bothered to check his stopwatch he would have observed that Racing Estimates in 2013 lasted 30 minutes.  Yup, 30 minutes.  In 2014 it ran for 3 times that.  I will say that louder so Charlie can hear it in Townsville.  RACING ESTIMATES RAN 3 TIMES LONGER IN 2014 CHARLIE. Don't believe everything you read on the web.

Albert W of Brisbane is back.  Onya Al.
Albert is a fan of Alan Jones, the shock jock.   :/ Obviously an avid Forumite here by the look of it.  Suggest clean up ya act son and stick to facts.

Alby K of Ipswich
Wow that's TWO Berts in one session of LGHR.  C'mon John, think boy.  Alby is this weeks anti Frappellist and all round Toowoomba nark.

Percy J of Melbourne.
Oh come on JL.  Percy!!!!!!!  No mother has named their kid Percival since before the War....and I mean the Boer War.

There is an ex Racing Enthusiast of Toowoomba
He is quoting Vadim.  Gulp.  Ya got a fan club mate.  :clap2:


Good for a giggle are LGHR and JR .  Just don't take them too seriously folks or you could think things are crook.  Real crook.  Awefully crook.  It's horrible innit. 






 
 

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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Jul-30, 09:11 AM
SOH is a wonderful asset Norton I did enjoy your commentary although I don't expect those to whom it was directed would feel the same way.   :lol:  

However you could have waited until I posted the link to this weeks issue which would have given interested parties the opportunity to see what was said. Giddyup. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3118-wednesday-whinge-another-dumb-statement-from-the-rq-heavies
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Post by: vadim on 2014-Jul-30, 10:32 AM
If Charlie had bothered to check his stopwatch he would have observed that Racing Estimates in 2013 lasted 30 minutes.  Yup, 30 minutes.  In 2014 it ran for 3 times that.  I will say that louder so Charlie can hear it in Townsville.  RACING ESTIMATES RAN 3 TIMES LONGER IN 2014 CHARLIE. Don't believe everything you read on the web.

Norton - the estimates hearing ran for 90 mins i.e. you are correct. However, the Racing Industry only received a max. of 40 mins. I don't need to say it louder for you as you will understand that is not 3 times     :lol:   
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Jul-30, 03:36 PM
If Charlie had bothered to check his stopwatch he would have observed that Racing Estimates in 2013 lasted 30 minutes.  Yup, 30 minutes.  In 2014 it ran for 3 times that.  I will say that louder so Charlie can hear it in Townsville.  RACING ESTIMATES RAN 3 TIMES LONGER IN 2014 CHARLIE. Don't believe everything you read on the web.

Norton - the estimates hearing ran for 90 mins i.e. you are correct. However, the Racing Industry only received a max. of 40 mins. I don't need to say it louder for you as you will understand that is not 3 times      :lol:    

It must be the KIWI gene.  I will type this slowly.

The way Estimates works is the Minister's portfolio gets scrutinised for a session.  In 2013 the Minister for Caravan Parks,  Sports and Racing copped 55 minutes, of which they sequestered the Racing component into the first 20 minutes after Curtis Pitt used up precious time on a non racing matter.   Thus Racing got about 15 minutes of scrutiny.

In 2014 they didn't bother to sequester any segment so it was up to the Committee to have a free go at topic, any topic.  The time was pushed out to 1hr 30 min.   So the available time for Racing was 90 minutes......if those asking the questions chose to follow that line.  They didn't. Ya can't blame the Minister if the questions didn't come.  It was up to Douglas,  Mulherin and his two other ALP associates to use the time they had.   As it turned out (taking out the Parks and Sports questions) Racing got about 45 minutes of airing in 2014.

Aussie math says that is x3. 
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Post by: vadim on 2014-Jul-30, 04:36 PM
  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Jul-30, 10:02 PM
Norton, there are still people laughing uncontrollably at your post from this morning.

 :clap2:

And lots feeling sorry for poor old Charlie J of Townsville - they know who he really is -  who took the cane to David Fowler for his bad tips.  Obviously Charlie missed SOLEBID land a few others last week.  Plus, he's missed a few this arve at the Farm.

Bet he doesn't write in with a follow-up next week.

What a sad, sorry site it is.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Jul-31, 09:05 AM
That "ex Racing enthusiast" of Toowoomba was caught out making some cynical remarks about a Toowoomba Turf Club employee, presumably concerned about nepotism, or perhaps our "enthusiast" simply doesn't like the person.

That's a pretty low act IMHO, and consistent with the narkism that contaminates the LGHR site.

Hope the said enthusiast is not a member of the Owners Association, or other racing groups where nepotism is tolerated without any problem.  Next thing LGHR will be complaining about two Bush's being US Presidents, or two Clintons, or multiple Murdochs and Packers in business.  Or too many Newmans in Australian politics.

Silly website.  Just plain silly.   
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Post by: monologue on 2014-Jul-31, 11:09 AM
It's called Jobs for the boys...or is it girls  ;)
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Jul-31, 11:22 AM
And?
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: monologue on 2014-Jul-31, 11:34 AM
And?

Keeping it in the family !
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Jul-31, 02:22 PM
If the person has the experience and qualification, does the job as per the role description and succeeds in delivering the outcomes required, then does it matter if the person is a relative or Santa or Joe Blow? 
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Post by: monologue on 2014-Jul-31, 02:33 PM
If the person has the experience and qualification, does the job as per the role description and succeeds in delivering the outcomes required, then does it matter if the person is a relative or Santa or Joe Blow?  

To you and me probably not but to many yes as  it could be seen as a conflict of interest.
I'm sure the saying of "its not what you know but who you know" rings loud and clear in many industries.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-01, 12:04 PM
To you and me probably not but to many yes as  it could be seen as a conflict of interest.
I'm sure the saying of "its not what you know but who you know" rings loud and clear in many industries.

Well, it has been a part of humanity since the dark ages when the blacksmith might have taken on a son or nephew as an apprentice and avoided advertising the position in the village chronicle, and Robin Hood taught Maid Marion some bowcraft.  Sons and daughters follow parents into businesses everywhere.  The Popes institutionalised the practice in the middle ages.  If the Pope did it, who's to argue?.  Well, as long as it wasn't the Borgias, they were a bit off  :/ .

I see only two risks that need to be resolved before Nepotism becomes a "dirty" word.
a) is the appointment unfair to others?
b) can the appointee do the job?

Until those facts are revealed, there is no case to answer. 
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Post by: fours on 2014-Aug-01, 12:36 PM
Hmmmm,

Lets see now... Onetel

Even better Warwicke Fairfax

Fours
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Aug-06, 07:07 AM
A double whammy today...got up early.....no sign of Norton ......beat him to the punch for the first time...and no Wednesday Whinge up yet :o

Missed out on the CM being delivered too...in the days when the local newsagent did the delivery if he missed you out all you had to do was ring him up and he would make a special trip and deliver your paper...not anymore now the corporate geniuses running the show didn't allow for the occasional mishap like missing out ...still I've let them know and will probably get a credit for the day.....pity no hard copy which we like to have unless I make a special trip to the shop and pay for one that I've already paid for. >:(

WW just arrived. :thumbsup: Giddyup.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3120-wednesday-whinge-greyhound-industry-treated-better-by-bentley-board
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-06, 09:15 AM
Arsenal, the trick with the Courier Mail is to subscribe to the on line edition and use the "digital / print version".  This way you read exactly what gets tossed in the yard on your pooter screen.  You can even turn the pages with ya fingers if you have a touchscreen.  It arrives just after midnight (if ya can't sleep) AND its cheaper than the hard copy   emthup  .  The sub also gives you the Daily Tele from Sydney and the Herald Sun from Melbourne.  That's three papers for the price of one.  :clap2:

AND you still get the local Star or Chronicle over the fence to read Obi's column and that's also enough paper to line the rubbish bin with once a week.  Mine smells like a rose each week (after the collection, that is). 

So no sympathy here mate for missing out on today's Courier.   God helps those that help themselves ya know.

Now re the LGHR, I note some marginal improvement with the names this week.  Disappointing in some ways because it is the anniversary of the start of WW1, and it would have been nice to see some letters from our centenarian insiders to keep with the theme.

Here are some of the best this week:

1. A high profile dishlicker grinch
This fella advises  ‘I have to say firstly that I am a third generation greyhound owner and breeder and a current licensee so under no circumstances use my name. That is like the perp in an Agatha Christie who stands behind the lace window curtain with the sun behind him and with his shoes poking out at the bottom.  Yooo hoooo, we can seeee you!!!  :biggrin:     Really JL, why not just put up a photo. 

Actually, he makes a few good points about the lack of sponsors for the dogs, but is that not just a reflection on the degree of public interest in the sport itself?  I don't know a single person in my social or family circle who would go to a greyhound race meeting, or pay serious attention to it in a gambling venue.  Do you?  Maybe that's why sponsors, apart from industry suppliers, are hard to find.

2 Brett W from Queensland
Exposes the sham that is QTIS.  Oooh, will have to come up to speed on that one. At the moment I can't agree or disagree on that...I always buy my horses from Victoria because of their VOBIS program.

3 Jim B
Is upset the Breeders got first crack at the spoils from the new Tatts agreement, and has a conspiracy theory that the Breeders are like children of Satan.   :/  Actually I will give Jim point for that.  They sure are a funny bunch of people.  I mean watching horses fornicate all the time can't be good for the soul can it.  Reminds me of that movie with Nic and Tom wearing those masks.   :stop:

4 Paul T
wonders where the Sustainability Review Report from 2012.  Well, I havn't got it either.  Anyone bother to scour the documents from the White Commission?  Might be in there Paul.

5 Albert W........wouldn't be Wednesday without Bert would it.
This week Bert is obviously angling for a free sub to Phillip Purser's Fictional times. Bert even calls Phillip a "racing journalist".    :lol:     Just hope he doesn't score a freebie to the Saturday Morning Mail.  That would be a fricking disaster Bertie boy.    :tears:  Phillip is turning into his own worst nightmare....a long term loser, at least in the tipping sector.   :embarrassed: 

That'l do for today.  The rest was simply the usual :crap:
   
 

   

2.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Aug-06, 07:13 PM
I did enjoy your light hearted humour Norton on the correspondents to the WW ...it is good entertainment reading a skilled dissection of  opinions that you don't share .....FYI I am already a gold plated subscriber to the CM and have  access to the digital edition which costs $36pm..... but I like the feel of the real paper and the ink which stains my fingers and getting out in the cold morning light when the stars are still in the sky to pick up the plastic wrapped daily news lovingly put together by a band of scribblers working to deadlines....and the Southern Star is our local rag but no Obi innit.....Giddyup. :beer:
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Post by: monologue on 2014-Aug-06, 07:42 PM
Must admit I like the  paper copy myself.

By the way Norton did the Ekka lift out guide that was part of the hard copy today arrive with the online version?
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-06, 10:35 PM
Must admit I like the  paper copy myself.

By the way Norton did the Ekka lift out guide that was part of the hard copy today arrive with the online version?
Yes.  Now I just have to cart my pooter around the EKKA with me. 
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-06, 10:40 PM
I did enjoy your light hearted humour Norton on the correspondents to the WW ...it is good entertainment reading a skilled dissection of  opinions that you don't share .....FYI I am already a gold plated subscriber to the CM and have  access to the digital edition which costs $36pm..... but I like the feel of the real paper and the ink which stains my fingers and getting out in the cold morning light when the stars are still in the sky to pick up the plastic wrapped daily news lovingly put together by a band of scribblers working to deadlines....and the Southern Star is our local rag but no Obi innit.....Giddyup. :beer:
Sounds like someone needs to be properly digitised and let go.  Then again you may be one of those types that keep the Glad Wrap for reuse in the kitchen.  I know a few people who do.
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Post by: monologue on 2014-Aug-07, 08:44 AM
Yes.  Now I just have to cart my pooter around the EKKA with me. 


Arh good. Don't forget to print out the discount vouchers.

I see there's a new show bag from the LNP.
Full of discontent, broken promises, highest unemployment rate in 10 years,secret deals and brown paper bags and pork ribs   :lol:

Don't you love the Ekka.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Aug-13, 08:29 AM
Fairly light on aggrieved contributors today .......public holiday in the big smoke. :whistle:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3122-wednesday-whinge-sydney-saturday-racing-a-no-go-zone-for-punters
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-13, 04:47 PM
That's because all the regulars like Percy, Bert, Clarence and Fauntelroy have been rested.   Today is trade's day Larry, Mark, Barry and Brad.  Hardly insiders.  Probably just cousins.
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Post by: monologue on 2014-Aug-13, 05:02 PM
Guess which letter was written by a forum member? ( not me) :whistle:

Had a quick read through the letters this morning and one has a very similar writing style to one of our own forum members.  :chin:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-13, 05:28 PM
OMG.  Is one of our very own bi  :o  ?  Well at least they publish here first.   :clap2:
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Post by: monologue on 2014-Aug-13, 06:54 PM
OMG.  Is one of our very own bi  :o  ?  Well at least they publish here first.   :clap2:



Is that the same as using two nics?
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-13, 07:27 PM
Who said the limit was 2?   :whistle:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Aug-19, 11:26 AM
With the release of what appears to be good news for the Qld racing industry I can't wait to read the spin in tomorrow's offering.

I expect Albert, and Walter, and Billy, and Andrew, and Henry - all industry insiders who can't possibly risk publication of their names (Deagon is strong on persecution, you know) - will have retreated to their castles for a while.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-19, 04:34 PM
Somehow I wonder if the Marburg Harness has been the big loser in all this, being non SKY, non TAB, non picnic, non anything really.  Especially as Toowoomba gallops and that demonic Frappell fella has benefited.  Like DD our Bob races a lot of his horses up there, and will obviously pocket a fortune in increased prizemoney.  Expect a Toowoomba nark to expose the rort we all suspect.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-20, 08:31 AM
Strewth, there is a PhD begging for anyone seeking to dissect today's WW offering.  This will take days.  I suggest we rename Wednesday Whinge to Weird and Wonderful.  That way we keep the acronym WW  :love: .

Had to be amused though at one theme that comes across in the weird and wonderful material.  Seems someone wants to compare pies (no, not the meat ones, the prizemoney breakup type), despite Mr Dixon's declaration that the RQ pie is stone cold and we have moved on.  The problem for the rockthrowers is that since RQ is now out of the pie making business, the critics have nothing to compare.  They want a special batch made for 2014 (last year) and 2015 (this year) seasons, but don't know how to bake them themselves  :lol:  .

Boys, it's simple.  All you have to is trawl through every race run across three codes in the 2013/ 2014 year.  Those data will be on the net.  Somewhere.  Add em up (don't miss any) and there ya go.  One pie done and in the fridge.  Won't take long (not) ... get Phillip onto it.  He is real good with facts and figures.

Next ya gotta dig out results for the 2014 / 2015 year so far, then do a forward projection for race programs to 30 Sept using existing purses, then do similar afterwards using the new prizemoney allocations (be careful to separate the SKY1 from the SKY2 proposals).  Easy peasy.  Now ya got two cold pies in the Kelvinator to compare.  Makes one wonder why you would bother though....it won't change a thing will it? 

For those who don't yet realise that pies are out and accounting is in, here is what Mr Dixon said the other day.  Read it and weep if you must:

We know, now, that the percentage breakup doesn't represent anything. When you look at the codes in terms of their various sizes, you look at the amount of revenue they generate, you look at the turnover....all those measures no longer apply.  We knew straight away that was wrong and we had to do something different. Percentages are gone.  And the reason for that is that just like 15 years ago when they came up with that, it doesn't represent anything.  Whatever we could come up with now, today, next week or next year, they would be wrong too.  You have to be far more sensible about the way you have an expectation of the role of each code in the overall pie.

The alternative we have come up with is (based on) common business principles, and it is not rocket science.  We will calculate for each code individually the amount of revenue that they earn.  Understand that revenue is not turnover.  With turnover you can simply add races just to increase turnover even though they may not be profitably run.  So revenue is the actual revenue you earn as a code, and that means every dollar that is wagered on that code, anywhere in the world, that we get a "clip" from, that "clip" goes to the top line of that code.  In addition, each code has revenue they generate themselves e.g acceptance and nom fees, license fees and so on.  Revenue is only the start point.

The second issue is expenditure.  You take away any direct expenses that each code incurs, and we allocate to each code some other expenses.  For example, in thoroughbreds one of the largest expenses at Deagon is the Apprentice School, and then there is the GAP program which goes to the greyhound code, and so on.  After that there are minor amounts that RQ incurs, and these are spread across the codes, based on their relative revenue.  Each code pays for itself for stewarding, training, processes, publications etc.

You then end up with a number that is available for prizemoney, and you allocate that.  In a perfect world you would hope each code to produce a modest (annual) surplus to put away for a "rainy day".   But the world isn't perfect though, and from time to time, just like any business, some sectors will be at their height  and some will be suffering from challenges.  So what we have to do is after working out the affordability of prizemoney is for each code, we need to determine any areas that we need to invest ...either for the goodness of the industry or for growth we think is available if we were to make investment.   


So for the rockthrowers who have not yet come to terms with the new world where racing is run as a business, either enjoy the cold pies.  :sad: or get on board and run as one :) .
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Aug-20, 09:14 AM
Another day another dollar........some discontent over the variations in prizemoney allocations from the country clubs who haven't benefitted to the same extent as Brisbane, Caloundra and Toowoomba......but the contribution from Brett about the dangerous 1000m start at Doomben is worthy of attention from those whose responsibility it is in such matters Brett gets the Gold Medal today. :no1:

At the other end of the scale I would give Percy S a raspberry for his contribution on Kevin Dixon sitting on the ARB board. :thumbsd:

How long is it since anyone knows someone still alive named Percy....the last Percy I knew was Percy Golder who ran an SP joint in West End when I was in short pants that's 70 years ago.  :lol:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3126-wednesday-whinge-political-protest-in-north-over-new-tab-deal
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-20, 09:33 AM
Arsenal, the turn out of the back straight at Doomben, onto the airport side begins at the 800M point.  That's a 200M run.  Further the 1000M course is rarely used as far as I can recall, with most short sprints there being 1100M, enabling a 300M straight run from the barriers.

The problem occurs when the rail is out and the 200M bit shortens.  Without researching it, I expect they would reduce field sizes to a safe size (whatever that might be).  My feeble memory tells me that falls on that part of the racetrack are very uncommon. 

Is it "dangerous"?  Well the track has been in use since the 1930's and no one has said so until now.  I thought it was up to the jockeys to steer a safe course, and if that means staying 3 or 4 deep into the turn, so be it.  There is no rule that says a jockey must find the rail if the steed hasn't got the speed to do so safely. 

Bit of a usual LGHR beat up IMHO.  Just as dangerous being on the paint with a few ahead of you and no place to get out.  The rule is the jockey must not be a party to causing interference to other runners, irrespective of course terrain.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Aug-20, 09:39 AM
Norton you can argue the toss with Brett.....have your say next week in the WW responding to his post reproduced below for your convenience and to ensure you don't quote him out of context as pollies claim when caught in the headlights. :thumbsup: Giddyup


DOOMBEN NEEDS TO BE RIGHT TO STEP UP TO PLATE IN ABSENCE OF EAGLE FARM


BRETT W of BRISBANE sent this email:

‘IT was with concern that I read an article in The Courier Mail on Thursday August 14 under the hand of scribe, Nathan Exelby.

The article reported on a ‘spectacular effort’ by rider Tegan Harrison to stay in the saddle after the start of a race from the 1000m at the Doomben racecourse.

My concern is not driven by Tegan Harrison’s effort to stay in the saddle, but by comments attributed to the Chief Steward later in the article.

The 1000m start is described as, ‘a bad start’ and given the context of the article it can only mean it is dangerous, or at least more dangerous than other starts.

The article then goes on to say that a submission ‘may’ be made to the Racing Queensland programmers.

A problem with Eagle Farm being out of action is also referred to in the article.

You see the real issue here is the complete breakdown of the separation of powers and a clouding of authority. If the Chief Steward and his panel are of the view that a start is unsafe, I suggest their clear responsibility is to report that to the appropriate Board and not have a chat with programmers about it.

The integrity function and the responsibilities in respect to safety that sit squarely within that function should not be blurred and influenced by imperatives of a commercial nature.

Simply because a start was deemed safe many years ago does not mean that today, with the heightened safety standards employed by the industry, the same start is considered safe by current standards.

If the view is that a start is unsafe, then make the call as you see it to the appropriate Board. Do not leave it until it is too late.

A Chief Steward and his panel have considerable responsibilities and one of those is to report on matters as they see them.

Unfortunately, in the absence of the appropriate Board dealing with this issue of safety, the Government will have to step in and fix it.

When the Government is sorting this one out for Racing Queensland it might also take the time to have a look at other areas that are being compromised – that is if it has any interest and the ability to do so.’

EDITOR’S NOTE: YOU make some valid points Brett but the likelihood of Wade Birch rocking the boat with those who appointed him Chief of Everything Integrity is a million to one. The safety issue is indeed even more concerning when you consider the amount of racing that Doomben is set to endure during Eagle Farm’s redevelopment.

 
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Aug-20, 11:48 AM
I just skimmed though, but is there NOTHING from Albert Williams????  Surely he's got an opinion on the new prizemoney distribution scheme???

I note a lengthy diatribe on Brisbane handicapping, in particularly the way handy steed HARADA BAY was treated in last week's abandoned Open handicap.

Why doesn't the author do some research and get an understanding of what it's all about.

The facts are simple:

1.  Handicappers give a horse a rating based on its current form.  That rating will change as form goes up or down.  HB won a city race and its rating went up by 4pts - or 2kgs - to 87.  That's about standard practice.

2.  HB is entered for an Open Handicap.  Now, no matter how good or bad the horses are the MINIMUM topweight MUST BE 59kg at declarations of weights.

3.  The highest-rated horse entered was ROTHERA - whose rating is/was 93.  So, regardless of anyone's opinion, he must get 59kg and HB must get 3kg less (6 rating points = 3kg).

4.  Brisbane Open Handicaps are assessed by the handicappers as being 98 rating events - in other words, if a 98 rater is entered, he'll get 59kg.  If a 102 rater was entered, he'll get 59+2 = 61kg.

5.  Therefore, when the handicapper issued weights for last week's race, he informed the world that the race was SCALED UP 2.5kg - this is done to inform people of the "class" of the race.  The 2.5kg covers the 5pt difference in the topweight of this race (93) and the expected topweight (98) = 5 x 0.5 = 2.5kg.

6.  Had a horse like BELLTONE been entered, HB would have received the minumum of 54kg - and I assume there would not have been a murmur.

So that's what it's all about.  :bulb:

Our good mate Obie continues to bleat about such things, and says "the rating scheme has been a failure", etc - when it hasn't.  Actually, it's been one of the good things that's happened to racing in decades.  Owners know their horse's rating, and can place it where they wish - and know the handicap it will receive.


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Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-20, 10:57 PM
Arsie, there are so many holes in our friend Brett's submission I reckon only LGHR's true believers would not see them, ergo no need to write a rebuff for the WW.  Fools are best left in their paradise...it would be cruel to dispel it. 

For the record, the Stewards Report makes no mention of the start being bad, let alone dangerous.  It simply records what happened

Jockey Damian Browne was found guilty of careless riding in that he permitted his mount to shift in approaching the first turn, resulting in FLINDERS SEA, LUCKY BLACK and FEW ARE CHOSEN, which were racing to the inside, being badly crowded for room, with FEW ARE CHOSEN striking the heels of CELESTIAL DRAGON, almost dislodging its rider. D. Browne was suspended from riding in races for a period covered by 8 meetings, to commence at midnight, 17 August and to expire at midnight, 31 August.

If a particular jockey has remarked to a journalist  about the start being "bad" I suppose said jockey is simply expressing an opinion.  So what.  If another jockey draws the one gate on a speedster who can jump cleanly from the gate, I suggest it might be considered a "good" start.   

Nah, just more LGHR hogwash.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Aug-22, 01:40 PM
Gee, he seems to have some twisted idea that those who run racing take notice of the rants on the site.

I think he's been reading too much of just joking rubbish.  :yes:

And what about those "industry insiders" who contact him to promote their gripes.   :lol:

Why would they not merely email Deagon?  :shrug:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-27, 08:18 AM
Hey, we got noticed   :lol:  . Told ya they read everything we say.  The info they have on this little fella is wide of the mark though.

I think we are simply a bit smarter and we research the facts before we put foot in mouth  :no1: .  And we don't try to sell anything, so we don't need the attention they need by throwing rocks.

Onya John and Phillip  :clap2: .  At least I know what it is like to tell the truth.   :bleh:  Also helps if you actually like the racing industry  :love: and even go to the races.

Now after breakfast, I will digest the allegations.  The piece written about Norton could not be further from the truth  :nowink: .  For the record, it is incorrect and unfair.  Then, I wonder if I should bother with any response or just turn the screws on theese blogsite fraudsters tighter.  :whistle: 



 

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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Aug-27, 08:46 AM
Crikey ! Nortons been outed....... :o


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3128-wednesday-whinge-cuddled-clubs-a-furlong-ahead-of-their-colleagues-in-the-north

It appears there has been allegations of misinformation being peddled by those running the show in relation to funding allocations whether this is fact or fiction I'm unable to say ...one side says this the other something different...if true however this is a serious allegation and needs to be disposed of one way or another .....the Integrity Commissioner should have a close look at it and publicise his findings. Giddyup. :thumbsup:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Aug-27, 09:45 AM
Heavens, Norton.

You've FINALLY made it!!!

Not bad for the product of a working-class family from the inner-northern suburbs.

 :thumbsup:  :no1:  :clap2:   :king:
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Post by: monologue on 2014-Aug-27, 10:20 AM
Are you sure this wasn't sent in by Ascot trying to unseat Norton?

Not hard to work out who would have penned the initial letter for want of a better term. :baby:

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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Aug-27, 10:27 AM
Whomever it is, they should get some facts right.

Don't ya love it when the narks go out of their way to tip the bucket on someone or something, but fail to get the basic facts right.

Once a fool, always a fool.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-27, 10:45 AM
The bit that really hurts is this line from LGHR...

My friend advises me that this former BRC director skites about spending time with his head in the trough at BRC and Gold Coast race days, which leads to concerns that he doesn’t dip into his own pocket to support the industry very much.

My trough snorting days are way past me and have been so since I had diabetes diagnosed in 2004 and triple coronary artery bypass grafts in 2012 (should have been quad, but the trunk off the left anterior descending was so far gone they would not attempt it).  My detractors must not have a very good grounding in medicine if they think I am a financial liability to the hospitality budgets of race clubs.  I can't trough snort.  I am incapable of it.  And the clubs don't condone it for fear I might drop dead at the track.  Silly accusation, just plain silly.   

I can't help it if they like to talk to me.  My tips are well sought after.  And talk is cheap innit?

Oh how dumb and misinformed these rockthrowers really are.  They can't even tell the difference between Norton and his good mate Ascot.  Oh well, such is life.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Aug-27, 03:30 PM
Now, I had a late brunch and kept it down, so lets move on.  Today's Wierd and Wonderful (WW) is sure at the top of what can be achieved.  

Only one Boer War veteran named Percy in sight today.  Percy seems to like Jeff Kennett.  Hmmmm, not so sure about Jeff.  He has a bit of form.  I have always been wary of him since he and Andrew Peacock slagged poor Johnny (Lazarus) Howard when he was down on his luck.  Then he upset a lot of people at the AFL.  Havn't Hawthorn gone on to great things since Jeff left.  :clap2:

There is quite a batch of anti Deagon narks today, John G of NQ is noted asa regular contributor!!!!!!  I stand to be corrected, but how many posts has he offered in the last 12 months?????  Anyway, I always believe what  I read on LGHR  :whistle: . Jim K of Toowoomba is another Deagon nark and Jim tells us heaps about some breeding do at Gympie and who can come and how missed out.  Have no idea what that is about.

There are a couple of the usual Toowoomba narks this wek, but under new names.  The Boer War veterans seem to have departed to the balltfield in the sky so we have Max M of Townsville, a noted Buttster fan, and "One High Profile Official" (sounds impressive) is blustering both anti Deagon and anti Toowoomba.

But my favourite today was "Concerned Racing Participant in Brisbane"  :love: , who has a "friend" who certainly does not sound like any I share  :mad: .  Poor ole Norton gets accused of everything he never does or did.  Please be assured if you have read it, and please do at http://letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3128-wednesday-whinge-cuddled-clubs-a-furlong-ahead-of-their-colleagues-in-the-north  it is very flattering, albeit totally false and anonymous via a second party who saw me doing naughty things (must have legs eh with that set of credentials  :baby: ).  What a fop of an attempt to shut a LGHR critic up  :embarrassed:  .

Now my phone line to Deagon seems to have been cut since this truthful expose on Norton this am ( I mean the Deagon Bait Shop over the road in Broad St, not the one on the training complex).  Actually I thought all those calls were telemarketers and I used to hang up on them.  Maybe I should have paid more attention.  And the only leaks I see these days are the ones from the Snugglers when I change a nappy when I do a spot of babysitting.  Gee I wish people would get their facts right when Norton Narking  :rolleyes:  
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Sep-03, 08:54 AM
Question marks about Doomben being able to stand up to weekly racing whilst HQ is out for rejuvenation but the TATTs deal is done and dusted it seems.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3130-wednesday-whinge-just-another-reason-not-to-like-robbie-waterhouse


STORIES THAT YOU MAY HAVE MISSED IN THE MAINSTREAM RACING MEDIA

RANDWICK MEMORIAL TO FALLEN JOCKEYS TO BE UNVEILED THIS SATURDAY

JOCKEY MEMORIAL AT CAULFIELD



THE Australian Jockeys’ Association will be unveiling a memorial at Randwick Racecourse this Saturday to commemorate those jockeys who have died as a result of riding accidents.

The monument consists of a bronze figure of a jockey standing 1.8 metres with a base of 1.2 metres, with 10 pedestals in bluestone arranged in a semi-circle containing the names of 870 jockeys.

The jockey, in a sense anonymous, is based on famed rider Hughie Cairns who was killed in a hurdle race at Moonee Valley. The stance has been copied from a mounting yard photograph taken prior to one of Cairns’ 14 feature wins on Heroic.

On a solemn note, there are five Melbourne Cup winning jockeys listed (H. Dawes, R. Reed, H. Cairns, K. Voitre and N. Sellwood) along with the fathers of John Marshall, Jimmy Johnson, Damien Oliver and Tony Vasil. Also, the brothers of Bobby Lewis, Damien Oliver, Harold Badger and Bob Cox. Billy Elliot, who had a perfect score on his seven rides on Phar Lap, is listed, along with Tommy Corrigan.

The CEO of the Australian Jockeys’ Association, Paul Innes, said the memorial is the work of Melbourne artist Jennifer Mann, and a similar memorial situated at Caulfield Racecourse, was the inspiration of the late Ned Wallish.

Innes said, “Being a jockey is a dangerous occupation and every day they take considerable risks on all sorts of tracks and in all sorts of conditions. The memorial at Randwick will be a reminder to all of us, of the risks they take. They are the courageous warriors of the turf.”

The memorial, which will be unveiled at 11am, will stand in the garden near the McGrath meeting tree and adjacent to the Theatre of the Horse."


The item about the Memorial to fallen jockeys being unveiled at Randwick on Saturday caught my eye as it mentioned 5 Melbourne Cup winning jockeys but my own great grandfather Billy English who rode Arsenal to victory in the Cup of 1886 was not listed.....he was also overlooked when the Caulfield Memorial was done but after contacting the organisation they amended the list by including him......now I have made an approach to the AJA to see if he is on the Randwick Memorial.

Billy English was only 20 when he won the Cup and unfortunately he died on 1 October 1896  as a result of a race fall leaving a wife and three young children.
His widow died a couple of years later leaving their children to be raised by their grandmother....there was no AJT to look after them then.

Looking through the list of fallen jockeys I noticed Cecil Markey's name who I went to school with was also missing so I've notified Mr Innes of his omission as well and hope to have both names included. Giddyup.

http://www.njt.org.au/the-fallen/full-list.aspx
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Sep-03, 05:33 PM
Pleasantly surprised arriving home today to find a prompt reply to my email from Tony Crisafi the National Manager of the National Jockeys Trust  that Billy English's name will be included on the Memorial as a Melbourne Cup winning jockey and that they will research the details of Cecil Markey's fall causing his death. Giddyup. :beer:
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Post by: monologue on 2014-Sep-03, 07:43 PM
Good work Arsenal.

Looking at that list really brings home the fact that being a jockey is a very dangerous occupation.
We sometimes forget the danger when giving them a serve for a bad ride.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Sep-10, 08:11 AM
A couple of new correspondents this week......not a lot to get excited about though . Giddyup.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3132-wednesday-whinge-another-boost-for-most-cuddled-club-in-the-land
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Sep-10, 08:29 AM
It's Tradie Week over at LGHR with contributions to the WW (Weird & Wonderful) column from blokes who sound suspiciously like they might be plumbers, sparkies and chippies.  Not a hint of Boer War veterans.  :tears:

Joe C of NQ is this weeks Toowoomba nark and he has managed to quote some former TTC officials who must have moved north in retirement.  The North is a popular destination for some former Darling Downs residents ya know  :whistle: .

Jim K of Brisbane must be a Tatts Club member as he bemoans the perceived threat to that club's flagship event as RQ shaves 5 meetings off the WRC. Jim applaudes the shortening of the WRC BTW.  I take issue with it though.  Why shorten the Carnival?  Why not fill the Brisbane July / August, when the sun comes out, with some top class racing.  Jim is a bit too mainstream in his thinking for my liking  :bleh: .

There is a leading industry stakeholder who obviously still has issues with the Deagon Seagull and really likes the new TRB Chair.  Betcha they play golf together  :yes: .

Kevin T (sound like a plumber) of Townsville is also a Tatts Club supporter, hates Toowoomba and anything with the word "south" in it.  Get over it Kev and stick to ya plumbers job  :p .  

Barry K of Brisbane is another Toowoomba nark and Tatts Club member.  I reckon there must be a secret society of them  :confused1: .  They probably meet weekly in the Chandelier Room over lunch.  Gee that room is noice, and the chandelier is awesome.  Once did a vertical tasting of the Grange in there.  Yummy.
(http://s23.postimg.org/49kq3235j/Chandelier_Room.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/49kq3235j/)

Max B of the Sunny Coast objects to Damien Browne getting stiffed for an RQ award.  Hmmmm, the name Max dates this bloke to be in his 50's maybe 60's and that Bxxxxx surname is a dead giveaway our Max could be a relation.

Brett W of Brisbane (sound like the sort of youngie who might drive a forklift or a ride on mower) is today's Steve Dickson nark.  Reckons Steve's days are numbered.  :unsu

Then there is Kev, Mike, Darryl and Albert who muse on matters of importance south of the Tweed.  Albert seems to get his anti Waller sentiments from that Just Racing bloke.  Hey, they couldn't be the one and the same could they?  Phillip, is that you?????   :no1:

All good, sad though that no 2014 Golden Boulder nominees have emerged today. Nothing we didn't know. Now, how many Big Brother episodes until next Wed?






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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Sep-10, 08:54 AM
Norton you are definitely good for a laugh...a most amusing review and assumptions .....as I've said before a good SOH makes up for most other deficiencies.  :lol:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Sep-10, 09:23 AM
Thanks Arsie.  I do this out of loyalty to the WW.  Did you know I have my own personal Norton nark over at LGHR?  It is why I have instigated the Golden Boulder award for the minority in the Qld Racing Industry who prefer to "run as none". 

I just hope the Norton nark wins it (or falls under it, whichever occurs first).    :biggrin:  
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Sep-11, 03:07 PM
There seems to be a disconnect between what we are told is happening in the north about politicians jumping up to lobby the Minister for Racing, and what issues are "hot" in the Parliament itself.  The house sat this week and nary a hint of racing on the radar.  Certainly nothing coming from the Government side and not even a question or remark from the Opposition or cross benches, who would normally jump at an opportunity to push an issue that might have legs.......that is if our LGHR "industry insiders" are accurate in their assessment about the heat in the matter.

Now the parliament doesn't resume for a month.   
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Sep-16, 01:07 PM
I note that the LGHR scribe Terry Butts makes an issue about jockey Shane Pawsey getting medical treatment following a fall in Cairns on the weekend.

The fact that Pawsey had to drive himself to hospital – wait four hours and then drive himself home – is as a matter of great discussion.  “I asked the ambulance driver to take me so I wouldn’t have to wait in emergency.
“My nose was bleeding profusely for which they gave me an ice pack – and my arm was almost immovable,” said Pawsey. “But the ambulance driver refused to take me, after I had showered and packed my gear”.


Impossible to know what really went on but if the report is true as written I have to vote for the health care professional's decision on that one.  The jockey obviously returned to the rooms and would have been reviewed by the racecourse medical officer on duty to assess trauma and injury and the need to seek further review in the Department of Emergency (DEM) at Cairns Base Hospital about 8KM away.  Clearly the trauma was restricted to a bleeding nose and some muscle stiffness.....hardly a medical emergency despite the shock and unsettling nature of a racefall.   That's the stuff GP's are for.  DEMs are for treating heart attack, stroke, aneurysms, acute respiratory problems, major trauma, broken bones, vehicle accident trauma, serious assault injuries etc.  

What Pawsey, Butts and LGHR fail to understand is when you arrive at a DEM in an ambulance, the first thing the medical staff do is take a "handover" from the paramedic who took you there, not the patient.  So what would have happened is that the ambulance driver would have been asked what's the history?  The driver would have replied along the lines "fell off a horse, been assessed by medical officer to have a nose injury and some soreness, and a bit of shock".  Guess what the DEM doctor would have said........"take a seat, we will get you an ice pack and a towel, a triage nurse will tell you how to manage the nose bleed, and a doctor will check you over when we can.  Could be a few hours though whilst we treat some life threatening cases in the meantime".  The place is called Emergency Medicine, not General Practice.  Ambulances, especially of the type used on a racecourse, get used for patients needing emergency care.  They are not taxis.

Plus taking the ambulance away from the racecourse for a prolonged, and unnecessary, period (8K there, admission for a blood nose, 8K back) would have disrupted the race program, SKY programs and punters, when a taxi or drive to the nearest GP or private hospital facility would have achieved the same outcome.

Maybe the Club should have arranged a taxi to get Pawsey to a doctor, but that is the only flaw I can see.  What a beat up from Butts and LGHR, but we have come to expect that.

 
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Sep-16, 04:16 PM
Absolutely factual there, Norton.   emthup

But stuff like that is of no interest to those who wanna bag everyone and everything in racing.  :nowink:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Sep-17, 09:34 AM
Only brief repetitive stuff there today.

We have a cluster of Toowoomba narks (do you have a cluster of narks or is there another word for it?) who long for the Neville Stewart brand of running a race club.    :lol:   Onya Pete and Nev.  Maintain the rage boys.

A high profiler from NQ is a Cairns  / Dixon / Condon nark. Take a number mate and get in the queue.  :bleh:

And Darryl from Townsville hated Cairns and even tosses a rock at  Bernie Cooper  :love: .  Bernie for gawd sake.  Betcha she knows a bit more about racetracks than Darryl does.  She landed hard on her bum on a few of them.  How dare he.

Albert W of Redcliffe puts the boot into the Royal Deagon showcase day.  Not surprising that given our Bert comes from the peninsula.  There is as much love between Redcliffe and Sandgate as there is between Launceston and Hobart.  Nothing of substance there  emthdown

Finally Bill K of Toowoomba writes a quasi cynical piece on the power of criticism.  Trouble is that Bill forgets that criticism, positive or negative, has to valid to have legs.  To be valid there needs to be a factual basis to the issue.  At LGHR there often is not.  The Shane Pawsey "denied an ambulance ride" rubbish from Tue is testament to that.

Gee this LGHR site has a long way to go to be relevant.   

Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Sep-17, 07:26 PM
The auditors report on Toowoomba's capacity to function effectively doesn't look too good although there's significant depreciation written off.

Maybe they'll change the auditor next AGM. Giddy Up :whistle:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3134-wednesday-whinge-report-questions-ability-of-toowoomba-to-cope-long-term
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Sep-24, 08:27 AM
A not too subtle dig at a couple of our regular contributors amongst other items of interest in this weeks edition. Giddy Up

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3136-wednesday-whinge-change-of-stable-jockey-not-answer-to-o-shea-s-woes
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Sep-24, 01:29 PM
Yes Arsie, those boys and girls (I suspect one of the girls in here feeds them a fair bit of biased misinformation though  :love: ) at Wednesday's Weird and Whacky column have finally done the right thing and acknowledged this Forum for it's honest and meaningful contributions to racing topics.  I like to see us as the soft sand one might throw on the toxic spills they sometimes make over at LGHR.......we sort of keep issues real for them, and not leave matters fanciful or just plain silly.  Ya gotta be careful though....get some of their stuff on ya and it can burn.  It is why we need to hazard suit up and use a fake name.  You never see that sort of that behaviour over at LGHR....those Boer War veterans have no fear of mustard gas whatever.  They use real names over there. :no1:
(http://s29.postimg.org/v4phhmf0z/Toxic_spills.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/v4phhmf0z/)

Now as for todays Weird and Whacky contributors........

Jeremy S is a Godolphin nark.  He can't even get that right and still calls em Darley.   :no:  However his contribution seems fairly innocuous, so I wonder why we don't get Jeremy's full name  :chin: .  Then again, that Darley fella comes from the Middle East.  LGHR probably doesn't want to raise international tensions even higher than Mr Rabbit already has.

Dudley J of Sydney is todays Oliver nark and Jeffrey Kennett fan.  Talk about hanging around with a minority group, Duds.  No wonder you don't want folks to know who you are    :lol:   Johnny Howard had good reasons to dislike our Jeff.  Even mentioned him in his book.  And Mark Latham thought Jeff was "arrogant and out of touch".  Each to their own I suppose.

Mal D of Melbourne is a Sydney racing nark.  He has worked out that the problem there is the bloody big stables.  Seems to what that sort of thing banned.  Er, how do you do that?  Still, its a good nark  :clap2:

Darryl J of the GC is today's RQ nark.  Bemoans the Colless incident (betcha Glen sure does too)  last Sat.  Blames the stewards.   Oh, and Darryl suggests they have only one Clerk of the Course operating at the Brissie races, and berates RQ and the BRC for going cheap.  Opps Darryl, I saw two for all races.  Here's proof.......gee I wish LGHR would get their facts right. 

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And so it goes on, and on, and on zzzzzzzzzzz

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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Sep-24, 07:54 PM
Heavens.    :lol:

No doubt he's being fed by the same spiteful rockthrower who feeds just joking.

Better be careful or he might get a bait.  :clap2:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Sep-25, 01:05 PM
I note that the LGHR scribe Terry Butts makes an issue about jockey Shane Pawsey getting medical treatment following a fall in Cairns on the weekend.

The fact that Pawsey had to drive himself to hospital – wait four hours and then drive himself home – is as a matter of great discussion.  “I asked the ambulance driver to take me so I wouldn’t have to wait in emergency.
“My nose was bleeding profusely for which they gave me an ice pack – and my arm was almost immovable,” said Pawsey. “But the ambulance driver refused to take me, after I had showered and packed my gear”.


Impossible to know what really went on but if the report is true as written I have to vote for the health care professional's decision on that one.  The jockey obviously returned to the rooms and would have been reviewed by the racecourse medical officer on duty to assess trauma and injury and the need to seek further review in the Department of Emergency (DEM) at Cairns Base Hospital about 8KM away.  Clearly the trauma was restricted to a bleeding nose and some muscle stiffness.....hardly a medical emergency despite the shock and unsettling nature of a racefall.   That's the stuff GP's are for.  DEMs are for treating heart attack, stroke, aneurysms, acute respiratory problems, major trauma, broken bones, vehicle accident trauma, serious assault injuries etc.  

What Pawsey, Butts and LGHR fail to understand is when you arrive at a DEM in an ambulance, the first thing the medical staff do is take a "handover" from the paramedic who took you there, not the patient.  So what would have happened is that the ambulance driver would have been asked what's the history?  The driver would have replied along the lines "fell off a horse, been assessed by medical officer to have a nose injury and some soreness, and a bit of shock".  Guess what the DEM doctor would have said........"take a seat, we will get you an ice pack and a towel, a triage nurse will tell you how to manage the nose bleed, and a doctor will check you over when we can.  Could be a few hours though whilst we treat some life threatening cases in the meantime".  The place is called Emergency Medicine, not General Practice.  Ambulances, especially of the type used on a racecourse, get used for patients needing emergency care.  They are not taxis.

Plus taking the ambulance away from the racecourse for a prolonged, and unnecessary, period (8K there, admission for a blood nose, 8K back) would have disrupted the race program, SKY programs and punters, when a taxi or drive to the nearest GP or private hospital facility would have achieved the same outcome.

Maybe the Club should have arranged a taxi to get Pawsey to a doctor, but that is the only flaw I can see.  What a beat up from Butts and LGHR, but we have come to expect that.

 

This post has drawn the ire of Terry Butts and some LGHR scribe who writes with the noble title of "Stan L of Townsville".  Stan complains on LGHR "I am a great supporter of Terry Butts and admire the stand he takes in his Silks & Saddles column on behalf of many stakeholders. This guy took him to task recently under anonymity on a website and some of his information was totally incorrect.  He claimed that a medical officer was on course at Cairns when a jockey was injured in a race during the Amateurs when in fact there was not and attacked Terry over questions he asked in his column. He should have got his facts right first instead of relying on his informants who obviously had an axe to grind with what Butts had written."

Stan and Mr Butts fails to acknowledge that I prefaced my remarks with "impossible to know what really went on".  I can accept that I have therefore misunderstood the exact circumstances when I remarked that  "The jockey obviously returned to the rooms and would have been reviewed by the racecourse medical officer on duty to assess trauma and injury".

But here is the rub that blokes like Stan L and Terry fail to understand........it matters not a zot that there was no medical officer present on course.  These days there are severe limitations on what medical treatment can be applied at first response.  In 2014 the presence of a medical officer as a "club doctor" on a racecourse is limited to a role of a paramedic.  In some places it can be impossible to engage a "club" doctor where none are available, or insurance cover is too high (claims against medical malpractice go to multimillions of dollars).  Paramedics are always the first choice in these circumstances.

In 2014, Queensland Ambulance Service officers are no longer just drivers.  They are highly trained first response paramedics.  Assessing and managing trauma is their specialty.  The "doctoring" comes once you make it to hospital or see a GP.  Paramedics stabilise and assess the patient and make a professional call as to whether transport to a DEM is necessary.  Paramedics do no more than a medical officer would do at first response, and are most likely more specialist trained and current in first aid.  It is all about insurance cover and litigation risk.  The paramedic carries insurance cover for risk at ambulatory health care.  A doctor doesn't.  Butts and co don't seem to understand these roles, and want to make a thing out of there being no "club" doctor at Cairns.  This is a non-issue.  That was the point of my post.  Butts and Stan just don't get it.

The best example of this is if a person was to collapse just outside a hospital.  Doctors would likely to be walking past and able to assist.  A passing doctor would stop and administer first aid as any paramedic would.  They would comfort the ill person and ensure they are in a safe position.  They would not attempt to treat in any role as a medical officer beyond providing basic first aid.  They must act as citizens, not doctors.  They would then get out their mobile phone and call 000 for an ambulance.  Even the staff in the DEM 50M away are not permitted to wheel down a gurney and bring the patient in.  They have no insurance cover to do that.  When the paramedic arrives, normal procedures and transport to the DEM would ensue, even if only 50M up the street, as per QAB policy and duty of care.  It is all about liability risk and insurance.  The doctor is insured to act as a doctor in their practice or in the hospital.

No, LGHR.  Wrong again.
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Post by: arthur on 2014-Sep-25, 05:15 PM
The best example of this is if a person was to collapse just outside a hospital. . . etc

If all this is true . . and I'm not doubting it . .

Hasn't society come a long way in the last 50 years  :confused1:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Sep-25, 05:53 PM
Oh its true Arthur.  They even teach it in the Medical Schools now days.  Administer first aid only as a citizen would.  Insurance cover starts at the DEM door.  That's why they make patients sign forms at admission.   If you fall over in the betting ring at the races, they call the ambo first. 

The cynics made fun of it recently at Doomben when the ambulance broke down and could not follow the field.  So the ambo and his kit went around in the stewards car.  That was sufficient for the immediate need.  The kit they carry these days is better than anything a doctor would carry.  Pity the LGHR mob don't get it.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Sep-26, 11:47 AM
Suggest get over it PG.  No one else is bothered.  John is a good bloke, and he is still out there with a job on a racecourse.  Highly thought of, actually.  :whistle:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Sep-26, 11:56 AM
The paradigm shift in the role of the ambulance man from first aid provider to paramedic had its genesis in 1990 when Kerry Packer "died" whilst playing polo at Warwick Farm.  He was dead (excuse the pun) lucky that day because by pure coincidence the closest ambulance was passing the course and was one of a handful of emergency response cars fitted with a defibrillator.  After recovering Kerry funded the NSW Ambulance Service to put cardiac kits in every ambulance.  That project gave serious legs to a national scheme that we all benefit from today.  Our ambulance folk are highly trained paramedics who can also drive a van....the last bit is very secondary.  Even in 2007 Porkster.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Sep-26, 12:05 PM
Then came the rise of legal companies specialising in litigation of medical malpractice.  All doctors now pay massive premiums to protect themselves and are very conscious of the boundary between doctor and helpful citizen with first aid skills. 

 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Oct-01, 08:27 AM
Not a lot today on local issues err topics although Toowoomba is in again and Terry Butts had a problem with RISA which was eventually sorted out.

Norton will have his work cut out providing a parody on the above.....pity I enjoy his spin SOH. :thumbsup:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3128-wednesday-whinge-cuddled-clubs-a-furlong-ahead-of-their-colleagues-in-the-north

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-01, 04:35 PM
Well the names are better this week.

Stefan Meier of Pascoe Vale South is actually real.  He barracks for the Swans and is a horse owner.  He seeks perfection in TV coverage, you know something for everyone to be happy with.  Trouble is everyone wants something different to everyone else.  Good luck with that one Stefan.  I reckon that one day the Micks and the Prods will worship the same God in the same church.  I have teams working on that and the timeline for the project extends to year 2501, comets not colliding with planet Earth notwithstanding.  :thumbsup:

Brett Wintec of Brisbane is today's QR nark.  He is not real, of course, because anyone on the planet named Brett (that's Gen x) has a Facebook page.  Anyway, Brett wants the 2015 Straddie to be run at Eagle Farm or the world will end.  He is getting worried regarding the status of the course upgrade project.  Brett mate, all ya gotta do is read my posts on the EF thread, but if you need hourly updates, give Sean a ring at the BRC.  Since Sean talks to Phillip Purser on a regular basis regarding track conditions, he will probably welcome a call from someone intelligent. (Sorry Sean).   :biggrin:  

Cyril Jones of Melbourne explains the stunning failures of Lankan Rupee around Moonee Valley.  Faie enuf.   Hold the phone.....that's three named correspondents in a row.  What tha!!!!!!  :o

Oh, it didn't last.  Today's Toowoomba missive comes from an unnamed TTC Member who is a Toowoomba nark narkist i.e. he dislikes Toowoomba narks.  Concentrate folks, this is very unusual.  Bit like the bloke who turned into a lesbian tranny so he could date girls.  :dry:  Anyway, LGHR is having none of that.. Our Toowoomba Member gets quickly slapped down for being a self destructing Frappellist.  >:(

Charlie J of Brisbane (Phillip, is that you?) wants bookies who bet EW to bet quarter odds the place.   Charlie is a bit dim, and doesn't understand that betting EW with a bookie who displays win odds  is different to betting with a corporate rep who bets to a set of win odds and a set of place odds.  Huuuuuge difference.  You are betting out of two "books" Charlie mate, not EW.  Anyway, I reckon Charlie is a bit dim or he would not be betting EW.  Never known a bookie who won't tell you EW betting is a pure cream for the bookie, not the punter.  The smart gambler bets either to win or to place, but never EW the same horse.  :yes:

And on, and on, and on and on it goes.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Oct-08, 06:21 AM
I reckon Norton can take the credit for more names being revealed a recent phenomenon ...we'll still get the occasional anonymous contributor...who wants to be invisible for fear of retribution or more likely that he/she doesn't want anyone to know that he thinks this or that in case they think him/her to be a little bit loopy...still none of us Forumites can talk ..we're all protected by our nicks. Giddy Up :beer:




http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3139-wednesday-whinge-best-wagering-clubs-deserve-the-best-race-timeslots
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-12, 09:52 AM
Well Arsie, I am not too sure if those full names are always real.  Take Bret Wintec, this weeks Wierd and Whacky RQ nark, for example.  He ain't in the White Pages, on Twitter, Linkedin or Facebook, or Google............and nobody at the races has even heard of him.  Anyway, Brett is not a member at Royal Kilcoy, that's for sure.

And some "leading trainer" in the North has some paranoia issues about RQ setting the north up to fail.  Is that you Terry?  Perhaps these folk should reread the RQ strategic plan, because that certainly isn't in it.
http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/media/58356/rq_-_strategic_plan_-_2014.pdf

That was about it for the Qld sector this week.  Running out of steam, or holding their fire?
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Oct-12, 10:06 AM
Arsenal

Your analagy is about as whacky as the nonsense on the website.

The day we start writing ourselves letters by fictional authors, then you can put us in the same ballpark.  :bulb:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-12, 10:11 AM
"analagy"  :o
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Oct-12, 10:29 AM
Yes.

Has same derivation as "anal-retentive".
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Oct-15, 07:40 AM
http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3141-wednesday-whinge-strangles-rumors-blamed-on-disgruntled-owner

Not a lot in this weeks issue IMO.....still some anonymous contributors but Brett Wintec has no fear of retribution he's out there ..like Estelle Costanza George's mother in Seinfeld ...Onya Brett. :beer:

The final words from Max


"But it wasn't all guns and roses at Caulfield. The after-races concert for racegoers was cancelled when the bandstand collapsed, but there were no problems apart from the sound system.
The artists dropped the bit and went home."

Giddy Up. :thumbsup:

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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-15, 08:11 AM
Terribly tame.  Boring even.  Doesn't even qualify as weird or whacky. 

The editor himself reveals RQ made a loss last financial year.   They overspent the budget in the knowledge the Tatts deal would refill the coffers.  I don't see the problem.  It is what companies do.  Do it two years in a row going forward and you might want to ask questions.  I wonder if the LGHR man will applaud the spend for 2014/15 fy. 

Roger G of Aspley is a Doomben on pace nark.  Had to giggle about that one.  Well rated on pacers often run home faster than backmarkers on good tracks.   Caulfield was the shocker Rog.  Jockeys out the back were on full handbrake as little as 500M out.

Brett Wintec (onya Brett) is today's Toowoomba nark (last week he was the Kilcoy nark).  Brett wants Sat metro quality at every racetrack.  He forgets the previous regime left the industry on its knees and rebuilding takes time.  At least the prizemoney is getting better eh.

Glen W of the Gold Coast is today's Courier Mail nark.  Nothing new there folks.

Sammy M of the Gold Coast is unhappy with the inconsistent Borehole.  Take a number Sam and get in the queue. 

Rest is rehash of Fairfax news already in print.  Oh well, on a dry day, anything to fill a column I suppose.

Move on, nothing to see here folks.



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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Oct-15, 08:58 PM
Yes, amazing observation from Roger G re Doomben.  I think we should be able to have re-runs on Sundays when he reckons things are so bad.

Was one intelligent item on the justjoking and LGHR are rated equivalent.

No one could argue about that.   :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Oct-17, 09:10 AM
We all read it so there must be something of value....reminds me of a line from the post of Imaufo.....from long ago....on the characteristics of persons who frequent chat rooms and forums  :thumbsup:

"One is reminded of people on rubbish heap turning over the mess with a stick hoping to find something discarded but useful".....it goes on ....
"And then there are the intelligent, the well educated, the courteous, the charming, and the lovers of horse racing who enjoy the sport and the companionship and are happy to relate and share their interest and their knowledge with wit and grace."


There's something of interest every week even if on occasions it's only after the event with Norton's light hearted commentary which I do enjoy...a good SOH is a blessing for those who have it and for those who recognise it when they see or hear it. :clap2:
ONYA Norts.

Giddy Up :beer:




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Post by: monologue on 2014-Oct-17, 09:46 AM
Spot on Arsie and unfortunately there are too many that lack that sense of humour and are too far up themselves to laugh at themselves.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-17, 09:49 AM
Anyone we know?
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Post by: monologue on 2014-Oct-17, 09:56 AM
Anyone we know?

Of course you would know who they are Norton.
It's the ones that don't find humour in your comments. :tin:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Oct-22, 06:33 AM
Crikey! ....regular correspondent Brett Wintec returns fire giving Norton a serve.......and more comment and criticism of the delay in starting the Eagle Farm reconstruction......plus some other topics of interest especially the issue of the high rates of injured female jockeys. Giddy Up  :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3143-wednesday-whinge-jockeys-association-boss-under-fire-over-stand-on-riding-issue
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-22, 08:24 AM
   :lol:    Ya know you have made it to the top when you get your own column on LGHR.    :king:  

Oh those poor, poor peasants.  Now I could be selfish and make Brett Wintec fav for the Golden Boulder Award because he has devoted a lot of time to me personally.  But no, Brett, sorry...but it was a bold effort but so full of holes in fact, truth and reality the committee would disqualify you.

But at least you have made my day.  Gee it must hurt when ya wake each morning and realise Bob is no longer at Deagon.  Ya gotta get over it.  The good guys won mate.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-22, 11:13 AM
Now time to review the Weird and Whacky report for the week.  This one is an absolute doozy.   :clap2:  I was starting to worry last week when I fell asleep, but LGHR has dug an absolute truckload of holes rimmed with fantasy.  It is like one of those days when the moon and stars align to make you wonder if you are reading LGHR or JR.  True!!!!!

1.  Harvey Johnson of Brisbane (Harvey????? Really  :/ ) is definitely pining for the return of the old regime.  He has a shot at Tim Nicholls and Steve Dickson.  Seems to make his dirge around the fact that the Qld Treasurer was talking racing matters in Parliament whilst the Racing Minister wasn't.  And to his shame, the LGHR Editor failed to point out the obvious flaw.  :embarrassed:  So poor ole Norton has to step in and help for the zillionth time.  Really fellas, be thankful I like youze.  :yes:

Ya see, the matter before the House was the Second Reading Debate on the Treasurer' Appropriation Bill #2 from the earlier Budget Session.  The progression of legislation through Parliament occurs in three stages.  A Bill is "read" for the first time.  "Reading" consists of the Clerk reading out the title of the Bill the Minister (in this case the Treasurer) and the Minister makes a brief statement to introduce the Bill's content and purpose.  For the Appropriation Bill #2 this occurred back during the Budget Session months earlier.  The is no debate on the first reading.  The Bill (unless urgent) sits on the table for consideration by MP's and relevant committees of the Parliament.  This can take weeks or even months as the Parliamentary schedule requires.

Finally the Minister, at the appropriate time, will ask the Leader of the House to place the Second Reading debate on the Notice Paper.  This particular Bill popped up last Wed.  When the Second Reading occurs, the Minister moves that the Bill be read a second time.  The Clerk again reads out the title.  Then the Minister, will speak to the Bill and make noble remarks about its extraordinary value to the good burghers of Qld and what a marvellous Government he represents for offering such goodness.  Then the debate begins.  This is what happed last Wed....

Tim Nicholls spoke and chose to include Racing issues in his speech.  He is entitled to do that as this is a money bill.  This debate has nothing to do with Steve Dickson.
Curtis Pitt (ALP Treasury spokesman) responded.

Traditionally, a Parliament will then use Second Reading debates to give backbencher MP their ten minutes of fame to speak for or against the Bill.  Ministers rarely engage in such a debate...they are not needed.  The household names that rose to speak this time were
Davies (LNP)
Douglas (Independent)
Gulley (LNP)
Cunningham (Independent)
Stewart (LNP)
Ostapovitch (LNP)
Knuth (Katter)
End of debate.  Bit sad that not a single ALP MP got involved eh. The Treasurer stays in the House with those speaking and all other MP exit for other needs.  

Then the Treasurer summarised the content of the Debate (at least as how he saw it) and moved an amendment to fit the new Tatts deal into law.  The deal had occurred AFTER the First Reading.  This is the simple reason why Tim Nicholls spoke on Racing last week and not Steve Dickson.  The Minister had to put an amendment into the relevant Bill....his Appropriation Bill.  The Minister then moved that the Bill be read a third time.  That motion was passed and the Bill passes the Parliament to go up to Fernberg Road for the Governor to sign.  All over red rover.

So Harv (and John) when you cynically write ‘IT came as no surprise that the ‘real Racing Minister’ was drumming up some business for Racing Queensland in Parliament last week. Treasurer Tim Nicholls and not his Ministerial de facto Stephen Dickson was telling us how wonderful this great TattsBet deal is" it shows you simply have not got a clue about anything.  Not a good look boys.  emthdown

And to think these fools present themselves on a tip selling blogsite and claim to represent the mainstream media and Racing Industry.  I just shakes me head (ops, that's Just Racing, sorry)

2.  Albert Williams is back in Redcliffe this week.  He is today's Eagle Farm nark. Gawd are we going to have 9 months of this???????  Who cares where the run the bloody Straddie Bert?  The priority is to fix Eagle Farm and to do it right innit?  Take a tablet mate.   :sleep:  Oh and the LGHR Editor seems upset he was not in on the press release Brad Davidson got.  Um, that's because LGHR is not mainstream media innit?  :yes:

And that was about it really.   Keep reading here boys and ya will get even more fuel for the column next week.

I now revel in the thought I am more famous now than Mr Fowler over on HorseRacingOnly  :o .  He doesn't even get a mention on LGHR this week.  How must he be feeling?  :sad: 

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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-22, 03:23 PM
These people are fools, and do nothing for the Industry except throw rocks at the expense of moving forward, AND they make their income from blogging on the game.  Pathetic really.   :yes:  They are hurting because they were content with the former regime and the current mafia won't entertain them.  The sad thing is they have no idea and grab every morsel of gossip, rumour, innuendo and turn it into uproar and fact  :rolleyes: .

I actually enjoy playing with them.   :biggrin:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-22, 08:18 PM
C'mon PG surely you can read  :crap: when you see it.  In the last 12 months their hit ratio with truth v rumour sits at about 1/10.  There are only about 5 real correspondents, all with a chip on both shoulders about TTC, QTC, RQ and the CM, and they simply mix up the fake names.  Brett Wintec would be rolling on the floor laughing to hear that PG likes em.    :lol:    :lol:    :lol:    :lol:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-23, 11:45 AM
Er, Brett Wintec and boys, the works have begun at EF today with Treasurer Tim tipping over the first divot.  In the Paddock Lawn area but it is symbolic.  After more than a decade of former regime resistance to the good ole QTC, the good guys finally get a winner.  Pity the industry had to lapse for so long eh. 

Did anyone know what a Wintec actually is?

It is a saddle.  Jockeys and riders sit their bums on em  :sick:.  Sounds right.   :lol:    :lol:    :lol:  
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Post by: monologue on 2014-Oct-23, 12:07 PM
Norton did you or dd every bury a time capsule at Eagle Farm?

Would be interesting to dig it up and have a read.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Oct-24, 01:00 PM
Yep, we did that, mono.   emthup

Nothing in it except Ascot's ashes, plus the transistor radio that he always carried around his neck.

It's buried deep, so no chance of it being unearthed.  Only he old QTC "inner circle" know the location.

I think it's due to be opened in 2113.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Oct-24, 01:05 PM
This "Norton" who keeps getting rave reviews for his broad knowledge of Queensland racing...

What website does he post on?

Surely readers are entitled to be told that????

I agree, Brett Wintec is right on the ball.   :clap2:

I think he's the guy who until a couple of years back attended all the major racedays - not the ordinary days, though. 

And I didn't know him by that name, either.

Haven't seen him since the Dixon regime swept into power.   :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Oct-29, 08:00 AM
Some comments on the underuse of the swabbing stall in Brisbane leads the site this week ....having taken the cue from Phil Purser that this is not as it ought to be ...while all winners are swabbed .......and the occasional non winner ....they aren't named ...and not swabbing horses which run below public expectations seems a legitimate criticism that the Integrity Commissioner should consider...if RQ don't beat him to the punch. :sleep:

The most thought provoking article I think is Patrick Smith's story from The Australian on the overuse of the whip. Giddy Up. :beer:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3145-wednesday-whinge-rq-swabbing-procedures-are-winning-no-friends
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-29, 08:43 AM
Geez, the Weird and Wonderful looks like a newspaper column for a change.  Pity about the content though.  The threads and contributors are so mixed this week it is hard to tell if it is John, Phillip, Bob, Pete or Paul expressing views. 

Anyway, the one that took my notice is LGHR offering a JR thought as credible.....the bit about swabbing.  To its credit LGHR is not into "long term loser" theories (yet).

Poor Phillip and John need to do yet another TAFE course.  This time on organic chemistry and perhaps a biology subject or ten.  You see, their argument that a cause for a losing performance is irrevocably found in a post race urine sample is just plain dumb.  That's simply because a urine analysis will only detect processed metabolites / waste products.  And in 2014, the smarties won't bother with "doping" that can be easily detected by modern chemistry.  You chase the emerging  stuff these days by simple surveillance / random testing, not reactionary testing because the favourite didn't win.  The test will come back negative every time.   Urine analysis remains an integrity tool for assuring the bona fides of winners and investigating ill or distressed animals, NOT form ratings failures.  Evil bookies employing shady strappers to dope favourites don't exist anymore. 

This is not 1950 when horses might have been doped with slows or hit with rough performance enhancers.  Remember that "swabbing" never detected a battery, a virus, a choke on the bridle, trained off, a sore leg or a good old drenching in those days either.  In 2014 99.9% of urine samples test negative.  That's mainly because the 2014 doper is much smarter, if they even exist that is.  That's because searching for metabolites in urine won't normally point to whatever the problem might have been, if there was one in the first place.  Just because a horse does not run up to its expected rating by some form guru who have never even seen the animal does not infer corruption has occurred.  Maybe the ratings were corrupted!!  :o

Er boys, the answer, if there was one, would lay in the pre race haematology analysis and veterinary follow up, NOT the urine sample.  DOH!!!!  :no:

So poor ole Phillip, and to its shame LGHR, are soooooooooo 1950ish in their thoughts.  I would suggest they ask for an appointment to see Wade Birch to take a Stewarding 101 lesson, but why would he bother.  After all, these blokes are just pithy blogsters and tip spruikers.  Like the rest of us, except we don't charge for tips. 


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Post by: fours on 2014-Oct-29, 09:00 AM
Norton,

These days the stewards help the trainers with their drug detection avoidance......

at least with the greyhounds....

Fours
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-29, 03:45 PM
Well thank you PG for the correction. I have always deferred to your superior knowledge of biochemistry, physiology and biology.

But for the record, quote me the last few dozen urine samples taken from a "disappointing" runner on a Saturday metropolitan course led to an inquiry with an adverse outcome?   My point is that this goose at JR believes that post race urine analysis will reveal all the reasons. 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Oct-30, 07:22 AM
Surprising  that there haven't been any TCO2 results posted on RQ website since 6th October .......while the stewards report on the day doesn't identify those swabbed apart from the winners some horses tested for elevated levels are named alongside  the TCO2 results ....on the last day's results the stewards report states 12 horses were tested but only 6 results are published......all were negative .....seeing that Cobalt has been discovered in use south of the border I'm wondering whether the Racing Science Centre tests for this .....maybe Norton has the answer to both questions. Giddy Up  :o
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Post by: ianb on 2014-Oct-30, 11:52 AM
Those criticising Phil Purser should at least realise that he is making an effort to improve what the Qld Stewards are doing.

 Anybody who looks at the TCO levels in Queensland can see that there is something wrong with what is going on in the stable of at least one quite well known trainer.

 At least 4 horses in the stable have recorded TCO readings at the very highest level over the last couple of years and still he trains on. Now for those who think maybe the horses are all close relations I can assure you they aren't. Yes and at least 3 of the horses are multiple  Metropolitan winners.

It's time the Qld Stewards started doing something different such as early morning or evening raids rather than just go with it being too hard to detect who is not being honest.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Oct-30, 12:28 PM
Possibly correct ianb.  But Phillip is such a loonie, he thinks post race urine analysis is the answer.  That is 1950's thinking when it was all we had.  How Phillip hasn't been picked up by Godolphin by now as a racing guru is beyond me.

Maybe matters will improve when the new website is on line soon  :whistle:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Oct-30, 01:23 PM
I'd be surprised if Qld stewards are not doing far more things designed to protect punters that what's given in the Stewards' Reports.

No obligation on them to disclose things in chapter and verse.

And yes, Norton - post-race urine testing as the definitive "swab" went out with community chest X-rays for TB.
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Post by: ianb on 2014-Oct-30, 03:53 PM
Well they obviously aren't doing enough other wise how does the said trainer justify to them his consistant high readings for his horses.

They must know there is no way he is not cheating with the readings they are obtaining.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Oct-30, 06:10 PM
Well there's an agreed threshhold, so until the swab exceeds that level there's nothing that can be done.

I don't get booked for travelling 99 kmh in a 100 kmh zone. 
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Post by: ianb on 2014-Oct-30, 08:21 PM
Yes there is an agreed threshhold. It is deliberately a couple of points above what most horses would legitimately record. At least 4 horses in this range from the one stable tells you that these are being given assistance.

When you are doing 99 Kilometres you are doing nothing wrong. The same cannot be said about the horses from this stable.

 Is it steroids being masked? I don't know but I do know these horses are being given something artificial to produce such high readings and whatever it is won't be legal.

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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Oct-31, 09:51 AM
Obviously the RQ stewards appear to be  doing less than their counterparts south of the border in the testing department maybe it's  financial restraints imposed by the comrades who control the purse strings ...also it appears there are less questions asked here than in Sydney and Melbourne sometimes none at all........ though the offerings by trainers and jockeys for poor performance .....should the gate keepers consider inviting them in for a chat....   acceptable precedents are on record and can be regurgitated confidently ......that they  will no doubt continue to be accepted...and everyone will be happy apart from those who think they saw or smelled something that escaped the gate keepers whose job is to ensure everything is above board . :o Giddy Up
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Nov-05, 06:46 AM
Another Wednesday and more comments and complaints.....nothing sensational though....Norton will struggle to compile his TIC critique. Giddy Up. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3148-wednesday-whinge-death-in-the-afternoon-and-the-fruitloops-start-grandstanding
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Nov-05, 08:33 AM
Went to sleep reading this weeks weird and whacky. Mainly because the topics are not quite at the pointy end of LGHR's crisis in racing hot air balloon.  But there sure are some inconsistencies emerging.  Once this little "cancer" gets a hold credibility at LGHR is totally threatened innit??  :sad:

For starters, everyone has a full name.  Well, except for this week's unnamed Toowoomba nark who missed out on the pool cleaning contract up there.  We know most are fake names, but there are no Boer War vets, or shameless "Norton" types who hide behind non de plumes.  Or racing identities who must hide in fear of retribution or evil stares from Kruel Kevin or Domineering Darren down at Deagon.  Still lets not criticize progress folks.   :clap2:

Albert Williams of Redcliffe is back.  He is a Bris racing nark and dislikes the cuddly Kelly Schweida for training inconsistent horses.  Albert is right, of course.  Just try and get a tip off him mate.  I am told that Kel is so tight all he tells the priest when he goes to confession is "Bless me Father for I have sinned, rest is confidential your worship".   :stop:

Now, stop the presses.  Brett Wintec, widely acknowledged as "a regular critic of RQ" is a 6 race card nark.  Take a number Brett and get in the queue.  But, Brett has turned into a Bentley narc to boot.  It is ALL Bob's fault.  Whattha????  Talk about conversion on the road to Damascus.  It was rumoured that our own Saddle Up Brett was actually Bob's twin and a mate of Willy / Max.  So much for family loyalty mate.   :o

Ray Atkinson is a dishlicker trainer, public health and asbestos expert and Cronulla Park nark.  Ray rails about the safety of anyplace on earth where asbestos was dumped.  Ray, its 2014.  Do a google search.  Environmental regulations exist that protect the community.  No one can get asbestosis hanging around sealed and covered dump sites unless ya start digging it up and redispersing the stuff.   But like Ebola mate,  It doesn't jump out of the ground and grab ya.  And last time I saw a patron at the dogs carrying a shovel he used it to hit a bookie not dig a hole.  And bookies don't exist at the dogs anymore, so problem solved eh.   :biggrin:

Oh, and hidden down the bottom today without fanfare or accolade  is a press release about how great the GCTC is.  But everyone knows that.    emthup  

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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Nov-07, 10:06 AM
ARB BOSS HITS BACK AT 'ANIMAL RIGHTS EXTREMISTS' LOOKING TO EXPLOIT HORSE DEATHS

ARB BOSS PETER MCGAURAN (SMH PHOTO)



AUSTRALIAN Racing Board chief executive Peter McGauran hit back at "animal rights extremists" looking to exploit the deaths of Admire Rakti and Araldo in the Melbourne Cup.

CHRIS ROOTS reports for FAIRFAX MEDIA that the facts simply do not support their campaigns.

"There are six animal rights groups, and with the exception of the RSPCA, all have adopted a position to close down racing. It is impossible to persuade them of another point of view regardless of the facts of the matter," he said.

"They are politically and ideologically opposed to racing because they believe horses should not be used for an economic benefit."

The ARB released raw figures about raceday fatalities stating that 125 horses died in races or barrier trials in the 2013-14 season in 19,511 races where there were 189,259 starters, which means the ratio of deaths to runner is 0.0066 per cent. There are 36,675 racehorses in Australia.

The Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses stated that there was one death every three days.

"Horses in the racing industry are regularly pushed beyond their physical limits with cruel devices such as the whip, as well as being raced far too young when their bodies are not yet fully developed in 2 year old racing," the group's Facebook page stated.

"If they make it out of the industry alive, they are often sent to slaughter when no longer profitable - as there is no industry retirement plan - despite the fact they churn out 15,000 horses year after year."

The RSPCA called for a full investigation into the deaths and stated it was "a stark reminder to the community of the real risks to horses associated with racing. Sadly, injury and death are the price some horses pay for our entertainment in a sport that puts intense pressure on animals to perform to the limits of their endurance."

RSPCA chief executive Heather Neil focused on the use of the whip and called for it to be abolished by 2015.

"While racegoers were enjoying the spectacle that is Cup Day, for the horses, the sound dominating the last stages of every race was not the cheering of the crowd but the persistent whack, whack, whack of whips on flesh," Neil said.

McGauran admitted the deaths had focused community attention on racing.

"It is distressing that two horses died after the Melbourne Cup for everyone involved in the industry, especially their owners, trainers, jockeys and strappers," he said.

"The level of safety and veterinary care for racehorses is of the highest standard and extremely well regulated but animal rights extremists want to use this to promote their agendas to shut down racing.

"The facts simply do not support their campaigns."

The preliminary result from Admire Rakti's autopsy was he died of heart failure as his owner Richi Kondo was still coming to terms with the loss of his horse.

"We are very proud but yet we are so very, very upset," Kondo said.

"Everyone associated cannot believe what has happened and we are genuinely thankful for the help from the Australians for all the time that we are here but also deeply thankful for the many, many hundreds of well wishes that our group has received since the tragic death of Admire Rakti.

"Admire Rakti brought great, great fame to our country by winning the Caulfield Cup, but yet we are understandably shattered by what has happened."

The full results may not be known for 10 days but Racing Victoria chief steward Terry Bailey confirmed he had ordered a raceday veterinary inspection of the Cup favourite after he was a notable betting drifter at Monday's Call Of The Card.

Admire Rakti had been a $5 favourite since his Caulfield Cup win on October 18 but $6.50 was the quote on Monday, raising concerns for Bailey, who contacted Racing Victoria head vet Brian Stewart late on Monday night.

"[It was] probably a bit of chief steward paranoia, but after the call of the card, there was a little bit of easing in the market and some good judges [were] suggesting that it couldn't win," Bailey said.

"I just felt it was our role – and duty bound – to make sure the public of Australia were protected. After all it was the favourite in the Cup, to just make doubly, triply make sure that the horse is OK."

Dr Stewart found Admire Rakti was fit and well to race in a Tuesday morning inspection.  He explained that Admire Rakti, which was eased out of the race by jockey Zac Purton, had had what amounted to a heart attack after he returned to his stall.

"The diagnosis is that the horse died of acute heart failure as a result of ventricular fibrillation probably, which is a disorganised heart rhythm," Dr Stewart said on Melbourne radio.

"[It] happens very, very rarely in human athletes and in horses and is a consequence of the athletic heart and the rapid heart rate during racing. It is very rare."

Meanwhile, Racing Victoria said on Wednesday night the way horses return to scale will be changed for the carnival's remaining group 1 races - Thursday's Oaks and the Darley Classic and Emirates Stakes on Saturday - after Araldo's death following a freak accident.

"The incident involving Araldo was a freak accident and something that we have not seen previously," the statement read.
 "However, we have taken these interim measures for the remainder of the Carnival and will discuss the long-term procedures with the VRC following its completion."

 

DEATH IN THE AFTERNOON MARS BIG DAY AND ALLOWS THE FRUIT LOOPS TO GRANDSTAND  


GRAHAM JENSEN, who was at FLEMINGTON for the CUP, was quick to pen this email to the WEDNESDAY WHINGE:

‘OUR biggest day of racing marred by two Cup fatalities in successive years and the Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses is having a field day.

Reports suggest that 30 protestors from the group took advantage of another racing tragedy and gathered around the main gate to Flemington racecourse chanting: ‘Racing kills’.

So does driving your car, eating the wrong food and working in buildings that terrorists fly planes into. Jockeys also die as a result of accidents in racing. It’s a sad fact of life.

Ward Young, speaking on behalf of the Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses said the protest group was letting racegoers know that a horse had died ‘because last year the only people who knew about Verema dying in the Melbourne Cup were the people who bet on her’.

“Racing does kill horses and we think a lot more needs to be done to make horse racing safer. These incidents are a lot more frequent than people know about,” Mr Young said.

All of a sudden this bloke is an expert on thoroughbred racing. Where was he when that fruit loop massacred those beautiful horses on the farm in South Australia? Not a whimper of course. But a big stage like Melbourne Cup day presents a perfect platform.

The same as the big jumps days – but don’t get me started on that one. Were it not for jumps racing many of the horses competing would be destined for the knackery. But Ward Young and his fruit loop protesting mates wouldn’t want to know about that.

He claimed that Admire Rakti's death was another example of horses being overworked on the racetrack. Has this bloke any idea about the training of a thoroughbred? Does he think that the Japanese team who prepared and loved this horse to death – not to mention his owner who was devastated at losing the horse – would allow anything to occur that would threaten the safety or harm their horse?

Just have a look at the photographs of how devastated the Japanese were at losing such a magnificent animal then hide your head in shame at making such a slanderous accusation, or at least apologize if you have the balls Mr Young.    

He said that in the past year about 125 horses have died during or shortly after a race. I wonder if he knows how many people have died on the roads in Australia during that time. We don’t see him out there protesting about that.

Racing Victoria’s Head of Veterinary and Equine Welfare, Dr Brian Stewart, said the circumstances surrounding the death of Admire Rakti ‘were very rare’.

 “Our sympathies are extended at this time to the owner Mr Kondo, trainer Mr Umeda and his staff who cared deeply for their horse and are naturally saddened by their tragic loss,” Dr Stewart said.

It is always sad when the screen goes up on a racetrack signaling the death or pending euthanization of a racehorse. It was worse still to see footage and photographs of crowds five deep surrounding the hosing bay holding Admire Rakti. Stewards and officials had erected a green tarpaulin over the horse’s body. It would have added to the devastation for those close to the stable.

My last word on the Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses is this: “These are the same  :censored: s that were responsible for angering the industry when they had erected an anti-racing billboard showing a dead horse on one of Melbourne’s busiest freeways.

The 22-metre board appeared in early October on CityLink near Footscray Road bearing the slogan “Is the party really worth it?”

The sign was slammed by Australian Racing Board chief executive Peter McGuaran as ‘a terrible distortion of the reality of thoroughbred racing’, and branded ‘highly inappropriate and distasteful’ by Racing Victoria. It was subsequently removed on orders of the owner of the land where the billboard appeared.’

EDITOR’S NOTE: WHAT a shame such a wonderful day was again marred by the tragic loss of a great horse. For better or worse we live in a country where freedom of speech is a privilege. The Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses are entitled to their opinion but no-one who cares about the beautiful thoroughbreds that make horse racing the wonderful sport it is would not have been saddened by the tragedy in the Cup. The autopsy that stewards have ordered will tell the story of what caused Admiral Ratki to collapse and die soon after the race. Even sadder than the CFPR jumping at an opportunity to grandstand were the thousands of drunken morons who congregate for their annual party at Flemington on the first Tuesday in November oblivious to the racing and even more oblivious to what happened to the Cup favorite. In fact many of them won’t remember much of what happened in the afternoon.

IN today's CM the Letters column includes a rant from B Allen of Warner a Brisbane suburb complaining about horse racing and drawing attention to the behaviour of some of the ferals who get legless on Cup day with other views brought about by a letter the previous day commenting on the Cup. :o
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Nov-11, 01:47 PM
So what will the WW be chasing tomorrow?  I reckon the sure things will be the Gollan scratchings, poor race fields, the AP rebuild delays....Brett and Albert will cover those for the SEQ.  Up north a Boer War veteran will whinge about Cluden upgrades, and out West some Toowoomba nark will bash Bob Frappell in the shins.

Actually, on the Toowoomba track, I was impressed at how well the track now races with the warmer weather about.  Place looks green and well covered now.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Nov-11, 04:11 PM
Haven't seen Albert Williams at the track for a long time.

Obviously still a keen observer of the local industry.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Nov-11, 04:36 PM
No DD, Albert and Brett don't go racing.  Couch potatoes that pair.  But boy are they well informed.
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Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Nov-11, 07:24 PM
Are they related to Lloyd ? He also never goes to the track these days.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Nov-12, 06:37 AM
There's something for everyone today in this weeks issue of the Wed Whine ...... the web site detractors who will no doubt be pleased young John is taking a well deserved break for 10 days so no WW for the next two weeks....Norton won't be troubled to think of uncomplimentary things to say ...although there's lots of ammunition in this current issue.    :lol:   

 http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3150-wednesday-whinge-why-is-melbourne-cup-traditionally-a-wipe-out-for-punters

One of the best contributions IMO is from Basil Nolan rejecting criticism from a Warwick horse breaker that racing accidents are caused by poorly broken in horses.

The last words from Basil "What is needed is not horse breaking accreditation, but a Horse Sense contributor who actually knows the racing industry and does not profess inaccuracies"

I think Ken Callender's comment about Terry Bailey that  Slade Power wasn't shown any favours in being last into the barrier is well astray there were only two loaded after him .....he was loaded later well out of barrier order from what I saw. :o

Cronulla Park features again as being a death trap for local residents of Logan Shire ..it's in the middle of an industrial area there's not a residence in sight hardly a threat  to local residents. :shutup:

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Stan Still on 2014-Nov-12, 08:11 AM
I am not sure that when you have homes about 180 metres from Cronulla Park that it could be called an industrial area. Nevertheless this week's dish lickers section of LGHR highlights once again the ignorance this racing minister and the Dixieland band has on its greyhound participants. Apart from the asbestos issue the fact is that Minister FNM announced to all and sundry in April that work will start on Cronulla in May. That was now 6 months ago and still nothing has happened. Nor has the Minister or Dixon or Condon ever given a real date for the start if ever. There are no plans, the industry has never been consulted on the layout of the track, Condon and co fail even to acknowledge written requests from the body which represents greyhound participants and to date there have been 7 written requests for information. Its not just good enough to treat these people like mushrooms. Turnover on greyhounds continues to rise yet this motly crew continue to ignore the industry. The so called independent greyhound board, this is a joke, just fold their arms and pretend to be ignorant, and given the board members that's not hard to do. One is marking time for a future elevated position, one is there as a job for the boys the other just happens to be in the right "family". The recent prize money boost sounds great but when you dig down this mob are slowly killing the industry by cutting back on race meetings on actual races run on non-tab feeder tracks, these tracks are the live blood on the industry, they provide an avenue for the dogs not up to city class an opportunity to extend their careers.  Its about time the Dixieland band shows a bit of guts and common manners address the Cronulla Park issue. Show the industry some plans, provide a true start date and stop telling lies and deceiving the industry.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Nov-12, 08:36 AM
  The so called independent greyhound board, this is a joke, just fold their arms and pretend to be ignorant
 Its about time the Dixieland band shows a bit of guts and common manners address the Cronulla Park issue. Show the industry some plans, provide a true start date and stop telling lies and deceiving the industry.

Stan, this extract from your post surely is an oxymoron.  The Greyhound Control Board is REAL, with love or hate the individuals on it, and it is ACTIVE and ACCESSIBLE to industry participants.  It's chair also sits on the all powerful peak body QACRIB.  Don't stand on the sidelines and whinge, ring em up and ask.

Is the real problem simply that a minority of disgruntled industry participants don't like GCB members or their decisions.  Welcome to the wonderful world of politics and power.  Sometimes ya gotta play the cards you have been dealt.  I am not sure I want the G20 in my backyard, but I have.  And the sun will come up next week.

If I was actively involved in the greyhound game as a licensee or registered owner, and I have a genuine need to know what is going on with Cronulla Park (by that I mean more than just wanting to know the latest for yarning at the bar sake) I would ring the Chair and ask him.  It isn't hard to do.  I have no doubt that eventually all will be revealed for the generally interested once they solve whatever potholes, bear traps, finance blocks (in project management speak they like to call it "slippage") are holding everything up.   
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Nov-12, 11:41 AM
Now for this week's Weird and Whacky.

Brett Wintec is back this week, astounded that he has been labelled a supporter of the previous governance of the Queensland racing industry, and espouses that his motives are pure and simple...he wants racing to be successful.  Onya Brett.  Bob and co used to aspire to the same value system.  The trouble was, and maybe still is if Brett is to be believed, how you go about successfully being successful.   Brett reckons it is time we stopped the blame game.  Onya Brett....the past is past, lets move onwards and upwards.  :clap2:  I actually doubt if anyone would dispute that.  Lets leave the past to ASCIC to resolve.   :sweat:   Is that a clock I hear ticking?

But the problem on measuring success of the current bunch of rogues and cowboys in charge at Deagon is that you have to have a start point to measure from.  If the Seagull was handed over an industry in good nic in 2012 we could justifiably argue that all they needed to do was to keep a well oiled machine ticking over with a new paint job, a quick maintenance check and Bob's your uncle (good pun eh   :lol:  ).  Why take so long to achieve so little screams Brett, who hated Bob  :mad:  emthdown  :shrug:  :guns:

See, I remember a decade ago when prizemoney was pretty fair.  When stables like Moody, Waterhouse, Hawkes, Cummings and Ryan ran second strings in Brisvegas.  They moved out en masse, a sure sign things were sick.  When jockey ranks were strong and apprentices were simply that and not the core riding resource.  I also remember a decade of poor infrastructure management, endless conflict between Controllers and stakeholders, massive project plans all of which were eventually shelved at considerable cost, massive legal expenses and other expenditures.  This era drained the industry of morale, core bases and finance and led to significant decline in both stakeholder interest and ability to prop up failure after failure.   Nero fiddled.  Rome burned.   Our racing competitors in NSW and Victoria stormed ahead and other competitors in the entertainment game moved into our space.

So putting it mildly, the start point in 2012 was pretty lame.  Bad structures, awful prizemoney, massive need for infrastructure and maintenance, declining interest to invest in Qld at many critical levels (owners, trainers, jockeys, breeders).  Whilst progress has been made, if Brett wanted everything honky dory in 31 months (starting from the lowest of low bases, with inadequate funding, inadequate revenues, fractured culture) then our Brett is a bigger dill than I thought.  It's gunna take time mate.  ITS GUNNA TAKE TIME.  And whinging about the Seagull isn't helping.  You know he is a stubborn little fella and the more people whinge the more he sticks his toes in.  Try giving him a cuddle.  It makes him squirm you know.   :biggrin:  

Now, sit back in your high chair, reflect on your glory days past and suck on ya dummy.  If ya get bored, get out the latest RQ Strategic Plan and start marking off the passes and fails.  Otherwise, ya starting to look stupid.

Albert Williams is todays Nathan Excelby nark.  Pretty poor effort Bert.  You can do better than that mate.  emthdown

Murray Dean (who tha xxx is Murray Dean?  Phillip?) is a Heathcote nark.  Tellya one thing Murray.  Group One Rob would not care a fig what you think.  He is happy to look at his car plates when he cops a spray and ask I wonder if Murray is as successful as me in racing?  :bleh:

Merv the Mad Punter reckons they hooked one at Kilcoy last Thur and the stewards missed it.  Get in the queue Merv.  Every time I back a loser I reckon they hooked it.  :tears:

Some bloke called Ray Russell (apparently real) is still going on, and on, and on about Cronulla Park.  Ray is an absolute goldmine of info about asbestos, an astute political analyst (reckons Logan will swing to the ALP next election if Cronulla Park goes ahead..mate Logan is lost with or without the dishlickers), and rumourist (a few of the dishlicker boys have gambling probs).  Maintain the rage Ray, and keep the rumours coming.  What with Phillip Purser over at Just Racing telling us of an alleged romance between two RQ staffers, and Ray giving tips on how to hide your gambling probs, we are all serving society so well with these blogs.  :clap2:   


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Post by: Stan Still on 2014-Nov-12, 05:38 PM
Norty said: If I was actively involved in the greyhound game as a licensee or registered owner, and I have a genuine need to know what is going on with Cronulla Park (by that I mean more than just wanting to know the latest for yarning at the bar sake) I would ring the Chair and ask him
Now Norty I will speak slowly so you might get it through your skull. The GBOTA is the only recognised body that represents Queensland greyhound owners, trainers and breeders. If you have an industry query or need info this is the body to approach first and it makes the representations on your behalf. This body has written from memory on 7 occasions to your pal Dixon requesting an update on the progress or lack thereof of the Cronulla Park track that Minister FNM proudly announced back in April that "work" will start in May. Until now, unless a reply was sent today, your mate Dixon hasn't even had the good manners to acknowledge a letter was received let alone give an answer. So stop your bleating, carrying on with this political speak eg "slippage" and cease defending this pack of ignorant, gutless wonders who seem to think if they dig a hole stick their head into it all will be ok and all the greyhound people will just go away.
As for your comment Is the real problem simply that a minority of disgruntled industry participants don't like GCB members or their decisions
No Norty, its not just a minority, the majority all know the past performances of one current board member and just laugh at his presence there, as for the others they accept they are there to toe the Dixon line. There were many highly successful businessmen and women and greyhound people who applied for those positions and all had no skeletons, they didn't even get a look in. Greyhound people are not a bunch of dim wits which the Dixon mob think they are, they don't ask for much just be told the truth, not led along the bridal path. If Cronulla Park is to be held over till finances or whatever are in place then just say so, don't continually treat them as a fools. If anyone was to take a straw poll at any greyhound meeting and pose the question "Do you think Cronulla Park will proceed ?" Most would just laugh.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Nov-12, 06:07 PM
Good reply Stan.  I get your point.  However I stick to my opinion.  IMHO associations such as GBOTA, QROA, QBA etc are important BUT are lobby groups representing a cause and a specific group's vested interest.  They do not by any definition represent the industry in an apolitical sense.  I agree however that if such an association writes to a code control body on a matter, they deserve an acknowledgement at the very least.  If what you say is true, then Mr Condon has been naughty.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Nov-13, 12:41 PM
Let's get down to basics the gossip a bit like Obi's template of no names no pack drill......Bob and Bart.....who else could it be? :shutup:


OLD SPARRING PARTNERS CROSS SWORDS IN MEMBERS AT FLEMINGTON ON OAKS DAY


OUR SPY at the MELBOURNE CUP CARNIVAL reports:

‘I THOUGHT you might like to know about the ‘welcome to Flemington’ that a former high profile racing writer received from a one-time controversial race club official from his home state.

The scene was the members’ area on Oaks Day. The two old sparring partners crossed paths. The one-time official, known for his long-time dislike for the former racing media colleague, reportedly picked him up by the scruff of the neck, threw him aside and uttered a few less than complimentary words.

Old hatred run deep when they come from the Sunshine State it seems. When his lady friend muttered: ‘I thought that man was going to get up and throw a punch’, her partner replied: ‘I wish the maggot had’.’

 
Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Nov-18, 10:29 AM
This is really eerie folks.  Norton is out of the country and there is no Wierd and Wonderful column on LGHR.   :o 
Is Norton really just a pixelation of Phillip, John and Terry.  Hmmmmmmm....no Norton, no LGHR.   :chin:

Anyway, since the boys are on shore leave, I can use the space myself.......
These are Norton's digs in Honkers.  Am staying with Ascot up on the zillionth floor somewhere.  I can't afford this sort of thing so it was noice of RQ to chip in a few bucks for my accomodation as a reward for services to racing.  Don't ya love a junket like the journos get when visiting exotic places.
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This is Ascot by the pool
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The shopping is pretty good.  Gee there are a lot of Chinese people in HK too.  They are everywhere.
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This is Nathan Road at some ungodly hour
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Anyway, in keeping with the LGHR theme, we are off to Disneyland today.  Might see the "Duo" out there.  and then off to Happy Valley on Wed.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Goldie Locks on 2014-Nov-18, 10:43 AM
I'm getting excited!  I can see Mrs. Norton buying my Christmas present! 
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Nov-26, 09:08 AM
Sorry folks, I have been away still in Honkers (Happy Valley, ShaTin, Macau casinos etc...you know the drill) so no Weird and Wonderful this week.  Was good to catch up with Albert and Brett and hit the Girlie Bars (sorry, no goss there, what happens in Wan Chai stays in Wan Chai).

Back on deck next week and we already have eMails from the regulars plus some new names like Wei Ping Kong, Charlie Chau, Whoppa Ho and Don Duck (pictured).  
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And a scoop that will make that protected species Nathan Excelby cringe.  There is a new face coming for RQ with the launch of the new website (they have held off the launch until I get back, thanks fellas).  In keeping with the LGHR modus operandum of slagging the Deagon boys, I have to keep up the comedy from here.  Someone has to do it eh.    Here is an exclusive peek at the new logo and uniforms for Deagon staff...
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New uniforms look cool eh.
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Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Nov-26, 09:24 AM
I did my best to try to convert the LGHR boys to come away from the Dark Side and try working with the Deragon Mafia.  We even had a session with the highly respected philosopher and columnist for the widely read HK Register, Lao-Tzu.  He is against narking because the light shines best from a torch not a rock.  The take away message was this:

"It is only when you see a mosquito landing on your testicles that you realise there is always a way to solve problems without being hurtful"  :love:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-01, 11:35 AM
Back on deck this week with Wierd and Woeful.  Just finalising the eMails now and then will put fake names to them for publication.  Topics are...

Doomben bias
Prizemoney in the north
EF upgrade too slow and where will the Straddie be run
Slag the GCTC for the Bikini racing
Ippy surface
Surely something is wrong at Toowoomba, if not we'll invent something
ASIC investigation of Bob
ITC turfing Phillip out
Continuing run of losing favs in Bris.  Funny how Hong Kong has the same problem.  Hmmmm.

I wanted to congratulate RQ for the massive fields last few weeks after that MCup week drought.  Remember the boys slagged RQ when things got a bit skinny.  And the prizemoney increases for dishlickers and gig boys.  And the tender due to be announced for Cronulla Park.  Anyway, they would have none of good news stories.  At least I tried.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-03, 07:13 AM
A big welcome back for the unmissable Wednesday Whinge having been on hols for a two weeks on well deserved break and Well done to John Lingard for showing support and solidarity for fellow racing correspondent and esteemed colleague Phil Purser and his criticism of  the Racing Media Association whose silence was deafening in ignoring this issue. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3154-wednesday-whinge-spare-us-a-murrihy-media-farewell-resembling-war-and-peace

Now I've had my say Norton will be next up ......I can hardly wait. Giddy Up.  :lol:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-03, 08:38 AM
Arsie, I gotta say I thought V1 of the new and improved LGHR was pretty ordinary.  All of my stuff got published except for the Bikini races and ASIC.  And no one bothered to admit race fields had recovered after MCup week when you could not find horses to race, which now looks like a one off.  And they reckon Albert and Brett are real LOL  Would love to sight the birth certificates for that pair  :whistle:

Had to giggle at the write up on Phillip.  LGHR (a blogsite selling tips) goes into bat for another blogsite selling tips.   What a lot of garbage.  The bloke is not a journalist by any description.  JR is a joke...proven in this Forum over and over.  And he was caught making mischief.  The simple fact is these websites need sensation / tabloid content to attract attention.  And their musings appeal only to those that are disaffected for one reason or another.  Remember the old Truth with headlines like "Catholic priest injured in Anglican church" ....and the story really was that Father Bill stubbed his toe on the baptismal font waiting for Father Jim to fetch his clubs for their weekly round of golf.  And the page 3 girl, always there for the blokes who could not afford to buy Man Magazine.  But a bold headline is valuable for selling stuff innit.

That is about their worth.  And when someone in here gives it to them, calls them no better than snake oil salesmen, we get labelled "suck ups".   Anyway its all easy fun finding the holes every week.  Long may they live.  I just don't want to be the one to tell them their net effect on the industry is zero.  Good for a laugh and little else. 
   
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: arthur on 2014-Dec-03, 09:20 AM
I just don't want to be the one to tell them their net effect on the industry is zero.  Good for a laugh and little else.

Well I hope that Phil, John, Terry, and QR, have a sneak look at each others 'copy' . .

Just as we do

And we can only hope that some of the genuine concerns . . even if written by 'ghosts' . . can be addressed

Might have to drop an email to LGHR myself if the replays of NQ races don't suddenly or miraculously appear on QR website
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-03, 09:46 AM
Well I hope that Phil, John, Terry, and QR, have a sneak look at each others 'copy' . .

Just as we do

And we can only hope that some of the genuine concerns . . even if written by 'ghosts' . . can be addressed

Might have to drop an email to LGHR myself if the replays of NQ races don't suddenly or miraculously appear on QR website

No matter who reads what Arthur, the rubbish label fits.  They can't get facts right, they don't bother to recant errors and they only want income from selling tips.  To achieve the goal you have to write rubbish, otherwise no one would bother looking.  The game is "what can they come up with next".  I enjoy it.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Dec-03, 01:58 PM
Heavens this issue is turning into something BIG.

Social media has gone into meltdown.  :sweat:

Will be the Burning Issue on Retro next episode. 

Should respected blogger/tip-seller/stopwatch-owner Phillip be allowed to enter Ipswich saddling enclosure so he can take pics selectively and bag the club?

Here we have a blogger (self-appointed journalist) who's been selling tips for a decade or more being treated with contempt.

It's a disgrace.  :rant:

Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-04, 07:25 PM
It's very disappointing that web site detractors can't/won't/don't see the value of independent web sites like LGHR which raise issues which the mainstream media avoid possibly for fear of upsetting the powers that be ......and while we don't have to agree with every issue they take up it should be acknowledged that LGHR is performing a valuable public service in giving voice to concerns from members of the racing fraternity....an opportunity worth defending. Giddy Up. :thumbsup:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-05, 09:41 AM
I have no problem with independent racing websites that present facts, all the facts, with no particular axe to grind.  We already know that JR is a plain joke, selectively presenting half facts and truths in a most unprofessional manner.  And if they get something wrong through that crazy filter, they don't retract or complete a half story.  So lets recognise that for starters and use it for funsies.  It's a blog and will never achieve respectability as a credible media outlet. 

LGHR is different.  A competent professional journalist with some credible contacts in the game and the ability to build a portal for racing stories, both good and bad.  Racing could only benefit from something like that.  Oh, if only that happened.  You see if everything there is filtered through a hostile premise that the Minister is a fool and the Deagon mafia are hopeless at their respective roles, then you simply cannot be objective........your filter defines your output.  Rock throwing is not credible journalism...and that is the shame of LGHR.  Oh what could have been.  But no, we get bias, we get lack of objectivity, and we harm the game we all want to succeed.   For two years LGHR has attacked Toowoomba, Deagon and Government.  And guess what...Toowoomba is still there.  Deagon is still open and functioning with the full support of Government.  And the Minister is doing just fine.  And now PUP has imploded, that will continue out to 2018.  So what has LGHR actually achieved that has improved racing?  Nothing.  Ironically, as well, they haven't managed to dislodge a single brick in the Control Body structure either.  It has all been interesting and entertaining, but all hot air. 

And we get  :crap: .  Brett, Albert, Wan Hung Lo etc .  All probably the same trio of predictable dissidents with an axe to grind.  Then there is the inevitable "name withheld for fear of retribution" .  What the hell is there to fear?????????  If it is worth saying, why not say it like Rob Heathcote or David Fowler do.  They are not always right, but they have no fear of being wrong.  Fowler still has his job and harness interests.  Heathcote still trains successfully without sleepness nights for voicing an opinion. 

Racing needs an independent website.  But LGHR is not it.  And that is sad.  Onya Brett, maintain the rage.  Makes my day.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-05, 12:18 PM
Everyone or those who are still capable of thinking clearly will have an axe or axes to grind every now and then and while there are two sides to every story you'll find the mainstream media will often only present the side that suits its agenda ......it's up to anyone adversely affected to ask for the right of reply...it's standard practice for an unedited right of reply to be given by JR .......you can't say the same thing about the mainstream media ....Bob was never given a fair go by the CM when subject to attack by the racing journalists and LGHR has that opportunity every week .....Viva independent media...long may it survive. Giddy Up :beer:

As for the racing minister the evidence of his capabilities is there for all to see only sycophants with ties to the LNP see any value in him ....same could be said of most of his predecessors from within and without the ALP...they've all been a lot of duds. :shutup:

The luncheon bell is ringing have to go now otherwise I'll miss out. :clap2: 
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Dec-05, 12:55 PM
Isn't it nice of them that they want their costs to be covered by punters buying losing tips.

Well they must be losers, otherwise they'd back their own tips.

Generous of them, eh?

Make the punter pay.  :rant:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-05, 01:34 PM
What's the problem with professional trainers being successful and rewarded?  If they were no good the owners would not stick with them.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-10, 06:00 AM
Very interesting and disturbing contribution leads the WW this week the frustration of an owner who stood up for his rights in an effort to overturn a perceived injustice over a swabbing incident involving his trainer......quite a lengthy piece but worth persevering with although the outcome for those involved was not what they wanted or deserved.......an unresolved issue......that's the owners position :o

John Lingard in the spirit of goodwill and fairness has offered Wade Birch right of reply.....it'll be interesting to see if he accepts....I think he should if he thinks the version needs any rebuttal.

In order to understand the issues I looked up QCAT appeal decisions involving Mr Bita it is clear that he was gone as the rules are explicit when a positive swab occurs.....even though there was no evidence he administered the substance the fact that the horse tested positive is what matters......pity it ended this way the bloke has an exemplary record is 69 years old on a pension and has now given the game away......RQ sought to obtain a costs order against him ..that was a pretty futile exercise as the QCAT judgment showed in dismissing their application. Both decisions by QCAT are hereunder. Giddy Up. :beer:


http://www.sclqld.org.au/caselaw/QCAT/2014/460

http://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment/2014/QCAT14-490.pdf




And blow me down Norton's "Mate" Brett Wintec gets another run ...and admits that's not his real name...proving Norton was half right.....and the Racing Media Association goes into bat for Brad Davidson from the GC or so we are led to believe ...apparently he is/was on the RQ non communicado list......but Darren Condon off to Honkers on hols at his own expense  hasn't seen any representations....and denies that Brad is off limits.



http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3156-wednesday-whinge-a-story-of-frustration-anager-and-perceived-injustice
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-10, 11:39 AM
OMG.  This WW needs a name change to WAW (Wierd And Wierder)  This week is a doozy.    :lol:  

A real person (whom I doubt has any background in science  :sad: ) has written a long thesis on pharmacology in the horse with a focus on testing and specifically the interpretation of Prednisone drug levels.  OMG x 2, he used the Internet to source his facts  :what: , but I doubt if he broached the NIH and Medline databases  emthdown to perform a metanalysis.  He even lucked with finding a paper from Italy that seemed to support his case, so he must be right.  He waived the usual terminology of "exogenous", preferring to coin a new word "non-endogenous" when trying to explain how Prednisone is a synthetic corticosteroid.  :embarrassed: 

And he reckons the Qld Racing Lab is not up to standard and is using tests that are 15 years old.  Strewth, I hope that doesn't come to the attention of NATA who accredit the lab to ISO 9000 level world standards.  Norton is a NATA accredited lab assessor and has approved testing in labs in Australia, Hong Kong and the US and I know these scientists are absolute scoundels.  A real secret society are test labs, they use shonky outdated methodology and the Bris lab must have hidden the test machine under the bench when the last dozen inspections occurred.  Shocking.  I will take it up with NATA immediately.  :o

Seriously though, the case presented by the aggrieved owner is full of holes but maybe RQ should give him a cuddle and explain in simple terms exactly why his trainer got done and the difference between a screening assay and a Postiive result.  Then again some people just don't want to know.  Obviously the bloke believes his trainer is innocent but he wouldn't be the first.  In cases like this, the buck stops at the top.  All care but no responsibility is not a legal defence under the rules of racing.   

I assume that in his case the screen was reactive as were repeat and confirmatory assays, resulting in a POSITIVE RESULT.  As Arsenal said, under the Rules, he was done like a dinner.  In the other cases mentioned I suspect the screen was reactive and this would trigger a notification.  In health care this is standard practice for many tests (e.g. medical imaging, STD's HIV, Hepatitis)....you tell the client the lab has found something and this will be confirmed by further testing.   

Anyway, good on the bloke for letting go, but a jurist he ain't.

Then there is Brett.   Well, well, well.  :clap2:  We sort of had you pegged mate, within a pinch or so. Too many clues.    No hard feelings  :love: . If I can't out you, can I at least put your pic up?  I have done in the past.

Albert is this week's media nark.  Mate you seem to right with it regards the rumour mill.  The coffee shop at the North Lakes Mall must be a snake pit for gossip eh. Why don't you just claim it...that Deagon mob are just plain paranoid.  Even worse then that mob that run China. Deagon really does need to come clean and recognise rockthrower blogsites for what they are.......genuine honest and valid media outlets that simply want exclusives (helps to sell the tips if you have some cred). 

I am going to contact my HK mate Alex Chow Yong-kang for some tips.  Alex has spent the last 73 days living in a tent on the Glouscester Rd in Central, hoping to bring down those tyrants in Beijing (cough!!!).  How about we get a Occupy Deagon movement going to bring these Deagon bastards to heel. 

We will be noice so we wont disrupt training, and we will only block the back door of the RQ building so the day to day industry opps are not affected.  It's a lovely sunset on the western side when we stoke up the barbie with a cool ale.  :beer: And we can have brekkie in the car park before anyone arrives in the morning.  I can bring the portaloo.  My mates over at the Deagon Bait and Tackle shop in Broard St can bring us sammies for lunch and replenish our rockpile when we need it.  How about chant slogans like "Keviie is rotten chook", and "Darren is a Dill", and "Nathan is Not Needed".  That will get them rethinking matters for sure.  That pair have skin about as thick as mosquito.   Lets do it!!!!!!!!  :bop:

And then there is Barry.  Barry is a Bart basher.  Hey, that's a great name for a horse.  Try saying that in a race call. Would torture Mr Fowler as well.

Ok lets move on.  Nothing to see here (as usual).  :bleh:

 
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: vadim on 2014-Dec-10, 06:59 PM
Well Norton I don't often get offended by your shows of academia (often humorous) but your latest edition on the rights or otherwise of an Owner to publish his position is to say the least outrageous.

For someone whom hasn't invested more than a dollar in our Industry other than the occasional one or two on the punt you take the cake.

I would imagine most Owners' that have read the LGHR site and the edition that you purport to be nonsense will be offended. We all understand you to be the most educated scientist made to man but worked his life in the Public Service not taking any risks or the like but protected by the higher Authority. Try a little of the Private Enterprise experience out there and put up like this bloke has rather than take cheap shots.

I have read his comments with interest and think that the system does leave a lot to be desired if all that has been stated is an honest interpretation of the facts. You might say it is the action of an aggrieved individual and back the governance but not all of us.

Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-10, 07:39 PM
Thanks for the post Vadim.  The problem is the bloke has based his case on a gross misunderstanding of the scientific method.  Just as my mate Ascot became an expert engineer a few years back by trawling the Internet.  I do not for one moment disrespect his grievance as he believes his trainer has not committed any offence.  But as I pointed out, the Rules are that all care and no responsibility is not a legal defence.  Eevn the appeals bosy upheld the findings that the horse produced a positive result for prednisone.

Denial of that fact carries no weight.  His defence is pathetic...be he an owner or or not.  This is the problem with the LGHR site.  Any fool can construct a case deceitfully, ignorantly or stupidly, and people will believe the accusations to be true.

Such is the nature of the Internet.  My intent is to expose rubbish when I see it.  No more, no less.   
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-11, 04:13 PM
Well Norton I don't often get offended by your shows of academia (often humorous) but your latest edition on the rights or otherwise of an Owner to publish his position is to say the least outrageous.

For someone whom hasn't invested more than a dollar in our Industry other than the occasional one or two on the punt you take the cake.

I would imagine most Owners' that have read the LGHR site and the edition that you purport to be nonsense will be offended. We all understand you to be the most educated scientist made to man but worked his life in the Public Service not taking any risks or the like but protected by the higher Authority. Try a little of the Private Enterprise experience out there and put up like this bloke has rather than take cheap shots.

I have read his comments with interest and think that the system does leave a lot to be desired if all that has been stated is an honest interpretation of the facts. You might say it is the action of an aggrieved individual and back the governance but not all of us.



Vadim’s insightful defense of an Owner's right to publish a position is duely supported,  and his most gracious personal character assassination of my good self is sufferable, but only just.  But Vadim needs to recognize that what the author of the article on LGHR has published, raising innuendo surrounding integrity of RQ officers and the justice system  does not by inference, make said owner correct or accurate in the substance of his grievance.  Perhaps  many in racing would agree there is no basis to this grievance.   And I intend to demonstrate that below. 

My personal rule with blogsites like LGHR is that if it an opinion published on the Internet the content can be legitimately challenged  with counter opinion. In this case the so called right of reply to LGHR would only validate the rubbish that can appear there, I will offer my opinion here instead. 

Earlier I may have seemed pompous to explain the basis of my knowledge on some of the subject matter so I should apologise to Vadim and admit that my career choice to work in Public Service and academia has certainly limited my intellectual capacity to know more than many in here about science and quality assurance.  Accordingly in this further analysis of the LGHR article I will limit my remarks to material sourced from my own Internet searching, i.e. I have approached this thesis below without introducing obviously valueless knowledge I might hold, and just present facts the LGHR bloke could have found. 

Dare I no longer offend others who value careers in private enterprise to be superior and more courageous in risk taking, and who might place even more scorn on those who bother to acquire knowledge or seek to be useful in a public health care sector.  Sorry about that folks.  And what Vadim says about me is true.  I never have and still can't afford to buy a racehorse  :tears: .   I will certainly go to my maker unfulfilled.  And his penis is probably bigger than mine too.  :tears:  :tears:  :tears:

But to the chase.  Here are the facts regarding the sad story of Purrfectly Fearless.   

This horse won a race at Royal Ipswich on 8 Feb 2013. 

Let me quote from the RQ Hearing which was held on 15 April 2013.......
(sic) Stewards  inquired into a report from the Queensland Government Racing Science Centre, that the presence of prednisolone and prednisone, prohibited substances under the Australian Rules of Racing, had been detected in a post-race urine sample taken from PURRFECTLYFEARLESS

Let's clear one certainty about this.  The LGHR correspondent seems to dispute what these corticosteriods are (suggest read the LGHR atricle if needed).  Let me tell you the FACTS.  It is acknowledged in equine medicine that the adrenal gland can produce some corticosteriods in the horse.  So the puzzle is how can the AR Rule be applied as "zero tolerance" if these substances can occur naturally?  The answer is simple with a bit of research.  You see the specific materials Prednisone and Prednisolone are NOT naturally produced.  An eminent microbiologist (oh dear Vadim, same profession as me!!) created these specific chemicals using bacteria in the laboratory in the 1950's.  It was Nobel Prize quality science and he revolutionised the field of medical immunology in doing so.

FACT 1:  Prednisone and Prednisolone are synthetic corticosteriods produced by pharmaceutical companies for use in mostly inflammatory disorders or as an immuno supressant.  They come in a vial.  If they are found in a horse's urine they were injected or fed to the horse.

The stewards report goes on
Mr Bita in pleading not guilty made detailed submissions in defence of the charge, particularly that he had no knowledge of how the substances prednisolone and prednisone came to be in the sample provided by PURRFECTLYFEARLESS.  Stewards, mindful of the strict liability imposed on licensed trainers under the provisions of AR178, found Mr Bita guilty of the stipulated charge.   
 
In considering penalty Stewards were mindful of Mr Bita’s longstanding in the racing industry without any previous indiscretions, his personal circumstances, relevant penalty precedents and also the deterrent nature penalties are designed to have on offenders and the industry at large.  Mr Bita was subsequently fined the sum of $3,000.


Mr Bita was not the first, nor will he be the last, trainer to declare he could not explain how the prohibited substances came to be in the horse's urine.  The stewards are bound by the Rule 178 and acted accordingly, and with some prejudice because Mr Bita's circumstances were taken into consideration in determining the penalty.  It could have been harsher.

Now let’s go to left field for a moment to define some context in this whole saga.  The Qld Govt Racing Science Centre analysed the urine and detected the prohibited drugs.  The laboratory is a high level analytical chemistry facility which operates to International Standards, specifically ISO/IEC 17025:2005.  This Standard is a variant of the stringent ISO 9000 series used in general industry and many private enterprises. Vadim would be well aware of their application in his many fields of private enterprise. 

How is the RSC lab accredited to operate at the one of the highest levels of quality (the highest in Australia is TGA used mainly by specialty labs in the good ole public sector that perform organ transplant or blood donation testing)?  Well, it is done through NATA,  which operates under the auspices of the Australian Government. 

NATA is the authority responsible for the accreditation of laboratories, inspection bodies, calibration services, producers of certified reference materials and proficiency testing scheme providers throughout Australia. It is also Australia's compliance monitoring authority for the OECD Principles of GLP.

NATA provides independent assurance of technical competence through a proven network of best practice industry experts for customers who require confidence in the delivery of their products and services. NATA formally recognises that these facilities produce reliable technical results which make the world a safer and more certain place. NATA's work increases community confidence and trust in a facility's services, mitigates risk, improves tendering success and facilitates trade.  Established in 1947, NATA is the world's first comprehensive laboratory accreditation body, and is still one of the largest.

NATA is a not-for-profit company operating as an association owned and governed by its members and representatives from industry, government and professional bodies. NATA is largely self-funded and has memoranda of understanding with the Australian Government and various state and territory governments that recognise its key role in Australia's technical infrastructure. The Australian Government uses NATA-accredited facilities wherever possible and encourages state and territory governments and other instrumentalities to do likewise.   More than 3000 facilities in Australia and around 50 other economies are NATA members.


FACT 2:  The Racing Science Centre is a world class standard laboratory whose methods are regularly audited, assessed and accredited to ISO/IEC 17025 The current accreditation is Certificate 5296 in the field of Chemistry.    No shonky tests, no poor integrity, no deceipt,  just stringent quality management principles.  The LGHR article quite wrongly impunes the performance of the laboratory (albeit in naievity).  That flaw underscores many of the ongoing points made in the LGHR article, and makes the article a tad incredulous.  Excuse me Vadim for the slip in using my superior knowledge of quality assurance principles than you might possess.  It is clear to me that your rightious "owner" is far from expert in the field he chose to research and use as tools for his grievance.  There are more clues to that fact in the separate scenario about the 4 trainers who were not charged in a separate inquiry.  More of that later. 

So we have a trainer who had copped a $3000 fine and wants to appeal.  Nothing wrong with that.  The appeal was heard in QCAT, as was a subsequent appeal.  The reason QCAT is involved is the appeal began there before the newer appeals body was established.  The findings were announced in June 2013.  It is recorded that Mr Bita intended to challenge the stewards finding that he had breached Rule 178.  However on formal commencement he announced that he accepted he was liable under the Rule despite being unable to offer an explanation on how the "agent" might have entered the horse.  At appeal he sought that the fine be waived, and he be given a reprimand.

The presiding officer considered that request but could not accede to that.  But they did take into account personal circumstances and lowered the fine to $2000.

FACT 3:  Trainer Bita appealed, but in doing so admitted his liability under Rule 178, bit at least he had the fine reduced.

All good so far.  Has anyone been denied justice?  Has RQ done anything wrong?  I don’t think so.

In the 14 month period from June 2013 to October 2014, the LGHR correspondent has obviously been very busy on the internet and knocking on RQ doors.  You can read his side of the story on the LGHR website.   I am guessing that all the to and from dialogue led to frustration between RQ and Mr Bita led to a second QCAT hearing on the matter of costs.

QCAT made a decision on costs in  October this year.  The Decision is well worth reading  http://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment/2014/QCAT14-490.pdf

There are a couple of pertinent extracts relevant to the LGHR article.  Let me quote:
"challenges (were) made to integrity of the urine sample provided and the testing procedures..... this challenge was ultimately abandoned. However, it was not abandoned until the respondent (RQ) had spent considerable time and effort in producing further evidence, other than just the certificate of analysis, to rebut the allegations made by Mr Bita."   

This next point is also critical to the outcome.  It defines what has been called zero tolerance in the LGHR article  Prednisolone and prednisone fall within the class of prohibited substances referred to in ARR 178(2) as corticosteroids. Unlike those prohibited substances referred to in ARR 178C volume of the substance is irrelevant to be in breach of ARR 178.

And then this about our LGHR correspondent.  And it has nothing to do with being a racehorse owner either.

The evidence of Mr Northfield, although voluminous and expressing all manner of opinions about drug testing, tolerances, and whether the drugs
occurred naturally, was clearly not admissible, even in QCAT where the rules of evidence do not apply. He had no obvious expertise to express his
views, he was simply a witness of fact and the facts to which he says he was a witness to were not relevant to the charge made against Mr Bita.
Although Dr Hodson is quite obviously an expert, his evidence did not carry any weight where the Rules of Racing expressly create an offence
against the rules when a prohibited substance is detected..........Mr Northfield’s evidence was largely inadmissible and Mr Hodson’s evidence was irrelevant to the charge.

Boom, boom.

And what about this bit.  RQ got a backhand for bothering to engage with the parties after the findings.  Sounds like they did more for Mr Bita and others than they needed to, and got into trouble as the interactions went from bad to worse........"I cannot see why the respondent (RQ) went to the time and effort to rebut this inadmissible evidence on liability, agreed to multiple adjournments of the hearing and now seeks to rely on it in support of its submissions on costs. It is also questionable whether any of this evidence was relevant to penalty; it certainly was not relied upon.......The respondent (RQ) cannot escape some responsibility as to how the case was run."

And finally, the harsh reality of it all. Mr Bita is impecunious. This is a factor to be taken into account under the subsection. It seems he was misguided into how his case should be conducted.  This is not a case where the interests of justice demonstrate that the discretion should be favourably exercised and so that a costs order is
made in favour of the respondent(RQ). The application is dismissed.


The long and short of all this is that prohibited synthetic drugs were found in the urine of the horse by a properly functioning laboratory, leading to a stewards hearing where the Rule 178 had to be applied.  Like it or lump it. The trainer holds the responsibility.  QCAT is clear on that.  Be it Chris Waller or Tony Bita.  How it got there we will never know.

I will address the integrity accusation side of the LGHR article in a following missive.   There are stroms about in brisvegas and I would hate to lose the PC.
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Post by: vadim on 2014-Dec-11, 07:56 PM
Obviously Norton wants a fight so let's give it to him.

I won't revert to changing the font size to emphasise the specific comment.

If as an Owner we were subject to the following (even though we have just been given all the facts as to how RQ has the best racing laboratory under the Australian Racing banner) then I believe he has every reason to feel agrieved;

RQ changed the concentration determination three times during this investigation into Purrfectlyfearless. I have affidavits stating same – each contradicting the previous – but RQ refuses to explain any of their previous contradictions or why they can change concentration readings on previously performed tests.

Surely a competent and authorised laboratory of Norton's noted standards would have a better explanation than this. Has anyone and will anyone explain that position?

After requests refusing to answer even the basic questions for fear of compromising the integrity of racing, they then admitted that RQ Laboratories had been failing in their ‘A’ sample tests against control ‘B’ samples sent interstate.

No surely not. This facility that can do no wrong admits to making a mistake.

ON December 24 2013 RQ dropped investigations against four trainers even though they returned positives. Remember this is a zero tolerance drug.

So pray tell why the dropping of charges against other trainers? This surely is incorrect and can't possibly be the case given that it is a zero tolerance regime.  Again this first class Authority has offered their advice to RQ.

On investigation I found there have been 10 trainers who returned positives to Prednisone in ‘two batches’ in the last three years in Queensland, one in NSW and none in Victoria.  

Is this telling us all that Queensland is 100% more efficient than Victoria? Now we are in fairy land.

SEVEN of these cases (70%) were dropped because of contamination or faulty testing results.

Refer above and above and above. Is everyone now getting it?

I challenge the Birch statement that in all Prednisone cases stewards have visited each trainer’s stables to see if there is a common link. They never visited Tony Bita’s stable, which was only two blocks from the Deagon bunker.

Why?

Which brings me to the point of all of this. I try to be impartial in all my thinking and often get into trouble for making claims that others won't dare for fear of offending the establishment. However, I can't understand the justice of these claims if they are all true and not embellished. I don't have enough time on my plate to search the Internet like some but am prepared to read the opinions of others and make appropriate comment if I think it justified.

We don't have to hide behind our intellectual capacities (or lack of) to make a point. The Owner in this case has a genuine cause for concern.

 
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-11, 08:12 PM
Giggle.  Gotcha
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-11, 09:09 PM
As on observer... like a spectator at a tennis match.....I think it's a toss up between Norton and Vadim who is the prosecutor/defendant....in this debate. Giddy Up
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Post by: Stan Still on 2014-Dec-12, 07:58 AM
Just to add a bit of petrol to the fire....have a chew about this little saga. A Brisbane trotting driver backed his horse to get beaten through Betfair which he managed to strangle it enough to get it out of a place  on two occasions. At its next start he and a few mates backed it to win which it did again through betfair. He was subsequently given 2 years by the trots stewards and he then appealed. The chair of the appeals a Brock Miller then quashed the penalty. Seems he considered the actions by the trainer/driver were not detrimental to the integrity of the sport. Now I know a lot of people would think this a bit odd but we are talking about the red hots and I think Miller was right. Everyone knows the red hots are red hot so in fact what this guy did was just upholding the tradition of the sport.
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Post by: Stan Still on 2014-Dec-12, 08:03 AM
Err, sorry fellas, on browsing I see this has been covered in other areas by our esteemed ites. Still I think the driver did a good job in keeping the dream alive that the red hots remain red hot.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-12, 08:10 AM
Have to correct the record Stan in the interests of fair and accurate commentary Abbott didn't drive on either occasion.....I would have to check who held the reins but  it was different drivers for the races in question.  :beer:  Giddy Up
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-12, 04:14 PM
Thanks for waiting folks.  Your interest in what's wrong on the LGHR site is important to me.  I am going to do this bit in steps to eventually arrive at the truth, so your patience might be tested.  The root of the problem with the Vadimites is that this is going to require what is called a Paradigm Shift.  A Paradigm is like a map of how YOU the person sees an obvious reality.  I stress the word reality because reality is not necessarily the truth.  When one shifts paradigms the new reality can easily makes the previous seem wrong.

Think of it this way.  You have arrived at Sydney airport and want to meet a friend at Town Hall.  Your friend gave you a map (a paradigm) to use to get there.  It is a great map, recent edition, NRMA certified....absolutely nothing wrong with it.  After a few minutes in the car you find your self hopelessly lost in the back streets of Mascot.  How can this be.  You have a map and it does not match anything you are seeing.  Then you fold the map and look at the cover......it is a map of Brisbane.  Your map or paradigm is real, but pretty useless.  You need a new map, a new paradigm to find the Town Hall.  In Vadim speak, our LGHR correspondent has given us his reality, his map of this Prednisone saga.  He has even drawn conclusions, so it must be true as Vadim attests?   Hmmmmm.  Lets see.

Back later, but for the moment, have a read of this short piece on the internet.  The Author is well known and respected, being included in  Time Magazines most influential people of the 20th century (up there with Mao Tse Tung, John Kennedy, Adolph Hitler even).  Enjoy....

http://curvygirl-chronicles.blogspot.com.au/2011/04/power-of-paradigm-shift-by-stephen-r.html 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-12, 04:30 PM
Norton check your own paradigm .........your point that there's (something) wrong with LGHR.....there's nothing wrong with it...it's a collection of opinions, information and grievances.....which we are free to agree with or ignore.....independent thought something to be admired. Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-12, 07:01 PM
I was being specific about one article that is, lets say, misguided, and requires correction regarding the conclusions drawn.  Hold ya breath.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-13, 05:51 PM
Now for today's reading.  If you are going to pour scorn on a high quality laboratory you should have some basic knowledge of what exactly it is that they do to achieve a test result.  One of the most basic concepts in lab testing is the concept of Sensitivity, Specificity, PPV and NPV.

Our LGHR correspondent would have done well had he searched those terms on the internet.  When I used to lecture uni med students I would spend an hour on just this topic.  (ooh there I go again Vadim, I forgot I was a stupid man)    It is a bit complex but this paper I found on the internet gives some basic concepts.  Pity the LGHR bloke didn't look into this.  It might have helped shift his paradigm.  The info related to human pathology but the concepts apply in lab tests whether medical or veterinary.

  http://ceaccp.oxfordjournals.org/content/8/6/221.full

One of the key points to emphasise is this extract "Many clinical tests are used to confirm or refute the presence of a disease or further the diagnostic process. Ideally such tests correctly identify all patients with the disease, and similarly correctly identify all patients who are disease free. In other words, a perfect test is never positive in a patient who is disease free and is never negative in a patient who is in fact diseased. Most clinical tests fall short of this idea"

Rule 1:  No lab test is 100% perfect, whether the result returned is positive OR negative.  

The question therefore is how, in the case of drug testing of racehorses can this impediment be overcome to provide certainty about the result and confidence in the lab producing it.?  I have already answered the second part...a lab like the RSC operates at an international ISO proscribed quality system.  Methods and functionality are subject to regular internal and external audits, and accreditation can only be maintained by regular external assessment.  The process is stringent and exhaustive.  All labs can produce error (we will address this later), but when you operate in this system errors get detected and a process called corrective management clicks in.  The proper Quality term for this is Quality Improvement.  Try googling it you need to.

Certainty about the results a lab churns out is a bit more complex.  I will come back to that later.  But let me first give you an example of the difference between Sensitivity and Specificity that most can relate to if you are a blood donor.

When you donate blood at the Red Cross, you will need to disclose a teensy bit of info about your sexual practices.  This is the first screen process for eligibility.  If you are a male who ticks the yes box asking if you have had anal intercourse with other men, or if you are an IV drug user, you will be excluded from donating blood.  Unfortunately not all people tell the truth in a questionnaire (understandable), so when your blood is taken, a sample is sent to the Red Cross labs (TGA certifified) who will test your blood for transmissible agents such as  HIV, Syphilis, Hep B and Hep C…even if the donor seems perfectly healthy.  The aim is to prevent transmitting these diseases to any recipient.  You seek zero tolerance in your test screening for diseases caused by these microbes.  Hmm zero tolerance....where have we heard that term used over and over recently?  Oh yeah, by that owner over at LGHR.  

How does the lab achieve that? It sets the test parameters to detect ALL positives and a percentage of samples that contain factors which may return a false positive.  In other words you set the test threshold, usually called the cut off point low, so low that you couln't possibly miss a true positive.  The trouble is that this poorly specific assay will toss up reactive results above the low cut off that are false reactives.  The good bit is that any blood that tests negative in this screening procedure is a TRUE NEGATIVE. Your blood donation can go straight to the hospital for use in transfusion.  Just remember this key point....it is normal in screening tests to find a FALSE POSITIVE result, because of the way the test cut off is constructed. So if we apply this concept to equine drug testing a TRUE NEGATIVE is a valuable commodity isn't it.  No inquiry needed. No conspiracy, no loss of integrity, all normal.  With me so far?  Hang in there, we have a way to go.

Now what does the Red Cross do with the donors who screened positive.  We know not all of them are real.  It is pretty simple.  We do a referee or confirmatory test with a different threshold, a more Specific test or referee procedure determined to eradicate the false positives and leave us with only the TRUE POSITIVES.  Depending on circumstance the Red Cross might deem the donated blood excluded by the second test still suitable for use other than transfusion e.g. production of gamma globulin, construction of reference panels etc.  When they find a true positive blood the donation is destroyed and the Red Cross is left with a clinical management issue for the donor.  They employ doctors to deal with these donors, who often get a bit of a shock.  BTW, in the early days of the HIV epidemic it was not uncommon for a patient who had engaged in some high risk sexual practices to donate blood for thenefarious purpose of getting their blood tested.  This was thought easier than having to fess up to their GP.  It was an unethical practice and is one of the reasons the questionnaire was quickly broardened.  But I digress.

Now, in the 7 Prednisone positive saga, where 4 trainers were excused from inquiry for being falsely negative, and 3 were implicated with the true positive results, this is the murky part.  

More to follow.
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Post by: ratsack on 2014-Dec-13, 06:44 PM
i think the problem you face here norts , is we all read the first sentence and then cover our ears   :shrug:

most would be humming la la la la

maybe give us something in a couple of sentences  :x:

 :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-13, 07:01 PM
Rats be patient.  The truth is coming.
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Post by: ratsack on 2014-Dec-13, 07:08 PM
Ratsack, my intention is to prove beyond any doubt that the LGHR article is based on a totally false premise and that there is no intrigue, no integrity issue, no scam.

Now when i first made that relatively simple statement last wed, I was told my remarks were wrong.  How dare I contest that something dark, dirty and had occurred and justice was not served.  I need to prove my case.  And I can    :lol:  

 :rolleyes:

 :therethe

undoubtedly you are correct , i know we can not look at the thread if we wish 

BUT geeees i still think with your superior intelect ya can do it in less sentences   :shrug:

la la la la la

 :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-14, 09:15 AM
Norton ....No More please. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-14, 12:51 PM
Arsie.  I have Vadim telling me somehow the aggrieved author of the LGHR article deserves some slack because "owners" have rights and should be allowed to express their case.  And I have you telling me that racing benefits from an independent website.  I actually agree with both of you. 

But when the specific article is incredulous, seemingly based on a paranoid obsession about justice being denied, a unfair attack on a highly credible laboratoryy someone who does not understand the science of testing, and an allegation that 4 trainers were relieved of their liability and three were not, therefore implying a lack of integrity, I intend to demonstrate how far wide of the stumps this article is.

Just because it is written on LGHR does not necessarily make it accurate.  I intend to demonstrate that. 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-14, 09:46 PM
Make it short and sweet then Norts......hard to concentrate once you go scientist on us. Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-15, 09:47 AM
The non scientists amonget us should by now to be able to understand that a pathology test, such as a Prednisone assay in horse's urine or your own test for Ross River Virus on blood, is not as simple as a chippy might test the length of wood with a tape measure.  The latter is a one to one measure i.e. put the tape against the piece and read the number.  Easy peasy, as long as the tape measure is accurate.  Hopefully your chippy bought his tape from a reputable manufacturer with NATA or other formal accreditation to ISO9000+, and not at the local markets.  :sweat:

A lab test has a one to many measure, with multiple factors affecting assay methods, and then a calculation process of result data and confirmatory testing.   :what:  What the client / steward / owner / trainer sees is the reported result which can be expressed as
1. POSITIVE or NEGATIVE in the case of a qualitative result where the assay data is above or below a constructed threshold value, or  
2. a NUMERICAL result accompanied by a statement of normal range in the case of a quantitative result.

A good example of a qualitative i.e. positive or negative, result is my Chicken Pox test.  It is POSITIVE because I had it as a kid and then had a bout of shingles as an adult.   :tears:   My HIV test is NEGATIVE, because I don't have AIDS.    :biggrin:  

A good example of a quantitative test is my Hepatitis B antibody test which is 85 mIU/ml, because I have been vaccinated and that level tells me I don't yet need a booster shot until my level falls to 20 mIU/ml.  

A slightly different type of quantitative test result is my result for Alcoholic Hepatitis.  I rushed out and got this done after Brett Wintec outed me for hanging around committee room bars at racetracks.   :sad: Thanks Brett for the thumbs up on that, I could sue the bastards for endangering my health eh?.   :embarrassed:  For this I needed to know my ALT and AST levels, which are 170 U/L and 90 U/L respectively, and my GGT is 80 U/L.     :biggrin:    Like everyone, my blood contains these metabolites but they are in normal range.  Phew.  I can still have a drink occasionally eh Brett.  All well below the threshold for alcoholic disease.....so far.

Now why would a lab report
1. numbers or words,
2. sometimes both and
3 sometimes report a normal range and other times not?  

Go figure.  This is getting a bit complex eh?  Fortunately the bloke over at LGHR is an owner, and they understand this stuff well enough to draw accurate conclusions and make accusations don't they.  I mean Arsie used to be a knowledgeable, successful owner and is not an idiot  :clap2:.  Ratsack is a knowledgable, successful owner and....... well enough said eh Rats  :whistle: .  And DD is an owner.....  :sad:  Which owner can understand all this guff I have been spruiking without having to suck stuff off the internet piecemeal?  DD can...he has scientific knowledge and is an owner, despite being..... well, not like Arsie or Rats in certain ways.

Well, the answer is simple.   The lab report is constructed to meet the purpose of the test.  And you need to know what all this means before you draw honest conclusions about results, and error.

Every trainer I know gets some blood tests done on a horse before they race.   The most useful might be the White Cell Count which is expressed as a number that can be interpreted against a lab defined normal range.  We know the horse will have white cells if it is still breathing.  So a Positive (horse is alive) or negative (horse is dead...excuse the pun) won't answer the trainer's question which is "how healthy is my horse...any sign of illness or infection?".  So he gets a number to a) see if it is in normal range, and b) find if it is up or down on last week.

For a CO2 test, say on raceday, the question asked is "what is the CO2 level in this blood?"  The lab responds with a numerical result and offers a proscribed normal range to define if the result is under or over normal.  Note the distinction here that a CO2 level above the normal range can be interpreted as a "positive" return.  stewards like to use the term "elevated".  A number within the normal range can be interpreted as negative, sometimes it is said that the CO2 was "normal".

For a Prednisone test submitted to the lab with the question "does the sample contain prohibited drugs.?"   There are no iffs or buts, just is there anything in it or not?  This time the report will say either Positive (yes) or Negative (no).  It is a definitive result......Prednisone was either present or it wasn't.

Get the idea?  It really is very simple.

Next we will look at, nay we will expose the truth about Prednisone saga, which is creating all the fuss.

Back later.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-15, 06:17 PM
And so we come to the LGHR question were 4 trainers were excused from inquiry over swab returns for other than legitimate reasons.  The answer is no.

This is fully explained in the transcript of the Inquiry findings posted on the RQ website on 24 December 2014.    http://www.thoroughbredracingqueensland.com/racing-news/4271/Steward-Report---Prednisone-and-Prednisolone-Investigation

It is understandable that the the LGHR correspondent finds it difficult to reconcile these findings as his horse was one of the 3 that were not excused.  The science is simple but there was test error that can be explained.  There is no conspiracy however.   

In the laboratory an assay is "controlled" or proven reliable by including positive and negative standards (called controls) of known value plus  high,  mid and low level sample that is recorded and graphed over time.  No batch run will deliver the exact same / precise result...such are the nature of biological tests.  When varience in assay measurement exceeds more than 2 standard deviations, the batch run is declared invalid and repeated.  If the variation repeats, an investigation of cause is required.  It is apparent from the information in the stewards that assay variation was not in question with these  7 Prednisone results.  The values obtained stood.  Indeed the referee labs found similar levels. "Both laboratories confirmed the presence of prednisone and prednisolone in the referee portion of the samples."  The results appeared to be correct.

Let me diverge here with a real time experience in my laboratory career.   There is a lab test for a bacteria Bordetella pertussis (Whooping Cough).  On this occasion one private pathology lab was reporting positive results in epidemic proportions whilst all others were not.  Alarm bells rang across the Communicable  Diseases network.  My role was to convene a working group to investigate.  We found, using reference panels of samples that the private lab was using a batch of test reagents that produced a high background signal in their assay, despite all other control factors being in harmony.  The cut off threshold was too low.  This was, in fact, caused by what is called background noise or interference.  This can come from any number of assay elements e.g. dilution solutions, signal compounds, electronics, instrumentation, etc.  This is a regrettable but normal occurrence in all testing labs and quality systems are always in place to detect outlayers, albeit sometimes retrospectively.  In a low prevalence population the positive predictive value of an assay becomes difficult to maintain.  Biological systems are never 100% uniform.  Such is the nature of laboratory testing.  Multiple factors can impact on an assay. 

Observation of trends is part of good lab practice, and it is to the credit of RQ stewards in the Prednisone saga that an observation of an abnormal occurrence of Prednisone positives had occurred and an investigation, similar to the Whooping Cough example above.   The report states "stewards became concerned with the number and frequency of positive tests to prednisone and prednisolone reported to Racing Queensland by the Queensland Government Racing Science Centre during the early part of 2013." 

This rang alarm bells at RQ.  Too many positives.  Trends take time to observe.  Was this an epidemic or conspiracy of doping or an assay fail?  To the absolute credit of the RSC and the RQ stewards an investigation was commenced.   The assays looked OK but the epidemiology looked abnormal.  Tick one for RQ and the RSC.  A low integrity organisation might well have kept the abnormality in house and punished innocent owners / trainers, but they didn't.  The investigation revealed that the RSC assay had become too sensitive for its intended purpose (remember the explanation of Sensitivity earlier), and it was producing FALSE POSITIVES in addition to TRUE POSITIVES. This was due to what is termed background interference on the assay, and is often normal in a screening assay.  A revision of the assay threshold was necessary to eradicate the False Positive.  This revision occurred in collaboration with the reference laboratories.   A totally normal procedue, even if inconvenient for all involved, especially winning connections.

When the threshold was redefined, 4 of the initial Prednisone Positives fell below the threshold, whilst 3 remained above and confirmed as true positives.

I will leave the lesson at that.  There was no conspiracy, no loss of integrity, just good detective work by the lab and the stewards.  Three Pred positives were defined to be true and the liability of trainers addressed.  Four positives were able to be found false and the samples correctly reported as negative after review.  A bit ugly, but such is the nature of biological assays.  At least all reported negatives were true.   

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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-15, 06:33 PM
Norton is a man of many talents.....just discovered he possesses the ability to see into the future...posting this  "This is fully explained in the transcript of the Inquiry findings posted on the RQ website on 24 December 2014.    http://www.thoroughbredracingqueensland.com/racing-news/4271/Steward-Report---Prednisone-and-Prednisolone-Investigation
or it could just be a typo. Giddy up   :biggrin:   :sleep:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-15, 07:00 PM
Correct Arsie.  Just wanted to see if anyone noticed.  Sad thing is you missed the typo in the Report itself.  Oh dear.  :embarrassed:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-15, 08:21 PM
Correct Arsie.  Just wanted to see if anyone noticed.  Sad thing is you missed the typo in the Report itself.  Oh dear.  :embarrassed:

No noooo Norts I haven't read it yet ..saving it for bedtime. :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

Well Norton I'm glad that's over...you had to play second fiddle to the Martin Place siege which ended badly for us.....and  thank you for your extensive reporting explaining the issues with a little bit of humour thrown in. Giddy Up :beer:.
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Post by: Stan Still on 2014-Dec-16, 07:47 AM
Thanks Norton for your brief resume of the prednisolone saga. Now could you pls turn your talents to a similar brief resume of how Mr Abbott, not the one with the big ears that tries to run this country and affectionately known to me and others as Mr Wabbott, but the harness trainer who was exonerated by a Mr Brock Miller on appeal over his 2 year conviction for bringing the noble sport of trotting into disrepute for backing his charge twice to get beaten which it did then backing same steed to win which it did.
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Post by: vadim on 2014-Dec-16, 07:56 AM
At least all reported negatives were true.

And it comforting to think that right here in our own backyard we have the laboratory and indeed the expert staff to ensure we get the results that no other Authority in the Country can achieve.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-16, 07:30 PM
Norts is offline possibly suffering from RSI all that typing.......he's resting up until tomorra when he'll dissect the next issue of LGHR. Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-17, 07:13 AM
The Waller swab decision is the headline issue in this weeks edition of the WW......it only came online a few moments ago and an alarming  thought passed through my mind that Norton might have succeeded in shutting  it down ...to my relief that was a one of the wildest thoughts I've ever had ...but I am expecting some fireworks from Norts seeing he's been outed as RQ's "parrot".....not a very flattering description for one so well known in scientific and racing circles......I recall John Laws referring disparagingly to his then radio jock in opposition as a parrot..Alan Jones...Norts won't take that lying down. Giddy up. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3158-wednesday-whinge-what-chance-was-chris-waller-of-ever-being-disqualified
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-17, 04:11 PM
Vadim, I sometimes wonder if I am talking t wool!!!!

To offer such a silly and cynical remark youmust not have spoken to other labs and and ascertained  they don't experience assay error from time to time.  I actually bothered to do so..

Guess what?

You now look like a prize goose.
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Post by: vadim on 2014-Dec-17, 05:37 PM
And in he comes just like a prize schnapper   :biggrin:
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Post by: Stan Still on 2014-Dec-17, 05:53 PM
Mmmmm schnapper ???? is that a fish or a Kiwi alcoholic beverage.
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Post by: vadim on 2014-Dec-17, 08:10 PM
Mmmmm schnapper ???? is that a fish or a Kiwi alcoholic beverage.

Actually it is the proper spelling (I think)
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Post by: Stan Still on 2014-Dec-18, 08:19 AM
apologee vadum, yure spellin ws korect
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-19, 12:55 PM
Thanks Norton for your brief resume of the prednisolone saga. Now could you pls turn your talents to a similar brief resume of how Mr Abbott, not the one with the big ears that tries to run this country and affectionately known to me and others as Mr Wabbott, but the harness trainer who was exonerated by a Mr Brock Miller on appeal over his 2 year conviction for bringing the noble sport of trotting into disrepute for backing his charge twice to get beaten which it did then backing same steed to win which it did.

Dumbfounded as you are on that one Stan.  Legal eagles are a will to their own and perhaps saw something the rest of us didn't.  I, for one, was amazed when Commissioner White found in her RC report early this year that the Bentley regime did a reasonable job running racing. She actually said that.  Pity about the money they spent on white elephant projects and the legal fraternity in their time.  "Reasonable!!!!" Go figure.  No one is in jail yet over the exec payouts either.

Norton has been out and about this week and has only just caught up with the Wierd and Wierder over on LGHR.  Gee it is was solid as a wet kleenex this week.  Must be Christmas.  Norton got labelled by some anonomymous well known racing identity as "a parrot who writes under a non-de-plume on a racing blog site"  .   8)

Is it just me or can anyone else see the irony in that remark?   :clap2:  This goose is unfairly uncomplementary about your RH Talk bloggist when he says "everyone who knows who he is and his background in racing and politics question his credibility".   Oh dear.  Methinks the LGHR bloke is still hurting about the demise of the former regime and the fact that the good guys won....suffer in ya socks laddie.  ;)  Is it cold enough out there for you in the rockthrowers quarry?  :beer: :beer:   

Apparently my accurate, some say exhaustive, explanation off why the prednisone result is true escapes this LGHR scribe.  Talk about Manuel from Fawlty Towers, the horse had pred, simple as that.  And the Rule says the liability rests with the trainer who pleaded guilty to the charge.

He offers this fabulous advice (albeit on a false premis).....The majority how the heck do you measure that to be accurate enough to proclaim it as a factare sympathetic of Bita and don’t blame him for walking away from the industry.  But that’s how things work in racing in Queensland these days pure rubbish statement, AS THE FACTS DON'T SUPPORT and until there is some change we just have to accept it or follow his lead why don't ya put ya stakeholding where ya mouth is then and get out of town........ya won't ya mug because you don't have the honesty and conviction to do it.  Oh deary me, another 3 year term of this coming up.

If we follow this sympathy theme to any logical conclusion, are the "majority" promoting a second tier of trainers.....battlers, who deserve a two strikes get out when their horse is found to have been dosed with a prohibited drug?   Or should even "battler" trainers have to come to the understanding that responsibility for stable and horse security and liability for black and white AR Rules of Racing comes with the Trainer's Ticket.  If the horse returns a pos pred result and you didn't do it, your security and scruting was obviously inadequate.  Blaming the authority and testing lab is a cop out.  Maybe, just maybe, The LGHR scribe is the one with a cred prob eh. :o

Now lets consider the rest of W&W this week.  Hmmmm nah, nothing there we did'nt know.   I reckon this LGHR mob should get out of the North lakes Shopping Mall coffee shop and get some pics up with real stories to entertain the masses.  Phillip does half of that (guess which bit is his specialty........you guessed it, pics taken from the grandstand) so we still need better than JR.

So, once again I have to fill in for LGHR.  These are some of the narked about racing folk this week.

This is the soon to retire Sydney Chief stipe Ray Murrihy.  Was good to catch up with Ray on Wed, and no, he doesnt read either JR or LGHR websites (or was he yanking my chain?).  Hopefully we might see a bit more of Ray at the races in Brisvegas in retirement.
(http://s11.postimg.org/mltzj8v0v/Ray.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mltzj8v0v/)

Chris Waller was in real good form on Wed with a few winners.  I am amazed by rockthrowers who claim Chris might have been using Lasix as a masking agent for hitting his runners.  Why would the most successful stable this century, employing over a hundred staff, and with owners queuing up to pay exhorbitant fees to a bloke at the top of his game dabble in doping horses for a betting hit.  And some thing he got off light, despite accepting his liability and providing a true explanation of how it happened.   Ya gotta love conspiracy theorists.  Piffle.  Easy to claim it on ya blog but try saying it to his face ya narks.  Willing to risk it?
(http://s18.postimg.org/5ybjf64yd/Chris.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5ybjf64yd/)

No need to say who this is.  Here he is in his raceday office.
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I heard one of them ask how will be beat Rudy in the Doncaster?
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I just want to thank the LGHR boys for all the entertainment provided in 2014.  Gives us all a reason to get out of bed on Wednesdays.  Great Stuff.  A Merry Christmas to all.

Will be back next Wed with the nominees for the Golden Boulder for 2014.  Will be announced on New Years Eve.  There is still time to score in the comp next week, but better make it good.  The opposition is pretty formidable.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-19, 01:48 PM
Now, in order to give our mates at LGHR a chance to get a fast lane to win the 2014 Golden Boulder, try tossing a rock at this announcement today.  Seems Qld will host the richest raceday in the country come 2016.  Your task, if you wish to accept it, is to toss scorn on Minister Dickson, the Deagon Mafia, MM and the GCTC in one blogpost.  To qualify, it has to make sense and have a pic of the Minister in it.

Guess who is going to be Racing Minister for another three years.....start here.

http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/racing-news/5415/10-million-the-Magic-number-for-Queensland-summer-racing
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Dec-19, 02:34 PM
Has been a watershed year for LGHR.

We've finally learned why it was set up:  TO SELL TIPS.

What a wonderful service to the industry that is.

No doubt the tips are NO GOOD - otherwise ya'd just back them and collect the winnings.

Shame we don't get any evidence to convince us that they're worth buying.

Looking forward to another year of the same old rubbish from the same old whingers.

 :clap2:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-24, 06:02 AM
It's a little light on the number of contributors this week ...not surprising tho with Christmas looming ....many of us  have our minds focussed elsewhere.....quite a strong opinion on the TVN SKY tussle which should get the  :no1: spot......and Darren Condon's lips are sealed refusing to reveal details of the MM $20M funding arrangements ....being quoted dismissing legitimate questions on this issue..... that it would be lunacy for the industry to expect this to be revealed ....WHY . :o

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3159-wednesday-whinge-rq-says-lunacy-for-industry-to-expect-details-of-mm-deal

 Darren is well in front for the non prize of "Goose of the Year" Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-24, 06:23 AM
It's a little light on the number of contributors this week ...not surprising tho with Christmas looming ....many of us  have our minds focussed elsewhere.....quite a strong opinion on the TVN SKY tussle which should get the  :no1: spot......and Darren Condon's lips are sealed refusing to reveal details of the MM $20M funding arrangements ....being quoted dismissing legitimate questions on this issue..... that it would be lunacy for the industry to expect this to be revealed ....WHY . :o

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3159-wednesday-whinge-rq-says-lunacy-for-industry-to-expect-details-of-mm-deal

 Darren is well in front for the non prize of "Goose of the Year" Giddy Up. :beer:

You would need to question motive of the questioner mate.  :yes:  The lunacy might refer to the possibility nothing but LGHR scorn would flow from it, just to give rockthrowers some free stones.

Otherwise it is quite normal to retain such details as "commercial in confidence".   All businesses can choose to do this when a private party is involved in a spend.  Auditors will see the transaction in due course about July 2016 and will ring appropriate alarm bells if the arrangement transgresses RQ's charter.   Could the LGHR query be construed as vouyeristic and for no meaningful purpose other than trying for a headline?  They get one anyway from the refusal.  I sure can sleep at night without pondering the amount.

Let's watch the outcomes of the 2016 day first to see what benefits occur from what will be a budgeted nominal spend from RQ's forward estimates.  The former regime probably spent ten times more on exec payouts, legal fees, failed projects and cushion tracks and got nothing back.  This money is on a string, if Mr Dixon is to be believed.  ;)

Reminds me, wonder how that ASIC inquiry is going.  :whistle:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-24, 07:09 AM
You would need to question motive of the questioner mate.  :yes:  The lunacy might refer to the possibility nothing but LGHR scorn would flow from it, just to give rockthrowers some free stones.

Otherwise it is quite normal to retain such details as "commercial in confidence".   All businesses can choose to do this when a private party is involved in a spend.  Auditors will see the transaction in due course about July 2016 and will ring appropriate alarm bells if the arrangement transgresses RQ's charter.   Could the LGHR query be construed as vouyeristic and for no meaningful purpose other than trying for a headline?  They get one anyway from the refusal.  I sure can sleep at night without pondering the amount.

Let's watch the outcomes of the 2016 day first to see what benefits occur from what will be a budgeted nominal spend from RQ's forward estimates.  The former regime probably spent ten times more on exec payouts, legal fees, failed projects and cushion tracks and got nothing back.  This money is on a string, if Mr Dixon is to be believed.  ;)

Reminds me, wonder how that ASIC inquiry is going.  :whistle:

Thanks for asking Norts about the ASIC inquiry ......nothing yet ......but I'm still thinking on it ...... preparing some thoughts....probably a Quixotic exercise .....expecting answers .. .......must admit I was  surprised that the comprehensive RQ Annual Report didn't have something to say about it....... :o

You heard anything? :whistle:


Just shooting from the hip .... it maybe that RQ is subject to Right To Information laws.....commercial in confidence might not be a sufficient response should the question be put. Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-24, 08:51 AM

Just shooting from the hip .... it maybe that RQ is subject to Right To Information laws.....commercial in confidence might not be a sufficient response should the question be put. Giddy Up. :beer:


No hope if the deal is contractual.  Plus a cent won't be spent until 2016.

This feigned indignation over at LGHR is a bit rich though.  No Golden Boulder stuff in that.  Very disappointing.  A few easy instances of CiC have come to mind........

Do Governments or political parties ever reveal the true cost of their advertising spend with News Ltd or Fairfax or TV stations? NO it is CiC.

Do Unions ever tell the members the amounts "donated" to the ALP?  I used to ask my Union and was dismissed every time.

Do companies reveal expenses paid to consultants? NO it is CiC.

Do public sector agencies reveal tender prices?  NO  it is CiC.

Are most company or agency Board meeting minutes traditionally withheld?  YES they are private deliberations.

Are Cabinet meeting minutes traditionally withheld?  YES they are.

 
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-28, 01:14 PM
And so as the year draws to a close it is time to announce the monthly qualifiers that form the short list for the 2014 Golden Boulder Trophy.  The judging panel (the boys and girls from the Deagon Bait and Tackle Shop, just over the road at Royal Deagon) will assemble in suitable shorts, thongs and floppy hat at the fish and chipper on the front at Sandgate this Tue to announce the winner.  Here are the short listed candidates by month.

Jan 2014........Anonymous
Quote of the month was "I have never been a fan of the ‘my way or the highway mentality’ of Bob Bentley when he ran racing. But more and more people like me are starting to question whether we were better off with him in charge than Kevin Dixon at the helm"

The judges likes this because it set the theme for the year

Feb 2014.......Dead heat between Anonymous and KJ of the Gold Coast
Anonymous wrote BEFORE someone starts suggesting that I am a mate of Barry Taylor, I make no apologies for that. I don’t get on with Kevin Dixon and in my opinion the job he has done since becoming Interim Chairman of RQ is second rate. I firmly believe that despite his ‘my way or the highway approach’ Bob Bentley had a greater understanding of the industry. The problem with Dixon is he cannot cope with any form of criticism – especially from what he describes as ill-informed websites – but he is happy to support his mates in the mainstream racing media who refuse to criticize him. The sooner Premier Campbell Newman steps in and tells his Racing Minister Steve Dickson to ‘stop listening to the dills in his Department and at the coal-face of RQ’ and replace Kevin Dixon with Barry Taylor as an independent chairman, the sooner the revival of the racing industry in Queensland can begin.     
The judges like this because Barry Taylor left and Kevin Dixon and the Minister are still there.

Anonymous wins a one week course on Correctional Foresight at the Bardon School of Astrology

KJ wrote "WHY are we racing for an average of only $50,000 per race in Brisbane on a Saturday compared to $80,000 in Melbourne and $85,000 in Sydney?"
The judges liked this because once the wagering deal was signed, the metro prizemoney went up to $65K.  When corrected for the southern states paying prizemoney to tenth place, it seems the Brissie win purse is not all that far short of Sydney. The money was not there when KJ wanted it.

KJ wins a day course on "What Budgets mean, and how to spend within your means"  at Fay's Commercial College for Bankrupts in Calliope.
 
Mar 2014....... Anonymous
Anonymous wrote Racing in Queensland is gradually sinking into the quick-sand.  All their eggs are now in one basket – the finalization of a TAB agreement and the outcome of a court battle with TattsBet – that will simply determine whether racing in Queensland stays in touch with the southern states or drops further behind. What a lot of us can’t understand is the selfish, apparently egotistical approach of the Racing Minister and the RQ Chairman in refusing to allow legal brains on the All Codes Board to participate in the process of negotiating a better TAB deal, not to mention many other important industry issues that they were appointed to oversee. If it means so much to these two gentlemen to emerge from this precarious situation for the industry as the unsung heroes that they want to be very careful this does not blow up in their faces and they are remembered forever as villains by a racing industry that history shows can be very unforgiving
The judges liked this because the prophesy was totally wrong. The court case disappeared, the wagering deal was great and we now have great metro prizemoney, a rich Straddie and the biggest raceday in the country with the $10M MM planned.

Anonymous wins a family sized Humble Pie from the world famous pie shop at Yatala.

More nominees to follow soon.  This is getting exciting.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-28, 03:56 PM
April 2014....Anonymous
Quote of the month was "The Sting Pete Cameron) had finally delivered what his legion of fans have been waiting for and his new column Around the Traps (Sunday Mail) had painted a ‘true picture’ of how bad racing in Queensland is travelling under the new ‘little King’, his band of ‘fence jumping’ supporters and a Government that seems hell bent on destroying metropolitan racing at the expense of appeasing their mates from the National Party who will support the country clubs at all costs".

The judges were gobsmacked by this news. Metro racing has thrived ever since April.

Anonymous wins a fresh tattoo that says Country Roools applied by Porky's Ghost under the grandstand at Mackay racecourse.

May 2014
There was no contribution of sufficient quality.  Very disappointing.

June 2014
Oscar J wrote "Now rumblings about the kennels suggest that once again the trots are going to be propped up by the dogs when the formula is released in a few weeks time"

The judges liked this one because RQ promptly abandoned the existing 3 pie formula.

Oscar J wins a copy of the best seller Rumours Are Not For Hanging Your Hat On.

July 2014
Bret Wintec wrote an absolute LGHR classic "let’s hope Peter Cameron continues to provide balanced views so we have some remote chance of understanding what the facts are about racing matters.

EDITOR’S NOTE: COULDN’T agree more Brett – you certainly won’t read the sort of objective commentary that Peter Cameron is providing of a Sunday in the mainstream daily, especially from the running mates of the RQ Chairman.

In case you missed it here are the REAL FACTS ABOUT THE NEW TAB DEAL as reported by an unbiased columnist in Peter Cameron who doesn’t need to ‘suck up to RQ or the LNP Government to survive’:

The judges had to search around the bait shop for hours looking for the Thesaurus (it was hidden under the frozen worms).  OBJECTIVE = detached, nonpartisan;  UNBIASED = impartial, open minded.  Try asking Pete to list the achievements of the Queensland Turf Club. 

Bret's prize is a copy of a little known text "Poleline Pete and the Palm Meadows Gondola Sting".

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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-29, 07:38 AM
Just a reminder for anyone interested in the fact (that as I opined would be the case) RQ is subject to Right To Information laws and there's no secret about it. Giddy Up :beer:


http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/about/right-to-information.aspx

I'm more interested in knowing what Jerry is contributing....and regretably RTI doesn't apply to him. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-29, 08:05 AM
Sorry to tell you Arsie, been there done that.  The key word in the legislation is "redaction".  That's the bit where the big black Nikko Pen gets used.  Plus you get the emails. memos and letters, but not the phone calls (unless they were minuted) or the Board minutes.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-29, 08:37 AM
Sorry to tell you Arsie, been there done that.  The key word in the legislation is "redaction".  That's the bit where the big black Nikko Pen gets used.  Plus you get the emails. memos and letters, but not the phone calls (unless they were minuted) or the Board minutes.
I knew all that.....had some experience myself in responding to requests.....which I allowed.....respondent appealed to Information Commissioner ...he upheld my decision. Giddy up :thumbsup:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-29, 11:41 AM
Recently?  Would be interesting to know, because in recent times Public Sector agencies use their legal department as the gate for RTI's, not the CEO.  That is done to ensure the requirements of the Act are met to the limit and prevent disputes so that the Commissioner is rarely needed.  The CEO retains the right to argue for any redactions sought.  Commercial in Confidence is normal when a private partner is in the agreement.  If fact it could be argued that RQ would be in the wrong to reveal its part of the sum because, by simple subtraction the other party's component is revealed. 

In any event, who is going to cough up the rather hefty application fee just to have a gawk?  It won't change any outcomes.   Bloody expensive curiosity innit?  I mean the stakes increase in 2016 will be $5M net.  MM will probably be tossing in at least half (because theirs is on a string via the predictable increase in sales revenue), and Government will toss in something via Events Queensland (money on a string again from GST and tourism growth).  Expect $1M from them.  So the RQ figure some want to know is probably somewhere between $0 and $1.5M.  A spit, in other words, in the scale of things. 

Worth the $300 to find out???????  No refunds if they use the Nikko pen you know.   Maybe the boys at LGHR will take the hat around, you know Bret, Albert etc but I doubt it.  Much easier to toss rocks found on the ground.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-29, 12:55 PM
This is the bit I don't understand.  People who don't agree with RQ's choice to boost the MM want to know the exact amount.  They are already aggrieved for whatever reason or purpose, so how does knowing the exact dollar help them resolve that.  Just makes them feel worse if it is over a self defined threshold, or feel stupid if it is under.

Betcha no one can tell me off the top how much Craig Thompson was fined for embezzeling the HSU.  Or what the exact total of the RQL exec payouts were?  That was important for some at the time, but was all we needed to know was they got paid a significant and unnecessary bonus?   
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Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Dec-29, 01:08 PM
I find if difficult to understand why bloggers whose raison d'etre is to make money selling tips, and whose contribution to the industry is NIL, think RQL - or anyone for that matter - should pander to their curiousities.

They're no more relevant than the bloke with all the expert opinions sitting at the bar of the local pub.

I find it even more difficult to understand why RQL show some signs of an obligation to respond.  :chin:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-30, 05:42 PM
August 2014......Albert W
For this "Phil Purser was the only racing journalist with the balls to ‘get it right’ "
The judges couldn't stop laughing.  There are three oxymorons in that single statement.  That is bloody hard to achieve and won the August prize by a lap.  Oh dear, terrific stuff Albert.  Dearie dearie me.  A classic.

Albert wins a watermelon from The Ippy Markets.  Enjoy mate, enjoy.
Gawd, sniff, has someone got a tissue.  Giggle.

September 2014......Stan L
Stan writes without revealing his own true identity "‘I have no problem with any stakeholder or individual expressing an opinion on racing but some of the anonymous blogs – including those on your website – are starting to get up my nose."The judges searched the White Pages, Facebook, Twitter, Linkden and the Qld Electoral Roll looking for a Stan L before giving Stan L the monthly prize.

Stan wins a year's sub to The Phantom comic.  If only we knew who he is to send it to him.

October 2014........pass
The judges found no noteworthy contributions.  Sad.

November 2014......Col Stewart
Col wrote "a pending stakes rise in NSW will relegate Queensland to their customary role of a furlong behind in the not too distant future. All the prizemoney celebration it seems was premature and short-lived."The judges were able to see the irony balancing Col's remarks when Rudy won the Villiers in Sydney recently.  The winner of the main metro race in Qld that day got a winner's cheque that was higher than Rudy's.  Yup.  Nice try Col.

Col wins a new calculator.

December 2014.....TBA
Judges will adjudicate on the December winner after reading tomorrow's W&W.  They will then adjourn to a tinny on Cabbage Tree Creek to get some muddies then knock off a slab or XXXX before announcing the winner of the 2014 Golden Boulder before midnight.  Drum roll please...........
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Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Dec-30, 07:08 PM
Sorry to disappoint you Norts  no WW tomorrow......young John having a well deserved break ...but  will be back on 14th Jan ...in the meantime crocheting. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-31, 07:49 AM
Oh well, the judges will go fishing then.
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-31, 10:59 AM
December 2014........LGHR
The Editor wrote "The major question that most want answered is this: How much money will RQ contribute out of TAB funding or prizemoney coffers each year to the Magic Millions deal?  RQ CEO Darren Condon told me: “We are not disclosing any of the intricacies of the deal. It is lunacy for the industry to expect this.”
The issue of who pays what aside, the judges found this bit perplexing.  The LGHR Editor makes the presumption that he speaks for the Racing Industry in the statement "the major question that most want answered is".  How does he know who "most" are and what their questions are?  If he had prefaced this statement with "I expect that most want" or "Probably many want" or even "Some want answered", it would have been more erudite.  The judges thought this presumptuous display of undertaking to represent the racing industry was extraordinary and makes John a very worthy winner for December.  It was most touching that Mr Condon has appeared to call him a lunatic for asking.  Naughty Mr Condon.

One is reminded at times like these of the words of the great Mao Tse-Tung when speaking about war and peace he said "as for the imperialist countries, we should unite with their peoples and strive to coexist peacefully with those countries, do business with them and prevent any possible war.  But under no circumstances should we harbor any unrealistic notions about them".  LGHR's prize is a copy of The Little Red Book of Quotations from Mao.

Judges are now out in their tinny to decide the grand winner for 2014. 

 
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Post by: Norton on 2014-Dec-31, 08:10 PM
Hmm.  No sign of the judges yet.  Maybe they are waiting for the fireworks.  Last seen out on Moreton Bay.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-01, 08:02 AM
The judges never came back.  Probably in NZ by now.  Oh well.  Best we don't know who the biggest dill at LGHR really is.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-01, 03:09 PM
The link below is a highly credible article in the New England Journal Of Medicine published today.  I highly recommend it to people who think science is simply black and white, addition and subtraction........if only.  When I read it my mind went back to the Prednisone article appeared in the WW of LGHR, with the author making any number of flawed conclusions based on a misunderstanding of the facts.  In the NEJM article the emphasis is on Ebola and how the CDC got it wrong. 

One particular statement stands out like a sore thumb in my mind, and this was one of the things I attempted to highlight in my explanation....... it is nice to see one of the world's signature Journals say similar with
"We must help people grasp that science doesn’t happen instantaneously and that learning from errors is a sign not of incompetence but of experts doing their jobs."

http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMp1413816
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2015-Jan-01, 03:29 PM
Yes, I noticed that today too when I was skimming through the latest medical journals seeing if I too could use them as evidence against my invisible foes.


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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-01, 04:09 PM
Relevance?
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-06, 06:50 PM
LGHR Editor lets go with a rather vulgar rebuke of the MM carnival by posing arguments that were first cast when MM was launched way back when.....restricted to sales horses, run on a tight circuit, full of hype etc etc.  Of course one could easily mount an argument against the Cox Plate which is restricted to committee preferred horses, run on a tight track and full of hype.  Like the Cox Plate, the MM races are unique, and owners have a stack of opportunities to race their horses at the Bris Summer and Winter carnivals where the prizemoney is more than satisfactory since the current Deagon mafia took over.

Commentators like John fail to accept that in 2015 it is all about the event and the industry benefits from prizemoney, betting turnover, huge attendances and general good publicity not seen every day of the week.  At the one time we need to be promoting racing, blokes like John and Phillip Purser use their websites to act like scrooge at a racing party.  It begs disbelief and causes one to wonder about their agendas....it has to be more than sour grapes.  Some people wouldn't recognize success if they won Lotto. 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jan-07, 06:11 AM
An independent observer's view of the MM with some well delivered uppercuts to the glass jaws of the targets......JL is a talented journalist....gets his message across loud and clear.....those with deaf ears and heads in the sand should take notice. Giddy Up :beer:

THE 'MAGIC MASSAGE' WITH THE HAPPY ENDING THAT QUEENSLAND RACING 'ENJOYS' EACH YEAR

by JOHN LINGARD, owner-editor LETSGOHORSERACING

WITH what many critics regard as the unacceptable and unconditional financial backing of Queensland Governments and racing control bodies of all political persuasions, multi millionaire Gerry Harvey continues to grow his Magic Millions circus into one of the Greatest Racing Shows on earth.

Industry purists and long-time followers of the Sport of Kings refuse to recognise Magic Millions as one of the great race days on the Australian turf calendar. Some describe it as a ‘giant wank’ while one prominent Sydney racing writer started a feature story on the MM Sales with the lines: ‘Welcome to Rortsville’.

But what started as a unique and gimmicky event where the ‘surf met the turf’ back in the mid-80s has now grown to the stage where from 2016 it will become Australia’s richest race day which many believe is disrespectful to our undisputed great race, the Melbourne Cup.

No matter how deep and endless the pockets are of the mates of Gerry Harvey in Government and racing, his love child, the Magic Millions, will never become ‘the race that stops the nation’.

What makes all the hype in the mainstream racing media and the finger down the throat garbage that is written all the more absurd is the fact that the race for the big bucks is not contested on a level playing field.

And we are not talking about the fact that history has shown not every starter in the big fields gets its chance on the tricky Gold Coast track. More importantly not every owner of every horse has the chance to compete as they do for the big Group races and major Cups in this country.

Magic Millions is a restricted series for qualifiers that are graduates of the sales from which the profits pour back into the pockets of one of the country’s richest men, Gerry Harvey who has weaved his own special magic convincing the powers that be and those with the money to spend on racing that he will take the event away from Queensland if they don’t support him.

The fact is the Magic Millions would not work as successfully anywhere but the Gold Coast. It is a unique combination at holiday time when the turf does meet the surf. But let’s not get carried away with the supposed economic benefits to the tourist strip which at that time of the year is already bursting at the seams with national and international visitors, the majority of whom are not there just for the races.

Whether the critics like it or not the Magic Millions will remain on the Gold Coast until at least 2022 under the new partnership which Harvey says has been so wisely brokered by his new ‘best mate’ – little King Kev Dixon, who had roots in the breeding industry long before he was chosen to run RQ for the LNP Government and its de facto Racing Minister Steve ‘we’ll finish a furlong in front of the southern states’ Dickson.

One wonders what the founder of the Millions, the late Carl Waugh, would be thinking given the free rein and more liberal cheque from the Government and RQ that has allowed the event to explode – as they would claim – to worldwide proportions.

Gerry Harvey is as far removed from Carl Waugh as former Racing Minister Russ Hinze was from Steve Dickson. Even during the Bob Bentley RQ era it was an annual expectation at MM time for Harvey to cut loose about the lack of financial support and threaten to take the event interstate. It came as no surprise that he found a more sympathetic ear in Kevin Dixon.

With breeders like John Messara and Dixon running the ARB what odds Magic Millions does the unthinkable and attracts Black Type status. Now that would be sacrilegious.

To be fair to Harvey he has always maintained that the MM carnival contributes many more millions - $60mn in fact – to the Queensland economy than any other Gold Coast event. We’re just not sure where he gets his figures from?

It’s a bit like the sale and the prices – many of which over the years have in the eyes of some in the industry been a shade (to say the least) questionable. Colleague Phil Purser, of the popular website justracing, has the intestinal fortitude (yes I am a supporter despite what troublemakers might be suggesting) lacking in the mainstream racing media to highlight the shortcomings of the MM Sales. while other high profile turf writers and commentators simply stick their heads as far as they can up the backsides of Harvey and Dixon (not that it is removed from the latter for most of the time, let alone MM week - morning Nathan).  

John Schell, writing for the Sydney Morning Herald before becoming a Jockey Manager to hoops like Michael Rodd, once over-stayed his welcome on the Gold Coast when he wrote: "Welcome to 'Rortsville', better known as the Magic Millions sale."

Schell pointed out the practice of "buy backs".

"There's nothing illegal or wrong with buying a horse back that you've offered for sale," he wrote. "But to most people the practice may seem to be aimed at obtaining the greatest benefit while remaining inside the law ...

"There's no doubt buy backs are going to continue to occur, where to be eligible for the Magic Millions races a horse has to be sold at a MM sale ...

"Pay the commission to MM, then fork out a nomination fee to be included in the Magic Millions race series. Seems a cheap way to qualify for a potentially lucrative pay-day."

Max Presnell, when Turf Editor of the SMH, suggested that : Perhaps Waugh was a man regarded as out of his depth in 1986 when he came up with the Magic Millions concept but the current Magic Millions owners have already exceeded expectations and continue to put Queensland to the test. Mind you, some would say the present $600,000 in government funding isn't bad, but, as far as Harvey and his partners are concerned, it's peanuts. Put Queensland Racing and the Gold Coast Turf Club, according to Harvey, in the same mingy category as the government. "Why would you give $11m a year to a car race when you've got Magic Millions, which brings a whole heap more, and [we] get virtually nothing.”

The question that RQ of the current day refuses to answer that the majority of racing stakeholders and followers are asking is this:

HOW MANY MILLIONS WILL RACING QUEENSLAND AND THE QUEENSLAND GOVERNMENT CONTIBUTE OF INDUSTRY FUNDS AND TAXPAYERS' MONEY TO A PRIVATE COMPANY TO RUN AUSTRALIA'S RICHEST RACE DAY WHICH IS FOR GRADUATES OF A RESTRICTED SALE?

LETSGOHORSERACING sought some answers from Racing Queensland without much success.

RQ CEO Darren Condon told us: “We are not disclosing any of the intricacies of the deal. It is lunacy for the industry to expect this.”

We feel that is not an acceptable response but much of what happens under the leadership of Little King Kev is steeped in secrecy. Whether RQ should be contributing to the profits of a private company run by one of Australia’s richest men is a matter for debate.

Whether they should be doing this rather than spending more money across the board on smaller clubs in the country where battling owners, rather than rich ones, will reap the rewards is also debatable.  


You be the judge – but don’t count on reading or hearing anything but finger down the throat stuff from the mainstream racing media over the next week or so – little reason the critics regard it as ‘the Millions Massage with a Happy Ending’, or more crudely the annual ‘wank’ that Racing in Queensland has to have.

WE WELCOME YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS ON THIS ISSUE WHEN THE WEDNESDAY WHINGE RESUMES ON JANUARY 14

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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-07, 10:03 AM
What makes the Linguard missive sooooo off target is that the fact that the points he makes are invalid in the current era.  Sure, when MM was first mooted all those arguments were very valid.....the concept was new, and broke existing expectations / culture / norms.  Racing had zero competition, metro racing thrived, and a MM concept was an unnecessary threat.  It was breeder centric (still is) and pitched Royal Bundall, until then a minor provincial venue into the limelight......uninvited.

It was not tolerated well by the status quo OR the media of the day and MM Ver1, run by amateur entrepreneurs, eventually went broke.  Linguard conveniently ignores the next five significant changes:

1: Top shelf professionals took over the MM company and it is an international player at the top end of the game.
2: Government got interested.
3: The racing landscape shifted to a totally new paradigm, from which we have only just emerged.
4: Majority of racehorse owners are corporates like Darley or syndicators, and the single owner with a fleet of horses almost extinct.
5: The racegoer of yesteryear is dead, or is on a walker somewhere in God's waiting room.

So the racing industry, the private sector (thank God they are interested) and Government (which sees it was a money tree), to their credit is now an Events industry.  Because that is what the major stakeholders want and what the 2015 consumer expects.  And what is the best way to satisfy that?

You construct, with Government more than keen to invest in 2015, as many Events as the market will tolerate.  And you steer them clear of any competition sports like footy or cricket. So we have Championships at Easter, Caulfield Cup, Cox Plate and Melbourne Cup week after the AFL, a Brisbane Winter Carnival and a Magic Millions.  These events simply make good business sense.  They are racing's top shelf business products that keep the racing industry in the black.  The breeders and corporate owners are in big time and the name Australian racing stables come to the race every year....in 2015 we see Hawkes, Waterhouse, Lees, Thompson, Baker, Waller, Moore, Portelli, Payne, Moody, Noblett, Hayes, Moses, Quinton, Smerdon, Snowden.  Just look at the jockeys coming......Walker, Oliver, Berry, Reith, Thompson, Reith, McDonald, Clark, Bowman, Avdulla, Schofield, Baster, Parr.  For 2016 we are likely to see international stables and jockeys.

All happening in Queensland, in our backyard, and in our unique international playground.     

To even question the validity of RQ or Government investing in a MM Event is, to quote Mr Condon, simply ludicrous.  To even suggest the money would be better spent on "the battlers" in some sort of welfare system is simply ludicrous. 

But no, Linguard is back in 1988 and can't even understand the message staring him in the face.  He has a massive paradigm shift confronting him, and he simply cannot achieve it.  Dare I quote him with this "the more things change, the more they stay the same".  C'mon Rip Van Linguard, WAKE UP mate.   
 

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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-07, 11:19 AM
This is a MUST READ for the crew of MM rockthrowers over at LGHR.  The GST on the components from this affair (the gear, sales, the venue hire etc) goes back to Government BTW.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/horseracing/magic-millions-launch-party-air-kisses-dancing-and-a-lot-of-champagne-20150106-12j62u.html

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Post by: ianb on 2015-Jan-07, 06:33 PM
The fact remains the major race is for 2 year olds. If the Golden Slipper is for the equivalent of 15 year olds then this is a race for the equivalent of 13 year olds. Hype- plenty of it. Value as a race meeting almost none.

For anyone to suggest it is the most important race meeting in Qld then they have no idea. I would even suggest the Hollindale Stakes meeting is far superior.

And, by the way, I've got no idea what Phil Purser has said about the meeting or John Linguard for that matter.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jan-08, 06:11 PM
This is a MUST READ for the crew of MM rockthrowers over at LGHR.  The GST on the components from this affair (the gear, sales, the venue hire etc) goes back to Government BTW.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/horseracing/magic-millions-launch-party-air-kisses-dancing-and-a-lot-of-champagne-20150106-12j62u.html



Very entertaining Norts......the higfhlight would be a peek at Deborah Quinn's hat ...pity you weren't there with the box brownie.  :lol:

Hamish Turner "The work that has gone into it [the Magic Millions] has been incredible and next year it will be the number one race meet in the country" only one word describes that bit of wishful thinking......delusional......pass the champagne. Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jan-11, 10:45 AM
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Comes a time when if you want something done ya gotta do it ya self.

this is the "Hat"
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jan-14, 09:08 AM
Crikey.....I almost forgot the Wednesday Whinge is back......and here it is the first edition for 2015. Giddy Up. :beer:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3162-wednesday-whinge-who-calls-the-millions-shots-the-magician-or-the-messiah
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-14, 11:26 AM
In the interest of fairness, and considering the Golden Boulder 2014 judges preferred to go fishing with the boys from the Deagon Bait shop rather than waste time on 2014 LGHR nonsense, Norton has decided to begin 2015 recognizing the LGHR WW as Wednesday Whinge.    :biggrin:  It is back by popular demand, you know, and deserves some respect if only for that.  If it goes weird and whacky we will deal with that problem  :sad: ...lets hope it won't.

Today there are a lot of names.  Thanks John, that helps build the cred.  We don't any more of those "masked marvel" correspondants  :ph34r:  who live in constant fear of retribution.  I think that is a furfy really.  When I read the RQ Annual Report there was no mention of a single industry assassination, nor a cent spent on a hit man.  What a bunch of silly worry warts they were eh.  :rolleyes:

On todays menu....Magic Millions toasted to a crisp, with an acid dressing and sour grapes,  and complemented with a glass of fine white wine vinegar.   :fry:  Yummy, if a bit hard to swallow.  Rated 4 stars, the consummate whinge.

Roy Sinclair of Brisbane (  :/ hmmmmm, oh well, it's the New Year so lets be tolerant) does the kick off for 2015.  Roy seems a picky sort of fella and must have had a horrible weekend.  I don't know how he managed to watch the races on TV without throwing up.  He dislikes Gerry, Kevin, Darren, the $10M showcase in 2016, the stewards, the rough house jockeys, crowds, drunks and probably has doubts about the Pope, his truck, the dog, the wife and the kids.  Roy mate, before you do yaself some self harm, seek help.  A few months on some Cymbalta  :excited: will do the trick to get you through to the Winter Carnival, then get on a double dose in early December so you can join everyone else at the 2016 MM and party like the Rolling Stones.   :yay:

Dave McIntyre of the Gold Coast hates MM being the biggest race meeting in the Australia.  C'mon Dave, it's even in ya own backyard and you can get there in a taxi not a plane.  More money to party with.   :clap2:  And it is not as if there is any surprise.  Those fellas who laughed at Steve Dickson telling us Qld would finish a furlong ahead of the rest must be real sick by now.  We have now got a decent wagering deal, decent metro prizemoney, a monster WRC and the richest raceday in Australia.  Wooo woooo  :bleh:  Tellya, some people wound whinge about the prizemoney if they won first div in Lotto.  Suffer in ya socks Dave, suffer.  We don't need you.

Glen Marshall of Sydney wants RNSW to invent a competing race day in Sydney for the purists to watch on TVN.  The ATC could have Ritchie instead of Francesca, and five horse fields all trained by Chris Waller and ridden by female apprentices in bikinis  :o  (all the senior jocks will be at the Gold Coast) to make it real interesting.  Sounds like a great idea Glen.  Go for it.  Purists like Glen are a fading force in 2016, but please don't tell him or we will have two depressed LGHR correspondents.  Glen also thinks the MM concept is a restriction of trade.  Wrong.  You choose to buy a MM horse knowing you can win a motza with it.  No restriction there mate.

Merv The Mad Punter (yeah OK John I can tolerate that one, given it is YOU) hates it when roughies win races.  It must be the MM's fault eh Merv?  :chin:  Or maybe your analyses and ratings got it soooo wrong.  Nah, couldn't happen could it.  I do a lot of good form and never back a loser.  ;)

Wally Hempseed (good one   :lol:    :lol:    :lol:    :lol:    :lol:  , bloody good, I like it)  Hang on, I can't stop giggling.  Whooo.  Steady Norts.  Ahh, blood good one John.  Anyway, Wally is from the Gold Coast (not) and is a good mate of, and adores Terry Bailey the RVL chief steward.  Dunno if Terry is that great seeing some of the hots that occur regularly in Vic races.  Then again, I suppose Terry can't watch every runner in a big field can he?  They don't do many form reversal inquiries down there either.  But Wally thinks Terry is the greatest (I think Ray does a better job in NSW myself), so we need to respect that.  I don't thing Wally did Terry any favours writing what he wrote, especially linking it to a funeral event.  Bit ordinary that.  emthdown

And finally, the great one is saved for last.  Pass the vinegar please....
Albert Williams of Redcliffe.............(no, Norton, don't say it, its a new year)  Bert is seriously p*&&#d off at the prospect of an LNP win on 31/1.  He concedes we get Kevin and Darren back for another term.  John, when you ring the shrink to get appointments for Roy and Glen, better make a third for Albert.  I can give you the name of one who bulk bills if you want.  Just don't let Albert know that Steve Dickson will be returned as Racing Minister......that could tip him right over the edge.

There is a bit of TVN stuff I won't bother reading.  And Barry Bones, an old school mate of mine gives Cronulla a serve (the dishlicker's track, not the footy team).  Nothing new there so don't bother.  But John does run a letter from Max Arthur about the dishlickers.  Max is from Redcliffe and should be severely embarrassed by what he wrote.  Let me show you the ginormous blunder.  John you really should not have let this run, for Max's sake. 

"At the racetrack the other night a greyhound trainer was espousing to all and sundry who would listen, the site called Cronulla Park, owned by the State Government (Crown land)  had been given, I presume he means assigned or transferred at no cost to the greyhound industry.

The know-all trainer’s knowledge of the industry is – in my opinion – very poor.

Let me explain the current Greyhound Board is a Statutory Authority and as such cannot hold any assets. The transfer would have to be to Racing Queensland as Controlling Industry Body, with maybe the probability of a long term lease to the cash strapped Greyhounds, as I understand it could be a payment of about $800,000 per annum, good cash if you can get it for a cash strapped Government."


Er, Max, um, er QACRIB trading as Racing Queensland, and its subsidiary Code Control Boards are indeed ALL Statutory Bodies established under the Racing Act 2012.  Indeed the Annual Report of RQ notes that it holds some $152M in current and non-current Assets, the major portion of which is $105M in property, plant and equipment.   It doesn't and probably won't need to lease anything.  It can own them.

Now who is going to apologize to the "know-all trainer" ?
 
And lastly John, where are the girls?  Gender equity is important.  Ya starting to look like Tony Abbott.


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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-Jan-14, 12:52 PM
Pleased Albert is back.

Hasn't been seen on a racetrack for a long time.
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Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Jan-15, 12:08 PM
I had to have a chuckle when this letter was published a few weeks age:

PERCIVAL SMITH of MELBOURNE writes:

‘HOW much chance is there of the stewards in Sydney and Brisbane following the lead of their Melbourne counterparts at carnival time?

Being a proud Victorian I would suggest – next to none.

Little wonder racing in Victoria is leading the way when it comes to integrity and that many punters regard Sydney and Brisbane, in particular, as ‘no go’ zones.

During the spring carnival RV stewards performed 772 race day raids more than double last year.

Can you imagine the blokes in Brisbane doing even 22 during the Winter Carnival up there and I won’t even mention Sydney where the big go is a ‘walk through’ of the stable areas on race morning akin to ‘coming ready or not’?

Little wonder the latest spring carnival in Victorian has been declared the cleanest ever. It just shows why punters have more confidence in betting on the product in that state.’

Sydney and Brisbane "no go zones"  :what:

Percival has forgotten about the unsolved Les Samba murder. The Damien Oliver betting scandal. The Bill Vlahos/BC3 affair.

And now the Cobalt scandal.

Every state has it's shady characters but I think Percy should look in his own backyard before having a go at the neighbours   :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jan-21, 06:46 AM
Not unexpectedly there's quite a lot of space given to opinions on the Cobalt issue and RQ comes in for some stick nothing unusual there being an easy target although IMO an undeserved one in this instance .......and  even Albert Smith is sailing a little too close to the wind with his contribution and was lucky to be included  probably only because the others were deemed " too hot to handle"...and Albert scraped in. :shutup:....a very interesting collection of opinions especially the articles reproduced from the southern press...Patrick Bartley and Brendan Cormick. Giddy Up  :beer:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3165-wednesday-whinge-rq-has-hardly-led-the-way-in-cobalt-chase

Wade Birch was on RSN yesterday and revealed that of the 9 samples tested as being outliers to Cobalt from 290 tests conducted....six have been sent for further analysis and the results are expected in the next 10 days.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-21, 01:03 PM
Gee you are really pushing the envelope John.  The only reason LHGR has not been raised to a high risk category and renamed Weird is you have supplied accurate and real names for the correspondents today.  Looks like we might have to review the Whinge / Weird assignment on a weekly basis.  I gotta say that some of the stuff written this week is so heavy going, it makes Cobalt seem a light, not a heavy metal by comparison.  We begin with some intrepidation.........

Ralph Stephens (I think he is related to Ray.  John you don't just go through you eMail in tray looking for surnames to use, do you?) is from Brisvegas.  Ralph is an avid Just Racing reader and goes nar nar, nar nar nar  :bleh: at the Deagon mafia for coming out about the RQ approach to the Cobalt saga.  Reckons Phillip caught em with their pants down.  I don't quite see the logic in that because the RQ release tells us that the stewards began working with Harness NSW from the get go.  You do know Ralphie that Wade and Reid are on each others Chrissy card list and they share everything from work secrets to movie reviews and recipes.  Same with Terry down at RVL who chips in with the weekly book review and fishing tips at the regular teleconferences.  The story goes that Terry drew the short straw and had to go live with the first official release on Co last Wed.  Then Wade and then Reid followed.  They waited until Wed so as not to stuff up last Wed's WW, and give the boys at LGHR a full week to mix mud.  C'mon Phillip, er Ralphie, get real.  Ya looking stupid with egg all over ya face, and you know it.  If you do this sort of stuff covertly the crooks don't get away.  And the ARB Rule didn't hit the printers until this month.  How do you prosecute a rule that ain't there.   emthdown  Score +1 for Deagon, I reckon.

Albert Williams of Redcliffe chips in this week.  Well, I'll be a chipmunk in in the Hyne Timber warehouse, how the heck did that happen.  Albert wants to know who has been hitting the horses with the needle, and wants to know NOW!!!  Er, Bert what are you going to do with that information before it needs to be released.  Bite it?  Use it for a beer coaster?  Look for new words to use in Scrabble?  Ya see Albert, I don't think RQ sees your needs as their top priority.  I wonder why that would be.   :chin:  Seems you think the Deagon boys will excuse their mates caught in the Co trap, or even worse not test their mates horses.  Where is the evidence to even think that, let alone say it ??????  Pretty lame stuff.  Three more years of this  :crap: after 31/1.  Up your act son and come up with better stuff than that.  Pleeeeeeeze.  

And then it gets really weird.  Usually John reprints newspaper stuff that is already out there.  This week he gets Paul McNamara to introduce a Patrick Bartley from the Age, and then John himself puts up a Brendan Cormick piece from The Oz, and then bloody Sam Royale a pest from the Gold Coast, bores us senseless with an article by Robert Craddock in the Courier.  Sam goes on to tell us stuff about Cobalt rich peddlars on the Coast and in Towoomba.  Sam, that was in the paper days ago. What tha.  If I want to read the papers I will do that.  LGHR is a sacred site, not a reprint shop.  I am speechless  :o  that the WW can stoop to this.  It's an absolute and utter disgrace to the craft of Whinging.  Shame.  Shame. :tears:

Max Arthur of Margate is this week's Asbestos at Cronulla Park narc.  Max tells us that asbestos is spread by spores.  I never knew that.  He is a serious authority on this.  :no:  Someone should tell the boys over in Environmental Health in Mary St about this new finding.   When he starts spruiking stuff like that only fools should read the rest of his tripe.  Load of  :crap:  

Bob Lang of Brisbane is concerned about the Eagle Farm renos.  Get in the queue Bobby boy.  We want grass, and we want it now mate.  You see, the problem is not with the BRC, not with RQ, not with The Government, but with the Public Service mate.  The approvals to release the cash are tied up in Treasury.  I tried to explain this a while back over in the QACRIB thread about how the Public Service works.  There is no urgent lane unless a roof caves in, and then it would have to be the roof over Sir Humphrey's office.  Even the Pope couldn't buy new wine for Mass if he ran out.  Even God has to wait for the paperwork to go through committees, in trays and out trays etc in our beloved Public Service.  No one believed me did they.   :yes:

Jason Millican of the Sunny Coast (that's called balanced reporting BTW, Jason from Jason McLachlan who trains on the Sunny Coast, and Bill Millican who used to be chair at the GCTC.  Very inventive John  :clap2:)  listens to Alan Jones on the wireless.  Enough said  :sad: .  Get a life son.

Finally Dan from Melbourne bemoans the survival of Ritchie on SKY after TVN goes belly up.  That is about the only piece of fact in the whole whinge today.  :beer:

 







  
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-Jan-21, 01:33 PM
Yes, the asbestos SPORES rant is hilarious.   :lol:

Wouldn't ya think, if something had a technical content, ya'd go out of your way to get some FACTS!

Like publishing a quack cure for cancer without first getting the opinion of an oncologist.  Some of these journalists will never learn.  :nowink:

Of course Council dumps from years ago have asbestos in them.  :yes:  But they doesn't mean their disaster sites.  Not all that difficult to dampen the soil if the rubbish is gonna be disturbed.  :bulb:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-27, 07:59 AM
Oh dear.  Went to LGHR to see if Terry B was back.  Was greeted with this.

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This is one of the weirder LGHR opening pages to be seen.   At least it makes sense in Croation:

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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jan-27, 08:55 AM
You mighta been banned Norts   :lol: ?
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-28, 07:41 AM
Still am.  Seems readers now have to have a password to read the whinge. 

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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jan-28, 07:50 AM
You've been barred mate.......serves ya write for taking the piss.   :lol:  

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3168-wednesday-whinge-claims-racing-and-politics-coverage-bias-in-major-daily
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-28, 08:08 AM
I reckon that mob at Deagon have hacked the place.  The boys at the Deagon Bait and Tackle Shop across the road report sightings of nerdy looking types coming in for a coffee or five during the night.  They were speaking in bits and bytes and passwords
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-28, 10:33 AM
Well I am stunned.  LGHR has gone Retro.  Phillip is having the same approach over at JR where exclusives from 2005 and pics from 2009 are getting re runs.  Must be something to do with having his media pass being dishonoured at Royal Ippy.  Makes for dullness.  Must be a ploy  :chin:

At LGHR............

Albert Williams of Redcliffe (I reckon Albert was a journo somewhere in his past...maybe the ole Daily Sun perhaps) recounts decades of bias in the Courier Mail, and goes way back to Jimmy Anderson's days when no one was game to bag the QTC.  Albert is also aghast at the LNP bias the Murdoch press continues to exhibit in the coverage of the Qld election.  I'm with you on the latter Albert   emthup  .  It is a shocker.  Full marks for pointing it out to us.  Mind you Norton revealed it exclusively in the Soap Box last week.   You boys havn't been reading my posts again have you  :o .  Anyway, Albert lives in hope the Deagon mafia are about to meet their Elliot Ness on 31/1.  They say prayer works Bertie boy.  :x:

Max Kavanagh (that's be a hybrid of Max Presnell & cobalt Kav in Melbourne...not very original John) is from the Gold Coast.  Max is looking for a running partner when he goes for the daily grunge up and down Surfers beach with  his speedos over his head.    :lol:   He just hates to run as one.  It is so hard to move up the beach with purpose and optimism on your own.  Norton to Max......  ditch those speedos mate and you will have no problem finding partners to run with.  :yes:

Wally Andrews of Brisbane is today's Toowoomba nark.  Enuf said.  Walter also drives a silver stake right through the heart of the Deagon initiative to take a junket to NZ this week  :yay: .  Bloody hell Wal, they don't even make junket in NZ .  Those boys will came back with PTSD not joyful holiday snaps.  Get real.   :mad:

Arthur Westcott of Burleigh is this weeks Nathan Excelby nark.  Reckons Nathan is an absolute and utter disgrace (oops, wrong website  :embarrassed: ) as a journo and .......well, you know, all the usual stuff.   I've seen better Nathan bashing at the local pub.  Let's turn the heat back onto Arthur for a change.  I mean what mother names her son Arthur?  Is Arthur one of those Burleigh bikies? A dreg of the CFMEU perhaps?  Would Artie have the guts to get one of those "I hate Nathan" tats on his forehead?  Big questions ya big Burliegh bogan.   :bleh:  Just leave my mate Nathan alone.  He has feelings ya know.

Some bloke gets the irrits from Sky presenters.  Get in the queue mate.  They can be shockers can't they.

Barry Bones of Capalaba retro fits the sad dishlicker saga since 2008 to current.  He actually does a good job of it.   :clap2:  Keep up the good work Bazza.  Meanwhile the dogs continue to race at AP and Ippy and from what I can see of tongues flapping and tails wagging at the pull up, at least the dogs are happy.

Percy Smith  of Melbourne has just worked out that Sydney race fields are blighted with small acceptances.  Well I never.  He even quotes Kenny Callendar to prove his observations, and then dares to question the efficiency of Mr V'Landies at running the show in NSW.  Um, er, John, can you let Perce know that Kenny and Peter V are actually besties mate. I would stay well away from that pair.   :/

That's about it.  Not a mention of Prince Phillips new gong....not a single mention of it.  Surely that was a Dixon thing.  I overheard Seagull telling Zara at the Millions to pass on his congrats to her grandpa.  Ears to the ground boys pleeeeeeeeze.
 

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Post by: arthur on 2015-Jan-28, 10:47 AM
I mean what mother names her son Arthur?[

No need to get personal . .

Sgd. Arthur the 'Great South East' nark
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Jan-28, 12:04 PM
Arthur, my sincerest apologies to your Mum, and my most genuine commiserations to your good self.  :sweat:  I always thought of you as a Lawrence, a Richard, a Carey or a Bruce. 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Feb-04, 06:58 AM
Who would have thought it Bobs back......in print only at this stage...that's a relief for most I guess...lots of outpourings today in the Wednesday Whinge...which continues to be a valued outlet to express thoughts, opinions and criticism where due in the minds of those who take the trouble to contact John Lingard and pass the fair comment test he invariably applies. Giddy Up. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3171-wednesday-whinge-where-to-now-for-rq-if-labor-wins-govt
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: arthur on 2015-Feb-04, 11:29 AM
Hope you didn't have too much on the LNP at the 'shorts'  :wavecry:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2015-Feb-04, 02:00 PM
Norton is dazed by the to's and fro's of the vote counting.  The earth keeps moving on me.  This am I am actually predicting an LNP win sometime in April after the Ferny Grove  by election.  Will we have QACRIB or BBIBB?  Why can't the Governor rule the State at least until after the Winter Racing Carnival.  Would save people the embarassment of having to lie when asked at the races "whose side are you on, mate".  Would make Her Majesty's man useful for a change.  I mean her mob used to run things OK, and troublemakers got their heads chopped off.  Why not now!!!!!

Talking of LGHR and the WW..........

OMG, OMG, OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!  John has done the unthinkable and used the name of A Hall of Famer.   :o  He has a 2000 page telephone book to use for the fake names and he comes up with, wait for it, wait...you would laugh if it wasn't so serious......Bob Bentley.  :wacko:  :wacko:   That trumps every other he has come up with....Perce, Bertie, Lance, Wally, even Ivan, Ralph and Augustine have been used, but Bob Bentley takes the cake John.  How the hell will we ever know now if the REAL Bob Bentley ever writes to LGHR.  It sure has been a long week for every one.  Bob Bentley, for gawd sake.  Where is the due respect, the credibility, the commonsense?  I am stunned.

Anyway, lets go with it.  This er, cough, "Bob Bentley" bloke (could even be a girl, for all we know) correspondent is a Nathan Excelby nark.  Umph, he brings up all sorts of ancient stuff about what a fine state the old Bentley regime left the game in and, from the tone of the missive, I reckon he l wishes his namesake, the real Bob Bentley was still running the show.  C'mon Robert, mate, how about something more original to taunt those nervous about the LNP losing power.  Woeful effort.   emthdown

Jim Nixon of Ipswich is another Nathan Nark.  I reckon Jim and Bob carved up the Nathan chores over a latte at the North Lakes mall coffee shop on Monday before they all went across to the Mango Hill pub for a few frothy ones when it looked like the ALP had won the election.  Between them they reckon the game's crook, the Deagon mafia have stuffed everything and Nathan could not pin a tail on a donkey without the blindfold.  You'll be right Nathan.  They'l shoot Porkys Ghost first.  Maybe walk behind PG for a few days until this election stuff blows over.      emthup     


A PROMINENT RACING OFFICIAL from a near Brisbane club hmmmm.  That'l be those troublemakers from Beaudesert I reckon.   :yes:  Anyway the bloke is a rabid Nathanite, but gee he has named names to help out any incoming Government.  He reckons the mail is Neville Stewart and Tony Hanmer are hot to trot in any new Deagon regime.  That is bloody offensive Mr NoName.  We want BBIBB, no bottom shelf options for us.

Albert Williams of Redcliffe is back.  Usual stuff from our Bertie Boy, but does he go on, and on, and on, and on......its like reading one of Phillip Purser's rants.  Ya really need some new material mate.  Hang on, Phillip has been running on re-runs since he got tossed out of Royal Ippy, now Bert is doing re-runs.   Hmmmm bring on the X-Files background music Mr Soundman.  Do aliens normally relate to each other?  :chin:


Blake Anderson of Brisbane gets a run discharging his contempt of Rupert Murdoch and his newspapers.  Not a word about racing though John.  Do you understand the term "off topic" mate.  What is this stuff doing on WW.  When did we go global?   Blake needs to find a wall other than here to discharge on.  :/  Maybe that brick one in Campbell St where the Nathan sits to eat his vegemite sammies.  Start at the top Blakie, not here on LGHR.  :yes:

Billy Cox of Townsville is pretty chuffed the Libs copped some slaughter at the polls.  Reckons its between Pitt or Hinchcliffe for the new racing minister.  Well tell us something no one else thinks mate.  Gunna be sad Billy if the LNP gets back and he gets more Dickson.  Pretty dull missive William to get a run on LGHR.  2 out of 10 pal.   emthdown


Bob Gollschewsky of Cairns   :shutup:  Bob reminisces about the good ole days when Darren Condon carried the torch at the movies and Curtis Pitt changed the batteries.  Not sure what Bobby boy is inferring, but he at least shows how close Cairns is to Brisbane with pic of the launch of the Deagon ALP launch.  Dull missive but more interesting than Billy's earlier. Pics and pictures always brighten anyones dull day.  :sleep:

Next a Prominent Eagle Farm Trainer exposes the mystery and intrigue about the funding delays at his EF base.  He (or maybe she  :chin: ) reckons it is the high rise development planned for the suburb is the problem.   Pero entiendo on that one PEFT, the high rise has nuthin to do with the tunnels!!!  The high rise (already council approved) is a Master Plan item intended to be funded from asset sales  :o  :o  :o  :o ........sorry, don't panic, I was referring to BRC assets...to wit that bloody great chunk of land down Nudgee Road.  Talk about taking a long bow with that rumour PEFT.  Anyway, there is no such thing as an Eagle Farm Trainer is there?  Don't most of those horsey people work over at Doomben these days.

Bill Johnson of Cudgen. That's in NSW did you know?  The places you learn about just by reading the WW eh.  Icing on the cake that  :clap2: .  Anyway, Bill is this weeks Cronulla nark who follows up on the Asbestos spores story broken here weeks ago.  I was so stunned by the news I contacted the Alfred Nobel Institute up near the North Pole to see if this remarkable find would be eligible for some sort of gong.  They told me it had about as much hope as Prince Phillip has of getting a knighthood from Australia.  Just silly, silly nonsense.  Ya see a spore is a living organic thingy having a bit of a sleep.  Asbestos is an inert lifeless piece of thingy.  It can't jump out and grab ya.  Gawd, I hope no one tells Asbestos Billy there is asbestos all around him down at Cudgen, you know all those holiday and farm houses and sheds built before 1980.  They are made out of the stuff.  Funny people some of those doggy folk.  If they think something, it must be true.  Weird, seriously weird  :/

Anthony Burke is todays TTC nark.  Move on, nothing new here.  Geez, talk about holding a grudge.

Merv the Mad Punter, bemoans all his shortie bets on Sat got rolled.  Merv, will you ever learn, following ratings are a certain way to go broke. It just takes a bit of time.  :yes:  Myself, I had a tidy win on Saturn Rock mate.  You had to know what to look for, and ratings were not it.

Finally, Blake Andrews of Melbourne tells us what was already in the paper about the TVN saga.  Then John caps Blake by reprinting what was in the paper.  I don't see the point.

Ah gawd, given the election result won't be known until Easter I am going to use reading the WW as my Lenten Penance.  Worse than wearing the ole sack cloth and ashes.   :sad: Did you know it is Ash Wednesday Wed week?


 
 


  

 



 


  
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2015-Feb-10, 07:56 PM
Pssst.  I had a preview of tomorrows W&W.

Tmba gets a bath
QACRIB gets a golden shower
Organic Chemistry problems are "solved" (get it solved, solvents)
Cobalt is crimped
And Doomben is dammned.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Feb-11, 06:21 AM
Haven't read it all yet still digesting Bob's piece on the "a political " Kevin Dixon. Giddy Up. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3176-wednesday-whinge-bentley-challenges-dixon-claims-he-is-a-political
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Feb-11, 09:33 AM
Struth, I reckon Phillip is ghostwriting this stuff whilst John is on leave.  Maybe stick with my simple summary above...its all there.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Feb-11, 11:53 AM
Why oh why does it feel like Groundhog day just about every Wednesday here on the LGHR thread.   :sad:  I reckon if we traversed back to this time in 2014, the stories would be the bloody same.  I feel like I am being tossed about in a Sita truck.  It's dreadful today, just plain dreadful.  :tears:

That phantom who calls himself Bob Bentley is back.  And I thought we had finally got rid of Brett Wintec , and in comes his cousin  :whistle: .  Bob lifts the lid on a hitherto unknown scandal involving the Seagull and some mob called Delloites.  I thought they were those corn crackers you made Nachos out of  :shrug: .  The Seagull has a soft spot for Nachos ya know.  I reckon Bob is just cornfused    :lol:    Get it, "corn fused"    :lol:     :lol:     :lol:     :lol:    Pretty soggy story Bob.   If it had legs, that Bell bloke, you know the fella who tore the real Bob Bentley into shreds at the White Commission hearing, would have been onto it like my cat Ron catches mice.  Move on, nothing to see here.

Then we have a rant from A prominent figure in the Industry who prefers to remain anonymous – at this stage.  This bloke has strong ties with the ALP racing mob.  Now that is pure  :crap: to start with.  Firstly there is no ALP racing lobby, mob, whatever.  I searched the debate on the changes to the Racing Act once, only to discover not a single ALP member had the first clue about the game, including the Minister of the day.  I reckon the only ties this scribe has with the ALP is a nice set of ALP ties, red ones, he got at mates rates when the Party went down to only 7 seats in the Parliament and they couldn't give them away.  Now they probably want them back, and hence all the phone calls he has been getting.  Hope he didn't get any food stains on them.  Any way this ALP stooge had kindly summarized all the LGHR stinks for the last three years into tidy paragraphs.  Nothing new  emthdown , lets move on.

Wild Oscar from Hendra has a ditty.  :shutup:  Not very original John.  The content seems to be a reverse dive with one and a half tucks and a flop entry attempt to best Phillip's popular (who said it was popular  :whistle: )  What's In A Name segment over at JR.  Sadly the ditty isn't funny.  :(  Stick with the day job John and leave the comedy to Phillip.  emthdown

Barney Timms of Brisbane.     :lol:      :lol:      :lol:   That's it for me.  The last bloke in the entire history of the human race to be named Barney was the squib who partnered Fred Flintstone in his comedy act  emthdown .  And to make it even more incredulous, the LGHR Barney spreads the Goss that Pete Cameron put out in the Sunday Mail  :crap: .  He seems to think that Pete has the inside info on what Ms Palawhatever will do to Racing once she doesn't have to double park beside Lawrence on Fernberg Road.  Barnsy mate you must be a stupid as Mr Rubble if ya think Pete knows what is going on.  That's because Ms Palawhatever doesn't even know where Deagon is.  Pete is guessing, just like the rest of us.  Chill Barney.  Have a chat to Fred.

Bob Purcell of the Gold Coast is also in the know about Ms Palawhatever's intentions, and he narks on about the Seagull, Cronulla, Toowoomba da da da  :sleep: .  See what I mean about Groundhog Day.

Stu Lockwood of Brisbane just can't back a winner at Doomben and is giving the punt away.  His method of using ratings and following market movers can't cope with the well established Doomben bias.  Stu, why not pick pace runners with a bit of form then.  Or maybe you tried that and they get beaten by the swoopers every time you do that.  This punting game is a real puzzle innit.   :yes:  Bit worried about Stu though.  He wants Cobalt crooks named so he can avoid them.  There is so much wrong with that remark I won't even bother to explain.  Toss the sectionals, the ratings and the market movers and get a form guide and watch videos mate.  That is what the bookies do and it works for them.  :yes:

Troy Brown of Ormeau is this week's asbestos expert and allround Cronulla nark  :sleep: .  He sees a cover up conspiracy because there is a fake letter doing the rounds.  Move on mate or call ASIO.  The rest of us, move on please.  Nothing to see here.  I wonder if Bill Murray got this bored in the movie.

Percy Smith of Melbourne groundhogs Buttsy's column from Tuesday.  C'mon John, we all read it the day before.   emthdown

A Prominent Trainer reckons Wade's super snooper team from Deagon are following the wrong people and looking in the wrong places for the Cobalt dopers.  So why don't ya go tell the stewards where to look mate if you know where to find the culprits?  More  :crap: .  Or just get out of the prominent trainers weekly book club gossip sessions, and spend more time with ya horses so you become a winning trainer, not just a prominent one with big ears.   :yes:

John the Fireman does a Phillip impersonation and scribbles a missive that runs to 1074 words over 34 paragraphs !!!!!!!!!!!!!  :sleep:  I reckon LGHR John does this to keep people reading until NEXT Wed.  Take my tip, give this bit a big miss until our Fireman learns to write properly.  Terrible effort.

And that is the long and the long of it.  Hopefully, one day soon Punxsutawney Phil will come out of his hollow and find his shadow, but I am not going to hold my breath.  :x:

    

  
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Post by: vadim on 2015-Feb-11, 10:52 PM

That phantom who calls himself Bob Bentley is back.  And I thought we had finally got rid of Brett Wintec , and in comes his cousin  :whistle: .  Bob lifts the lid on a hitherto unknown scandal involving the Seagull and some mob called Delloites.  I thought they were those corn crackers you made Nachos out of  :shrug: .  The Seagull has a soft spot for Nachos ya know.  I reckon Bob is just cornfused     :lol:     Get it, "corn fused"     :lol:       :lol:       :lol:       :lol:     Pretty soggy story Bob.   If it had legs, that Bell bloke, you know the fella who tore the real Bob Bentley into shreds at the White Commission hearing, would have been onto it like my cat Ron catches mice.  Move on, nothing to see here.

I just wonder if this is the real Bob Bentley.

If the allegations made are incorrect why hasn't Dixon responded when offered?

Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Feb-12, 07:59 AM
Norton opines the correspondent blowing the whistle on Kevin Dixon isn't the real Bob Bentley..... Norts  made the same assertion when Bob had his say on LGHR last week ...Vadim questions whether Norts is right....whether this is a "fictional character"  :whistle: and if the allegations are true why Dixon hasn't responded. :shrug:

Norts likes poking fun at the LGHR Wednesday Whingers ..... mainly tongue in cheek and with an occasional dash of humour.....possibly not a laughing matter to the targets of his humour .......who possibly have the good sense not to resort to responding in kind......but in this case it appears that his stab in the dark is well astray.

John Lingard is a professional journalist and as publisher of LGHR he wouldn't attribute anything  to a well known person such as Bob Bentley if it didn't come from him .......so no doubt in my mind that this is the real Bob Bentley...so that gets rid of Vadim's first question. :bulb:

The second part of Vadim's question ....whether the allegation  is true.....obviously Bob Bentley believes it to be true.....although Norts made the  point that it wasn't ventilated before the Commission of Inquiry ....may or may not be relevant....as Bob wasn't there to prosecute Dixon.....so that is unresolved.... as is the question why Kevin Dixon hasn't taken the opportunity to refute it...maybe he intends to...in next weeks issue....Stand By for further news on this. Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2015-Feb-12, 08:47 AM
John Lingard is a professional journalist and as publisher of LGHR he wouldn't attribute anything  to a well known person such as Bob Bentley if it didn't come from him .......so no doubt in my mind that this is the real Bob Bentley...so that gets rid of Vadim's first question. :bulb:

as is the question why Kevin Dixon hasn't taken the opportunity to refute it...maybe he intends to...in next weeks issue....Stand By for further news on this. Giddy Up :beer:


My learned friend, let me point out that the owner of the LGHR website is a person who operates a blogsite, and a funny one at that.  Just as an ex-public servant could, or even an ex-used car salesroom manager can.  The quality of writing on LGHR might be better than others due to the owner' professional skill, but there is otherwise no difference.  

Let me further point out that the LGHR website will offer the majority of its content attributed to a) anonymous sources and b) fictitious authors ....Brett Wintec, Wild Oscar and Albert Williams come easily to mind. Indeed, a quick search of the White Pages, Twitter, Facebook etc fails to reveal yesterday's Bob Purcell of the Gold Coast, and similar checks on others produces the same result.  LGHR correspondents can't all be recluses.  So there is no evidence whatever to suggest that the LGHR Bob Bentley is the real Bob.  I note no contention of the LGHR claim made in the real Bob Bentley submission to the White Commission.  Why has this come to light now, on a pithy suburban blogsite.  Why is it not already with the CMC or ASIC?  

Now, and far be it from me to defend Mr Dixon, but why on earth would anyone feel compelled to respond to an allegation made by a spurious identity on a common and, by definition, incredulous blogsite that regurgitates the same material week after week after week, after week.  To do so would offer credulity.  That is for LGHR to earn, not others to hand out.

I rest my case.

  
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Post by: El Dufus on 2015-Feb-12, 11:04 AM
My friend Norton,

You are spot on.

I have often wondered why people who set up a website think that their opinion must now be treated as "mainstream".

The LGHR website has the potential to be a wonderful attribute to racing, but at present it is only a mouthpiece for whingers and complainers, people with a grudge, time wasters and failures. Its main purpose however is to allow John Lingard to express his sometimes vindictive and mainly unsubstantiated opinions under the guise of a person with years of experience in the racing industry - a bit like you and me Norton, but what would we know?

If John Lingard has all the solutions for racing in Queensland, he should put his business plan up on his website for critical review, examine in great detail the responses (of which there will be a multitude of course), review his initial plan based on those responses, and then present his final strategy to RQ.

In addition, if he has all the answers, as a first step he could even nominate himself for the Board of the BRC, and if successful, I'm sure his ideas will get a fair hearing. I know one of those Board Members personally, and he is a most reasonable and thoughtful individual!

I would surmise that RQ do have a business plan which stretches to many many pages, broken up into stages over several years, with a review process at the end of each stage so that amendments can be made as/if circumstances change.

It is how any well managed business is run.

Multi-million dollar enterprises are not run by bitter individuals with a website.

El D


 
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Feb-12, 07:41 PM
Any assertions that this is or isn't  the real Bob will no doubt be settled next week....or in due course. :whistle:

I believe it's the real Bob..for the reasons previously advanced. :thumbsup:

I rest my case. Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Feb-18, 06:03 AM
Crikey.....Bob's back with his bucket full of dirty water doing his best to discredit Kevin Dixon.....and there's  pressure for Mr Dixon to move on voluntarily....it mightn't occur to those seeking the replacement of the RQ board that their public condemnations might have the opposite effect.....the new minister will be thinking what have I got here.....internal turmoil and dissent.......it's likely his attention will be drawn to the report and recommendations of the White COI.....that an independent chairman be appointed to RQ and that there be a separation of administration and control functions  by relocating the Integrity Dept and stewards from RQ control to the government's Racing Office.....that would likely bring some stability if not unity to the three codes. Giddy Up. :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3181-wednesday-whinge-is-the-pressure-mounting-on-kevin-dixon-to-resign-as-rq-chairman
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: arthur on 2015-Feb-18, 10:38 AM
Independent chair would be welcome . .

Provided he is biased towards North Qld  :whistle:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2015-Feb-18, 12:12 PM
Welcome to the Wed Whinge Wrap, a summary post for those that havn't the time to read the thingie over at LGHR.  This week the theme is, shall we say Masterchef.  Personally, Norton is addicted to MasterChef, and I don't watch for the recipies either.  I try to plot the demise of the 5"2" crumb who stuffs up the Moule Meurienne. This Deagon thingie really turns LGHR on more though.  :fry:

Former RQL Chair Bob Bentley, Real Bob,  has obviously got sick of watching the imposter Bob writing to John since the election, and the Real Bob has a hefty sling at those ignorant dills who credit the Seagull with the QTC / BRC merger op, way back when.  I reckon the Real Bob must have got straight A's in history at school, because he has nailed this one.  It's all true.  Onya Real Bob.   emthup   But gee, Real Bob must have kept good notes or has a terrific memory of the facts, though I wonder why he said "I can't remember or recall" about 60 times at the White Commission of inquiry.   :chin:  If Real Bob writes in next week, I reckon he might be on the campaign trail to get back the keys to the Deagon Bunker.  :o , then again, if he was that serious, why would he bother writing to a crappy site like LGHR.  Surely there are better ways of jumping back from the beach to the bunker than via LGHR.  If I were Real Bob, I would stop mucking about like a schoolboy.  Why not  head straight to Deagon and ask the hard questions.....just like John Cleese can.  The ending could be the same ya know...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3KBuQHHKx0

Brett Wintec has been caught stalking Kevin Dixon in George St this last week.  :o  He even admits it, quite shamelessly.  Ooowwwwwer Brett, there are laws against that sort of behavior. Brett, in a hitherto unknown habit of being concise, lists the Seagull's main sins in office as a main course, and for desert requests the Seagull to fall on a sharp object.   :p

Albert Williams of Redcliffe goes recipe shopping for new faces, old faces and more come the pending demise of the current Deagon Masterchefs.  He cracks more eggs than Jamie Oliver to make his racing omelette. Stick to the tips for cash John er, Albert and leave the rumor mongering to those in the know mate.  You clearly have no idea of how to cook a decent rumor.   emthdown

Andrew Connor of the Sunny Coast mixes his metaphors a bit better than he can a pancake.  He rushes to the LHGR pathway to offer advice to the new Racing Minister.  And guess what his advice is??????  Don't listen to people rushing to give you advice   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   Flat as your own pancakes Drew.   :clap2:

Doug Anthony of Townsville  recycles Alberts crystal ball platter of who might do what over on the LNP side of things.  Doug, I don't recall ordering seconds mate.  Who cares what the LNP does?  Get on board with the winners.   :yay:

There is a man from Contour, some mob that builds things.  Seems John contacted Contour and invited them to write to the WW.  Brave man is the Contour bloke.  Not making fun of him though.  He seems serious.  :shutup:


Cedric Thomas, a long-time racing follower from Brisbane writes in.  Borderline name that one, but we will accept it. Cedric is this week's Bart nark, and rehashes the Buttsters Tuesday piece of beef platter of an LNP / KAP mix with a Silver Top dressing down.   Best served cold, I suggest.

Desert today is a triple treat of dishlicker sorbet, or is that sorbent?  The dog boys are enough strife without LGHR tossing in some banter.  Gee, that baiting thing is just terrible.  I wonder how the code will survive.  Very sad.

So what did we learn form this week's plate of cold drool and flat beer?  I suggest not a lot.  Where is the Mylanta?  Something keeps repeating.   :whistle:
 


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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Feb-25, 06:50 AM
No messing about today with this weeks' issue of the Wednesday Whinge...exclusively Sunshine State issues .....RQ and the live baiting debacle dominate....some advice for the new racing minister The Hon Bill Byrne MLA not to listen to coat tuggers and urgers and to do the right thing in cleaning up the racing industry. :shutup:

As everyone knows Bill's electorate Rockhampton has suffered severe damage from Cyclone Marcia and his concern for his constituents is no doubt number one on his mind at present ......however I find it very strange that Bill's media announcements have only been off the cuff comments to one or two journos ..Brad Davidson and Nathan Exelby in News Ltd papers.......you would think even though only in office a week or two.....he would have several advisers including one Media person who would have ensured that the minister is shown to be on top of the current turmoil in RQ.....announcing his plans for an independent investigation is one thing ...but the absence of further and better particulars is what needs to be made public.....all we have seen so far was a brief report on TV news that four additional police officers have been appointed to investigate.......and a search of Cabinet media statements on the racing issue came up blank.....not good enough. >:(

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3189-wednesday-whinge-integrity-commissioner-s-report-sums-up-silliness-of-rq
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Feb-25, 07:03 AM
Norton has more pressing commitments this week, so the weekly review is AWOL.

A quick peruse this am of the WW shows the usual crew   :sad:  .....strangely ALL written in the same excellent narrative   emthup  ......don't tell me those names are false and this is one bloke writing the lot  :o  The feminists are outraged.  Why can't we have letters from those brave WRANS from the Boer War, you know, Maud, Edna, Fay, Ida etc.

Anyway, in a week with so much potential for creativity, all we get is Dixon narking and dogs.  :tears:  :tears:  :tears:  Even Buitsy was better this week, and that is saying something.

Back next week. 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Mar-04, 06:44 AM
Lots of criticism and complaining today in this weeks issue of The Wednesday Whinge.......very depressing to read ......the theme is as bad as the mythical  Hanrahan  opined "we'll all be rooned"....all those years ago in the well known poem of the same name......it must be very depressing and disheartening to have a job in an industry where all you get is criticism and no credit.......after reading the contributions the inevitable conclusion is that RQ is on life support.....and the end is near.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3194-wednesday-whinge-rq-provides-answers-on-when-racing-will-resume-at-major-tracks
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Post by: arthur on 2015-Mar-04, 07:36 AM
Don't know that the whole industry is on life support . .

But spoke to my mate in Mackay who reckons that the comments about that club are pretty much spot on
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Post by: bronx on 2015-Mar-04, 08:09 AM
We should have known it was all phucked from the get go when they came out with WE RUN AS ONE.
And they wanted us to believe that crap.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Mar-04, 08:18 AM
Lots of criticism and complaining today in this weeks issue of The Wednesday Whinge.......very depressing to read ......the theme is as bad as the mythical  Hanrahan  opined "we'll all be rooned"....all those years ago in the well known poem of the same name......it must be very depressing and disheartening to have a job in an industry where all you get is criticism and no credit.......after reading the contributions the inevitable conclusion is that RQ is on life support.....and the end is near.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3194-wednesday-whinge-rq-provides-answers-on-when-racing-will-resume-at-major-tracks

It helps to assuage your depression Arsie if you can imagine all those missives are written by just a couple of dysfunctionals under fake names.  The message is the same each week.  Despite you thinking it represents the reality of the industry according to many.....it isn't real.  Metro prizemoney is back to appropriate relativity to the south, with a $100K race most Sats in the off season and booming carnival purses.  Yeah there was slippage in the EF project but we will be getting a track on a par with Flemington, and some new cash positive income streams at the BRC once the master Plan kicks in.  Biggest prizemoney day ever at the 2016 MM on the GC, followed by a major overhaul of the Bundall racing and training surfaces.  And some commercial development in the centre of that course.  Before you know it, Royal Ippy will start developing its Master Plan.  Sunny Coast is going terrific.  Etc, etc etc.

Once that engine room of the racing economy is generating more steam than it needs, the cash can start flowing towards the bush.  
Sometimes ya gotta wonder what LGHR exists for, apart from copying newspaper articles, selling tips and RQ hating.  It can be said there is a place for everyone in this world, but I am not convinced about the hot air brigades.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Mar-04, 08:20 AM
Don't know that the whole industry is on life support . .

But spoke to my mate in Mackay who reckons that the comments about that club are pretty much spot on

Arfur....you misquoted..one of your few mistakes......I opined that it's RQ that's on life support. Giddy Up :thumbsup:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Mar-04, 08:41 AM
Norts there's a message in the WW  each week......failure to listen won't stop the tide...admittedly RQ has made some gains as your good self has asserted...but the criticism not the credit is overwhelming......all the issues point to RQ....the cobalt results that they haven't revealed.....not responding to emails...the greyhound live baiting ..the multiple inquiries and investigations...the future for RQ isn't looking good...I can see the writing on the wall...and I'm not alone. :shrug:


I'll leave you a  thought  or two from "Hanrahan Said" which can be enjoyed in full on the poetry thread.

 While round the church in clothes genteel
 Discoursed the men of mark,
 And each man squatted on his heel,
 And chewed his piece of bark.

"There’ll be bush-fires for sure, me man,
 There will, without a doubt;
 We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
 "Before the year is out."
 
 Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: arthur on 2015-Mar-04, 08:48 AM
I can only blame the earliness . . is there such a word . . and beg forgiveness

But I will opine that poor old MKY is on 'life-support' and that the system is only operating at about 50% efficiency and that the 'patient' is fast fading


I am not greatly reassured by Norton's promise that excess steam from the Great?? South-East will permeate north and and be evenly distributed
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Mar-04, 11:24 AM
On a day when LGHR should be using it's profound investigative skills on the important issues we get last weeks news in review today.  Nothing new and certainly nothing as disturbing as the real issues in our society today.  Only yesterday Norton awoke in paradise up at Clive Palmers Coolum Resort to this, whilst on my pre breakfast jog around the links.  There were ducks, green lawns, lakes etc in abundance..........but where is the dinosaur????????
(http://s28.postimg.org/m97vpmj3d/Wheres_the_lizard.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/m97vpmj3d/)

It was crime scene!!!!!!!  The bloody thing had been burned to the ground.  Tyrannosaurus Rex was a mere shell of himself.  Jeff, as Clive likes to call him was greatly diminished to a simple frame of iron.  The work of an antiClive arsonist during the night, the smarties say.  Clive will have none of that and says it was a hot fuse in the internals but since has Clive said the truth.  LGHR should be all over this with its cover of all things animal.  Shame, John, shame.

Actually the new Jeff is a tidy piece of artwork now, devoid of the rubber and papiermache covering.  I hope Clive keeps it like that.

Now over at LGHR we have a milestone day.  A female correspondent, Lauren Whyte of Ipswich.   :clap2:  OK so it is John with a fake name, but at least the fake is female.  And on National Womens Day too.  Well done.  Don't bother reading it, its all crap.  But it's a start.

Move on folks, nothing to see here.
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Post by: ianb on 2015-Mar-04, 11:26 AM
If racing in Queensland is going so well, how did we end up with such an abysmal meeting as the metropolitan Meeting being held at Ipswich today?

Race 1   6 starters

Race 2   5 starters

Races    3&4 maidens     plenty of  starters with most going nowhere. The 5 unraced horses may have some ability.

Race 5   8 starters          some of whom do seem to  have ability.

Races     6&7                   sufficient starters but their ability is very questionable.

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Post by: Norton on 2015-Mar-04, 11:51 AM
Gee Ian B, where are you on the days they race nine events with emergencies mate.  One swallow don't make a summer mate.
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Post by: ianb on 2015-Mar-04, 05:11 PM
Yes but it is not only the numbers but also the quality I'm complaining about.
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Post by: Deejayeff on 2015-Mar-04, 11:51 PM
Oh dear IanB,

Fast times are generally indicative of the class of a race.

Both maidens ran a tick over 1:10, they broke 57 seconds in the 1000m, and ran a track record of 1:9:08 in the last.

The "quality" was OK
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Post by: Deejayeff on 2015-Mar-04, 11:59 PM
question to Arsenal,

Do you actually believe what is written in the Wednesday Whinge is

(A) authentic and

(b) indicative of what those involved in the racing industry WHO GO TO THE TRACK regularly think.

I honestly thought you have been taking the piss but I am uncertain.

Arsenal, let me know !! :
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Post by: arthur on 2015-Mar-05, 09:06 AM
I am sure that Arsenal will respond . .

But, for my part, I can assure DJF that the 'whinges' from N Qld are authentic (most recent from MKY could only have been written by a local or ex-local and is spot on)

And that they do reflect the opinion of those who attend the track regularly . . or perhaps more correctly . . those who USED to, till they became so 'pissed-off' by unfair decisions by RQ . . or incompetent actions by hopeless local committee reps
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Mar-05, 01:30 PM
To answer DJF...what I know about the WW section of LGHR is it's available to anyone with an opinion on racing to state their case..... within reason........there are limits on publishing comments which  have consequences for the writer and the publisher as laws of defamation apply to bloggers in the same way they do to mainstream media.....I never miss it...although I don't necessarily agree with everything said.....and I'm not interested in every topic that gets a run.
The WW  offers an opportunity to express opinions...whether right or wrong ..I think that's something of value...... I've used it once or twice myself under my own name.
I have known the proprietor John Lingard for many years and  I regard him as an extremely competent journalist with many years experience in and around the racing industry. :thumbsup:

Giddy Up.  :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Mar-11, 08:05 AM
Not as many contributors this week...but the headline story is Pressure Building on Racing Minister to Sack RQ boss.....LGHR has been appointed the post office by an unspecified number of concerned stakeholders , who don't want to be identified for fear of persecution, who have combined in a plea to Racing Minister the Hon. Bill Byrne to sack RQ chairman Kevin Dixon and his lieutenant Greg Hallam and the Greyhound Racing Board  and to clean out the Integrity Dept and appoint some cleanskins to do a better job.......

It appears from the editor's remarks on the aforesaid letter that the names of those attesting to the complaint are on the letter for the minister to see.....which is as it should be if they expect him to consider and act on their requests....any anonymous complaint is unlikely to go much further than the destination reserved for  most complaints the WPB.

Bob Bentley is back again accusing Kevin Dixon of unprofessional conduct or something worse in connection with the Auditor's report on the Contour Consulting finances which were raised in the Racing Inquiry but were dismissed by Counsel assisting according to Bob....but if his allegations against Dixon are true that he supressed the report this ought to be investigated.....maybe ASIC could look into it and while they're about it try and find and reactivate  their file on the investigation they suspended into the redundancy payouts to the four former RQL executives which amounted to something in the order of $1.8M. >:(



http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3197-wednesday-whinge-pressure-building-on-minister-to-sack-kevin-dixon
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-Mar-11, 11:49 AM
Another load of bile, self-written.

 :thumbsd:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Mar-11, 05:09 PM
The WW material is certainly questionable, but it dives to a new low today when it reproduces Phillip Purser's stuff.  That's like Jonah's whale coughing up a furball instead of Jonah.  :sad:

The "open letter" is a remarkable thing.  It seems a drove of industry stakeholders (read John and the regular Toowoomba nark, a drove of two) have written a letter, but don't know how to post it in the mail.  Try Minister for Racing ya nongs, and put a stamp on it.  It is the usual drivel so I can't see the Minister swinging lead based on this sort of piffle.  I mean, how can you have an open letter and not publish the writers.  You can have a copy letter sent to another recipient, even a blind copy, but you cant have an open letter and then censor it.  Silly, silly JL.   :confused1:

Bob Bentley   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:  is back.  Has to be the fake one.  The real Bob would be banging on about "bring back the cushions", not pinging marbles at the Seagull.  C'mon John, pull the other leg.  ;)

Brett Wintec is this week's Kilcoy nark.  The old sourpuss wouldn't race his camels there, despite the good prizemoney.  Nice to see the battlers get some pie though eh Brett. :yes:

Albert Williams (that's John as well) is back to tell us we are rooooned.  Almost time to pack up and leave is how Albert sees the future.  He studied Optimism at Redcliffe TAFE too.  :tears:  Later on John tells us stakeholders in the South think Queensland is toxic.  Listen mate, I am a bit tired of all this pessimism.   I know the Broncos are stuffed and Wayne Bennett has lost his mojo.  We know most of the Brissie boys and girls, or is that Brissie boys that ARE girls, played up shamefully at the Mardi Gras last Sat.  We know we can't win the Sheffield Shield.  But take a good look at yaself mate.  The sun will come up tomorrow.  She'll be right. 8-)

 
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Post by: vadim on 2015-Mar-11, 05:17 PM

Bob Bentley     :lol:       :lol:       :lol:    is back.  Has to be the fake one.  The real Bob would be banging on about "bring back the cushions", not pinging marbles at the Seagull.  C'mon John, pull the other leg.  ;)


You wouldn't want a wager on the side would you Norton/DD?

You clearly have this wrong.

I'm sure Dixon will be right on to this and will put it to the test immediately.

How could an innocent administrator like him let this be publicly stated and by consequence be defamed without taking action?

I look forward to the imminent court proceedings.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Mar-18, 06:34 AM
One short of the maximum  number this week  from contributors concerned about various racing issues with a plug for the LGHR Late mail service filling the last spot...there’s a cap of ten on contributions which helps to keep the spotlight on the most interesting topics....a difficult job selecting those that make the cut seeing there’s a never ending list of issues which need to be exposed.

Don Spelleken’s contribution on RQ  should strike a cord with followers of all three codes if not the inhabitants of the Deagon bunker which houses RQ.....with the live baiting scandal...the cobalt results not being released and  the  inexcusable neglect of RQ ‘s CEO Darren Condon to respond to  a request for a meeting from Animal Liberation  4 months before the 4Corners expose hit  the TV screen.

The current  $3M inquiry headed by Alan MacSporran SC will be the third Inquiry into Racing since the Daubney /Rafter Commission of Inquiry  established under the watchful eye of the then Racing Minister  The Hon Rob Schwarten ALP aka Hammerhead into  aspects of Thoroughbred racing and the internal dramas of QRL staffing appointments and departures .......this long running and expensive waste of money  was followed by the absorbing Margaret White Inquiry set up by the recently departed  Minister in the former LNP guvment Steve Dickson into the former control body QRL......beamed  by live streaming into our lounge rooms on a daily basis.....despite the efforts of those conducting the inquiries  neither of which have resulted in any constructive action being taken with the recommendations being ignored.

And ASIC hasn’t moved to finalise the referral of the scandalous contrived redundancy payments to the four highly placed executives who trouser ed $1.85M before handing in their notice without waiting to see if their jobs would survive the election of the next election when the LNP ousted the Bligh ALP lot.

On first impressions MacSporran SC seems to me to be overly concerned  with the process to be followed by anyone interested in making a submission ..there’s a form with boxes to be ticked ...and an instruction on how to make a submission ...and some guidance as to privacy protections ....hopefully they’ll stack up and won’t finish up in the shredder like the Heiner Inquiry into the Wilson Youth centre did..... but as yet  no indication as to how learned counsel  hisself intends to investigate the issues referred to him.

A reasonable expectation is that he won’t spend all  his time in his city office shuffling paper or straining his eyes reading emails ...which need to be accompanied by a hard copy WTF .....but will be down at Deagon interrogating the inhabitants .....examining their policies and protocols......with the assistance of an experienced IT person checking the hard drives focusing on the internal emails to see who knew what and what they did about it. Giddy Up :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3201-wednesday-whinge-sky-has-fallen-in-for-stay-at-home-punters
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Mar-18, 09:41 AM
One short of the maximum  number this week  from contributors concerned about various racing issues with a plug for the LGHR Late mail service filling the last spot...there’s a cap of ten on contributions which helps to keep the spotlight on the most interesting topics....a difficult job selecting those that make the cut seeing there’s a never ending list of issues which need to be exposed.

Don Spelleken’s contribution on RQ  should strike a cord with followers of all three codes if not the inhabitants of the Deagon bunker which houses RQ.....with the live baiting scandal...the cobalt results not being released and  the  inexcusable neglect of RQ ‘s CEO Darren Condon to respond to  a request for a meeting from Animal Liberation  4 months before the 4Corners expose hit  the TV screen.

The current  $3M inquiry headed by Alan MacSporran SC will be the third Inquiry into Racing since the Daubney /Rafter Commission of Inquiry  established under the watchful eye of the then Racing Minister  The Hon Rob Schwarten ALP aka Hammerhead into  aspects of Thoroughbred racing and the internal dramas of QRL staffing appointments and departures .......this long running and expensive waste of money  was followed by the absorbing Margaret White Inquiry set up by the recently departed  Minister in the former LNP guvment Steve Dickson into the former control body QRL......beamed  by live streaming into our lounge rooms on a daily basis.....despite the efforts of those conducting the inquiries  neither of which have resulted in any constructive action being taken with the recommendations being ignored.

And ASIC hasn’t moved to finalise the referral of the scandalous contrived redundancy payments to the four highly placed executives who trouser ed $1.85M before handing in their notice without waiting to see if their jobs would survive the election of the next election when the LNP ousted the Bligh ALP lot.

On first impressions MacSporran SC seems to me to be overly concerned  with the process to be followed by anyone interested in making a submission ..there’s a form with boxes to be ticked ...and an instruction on how to make a submission ...and some guidance as to privacy protections ....hopefully they’ll stack up and won’t finish up in the shredder like the Heiner Inquiry into the Wilson Youth centre did..... but as yet  no indication as to how learned counsel  hisself intends to investigate the issues referred to him.

A reasonable expectation is that he won’t spend all  his time in his city office shuffling paper or straining his eyes reading emails ...which need to be accompanied by a hard copy WTF .....but will be down at Deagon interrogating the inhabitants .....examining their policies and protocols......with the assistance of an experienced IT person checking the hard drives focusing on the internal emails to see who knew what and what they did about it. Giddy Up :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3201-wednesday-whinge-sky-has-fallen-in-for-stay-at-home-punters

Arsenal you are one of life's optimists.  I would like to be on what you are on.  Sadly we Whinge readers with both feet still on the ground on the ground know better.  For starters Don Spellchecker would not know what day of the week it is.  People like Don conveniently forget that ALQ had buggar all to tell RQ when the eMail fell through the cracks.  If they had something to expose back then, they would have been less nebulous than burying a one liner about baiting in a long list of political wants.   :yes:

Secondly expecting ASIC to finalize White Commission referrals about redundancy payments is like believing Santa Claus thinks you have been a good boy this year.  :whistle:

Finally, expecting Mr MacSporran to dig under the watertable at Deagon for corruption smelling like week old prawns and fish heads (it is already just on sea level, did you know) without police, judicial or Royal Commission powers just isn't possible.  His findings will be limited to telling the Minister that the regulatory systems in place failed to detect systematic criminal activity in the dog code, and he will recommend organisational restructuring and greater empowerment of those charged with keeping it clean.  :shrug:

Back later with the weekly review. 
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-Mar-18, 09:56 AM
I'm waiting to see a headshot put up of those "regular" contributors Brett and Albert.

Then again, I guess they're fearful of retribution from RQL.  You know there's a public stoning conducted at Deagon every Sunday at dawn.  :yes:

Racing's obviously in the shit - favourites getting beaten and a certain jockey going through a dull patch - but send us some money and we'll find you a tip or two.

The ultimate in hypocrisy.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Mar-18, 12:20 PM
0/10 for the WW this week.   emthdown  I fell asleep reading it.

There are a couple of SKY narks....nothing new there.  Even Norton has been bitching to all and sundry about dog races getting in the way of the gallops since SKY began.  It's why the serious punter should be at the racetrack.  No dogs there.     :biggrin:  

Brett Wintec is this weeks RQ and Toowoomba narc.  Brett reckons we need an independent inquiry into the troubles up on the Range.  I'm with you this week Brett mate.  How many electricians does it take to change a light bulb eh?  I reckon they should get Don Burke out of retirement to do it.  He knows what makes grass grow.  I still have the Lillypilly bush Don recommended on the TV show in the 1990's.   Have emptied my grandma's potty on it every morning for over a decade.  It is a tree now.  Who said turfology was hard?  After the inquiry we could hire this independent bloke you want out to the ATC to sort out Randwick, the VRC to fix Flemington, and the JRA to fix those Jap cow paddocks they race on    :dry:  

Donny Spellchecker offers some wise words we should all take note of when he says........ I've been threatened by RQ before for writing a letter to LGHR, and my response was short and swift..   :o  Onya Donny for coming out on this one.  It certainly justifies the LGHR policy of using fake names to prevent fear of retribution for speaking out.    emthup     I am afraid of the boogy man myself and have to sleep with a nite light, so I can empathasise for those with fear of RQ.  I swear that one day down at the Deagon Bait and Tackle Shop over the road from the bunker, we saw this bloke taking it out on a loose lipped licensee (try saying that fast)  that big bad Darren had captured.  Be afraid all, be afraid.  
(http://s10.postimg.org/yl99u6rfp/ogre.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/yl99u6rfp/)

Albert Williams of Redcliffe can't back a winner.  John er Bertie Boy do better form and stop backing favs.  And ya need to go back to school and repeat Marketing 101.  Makes it hard to sell those tips when you tell us you can't find a winner. Doh.  :wacko:

Oh, could everyone please note the following warning.  It is important, but John has put it in the "fine print" at the top of the WW.  The bit no one ever reads.
Our message to those who continually bag us is simple: IF YOU DON’T LIKE WHAT YOU READ, THEN DON’T REVISIT THE WHINGE.  I think it means you can only read the WW once each week if you don't like it.  Dunno how they police that but with all this metadata sharing thingie going on in Canberra, it would not surprise me if John has a "big brother" application on the WW.  So, only ONE visit a week permitted.  No rereading or revisiting.  Got it?   :stop:

That's why this weekly review on RHT is so imperative to read to avoid a "revisit" fault.  Even the LGHR mob who don't like what they write read this.   :bye:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Mar-18, 07:25 PM
I would be very surprised indeed if Don Spelleken isn't a real person ...I knew of Noel Spelleken a trainer driver based in Ipswich in my hey day and I reckon it's a safe bet that Don would be a relation......

Norton writes:_
Finally, expecting Mr MacSporran to dig under the watertable at Deagon for corruption smelling like week old prawns and fish heads (it is already just on sea level, did you know) without police, judicial or Royal Commission powers just isn't possible.  His findings will be limited to telling the Minister that the regulatory systems in place failed to detect systematic criminal activity in the dog code, and he will recommend organisational restructuring and greater empowerment of those charged with keeping it clean. 

Well Norts we already know that and it isn't worth $3M to find out what we and everyone else knows. :bulb:

 
As for MacSporran's SC methodology of review that remains a mystery to all but hisself and trusted assistants ...obviously he'll have access to RQ records and that should be revealing ...especially if anyone apart from my goodself is sceptical about the  explanation given by CEO when woken from his slumber when 4Corners produced the evidence gathered by ALQ......... and as MacSporran SC has  no power to compel persons to testify then it's unlikely anyone at RQ will volunteer to participate or admit to any shortcomings especially ....and it'll be a gigantic waste of money..... $3M having been allocated and three months in which to complete the task......the first question in the terms of reference can only be directed to RQ personnel....be interesting to see the response the reviewer gets.

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Mar-25, 06:30 AM
So many contributors vying for the opportunity to air their grievances opinions and in one case a plaintive plea that  Darren won't be made a scapegoat in the wash up of the Review being undertaken by Alan MacSporran SC that the cap on contributions has been extended beyond what appeared to be the limit of 10.....and some very interesting and well presented thoughts IMO with a couple of attempts at comedy which fell a long way short of raising a laugh.

 http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3205-wednesday-whinge-the-ugly-cobalt-underbelly-of-qld-racing

Giddy Up.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Mar-25, 12:44 PM
Always remember Arsie that it is quality that counts, not quantity.  Huge LGHR fail this week. 


Larry Francis is a follower not a leader.  Larry waited months for the Cobalt conspiracy to be revealed.  He and John are well in the know too.  As soon as we had the list of who was using we could all scratch the darkest of dark underbelly of racing as if it was our own.  It was alleged somewhere that John and the bloke at Just Marburg Trotting were priapritic about the fun they were going to have  :embarrassed: .  Even gearing up for phone taps  :o . Guess what.........one loser in the north left to face the angry mob.  What a flop. Just another flaccid outcome for the boys at LGHR.

Des McCarthy down at the Gold Coast waxes about the Cobalt situation.  What situation Des  :wacko: .  It's not a problem in the Qld gallops.  Since when does one dill make a situation?  Des seems to think it is shameful we havn't got as many crooks in Qld as they have down south.  Go figure.   :rolleyes:

Albert Williams of Redcliffe (giggle) is worried about the fate of Darren Condon.  Whattha!!!!!!!  We wait 2 years hoping Darren would put his foot down a crack somewhere, and now we want to save him.  I am seriously cornfused John.  :/

Barry Bones of Capalaba has written what looks like the ten commandments in assessing dishlickers.  John felt this was thought provoking.  It is.....I thought it was boring.  :sleep:  Tell us something we don't already know Bazza.

Garry Clark of Bundaberg seems like a decent bloke.  The sort of person you see on Racehorsetalk  ;) .  Gazza wants to see the dishlicker game clean itself up and move on  :clap2:  :clap2:  :clap2:.  Don't we all mate.  First step is to not let ya bad bastards back in.  But these people have thick skins don't they.  Forgive and forget is not an option.  Dunno why Gaz writes to LGHR though.  Your mission is wasted using that mob.  emthdown

Gawd, are we there yet?  Damn, not even close.  :tears:

Stanislaus Golschewsky of Brisbane (you have gotta be kidding John  :laugh:). Stan used to play snooker with me at the Polish Club back in the 70's.  He died in 1993.  We had a terrific send off for him. "Stan" is a Dixon hater and warns the Racing Minister people will lose confidence if Seagull is not sacked by the end of this week.  "Stan", Kevin doesn't even speak Polish, so how could he have possibly upset you to make such demands.  Any I would be more worried about losing the Racing Minister, not just his confidence, if Ms Palawhatever doesn't hire a food taster  :fry: for the bloke who won Ferny Grove last election.  That is a real worry mate.  LNP are only one by election from owning the joint again.  :whistle:

Tommy Barker went to the Brisbane Comedy Festival last week and thought he would try to be funny with a parody about some dishlicker meeting on Tue.  Stick to ya daytime job Tom, comedy is a tough gig.  :yes:


Are we there yet?  Nearly.  :thumbsup:

A Prominent Owner in fear of his gonads going into the testiculator grinder at Deagon next time they ....hang on, do owners get licensed?  No.  Do they get registered? Yeah, but what's the implied threat?  Oh, its his trainer who wants his owner to be anonymous.  Er, why?  Anyway, this squib is a sideline sitter who has never written in before.  Thought he would finally have a go.    Turns out he hates everyone in the game.  Why oh why did you wait so long mate?  And your whinge isn't even new, just more of the same old.  I feel so much better now I know how you feel, but you sound like a bit of a loser to me.  Too late to join the vultures flying around Deagon these days, you should have earned your stripes from the beginning.  John, throw this bloke a scrap when the rest of you are sated.

The Deagon Spy (oooh, I love leaks) has some rumours from the deep.  Biggest anticlimax since Bridget Bardot stripped for Playboy at age 70.  Like Bridget,it turns out the rumours were plain and without foundation  :sad: ......John rang up and found out what really happened.  Now this is the bit that gets me.  Why publish the lie then fix it, all in the same breath?  Am I right, or am I right?

Are we there yet?  Almost.  Quick please, I am gunna throw up soon.   :sick:

A Licensee on the Sunny Coast reckons Dead Man Darren should not be racing horses whilst CEO at RQ.  Sound like sour grapes about not getting the Condon fleet in his own stable.  Anyway, John goes in to bat for Darren, so no worries there.  Sharing the love has to be a good thing.  :love:

Stu Wills from the Darling Downs was upset about Gatton being abandoned last week.  John explains.  Move on.  This is like waiting for an enema to work, honestly.  :crap:

Hang on, its finally working.  No need to read further.  Just some guff about Murrihy, SKY, RVL etc etc.  Who cares.  See you all next week.  Anyone got a good book to read, I think I am gunna be a while.


 
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Post by: overdue on 2015-Mar-25, 06:18 PM
 :clap2: gold
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Mar-31, 07:41 PM
Gee I am getting excited waiting for tomorrow's WW.  I reckon the fake Bob Bentley will be back with more pearls about the Seagull.  Albert Williams will bemoan the loss of prizemoney due to meeting abandonments, Brett Wintec will weigh in on the latest EF delays, Erinatius Ostrapov will take a wild and furious crack at RQ over the everlasting dishlicker saga, and betcha something has gone wrong at Toowoomba......probably a mouse plague in the toilets caused by the Frapper and the Seagull. 

Oh for the grand ole days when it was just Boer War veterans and Anons in genital armour bemoaning about the simple things in life.  How will I ever get to sleep tonight.  The anticipation is killing me.........I know, I wlll break the rule and revisit last week's WW.  That should put me to sleep.
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Post by: overdue on 2015-Mar-31, 07:59 PM
  emthup
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Post by: arthur on 2015-Apr-01, 08:21 AM
I see in this week's WW a contribution from a 'Jim Munro' . . This week's RQ nark . . and closet "JR" supporter  :shutup:

 Obviously not a real person . . I mean to say, nobody has named a kid 'Jim' for at least 70 years . .

But spoke a bit of sense, did our Jimmy  :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-01, 08:38 AM
Had to miss the early deadline today due to media commitments ...but better late than never.....thanks Arthur :thumbsup:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3211-wednesday-whinge-cutting-the-dogs-adrift-a-convenient-move


More quality this week than quantity and well worth a look as always.

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-01, 09:18 AM
I see in this week's WW a contribution from a 'Jim Munro' . . This week's RQ nark . . and closet "JR" supporter  :shutup:

 Obviously not a real person . . I mean to say, nobody has named a kid 'Jim' for at least 70 years . .

But spoke a bit of sense, did our Jimmy  :beer:


You are right Arthur.  This would have to be a worst attempt ever to come up with a fake name.  Jim, for gawd sake.  The give away is the surname.  After last weeks Bardot jibe, LGHR has obviously started on a starlet theme with his naming.  What will next week's theme be.....Arsie nic and Old Lace perhaps?  :/
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-01, 01:21 PM
Tellya one thing, the WW is so obsessed with dogs I understand LGHR has to get a pest controller in to spray for fleas.  Then they turn around and complain the dishlickers are too much in the public space when our lone Cobalt crook in the gallops should be taking all the heat....go figure.  Anyway, I digress.  This week's names are boring BTW.

Albert Williams of Redcliffe is self rated as a regular and valued contributor to the Wednesday Whinge.  They call remarks like that as an example of pure narcisim.  Albert is John ya know.  And boy is he angry about Seagull.  Bert reckons they are all hypocrits down at Deagon, and everyone should do the right thing and sack themselves.  Bertie boy, you are dreaming.  It just aint gunna happen.  :nowink:  Mr MacSporran will decide what happens not LGHR.  And then only the Racing Minister will be the hangman.  That's the way he wants all this to run.  Good try though Bertie, just ineffective.  emthdown

Bill Peters of the Gold Coast must be the War Cry's chief political reporter at Parliament House.  Bill offers a less than succinct 12 para editorial on the state of affairs in Ms Palawhatever's government...you know, Lawrence causing pain, new elections, all the front page stuff.  Bill is worried that the new Racing Minister Bill Byrne might get tossed before Seagull cops his marching orders.  I sense some panic here, not just sour grapes about being denied justice.  Bill shares with us his review of the wrongs in racing, you know, the sort of stuff LGHR is famed for, and probably edited from a twenty page submission LGHR have made to the Premier and the Racing Minister in their hope of starting a rout of the Deagon mafia.  Hope it was balanced with some of the good outcomes, or the pollies might see it as just a bunch of whingers sounding off.  That wouldn't happen would it?  :shutup:

And the hot on Bill's heels, Barry Adams of Brisbane coughs up the same flavoured furball about the state of affairs in Qld politics and how important it is to bulldoze the evil Deagon mafia until there is no trace.  Glory be, is there no limit to the anger out there  :mad:  :mad: ?   For heavens sake don't  let anyone know at LGHR what unfolded in Parliament last week.  Surprised they missed it and didn't compose a WW eMail of congratulations to the team at Deagon.  The Premier herself made this little announcement about a new Royal Commission.

Commission of Inquiry, Organised Crime
Hon. A PALASZCZUK (Inala—ALP) (Premier and Minister for the Arts) (9.39 am): During the election campaign we outlined our plan to tackle all organised crime in Queensland, not just crime committed by criminals who ride motorcycles. That is why one of our key election commitments was to establish a commission of inquiry to investigate all organised crime in Queensland. Today I am pleased to announce that former deputy director-general of public prosecutions, Michael Byrne QC, will lead this inquiry. Mr Byrne is a respected legal mind who carries a wealth of experience. As a leading Queensland criminal barrister, he is well qualified to lead the commission that will delve into organised crime and the broader issues that allow it to occur.We said during the election campaign that we would conduct an inquiry and target all organised crime. That is exactly what this government is doing. We are serious about tackling organised crime in Queensland, and that is why the inquiry will have all the powers of a commission of inquiry. It will be able to compel witnesses to give evidence about their involvement in organised crime and reveal their knowledge of organised crime. The commission will also be able to compel people to reveal the names of other organised crime figures known to them and the extent of the involvement in organised crime of those people.
The commission will leave no stone unturned. Drug trafficking, extortion, violence, standover tactics, child sex offences and other forms of organised crime will be all under the spotlight of this far-reaching inquiry. That is because this government has zero tolerance for all organised crime, and we give our full support to law enforcement in dealing with it. The commission of inquiry will report back to the government by October this year. I table the full terms of reference of the commission of inquiry for the benefit of the House.
Tabled paper: Commission of Inquiry Order (No. 1) 2015.


You can read the Tabled Paper here.   http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/documents/tableOffice/TabledPapers/2015/5515T208.pdf

Sounds like she thinks this Michael Byrne bloke is pretty OK.  This is what the LGHR mob and the bloke at Just Marburg Harness will fume about.  You see the Commissioner appointed by the Labor Government to oversee the biggest Royal Commission in Qld since Fitzgerald is no other than Mr Michael Byrne QC, QACRIB Director and Chair of the GCB.  If that was not a vote of confidence in our Deagon boys I don't know what is.  And this after the rag tag meeting Phillip Purser went to last week gave our learned counsel a decent short sheeting, that LGHR now bags on about as if it is the beginning of the end for Mr Byrne, and by association Mr Dixon.    :lol:   :lol:   :lol:  .  Note to LGHR, Bill Peters, Albert Williams, Barry Adams and Phillip Purser............their voodoo doll characters ain't going nowhere anytime soon.  Can you see Racing Minister storming into the Premier's office waving LGHR scripts in his hand saying "Premier, this Deagon mob have to go!!", and the Premier might rightly reply "Go have a cold shower Bill, and strop reading letters from LGHR pronto".  But let me say, there is no truth in the rumour that Mr Dixon will be appointed Governor at the end of the current term.  He IS on the short list, of course, but no decision has been made yet.  :whistle:

Now lets get on and see what our other correspondents have to say this week......the Whinge is a great read this week, so stay with me.

A High Profile licensee writes in fear about the EF delays.  Bit of a dill this bloke because he has no understanding of how the Redev Project runs.  Ya can't do the track until the tunnels are dug ya ponce.  He also reckons  BRC (formerly QTC) Chair Bell should run RQ.  Hmmm interesting that.  Isn't that how the QTC worked before Bob Gibbs short sheeted it.  They reckon the journey of life has one returning to where we began.  Great idea Mr Licensee, hope someone looks into it.   :biggrin:

Murray Dean writes something insignificant about something or other of concern to Excelby narcs.  Move on.  :bleh:

Jim Munroe of Brisbane thinks the bloke from Just Marburg Harness is the ducks nuts.  Dream on Jimbo.  I would worry when the Porkster likes what you write.

Now this is where the nonsense that LGHR really clicks in.  Let me serious for a minute.  A Prominent Country Trainer who lives in fear of RQ is promoting an ATA breakaway / ginger group that has formed in Rocky, presumably encouraged by the local member being the Racing Minister.  They call themselves QTA (hasn't this been tried before?).  Well the good thing about democracy is you can give any cause a go, and I respect any sensible group for it.  But what is with this "fear of naming crap".  If you want to offer public support for a cause, you have to put your head up, otherwise your efforts have no impact.  It is Klu Klux Clan thinking and it will always end in tears.  Shame John, shame.

The rest is reprints of stuff published in the NSW & Vic papers.  Nothing new there.

What will they come up with next week?  The Deagon mafia will still be there.  How many times can you push a theme?

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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-01, 02:05 PM
Very amusing Norts but not very accurate in fact seriously misleading and I quote....."Sounds like she thinks this Michael Byrne bloke is pretty OK.  This is what the LGHR mob and the bloke at Just Marburg Harness will fume about.  You see the Commissioner appointed by the Labor Government to oversee the biggest Royal Commission in Qld since Fitzgerald is no other than Mr Michael Byrne QC, QACRIB Director and Chair of the GCB.  If that was not a vote of confidence in our Deagon boys I don't know what is.  And this after the rag tag meeting Phillip Purser went to last week gave our learned counsel a decent short sheeting, that LGHR now bags on about as if it is the beginning of the end for Mr Byrne, and by association Mr Dixon.    lol   lol   lol  . "


While there are two Michael Byrnes both QC's operating with distinction at the Qld Bar.....however it is not Michael Byrne QC the chair of the greyhound board and a member of the QACRIB appointed to the Inquiry ..but the other Michael Byrne QC a distinguished Crown Prosecutor......I know it is confusing but as you have p[ointed out yourself on occasions we bloggers need to get it right. Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-01, 03:02 PM
Oh dear, I would hate to mislead Phillip and John.  For their sake I hope I am wrong. 

Perhaps you could ring Mr (Dishlicker) Byrne's rooms and confirm for us.  Being wrong can be sooooo embarrassing. There are actually four Michael Byrnes at the Bar.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-01, 07:27 PM
Norts the best practice in cases of mistaken identity is to correct the error.....as soon as possible and admit you got it wrong........an honest mistake which might have been avoided had you undertaken fundamental search of the list of QC's on the Bar Assn website......prior to declaring that the appointment is a vote of confidence in favour of the mob at Deagon. :o

Of the two QC's one is at the private bar...the other is a Crown Prosecutor...the former is well known to me as was his late father both of whom were members on the Council of the former QSSU and have a lifetime involvement in the greyhound racing industry and in the management of the BGC at Albion Park.

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-02, 09:17 AM
Oh dear, have I made a mistake? 

Then again, maybe the Courier Mail last Sat did.   :chin:  Don't always believe what you read in the papers perhaps.

Has anyone bother to check?  :nowink:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-02, 09:27 AM
Obviously you haven't.... bothered to check :bye:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-02, 10:43 AM
I still reckon that IF I am correct it would be a body blow to LGHR and Just Marburg Harness Racing to see one of their targets promoted. 

Anyway, back to the score at the test. Porkster wrote this nonsense and I have been meaning to offer correction.......

mr rundle being a ex-deputy mayor of the city and labor identity it bodes well to follow the wed whinge advice as this group and mr rundle will have the "current" racing ministers ear at any time of the day and night

I thought Mr Rundle was a conservative and may not be as close to the Minister as some think, at least politically.  Didn't Jim run a ticket with National Party's Lee Taylor to kick the ALP out of Council in Rocky?  Hardly a Labor identity.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-02, 06:21 PM
Who said I was wrong?  I reckon I am right until proved otherwise.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-02, 06:23 PM
Porkster, I assume you refer to by remarks about Mr Byrne QC.  Would you like a $50 bet I have got the right bloke?
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-02, 06:53 PM
m.byrne criminal qc and chair of greyhounds{you}...aka jayent patel sucessful solicitor vs m.byrne qc-former public prosecutor{me}?


yeah sure- 50 on preferment for me thanks

Done.  Anyone else?

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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-02, 09:47 PM
I have lost the odd bet Porkster, so you are ahead on form.  I just want Mr (greyhound) Byrne's appointment to a Royal Commissioner, the first item of business in their Government, to be a slap in the face to those over on LGHR and Just Marburg Harness Racing who are calling for his sacking under Labor.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-02, 10:44 PM
(http://s3.postimg.org/4lwz09abj/untitled_michael_byrne_qc.png) (http://postimage.org/)


Pay up Norts......I told you so. ......but you didn't listen   :beer: Giddy Up
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-03, 08:08 AM
Oi, who made Arsie the judge? The only photo I will pay on is who sits on the bench at the Royal Commission.

Do you want to put your money where your mouth is Arsie?  I am paying overs at evens apparently?
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-03, 08:55 AM
There are two published pictures accompanying this appointment...that I have seen ......firstly on the TV news maybe Ch10 which showed young Michael Byrne QC (the greyhound chair) in the distance it would be an older file frame.....hastily dug out to add an image to their story.......and the CM story on Saturday last with the other Michael Byrne QC not only pictured but described as a Crown Prosecutor as being the appointee......it's that picture that I posted yesty.

So one or the other of those media outlets are wrong and the evidence points to the CM being right....but whatever the outcome..... your congratulatory post that this appointment is an endorsement of the QACRIB and a body blow to Phillip and LGHR  is a fantasy........nobody in their right mind would interpret this that way when that august body at Deagon is on life support  and is under investigation for failure to act on the live baiting issue. :rolleyes:

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-03, 09:41 AM
All right then, the odds are evens.  Wanna bet?

Now if I AM right, and Mr (greys) Byrne has received the most highly distinguished commission a Government can appoint, bar Chief Justice and Governor, how can that be seen anything other than a vote of confidence in RQ (Mr Byrne is deputy to Mr Dixon) and the GRC.  That Board might not be as defiled in this Government's mind as some might like to think.  Anyway, Mr MacSporran will sort a bit of that out for us.  The two hundred angry protesters possibly did themselves a disservice by contributing nothing but angst at a seemingly rare opportunity to engage with the authorities.  Their grief is certainly a major issue that RQ must take on board and seek to appease, but hanging mobs rarely achieve their goals if they don't have the rope they need. 

You have to remember that the only people screaming publicly for the demise of the Deagon mafia are a handful of very strange names no one has heard of over at LGHR, and silly Just Marburg Harness Racing who seems to hold a grudge over his media accreditation issues or some other bee sting on his bum.   That that latest use of Marylin Munroe's surname perhaps the best yet at LGHR.  I believe next week John is using biblical names.  We might have Job, Solomon and Magdelaine popping up  :whistle: .
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-03, 10:08 AM
Norts.....I have disclosed the basis of my belief that you are wrong......a case of mistaken identity.....easily made with two barristers having the same names and both QC's....... why you are so keen to accept further bets.......what is it you are relying on......has DMD told you it's the QACRIB one.....surely you wouldn't stoop to fleece poor old battlers like my good self......by accepting bets when you know the result.....after the race is over.....like the late departed jazz singer did at Beaudesert many moons ago......rorting the bookies when the call to the course was delayed.....and they all backed the winner. :o

If you send me a PM with your private email I'll send you the evidence.

I can't be fairer than that.....and you can decide if you want to put up what you have.

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-03, 10:52 AM
Arsie, that is an unfair accusation mate.  Don't be like those dills you support at LGHR and JHRM, and make silly statements based on assumptions.  What I do know is the form of both the candidates we argue about here.  There is a critical clue I am basing my supposition on, that's all.  And so far everyone seems to have missed what I am seeing.  And if I am proven right, I will happily tell you why I give myself a chance. 

My urge to have a wager on it reflects my rancor at being dismissed out of hand.  Apology is accepted if you wish to offer one.  Just don't be blindsided by the dills this thread is all about.  Cred is not their strong point.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-03, 11:32 AM
Is that a double up Porkster?  The bet is now $100?  Please confirm.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-03, 02:36 PM
Will think about it after my day on the punt at Randwick tomorrow.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-03, 03:02 PM
One of you is right the other wrong....the Porkster like my good self is relying on the CM story which stated in unequivocal terms that Michael Byrne QC a former Director of Public Prosecutions (which is a statutory office) with a photo of the aforesaid gentleman has been appointed with the powers of a royal commission to inquire into crime...his appointment sans photo is in the QGG of 2 April and states his commission starts on 1st May......so unless there is evidence to the contrary in the intervening period......how is it to determine who is right and who is wrong...time is of the essence here as Porky wants his wager on Preferment tomorrow. :shrug:

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-03, 04:10 PM
Porkster and myself will have to wait until we see who sits on the Bench of the Commission on May 1, or earlier if authorative confirmation is known.  As far as I am concerned the bet is that Michael Byrne SC, chair of the GCB and a RQ Director, is sufficiently honoured by the Premier to run her first priority decision in Government.  If I am right, that is an enormous slap to LGHR and JMHR.   Mr Byrne presently sits in their cross hairs alongside Mr Dixon.

I am not interested in what the Courier Mail says or thinks. 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-03, 04:27 PM
Porkster and myself will have to wait until we see who sits on the Bench of the Commission on May 1, or earlier if authorative confirmation is known.  As far as I am concerned the bet is that Michael Byrne SC, chair of the GCB and a RQ Director, is sufficiently honoured by the Premier to run her first priority decision in Government.  If I am right, that is an enormous slap to LGHR and JMHR.   Mr Byrne presently sits in their cross hairs alongside Mr Dixon.

I am not interested in what the Courier Mail says or thinks. 

Maybe we the forum should appoint a commission of inquiry ourselves to determine which of the two Michael Byrnes has been entrusted with the task of reporting on Crime.....to this end a respected member of the forum without any involvement in this debate and who has no conflict of interest could be authorised to make full and careful inquiry to determine which of the aforementioned is the one we speak of...I would even go as far as nominating learned friend Lert should he accept the commission on a pro bono basis. :thumbsup:

What say ye Norts and Porky...get it over and done with?

 Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-03, 05:02 PM
Arsenal, why do you want to progress this.  We don't need a referee.  You keep assuming I am wrong.  Porkster is his own person and also thinks I am wrong.  He and I are happy to put our money where our mouths are, you seem not so convinced of you conviction, despite hounding me about what a silly idea it is.  The substance of this seems to come from the fact I proposed that the LGHR and JMHR would not enjoy it if a RQ and GCB Director was lauded with an appointment.  I made that statement on the assumption of what I saw occur in the Parliament, and some form analysis.  I watch Parliament often, especially last week.  It is good entertainment.

Now you come across my bows incredulous a new Government would do that and tell me I am wrong.  I stand my ground and you continue to push I have the whole thing cocked up.  I stand my ground again and you continue to punish me, and Porkster weighs in with his threepence worth.  So what does a bloke do?  I say I reckon I am right.  I have two people who tell me I am not only wrong but that my take is preposterous.  So I say lets put money on it.

Why is this so complicated?  The bet is not is the Courier Mail or Ch10 right or wrong.  If Mr (dog) Byrne ends up Royal Commissioner Porky pays me.  If he is not, I pay Porky.  We don't need a QC to sort this out.  All it takes is to
a) wait for confirmation by the presence of the Commissioner at the Bench;
b) observe for clues the press statements of the Premier or Attorney General as the Commission is established (I doubt if they will be sufficiently discriminative for these purposes)
c) if immediacy is required (gawd knows why) you can ring the offices of either or both and ask.  I choose not to use this option, such is my confidence in what I post here.

Gawd I hope I am right.  I can shove it right up the LGHR and JMHR mob.  Fancy the new Government thinking the Deagon mafia smell like roses, even after the campaign to get rid of them.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-03, 09:59 PM
Here I am trying to help settle differences in a civilised fashion without spilling blood and all I get in return is criticism......and accusatory comments. :bleh:

It matters not which of the QC's have been appointed by Her Majesty's government...both are well qualified...the issue is that Norton immediately declared that this appointment was a vote of confidence in the rulers of the racing industry and a kick up the clacker for LGHR and Phil Purser on his assumption that Michael Byrne QC who sits on that board has been appointed to inquire into crime etc  despite the evidence of a report in the CM which pictured the other Michael Byrne QC not the greyhound one.....which led me to dispute his assertions.....which he continues to ignore.

So without further ado I refer to the following statement to Parliament by the Hon The Premier:-

Organised Crime, Commission of Inquiry
Hon. A PALASZCZUK (Inala—ALP) (Premier and Minister for the Arts) (9.39 am): During the election campaign we outlined our plan to tackle all organised crime in Queensland, not just crime committed by criminals who ride motorcycles. That is why one of our key election commitments was to establish a commission of inquiry to investigate all organised crime in Queensland. Today I am pleased to announce that former deputy director-general of public prosecutions, Michael Byrne QC, will lead this inquiry. Mr Byrne is a respected legal mind who carries a wealth of experience. As a leading Queensland criminal barrister, he is well qualified to lead the commission that will delve into organised crime and the broader issues that allow it to occur.


We said during the election campaign that we would conduct an inquiry and target all organised crime. That is exactly what this government is doing. We are serious about tackling organised crime in Queensland, and that is why the inquiry will have all the powers of a commission of inquiry. It will be able to compel witnesses to give evidence about their involvement in organised crime and reveal their knowledge of organised crime. The commission will also be able to compel people to reveal the names of other organised crime figures known to them and the extent of the involvement in organised crime of those people.
The commission will leave no stone unturned. Drug trafficking, extortion, violence, standover tactics, child sex offences and other forms of organised crime will be all under the spotlight of this far-reaching inquiry. That is because this government has zero tolerance for all organised crime, and we give our full support to law enforcement in dealing with it. The commission of inquiry will report back to the government by October this year. I table the full terms of reference of the commission of inquiry for the benefit of the House.
Tabled paper: Commission of Inquiry Order (No. 1) 2015 [208].
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Post by: monologue on 2015-Apr-04, 10:01 AM
Poor old Nortons' probably sitting on a plane heading South not knowing the races are off.

Hope he can take in a movie so at least he hasn't completely wasted his time down south.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-04, 10:19 AM
Poor old Nortons' probably sitting on a plane heading South not knowing the races are off.

Hope he can take in a movie so at least he hasn't completely wasted his time down south.
It mightn't be a complete loss.....assuming he has accommodation arranged and a leave pass which extends to Monday......otherwise he could wander the streets hoping to see a friendly face and find a spare bed.....there could be room at the YMCA.....or failing that give Fred Nile a call ...big shame for the Easter Show too I expect it's still on. Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-04, 05:15 PM
Fear not. Had a great day out. cang wait for MMonday now
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-08, 06:55 AM
Hear we are again......hear the chuckles and the snorts of disapproval.....with the opening item ..postcard from the Maldives

No fisticuffs and  little fury this week.....even Norts will find it more difficult than usual to poke fun at the commentators and/or their comments. :rolleyes:


http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3218-wednesday-whinge-a-postcard-from-the-maldives

I tried desperately to stop Big Steve from resigning as a Board member – even offered to buy him his very own pie shop – but he was determined to leave.  :lol:

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-08, 01:41 PM
And so it finally comes down to parody.  A Postcard from the Maldives.  A means of expressing the malcontent that harbours in the mind and heart of the Narks of NorthLakes in a play of sorts.  Bill Shakespeare would not be amused my dear friends.  For comical parody was his specialty.  One is reminded of Shylock in The Merchant of Venice.  This is the tale of a vengeful man who seeks revenge for deeds committed against him.  One of his clients is a toff named Antonio who enters a loan contract with him.  Negotiations over the loan were difficult but Shylock finally agrees to lend the sum to Antonio without interest upon one condition: if Antonio is unable to repay it at the specified date, Shylock may take a pound of Antonio's flesh.  Shylock spend the rest of the play steadfast to take his pound of flesh, but it all ends in tears.  Alas poor Shylock learns that being a nark is a most unprofitable pursuit. 

It is a pity that LGHR's parody lapses so by comparison, so with apologies to Bill, this is how the LGHR comedy should go....

(http://s3.postimg.org/y4gwdzsof/Merchant_venice_tp.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/y4gwdzsof/)

Darren:
You stand within his danger, do you not?

Kevin:
Ay, so LGHR says.

Darren:
Do you confess the Toowoomba Cushion has been lost and is a lesser hippodrome than promised?

Kevin:
I do.

Darren:
Then must the LGHR be merciful and stop the narking.

LGHR:
On what compulsion must I? tell me that.

Darren:
 The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
 It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
 Upon the place beneath to grow the grass so verdant. It is twice blest:
 It blesseth him that gives and him that takes,
 And may Weetwood day be a success


Ah, such literary perfection.  If only LGHR could match Bill.  If only LGHR could match anything.  As Skakespeare would loathsomely opine........."I don't see why people admire LGHR and Just Marburg Harness Racing so. They are nothing but a bunch of narks strung together as the most commonest of themes. How many times can you say the same thing and then yet say it again?"


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Post by: monologue on 2015-Apr-08, 02:37 PM
A few of us are wondering the same thing Norts. :chin:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-08, 04:22 PM
Ah ha, a true man of the Yarts.  But surely sir you have not joined those on the dark side?
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Post by: monologue on 2015-Apr-08, 06:26 PM
Not sure about the dark side Norton but as they say the grass is always greener on the other side.
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Post by: generator on 2015-Apr-09, 05:12 PM
I have been reading the posts on this thread for some time and it only now I am moved to add my opinion. So for what its worth here goes.
There are 2 topics I wish to address.
The first is the Greyhound issues. I dont get when all and sundry are saying the live baiting is wide spread but not wide known, why do the Greyhound stakeholders say that sacking the board of Racing Queensland is the right course of action.
Perhaps they are negligent in detecting the practices but isnt the Greyhound industry responsible for their own actions.
Its a bit like saying we did and you did not catch us so you are responsible.
Give me a break and accept the responsibility and agree to amend your behaviour. It is not everyone else's fault.
The second issue is LGHR web site
The editor or convenor or owner whatever he is called is obviously deceptively writing all the emails himself and its the same topics over and over  each week.
I have been reading it for about 2 months because of this thread and Norton's amusing critiques but its boring as bat s@&t  now and frankly the guy has some sort of mental block with who he wants to attack.
Again give me a break
So that's it for now and well done Norton.

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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-09, 05:32 PM
Thanks Gen.  I am just glad LGHR puts up such great material to work with.  It can be exhausting when only the names change but the script stays the same though.

It is a pity really because Racing deserves a decent forum for genuine expression of both critical and praiseworthy missives on issues that matter.  Mr Potter's website HorseRacingOnly does a decent job with its regular columnists, but is not feedback / discussion based.  The gap is certainly NOT filled by LGHR where the topics are so predictable....Nathan, Seagull, Toowoomba, losing favs and, occasionally, moi  :love: .

I wonder if LGHR will still be sandblasting away if Kevin is still at Deagon come Christmas. 

We live in hope.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-09, 07:38 PM
Isn't that nice Norts has got hisself a pen pal...one post been online 16 minutes and is an authority on LGHR.....give me a break. Giddy up. :bop:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-09, 08:25 PM
Since when was there a qualifying period?  One good and sensible ally is worth a thousand enemies my dear sir.  I am not alone in my quest to defeat such fools as LGHR and Just Marburg Harness Racing.  

I even have Bill Wordsworths great words to comfort me on those Wednesday mornings: 
(http://s9.postimg.org/3qkgzecaz/Bill.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3qkgzecaz/)

The Solitary Reaper

Behold him, single in the field,
Yon solitary Highland man!
Reaping and singing by himself;
Stop here, or gently pass!
Alone he cuts and binds the grain,
And sings a melancholy strain;
O listen! for the Vale profound
Is overflowing with the sound.

No Nightingale did ever chaunt
More welcome notes to weary bands
Of travellers in some shady haunt,
Among Arabian sands:
A voice so thrilling ne'er was heard
In spring-time from the Cuckoo-bird,
Breaking the silence of the seas
Among the farthest Hebrides.

Will no one tell me what he sings?--
Perhaps the plaintive numbers flow
For old, unhappy, far-off things,
And battles long ago:
Or is it some more humble lay,
Familiar matter of to-day?
Some natural sorrow, loss, or pain,
That has been, and may be again?

Whate'er the theme, the great man sang
As if his song could have no ending;
I saw him singing at his work,
And o'er the sickle bending;--
I listened, motionless and still;
And, as I mounted up the hill,
The music in my heart I bore,
Long after it was heard no more.

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Post by: generator on 2015-Apr-10, 12:03 AM
You seem to have sprung to the defence of LGHR Arsenal. Perhaps you have some association  there or are helping him write the emails he posts. I am just as entitled to post as you are and indeed comment as much as you on everything if I so desire.
I may have only just decided to post but I have been reading your defence of the LGHR web site for months so you . :bleh:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-10, 09:29 AM
And a jolly good morning to you Mr generator.   :noteworthy:  

I'm on the side of the unrepresented...the voices that are raised through LGHR against the tyranny of oppression.....incompetence and deceit.....although I do not necessarily agree with all opinions which make the cut.....and  I have never been offered a job even as a copy boy.

I do not attack your right to post ...not like your mentor Norts..who pokes fun at the anonymous contributors to the well established and highly relevant WW on LGHR.

I deemed it strange that your initial appearance (from the mud flats at Sandgate ....that's just a guess)....after 16 minutes on line was of a congratulatory kind to the critic and dismissive of the service that brought forth your suck up......which I thought worthy of a sarcastic comment...although categorizing you as a pen pal was inaccurate.....a Fan is more apt.....so you are No1 Ticket holder .... :no1:.....and are free to comment on other subjects ....we don't have P plates on here...I look forward to further judicious contributions which I may or may not comment on. :shutup:

And I too occasionally enjoy a chuckle at Norts' SOH...as I've said before a good SOH makes up for many other deficiencies. :thumbsup:

Giddy Up. :beer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=999RqGZatPs
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-10, 12:01 PM
I too have contributed to the Whinge in an early edition.  But since the advent of the LNP changes effected in 2013, the LGHR quickly identified itself as a ginger group and was quickly discarded by most in the industry as a farce.  I firmly believe there are less than five or six real contributors, each with a personal axe to grind.  Two are has-beens from Toowoomba who were as effective as a wet lettuce leaf in their former industry roles and non achievers to boot.  They have only wounds to lick from being dumped and for some bizarre reason feel a need to share their gripes and misery with the world on LGHR.  That is all good, but they hardly represent any credible industry position.  There is an ex Bentley regime employee who sells tips on the side and needs a medium to progress that, along with some lingering motivation to remain in journalism.  Best cure for that is retirement ya know.  And there are a couple of racehorse owners who struggle to move beyond the Gibbs / Bentley era now long past and who struggle with change.  Names just get swapped around every week but the malcontent theme pervades like odour of a decent fart on an airplane at 30,000 feet.  The mere fact that LGHR champions the very fallible website Just Marburg Harness Racing says it all.  That was the source recently of a theory that a horse named Kermadec was not that unlucky in the recent 3YO Guineas Classic at Flemington despite the rider saying it was.  Phillip would have literally choked on his words when Kermadec easily won the Doncaster last Sat.

Only a fool would believe the LGHR weekly reflections are truly representative of what actually is a great industry.

Occasionally a real person capable of independent thought will use LGHR as a conduit for a cause, but that is the exception, not the rule.
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Post by: generator on 2015-Apr-10, 01:55 PM
Well Arsenal that tripe you just dished up unbelievable.
Now I dont say you are part of the scam you cant possibly believe that he is far dinkum ( LGHR).
He must be a mate of yours because only a biased blind buddy would think that he is doing anything except making a forum so he can sell tips. That is all he's about oh and an obvious agenda.
It would not surprise to find out he is being manipulated by the Bentley brigade of which you may well be a part  :yes:

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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-10, 07:29 PM
Sorry my thoughts failed to impress you generator.....I'll do my best to improve......you might try to reciprocate.  :shrug:

The opportunity to subscribe to tips on the LGHR site is as relatively recent development....and one necessary to meet the costs of operating the website......it's not compulsory to read what's written or to subscribe to the tips.....so why not do us both a favour and find something else to complain about...Norton could help if you get stuck.  :bye:

The Wednesday Whinge is known to be  frowned upon by the current powers that be down in the Deagon bunker.......and according to gossip friends of those in favour are advised to steer clear even of reading it...for fear they might be contaminated by the critics constant complaints about issues affecting the racing industry...but Norts is not deterred......he bags LGHR and JR incessantly ...because he thinks they're baggers.....tolerance and peaceful coexistence would be a better objective. :thumbsup:

I solemnly declare I am not and never have been part of the Bentley brigade......although at times I have observed that Bob was not given a fair go by the mainstream media who were constant critics but ignored the fair go principle of giving him some right of reply...as you can see I am a fair and balanced person..even tho I say it myself. :yay:

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: generator on 2015-Apr-10, 10:25 PM
You have got to be kidding Arsenal and you posted that load of bull dung as a joke.   :lol:
Your defence of LGHR is getting worse. You must be part of it or in constant contact with them. You also solemly declare to aren't part of the Bentley brigade ever ever.................. BUT
 The old Chestnut IF you don't like it don't read it. That is also stupid because if you don't read it how do you know if you don't like it.  :what:
Isn't this the LGHR thread. You must be on all the Labor party blogs and forgot where you are. :chin:
 As a racing participant for many years I have seen several administrations of the racing industry called many titles. The Bentley era started around 2001 if memory serves me. He was given a fair go until he became drunk on power instilled on him by your Labor mates. That was the worst period in the history of racing in Queensland. The Labor mob are responsible. :no:
If LGHR had his way he would welcome them back by the way he promotes his agenda. I see you in the same boat.
Spare the excuses your bias is showing.
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Post by: monologue on 2015-Apr-10, 10:53 PM
Politics shouldn't play any part in the administration of racing but history shows it does.

Administrators have to realise the racing participant has to be kept up to date and speed with current situations but the previous mob decides for whatever reason to keep it all in house.
Is it any wonder the innuendo and gossip will eventuate when the racing public are left in the dark.

Journalist are supposed to be impartial in reporting any news events but the sole Qld paper only ever offers up one side of the story and they wonder why the racing public are so sceptical about anything they write.

Let the bloggers have their say and leave it up to the reader of blogging sites to make up their minds as to the authenticity of stories that appear on most blogging sites and forums.

It's quite obvious some of the stories that appear on these sites are fabricated to suit the blogger, but is this any different to what supposedly accredited journos care to write.
The worlds big enough for both sides of an argument and the day a blogger is hounded out of business just because a certain few have a problem with what is written is the day free speech is dead and buried.

We can't all agree on everything so why shouldn't each side be able to have their say without being ridiculed.
I've followed and been a part of this industry for 45 years as an owner and punter but one thing that never ceases to amaze me is the pettiness of many of the participants, especially some that should know better.
Lift your game.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-11, 07:25 AM
Que?  Moi and my mate Gen need to lift? 

See your remarks suggest that LGHR and Just Marburg Harness Racing get it right sometimes.  That is an absolute rareity.  And if readers knew what is actually going on behind those lofty barracades at North Lakes and Ipswich they would understand what vile misrepresentations of the facts they are capable of.  This LGHR thread is THE public service you are seeking.  Here we use glorious Kodakchrome techniques to test the rubbish the bloggers put out (and have a bit of fun doing it too).

Don't worry about Arsie.  He just needs to get out more often and see the world as it really is. 

As for the Generator........seems a noice bloke so far.  That name worries me though.  Get him fully charged up and anything could happen.  Go there at your own risk.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-11, 07:47 AM
In the context of this thread, just look at the quality of the Doomben card today.  Our prizemoney is so good these days we have the southerners coming back to Qld.  Surely a sign the industry ain't on its death bed as the purveyors of doom offer as their daily fare.  Would be nice if the midstream media give credit where it is due. But no they will find some grudge to bear against Toowoomba, or Ippy.  These bloggers you offer respect for are the type of people who would pull over at a car crash to gawk or  take pics on their phones.  Yech.

These stables could have taken their runners to Victoria or their midweeks.
Kris Lees, Gerald Ryan, Anthony Cummings, Tony McEvoy.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-Apr-11, 08:55 AM
The Wednesday Whinge is known to be  frowned upon by the current powers that be down in the Deagon bunker.......and according to gossip friends of those in favour are advised to steer clear even of reading it...for fear they might be contaminated by the critics constant complaints about issues affecting the racing industry...

 :clap2:     :lol:   

So Arsenal really does believe the claptrap that gets written by the narks.

 :nowink:
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Post by: generator on 2015-Apr-11, 09:06 AM
Thanks Norton for the noice bloke thing.
May not be true. Others can judge.
As I said I have not commented previously but I have been reading for some time.
Now my observations have revealed the LGHR blogger gets a set on someone then he just deals in 1/2 truths and outright lies and attacks them personally.
Case in point Condon and Exelby. He started out saying  they were a breath of fresh air. Now they morons and and manipulated.
Its the same pattern over and over. I would not comment on it except Arsenal in particular has an obvious connection and so defends this distorted view as legitimate.
LGHR has every right to say anything he likes and he does. Or more correctly he says anything about who he does not like.
 I have every right to comment on that.
I read it because it started out far more objectively and I got some informing information.
What is really going on is he sells tips and needs hits on his web site to build a customer base.
The easiest thing it to character assassinate. It takes no effort and we all read it. Just like the car crash you so described.
We know its not good but we gotta look.
Just Marburg as you call it is slightly different. His diatribe is difficult to read, but he is far more genuine. Misguided, wrong, biased, yes possibly, but thinks he is doing the right thing.
I don't want to read LGHR any more but it will difficult given I have stated this one upmanship with Arsenal and he will continue to deceitfully defend his suspected friend or business associate.
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Post by: monologue on 2015-Apr-11, 09:18 AM
Norton I thought your skin was thicker than that.

You are like the lap dog that snaps at our  ankles as it walks by and never lets go.

I started this thread many moons ago when the site first kicked off. Never did I say what is written will be authentic or newsworthy I merely stated it could be interesting.

You have this dying wish to see the site and the other one you continually harp on about closed down because it doesn't serve a purpose for you or the industry.
If it contributes to debate amongst readers then it must be opening up peoples thoughts one way or the other..which I believe to be good.

Let's not gloss everything over and say all is good within this industry because it ain't. We'd all like it to be running nicely but us that don't wear the blinkers know otherwise.
Get out and talk with trainers about the current track conditions and they'll tell you they are trying to be patient but the reality is the track ...all tracks debacle has been going on for too long.
Even respected race callers are having a say on this matter of tracks.

Nothing wrong with our prizemoney at the moment but gee it was stagnant for a long time.
Interstate trainers having horses up here and racing could be looked upon in a couple of ways.
They are being readied for our up coming all over the countryside winter carnival is one reason and the other is the competition down south at the moment is a little too hot.

See it is easy to make a reason of possible answers.

Keep on enjoying reading those "blog sites" Norton which you always read and it will keep your mind sharp and focused on whats important in life and that is having fun.

Enuff from moi , there's good money to be had today.   emthup  





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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-12, 10:33 AM
Whoa generator.....we play uinder Marquis of Queensbury rules ...no hitting below the belt ...as your closing comments start with "deceitfully" :o

"I don't want to read LGHR any more but it will difficult given I have stated this one upmanship with Arsenal and he will continue to deceitfully defend his suspected friend or business associate."  

Blue is the only suitable colour for this gross attack. :boxing:

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-14, 10:34 PM
One day early this week due to operational issues...so none should be disappointed. :thumbsup:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3220-wednesday-whinge-punters-balls-in-vice-yet-again


If "youse" give me any more trouble..........from now on you can find the link without any help from me.....you'll be on your own . :bop:

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-15, 10:31 AM
So anyway, I was reading the WW over my coffee this am, looking for strange names, you know, names that just don't seem right.  And then it struck me like a slap in the face with a wet fish......there are no anonymous, name withheld for fear of retribution etc, just Merv, Mick, Max, Mat, Matt, Ken, Jim, Darryl, Glen, Mal and Pat.  Arrrrrrrrrh  They have killed Kenny er Johnny. The only ones I knew were Barry Bones and Albert Williams, who write just like John does.  

I had a horrible thought. This is not real LGHR form.  :o  Is this LGHR?  Is this the real John or has he substituted himself with a fake..........the ultimate deception. The twilight zone....dum, dum, dum dum, dum dum dum dum dum.  :whistle:

So I did the unthinkable.  I reread it.  Do you know what makes this week's WW bottom of the barrel.  Almost every letter from the "contributors" today is simply an intro to an already published newspaper article ...Presnell, Callender, Stewart etc etc.  Reminds of this classic......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prUeTKpF9kg

Still, it had to happen ya know.  You try using every name in the book, reach the Zd's and there is nowhere left to go.  :tears:

So I thought this clip might help the boy.  It gives suggestions on how to find new names.  Just be careful, it gets a bit rude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u2ZsoYWwJA


As for the articles this week, usual stuff with a dig at Toowoomba, grass tracks that won't root (pity about the Kenso eh, must be a common problem with Strathayr), RQ, dog inquiries, and can't back a winner.  Nothing new, move on.  
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-15, 02:15 PM
One of the damning things about blogsits like LGHR and Just Marburg Harness Racing is the limited application of the first rule of Journalism 101.....Check The Facts, all of them.  Mr Murrihy gave a good example of the importance of this today when Robbie Waterhouse fronted an Inquiry into statements he made in his newspaper column.............

Mr Waterhouse was reminded by the Stewards that his position as a licensed person, and in his case that being a licensed bookmaker, requires comments he seeks to make and any conclusions he seeks to draw in his newspaper column, to be centred on a sound factual base rather than mere speculation, suspicion or on racecourse rumour.

This standard is required for all licensees, but why should not any outlet aspire to the principle of reporting truth.  To do otherwise, licensee or not, can surely only do harm to the industry we all enjoy. 

I suggest this should be a must read for both John and Phillip if they are genuinely interested in improving what they attempt to do......

http://nieman.niemanfoundation.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Summer-2012.pdf
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-21, 07:39 AM
Out a day early the Wednesday Whinge has something for everyone.......a real smorgasbord......starts with duck shooting and live baiting .....and demands for a clean out of RQ.....and compliments to Annastacia   for her performance so far in running the State.....but one short of the cap although one contributor was much longer in word count than the rest.....plenty of material for Norts to scoff at.....but one serious inconvenience for owners and trainers when the jump outs had to be cancelled when ...can you believe it ..one of the wheels fell off the barrier.....fortunately on track not on crossing the highway. :o

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3225-wednesday-whinge-dog-baiting-and-duck-shooting

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-21, 06:47 PM
This is a turn up for the books no commentary from Norts.......maybe he's forgotten it's a day early...and we'll hear from him tomorrow....or then again he might have run out of material......a temporary setback.   :lol:

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-21, 08:08 PM
It's Tuesday today innit? 
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-22, 09:38 AM
This has to be the ultimate fake.  We have had Fake industry insiders, fake Bob Bently and now it's the fake Wednesday Whinge on a Tuesday.  And no Wednesday Whinge on Wednesday.  John says it's an Irish thing, but lets not have a word of that folks.  I can spot a fake with sand in my face.
(http://s24.postimg.org/9ocot54yp/Fakes.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/9ocot54yp/)

This fake John is nowhere as good as the real John.  This Tuesday dumbo has just trawled through the old WW's and put the same old themes and just changed the names around.  Wanna know how you can tell if they are fake?  :chin:  No, no not the girl in the kini, I mean the WW silicone version :dry: .

John inserts a sort of watermark each week in the real WW.  One of the fakesters in the real WW (stay with me, I know this can be cornfusing) each week uses the term "King Kev" and occasionally the more derogatory "little King Kev", if John is having a bad day.  The fake Tuesday WW has copied it.  Yup  That bloody Lex Muir of the Gold Coast says "little King Kev".  John only lets his own fakesters use that.  To his credit he mixes it up between fake posters.  Here's proof from previous five real WW in 2015.........

Barry Bones used "King Kevvy"
Albert Williams used "King Kev"
Barry Adams used "little King Kevvy"
Larry Francis used "King Kev"
and even the Deagon Spy who buys Mr Dixon's Tim Tams for him used "King Kev".

I only went back 5 versions because it says in the rules you shouldn't be doing things like revisiting.  Don''t want to get hair on my palms eh.  :sweat:

Should be interesting to see who is assigned the "King Kev" watermark next week, assuming the real WW is back.  I reckon it will be Simon Molotov.   :x:




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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-22, 10:25 AM
Norton had been hoping to see someone on the WW put a line through the myth that our racetracks are being overburdened through the EF closure and the speed bump problems at Royal Ippy and Toowoomba.  Take a look at these numbers an astute form analyst has shared with me.

Firstly the major furphy the uninformed put out that our major tracks are under the pump for wear and tear due to the closure of Eagle Farm.  These data are for the first nine months of the racing season for the last three years.  If you believe the talk spread by some, this will surprise.....

Doomben     Meetings held Aug to April      Races       Horses
2012/13               36                                 289         2807
2013/14               33                                 265         2612
2014/15               31                                 249         2553

Ippy
2012/13               33                                231          2175
2013/14               28                                216          2040
2014/15               32                                253          2415

Caloundra
2012/13               41 (+3 cushion)            312          2842
2013/14               49 (no cushion)             358          3373
2014/15               47                                363          3649

Gold Coast
2012/13               40                               309           2773
2013/14               38                               296           2862
2014/15               35                               278           2692

Toowoomba
2012/13               36                               250           2051
2013/14               18                               126           1215
2014/15               28                               183           1586

The data shows we are NOT overracing the tracks to any significant degree, with the load being transferred evenly.

So don't believe everything you read on LGHR.  Pity they don't do proper research over there.  :bleh:    


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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-22, 10:27 AM
And they said Porkster that you only read this stuff for the pictures.  :whistle:
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Post by: generator on 2015-Apr-22, 04:04 PM
Porky your too hard and not even relevant. Condon cant be partying too hard because he has lost around 15kg in past few months. Remembering you portly frame you could do the same and not even miss it.
 Give the guy a break. He has been given an erroneous task. The 3 codes have 3 boards to direct them but only one CEO.
We all know Bentley merged them under the guise of efficiency savings. How's that looking?
His real agenda was to have the constitution of RQL changed to preclude him form being elected. He pulled the wool over the eyes of the disinterested Labor Govt of the day and now we are paying the price.
I just cant countenance the new govt leaving that system except for perhaps a fear of not wanting to have too much upheaval when they got rid of the incompetent administration that was the old RQL
Its time to divest the Thoroughbred industry of the other codes and Ill bet they ( other codes))would not object.
As for the Mackay bull dust that Butts wrote. Id like to hear the real story from RQ and then judge the fairness.
I suspect there is much more to that story. Butts is a bigger basher of RQ than LGHR if that is possible.
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Post by: whispering on 2015-Apr-22, 09:45 PM
Norton the track manager said that doomben has been over raced on the radio today... but nothing they can do about....


I should start a thread on shit industry brown noses say.
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Post by: Deejayeff on 2015-Apr-22, 09:52 PM
I have been a constant advocate of Doomben and suggested it was under utilized.

However I had a concern when I watched Saturdays races about the state of the track.

While I did not broadcast today's meeting, it was embarrassing to see every horse chart as wide as course as possible.

Today Doomben was a biased track and that disappoints me. :tears:

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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-23, 07:20 AM
Norton the track manager said that doomben has been over raced on the radio today... but nothing they can do about....


I should start a thread on shit industry brown noses say.

Look at the figures Whisper.  Fewer meetings, races and horses in the present season than previous two years.  My point is people on LGHR assume Doomben has been overraced since Eagle Farm closed.  Any bias observed is due to rain not overracing.  Randwick is no different.   

DJF the days of avoiding what we say at Doomben Wed are long gone.  We see it at Caulfield (restored twice in 20 years, but it still occurs), Sandown and even at Moonee Valley and Flemington occasionally.  And any form student of Victorian form will tell you it is normal on all provincial tracks.  I have watched horses win coming down the outside rail at Caulfield, Ballarat, Bendigo and even in the dryer courses at Swan Hill and Echuca.  Just spare a minute to watch the Swan Hill races come the June long weekend and see if any winners come down the rail on the Sunday (Cup day).

In NSW it is just as bad.  Randwick and Rosehill in recent years.  At Hawkesbury just a few weeks back horses on the outside rail were betting blocked for runs, it was so crowded out there.

In Qld, we see no go zones near the inside at Gold Coast and Caloundra after rain.  We say them come to the outside yesterday, and we have seen it happen before and we will see it happen again.  Rain, rain go away should be the battle hymn on the punter.

It happened at Doomben on Wed after rain waterlogged the course in March / April

Doomben     Meetings held Aug to April      Races       Horses
2012/13               36                                 289         2807
2013/14               33                                 265         2612
2014/15               31                                 249         2553
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-23, 09:52 AM
Interesting to wonder/dream that there's the possibility of the We Run As One being disassembled and the three codes left to stand on their own four feet.....which would be rather difficult although not impossible to achieve......that would leave RQ as a shell of its current composition....a major upheaval and another round of redundancies.....from an already depleted kitty and a reallocation of funds held by RQ to the codes....then there's the land and buildings assets held by RQ......and what is the benefit.....will any of them be better at it...personally I doubt it...there has always been dissatisfaction  from stakeholders and internal bickering no matter how the three codes were governed in the past and the only eye currently on the industry is the MacSporran Commission of Inquiry......his limitation is the terms of reference...and previous Inquiries....  Daubney/Rafter and the White COI made recommendations which are gathering dust or have been through the shredder....as nothing has come of them......not that I expect MacSporran to fall into the same hole...things are bound to change at least in the greyhounds.

Giddy Up.  :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-23, 11:35 AM
For the benefit of generator who opines that Darren was given an "erroneous task" as CEO of RQ..... contending that he is only one CEO with three boards directing the three codes.... I expect he meant to say he has an onerous task which means difficult whereas the other word means amongst other things "wrong" which may or may not turn out to be apt.....but to dispel the thought that the CEO is battling away on his own in managing the three codes...this is the management structure of the conglomerate controlling the racing industry:

The Queensland All Codes Racing Industry Board trading as Racing Queensland provides a platform to service the racing industry across the 3 codes of racing.

Racing Queensland's focus is on the provision of governance and services to the industry while empowering clubs to manage and administer their own facilities.

RQ seeks to reduce the administrative burden and associated costs to the industry.

The following key positions exist:

Chief Executive Officer                                                        Darren Condon

Chief Financial Officer                                                         Adam Carter

General Manager - Legal Services and Strategy               Samuel Adams

General Manager - Stewards and Integrity Operations    Wade Birch

General Manager - Racing Operations                               Declan Martschinke

General Manager - Infrastructure and Safety                    TBA

Human Resources Manager                                                Erica Urselmann

Marketing Manager                                                              Doug Cross

Training Manager                                                                 Gabrielle Passlow

Internal Audit Manager                                                        Michael Campbell


Thoroughbred TAB Racing Manager                                 Ross Gove

Thoroughbred non-TAB Racing Manager                         Col Truscott

Harness and Greyhound Racing Manager                         David Aldred

Chief Information Officer                                                    David Rowan

Finance Manager                                                                 Sharon Drew

Senior Business Analyst                                                      Ron Mathofer

Licensing and Registrations Manager                                Ali Wade


Integrity and Stewarding

Chief Steward Thoroughbred                                            Alan Reardon

Deputy Chief Steward Thoroughbred                              Daniel Aurisch

Chief Steward Harness                                                       David Farquharson

Deputy Chief Steward Harness Operations                      Kwan Wolsey

Deputy Chief Steward Harness Racing                             Larry Wilson

Chief Steward Greyhound                                                 James Dart

And these are just the Chiefs  .....the Indians don't get a mention.

Giddy Up. :beer:









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Post by: Hareeba on 2015-Apr-23, 12:45 PM
Does anyone profit on qld races during the year? I only bet ther carnival time. Gave up other races yrs ago. Some of the results just made no sense.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-23, 12:50 PM
Arsie, they reckon the bigger the staff, the bigger the problems.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-23, 12:53 PM
Does anyone profit on qld races during the year? I only bet ther carnival time. Gave up other races yrs ago. Some of the results just made no sense.

Helps if you do form Hareeba, OR if that don't work there is always the option to purchase the right info from LGHR or Just Marburg Harness Racing.  The former is cheaper but not as good.  Arsie can advise on that.

Which state do you recommend for betting?
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-Apr-23, 01:57 PM
Yesterday's race meeting at Doomben was a total afterthought.  

It was scheduled to be held at Ipswich, but that track is off the list of options right now.

I suspect BRC took up the meeting as a gesture to the industry and its participants.  I doubt BRC would have made one dollar out of it.  :no:

Doomben has just had a series of FIVE consecutive Saturday meetings.  Two of these - in late March and early April - were run on wet tracks.

Last Saturday's was run outside a 7-metre rail because of wear from the previous 4 meetings.  Yesterday the rail went out further - but the races were run on ground which had been well utilised on Saturday last.

Everything's fine when we run races on grass tracks WITHOUT RAIN ON THE DAY.  Doomben is not exempt from that position.  :no:

The Carnival will have 4 meetings over 5 weeks at Doomben.  If there's no rain, or no wet tracks, there won't be a problem.  Anything else and there might be a problem.  But that's the reality of the situation without our old workhorse in play.

Tony Gollan - who might have some idea about track conditions - gave his opinion on HRO website:

http://www.horseracingonly.com.au/racing-article.aspx?id=2381

We all have horses that suit Doomben and some who are not so strong there. Some will be advantaged. Some not ... but that is no different to getting a wet or a dry carnival.

It’s no different to going to a carnival when you get a lot of rain and you’ve got dry trackers. It’s not in your favour but the races are still going to be run and won and it’s going to suit certain horses.

It’s never perfect for everyone and its going to be no different this year.

Usually, historically, we see a shift in the form from Doomben to across the road to Eagle Farm.

We not going to have that particular shift this year, but we might see that shift when we go to the Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast and Ipswich when they play their part.
I do think we are lucky. I do think Doomben is racing exceptionally well.

There is kickback at the moment, but I think that kickback is indicative of the meeting we ran there on the heavy 10.

Anywhere you run grass track meetings on very wet tracks you are going to get holes in the track and those holes have got to be filled.

A lot of what we are seeing is just fill coming back. It happens everywhere you race. We are no different to anywhere else in Australia in that regard.

I think the races at the moment are being run tempo related, not track related which I think is fantastic heading into the carnival.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-23, 02:10 PM
Some people have asked me why I bother pointing out the inadequacies of LGHR and Just Marburg Harness Racing.  The honest answer is they are sooooo bad someone has to do it or the world could spin off its axis, such is the bias.  In racing parlance we call it website bias, false reporting rail out too far, and tempo temper related matters all contributing.

Like everyone I see proprietors like John and Phillip as cute little fellas like Snuffy the seal in the video below.  My role is to be the shark.  :whistle:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/HMnMgX7GiOA?rel=0
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-23, 03:46 PM
Porkster why don't you write something to LGHR about all this.  Explain how the former administration and the Mackay community bear no responsibility for racing in their patch of Qld.  As far as I can tell your complaint seems to be RQ didn't throw enough life rafts at you.  Who actually sailed the good ship Ooralea into the iceberg?  Where is the local recovery plan apart from screaming Help?
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-23, 08:33 PM
Don't worry, Terry Butts and LGHR will save you.  That's the spirit :sad:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-24, 11:05 AM
It must be pleasing for him to know he has your back PG.  He actually spruiks a bit of sense....plans, community engagement, event racing, and quality over quantity.

Back to school for you Porkster.  Wonder what the Buttster thinks.

HORSE RACING: Is he Mackay Turf Club's saviour?

It's impossible to know but the club's new chief executive officer Ross Prowd has the knowledge and experience to guide the club out of the tough situation it faces.

"I've been working at Bundaberg Race Club - the situation in Bundaberg that we came into was actually quite similar to the situation in Mackay in many ways," he said.

Prowd said engaging the public and getting more people back to the races was important.

"There will be lots of challenges but challenges that are facing the racing industry as a whole," he said.

"The financial situation that Mackay has found itself in is probably a bit unique."

In April last year the Mercury reported the club was about $300,000 in debt and trading insolvent.

Prowd said many people in the racing industry still lived in the past and refused to change models.

"One of the key things that I plan to do is get the proper business model and proper plans in place to operate Mackay Turf Club as a modern 21st century company," he said.

"It's also very important for the industry that we reconnect with the industry as a whole."

Prowd said getting people to see "what a joy racing is" was a priority.

The new CEO is under no illusions about the challenge of getting people to the races.

"Racing is more than just about the horses, it's about the whole experience," Prowd said.

"How I see marketing of racecourses, is what we want to do is not develop a race meeting but we want to develop at least a dozen events for Mackay each year."

There has been discussion about the club getting more race meetings.

However, Prowd said it could be a "double-edged sword". "I would always love to race as often as possible but I really want race dates that are suitable for us," he said.

"For us to hold more race meetings that essentially don't contribute to the profitability of the organisation certainly isn't a high priority."


Mackay Mercury 24/4/15
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-24, 07:08 PM
Ahem, as I was saying before I was rudely interrupted, this vote of confidence on the Chairman of the GRB and QACRIB Director suggests that the Government has no problem with the Deagon mafia.  A serious body blow for LGHR and Just Marburg Harness Racing, who have been calling for Mr Byrne's immediate demise.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/michael-byrne-right-person-lead-organised-crime-probe-annastacia-palaszczuk-20150424-1msl4y.html
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-24, 08:53 PM
Ahem, as I was saying before I was rudely interrupted, this vote of confidence on the Chairman of the GRB and QACRIB Director suggests that the Government has no problem with the Deagon mafia.  A serious body blow for LGHR and Just Marburg Harness Racing, who have been calling for Mr Byrne's immediate demise.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/michael-byrne-right-person-lead-organised-crime-probe-annastacia-palaszczuk-20150424-1msl4y.html

No more strong drink for you Norts......vote of confidence baloney......it seems you were right about the right Michael Byrne......and the CM got it wrong.....and now the BT reports the aforesaid Michael Byrne QC is chairman of RQ...so unless we've missed it Dixon is out and Byrne is in .....don't suppose you want to bet on that being correct......you can't rely on the mainstream media.....just as well there are alternatives eg: LGHR and JR they get it right. Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-Apr-24, 09:00 PM
But the realities are, Arsenal, that they're talking to no one who cares, or has any say in what goes on in racing administration or control.

Credibility: NIL.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-25, 07:46 AM
Well Arsie, it can't be anything else but confidence.  Mr Byrne told the hanging posse at the Albion Park gathering he had no intention of resigning because he wants to see the Code through this.  Perhaps they were yelling too much to hear that statement.  Now we have the Qld Premier, on her first day in Parliament, first cab off the rank announcing this top shelf bloke is the man to conduct a major Royal Commission. 

Are you saying she just pulled his name out of a hat?.  I reckon Mr Byrne has a closer ear of the Premier and Attorney than John and Phillip aspire to.  As I said earlier, I expect Mr Dixon to get an AO for service to Racing and maybe the next Governor.  :whistle:  Pity our poor friends at LGHR and Just Marburg Harness Racing (get the name right will ya!).  And they think people take notice of them.    :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-25, 08:44 AM
As I've said on many occasions a good SOH makes up for many other deficiencies.   :biggrin:

I've yet to consider fantasizing. :chin:


You'll get no argument from me about choosing Michael Byrne QC.......but it's stretching credibility beyond reasonable bounds to contend his appointment was  intended to appear as a vote of confidence in RQ....your good self is apparently alone in imagining that........Annastacia's comment doesn't support you either.


But Annastacia Palaszczuk says she sees no problem with the appointment.

"They're two separate issues and I think Michael Byrne is an extremely well-respected lawyer and his appointment has been largely welcomed," she said.

"So I have not heard anyone criticise."

 Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-Apr-25, 09:20 AM
If the learned gentleman was a PNG in the eyes of government - as the self-appointed expert bloggers who impress Arsenal are telling us he should be - I doubt he'd have got this gig.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-25, 09:41 AM
If the learned gentleman was a PNG in the eyes of government - as the self-appointed expert bloggers who impress Arsenal are telling us he should be - I doubt he'd have got this gig.
Woops ..Norts isn't alone....an army of two. Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-26, 08:05 AM
Um, not from the mood at the races yesty Arsie.  We had about 200 what they could call "racing participants" in the Owners and Trainers bar and anyone I spoke to saw it no other way then me.  Remember there is only one at LGHR.  You know the rest are fake don't you?
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-26, 09:58 AM
Um, not from the mood at the races yesty Arsie.  We had about 200 what they could call "racing participants" in the Owners and Trainers bar and anyone I spoke to saw it no other way then me.  Remember there is only one at LGHR.  You know the rest are fake don't you?

What was the subject of discussion.....LGHR or your vote of confidence in RQ......and was the breathalyser working. :beer:



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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-26, 10:05 AM
What was the subject of discussion.....LGHR or your vote of confidence in RQ......and was the breathalyser working. :beer:


LOL.  LGHR of course.  No support for dear John amongst the masses I am sad to tell you  emthdown.  The southern boys asked "Who?", and the locals are not fans, be assured.  Too many lies  >:(  >:(  >:( .   I am up for a Pulitzer I am told, but being a modest fellow I won't celebrate until I catch the gong.   :biggrin:  
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-26, 10:11 AM
LOL.  LGHR of course.  No support for dear John amongst the masses I am sad to tell you  emthdown.  The southern boys asked "Who?", and the locals are not fans, be assured.  Too many lies  >:(  >:(  >:( .   I am up for a Pulitzer I am told, but being a modest fellow I won't celebrate until I catch the gong.    :biggrin:   

And $50 from Porky in the mail....it'll be a double celebration ......you're on a roll. Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-29, 08:04 AM
There's something for everyone today.....many comments are about Qld...with some interstate issues thrown in for the benefit of those who tire of the focus on Sunshine State issues....and possibly the most material ever presented .....assuming that  Norts ignores the editorial advice .....IF YOU DON’T LIKE WHAT YOU READ, THEN DON’T REVISIT THE WHINGE.....  is up to the challenge and takes the opportunity to dissect and dismiss the comments and the complainants. :o

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3231-wednesday-whinge-early-anti-climax-as-carnival-heads-to-Toowoomba

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-Apr-29, 02:55 PM
Wont go into too much detail because much of this muck is either untrue or rehashed.  So rather than waste our valued readers attention on worthless drivel I thought we should remind everyone to make sure they get their Influenza vaccination before it is too late.  It is an easy do and you only feel the little needle prick.  More about that in a sec, but first I note that this weeks LGHR fake scribe to draw the "King Kev" marble is Stu Wills.  Stu seems a bit of a sourpuss actually deserves to get the flu.  What a miserable piece on the WRC.  Hope you forego your prick this year and catch the flu come Straddie Day. 

Barry Anderson of Ippy wishes Neville Stewart was back running Royal Clifford Park.  Bazza is all sticks and stones about the Sat date.  If I was delivering the needle prick for the flu to our Baz he wouldn't be getting it in the arm, I can tellya.  Moron.

A prominent licensee has a crack at the BRC (Beaudesert not Brisvegas) over admission prices.  Fair cop I suppose given you could have bought the place ten years ago for the price of admission in 2015.  But why do you need to remain anonymous?  Where does all this fear come from?  Betcha ya too scared to have the flu vax, you would be afraid of the needle prick.

Albert Williams of Redcliffe weighs in with a good reason to sack Kevin Dixon.   Well blow me down with a syringe and needle.  As you know, Albert Williams is not a real person so no flu vax for you.  How do you prick the skin of a phantom with a needle?

Richard Golschewsky of Sydney....whaaaat? What good Polish mother would call her son Dick?  C'mon John, you are yanking our chain now.  Reminds me of Stan Golschewsky from a few weeks back.  Stan actually diei in the 80's and writes to the WW from the grave.  Dick is stretching ya cred even thinner mate.  Guess what, our new Dick can't win punting at the Coast.  Norton had no problems last Sat mate.  Ya just gotta do some form.  No needle prick for you Richard,  see John to get your money back.  I assume LGHR didn't sell tips for the Coast in principle.

Mel Adams writes all the way from Melbourne where the flu season is well under way.  Mel, if he isn't John would have had the painless skin prick by now.  Mel John can't find the stewards report on the new RQ website.  Here is the link ya goose  http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/Thoroughbred/Racing-Calendar/Race-Day-Stewards-Reports  And to think they sell computers to these people and let the bet with real money.  No wonder they lose.

James Smith of Brisbane actually shoots a bullseye when he notes the irony of the Bundy greyhound people calling their feature race the "Bundy Bullett", this coming on the back of the expose of Bundy folk shooting greyhounds.   A free flu vax for you James, trust me you won't even feel the skin prick.

Stan Atherton of Brisbane applauds the Sunday Mail Editor for calling a spade someone's agenda, and demanding the Deagon mafia get tarred and feathered and run out of town forthwith.  Stan, you wouldn't happen to be in cahoots with the SM bloke would you?  Maybe you have a grudge to bear with RQ and your editor mate published something in your favour.  And now your LGHR mate gets a chance to rerun the rubbish?  Nah, surely not.  I withdraw that.  The press is independent and favours no one do they.  Ok you lot at Deagon, on ya bikes.........the Editor of the Sunday Mail recons you are oxygen thieves.  Um, but Stan, think twice about getting the flu shot though, thin skinned people don't like having a needle prick.

Now to be serious for a sec, today LGHR runs one of the most pernicious and misleading pieces about the Control Body and presents it as if it was fact.  The source is the much vaunted Deagon spy who already has a reputation here for bending the truth.  The missive suggests there is a serious breach of trust and confidence between the RQ CEO and his Head of Integrity.  Sound good eh.  But note the evidence on offer.....
"emerging behind the scenes"
"has been kept secret"
"some call a deal struck"
"not everyone is delighted"
"those in the know"
"those close to the action"
"story doing the rounds"
"confidentially told"
"extremely serious questions being asked"
"it is well known within RQ"
"locked away in private discussions"
"some are suggesting"
"not idle gossip"
"stripped of powers"
"I can assure you"
"us at the coalface"
"protect Phil Purser"

For gawd sake, that is the most pathetic compilation of purportedly office gossip you will ever encounter.  Not a single fact, not a hint of validation, just bitter and twisted  :crap: written to hurt people and the wider industry.  All in the game of trying to put dirt on Kevin Dixon.  It is shameful writing and offers nothing to the debate even if you are for or against the RQ mafia.  It is schoolyard stuff.  No needle prick for you John.  This would have to be your lowest effort ever.  One really has to question your purpose.  This makes no sense whatever without being able to be verified.  I doubt if any of the players you lambaste would even bother with a rebuttal.  Would be like giving oxygen to an oxygen thief.

Now back to the lighter side.

Bill Whitehouse fears a return of the LNP.  Take a Valium Bill and let it play out as it will.  In the meantime, don't forget the flu jab.  Just a small skin prick.

Then there are a couple of southern state whinges of no consequence.  So back to the flu vax.  The season runs from May to September and if you are young, a student, ageing or have health issues then go get vaccinated.  Influenza is nothing like a cold.  You get headache, pain, muscle soreness, fevers and sweats and can be stuck in bed for quite a while.  And then there are complications like pneumonia and heart disease.  All preventable by a little skin prick with the needle and few if any side effects.

Which leaves me to ask a bit of trivia.  How many times can one use the word "prick" in an article about the Wednesday Whinge?  Clue, it's the same number as there are contributors.



 


 

 
 



Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: generator on 2015-Apr-30, 07:02 AM
Well said Norton.
That is the greatest load of fictional garbage I think LGHR has ever posted.
He needs to drop the fictional writers and simply put IN MY OPINION.
Even Arsenal can't continue to pretend this load of vitriolic garbage is written by anyone except LGH editor himself.
There is one possibility that needs to be canvassed. That is Arsenal is in cahoots with LGHR and is the author of some of the tripe written.
Norton its worth noting that your other irritant at Just Marburg Racing ( your term) writes in his own name and does not indulge in the deceitful charade, obviously designed to hide the identity of a few twisted souls bitter at being removed from power in the hope they may make a come back. These few are the LGHR arsenal of twisted information ( accept the pun)
I keep promising myself that I will get a flu jab but there are so many pricks in your story I am too sore for another ATM.
At least with your pricks they are disposable not recyclable. Stu, Clem Albert etc
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Apr-30, 03:48 PM
 :bleh:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-Apr-30, 07:50 PM
:bleh:

Now that's disrespectful.

Starting to think generator is Just Joking in drag - metal of course.  :chin:

Generator, have you come across that astute "regular contributor Albert Williams" by any chance?  Seems to be a mirror image of the website editor.  No one's ever seen him on a racetrack.   :lol:
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Post by: generator on 2015-Apr-30, 10:29 PM
No I have not seen him or any of the other dopes he pretends exist. I cant believe he really thinks anyone swallows that dribble. The best one that he keeps reusing is Name Withheld for fear of retribution. What a joke. That must be when he cant find the phone book. The retribution might be not getting  a flu shot.
Perhaps he should just say No Name Fabricated or Written by a frustrated old jurno with no real meaning to life pretending to be  Dorothy Dick. Its so predictable and boring now I might go to another thread because he seems to have run out of ideas. Spose BB can come up with some.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-01, 08:55 AM
"disrespectful' dubbles you think......disrespectful......being accused of authoring material to the WW...which is untrue and you come along stirring  :crap: :excited:

From now on youse can find WW for yourselves....although common sense says  IF YOU DON’T LIKE WHAT YOU READ, THEN DON’T REVISIT THE WHINGE.

Maybe common sense isn't as common as it ought to be.

Giddy Up :bye:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-01, 12:50 PM
I was revisiting the LGHR site today and am truly in awe at how twisted and bitter that John Linguini has become.  He rants about the Toowoomba Turf Club allegedly importing Gai Waterhouse as a celebrity feature at the Wheetwood meeting tomorrow. 

What's the problem John?  Race meetings are event based in 2015.   To put up a racecard only won't get the stay at home punters with wall to wall TV and internet out of their armchairs.  Nor will it get the gamblers away from the clubs and pubs.  Add a celebrity to the event and you will pull people through the gates.  VRC had done this for decades with the Melbourne Cup starting with Jean Shrimpton in 1064, ATC does it for the Championships, BRC does it AND adds bands and concerts, GCTC / MM do it for the Millions.  Warranambool do it in May.  Yet your crazy logic is the Toowoomba Turf Club shouldn't, and you demand answers why Peter Moody wasn't asked and who pays. 

Well, stop asking Linguini.......you are stark raving bonkers.  Since when shouldn't we be promoting race meetings??????????     
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Post by: el zoro on 2015-May-01, 01:51 PM
........or is this the site???????? Now I'm more confused.    :lol:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-May-01, 02:05 PM
Strange how these geniuses who hide behind tip-selling blogsites and who wouldn't dare pay admission to a racetrack believe they have a right to know the answer to every little thing that bothers them.

Heaven help those racing fans who these clowns purport to represent with their "investigations".     :lol:  
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Post by: ianb on 2015-May-01, 03:30 PM
Were Toowoomba going to pay extra for Robbie?

If they were I do have a problem with  their choice of celebrities.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-04, 09:31 AM
Oh dear.  LGHR put up an article on Sunday, the little eager beavers, praising Peter Cameron's wonderful column full of error in the Sunday Mail and using the opportunity to put the boot into the Deagon mafia.

Then, poof like Cinderella's coach, it turned into a pumpkin at midnight and now the article is gone to the dustbin.   Not a vestige of it remains.  Not even a glass slipper on the lawn at North Lakes.

How embarrassing eh.  

Still, it gives them a day or two to construct something just as bitter and twisted.  It's going to be a fun week after all fellas.  Just continue to use your imagination.  
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-04, 10:16 AM
Crikey......removing the evidence from the scene of the crime.....and not a trace remains......can't say I saw it to verify Nort's claim.....but one thing I do know is the RQ media release about Michael Byrne standing down which was posted by dubbles late yesty afternoon is nowhere to be found on the RQ website ...where did dub dub
find it. :whistle:

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-04, 01:59 PM
I got mine from a genuine media outlet.    :biggrin:
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Post by: generator on 2015-May-05, 11:18 PM
Lingard does look bitter and twisted now. What a fool publishing that load of bile about Toowoomba last Saturday and expecting anyone to swallow that garbage. I've said it before. Boring.  :sleep:
Lets get real Mr Lingard. You have lost what small amount of credibility you may have had with that rubbish.
The whole of this weeks WW is just more of his rehashed bitter vindictive vitriol he publishes week in and week out. :rant:
I attended the races at Toowoomba along with some other keen race goers and I can tell you first hand the crowd was there in numbers that I am sure the club would be pleased with.
Was Mr Lingard there. Ill bet not.
 I spoke to Gai Waterhouse briefly as she made her way to the front stage. I said Hi Gai and she said hello how are you enjoying the races. She did not have time for a reply from me but she responded and smiled.
I saw her interact with may others and she was a big hit. I did not see Robbie at all and I don't think he was at Toowoomba on Saturday. I punted and won on the day. Cant ask for much more. Beer was cold and food hot. Plenty of good sorts on hand. Enjoyable day.
Why rubbish the Turf Club. It seemed a very good result and I, along with most of the industry ,was expecting the races to be abandoned on Friday. I made the trip up the range expecting a smallish crowd which was the case until just prior to the Toowoomba Cup and then the place filled up.
I saw the same phenomenon in Roma 3 yeas ago. Seems to be the trend at these out of town venues. Apart from being breathalyzed after leaving the carpark ( passing I add )the trip up and back was uneventful.
I was waiting for the WW to see if any fair commentary would result after the great race day in Toowoomba.
No! only garbage and bitterness. That's it for LGHR for me I will never read it again.   :bleh:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-06, 09:27 AM
"THE joke doing the rounds in the Deagon bunker concerns the suggestion that All Codes chairman Kevin Dixon is apolitical. They say it’s right – neither side of politics want anything to do with him now.".....from the deep throat in the Deagon bunker.  :lol:


And from another newcomer Peter Parsons' Positive Post......a real person or one who took the option of choosing another nom de plume...didn't read like one coming from  Norts....although he is a master of disguise :shrug:

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-06, 02:40 PM
Due to the poor health of Norton today (see Norton Notes), the rebuttal to the garbage on LGHR today will not be available until Thursday.  Come back then, it is going to be a classic.
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Post by: generator on 2015-May-06, 04:23 PM
Arsenal  I think I am right you are J Lingard pretending to be someone else. You need to be more careful because you have given the game away with your latest rant. Incase I am wrong I would say you were on the payroll of LGHR but after that obvious bias JLK may well do what he wants done to all the Deagon Mafia and sack you.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-06, 05:48 PM
Due to the poor health of Norton today (see Norton Notes), the rebuttal to the garbage on LGHR today will not be available until Thursday.  Come back then, it is going to be a classic.

Are you sure you'll be up to it...heard you had a bad experience and aren't looking too good...look forward to your assessment especially Peter Parson's piece. :thumbsup:

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2015-May-07, 12:40 PM
You can just imagine the boys up at the North Lakes coffee shop on a Tuesday for the editorial meeting.  The Toowoomba narcs on the phone and Phillip chipping in his twopence worth.  This week would have been different though.  They had Toowoomba and nothing but to talk about, and how do we deal with the embarrassment of acknowledging the error made on Sunday afternoon when they ran Cameron's lead in the Sunday Mail and had to pull it off the website that night or look pretty stupid.  I suppose they just hope no one saw it.    :lol:     :lol:     :lol:   

If you missed it, here is what happened.  Eminent barrister Michael Byrne had been appointed in early April to lead a Royal Commission into Organised Crime, an ALP election promise to put the new Government's imprint over the Newman Government's VLAD laws.  The Premier had a treasure chest of legal luminaries, retired Judges, OC's etc to draw upon to conduct this primary election promise.  Indeed it was the first action she took on the first day of sitting of the Parliament.  

So who did she offer this high post to?  None other than Michael Byrne, the current Greyhound Control Board Chair and RQ Director (and LGHR besieged).  If that isn't a vote of confidence in the current administration of Racing in Queensland I don't know what is.  Michael Byrne was, in the Government's mind, THE BEST MAN for their highest election promise.  And the Premier is well aware of his role in racing, and the troubles that beset the greyhound code at present.  Her Minister has established a Commission of Inquiry led by Mr MacSporran to sort out the greyhound industry.

Mr Byrne, took the opportunity in April to holiday in France before commencing his Royal Commission role on Monday.  The Premier waited for Mr Byrne to return to Australia last weekend before releasing a statement that recorded her willingness to grant Mr Byrne leave of absence from his racing duties in the interim.  Mr Byrne has NOT resigned, he sought and was granted leave and his return to racing is ALREADY approved.   :clap2:  

Now Peter Cameron got wind of the news that Mr Byrne was absent from recent RQ Board meetings and operations, and also heard the news he was leaving Deagon.  He only had half of the facts, and duely reported in Sunday Mail that Mr Byrne had resigned, and went on to record that as the beginning of the end for the Deagon mafia.  Interestingly, LGHR ran a story on Sunday reporting the Cameron news, reminded us of the wonders of the Sunday Mail editor being in harmony with Pete and John (hmmm interesting that) and began celebrating Mr Byrne's demise and predicting the demise of those about him.

Oopsy do!!  When the accurate version surfaced here and in the media on Sunday evening, LGHR withdrew the post, without a word of apology to readers or Mr Byrne.  Nice work John.  Real professional.  The way they dealt with it was a misbelieving contribution from the high profile racing identity Adam (who?) Purcell of Brisbane accusing RQ of spinning a positive from a negative in correcting the mistake for John and Pete, and knowedgeably predicting Mr Byrne wont be back.  That is pathetic.  Adam, you best let the Premier she is wrong.  

Meanwhile the Deagon Spy is offering false leads galore.  That person has not got a rumour correct yet.  Spyman take note, the cavalry ain't coming to your rescue anytime soon is what my tea leaves tell me.  Suggest you switch your medium from coffee grounds to tea leaves like I do.     :biggrin:  

Stan Wilson from Ippy (Phillip is his middle name) is a Frappell narc and seems irritated by the times run last Sat.  Tells us to ignore the hype dished out by the RQ sycophants and trust him that Tmba remains a basket case.  Pity about the record noms this week.  Nine races all with emergencies this week.  Gee that Frappell bloke must be doing something wrong eh.  Stick to Harness racing Stan.  

But the best comes from another luminary Harry Peterson of Brisbane.  Harry is grand champion TTC narc....would win a ribbon at the show this bitter and twisted fool.  Harry disputes Gai was mobbed.  Seems he followed her around a bit.  Ooooh, that's a bit icky Hal.  Luckyily you weren't the only one mate or she might take out a protection order on you.  What a goose, the crowd never left her alone and the only time she got some peace was in the ticketed spaces for connections.  And even there people were after selfies with her.  Bart tried to interview her but the "mob" were ceaseless.  I had to drag her away and then, wouldn't you know it, bloody Bart wanted a selfie!!!  
(http://s23.postimg.org/6qhqr4wrb/Bart.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6qhqr4wrb/)

This dill Harry really struggles with reality.  Reckons the Weetwood should go back to the Show Day Thursday (that would be a disaster), the crowd wasn't anywhere near half of Nev Stewart's 9000 (wrong mate, I counted everyone of them and you are not even close), and the day was a rank failure (ya kidding me).  What a bloody idiot.

Then, having spent the last two years of WW throwing rocks at the industry, Linguini writes a letter under the name Peter Parsons, and expects us WW loyalists to believe it's real.  Why the heck would you change brand when the finish is believed to be so close John.  You are almost humble in the editorial to Peter's post.  John reckons he can't offer positives because of all these bastards writing in with negative stories all the time.  Can anyone see the oxymoron in that???????  You write most of them them yaself ya dill.  Or did you forget that?  Anyway, John wants to know all about the Barry Taylor thingie.  Funny that, why just not ask Bazza yourself?  He intends to accept the findings of the MacSporran commission too to justify the LGHR's anti Seagull program.   Good luck with that John.  Promise?

Jim Carlton of Greenback snipes at the funding for the dog welfare program.  Draws a pretty long bow I suggest.  And some Boer War vet dislikes Dan Nicolic.

Pretty ordinary this week.  Pity the Tmba meeting was a success.  Always next year I suppose.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-07, 05:42 PM
Fair suck of the sav Norts.....anyone would think you've changed horses in midstream and joined the Labor Forum...... Annastacia's power base and Bill Ludwig's faction ...as everyone knows Bill was one of the previous incumbents of the Deagon bunker who left in a hurry after splashing out $1.85M on redundancies for the four irreplaceable executives who did a runner as soon as they trousered this undeserved payola.........    it wasn't  so long ago you were singing the praises of the ousted LNP..... we can all wake up to reality some later rather than sooner ........glad to see you've seen the light.....but it's delusional to claim the appointment of Michael Byrne QC  to a RC is a vote of confidence in the QACRIB...when their administration of the greyhound industry is under scrutiny and changes are likely otherwise it'll be another $3M down the drain.....while not defending Poleline Pete in fairness he never said Byrne has resigned although readers could be forgiven for thinking that based on the headline but they didn't read that in the body of his story. :o

For all your effort I'll give you 7/10 and that's being generous seeing your recovering from a bruising encounter with the scalpel. :chin:

Giddy Up   :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-13, 08:01 AM
Crikey Peter Bredhauer a former racing writer from the bush almost let the cat outta the bag with his contribution commenting on comments by Poleline Pete in the SM last week that in the bad old days of gangsters allegedly running rorts in Brisbane one member of the press gang was running messages for former SP bookie and Sydney colourful character George Freeman ...naturally the two Petes stopped short of naming the suspect journo....no names or pack drill ...but the finger was firmly pointed in one direction. :o

From memory I think Kevin Perkins went a good bit further in the book The Gambling Man.

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-13, 11:30 AM
In the lyrics of her hit song Unthinkable, Alicia Keys wrote...

"If we do the unthinkable, would it make us look crazy?"

Well LGHR did it, and yes Alicia, it makes them look crazy.  Well, crazier than the normal ratbag, silly buggars LGHR crazy.  This week the Wierd and Wonderful columnists tend more to the literal meaning of crazy, you know, lets get back on those tablets (and I don't mean the blue ones from Pfizer) before we do ourselves some harm.   :sweat:

Yes folks, they have turned to Cameron worship  :sick: .  Albert Williams of Redcliffe is the perpetrator.  He refers to the Sunday Mail rants of Poleline Pete Cameron where the plan to unseat the Deagon Mafia is building energy.  Albert believes in Poleline's crusade without fear or favour.  He describes the tallster as an experienced and respected racing journalist   :lol:   :lol:  who is not afraid to report the facts through positive and constructive criticism   :lol:   :lol:   :lol: .  Bert are we talking the same Pete here?  Palm Meadows Pete who was born with an anti QTC gene?  The Pete who got it wrong only last week about Michael Byrne leaving Deagon.  The last crusade that Pete ran was about the 1800m start at Eagle Farm........and it will still be in use on opening day.  Pete spent a decade on that back in the 90's.   
(http://s13.postimg.org/vqo2co6wj/Cameron_Worship.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/vqo2co6wj/)

Albert got this week's gig to call the Seagull "little King Kev".  Stick to what you are good at John.  Cameron the LGHR man eh.

But wait, there's more.  A second worshipper aroused by one of Poleline's  writings.  Some bloke called Peter Bredhauer of Cambooya (couldn't be the real one, surely...he wouldn't waste his time with LGHR would he?) reckons there is a time capsule safe at Eagle Farm where journos are named as SP operators from the 1980's.   :crap:  We burned that material a long while ago and the journo in question rests peacefully under the Sydney Harbour Bridge.  George Freeman was a good shot in those days.  Suggest Peter that you stick to the blue pills, ya can't go wrong.

And then there is the LGHR Mackay narc, Drew (a) Blank who wants to run the new CEO out of town.  Innit funny how everyone in Mackay is named Drew  :whistle:

Glen Sutton of the Sunny Coast goes in to bat for Darren Condon, and reckons Dazza is getting a raw deal out of all this publicity about the live baiting.  I am with you Glen.  This God parenting gig and linking it to live baiting is just plain silly.  I hear that next week Poleline will have an exclusive that links Santa to paedophilia because he gives gifts to children.  :o  Glen reckons they should start interviewing Kevin Dixon and leave Darren alone.  Doh, just a week too late Glen.  That bloody Fowler bloke went and did that on Monday.  :rant:  Was a good interview too.  Kev calls things the way they are, if only narcs would listen eh.

Besides, Barry Bones of Capalaba reckons live baiting never happened and it is all a beat up.  The numbers just don't fit says Barry.  Very astute our Bazza with the way he sees things.  He once told me he saw Elvis Presley selling used cars up at Calliope, Michael Jackson working the trawlers up at Mooloolabah, and Ivan Milat on day release working in the Chermside Kathmandu shop.  :/

The rest is pretty dry today.  Can't wait to next week  :sleep:

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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-May-14, 02:23 PM
Gee that Albert Williams is a genius.

Wonder where he lives - that's if he DOES live.    :lol:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-14, 02:27 PM
Albert lives at Redcliffe and likes Peter Cameron's work. What more does one need to know?  :stop:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-19, 05:11 PM
POLICE RAID GOLD COAST OFFICES OF OFFSHORE BOOKMAKER BETJACK

POLICE have raided an offshore bookmaker suspected of owing millions of dollars to some of the country's biggest punters and who has links to Melbourne gangland figures Mick Gatto and Tony Mokbel.

NINO BUCCI, PATRICK BARTLEY & NICK McKENZIE report in THE AGE that properties connected to Vanuatu-based bookmaker Betjack were raided on the Gold Coast on May 7, but the company has continued to offer odds at race meetings across Australia.

Queensland detectives swooped on three betting companies, but have laid charges only in relation to one bookmaker, who allegedly defrauded about $450,000 from 19 victims in Queensland, NSW and the Northern Territory.

The raids targeted "boiler room" schemes – companies that exist for only a short period of time before being dismantled and re-established under different names. It is not believed the companies were linked.

Computers and financial records were seized from Betjack, which has been the subject of dozens of complaints from punters across Australia. The company operates a Gold Coast call centre.

It is believed police are investigating whether an associate of  jailed drug lord Mokbel, Jack Doumani, had taken over the business from Ben Joyner, a convicted criminal.

Mokbel, Mr Gatto and John Khoury, his long-time business partner, are believed to have taken over the company and made Mr Doumani manager.

Mr Gatto denied to Fairfax Media that he was involved in Betjack, but said he knew that Mr Doumani operated the business. He would not comment on whether he had spoken to Mr Doumani since the raid.

Mr Gatto was also reportedly investigated over links to Betjack in 2013.

 "Keep me out of it," he said.

In 2008, Mr Doumani was banned from holding a Victorian liquor licence for 15 years over his involvement with the Red Lion Hotel in Kilmore, a venue owned by Mokbel's estranged wife, Carmel.

In 1999, he was co-owner of a $100,000 racehorse, Danislew, originally bought for Mokbel.

Mr Joyner has previously been investigated over boasts he had information about the infamous 2013 All Aged Stakes, the Sydney race that led to a NSW stewards inquiry and a highly publicised spat between trainer Gai Waterhouse and John Singleton, owner of More Joyous.

More Joyous had been the favourite but lost under an injury cloud. It was alleged some punters were informed of this before the race who subsequently won big money backing others to win.

Mr Joyner has also reportedly claimed to have leaked information from jockeys about upcoming races to punters, who went on to win hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Racing authorities across south-east Asia have been deeply concerned about the existence of offshore betting companies, as they do not pay tax and cannot be reprimanded by the host industry.

Professional punters who were lured into gambling with Betjack believe now it was nothing more than a rogue gambling outfit with deep criminal undercurrents.

One punter told Fairfax Media that he was owed $700,000 and knew of another million dollars in gambling debts that Betjack owes.

"They were a frightening outfit. The moment you owed them, there would be a thug that would kick your door in and I'm just talking 24 hours after the money was lost.

"But in my case, I was owed $700,000 and was told: 'If you don't want your head blown off, keep your mouth shut'.

"They revelled in intimidation and were known Australian-wide as a con operation that would cold-call punters to put money into their account and that's the last you would see of it.

"In Sydney, I'm told that a winning punter was threatened with severe injuries if he told the police what was happening inside the Betjack operation."

Fairfax Media reported in September that Racing Victoria had started an investigation into Betjack, which had been accused of fleecing punters across the state.

Racing Victoria chief executive Bernard Saundry said this week that the organisation had received complaints about Betjack that had been referred to the Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation.

The company had refused demands to comply with Racing Victoria's race fields policy, it has been alleged.

"Punters electing to bet with unapproved offshore bookmakers are not only transacting with a business which is undermining the racing industry by paying no race-field fees, but they may risk doing their money cold," Mr Saundry said.

Punters are lured to Betjack through cold-calling and the offer of up to $5000 in free bets – which is illegal in Victoria.

However, winners complained that withdrawing their winnings was slow or sometimes impossible.

It is believed punters at a Melbourne golf club were owed up to $150,000, which they have been trying to recover without success.

Another punter allegedly lodged $50,000 in his Betjack account, which after a winning streak swelled to $250,000. Unable to withdraw the whole amount, he was eventually paid back his original $50,000 and told never to bet with Betjack again.

It is also speculated that companies such as Betjack cannot be charged for not paying the winnings of gamblers because it is thought unlikely those bets were ever placed. For example, a punter who wagers $100 on a 2/1 bet and wins, but cannot get their $200 winnings or $100 original stake from the offshore bookie, is considered to have been defrauded only $100 – not $300.

Detective Superintendent Brian Hay, from the Queensland police fraud and cyber crime group, said the man charged after the raids had allegedly operated the gaming website from January 2008 to April 2012.

John Robert Hanneman, a 54-year-old from the Gold Coast suburb of Southport, is facing fraud charges and will face court in June.

In 2012, it was reported that NSW police suspected that International Sports Online, or other betting websites linked to Mr Hanneman, had netted up to $4 million.

Detective Superintendent Hay said punters were allegedly invited to enter a contract with the websites, which promised them high returns. The victims allegedly transferred money into a bank account, and the company claimed the funds would be used to bet on national and international sporting events.

"After contact from telemarketers, the complainants were then contacted by sales staff who often worked quite aggressively to encourage further investment and suggested they invest in very tight timeframes or risk missing out," Detective Superintendent Hay said.

"Investments were allegedly never made and when victims tried to retrieve money, the accounts were wiped.

"Phone calls were left unanswered and companies disappeared."

Mr Hanneman is reported as having said in 2012 that he had not been operating the websites.

"I'm telling you mate, I've been stitched up big time," he said. "I do marketing for these people. That's as far as I go."

 
From www.letsgohorseracing.com.au
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-19, 05:37 PM
Arsenal, this was in the Age today. Hardly a LGHR scoop.
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Post by: sobig on 2015-May-19, 05:41 PM
Arsenal, this was in the Age today. Hardly a LGHR scoop.

Considering LGHR fully referenced the fact that the article is a copy of the Age no scoop is claimed.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-19, 05:45 PM
Then why post it on this thread?
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-19, 05:46 PM
Considering LGHR fully referenced the fact that the article is a copy of the Age no scoop is claimed.

Thanks sobig   :thumbsup: nil for U  Norts. :thumbsd:
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-19, 06:18 PM
Gee I am excited about tomorrow's WW.  Cameron was zilch on Sunday, and the Sunday Mail seems to have gone strangely quiet.  Maybe Rupert asked the question "what the #^%$ are you blokes doing".

So all we have is fake correspondents like Bob Bentley, Peter Bredhauer, Jim Munroe and a few polish blokes who died in the 80's.  Of course Albert Williams might turn up.  We should start running a sweep to see who uses the Little King Kev slur.  This week I reckon it might be a Balkan resident holidaying on the Sunshine Coast.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-May-19, 08:44 PM
The post has FA to do with LGHR.

Just the best he can come up to fill the gaps while waiting for Albert Williams to emerge from the ether with tomorrow's missive.    :lol:  
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Post by: fours on 2015-May-20, 02:43 AM
Hmmmm,

I would question the 'professionalism' of anyone betting with Betjack or any suxh company that cold calls you for your business.

When they call you they are doing themselves a favour and not you...... very very very basic common sense. A little more wise common sesne would be tring to withdraw the first 1g profit if they had offered free bets, then the next 5g then the next 10g and so on well before getting to $700,000.00 owed...

That figure makes me wonder about the truthfulness of the story too.

Fours
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Post by: generator on 2015-May-20, 08:48 AM
Arsenal posted because he is most likely John Lingard. If not he gets paid by Mr Lingard to do his bidding. I do not read the WW any more but I am waiting for Notons critique of this weeks garbage. They will be all fake emails probably made up by Arsenal.
I can predict the theme as you all can most probably. Sack Kev. Frappers is a dope joined at the hip to Kev. Toowoomba is a basket case. It was better in the old days. We run as one is stupid. Condon is useless. Exelby is just like Bart. Bla bla bla bla.
Every week the same. Its just a ruse to sell tips.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-May-20, 09:36 AM
Another outpouring of bile and bitterness today.

I guess ya would be dirty at the world, watching as professional journalists go about their jobs getting a nice earn.  Others, whose days are long past, languish on blogsites hawking tips at "special Carnival rates".  Obviously the tips are no good, otherwise the authors would back them and retire to the Sunshine Coast.  :bulb:

Must be difficult sleeping at night.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-20, 02:14 PM
Gee whizz, my excitement balloon I left bobbing about the ceiling last night was in the cat litter tray looking more forlorn than a cat's condom by the time the WW hit the digital floor today.  What a woeful performance.  Worse than bitter and bile DD, I'd describe it as a sad expression of unsolvable madness.  They are actually trying to compete for some misguided acclaim for who is the most depressed.

(http://s14.postimg.org/uzgq9rekt/monsterdep_copy_860.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/uzgq9rekt/)

Trying to put a happy spin on todays offering is a bit like pushing back a prolapsed rectum.  I don't know whether to try to fix this or refer Linguini to a mental health professional.  For starters everyone is now using Little King Kev.  No attempt to mask that these sad men are the same person.

Take John O'Brien (he's an Orthodontist over at Clontarf near where John Oxley came ashore in 1859).  We can't show you his face because he is, formally speaking, a dentist, but you can see how upset he is.
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John is gravely concerned that the Australian Racing Conference will turn into a farce fearing the Deagon mafia hijack it to steal all the publicity.  Even highly respected race caller David Fowler, who has nothing to do with Deagon cops a blast from this toothless critic.  Terrible stuff, terrible.

Then Ben Wilson, an old Nth Qld boy (gee, I wonder if he knows one of the Deagon wannabes) now selling Real Estate up on the Sunny Coast goes into bat for Peter Cameron's boss, the much beleaguered Editor of the Sunday Mail.
(http://s7.postimg.org/po5n4z05z/LGHR_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/po5n4z05z/)
Get in the queue Ben, I hear Rupert is about as upset as the Deagon boys about what is going on at the Sunday Mail.  He has a crack at widely respected race caller David Fowler, who allegedly doesn't even read the Sunday Mail.  What is this?  Anti Fowler week?

Stu Wills of Toowoomba (I wonder if Stu is the Wills in the Burke and Wills Hotel up there.  Is there anyone with the surname Burke up there?)   bemoans  that Nathan Excelby wouldn't know a flash TAB outlet if he fell asleep in one of the plush new UBet ones.  Nathan can't blame it if he likes quality.  Anyway, it really upsets Stu.  Stu likes to watch Media watch with his mate Burke and thought he should share what he saw with the rest of us. Wish he hadn't.
(http://s13.postimg.org/5xk7kn1sj/LGHR_3.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5xk7kn1sj/)

And that's it.  The rest is rehashed stuff off other websites.  Pathetic really.

Linguini is obviously out of material, and the new world exposed by MacSporran will be his only hope of staying relevant.  Wouldn't it be awful if Little King Kev is still there in July. 
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Post by: ianb on 2015-May-20, 06:39 PM
So I guess you 2 done think it is time for Mr Dixon to go like I suspect the majority of punters in Queensland do.
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Post by: ratsack on 2015-May-20, 07:03 PM
So I guess you 2 done think it is time for Mr Dixon to go like I suspect the majority of punters in Queensland do.

the majority of punters , anywhere wouldn't know who Mr Dixon is .
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-20, 07:46 PM
So I guess you 2 done think it is time for Mr Dixon to go like I suspect the majority of punters in Queensland do.

Based on what?  What outcomes got missed?

Prizemoney....up
Assets...........returned to clubs
Legal costs.....down
TAB deal........Billions, racing secure for 30 years
Eagle Farm renos....happening (remember that Bentley said stuff em)
Cushions tracks .....goooooone
GCTC.............amazing



Forget about the bloke, no one likes him, but the record ain't bad is it?
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-20, 11:08 PM
Norts while it pains me somewhat to criticize your commentary on the contributors to this week's Wednesday Whinge  I found nothing of substance in your postmortem ....which if your role is a de facto prosecutor endeavouring to get a conviction  ...the judge would direct the jury to acquit and the contributors would walk free ....while you might find yourself relegated to opposing bail applications for greyhound trainers caught live baiting....you need to lift your game old son...and dub dub isn't any  help ....muttering through clenched teeth about bile and bitterness .....and your alter ego generator doesn't read the WW so he says and relies on you..so he's no help ..looks like you're on your own old mate .....maybe you'll do better next week.   :lol:

Giddy Up     :beer:
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Post by: vadim on 2015-May-21, 01:04 AM
Based on what?  What outcomes got missed?

Prizemoney....up

Tick

Assets...........returned to clubs

??

Legal costs.....down

WTF?

TAB deal........Billions, racing secure for 30 years

All in the timing  

Eagle Farm renos....happening (remember that Bentley said stuff em)

Three years after the event - No action until the new announcement expected Straddie Day even with a furlong in-front Minister and live-in Treasurer

Cushions tracks .....goooooone

For racing but a major training tool

GCTC.............amazing

Nothing from the current RQ - all from the previous Government

Forget about the bloke, no one likes him, but the record ain't bad is it?

Were you on your third bottle of red Norton?    :lol:  
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Post by: generator on 2015-May-21, 06:34 AM
Vadim are you applying for a job when your labor mates sack Dixon.
 You really are bitter rejected old soul. You threw your hat in with the wrong team. You watched and I suspect secretly approved of the Hitler like tactics of the old regime, privately hoping they would seek your council It did not happen. So get over it you poor old thing and move on.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-21, 07:54 AM
Whoa.....stop the presses ....has generator let the cat outta the bag.. with his statement Dixon is getting the sack.....is that a fact or wishful thinking.....who is generator anyway ?.... Norton in drag.....dub dub........obviously confused about who others are .....suddenly appearing from who knows where.....wandering in here stirring up trouble or just another old QTC blow in with an axe to grind against the few independent commentators who tell it as they see it. :shrug:

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Stan Still on 2015-May-21, 08:22 AM
It's going to be a sad day when Phil Dill and John the Baptist leave the planet, this forum would be pretty forlorn, but i guess we will still have the ghost to muse about. Going to be even more deplorable when Bouncing Billy Byrne announces the demise of the QACAB or whatever it was, and brings in 3 independent boards of people who know basically nothing about racing but more about running something. This current mob have difficulty running anything.
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Post by: vadim on 2015-May-21, 08:29 AM
Vadim are you applying for a job when your labor mates sack Dixon.
 You really are bitter rejected old soul. You threw your hat in with the wrong team. You watched and I suspect secretly approved of the Hitler like tactics of the old regime, privately hoping they would seek your council It did not happen. So get over it you poor old thing and move on.


Well Generator I thought that little response would get your juices flowing. I am surprised you took over 4 hours to give some of your usual feed-back.

You obviously know who I am as I don't hide behind a nom-de-plume like you. You are probably from the old school, 5' 2'' and suffer from a small man's syndrome. That way you can remain vindictive and supply nothing to the general debate or provide the real facts.

Let's get some facts right - I have never voted Labor in my life.

Old soul - I still work and contribute to society and enjoy life so my family would query that insight. You probably should take a good look at yourself.

As for throwing my hat in with the old regime and secretly hoping for a recall. You can make your assumptions and I would respect them if you would just come out and state who you are - be up front and let all in the Industry make their own minds up as to the accuracy of your assessment of my character.

Now to Norton's post:

The facts from the  AG report would suggest that we have spent more on legal fees than the previous governance not less. Your selective memory has clearly forgotten the inquiry that cost over $3mill. brought specifically to address payments (amongst other things) to Contour. Your memory is clearly deficient as you don't recall that nothing came out of the inquiry so what a waste - entirely contributed to the current leadership. The LNP government wanted it but when the invoice was presented did not pay.

The prize money scenario - my comment suggests that it is more related to the timing and it was. The contract was due and was appropriately handled by the incumbents but who is to say that the outcome could not have been better handled by others. No one will ever know. I personally think the 6% payment to the breeder of a QTIS horse is an extravagance. The breeder has bred and sold the horse under the scheme and I trust has made a dollar. Why should the now Owner give up 6% which could well have been distributed across the prize money network? But you probably don't think of these things as you probably race your horses down south.

The Toowoomba scenario was undoubtedly a failure but I recall that there were a few of the incumbents in favour of the action and that the relationship between the entities wasn't always divisive. Good luck to the TTC - they now have an important training tool and a grass track on the way back.

As for the GCTC under the current governance they finally received the grant to complete the renovations attributed to the Labor government prior to the last LNP government and EF are now only just getting their just entitlement. Even given that all of these grants have to go through the Treasury cycle as alluded to by Norton three years is a disgraceful record. No one will come out within the current brigade and admit it but it is gross mismanagement in my view. That has been agreed at private meetings.

So continue to throw bricks Generator but if you could occasionally be a little bit factual it would help. Again I invite you to come out and provide your own level of achievements and let the forum decide instead of hiding like a snake. Get up off the carpet.


 
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Post by: generator on 2015-May-21, 08:31 AM
I know who I am Arsenal and I also know you are either Mr Purser and Mr Lingard rolled into one. Don't kid yourself about being an independent commentator,because no one that reads this thread or even the whole blog site believes you are intendant or unbiased. You are amusing though. From the point that you think everyone is fooled by you. Just to get this clear. I have been reading this site for quite some time. I am entitled to comment when I see fit You  do and often. So suck it up and get used to it. Giddy Up :clap2:
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Post by: vadim on 2015-May-21, 08:32 AM
It's going to be a sad day when Phil Dill and John the Baptist leave the planet, this forum would be pretty forlorn, but i guess we will still have the ghost to muse about. Going to be even more deplorable when Bouncing Billy Byrne announces the demise of the QACAB or whatever it was, and brings in 3 independent boards of people who know basically nothing about racing but more about running something. This current mob have difficulty running anything.

That's a point Stan - I failed to mention the huge success of the We Run As One campaign headed up by yes the current RQ
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Post by: generator on 2015-May-21, 08:40 AM
Well Vadim. What a reaction Hit a nerve did I. You complain about everything TTC GCTC BRC all wrong. Only you can fix it. You have all the answers. Poor old soul.
 You are bitter and its obvious. Don't talk to me about hiding. You hide behind a facade of self righteous fairness and its bull. Bitter and twisted unfulfilled ambition. You are like the jilted lover. Please take me back I'll change Hahaha. OK you wont now you will be sorry you'll see.
Your time has passed. Get off your soap box
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Post by: vadim on 2015-May-21, 09:18 AM
Well Vadim. What a reaction Hit a nerve did I.  Only you can fix it. You have all the answers. Poor old soul.
 You are bitter and its obvious. Don't talk to me about hiding. You hide behind a facade of self righteous fairness and its bull. Bitter and twisted unfulfilled ambition. You are like the jilted lover. Please take me back I'll change Hahaha. OK you wont now you will be sorry you'll see.
Your time has passed. Get off your soap box

You complain about everything TTC GCTC BRC all wrong.

What a sad, sad person you are.
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Post by: generator on 2015-May-21, 03:10 PM
I am sad you are correct. Sad at seeing all the self interest from jilted lovers. People that think they know best. let the others have go. Bentley had 11 years in his last stint and 2 other terms prior to that. The Labor mob had representations put to them over and over to replace BB. They did nothing. Leave this mob alone to complete the task. When replacing an iron fisted regime that sapped confidence it takes time. 3 steps forward 2 back so to speak. You had a go Vadim.  There is far more confidence around now than when BB got the message. You don't have to hate.  I am sad because the old mob want revenge and I suspect you do too and that wont do us any good especially if they get their way.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-21, 05:32 PM
This could be entertaining.  Makes up for the dull offering in this week's WW.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-21, 07:01 PM
We are not amused.......hardly very edifying.... a newcomer insulting vadim and questioning his motives is very poor form....stick to the issues boys and girls that's what this thread is for. :shutup:

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: westie on 2015-May-21, 08:33 PM
This could be entertaining.  Makes up for the dull offering in this week's WW.
Yes qualifies for moving to the Soap Box.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-21, 09:05 PM
So does LGHR Westie.  That's all it is.   :biggrin:
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Post by: generator on 2015-May-25, 09:00 AM
Let me be  Nostradamus for the week. The WW will have many emails either published or referenced regarding the reports in the Sunday mail about the White Inquiry. There may be one from BB himself. I'm predicting he will also claim there are so many they are almost jammed his in box. There will also reference to the failure of the Winter Carnival. King kev will get a spray and so will fappers and Toowoomba. Mr Lingard will say what a good website JR is. ( he secretly hates Mr Purser and is totally jealous of him. )That's why he copied his methods of selling tips
Its so predictable I don't read it but Norton will inform us of all the garbage.
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Post by: sharply on 2015-May-25, 09:36 AM
The "ignore" feature is there for a purpose-Think I had Generator ignored after about 2 posts.All sites have them & none deserve replies to their valueless posts.Ignore & forget !
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-25, 10:15 AM
Oh Sharply, I wouldn't dismiss Generator lightly.  His problem is that he calls it as he sees it.  Some people don't like that sort of approach.  They prefer to prance about the edges without saying what they really think.  Others go for the throat but do it poorly.  Others are just plain silly.  Often in a blogsite like this we see all types in a conversation.  It is the nature of the thing.  The only people I have ever put on Ignore are the non contributors, the ones that are simply "fillers" and aren't worth the time to read their pointless tripe (we don't have many, thank gawd).  The most valuable IMHO are the ones that have the courage to START a thread on a non trivial issue about which they would like to see a conversation occur. 

I was amused to see some come to Arsie's defence recently, but not about the issue.  It was about seniority  :what: .  What has that got to do with it.  Arsie has many thousand posts (most erroneous  :whistle: ...sorry mate, but the truth hurts) and Generator has less than a hundred, all straight shooting.  He even bruised me in one (bastard).     
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Post by: D-G on 2015-May-25, 07:34 PM

Cushions tracks .....goooooone
Why is this a good thing? Serious question!

GCTC.............amazing
I have been to the GC nearly every week for the past 8 years and I see no real difference  :unsu

The track itself is in very poor condition, and the public facilities for punters are a disgrace and certainly haven't changed in the time I have been attending. Have a look at the tvs ,for example. One of the sky tvs, which is still a "box tv" has had a blurred picture for well over a year.  :whistle:  The person who switches it on each week must be embarrassed to do so.

The new convention centre which the security staff escorted me away from several times is great, as is the other new building, which very few will ever see the inside of.
I realise I am sounding very negative, but can you please expand on the "amazing" claims
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Post by: vadim on 2015-May-25, 07:46 PM
and Generator has less than a hundred, all straight shooting.  He even bruised me in one (bastard).      



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      2015-Apr-11, 09:06 AM
Thanks Norton for the noice bloke thing.


The easiest thing it to character assassinate. It takes no effort and we all read it. Just like the car crash you so described.
We know its not good but we gotta look.




Well Norton looks like you have been caught out again. Generator has never called you anything other than a Noice bloke and Generator on his own admission has noted that "the easiest thing to do is character assassinate"

Trust me we will continue to read your posts for the humour they generate.

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Post by: D-G on 2015-May-25, 09:59 PM
I just had a quick look, and every single one of generators posts has been bagging either Just Racing or LGHR  :chin:

All of his( I use "his" as Norton uses the male pronoun, and it is quite obvious both he and Dubbledee  know who generator is) posts are at least equally negative to those he attacks, just on the other side of the fence  :bulb:
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Post by: arthur on 2015-May-26, 07:34 AM
Meanwhile . .

Buttsy's 'Silks & Saddles' column mentions every Amateur carnival in NQ but conveniently forgets about the one held in Mackay last Saturday

My mate tells me that it was a  pretty ordinary crowd . .

Saw the Pres. on TV, who said the crowd was 'everything we thought it would be' . . which could mean whatever you want to read into it

Racing was good, with 8 events contested, so don't know what is required to get people through the gate

Perhaps they could drop the prices a bit . .
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-27, 06:56 AM
Quite a mixture today on the Wednesday Whinge...some speculation on where Wade Birch was not being present at the recent Racing Conference...some legal opinion that the motivation for calling for the White Commission of Inquiry might be an offence under the Public Service Act ..that's stretching it to Quixotic proportions and even if accurate any penalty will be meaningless and probably unenforceable.....those who contend all contributions come from the editor hisself...are likely to be confused when they read the comments on the ASIC findings...the writer might be using a fictitious name but the sentiments are clear ...he is skeptical that ASIC found nothing and fair to say he smells a rat....and the old QTC brigade gets a mention although an unflattering and unnecessary slur on this Forum as a two bit whatever is uncalled for.. ...mostly we're a lot of honest brokers with a few tossers thrown in with too much time on our hands and we just love listening to ourselves thinking....just how clever some of us are .....and there's a plaintiff plea from one of the Smith family to bring Bob back......while not dismissing the idea it's a possibility.... would Bob want to come back and to where as the grapevine is that QACRIB is going to be disbanded and it'll be like it was before with the three codes all fighting each other and dividing up the spoils ......and finally the suggestion that the former racing minister Bob Gibbs is in the running to make a comeback.....I like Bob and always found him good company but I can't imagine him in this role...but if it comes to pass he'll ruffle a lot of feathers.

There it is and you can read it yourselves and come to your own conclusions. :thumbsup:


Giddy Up :beer: 
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-27, 01:51 PM
Boy, this is getting tedious.  You see, the problem is the theme never changes nor does the mood of despair. John you recycle things at the dump, not on the internet ya goose.  
(http://s14.postimg.org/z9hnnrmwd/Recycle.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/z9hnnrmwd/)
BTW, that's Albert Williams in the pic.  He always recycles, never has something new.


Anyway WW is sooooo bad lately even my parodies are getting unclean ratings.  That jibe from Arsenal last week really hurt.  So John, pleeeeeeeze clean up your act, my reputation is tied to yours.  Think of others for a change.

First the news....firstly this week's user of the Little King Kev signature is the time honoured Albert Williams, the Phantom Scribbler of Redcliffe.  Trust me Albert, I know how you feel.  I reckon Linguini uses both of us.  :embarrassed:

Now for the topic of the day......buggar, its all about RQ again.  :mad:  Boring.  Remember the glory days of LGHR when we could nark about Toowoomba, the North, Royal Beaudesert and the form.  :wacko: Weird was fun, but now it seems Linguini is up for the kill.  Roll on MacSporran I say.  First time ever that Linguini will have some facts to chew on.  Arsenal thinks this stuff is stimulating, but he gets excited if he even wakes up in the morning.  Low threshold that bloke, he gets his jollies from whacking a tiny ball with a stick at a tiny flag stuck in a can he will never ever hit.   He whacks away at random but still has to get up real close to it so he can push it in.   Personally, I like something that's a bit of a challenge. So, back to today's lean offerings.

Fred Abbott of the Gold Coast shelved out a grand to go to the ARC last week hoping to catch up with Wade Birch  :flowers: .  Fred being Fred was to be disappointed, but wasted no time gathering every rumour in town (as you do at Conferences) and lays them all out for us today on WW.  But Fred, we don't want rumours.  They aint worth  :crap: .  Wouldn't you think Fred, who obviously is a part of racings hierarchy since he goes to these things would just ring up RQ and ask for Wade.  Two outcomes Fred.  Either Wade comes on the line and you can chin wag about the effect of the Greek economy on Australian Racing, or the secretary will tell you Wade is not available for a few weeks.  It's that fricking simple mate.   :slaphead:

Albert Wiliams seems to be looking for blood over the ASIC situation.  He knows a bit more than the rest of us telling us that the report said the investigation found there was no case to answer.  I thought Cameron said there was insufficient evidence.  Isn't that different?  If there is no case to answer, why investigate in the first place?  Maybe it is just semantics.

Alan Staines (very droll John, very very droll) of the Sunny Coast moans that $20M has been spent so far in inquiries checking out Bob Bentley and his merry mob and are yet to score a hit.  Stainsey, that's why we HAVE lawyers mate.  You don't want em out playing with their toys on the freeway do ya?  Someone could get hurt.  Look what happened to Tim Carmody.   :o To save you reading the sad story, you get the gist of it from the pic.....
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Bill Whitehouse says something, but I went to sleep reading it.  Whatever it was it sure woke Linguini up.  He even commented on it (after ghost writing it, probably).  Any way Bill asks what is to be done about the instigators of this tragic inquiry situation and he obviously has support.  Here is Bill and his mates discussing matters.  That's him with the white hair recording the session for Linguini to do the ghost writing.  Bill struggles with the alphabet, and I am not surprised!!
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Brett Wintec is back.  Usual rubbish, but what we learned today is that Brett can profile people by watching them on TV.  Most people do a 3 year uni course in Psychology to be able to do that.  Clever bloke our Brett.  Just be careful though.  I thought Charles Manson seemed nice too at his courtcase but alas I was wrong.  Maybe it was the suit that fooled me.  :embarrassed:

James Smith of Brisbane has a go at Phillip's JMHR website, calling it a "local two-bit" piece of work.  Tell us something we don't know Jimmy boy.   Jimmy ups the ante and says the former Board "has been cleared".  Thanks for clearing that one up mate.  I always wondered why my missus accepted my insufficient evidence claims about the lipstick on my collar when I crawled home at 2.00am after a night with my snout in the trough somewhere.  And then, he mentions the QTC.  For gawd sake James, the very mention of that upsets Peter Cameron.  We don't want that happening.  Peter is necessary to LGHR, and he reads it.  Show some bloody common sense mate.  It is Ok to say that word here because Cameron doesn't read this.  But just in case he does, this is just for you Pete....
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Now the last missive today is a doozy.  We have a well known racing identity who writes anonomously.  He / she is a old QTC freakster and hangs around the Story Bridge Hotel.  John you he / she must have stayed too long in the pub, because whilst you go into bat for everything LGHR stands AGAINST, you stuff it in the final line with a complementary "Little King Kev".  Yes, I lied earlier.  Albert has to share the prize this week.  You really had us going there for a moment.     :lol:    Anyway it seems from all this that Linguini is looking forward to June.
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-May-27, 03:59 PM
Poor John and the pseudonyms he writes under.  :sad:

How about bagging his mate over at Just Marburg.  That's the only site that gives him cred and now he uses words that are far from complimentary.  emthdown

Gotta laff at all the crap about "participants" - who are scared shitless to give their names because they'll end up fed to the sharks circling off Tangalooma - who reckon Qld racing is  :censored: ed.

I got around the course on Saturday, speaking with trainers, breeders and punters.  Not one had a bad word to say against Kevin and the new team at Deagon.

No one group who actually contributes to the industry wants another change.  :nowink:
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Post by: generator on 2015-May-27, 04:56 PM
Thanks Norts your critique was amusing but the thread throughout  is always the same. I did my Nostradamus prediction and I was 90 % correct based on your report
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-27, 06:35 PM
Hopefully this won't spur norts to take on a new career.....or audition for a job on Open Slather on  the Comedy Channel .....I concede the humour which was lacking in  some of his previous attempts at comedy ....did cause a chuckle......but there's more to it than that ..accuracy is important.....and  he made two errors...the first concerning my good self's golfing ability which while fairly mediocre most of the time does have the occasional good day...and I do have the distinction of three holes in one...the most recent only a couple of weeks ago...to which I alerted everyone I could think of and posted it on my own humble thread....the second error norts made  was confusing the referred to blog site frequented by certain members of the QTC brigade using nicks as being located on JR.....whereas it is abundantly clear the disparaging remarks of a two bit blog site was aimed at us...a most unfair accusatory contention.

And here's a piece from LGHR mounting a case in support of Kevin Dixon and the current QACRIB from Basil Nolan....Barry Baldwin and Vin Cox from Magic Millions.

If norts can find something funny in that he should let us in on it.

Giddy Up. :beer:


BATTLE BEGINS FROM INDUSTRY 'MATES' TO SAVE LITTLE KING KEV 

THREE of the major representative bodies of the thoroughbred industry are calling on the State Government to provide certainty for its future, by confirming the ongoing leadership of its management team.

The Thoroughbred Breeders Queensland Association (TBQA), Queensland Trainers Association and Magic Millions have joined forces to show their firm support for the existing Racing Queensland Board.

It follows the continued negative exposure involving the greyhound industry, and the furore around live-baiting, as well as the ongoing rumours and innuendo surrounding Racing Queensland’s hierarchy.

“We find it both alarming and offensive that the thoroughbred industry is being affected by this scandal,” said the President of both the TBQA and Thoroughbred Breeders Australia, Basil Nolan.

 “It is exceptionally frustrating to think that the very administrators who have been responsible for the complete rebirth of confidence within the thoroughbred industry in Queensland over the last 12 months are now being dragged down into the gutter as a result of a greyhound practice that has seemingly been going on for decades.

“We realise it is not possible to please all of the people all of the time, however it is very important to understand that contrary to what is regularly reported, there is an enormous amount of positivity across all sectors of the thoroughbred industry in this state.

“There is no question that optimism is directly attributable to the current Racing Queensland leadership team and the strong future they have provided for us.”

Trainers Association President Barry Baldwin said in more than 50 years of training, he had never had more clients wanting to buy horses or become involved in the industry.

“Prizemoney has never been at a higher level and all of this is as a result of the direction that Kevin Dixon and his team has taken us,” Mr Baldwin said.

“There is now a confidence there that had been missing for years and it is something we need to keep nurturing.”

Magic Millions Managing Director Vin Cox is adamant Queensland is now a racing state firmly on the move.

“The incredible improvements to QTIS, the substantial increases in prizemoney, a wonderfully revamped Winter Racing Carnival and a game-changing partnership with Magic Millions to host the richest raceday in Australia are just some of the reasons why the optimism within Queensland is at an all-time high,” Cox said.

“We have had a great relationship with Racing Queensland and it is one we are looking forward to continuing with in the future.”
These industry leaders are urging the State Government to look at the big picture for racing, its future viability and the strong role it can now play in the Queensland economy.

 
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-27, 09:39 PM
Arsie, the BIG question is where is the support and acclaim from QROA???????????

Aren't owners a huge beneficiary of the Qld prizemoney increases under the Dixon regime? 
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-27, 09:40 PM
And no, no, no the two bit blogsite is JMHR.  Everyone knows that.  What rock are you living under?
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Post by: vadim on 2015-May-27, 11:10 PM
I wonder whether the press release from the Trainers Association has unanimous support - I doubt it.

I would agree that the QTBOA will support Basil - I would under normal circumstances.

As for the QROA - where are they?
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-28, 07:34 AM
Any reason to doubt?  Any missive from an association will rarely be unanimous.  My experience at meetings is there is always a weary hand that rises to show dissent.  That is normal and does not reflect the majority.

As for QROA, I wonder if there is a conflict of interest.  Some may be jockeying for a position at Deagon.  Now that would be a terrible position to be in.   :lol:   What to do. 
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Stan Still on 2015-May-28, 08:38 AM
RQ is/are dead men walking, why bother with all this, just sit back and wait.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-28, 12:38 PM
James Smith on LGHR WW has gone over the out of bounds markers in describing our Forum as a two bit blog site ......and Norts is being mischevious in asserting that Jimmy or James as he prefers to be known was referring to Phil's JR when he fired a shot or two at  the Old QTC Brigade who hide behind nom de plumes .....we all know who he was referring to who he described as racing dinosaurs .....so fair suck of the sav Norts denial doesn't wash. >:(

As punishment you can read the missive in question again.

giddy up :beer:


THE OLD QTC BRIGADE HAVE GONE VERY SILENT ON THEIR TWO-BIT BLOG SITES’

JAMES SMITH of BRISBANE sent this email:

‘THE old QTC brigade who hide behind non de plumes on a local two-bit blog site have been mighty quiet since the announcement that Bentley and his crew have been cleared by ASIC.

These clowns have thrown plenty of rocks over the past few years, but there has been deadly silence since Peter Cameron broke the news on Sunday that the former Board had been cleared.

These lads might be concerned that their days with their noses in the trough at the Committee rooms throughout South-East Queensland might be coming to an end. 

It certainly looks as though these racing dinosaurs are headed for extinction with Labor now well and truly entrenched for the next three years and the likelihood that Kev and Darren won’t be there after Alan Macsporran releases his report.

I bet Bob Bentley’s phone lit up on Sunday from those ship-jumpers who quickly transitioned after the 2012 election.

There have been a few reports that the ASIC clearance is perfect timing to enable his return after Kev is shown the door. 

I am a passionate greyhound stakeholder and I can’t wait for his return.  At least he supported our code after its years of neglect in preference to the red-hots.’



 
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Norton on 2015-May-28, 01:31 PM
James Smith on LGHR WW has gone over the out of bounds markers in describing our Forum as a two bit blog site ......and Norts is being mischevious in asserting that Jimmy or James as he prefers to be known was referring to Phil's JR when he fired a shot or two at  the Old QTC Brigade who hide behind nom de plumes .....we all know who he was referring to who he described as racing dinosaurs .....so fair suck of the sav Norts denial doesn't wash. >:(

As punishment you can read the missive in question again.

giddy up :beer:


THE OLD QTC BRIGADE HAVE GONE VERY SILENT ON THEIR TWO-BIT BLOG SITES’

JAMES SMITH of BRISBANE sent this email:

‘THE old QTC brigade who hide behind non de plumes on a local two-bit blog site have been mighty quiet since the announcement that Bentley and his crew have been cleared by ASIC.

These clowns have thrown plenty of rocks over the past few years, but there has been deadly silence since Peter Cameron broke the news on Sunday that the former Board had been cleared.

These lads might be concerned that their days with their noses in the trough at the Committee rooms throughout South-East Queensland might be coming to an end. 

It certainly looks as though these racing dinosaurs are headed for extinction with Labor now well and truly entrenched for the next three years and the likelihood that Kev and Darren won’t be there after Alan Macsporran releases his report.

I bet Bob Bentley’s phone lit up on Sunday from those ship-jumpers who quickly transitioned after the 2012 election.

There have been a few reports that the ASIC clearance is perfect timing to enable his return after Kev is shown the door. 

I am a passionate greyhound stakeholder and I can’t wait for his return.  At least he supported our code after its years of neglect in preference to the red-hots.’



 

Wrong again Arsie. The only two bit blogsite in town is JMHR.  Everyone knows that.  Even YOU know that Phillip is a great QTC man, he used to present in the Mounting Yard at EF regularly on a Sat and loved the place.  Plus he is a racing dinosaur, used to eat the free food in the press room too.    I think you will find he is no longer granted access to the Mounting Yard either.  All fits the profile the LGHR missive describes.

Anyway, enough of trying to fix your errors.   :stop: I gotta pick up my suit from the dry cleaners for the Committee Room function on Sat  :) .  A few other Forumites coming as well.  Is Linguini coming? 

Gawd, one of those forumites is a renowned messy eater too, once those ole QTC crumbed lamb chops hit the room.  I am gunna stay away from him  :/ .   Luckily Bollinger removes grease  :clap2: .   
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-May-28, 02:39 PM
Good try, Arsenal.

No doubt your mate is referring to your other mate when it comes to a two-bit website.

I regard your assertion as an insult to the informed and balanced people who keep this forum humming along.

Moderators:  YOU GONNA LET ARSENAL GET AWAY WITH THIS INSULT?    :rant:

Fancy LGHR talking about people hiding behind a nom de plume - when his weekly correspondence is made up of nothing less.

Bet there's gonna be a race for someone to register here as Albert Williams.  :bulb:
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Post by: arthur on 2015-May-28, 03:33 PM
Moderators:  YOU GONNA LET ARSENAL GET AWAY WITH THIS INSULT? [/b] [/color]

I think that Norton is big enough to look after himself without the help of mods . . and that Arsie knows the boundaries

This site can surely handle a little bit of civilised 'needle' badinage
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Post by: generator on 2015-May-29, 06:31 AM
It appears the LGHR owner Lingard reads this blog site as he puts it. Going on past performances he possibly participates using a non de plume.
He could use the name Mr Bitter or Mr I want revenge or I hate Everyone.
It appears most hypocritical for  Mr Lingard to complain about Non De Plumes as his site uses  immature names on fake emails to get his twisted message out.
Mr Lingard NO ONE BELIEVES YOU.
The Jig is up. The window is open. It is obvious. Grow up and get a real life you twisted poor demented ex jurno.
You appear bitter to the world. Old associates like Bentley and your new best mate Neville are using you and you don't get it.
Norton and Arsenal have referred to LGHR complaining about this site. 
Everyone should be shaking their heads in disbelief. If they are not then it is only because MR Lingard is fooling no-one with the garbage he publishes.
 I have said before I don't read WW. I am not missing any revelations.
Nortons reviews are much more entertaining. 
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-29, 09:56 AM
Noooooooo.  Linguini was referring to JMHR as the two bit website.  That is a given.

I agree with the rest though.  There is something seriously wrong with someone who dotes so heavily week in, week out on an obsession.  It just ain't natural.  I once had Bentleyitis, but I still liked the bloke and didn't have dreams about him.
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Post by: Norton on 2015-May-29, 11:28 AM
These remarks by Christie Leppitch (Lions coach) resounded with those who see LGHR and JMHR websites as obsessed with racing authority.

Christie Leppitsch, the wife of Brisbane Lions coach Justin Leppitsch, lamented the bad side of social media at a networking lunch on Thursday.  Leppitsch, part of a panel at the club's inaugural Women of the Pride lunch, said the advent of social media could be a double-edged sword for her.  High-profile athletes and coaches are regularly the target of Twitter trolls and Leppitsch said it made it hard.

"Honestly I'll tell you. I found it very hard. Very, very,very difficult. "Social media has given some very angry, mean people a voice and I had to turn off from that .  "That's the part about football is you're part of a family. We want the football club to be so successful, I want my husband to be successful.  "When you're out there and you're seeing on social media people wanting to fire him (Leppitsch) every day and saying these cruel things every day and saying cruel things about players.

"We've come to know these people personally and I go, 'how dare you write that about this young boy?'. 'Who do you think you are?'

An avid user of Twitter, Leppitsch lauded the possible positive impacts of social media as well and encouraged group members to remain upbeat.


"Please keep being that voice of positivity in this world of people who can hide behind anonymity in being negative," she said.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-May-29, 07:03 PM
I think it obvious that the good lady in referring to social media has twitter and possibly facebook in mind....they attract lots of ferals...it would be a safe bet neither JR or LGHR are known to her. Giddy up :beer:


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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jun-10, 06:36 AM
Another bumper edition of the Wednesday Whinge today ...14 contributions.....many devoted to criticizing RQ......but led by comments on the SKY debacle on Victorian racing......Norton would have had a field day ..if he was still around here.....poking fun at the whingers and their whinges...one from Dan Pierce follows. :thumbsup:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3251-wednesday-whinge-sky-shows-lack-of-respect-for-punters-again

 
"DAN PIERCE of BRISBANE made this interesting contribution on the turmoil at RQ:
‘I have listened to all the interpretations of the MacSporran Commission findings and of course was subjected to the mandatory staged interview with (sacked RQ Chairman) Kevin Dixon on  ABC radio, which I suspect was scripted and organized by his media mate Bart Sinclair.
The ABC interview records Dixon lamenting his dismissal as a victim of political bastardry. Strange comment as prior to the change of Government we were informed by The Courier Mail in January that he was A-political. Kevin must have had a convenient major memory lapse, as he was himself, an LNP political appointment.
The integrity system and framework that Dixon inherited when he took control of RQL in April 2012 had, in the eyes of many, worked efficiently and with integrity. Despite this, in the first three months of his chairmanship, Dixon made wholesale changes, such as dismissing the investigative arm and dismissing highly qualified retired police officers experienced in investigative work and returned that work to rank and file stewards who are not trained or capable of conducting a credible investigation.
I am led to believe that Office of Racing staff were either made redundant or transferred by the LNP Government leaving a vacuum of knowledge while the Director and Head of the Science Centre was forced to resign.
Dixon made changes to integrity for no good reason. The existing integrity system was working well. The Office Of Racing was ever vigilant, the Science Centre  for drug testing was accountable and fiercely independent.
The changes were made without proper consideration of risk, or meaningful consultation with those who possessed the experience.
The MacSporran Report Section 231 makes reference to the work load of Darren Condon. “In fairness to Mr Condon, the roll of CEO of RQ, which carried responsibility for all three codes of racing, responsible to one Board but also attending individual code meetings, may be a task beyond the capability of any one person.”
This is an observation of the Commissioner. From those I have spoke to in the Bob Bentley administration I am told that the former CEO of RQL, Malcolm Tuttle, handled the position comfortably, wrote lengthy reports and submissions to Cabinet and in addition self educated himself in gaining extra qualifications. He did so with less staff and considerably less than the $300,000 plus salary being paid to Mr Condon.
Tuttle had to contend with almost a daily barrage of negative media undermining staff moral, all politically motivated. Not so with Mr Condon. In three years I have not seen one negative mainstream media blitz prior to the greyhound debacle.
The question that needs to be asked is: Was his performance properly monitored by Kevin Dixon and the All Codes Board? This is a fundamental function of any Board and especially the Chairman.
Let’s cut to the chase and see what the MacSporran investigation found.
The conclusions predominately highlight the failure of RQL as a regulator to fulfill its duties under the Act. The live baiting issues involving the greyhound industry are, arguably, the result of a board and management out of their depth.
The whole thrust of the Commission report is the control and administration of responsible and transparent integrity. This responsibility rests solely with the All Codes Board chaired by Kevin Dixon.
The MacSporran Commission report covers many incidents and issues that lead up the following statement that is impossible to refute;
Extract from MacSporran Commission Report Section 270:
“It should be clearly understood that the narrative outlined above is given simply to illustrate the fundamental failure in RQL's system for regulation and maintenance of integrity within the industry. The specific examples are referenced to give color and meaning to the more important conclusion which is that there has been a gross systemic failure. The detailed reasons for this conclusion are set out later in the report.”
Section 271:
“In reaching its conclusions the Commission has been acutely aware of the dangers of employing the wisdom of hindsight and has looked beyond the examples referred to above to determine whether they are isolated instances detracting from a system of regulation which is otherwise functioning effectively.
“It has been concluded that the examples quoted are consistent with the failures one would expect to see where the overall system of regulation is fundamentally flawed.”
All the spin and excuses do not hide poor management and inexperience.’"
 

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jun-17, 07:14 AM
Stealing a line from an old adversary who ( before he was discredited as an advisor to tax cheats)once was given space in the CM to pour scorn on my honest and robust defence of the public service ..... opined that he felt....."like a glutton at a smorgasbord"......not knowing where to start.....there's so much today in the WW that even Norton ..if he was still in the building .....would have the same problem.....but from where I sit here in the bleachers top billing  has to go to former RQL chairman Bob Bentley who has made a comeback with all guns blazing.....and ably supported by fellow sacked member Wayne Milner.....whose contribution might appear to resemble something one might include in a job application...and there's more .....some on point criticism of the soft interview Steve Austin gave Kevin Dixon....lots more...and a long winded but well presented contribution from a greyhound trainer who complains that the greyhounds have never had a voice under RQ or previous administrations amongst other things.....and Brett Wintec points the finger at certain high level RQ staffers who he asserts should be required to re-apply for their jobs when the new regime is in place.....that seems to be a more than likely outcome seeing that the organization is being split into two separate parts.
Something for everyone. Giddy Up :beer:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3255-wednesday-whinge-former-rq-directors-return-fire


FORMER RQ CHAIRMAN BOB BENTLEY reveals some concerning financial facts and poses some interesting questions in the wake of the demise of his successor Kevin Dixon:
‘THE Auditor-General will have some interesting conclusions when the audit of RQL is handed down and all decisions are out in the open for industry judgment, especially the 30-year Tatts deal, the unnecessary and disgraceful contribution to Magic Millions and the unseemly desperate  decision to prop up Bob Frappell and the Toowoomba Turf Club.
The deal with Tatts that Dixon has locked the Queensland industry into for 30 years has failed at the first hurdle to produce continuing revenues anywhere near industry expectations.
A letter was recently published on your website setting out the dire performance of RQL to the 31st of October 2014 and a predicted loss of $9 million – now for the next installment.
The performance for the next four months to the end of February has been received from within and the result is showing no improvement with a $9 million-plus loss still looming.
The financial outcomes have been building over a period of time and the industry should have been informed and measures taken by Kevin Dixon and the All Codes Board, not a wall of silence and spin, when reasonable questions have been asked.
The only decision that appears to have been made is ‘stick your head in the sand’ and try to blame others, and above all, hope all the problems go away.
The following is evidence of the likely outcome that must by reason of poor returns and the aftermath of bad decision making put the prizemoney levels currently being expended under severe pressure.
TOTAL WAGERING REVENUE SHORTFALL AGAINST BUDGET OF $7,670,770
THE attractiveness of the Queensland racing product continues to deteriorate as can be seen from the imbalance of race fees paid to other states for use of their product where deductions from RQL revenue have reached $17,417,407 or an increase over budget of 21.4%. Conversely income received from other states using the Queensland product has fallen $2,660,850 or 18.9% against budget.
This by any measure of the imagination is a two-edged sword with a combined hit of $6,716 million against budget.
The reasons are many, including poor programming, suspect integrity and a non commercial approach to resource allocation by Dixon and his Board and administration.
There is an old adage ‘if you want to be popular, buy a dog’. Kevin Dixon's desire to be popular through giving the industry unsustainable prizemoney increases, non commercial capital commitments, such as Toowoomba, has come home to roost. There is no logical explanation for the resources lavished on Toowoomba. If there is, I would like to understand the decision-making process and see this made public.
As a way of illustration consider the following:
Toowoomba statistics highlighting the worst performance of any TAB club.
Racing meetings between 1/7/2014 and 17/1/2015
TOTAL TURNOVER                                                                        $8,361,566
TOTAL PRIZEMONEY                                                                    $2,462,000
AVERAGE TURNOVER PER MEETING                                         $420,504
AVERAGE  PRIZEMONEY PER MEETING                                    $123,100
AVERAGE RETURN PER $ OF PRIZEMONEY                               3.4 cents
Turnover is not revenue:
The revenue received from all betting types is averaged out at 6 cents in the dollar, so it can be seen that the return from paying $2,462,000 in prizemoney to the Toowoomba Turf Club amounts to a revenue return to the industry [RQL] of $501,660. Even if the turnover was increased by 17.5% to $10 million to cover corporates and other parties using the product to a gross turnover of $10 million, the return would only be $600,000 or 4.1 cents per dollar of prizemoney paid.
To return to my point above why would you allocate scarce resources in this quantum to Toowoomba, let alone rip up the synthetic track and replace it with another when the turnover on the synthetic track was in excess of what is currently being achieved?
The capital cost of the new track at Toowoomba was, according to the Board papers of RQL, just short of $8 million.
Toowoomba performance needs to be compared with other program decisions made:
DEAGON 14/9 2014
Turnover                                        $178,000 
Prizemoney                                      $42,000
RETURN                                          $10,680
Return per $ of Prizemoney            4.2 cents
KILCOY - FOUR MEETINGS
Turnover                                      $1,226,000
Prizemoney                                  $306,000
RETURN                                       $73,560
Return per $ of prizemoney           4.1 cents   
‘MICKEY MOUSE’ COULD HAVE ACHIEVED THE SAME RESULT AT RQ’
THOSE reading this article might say that Kevin Dixon and the All Codes Board raised prizemoney and that is a wonderful achievement. Many, however, would say that ‘Mickey Mouse’ could have achieved the same result. The increases were not achieved through responsible financial management or increases in revenue achieved through producing a better product.
Let us consider the facts:
PRIZEMONEY was raised on the back of a one-off  $15 million up-front payment by Tatts as a reward for signing the new 30-year wagering contract and $1 million donation to the breeders for the QTIS Scheme from the LNP.
COSTS have increased along with staff numbers and the integrity of the product has failed.
WAGERING on the Queensland product as a quality product has declined alarmingly as set out above to an imbalance of $6.716 million.
There has been a list of decisions made that must be considered as being non commercial and certainly not in the best interests of the Racing industry in Queensland.
To name a few:
INCREASING the Stradbroke Handicap prizemoney to $2 million at a time when the finances of RQL are running rivers of red ink. The same field would have contested for $1 million.
A SUBSTANTIAL contribution, as yet unquantified, to the private  empire of Gerry Harvey’s ‘ Magic Millions’. This is on top of $600,000 already being provided.
THE REVAMP of the Winter Carnival has produced arguably the worst winter carnival on record.
THE DECISION to close Eagle Farm without having the necessary financial and Government approvals in place.
FAILING to adequately resource the integrity arm of racing in Queensland.
THE PORK-BARRELING of support to Toowoomba that clearly is a basket case.
FAILURE to adequately inform the racing industry of their financial and product performance. The biggest myth, hoisted on the Racing Industry supported by media propaganda, is that Kevin Dixon resurrected the Queensland racing industry. Clearly it is just propaganda and cannot be supported by fact or evidence.
I would argue that the administration of the racing industry prior to Kevin Dixon taking control was accountable, transparent and commercially responsible and operated an integrity system that was efficient and independent.
I grant that my former Board was not popular but I pose the question: How can a regulator be popular if it is doing its job without fear or favor?’
 
Onya Bob :thumbsup:
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Post by: generator on 2015-Jun-17, 05:57 PM
You really are blind follower of LGHR Arsenal re-posting that crap. The only question I have for you is this.

If your great expert at running everything ( BB) is so good and he was the one that appointed Birch as chief Steward then why did BB and his crew not discover the live baiting.???

 After all they have been gone less than 4 years and all and sundry say the practice had been going on for years.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: vadim on 2015-Jun-17, 06:07 PM
Giving away your vintage generator. 34 years?
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jun-17, 06:32 PM
I don't see any mention by BB on  the live baiting scandal in his commentary generator so my suggestion to you is ..ask him yourself...it would be more to the point if you addressed the issues he raised...that is if you feel they are erroneous in any way. :o

giddy Up  :king:
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: generator on 2015-Jun-17, 07:01 PM
The live bating is the sole reason the board was dismissed according to the spin of the Government. So that makes it very relevant.

Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jun-18, 11:33 AM
The live bating is the sole reason the board was dismissed according to the spin of the Government. So that makes it very relevant.



Live baiting was the issue that led to the Inquiry...but the findings were more extensive.....management failure appears to have been a major factor.....which no doubt influenced Bob to present his views... and on face value appear solid....and are open for critical comment if any holes can be found......Bob's contentions invite a reply should there be any dissent with his conclusions...in the absence of which the jury finds in his favour.  :king:

Giddy Up. :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jun-18, 06:48 PM
generator you are a really nasty little piece of work.....you won't argue because you don't have an argument ...instead you resort to insults and make untrue accusatory comments ..... your claim to a superior level of intelligence... is not borne out in any of your attempts to establish it...so from now on don't waste your time in trying to irritate me...you're on ignore permanently. :bye:

Giddy up :beer:
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Post by: barney on 2015-Jun-18, 07:05 PM
.Letsgohorseracing was no supporter of BB as you have alluded far from it .The website has just posted his comments out of fairness as the courier fail wont.It really is that simple Dixon had the ear of the racing  writer at the Courier and only his side was ever printed.The interview on Abc with Dixon and ASteve Austin was so onesided it was  sickening and i for one am glad that that site has posted the other side to story.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: vadim on 2015-Jun-19, 01:37 PM
If your great expert at running everything ( BB) is so good and he was the one that appointed Birch as chief Steward then why did BB and his crew not discover the live baiting.???
 

The live bating is the sole reason the board was dismissed according to the spin of the Government. So that makes it very relevant.


Generator

Your comments contain a number of untruths which need to be corrected.  

Wade Birch was chief  steward of Thoroughbreds after the merger of the three codes in 2010.  Each code had its own chief steward, the position of chief steward for all three codes was a Dixon appointment, so the suggestion that Birch was somehow involved with greyhound live baiting issues during the Bentley Board time is simply incorrect.

During the time of the Bentley Board there was an investigative team in Integrity.  This team had a Manager who was a previous detective Chief Superintendent, an investigator/steward who was previously a detective and also qualified as a greyhound steward and 2 experienced thoroughbred stewards.  One of the stewards was later replaced with a former policeman who was also a qualified lawyer.

So the Integrity team always had at least 2 experienced former detectives.  Within weeks of the Dixon board being appointed all former police were exited.  Having only stewards available for complaints management and investigation is not effective for racing integrity as stewards are not qualified to handle such matters and generally are not available, given they work on roster and naturally tend to focus on racing rather than integrity issues.

If you read ( that is thoroughly and not selective) the MacSporran greyhound review you will find that during the Bentley board era there had been 2 or 3 allegations of greyhound live baiting. The evidence was that each of the allegations was considered, and referred to the RSPCA, bio security and/or police.

At that time the integrity devices had a good relationship with each of these bodies and dealt with them frequently.  No allegations were overlooked or lost because the integrity unit had an effective complaints management process in place.

Your last issue in that is unfair about all boards being removed as a result of the review report when the only issue was live baiting.  This again is not accurate.  

The evidence to the review included a great deal of material around the culture and the broader RQ approach to integrity and in particular the refusal to provide the necessary funds, staff and resources to integrity ( not just greyhound integrity). Instead all money was directed to prize money.  

Therefore the removal  of the boards was more about the general approach to integrity rather than the single issue of live baiting.  That explains why all boards were removed not just greyhounds.


generator I would suggest to you that indignation is no substitute for analysis.

Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jun-24, 07:38 AM
It feels just like a glutton at a smorgasbord as I go through this week's edition of the Wednesday Whinge....focused on QR and Wade Birch's standing down to start with and moving on to other issues.......some barracking from the bleachers for a return to the former administration under Bob Bentley....and a thoughtful contribution on the RVL move to free to air.....it's all here served up as always with a touch of humour in the tales. Credit goes to Stefan Meier of Melbourne for his contribution and some urgent clarification on the costs of having KPMG administering RQ is required based on their costs in administering BBY as reported in the media....and lo and behold a smart arsed new arrival on here gets outed in another piece. :o  



WILL THE SEVEN WEST DEAL WORK – OR END UP JUST ANOTHER TVN DISASTER?  
STEFAN MEIER, of MELBOURNE, a regular contributor, has his say on the new broadcast deal with Seven West Media:

In principle the FTA idea sounds like good one, but it's a bit like after reading the other day that knitting was becoming more popular, the Australian Wool Board ‘seizing’ the opportunity and going free to air with a 24 hour a day knitting channel and expecting to recruit thousands upon thousands of new knitters and quadruple their wool sales! Ridiculous isn't it? Well RVL doesn't think so, and are prepared to put in millions to find out. Millions mind you that could have been used to promote racing to new people in a thousand and one ways and if this free to air idea is the best they can come up with, well I'm no marketing genius, but something's fishy about the whole deal. Here all of a sudden you have Seven West Media, who happen to have a mothballed channel once known as ‘Fresh Ideas’, a ‘lifestyle’ data-casting channel, flogging fruit blenders and fitness machines 24 hours a day, that failed so badly they closed it down.
 
I don't know, it just sounds as though this ‘dog with fleas’ channel was just sitting there and all of a sudden a light globe in some bright spark at SWM goes off and ‘Hey Presto why don't we flog this thing off to the racing industry under the guise of adding to our live sport portfolio’? Who the hell knows, we could charge them millions, promise them cross promotion and advertising revenue, what the heck let's pitch it to them and see if they bite? In the meantime a guaranteed $30 million a year from Tabcorp goes up in smoke.

MR PARKER’ of the SUNSHINE COAST poses an interesting question:
‘IT is almost one month since the Premier announced the appointment of Mr Ian Hall from KPMG to act in an interim capacity at Racing Queensland.  
It was interesting to note from Tuesday’s Australian that presumably the same Ian Hall of KPMG was appointed a month ago as the joint administrator for the failed Sydney stockbroker firm BBY.  
Undoubtedly there are skills being brought to both organizations which are not available outside those skills of a professional administrator.
By the same token the racing industry has not been told what the cost of this interim administration of RQ will be, and although unrelated to RQ, in a circular to BBY creditors dated 20th May, the remuneration of the administrators was listed on page 17 of the letter.
In the matter of BBY the joint administrators and their team appointed rates a
Official liquidator, administrator or partner, appointee $650 per hour exclusive GST
Director $600 per hour exclusive GST
Associate Director $550 per hour exclusive GST
Senior Executive $500 per hour exclusive GST
Executive $300 per hour exclusive GST
Senior Analyst $250 per hour exclusive GST
Analyst $200 per hour exclusive GST
Administration $140 per hour exclusive GST
These remuneration rates are specifically for the administration of BBY Ltd. but, presumably there is some relationship to the cost of currently administering RQ.
  
TIME THREE AMIGOS REALIZED SCUTTLEBUTT HATCHED IN QTC DUNNY DOESN’T WORK  
STU WILLS of TOOWOOMBA, a regular contributor, sent this message:
‘THIS is a note to Kevin, Bart and Bill (alias ‘Billy the blogger hiding as Generator.’



Almost forgot to mention Max Adams who complains about trying to get answers from Deagon at present ..... Max thinks Darren is the answer and should be brought back to fix this mess.....which he overlooks the mess might never had arisen had Darren been on the ball to begin with .....and while he gives Darren a pass he's happy to see the back of Kevin and Wade..... :o

 http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3257-wednesday-whinge-time-to-wish-wade-well-as-we-wave-him-goodbye

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: Stan Still on 2015-Jun-24, 09:59 AM
Just had a look at the brisbane greyhounds racing club website, it is a basket case if being up to date is any guide. You gotta wonder what all the staff do in this place apart from obviously not being very diligent in managing its finances eg two alleged fraud cases in the past few years, but as far as being the flagship club in queensland its a bit of a joke.
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jul-01, 08:51 AM
Just had a look at the latest offering from those who have something to say on the Wednesday Whinge....a mixed bag....a strong surge of support for the former Bentley board to resume activities at RQ....based on their withstanding numerous reviews and audits and financial management ....so welcome back Bob...then to spoil the thought of Bob's resurrection there's a negative view ...don't let Bob back.....and some rumour and gossip about the staff situation at RQ...and one to put the cat amongst the pigeons the suggestion that Danny Nikolic might possibly succeed in getting a license from RQ if he fails in Victoria. :o A lot of argument and disaffection which seems to be the standard up here in the Sunshine State.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php/wednesday-whinge2/3261-wednesday-whinge-bentley-board-had-better-record

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: dubbledee on 2015-Jul-03, 04:45 PM
Yep, lost of the same stuff - all written by the same people.

Anyone listening to him????
Title: Racing Website: letsgohorseracing.com.au
Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Jul-09, 08:41 AM
Reading from top to bottom takes longer than usual today thanks to a long winded although no doubt well intentioned diatribe  on how the greyhound industry has been "stitched up" by MacSporran the ABC ALQ the Greens and  the ALP and by the time you finish reading it you most likely will have forgotten the point of it all and I can't be bothered going over it all again .......the most considered contribution IMO is about the TV rights in Victoria.....that gets top billing from me. :thumbsup:

WOULD NEW SEVEN BROADCAST STRUGGLE TO OUT-RATE GILLIGAN'S ISLAND"

STEFAN MEIER of MELBOURNE again weighs into the race broadcast debate in Victoria:

 IN the time since Racing Victoria signed on the dotted with Seven West Media a number of comment pieces have sprung up from the media, some in favour but mostly in the negative it's fair to say.

One radio guest suggested that the whole Channel from Monday to Friday was a complete waste of time as it would only cater to housewives and pensioners, another newspaper article compared racing's ratings a while back to not even being able to beat re-runs of Gilligans Island.

Of course it's early days, but even though it's a temporary fix there are a number of worrying aspects.

Firstly, Channel 78 as we now find out is not a regular TV channel at all but is known as a "datacasting" channel. This means only people with the latest (up to 5 years or so) equipment can actually view the broadcast.

Even more concerning to the industry (or it should be) is that datacasting channels do not form part of the measured TV ratings system run by Nielsen. We will never ever know how many people are actually watching this channel in homes around Australia.

RVL have still to this day not given a firm time frame as to when racing might return to Sky or be available via Foxtel, nor have they indicated (probably because not one journalist has had the brains to ask !) if it will be on Foxtels HD list which cost subscribers an extra ten bucks a month.

The AHA have rightly so, declared their members will not be stumping up a single dime for Victorian vision when they can get it for free, staggeringly, a certain interviewer on RSN was dumfounded that the AHA could hold this position. He actually thought that there was still a commercial value attached to Victorian race vision that pubs and clubs should pay for when all they have to do is turn on a TV set.

Predictably, the VRC finally got their way and extracted their pound of flesh for the Spring Carnival obviously holding out until the price met their demands.

As I wrote previously I'm no marketing guru but to me the whole thing sounds like a colossal waste of money. I'm old school and my thinking these days will be regarded as prehistoric and not up with today's "platforms", "devices" and "landscapes" but RVL can have this advise for free. I know what got me into horse racing 40 years ago and it didn't involve any sort of screen or device, it was going to the track because that's the only way you could see a horse race live. The track is only way, even today, that gets anyone excited about horse racing. You just cannot get the human interaction of seeing live racing, live horses, the theatre of the betting ring and parade yards from any device. It doesn't matter if you have "Olympic" style coverage, it's not the same, and never will be.

Do anything, spend anything, do whatever it takes to get people back to the track and you'll have your "new eyeballs" by the bucket load, because they can see it, feel it, touch it, smell it and it will get in their veins and stay there forever.

Do they really