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Offline woodywob

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O.P. « 2008-Dec-29, 03:35 PM »
Rebel Raider to be aimed at Sydney classic

By Caryl Williamson

SYDNEY, Dec 28 AAP - Victoria Derby winner Rebel Raider is well into his preparation aimed at adding the Sydney autumn classic to his surprise spring victory.

The Leon Macdonald-trained colt caused a major upset at Flemington on November 1 when he scored a dominant victory over odds-on favourite Whobegotyou in the Derby (2500m) on November 1.

Although he started at 100-1, his victory was more popular than that suggested with his jockey Clare Lindop celebrated as the first woman to ride a Derby winner in Australia.

Macdonald doesn't expect him to be that price again after showing superior staying ability and is pleased with his progress since he has been back in his Adelaide stable,

"He has been back in work for three weeks and we are ready to step up his preparation," Macdonald said.

"He only had a month in the paddock. Obviously we would rather have had six weeks but he needs to be back to get ready for the autumn races.

"He isn't a big horse and he is very clean winded so he has come back in good health.

"He will run in Adelaide first-up then maybe go to the Australian Guineas at Flemington before heading to Sydney for the Randwick Guineas, the Rosehill Guineas and the Derby."

Macdonald said Rebel Raider would start off in the Listed H C Nitschke Stakes (1450m) metres at Cheltenham on February 21 and then a decision would be made on the Guineas (1600m) on March 7.

The Group One Randwick Guineas is on March 14 followed by the Rosehill Guineas (2000m) on March 28 and the AJC Australian Derby (2400m) two weeks later.

On his first trip to Sydney in 1998, Macdonald claimed the Derby with Gold Guru who also won the Australian Guineas when it was run over 2000 metres.

In between he beat Might And Power in the weight-for-age Ranvet Stakes and ran second to the champion in the BMW.

Rebel Raider is a son of Reset, winner of the 2004 Australian Guineas and Futurity Stakes.

Macdonald also has plans to bring Rebel Raider's stablemates Augusta Proud and Impressive Eagle to Sydney for some of the rich three-year-old fillies races while Group One winner Serious Speed will stay at home to be aimed at the Robert Sangster Stakes.

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« 2008-Dec-29, 08:59 PM Reply #1 »
Hopefully Augusta Proud will bounce back but I doubt it

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« 2009-Mar-15, 01:42 PM Reply #2 »
I think its time they sent him back to Adelaide.

He is a quality horse but he has run 3 times in Sydney and performed nowhere near is capabilities.

When is the South Australian Derby ?

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« 2009-Mar-15, 02:02 PM Reply #3 »
2 May by my reckoning.

Port Adelaide Guineas on 4 April would be his path in.

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« 2009-Mar-15, 03:55 PM Reply #4 »
watch the ride on Sat ?

or just see a result and base comments solely on that ?

thing got checked from pillar to post and nearly fell about 350m out

he isn't going to be seen at his best until they reach a minimum of 2000m

I hope Lindop is sacked off him now, absolutely useless.....

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« 2009-Mar-15, 05:45 PM Reply #5 »
But the horse is better than its last two runs.  Last spring it was putting itself into a postion behind the leaders and running on if it wasnt winning.  In Sydney its dropping out.  It was doing a lot better over the shorter courses.   Is it handling the sydney direction? 

If they keep it in Sydney youd want the horse to be a top three finish next time or go back to Adelaide where it will be racing in a direction it knows and on a course it has won at in the past.

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« 2009-Mar-15, 05:52 PM Reply #6 »
Strawbs

Lindop tried to put the horse much closer yesterday but found herself checked then pushed back through the field on numerous occasions

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/stewards/20090314rand.pdf

read the stewards report and you can see it's mentioned 5 times for shifting out, shifting in and pulling hard

the horse is a big strong mover and having her on it does no-one any good, she rode it badly on the Derby and still won on it

MacDonald won't take her off but I wish he would....

in SA she's fine but against the big boys she's found wanting ....

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« 2009-Mar-15, 06:33 PM Reply #7 »
If you'e putting the performance down to the ride you're not doing the form.

If the horse doesn't want to settle the jockey will have probs full stop. Nobody was saying Munce can't ride with the best jockeys when he couldn't get Rhyno Chaser to settle in the Hobartville.

RR was tractable in the Hobartville and couldn't pick them up at all in the run to the line.

Likewise he was ridden to perfection, going the opp way in Victoria, at his first start back and performed strongly.

And if JB Cummings is happy to use C Lindop on his staying chances you're kidding yourself if you're questing her ability.

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« 2009-Mar-23, 04:21 PM Reply #8 »
http://www.racingandsports.com.au/racing/rsNewsArt.asp?NID=147595&story=SA_Raider_Ready_For_Rosehill

this basically outlines what I heard L Mac say on the radio last week

the horse isn't suited below the Derby distance and apart from a top performance 1st up this prep he's been running against much quicker beasts in too short distances

reckon barring a bad ride from Ms Lindop that he'll show a lot more this week

here's hoping

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« 2009-Mar-28, 06:01 PM Reply #9 »
Any excuses today ?

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« 2009-Mar-28, 06:05 PM Reply #10 »
Any excuses today ?

Yeah same as every other week, been racing against better horses   :lol:   :lol:

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« 2009-Mar-28, 06:32 PM Reply #11 »
Trainer Leon Macdonald said Rebel Raider would undergo a thorough veterinary examination on Sunday to determine whether he remained in Sydney or returned home to Adelaide.

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« 2009-Mar-28, 08:12 PM Reply #12 »
Any excuses today ?

No, but I doubt that was any worse than being beaten 4.1 lengths by The Tiger in teh Geelong Derby trial.  Personally, I'd be looking at sending him to Europe, those 4000m races look his go.

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« 2009-Mar-28, 10:31 PM Reply #13 »
My opinion without having seen todays run is he does not go the Sydney direction. There is plenty of time to send him to Adelaide for their Derby. They can salvage something.

I imagine he is simply a lengths better horse going the wrong way than he is up here.

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« 2009-Mar-28, 11:22 PM Reply #14 »
He's a Victorian Derby winner, say no more

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« 2009-Mar-29, 07:19 AM Reply #15 »
They'd have to go to Adelaide if he races again. Not convinced the staying 3yo's are anything too special who will go on as open class. Maybe Metal Bender is the exception.

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« 2009-Mar-29, 07:21 AM Reply #16 »
He's going shocking, but they've come this far...and he didn't show much in the spring until the top of the straight on Derby Day.

I'm not sure these Derby 3yos are particularly special this year.  If I owned RR, I'd roll the dice one more time (assuming he's sound).  Nothing to lose from here.

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« 2009-Mar-29, 08:15 AM Reply #17 »
Supposedly pulled up lame.

Jock was looking down at his legs in the run home.


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« 2009-Mar-29, 08:19 AM Reply #18 »
Supposedly pulled up lame.

Jock was looking down at his legs in the run home.



To see if he had 4 of em?   :lol:

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« 2009-Mar-29, 08:26 AM Reply #19 »
went shitehouse

wish they would give the horse a chance with a male jock on board though

Lindop did look at its legs over the last 200m but if I was her I'd be looking at the replay asking herself why she kicked the horse out of the barriers and punched it up to settle into the first 4 or 5 then allowed herself to get pushed back through the field by the other jocks  who seem to be able to bully her out of positions she seems to already be in


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« 2009-Mar-29, 08:36 AM Reply #20 »
Maybe he can't find his legs the right hand way.
If he is okay, I would tend to give him a chance in the Sydney Derby, I think the field number will fall away and getting to the outside would be a priority. Not sure that there are many in this crop that would run a strong 2400 anyway.

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« 2009-Mar-29, 09:41 AM Reply #21 »
Maybe he can't find his legs the right hand way.
If he is okay, I would tend to give him a chance in the Sydney Derby, I think the field number will fall away and getting to the outside would be a priority. Not sure that there are many in this crop that would run a strong 2400 anyway.

Very good point.

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« 2009-Mar-29, 10:11 AM Reply #22 »
went shitehouse

wish they would give the horse a chance with a male jock on board though

Lindop did look at its legs over the last 200m but if I was her I'd be looking at the replay asking herself why she kicked the horse out of the barriers and punched it up to settle into the first 4 or 5 then allowed herself to get pushed back through the field by the other jocks  who seem to be able to bully her out of positions she seems to already be in



Keepers do you honestly think it would matter? Would a male jock truly find the 10 or so lengths he needs at the moment? You would still have expected the horse to finish off yesterday over the 2000m if it was on target.

Your first sentence said it all.

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« 2009-Mar-29, 10:35 AM Reply #23 »
On face value you would say he's been disappointing in Sydney. However, if you draw a comparison with his lead up races to the Victoria Derby compared to his lead up races this time you'll find that he is going ok for a tilt at 2400m. I'm reluctant to right him off at this stage. Could he be the first horse to win both the Victoria Derby and AJC Derby starting at 100/1 both times ?

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« 2009-Mar-29, 10:46 AM Reply #24 »
His trainer thinks there is something wrong. That's a pretty good indication all is not well.


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