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Offline VoRogue

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« 2013-Aug-14, 05:36 PM Reply #50 »
Wily, i saw someone asked the question the other day as to why Michael Rodd made the trek to Wokka Farm for the one ride on a 20/1 chance. It lobbed, the controversial Supreme Warrior  :chin:


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Offline usernametaken

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« 2013-Aug-14, 06:39 PM Reply #51 »
Rodd had a ride in race 1 and race 2.

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« 2013-Aug-19, 06:56 AM Reply #52 »
Brett Zarafa broke some news on Racing Review yesty that there's some interest in Steve Fletcher's bets once again...he was the guy who escaped penalty in the Bobby El Issa case. :shutup:

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« 2013-Aug-19, 08:15 AM Reply #53 »

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2013-Aug-19, 10:55 AM Reply #54 »


If the Fletcher matter is not a beat up, one can only start asking questions
 about the inability of the stewards or the betting promoters to find the pattern
 in the betting across different accounts to say nothing of the milk money
being placed as cash bets at TAB agencies.

It is the repeated patterns in the misbehaviour that need to be found -- not one-off suspicions.

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« 2013-Aug-19, 03:15 PM Reply #55 »
All,

Who exactly is Fletcher a commission agent for. I note the Vanuato connection so I can probably guess at least 1 of the high profile people involved.

Any ideas on the Melbourne jockey?

Fours
ps watch yourselves given the libel laws in this country .... designed to protect the guilty/innocent that have deep pockets....

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« 2013-Oct-17, 09:17 PM Reply #56 »
I reckon P Graham salutes tomorrow but the again I may Be "talking silly" :chin:

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« 2013-Oct-29, 07:50 PM Reply #57 »
New powers to probe racing

SCANDALS plaguing the horse racing industry will now be probed under new extraordinary powers given to its independent integrity commissioner.
Under legislation being introduced to parliament this week, Racing Integrity Commissioner Sal Perna will have a range of powers compelling racing's controlling bodies, jockeys, trainers and owners to cooperate with investigations.

The changes come after reports by Mr Perna and his investigation of the Damien Oliver inquiry by Racing Victoria Limited identified deficiencies in fighting corruption in the sport.

Key changes to the Racing Act 1958 will affect both Racing Victoria Limited and Mr Perna.

The amendments will also umbrella racing rules to non-licenced people involved in the sport, such as race analysts and professional punters.

During Mr Perna's investigations he attempted to interview jailed drug boss Tony Mokbel, a heavy punter who associated with racing figures, but he refused.

But Mr Perna said Mokbel was not alone in refusing requests to be interviewed by him.

"This government has been very supportive and this is an indication of that,'' he said.

"It's a boost to integrity in racing and it addresses the deficiencies I identified in my reports.''

Key areas of reform Mr Perna has called for which remain unchanged is for a national body to apply standards to the industry and for Victoria Police to have specialist racing investigators.

Victorian Premier Denis Napthine said the changes were essential to fighting corruption in the $2 billion industry.

"Victoria has the best racing in Australia but there is always a need to keep ahead of the game and maintain strong safeguards against corruption," Dr Napthine said.

"These changes,... mean the racing integrity commissioner has the necessary tools to conduct his investigations and provide effective oversight of the sector."

Penalties for refusing to answer questions are unknown, but are likely to be similar to contempt of court charges.

Dr Napthine also said the legislative changes would remove any doubt about Racing Victoria's power to apply the rules of racing to non-licensed people involved in racing.

"All people participating in racing whether licensed or non-licensed will now need to adhere to rules of racing or otherwise be subject to penalties such as exclusion from racing," he said.

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« 2013-Oct-29, 07:57 PM Reply #58 »
"The amendments will also umbrella racing rules to non-licenced people involved in the sport, such as race analysts and professional punters."

Who is a race analyst or a professional punter ?


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« 2013-Oct-29, 08:00 PM Reply #59 »
Any of pundits you know in media? Quite few jockey managers? Quite few others?

Professional punters might be little harder to determine.

But key is - it not includes non-licenced.

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« 2013-Oct-29, 08:03 PM Reply #60 »


"All people participating in racing whether licensed or non-licensed will now need to adhere to rules of racing or otherwise be subject to penalties such as exclusion from racing," he said.


Fair enough I guess

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« 2013-Oct-29, 08:52 PM Reply #61 »
You wonder why victoria police are all over it, but nsw arent? Hes in nsw afaik.
One of his best mates said he bets on fixed racing but he wouldnt even bet on the harness.pm me if u have q's but thats all ill say here

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« 2013-Nov-04, 06:38 AM Reply #62 »
Smoken' Joey :chin:

The stewards don't seemed to have asked about the improved performance. I noted that the "now disgraced" Mark Hunter was spruiking it on the radio the other week so someone must have had an inkling :whistle:

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« 2014-Jan-01, 01:56 PM Reply #63 »
WEll, I hope they got a slice of the 50's in the 2nd at Inverell. Intested to see where he was in the running after his last few runs.
Not such a long way to travel so I suspect it was well worth it
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« 2014-Jan-01, 07:06 PM Reply #64 »
WEll, I hope they got a slice of the 50's in the 2nd at Inverell. Intested to see where he was in the running after his last few runs.
Not such a long way to travel so I suspect it was well worth it
I'm lost - are you talking about the winner dropping back from 1500m to 1200m and being able to win?

If that's the case I have no problem with running a horse over an unsuitable distance and then dropping him back in distance.

 Or is there more to this race at Inverell than  appears?

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« 2014-Jan-01, 07:38 PM Reply #65 »
Actually, I think it's the perfect example of a trainer setting a horse for a race and making sure he gets a huge price. Good on him I say :beer: Pity I didn't have more on and trust my gut :mad:

First start.....ridden quiet, should have won. Straight into the black book

Next start, ridden aggressively, driving forward and collapsed

Next start, ridden correctly....and quietly it rattled home at a huge price but didn't get the money

so, what happens next start??? You would think it was ridden correctly and that being quietly....nup  :lol:  led and collapsed again


today, gets the suck run in behind the stable mate, peels out off it's heels and salutes at $51  :lol:


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« 2014-Jan-02, 06:53 PM Reply #66 »


On the face of what is reported -- this looks like a case of insider trading

The stewards should be alert to the possibility that connections are managing a horses performance to their own advantage.

Was this horse a genuine contender in its recent races -- was it run to perform at its best -- did those that won at long odds also bet the horse to win at its other recent starts?

These questions are relevant to the image of integrity  -- or not -- that racing wants to present
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« 2014-Jan-03, 09:57 AM Reply #67 »

"How in the world, in the face of the current damaging Ponzi scheme fiasco our industry is facing, could you possibly think it's OK to reappoint the guy in charge of industry integrity?"

                                         - email from Nic Columb to Premier Denis Napthine

Denis did not reply.  We suspect he is seeking advice from Bernie about how to shove a duck.



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« 2014-Jan-05, 08:27 AM Reply #68 »
No questions asked by the stewards in regards to the turn around in Barley Lover. Nothing to see here time to move on :chin:
Then again, it doesn't surprise given they are bush stewards

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« 2014-Jan-09, 08:26 AM Reply #69 »
I see that Wonderful Jester reversed it's poor form to smash a bush field the other day. of course, it was the medium of a plunge  :lol:

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« 2014-Jan-26, 03:45 PM Reply #70 »
Mmm, we all know that a lot of these girls like to sit very quiet on their steeds and that is often a strength on a free going  horse but Ms R Jamieson certainly took it to a new level on Denmark Hill in the 2nd at Doomben during the week.
Obviously the stewards thought it was ok to tail off and not shake the thing up till the 220m after spotting the leaders 10 lengths

Got onto heels late which gave her another excuse to grab hold
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« 2014-Mar-23, 08:03 AM Reply #71 »
Race 3 at the Sandown Lakeside yesterday deserves to go into this thread -looked all over a boat race for mine.

 Winner( Angola) was backed from $7 into $5 - favourite (Pentometer)eases from $2.80 to $3.70- winner in the first 4 at the 600M with an enormous gap between the horse running 4th and the rest of the field. Needless to say the favourite and the 3rd favourite(Beliveau) were back in the second half of the field. Favourite runs on all too late for 3rd.

All this is not quite as bad as the infamous Randwick victory by Madam Nash on the 8th June 2013,as both the favourite and 3rd favourite were backmarkers, but the race still warrants its place here.


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« 2014-Mar-23, 08:20 AM Reply #72 »
I backed Beliveau. It had no hope from where it was but was heavily backed itself. In his case he was a victim of circumstance, I believe. The rides of the jocks on the 2nd division never took them into the race. Very odd

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« 2014-Mar-23, 08:22 AM Reply #73 »
hmmmmm,

I well remember a certain ex top stable jockey used to do this sort of thing all the time mid week - it eventually led to him becoming the ex top jockey of course...

Fours
ps 3rd place and 4th place were the common result... gained after all chance of winning was gone.... by then asking the horse for an effort. The stats of course gave him up in the end.

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« 2014-Mar-23, 08:41 AM Reply #74 »
ianb
You found a few yesterday were smelling. Totally agree with your following comment on the Brissy racing thread

"Mr Smith and Ms Richardson could/should be in real trouble for the run of that old pensioner Raeburn yesterday. Stewards inquiry adjourned to a date to be fixed."


It was hooked, pure and simple. Maybe they can use the D. Browne defense :chin:


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