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Offline westie

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O.P. « 2007-Sep-22, 08:33 AM »
For those interested I have added a new site to the Links page.  Sportscolour own and operate the Equitime System which provides sectional split times for each horse live in running from Metropolitan Melbourne and Sydney race tracks.

Choose a venue from below to view reports from the previous 5 meetings.  NB: Registration no longer required.

Equitime is an invention of Dorian Industries Pty. Ltd. (ACN 004 834 397)(Patent Pending).
 
View here or at links page:   Sports Colour tv

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« 2007-Sep-22, 09:32 AM Reply #1 »
Nice find .... thanks Westie  8-)

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« 2007-Oct-20, 07:59 PM Reply #2 »
Caulfield Cup Day Sectionals from Sportscolour Pty Ltd

Finish Split Times Sectionals
race 1   race 2   race 3   race 4   race 5   race 6   race 7   race 8   race 9   race 10  

Runner Sectional Rates
race 1   race 2   race 3   race 4   race 5   race 6   race 7   race 8   race 9   race 10  



View here or at links page:   Sports Colour tv
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Offline navajo

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« 2010-Mar-29, 12:25 PM Reply #3 »
Every week I have a look at the sectional times supplied on the TVN racing site but the last 2 weeks there has been no sectional times for the Rosehill meetings, anyone know why?

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« 2010-Mar-29, 01:08 PM Reply #4 »
Every week I have a look at the sectional times supplied on the TVN racing site but the last 2 weeks there has been no sectional times for the Rosehill meetings, anyone know why?

STC have them on their own site also pics of each finish :thumbsup:

www.stc.com.au

Offline Wenona

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« 2010-Mar-29, 01:33 PM Reply #5 »
The sectionals on the stc site seem to link back to the TVN site and it says the page is not available.

Offline lemonsars

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« 2010-Mar-29, 07:31 PM Reply #6 »
This is an STC issue the matter is with them to resolve not TVN or TRP . There are major issues with the Equitime equipment which either needs to be repaired or most likely replaced . 






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« 2010-Sep-17, 08:57 AM Reply #7 »
There has been some recent discussion on the More Joyous thread on the value (or otherwise) of sectional times.

So as not to hijack the MJ thread, let's re-invigorate this one.  I'll move some of the relevant posts to this one.

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« 2010-Sep-17, 09:14 AM Reply #8 »
Punters who work with sectional times may well be better punters than those that don't.  But that doesn't prove their relative advantage comes from the STs, per se.  IMO, it's more likely due to their better knowledge of current form.

Individual sectional times tell us things that get us excited: horse A ran his last 400 in 1.23 sec faster than Horse B, even though Horse B won the race etc.  That's all fine, and applies to the particular race, run at the particulat speed, on that track, under those track conditions, etc.  Those horses might never meet again.  If they do, it's likely that the variables will all be different (distance, track, etc).

To me, the law of diminishing returns comes in quite early when one considers the amount of effort we can go to in collecting (and analysing) sectional times.  And as mentioned elsewhere, the trick is to get STs that are accurate.  Anyone can kid themselves that they can get accurate times from watching a video, but the reality is they'll have errors of at least 1 sec either way.  The only STs that are potentially accurate are those generated by the chip technology used on the southern metro tracks.  (I understand they, too, have had technical issues from time to time.)

I'm happy to work with the overall time of the race, and then with the knowledge that horse X gave the winner 4 lengths from the 600, but got beaten just 1 length.  That information alone - coupled with an opinion as to the abilities of the horses involved - is all that's needed for future form analysis.

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« 2010-Sep-17, 06:02 PM Reply #9 »
I think the proliferation of the views that weight doesn't matter and sectional times are of the utmost significance is the best thing to happen in the punt for thirty years.
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Offline shaun

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« 2010-Sep-17, 06:08 PM Reply #10 »
Paul Joice stated that Centennial Park put in the fastest 400 of the day at its last start.
on that basis,looks good value tomorrow. :chin:

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« 2010-Sep-17, 06:13 PM Reply #11 »
I always think about  the Sydney stayer from a few years back (can't remember it's name) that would always get back and reel off outstanding last 600m's. It invariably started short next run and did the same thing ...... over and over again.

I always wondered how he could ever win another race when he couldn't win running the fastest last 600 of the day every week but didn't have the capacity to take up any kind of closer position in the run.


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« 2010-Sep-17, 06:15 PM Reply #12 »
there was one who used to suck me in all the time doing that...Blazing Steel. :mad:  :lol:

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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:08 PM Reply #13 »
I always think about  the Sydney stayer from a few years back (can't remember it's name) that would always get back and reel off outstanding last 600m's. It invariably started short next run and did the same thing ...... over and over again.

I always wondered how he could ever win another race when he couldn't win running the fastest last 600 of the day every week but didn't have the capacity to take up any kind of closer position in the run.



is the horse you are thinking of from about 10 yrs ago, used to get about 6 lengths of the last horse..

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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:12 PM Reply #14 »
My idea of punting heaven is to be able to watch a race with the actual SPEED of the leader/s shown on the screen. 

Speed could be expressed in any of a number of ways by km/h would be adequate. 

There are two figures we want: the current speed, and the cumulative speed from the jump.

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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:20 PM Reply #15 »
went through a period where the leaders 400m splits were shown - like honkers - helps in run punting for sure

there is a vast array of racecallers ability to judge pace -

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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:23 PM Reply #16 »
A split for every furlong would be ideal DD,

Most staying races, in Sydney, are run at about 12.8 - 13 to the furlong, well they used to be, when we had a stayer racing.

He would normally go out at about 12.3 - 12.4 to the furlong.

We took him to Rosehill one day, and he led them by 15 - 20, but wasn't going any quicker than when he used to lead them by only a couple here in Brisbane.

It took a Brisbane Cup winner to beat him.

Early sectionals, especially in staying races, are more important, than the last 600m as far as I am concerned

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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:29 PM Reply #17 »
Well, maybe.  But ya end up with a lot of data in ya face.  I'm thinking about when we're watching the race live.

IMO, the two speeds mentioned is all ya want, e.g. currently 63 km/h, from the jump 61 km/h.  Ya'd know then there's gonna be a sprint home and Reizarb is in bother   :lol:  .

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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:32 PM Reply #18 »
lol

Does, km/h mean anything to the racing astute, everything is in furlongs, where I am from :)

If one is going 10 to the furlong at the beginning of a staying race, you can give your ticket away    :biggrin:  

what does 63km/h equate to in seconds to the furlong  :sweat:

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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:34 PM Reply #19 »

there is a vast array of racecallers ability to judge pace -

that i really like! :thumbsup:

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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:34 PM Reply #20 »
MagiC, I said speed can be expressed in various ways.  Just grabbed km/h since the horses run around 1 km a minute.

Maybe secs per 100m is another way.  Your idea is fine, too.

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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:36 PM Reply #21 »
Well, 200m is .2 of a Km, so .......

(.2/63)*3600seconds = 11.4286 seconds per 200m


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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:38 PM Reply #22 »
12 sec to the furlong is very close to 60 km/h (or 1 km/min).

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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:41 PM Reply #23 »
It's just that, working with horse's in the racing industry, everything is done in Furlongs ......

I don't even know why, how long have we been metric for  :chin:

I remember when I was a youngster following the old man around at the track in the early mornings, and I always thought 5 and 2 was 500m's, and 200m's  :stop:

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« 2010-Oct-17, 08:27 AM Reply #24 »
Family horse was running at Newcastle yesterday in a 1300m BM65.  At the 600m he was about 20 lengths off the leader, finally running 2nd last beaten 3.9 lengths.  The last 600m sectional time was 35.74.  Any thoughts on what our blokes sectional would have been?


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