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Offline Peter Mair

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O.P. « 2017-Oct-07, 05:40 PM »


Spring sprung early  this year in Melbourne

As noted a while back, I am headed to France later this month to 'be away' from the MN spring 'carnival' which is usually sprung in November --  with 'Cup Day' itself particularly notorious for bad racing.

Even so it seems the MN spring has been sprung earlier this year  -- what happened today at Flemington was a self-evident disgrace in terms of races not running true to form.

The material is there for an exercise in creative writing for the faithful -- the 'worst' 6 of the 9 F4 dividends averaged more than $15,000 and the quadrella paid some $17,000.

.............and that followed a usual poor performance at the VOT last night when, even with fields of 10, the F4's averaged $2.000 [to say nothing of the 60k F4 dividend and 40k early quadrella.]


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« 2017-Oct-07, 05:58 PM Reply #1 »
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« 2017-Oct-07, 08:02 PM Reply #2 »


I agree gunner,

The option was open to say something useful and you submitted the usual brief, personal application for an RVL board position.

Very few TAB punters will be happy with what happened at Flemington today -- and they know that no RFVL board members will do or say anything to explain it, risking a charge of 'disrepute'.

This cannot go on -- among others RVL needs ideas about saving the business, not least from a NSW takeover.

One clear clue is that 'inflated fields' cause problems -- possibly the congestion of 'too many' forces favoured runners to go forward too early, leaving them vulnerable to being run over late.

Whatever -- gunner -- it is unlikely that you had a good day punting in MN today  -- and that goes for all the other suckers that got ripped.

Just being a dunce does not make a useful contribution -- your essay is marked 'try harder'.

 


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« 2017-Oct-08, 07:52 AM Reply #3 »
You are just the complete fool aren't you. Thank you for your concern but I can assure you I had a lovely winning day at Flemington. I generally back two or three horses in a Race. Yesterday I Bet in seven races (not the first , a mob of unraced two year olds or the Winx procession.) I found three winners - Bring Me Roses, Now or Later and Amelie's Star. I Also found place getters such as Sold for Song, Johnny Vinko, Grand Duke of Tuscany, Wyndspelle and St Valorem. It isn't hard to win on the punt. You just have to be prepared to do
the form, view free videos (which you just found out about ) and most importantly look for value. Like most things in life, application goes a long way.

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« 2017-Oct-08, 10:06 AM Reply #4 »
You are just the complete fool aren't you. Thank you for your concern but I can assure you I had a lovely winning day at Flemington. I generally back two or three horses in a Race. Yesterday I Bet in seven races (not the first , a mob of unraced two year olds or the Winx procession.) I found three winners - Bring Me Roses, Now or Later and Amelie's Star. I Also found place getters such as Sold for Song, Johnny Vinko, Grand Duke of Tuscany, Wyndspelle and St Valorem. It isn't hard to win on the punt. You just have to be prepared to do
the form, view free videos (which you just found out about ) and most importantly look for value. Like most things in life, application goes a long way.

Spot on Gun but the funny thing is the bloke actually did some form but wasn't clever enough to realise or convert it  :lol:

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« 2017-Oct-08, 10:10 AM Reply #5 »


One clear clue is that 'inflated fields' cause problems -- possibly the congestion of 'too many' forces favoured runners to go forward too early, leaving them vulnerable to being run over late.


Wow Pete, so close to doing a form analysis like so many winners do. You nearly applied a speed map to the races and anyone with half an ounce of get up and go would have found Amelie's Star yesterday, based on exactly what you were decrying. A rolled God Special :clap2:
Time for you to devote time to form rather than nonsense pot shots from the sidelines that are more often than not proven wrong :bulb:

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« 2017-Oct-09, 06:40 AM Reply #6 »

Why does racing in Hong Kong run true to form?

Looking for good examples of racing administration, I was tempted by two 'offers' of tips for ShaTin yesterday -- see below.

I duly picked two runners in both legs of the quadrella, helped by the Racenet form guide and TAB prices, set the TV recorder and watched the tape after the last.

The races were run on both grass and dirt, had fields of about 10, and the result pleasing.

When the new board for RVL is selected it may be in the interests of punters if the first trip abroad was hosted by the HKJC.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/sha-tin-tips-for-sunday-20171008

https://racingbitch.wordpress.com/2017/10/07/the-nudge-nudge-winx-winx-issue-for-sunday-at-sha-tin/

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« 2017-Oct-09, 07:27 AM Reply #7 »
I suggest you didn't pay too much attention to the facts again. :thumbsd:
6 of the 10 races had capacity fields of 14. :chin:

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« 2017-Oct-09, 08:24 AM Reply #8 »


Thank you wily

I did not like to say that there were races run fairly with big fields -- perhaps that is something RVL can study.

There must be a reason why the results of races run in Melbourne are routinely contrary to the market expectation.

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« 2017-Oct-09, 11:48 AM Reply #9 »
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There must be a reason why the results of races run in Melbourne are routinely contrary to the market expectation.

That's because the talent pool is deep and even and most people being incapable of doing form

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« 2017-Oct-11, 09:33 PM Reply #10 »

Death wish: are Victorian punters slow or never learners?

Today was illustrative of 'something' going wrong in Victoria.

Victorian punters bet some $ 375k on the quadrella which, delivering the usual random results paid $11.5 k  -- NSW punters bet some 20% of that  for an $8k dividend.

In NSW the quadrella pool was 100 k, as was the VicTAB pool on SY races, and the dividend was, as usual, a more predictable $800 to $1,000.

.........on the face of it, Vctorian punters continue to overbet in general and to overbet on local races -- even while knowing that they will be ripped.

There is a problem with 'local loyalties' and 'nothing to do' more generally.


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« 2017-Oct-12, 07:23 AM Reply #11 »
Death wish: are Victorian punters slow or never learners?

Victorian punters bet some $ 375k on the quadrella which, delivering the usual random results paid $11.5 k  -- NSW punters bet some 20% of that  for an $8k dividend.


You're the slow learner.
The F4 & Quaddies divvies that you squeal about are exactly what punters want :bulb:

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« 2017-Oct-12, 07:38 PM Reply #12 »

Another shocker looms for the punters this Saturday

The program at Randwick has 10 races of which 4 are not 'restricted' class events --  the quadrella has been spoiled by making R10 a benchmark 80 'raffle' race over 1000m with 14 starters.

The gross waste of money will ensure the main race gets attention but it also looks like a raffle for punters and should not be a big betting race -- nor should any of the others.

The program at Caulfield is superficially more attractive with mainly black-type races to be run.

The main problem there is the usual one of inflated fields on a tight track -- too many starters in most to allow a fair race --  and the padding out of fields with no-hopers that should not be there.

The post-mortem on Sunday will be a tale of woe for most TAB punters.



 

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« 2017-Oct-12, 08:40 PM Reply #13 »
I have got a feeling I have read this rubbish before. Does he just stick it in every Thursday night to annoy those with some grey matter.
Probably should just go the "Big House " and play roulette and bet on black or red. Seems like all his "intelligence" is capable of computing.

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« 2017-Oct-13, 12:13 AM Reply #14 »
Pete I am sure the punters who got the Quaddie at Wyong today will be celebrating for a week........it paid $10............maybe even someone as uninformed as you could have fluked it???? That is what you are preaching the Punters want.........can't you see you are just being silly?? Anyone who takes a Quaddie by definition are buying a Lotto ticket.....there would not be a single quaddie taker who isn't hoping for a big priced winner in at least one leg..........Brain dead the lot of them but that is another story, the point is they are looking for big wins for a relatively small outlay......they don't want Winx etc to be in a leg of the quaddie

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« 2017-Oct-13, 08:39 AM Reply #15 »

The tale of two cities at war continues

The form guide in the SMH this morning ran to some 20 pages -- 10 were devoted to Randwick and 3.5 pages of 'potted' form for Caulfield -- and the other 6.5 pages were essentially wasted.

Presumably RNSW call the shots about what gets in the paper but this is real dog-in-the-manger stuff.

Even worse was the contrived applause on SKYTV Form for the 'wonderful back-up program' at Randwick -- that is 6 of the other 9 races being low-grade.

The compromised integrity of the media is a very sad complement to the state v. state cartoon play  lifted from Mad magazine.

Equally fanciful is the claimed 'prospect' of a crowd of some 35,000+++ at Randwick -- a venue not designed for any attendance of consequence.

The best prospect for a bet is Caulfield -- subject to the usual caveat of inflated fields wrecking the results.


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« 2017-Oct-13, 10:15 AM Reply #16 »
Today's herald form guide is an embarrassment to RNSW.
How benchmark and highway racing can be promoted over G1 racing is utterly ridiculous.
Spare a thought for Adelaide........not worthy of anything.

Won't work with me because my attention will be Caulfield and I live in NSW.

This type of bully boy stuff won't work.....can't work and nor should it.

Reminds me of Masters versus Bunnings.......polished concrete floors  and glossy advertising doesn't mean a lot to people who just want to fix something.

The $49.00 punters pack is just treating people as fools as well.

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« 2017-Oct-13, 11:07 AM Reply #17 »
im certain the Melbourne papers are full of NSW racing .

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« 2017-Oct-13, 11:18 AM Reply #18 »
Pete the definition of an idiot is "someone who continues to do the same thing repeatedly expecting a different result" you continue to bang the same drum, not only are you wrong, no one cares what you think( most don't think you do think) you are having Zero effect on anyone's opinion, in short you keep getting the same result! even if you were the only one who was right you are not having your desired effect on anyone else.........if you keep wasting your time doing that........guess what that makes you??

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« 2017-Oct-13, 11:20 AM Reply #19 »
And Pete....only Neanderthals buy Newspapers these days!

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« 2017-Oct-13, 12:50 PM Reply #20 »
I was in Victoria, albeit a good few years ago around Golden Slipper time, and that got  plenty of coverage.

This seems to have taken things to an all time low.

There is not even one Vic. racing story in the guide, a week out from probably Australia's second or third most famous race.

This selfish greed will never work.


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« 2017-Oct-13, 04:53 PM Reply #21 »
And Pete....only Neanderthals buy Newspapers these days!

Don't forget get his feigned shock horror about the TV guide  :lol:  what a crack up

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« 2017-Oct-13, 04:56 PM Reply #22 »
I was in Victoria, albeit a good few years ago around Golden Slipper time, and that got  plenty of coverage.

This seems to have taken things to an all time low.

There is not even one Vic. racing story in the guide, a week out from probably Australia's second or third most famous race.

This selfish greed will never work.

Mate, not sure if they are doing it deliberately but geez, try and watch an NRL game or read about  it in a Melb newspaper .
Thinks it was Dave Hayes on Th radio today who commented that interest in Melb in the Everest was quite low
Frankly the vics are reaping what they sow

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« 2017-Oct-13, 09:15 PM Reply #23 »
I was in Victoria, albeit a good few years ago around Golden Slipper time, and that got  plenty of coverage.

This seems to have taken things to an all time low.

There is not even one Vic. racing story in the guide, a week out from probably Australia's second or third most famous race.

This selfish greed will never work.

I've been in Melbourne for Cup week numerous times and it always seems like the back 9 pages were of AFL - in November!


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« 2017-Oct-14, 05:11 PM Reply #24 »


The state of the races correctly called  a disgrace before they are run

Someone should call the cops!

Truly disgraceful displays of mal-administration of racing in Victoria -- week after week, and again today.

Does no one take any responsibility for what predictably happens when fields are overcrowded?

Does no one see what happens in the course of the races being run with overcrowded fields?

Does no one understand the message written in the TAB dividends when races are unfairly run?


This was the prognosis:

Another shocker looms for the punters this Saturday

The program at Randwick has 10 races of which 4 are not 'restricted' class events --  the quadrella has been spoiled by making R10 a benchmark 80 'raffle' race over 1000m with 14 starters. [CORRECT]

The gross waste of money will ensure the main race gets attention [CORRECT] but it also looks like a raffle for punters and should not be a big betting race -- nor should any of the others.

The program at Caulfield is superficially more attractive with mainly black-type races to be run.

The main problem there is the usual one of inflated fields on a tight track -- too many starters in most to allow a fair race --  and the padding out of fields with no-hopers that should not be there [CORRECT].

The post-mortem on Sunday will be a tale of woe for most TAB punters.[CORRECT]



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