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Offline Peter Mair

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O.P. « 2019-Jun-04, 10:22 PM »

SPY v. SPY:  NSW v. Victoria -- the penny has not dropped at RVL

While RNSW is running riot stealing the spring racing 'carnival' from Racing Victoria --  RVL administrators do not understand what has happened and why.

RVL still thinks it has a mortgage on the spring racing calendar.

Consider this nonsense:

“We’ve got a fantastic spring carnival in Melbourne - it’s recognised as one of the best racing carnivals in the world so I’m not surprised they’re trying to get a piece of that action.”

Once were warriors, once were unbeatable -- what the hell happened?

The cup-week carnival is now a complete no-go arena for any sensible punter -- 'cup-day' would be one of the most 'best-avoided' days on the racing calendar.

Week in and week out the greed of inflated-field racing in Victoria makes a mockery of what was once the most valuable racing franchise in the world.

..... these days, Victorian metropolitan racing ranks with the rank nonsense of racing in Queensland and South Australia and is very likely to follow those states over the cliff of irrelevance.


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« 2019-Jun-05, 11:17 AM Reply #1 »
Peter, at least half the people who attend the MRC , MVRC & VRC Spring Carnivals do not go to punt, they go for the party atmosphere that goes with the racing, the fashions, the horses, regardless of their championship quality, the business networking etc. You, like myself and most of the members of this forum, would not particularly fit into any of those categories however, regardless of the quality of the horseflesh the once-a-year punter, will still attend , somewhat similar to those diehards who will roll up to any AFL game at the MCG every week during the football season.

Living in Melbourne ,I know, once the football is over, racing takes centre stage for those 3-4 weeks then hibernates for another year.

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« 2019-Jun-05, 08:31 PM Reply #2 »

Bubba is right on the money -- but,

The Melbourne social set seems to have money to burn -- as they do over the spring, especially in cup week.

Alas that still leaves the rest of the year -- and the lemming-like behaviour that seems to lead a hard-core of addicted dopes to keep kicking the tin, knowing they will be robbed.

I have previously addressed the irrational inclination of Melbournians to 'attend anything' -- a proclivity that is most evident with the AFL (and then cup week) but, more lazily, also reflects in their betting on racing week-in-week-out with no prospect of  getting a fair run for their money.

The 'attend anything' affliction in Melbourne is deep seated  -- one only has to read the 'classifieds' in the Age to see requests for only those who knew the deceased to attend the wakes.


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« 2019-Jun-05, 10:05 PM Reply #3 »
Peter, unlike most other Australian capital cities Melbourne has not only racing and AFL to keep the local sporting addicts happy but it has the Australian Grand Prix, the Australian OpenTennis, the Presidents  Cup, the Motor GP, the Boxing Day Test, the World Hopscotch championship, the Victorian Lawn Bowls Title, the Metropolitam Tenpin Bowling title, I could go on but even if racing falls away after the Spring Carnival there are plenty of other sporting events for sporting fans.

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« 2019-Jun-11, 02:16 PM Reply #4 »


RVL 'on the ropes' and weaving a tangled web


The racing media are reporting some childish remarks of RVL about RNSW.

RVL just does not get it -- the world has moved on and this assessment is now plain nonsense:

The Melbourne Cup is the most important race in Australia. It's the most important staying race in the world and ..............

The Cup no longer appeals to me and nor does the rest of the 'cup carnival' which is wrecked by inflated fields and a faux 'black type' support programs.

At RVL .......Giles (next-please) Thompson presiding over the train-wreck has not been listening to the call for product quality management.

"It is one of the best carnivals in the world, created over many decades, and I am not hearing anyone saying it's broken, not even Peter,"

"I disagree that there is complacency with the spring carnival. It is not a history that shows complacency. We have to continue to grow and invest in that and I don't think there is complacency.

"We need to be careful we aren't eating ourselves, and for us to compete effectively we have to address the broader threats to the industry.


Give us back a proper carnival.

Meantime RNSW has finally realized that, in Sydney, it rains in autumn and not in spring.

RNSW will just takeover the presentation of sensibly relevant racing in the Spring -- and leave RVL in its wake before the wake.

...... as is, I cannot see RVL as other than a waste of space.

Where is Rob Hines!

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« 2019-Jun-11, 03:49 PM Reply #5 »
Peter, unlike most other Australian capital cities Melbourne has not only racing and AFL to keep the local sporting addicts happy but it has the Australian Grand Prix, the Australian OpenTennis, the Presidents  Cup, the Motor GP, the Boxing Day Test, the World Hopscotch championship, the Victorian Lawn Bowls Title, the Metropolitam Tenpin Bowling title, I could go on but even if racing falls away after the Spring Carnival there are plenty of other sporting events for sporting fans.

and here they are


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« 2019-Jun-11, 04:27 PM Reply #6 »
Disappointing comments by Amanda Elliott.

She should be removed from her position.

Imagine the outcry if roles were reversed and PVL said that about her.

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« 2019-Jun-11, 04:34 PM Reply #7 »
JWH, that video you posted of Hopscotch was only on the qualifying first round in the USA, the later rounds were held in Melbourne.  :lol:   :lol:

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« 2019-Jun-11, 08:39 PM Reply #8 »


An obscenity -- more money does not buy credibility

Melbourne Cup prizemoney will be boosted to a record $8 million for this year's race as Victorian racing officials took a swipe at their NSW counterparts.

An RVL, out of control and floundering, needs a complete overhaul -- the administrators, the board and the implied political endorsement.

Down -Down is not just a motto for Coles and Wollworths -- RVL has gone over a cliff.


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« 2019-Jun-11, 09:31 PM Reply #9 »
The quality of horses is not there for two conflicting spring carnivals. Racing NSW has money to burn and trying to give back to the participants.

Part of the issue for RVL is two fold.

NSW has 10% POC while Victoria has 8%. Big difference in real terms.

Racing.com is another issue. How much is RVL making or losing on it? If Qld and WA jump on the bandwagon, it will be a good deal. I would also convince Tasmania and NT to come on board too for novelty and encourage more wagering.

The Everest will never go away but not sure what the crowds will be for the 2nd and 3rd years of the new races.

Eposm Day last year failed to get a decent crowd with 3G1s. Marketing for the traditional G1races in Sydney is almost non existent.

Vlandys has changed the racing landscape across the country. One of his biggest NSW success stories has been the Country and Provincial Championship plus the Kosciusko.

RVL needs to up all the Spring Carnival prizemoney and hit back during the autumn especially if they have a 2yo sprint and 3yo middle distance race around the Championship time especially if they have a $5M tag around it. If they threw a bonus around winning a spring carnival G1 race too, it will make life more interesting with the ATC.


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« 2019-Jun-11, 10:56 PM Reply #10 »

Heart-thinking not head-thinking -- these views are nutz


If Qld and WA jump on the bandwagon, it will be a good deal. I would also convince Tasmania and NT to come on board too for novelty and encourage more wagering.

One of his biggest NSW success stories has been the Country and Provincial Championship plus the Kosciusko.

Can anyone imagine the shemozzle if r.c tried to cover 4 states -- I would encourage this plan so that 2KSKY 528 was free to broadcast the only relevant racing on Saturdays in Sydney.

RNSW has to pander to the rural racing lobby for political reasons -- the road from the Highways to Kosciuszko is a cop-out funding rubbish racing on Saturdays.

...... it is odds on that the jeunndiced one is a Victorian.


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« 2019-Jun-12, 10:02 AM Reply #11 »
Feud goes little too far
GILBERT GARDINER MATT JONES
INFURIATED Victoria Racing Club chair Amanda Elliott turned a bubbling feud with Racing NSW into a bonfire yesterday describing CEO Peter V’landys as a “silly little man making silly decisions”.
Elliott’s stinging personal attack was in response to Racing NSW announcing a $45 million prizemoney boost last week to lure the best horses and jockeys to Sydney during Melbourne’s famed spring carnival.
“We actually do have a national responsibility to the sport of racing in Australia,” Elliott told RSN.
“We all know that we have geographic boundaries that sometimes gets a bit pushed and pulled and we’re all doing our best for our own jurisdictions, but at the end of the day, the Australian racing industry is the one we care about.
“So this kind of singleminded determination to knock off Victoria just infuriates me to be honest.
“I think it’s just a silly little man making silly decisions. I mean we all understand how important prizemoney is, don’t get me wrong. But at the end of the day, racing is about so much more than prizemoney.”
A disappointed V’Landys took umbrage at the “cheap shots” yesterday but refused to be drawn into a slanging match with Elliott.
It’s understood Elliott later called V’landys to apologise for her comments.
“I never resort to personal abuse about someone’s appearance,” V’landys said.
“I always do my best to play the ball, not the player.
“It’s a comment she’s made that she’s got to live with. Someone’s appearance and self-esteem is out of bounds for me and I’m not going to criticise her because I’d be a hypocrite if I did.”
Racing Victoria announced yesterday that the Melbourne Cup would be worth $8 million from this year, an increase of $700,000.
V’landys cheekily suggested those involved in the racing industry in Victoria should be thankful he and his team at Racing NSW are introducing more prizemoney to the sport in their state.
“The Victorian participants should be thanking NSW because without us, all the millions of dollars in prizemoney increases in Victoria wouldn’t have happened,” he said.
“The Melbourne Cup and Cox Plate hadn’t moved up in prizemoney for years.”
ENDS

Egos  on display here  some unparliamentary language infighting where will it end she apologised and V'Landys in front again .

Giddy Up :beer:




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« 2019-Jun-12, 10:19 AM Reply #12 »
Well played PVL :clap2:

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« 2019-Jun-13, 12:29 PM Reply #13 »

RVL's new plans -- will they include running fair races?



For starters -- why is the Victorian Racing minister talking directly to the RNSW CEO and not the NSW Minister? -- his priority should be directing a next-please revolution at RVL to restore its franchise.

Unless RVL is prepared to restore a commitment to 'fair racing' in its business plan -- it wont matter what RVL does or how much it spends.

Stop delivering the rubbish racing that is now RVL's staple offering, including at the carnivorous-carnivals that convert most punters wagering budgets into pool-plunder for syndicates.

The following serving of pious and threatening clap-trap needs to be filed under 'return to sender'.

“Racing needs to work cooperatively to grow the product for everybody.

“If it’s everybody to the barricades and every man and woman for themselves then Victoria is well placed to participate in that kind of adventure, and we will if we have to.

“But we’ve got to be very careful about not going past the tipping point in trying to fund an ongoing arms race.

“Competition is like most things – everything is good up until a point and then there is a point where you can get a diminishing rate of return.

“This is not just about Victoria versus NSW - this is (about) racing versus other forms of entertainment.”

With NSW having a beefed up spring racing focus, Pakula says Victoria has fresh spring plans of its own to unleash.

“I think you will find that Racing Victoria will have more to say in the next days and weeks and we will get on and run a magnificent spring racing carnival in Victoria … and NSW can do as it sees fit,” Pakula said.

“I don’t want to jump the gun but it would be fair to assume you haven’t heard the last from Racing Victoria on what its plans are for the spring."

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« 2019-Jun-13, 04:40 PM Reply #14 »

Heart-thinking not head-thinking -- these views are nutz


If Qld and WA jump on the bandwagon, it will be a good deal. I would also convince Tasmania and NT to come on board too for novelty and encourage more wagering.

One of his biggest NSW success stories has been the Country and Provincial Championship plus the Kosciusko.

Can anyone imagine the shemozzle if r.c tried to cover 4 states -- I would encourage this plan so that 2KSKY 528 was free to broadcast the only relevant racing on Saturdays in Sydney.

RNSW has to pander to the rural racing lobby for political reasons -- the road from the Highways to Kosciuszko is a cop-out funding rubbish racing on Saturdays.

...... it is odds on that the jeunndiced one is a Victorian.



PM, not a Victorian but a realist.

I am surprised that racing authorities have not signed you up for your views to improve racing.

Having a balanced viewpoint as yourself is a must for racing to go ahead in the country.

I am pretty sure if you were in charge, racing will go ahead in leaps and bounds in this country and be a world leader.

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« 2019-Jun-13, 07:00 PM Reply #15 »
  :lol:   :lol:  :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

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« 2019-Jun-13, 08:13 PM Reply #16 »


.. ....thanks boys -- just keep kicking the RVL tin -- misuse the money you win on Sydney Saturday meetings.

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« 2019-Jun-13, 08:29 PM Reply #17 »


Get Myopic -- Victorian racing is on the ropes.

Victorian racing administrators think the racing game is about 'money' -- it is -- not wasting money betting on the deliberately unfair racing run in Melbourne.

The Victorian person with the door saying  'minister for racing' thinks it is about raising the takeout from punters.

He seems to not comprehend that the 'takeout' for most punters is already 100% -- because the 'inflated field' races run in Melbourne are deliberately unfair.

Did the guy say this -- If the return to punters starts to drop off -- it has already hit the deck!

The following is just more tripe:

"It's not out of the question the Point Of Consumption Tax may rise and give better revenue outcomes to the industry, but you have to be a bit judicious about that".

"If the return to punters starts to drop off, you may have less wagering and you may end up with no great benefit at all.

"We have the lowest POC of the major racing jurisdictions, but there's been some revenue consequences for the industry as a result of that."
 

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« 2019-Jun-13, 08:52 PM Reply #18 »
Peter, are you currently unemployed?

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« 2019-Jun-14, 09:32 AM Reply #19 »
Tax boost for racing’s turf war
RUSSELL GOULD

RECORD levels of prizemoney in Victorian racing could be boosted further by a potential rise in the same tax that is fuelling the Racing NSW spending spree.

But while Racing Minister Martin Pakula hinted at an increase when the point of consumption tax is reviewed, Racing Victoria is already budgeting on its response to the $45 million NSW splurge.

Armed with nearly double the funds Victorian racing receives from the point of consumption tax, a state tax on revenue from all bets laid, Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys has embarked on a bold growth mission which has significantly encroached on the Melbourne spring carnival.

The $14 million Everest at Randwick, the world’s richest race on turf, has been moved to Caulfield Cup day and the new $7.5 million Golden Eagle will run at Rosehill on Victoria Derby day.

This week Victoria Racing Club announced its own prizemoney increase for the Melbourne Cup, taking it to $8 million.

Further announcements about not just the Melbourne spring carnival but also the Victorian racing program are also expected, and more prizemoney boosts are likely.

“We are currently undertaking our annual planning and budgeting for the 2019-20 season and any changes or enhancements would be announced in due course,” a Racing Victoria spokesperson said.

But the flagged changes to the point of consumption tax, which came in to force on January 1, could boost funds going to the racing industry and have other flow-on effects.

“The government has committed to a review of the point of consumption tax prior to December 2020 and we’ll be actively engaged to ensure that the best outcomes are achieved for Victorian racing,” the RV spokesperson said.

Victorian has the lowest point of consumption tax rate at 8 per cent of revenue from wagers and bets laid, with 1.5 per cent of that going back to the racing industry.

But of that 1.5 per cent, the Victorian industry also covers the difference between the previous tax paid by TAB operators and the new tax.


So PVL is not that smarter than RVL, it just punters in NSW are taxed more on the POC Tax. :thumbsd: :thumbsd:
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« 2019-Jun-14, 11:31 AM Reply #20 »


My current employment

                         ........ seems like full time, with broom and shovel cleaning up after wily.

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« 2019-Jun-14, 01:08 PM Reply #21 »
Au contraire you poor fool.  :lol:
There’s only one person around here who deals in lies, half truths, misrepresentations and self interest. Peter Mair is his name  :bulb:
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« 2019-Jun-14, 03:16 PM Reply #22 »


You liked my -- au contraire -- intro from 31 May -- looked up the meaning, copied my lead: flattering!

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« 2019-Jun-14, 03:51 PM Reply #23 »
Now that Winner has gone and FZ has no sparring partner,although JWH could fill in for Winner, it appears Peter Mair and Wily ole dog have stepped into the ring to continue the narrative. Should I be the third man in the ring to adjudicate ? :beer:
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« 2019-Jun-14, 04:36 PM Reply #24 »

I will give it away

.......... served up looking for a hooking, it is so tempting to put them over the clock-tower.

Alas no more.


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