Author Topic: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !! (Read 233051 times)

wily ole dog · « 2014-Nov-17, 06:54 PM **Reply #25** »

Thanks guys,

sobig · « 2014-Nov-17, 07:04 PM **Reply #26** »

Quote from: Bubbasmith on 2014-Nov-17, 06:49 PM

I know that as a posted R6 but it came up as R7..go to the site and you will be able to view R6.BTW it was ridden by S Young..never heard of him.

HER name is Sophie, apprenticed to Sue Grills

Lert · « 2014-Nov-17, 08:40 PM **Reply #27** »

They have to learn somewhere.
She has won a few races recently around Coonabarabran, Moree and Armidale.

Be a while though before I will be prepared to back anything she is steering.

Jeunes · « 2014-Nov-17, 09:37 PM **Reply #28** »

Quote from: chuggers on 2014-Nov-16, 08:15 PM

OK..you are hurt ..you have brought it up a few times....maybe more than a few times...can ya bring it to a halt...or is it something more we can do to bring the PICNIC...thing to a close....I will go to a church for ya Jeunes..ifs that's what ya need....

I am in a TWIRL over the cache issue and it is no PICNIC. I am on a ROCKY ROAD with sky form along with others as the operating system is a FLAKE. The Tab should place a BOUNTY for good I.T staff. . If they don't think the sky form issues are impacting business, they must be from MARS or arriving from somewhere in the MILKY WAY as it's customers are CHERRY RIPE for the system issues to be resolved. The situation is CURLY WURLY as it is not a DREAM situation for it's customers to constantly clear the cache to access the form. The POLLY WAFFLE in the TAB not addressing the issues will see clients go somewhere else as it's rivals must be in constant SNICKERS regarding the IT situation. If they come from Turkey, it could be a TURKISH DELIGHT for it's customers when the sky issues are resolved.

I think I am slowly getting over it. But you can say a prayer for me Chuggers to hurry the process up.

VoRogue · « 2014-Nov-18, 10:16 PM **Reply #29** »

I have an issue with what is now called Sky sports radio (formerly radio 2KY) It was once a good station, but as time has passed and a tsunami of racing 7 days a week occuring, anyone without sky has no hope of getting late bets on, because you'd be blissfully unaware they were racing, as the announcer is busy reading tote dividends from the previous 4 races that had just jumped shortly beforehand. What's the bloody point of reading out tote dividends AT THE EXPENSE of hearing a live race from the jump ???

Here's a challenge to anyone, Philby included. Listen to Sky racing radio on a busy race day just for ONE HOUR that has at least 8 meetings going at the one time zone (weekends have double that) and try and write down ALL THE TOTE dividends that are read out at the speed of light, and time the ratio of races played compared to the reading of tote dividends. Even sky TV are often missing the start of races, in particular trots (which really matters) I've even heard sky sports radio re-playing a horse race while another live race is on elsewhere

If it's so necessary to read out tote dividends, why not have a gap of 20 or 30 minutes daily with NO RACES, so the divs can be read out then to anyone who cares to hear them, i mean is there really any punters out there that have no other access to this info, including a phone that can ring the tab ? I pity anyone without sky and rely on sky radio for broadcasts

The TAB has basically prostituted the racing game, there's a race on every corner like a crack whore almost every minute of the day in every corner of the world, but they cant provide the proper service to punters to hear or see them LIVE AT ALL TIMES

So the racing game is actually on the game

At the casino, how come they (punters) have roughly a 4-5 minute gap between roulette wheel spins ? Yet punters wanting to take exotic bets at the races have half that time between races and sometimes have to deal with 2 or 3 races clashing and need to fill out tickets correctly or splutter out a series of numbers over the phone. I know this is insignificant to the likes of Zjelko who let their machines do the betting, but i reckon 95% of punters still bet the human way, tab phone or internet

VoRogue · « 2014-Nov-19, 05:03 PM **Reply #30** »

Hi again Philby, there's a new pox that has infected both tabcorp websites. I want to test you, to see how observant you are. Pick ANY race... horses dogs or trots that is yet to jump, and look closely at the SCRATCHINGS (there's a gigantic clue) do you notice anything strange ? All traces of this disappear once the race in question is paying out. Here's a couple of races to study that dont jump for a few hours. If this isn't fixed pronto, i'm tipping lots of punters will be putting in what they believe to be legitimate claims for unpaid dividends

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing/betting/standard/NORTHAM/Races/8/19-Nov-2014

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing/betting/standard/CRANBOURNE/Greyhounds/11/19-Nov-2014

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing/betting/standard/MILDURA/Harness/8/19-Nov-2014

Lert · « 2014-Nov-20, 08:19 PM **Reply #31** »

Why would the replays for 7 of the 8 Beaudesert races today be available on Media Centre but not race 4?

Apart from the obvious that race 4 is the only one I want!

VoRogue · « 2014-Nov-22, 09:47 AM **Reply #32** »

Hi Philby,

Can you make a call to Ray Thomas at the Daily Telegraph (the paper that Tabcorp pays to publish race fields) and ask him why there are NO TROT FIELDS AT ALL in todays edition ? For the record tabcorp are betting on SEVEN harness meetings today, including NZ at Phar Lap which has already started, the other six are tonite...Menangle, Albion Park, Cranbourne, Globe Derby, Temora and Bunbury. Numerous meetings of late at the trots have failed to be published, how come this keeps happening, and why doesnt the TAb ensure it DOESNT happen, after all, they're paying for this ?? It will certainly reduce turnover tonight. The ONLY form for trots in todays paper is Menangle, the other 6 are missing. Many gallops today missing as well, including Geraldton in WA, Roma in QLD, Toowoomba QLD, aslo Cranbourne, and Darwin. what a friggin disgrace

Why did this idiot even bother buying todays paper

I'm tipping the telegraph will be swamped with complaints on Monday, as they are uncontactable on the weekend.

VoRogue · « 2014-Nov-22, 10:59 AM **Reply #33** »

I suspect this is part of Peter V'landy's "vision" to just hammer punters with fancy form with bells and whistles like colours for all runners in all codes on all NSW meetings, because they get the revenue to pay for that fancy hotel being built at Randwick racecourse, and in the process stuff anyone who even thinks about betting in any other state, they dont matter at all

I reckon there are something like 12 meetings throughout Australia that there is no form for in the paper, even Albion Park trots and Cranbourne races

wily ole dog · « 2014-Nov-22, 02:08 PM **Reply #34** »

Just tried to place a bet on the usually reliable "lite" site.
"Betting not currently available, try again later" is the message

ratsack · « 2014-Nov-22, 06:09 PM **Reply #35** »

Quote from: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-22, 09:47 AM

Hi Philby,

Can you make a call to Ray Thomas at the Daily Telegraph (the paper that Tabcorp pays to publish race fields) and ask him why there are NO TROT FIELDS AT ALL in todays edition ? For the record tabcorp are betting on SEVEN harness meetings today, including NZ at Phar Lap which has already started, the other six are tonite...Menangle, Albion Park, Cranbourne, Globe Derby, Temora and Bunbury. Numerous meetings of late at the trots have failed to be published, how come this keeps happening, and why doesnt the TAb ensure it DOESNT happen, after all, they're paying for this ?? It will certainly reduce turnover tonight. The ONLY form for trots in todays paper is Menangle, the other 6 are missing. Many gallops today missing as well, including Geraldton in WA, Roma in QLD, Toowoomba QLD, aslo Cranbourne, and Darwin. what a friggin disgrace Why did this idiot even bother buying todays paper I'm tipping the telegraph will be swamped with complaints on Monday, as they are uncontactable on the weekend.

my tele has menagle in it

why would racing NSW want to pay for vic racing

vic racing does

all for us

i think ray thomas has a twitter , email and other accounts , dont think its philbys job to contact him

vadim · « 2014-Nov-22, 07:12 PM **Reply #36** »

Quote from: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-22, 09:47 AM

Hi Philby,

Can you make a call to Ray Thomas at the Daily Telegraph (the paper that Tabcorp pays to publish race fields) and ask him why there are NO TROT FIELDS AT ALL in todays edition ? For the record tabcorp are betting on SEVEN harness meetings today, including NZ at Phar Lap which has already started, the other six are tonite...Menangle, Albion Park, Cranbourne, Globe Derby, Temora and Bunbury. Numerous meetings of late at the trots have failed to be published, how come this keeps happening, and why doesnt the TAb ensure it DOESNT happen, after all, they're paying for this ?? It will certainly reduce turnover tonight. The ONLY form for trots in todays paper is Menangle, the other 6 are missing. Many gallops today missing as well, including Geraldton in WA, Roma in QLD, Toowoomba QLD, aslo Cranbourne, and Darwin. what a friggin disgrace Why did this idiot even bother buying todays paper I'm tipping the telegraph will be swamped with complaints on Monday, as they are uncontactable on the weekend.

Am I missing something?

ratsack · « 2014-Nov-22, 07:27 PM **Reply #37** »

Quote from: vadim on 2014-Nov-22, 07:12 PM

Am I missing something?

dont think so

ratsack · « 2014-Nov-22, 08:05 PM **Reply #38** »

Quote from: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-22, 10:59 AM

I suspect this is part of Peter V'landy's "vision" to just hammer punters with fancy form with bells and whistles like colours for all runners in all codes on all NSW meetings, because they get the revenue to pay for that fancy hotel being built at Randwick racecourse, and in the process stuff anyone who even thinks about betting in any other state

oh forgot this one

i thought that was his job

D-G · « 2014-Nov-22, 08:31 PM **Reply #39** »

Quote from: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-22, 10:59 AM

I suspect this is part of Peter V'landy's "vision" to just hammer punters with fancy form with bells and whistles like colours for all runners in all codes on all NSW meetings, because they get the revenue to pay for that fancy hotel being built at Randwick racecourse, and in the process stuff anyone who even thinks about betting in any other state, they dont matter at all I reckon there are something like 12 meetings throughout Australia that there is no form for in the paper, even Albion Park trots and Cranbourne races

Perhaps I am missing something also, but I have a few questions.

1) What power does V'landys have over what is apparently Tabcorps decision on what fields to print in the paper?
2) Why would V'landys have any interest at all in promoting the trots, if he had some magical power over Tabcorps decision on what to publish?
3) Why is V'Landys the "fall guy" for everything, despite the fact he has done so many positive things?

PoisonPen7 · « 2014-Nov-22, 08:53 PM **Reply #40** »

Quote from: D-G on 2014-Nov-22, 08:31 PM

Perhaps I am missing something also, but I have a few questions.

1) What power does V'landys have over what is apparently Tabcorps decision on what fields to print in the paper?
2) Why would V'landys have any interest at all in promoting the trots, if he had some magical power over Tabcorps decision on what to publish?
3) Why is V'Landys the "fall guy" for everything, despite the fact he has done so many positive things?

I've asked those questions in the past D-G.

He evokes a lot of hatred from the corporates because of the racefield's legislation but all he was ever doing was acting in the interests of Racing NSW.

He and Messara are outstanding advocates for racing in the state. If they can lobby Mike Baird to give them parity with Victoria on government TAB takeouts it will be yet another feather in their cap, and they have already committed to distributing the majority of any gains to prizemoney right across the state.

VoRogue · « 2014-Nov-22, 10:24 PM **Reply #41** »

I have no problem with the TAB covering extra NSW meetings, but not at the expense of formguides in the paper for interstate races, there were over 10 meetings missing from the tele today, including Cranbourne Geraldton and Roma gallops, also Darwin and Gold Coast, plus half a dozen trot meetings, yet there was a full page for Menangle trots, complete with race colours

Someone has leaned on the TAB to focus on NSW meetings in the telegraph, the lack of coverage started about the time the announcement about the Randwick hotel was in the papers and news. In case you'd forgotten V'Landys was the CEO at Harold Park trots for at least 10 years in the 90's. And Tabcorp pays the tele to publish all TAb covered race fields, not just NSW, isnt that right Philby ? Or has that suddenly changed recently

chalky · « 2014-Nov-22, 10:26 PM **Reply #42** »

The Tele is a NSW paper isn't it?

ratsack · « 2014-Nov-22, 10:34 PM **Reply #43** »

VO

focus for a minute

the TAB and racing NSW are two different entity's , try and separate them

wily ole dog · « 2014-Nov-23, 05:45 AM **Reply #44** »

Good morning folks

I think Vo is partly right, the cut back in form is bad but in saying that I think it's the racing bodies who have to pay the tele. Obviousily Harness racing NSW has paid for the form to go into the paper for what was a major meeting for them

V'Landys would have to pay to get Randwick & Newcastle in the paper

What role the TAB plays in these payments I do not know but I'd suggest it's certainly not V'landys fault theres a lack of form.

It would be interesting to see what the papers charge the industry for publishing fields

Bubbasmith · « 2014-Nov-23, 09:03 AM **Reply #45** »

It is of interest is the Australian meetings NOT covered in any way in the Melbourne Sunday Herald Sun today.

Gallops:Mackay, Grafton, Sunshine Coast, Strathalbyn, Bunbury

Trots:Fairfield, Hobart

Dogs: Wentworth Park, Canberra, Warrnambool ( a Vic meeting ) Darwin, Healesville ( names only in such small print it makes the death notices appear as headlines ), Albion Park, Gawler

Naturally none of the overseas 10 horse meetings or 4 trot meetings get a mention, only that the TAB will bet on them.

This has been the case in Melbourne for years in the Herald Sun and as for The Age it only covers one Victorian race meeting during the mid week and a Saturday guide for three Australian Metropolitan meetings, dogs & trots were dropped off years ago . You cannot blame The Age, because it is only read by chardonnay inner suburban lefties who are more concerned about reading what performance will be on at the Playbox theatre that day or where next is a public meeting being held to "Save The ABC" from those dreadful budget cuts by the government.

Jeunes · « 2014-Nov-23, 09:51 AM **Reply #46** »

Quote from: wily ole dog on 2014-Nov-23, 05:45 AM

Good morning folks

I think Vo is partly right, the cut back in form is bad but in saying that I think it's the racing bodies who have to pay the tele. Obviousily Harness racing NSW has paid for the form to go into the paper for what was a major meeting for them

V'Landys would have to pay to get Randwick & Newcastle in the paper

What role the TAB plays in these payments I do not know but I'd suggest it's certainly not V'landys fault theres a lack of form.

It would be interesting to see what the papers charge the industry for publishing fields

I will be honest and say that I buy the tele every fri to skim the form at lunch or dinner with a few mates at work as I also do like the feel of paper. I usually study the form online on Saturday.

What I don't understand is why the racing bodies don't subsidise a racing newspaper or online form guide instead of relying or paying newspapers or external parties to supply the form. I am sure if all the state racing bodies get together (maybe a pipe dream) and compare how much they pay newspapers for substandard form etc, it maybe a better financial option in the long run.

ratsack · « 2014-Nov-23, 09:57 AM **Reply #47** »

isnt best bets owned by TVN which in turn is owned by the race clubs ?

Jeunes · « 2014-Nov-23, 12:14 PM **Reply #48** »

Quote from: ratsack on 2014-Nov-23, 09:57 AM

isnt best bets owned by TVN which in turn is owned by the race clubs ?

From memory it costs $5 to buy, better off subsidising the price so it does not cost that much or pay the newspapers to supply more racing info than what we have now. What it comes down to for most businesses is does the extra money in advertising costs etc bring more revenue especially when there is no tangible measuring quality.

sobig · « 2014-Nov-23, 02:52 PM **Reply #49** »

Quote from: ratsack on 2014-Nov-23, 09:57 AM

isnt best bets owned by TVN which in turn is owned by the race clubs ?

As is Winning Post.