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Offline VoRogue

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« 2014-Nov-24, 12:30 PM Reply #50 »
Hey D-G, turns out i was right on all counts, i spoke at length to a senior racing journalist at the daily telegraph, and i got the real story as to the missing form guides from interstate, it is INDEED a directive from Racing NSW (read as P. V'Landys) and he does have the power to have published what he sees fit, in this case NSW race fields being prioritised over the rest of Australia, as racing NSw in conjunction with tabcorp are both chipping in for the publication of the fields, i wrongly thought it was just tabcorp. So V'Landys is trying to force punters to just bet on NSW (and of course NSWTAB) because they are copping something in the order of $3.60 for every $100 invested by punters on NSWTAB Once again, i have no problem with extra coverage of NSW races in all codes, i object to it being at the expense of interstate form, which is where i mostly bet (and overseas) I wont be forcefed by racing NSW to bet where they want me to  :nowink: And why would he want to promote harness racing you ask ? In another life he was the CEO of Harold Park trots for over a decade, he sure has changed his tune from those days eh ?

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« 2014-Nov-24, 12:49 PM Reply #51 »
Onya Vo,

it's well known to me that V'landys regularly boasts of the control he has over not only the Industry but its reporting.

I'm amazed anyone here would suggest otherwise.

Recently I recall him being on record as forbidding HK form in the newspapers.

Even though that would actually benefit him.

This is the guy who starts off trying to destroy Punters - the Industry lifeblood.

And recently forces through some bizarre conditions that allow Fletcher to benefit at the expense of all honest Punters!

Funny how the Industry media hasn't yet got around the latest front page headline grabbing turn of events currently on Fletcher's doorpenthousestep.

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« 2014-Nov-24, 03:34 PM Reply #52 »
What are you guys carrying on about  :what:

Form - Daily Telegraph web site - no subscription necessary - note the inclusion of the Victorian meeting today:



Form - SMH web site - note the inclusion of interstate meetings.





Who on earth considers the publication of fields with the last 3 starts and no text comment as well as some anonymous tips as "form". What serious punter in this day and age relies on the newspaper form for making their selections  :what:

The hatred of V'Landys runs so deep that people are starting to make up stories about him   :lol:

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« 2014-Nov-24, 03:55 PM Reply #53 »
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The hatred of V'Landys runs so deep that people are starting to make up stories about him    :lol:  

Doubt that anyone with a hatred for V'landys would need to make up stories.

I recall him on the record as pulling HK form in the newspaper scene.

How is today pertinent to Vo's observations prior to today?

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« 2014-Nov-24, 04:06 PM Reply #54 »
guess why todays Warnambool meeting made the tele, there's only 2 gallop meetings in Australia with TAb coverage, be a bit embarrasing to leave one of them out  :yes: I have my way of organising my days betting, which includes just the fields from the tele, as i like the way it's set out and i put them all in time order, everyone does things different, that works for me  :yes: And thats why i blow up when the paper leaves out formguides, or the tab website backlogs and doesnt delete races that are over. For me, 50% of successfu punting is ORGANISATION, specially on hectic days like the weekend. The tele was missing around 14 meetings last Saturday, and now i know for a fact it was because V'Landys wielded his big stick. The telegraph suggested i ring racing NSW to voice my displeasure at the lack of form. Apparently sky racing radio were flooded with complaints and Ray Thomas's mobile rang non stop with complaints, he sure as hell didnt answer me, his phone went to message bank   :lol:

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« 2014-Nov-24, 04:37 PM Reply #55 »
Vo. I read the Teleform often. They have ratings which I use sometimes, and it is a very good service.

They cover every Saturday meeting. I must admit I don't look at the midweeks but will check this week and report back.

Herald look as though they cover every meeting.

I would be extremely surprised if you do not use Racenet or one of the many on-line form guides available rather than rely on the physical newspaper - tell me if I'm wrong.

The newspapers are going broke. It is a cost for them to publish a detailed form guide and unless they are getting some advertising revenue e.g. TAB then they will phase out the form guides just like The Australian has done.

Am not surprised in the slightest that there is no detailed form for Hong Kong in the newspaper. Do you really think this is V'Landy's fault? I cannot imagine for the life of me V'Landys dictating to the Murdochs, or to their editors and sub-editors.

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« 2014-Nov-24, 04:43 PM Reply #56 »
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Am not surprised in the slightest that there is no detailed form for Hong Kong in the newspaper. Do you really think this is V'Landy's fault? I cannot imagine for the life of me V'Landys dictating to the Murdochs, or to their editors and sub-editors.

V'landys is on record as claiming it's his fault!

To the best of my  recollection.

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« 2014-Nov-24, 04:49 PM Reply #57 »
V'landys is on record as claiming it's his fault!

To the best of my  recollection.


The last time I saw Hong Kong form in the newspaper, it was the shortened version of the form with no comments and only the basic info.

There is just not enough space in the newspaper to print every meeting in detail.

TAB is covering 24 meetings across all 3 codes today - a Monday. How are you possibly going to cover them all in detail?

Of course if you are serious you have to use the internet for form rather than rely on the newspaper. You'd be a fool to do otherwise.

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« 2014-Nov-24, 05:23 PM Reply #58 »
Just FYI, when I am in Melbourne, I usually look at the form on the Herald Sun. It is predominantly Melbourne racing with other states as an afterthought. Thus I can't see why it is Vlandy's fault if other states are doing the same i.e. promoting local meetings.

The issue I have is why the race clubs get together and get a better deal with the form in the papers.

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« 2014-Nov-24, 06:40 PM Reply #59 »
Got this from a forum in WA

Once again, the talking heads on Sky Channel are feeding the chooks, i.e. the stay at home punters, with a load of unmitigated cr@p.

"We have just laid a bet of $3,500 at 6.50 on nackers",sorry,I forgot the horses name but that's really irrelevant because it's the same bulldust every race, said the rep from Tabcorp on Sky last Saturday.

So I had a quick look on Betfair. There was $4,500 available at $10.50 if the mug that took the $6.50 would only have had a look. It got me thinking. Are there really idiots out there putting $3,500 on horses at $4.00 less than the best odds available? Or is it just more cr@p from the Tab rep on Sky relaying false bets that he's told through his earpiece by someone at Tab headquarters, to tell the gullible uninformed geese that watch him and hang on his every word.

After having a conversation with a mate of mine, I have come to the conclusion that it is the latter. Feed the mugs bulldust and they will follow.

My mate decided to attend the Meadows twilight greyhound meeting last Wednesday.

He went up to the tote window and tried to have $100 on a dog that was $3.00 FIXED ODDS. He waited while the big boss at Tabcorp thought about it, and received a ticket betting him HALF of his requested bet.

So, seeing that the odds showing on the fixed odds screen remained at $3.00, even after he had placed his huge bet, he tried to put the other $50.00 on at the $3.00. The big boss at Tabcorb must have broken into a sweat, because back came the ticket $20.00/$10.00. The $3.00 remained on the screen, but my mate was laughing so hard, that he couldn't be bothered having the remaining $40.00 on the dog.

The son-in-law of another friend of mine, received an email from Tabcorp two weeks ago, stating that Tabcorp were no longer able to offer him ANY FIXED ODDS PRICES ON ANY RACING EVENTS ON WHICH TABCORP OPERATES. He had had a winning streak and won $2800 off Tabcorp betting fixed odds over a period of 4 months.

They are an absolute joke and a disgrace.

It is unfortunate that our racing journalists are afraid of losing their jobs by exposing Tabcorp for the joke that they really are. Tabcorp spend a fortune advertising in the Murdoch run Newscorp papers and pay for the lift out form guides that appear in the daily Herald Sun here in Melbourne and the daily Telegraph in Sydney.

I just hope that members of PTT and those who visit this web site, won't tumble into the garbage that spews forth from the mouths of those who promote Tabcorp.

All Tabcop are doing, is insulting the intelligence of, and taking advantage of, the gullibility of the uninformed punter.

When a punter can't place $100 on a dog at 2/1, or is banned for winning the massive amount of $2,800 over a four month period, with a publicly listed Company which made over $400 million profit last year, and that Companies representatives continue to cr@p on about the thousands of dollars that are supposedly wagered with them, it demeans Tabcorp, Sky Chanel, which is owned by Tabcorp, every presenter on that Channel and every journalist in Australia who report and write about the so called big bets which this discredited organisation claim to have taken.





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« 2014-Nov-24, 06:59 PM Reply #60 »
Bubba, must say i am not surprised by the mute media. Calling them  :censored:  is being kind

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« 2014-Nov-24, 08:46 PM Reply #61 »
Recently I asked for $1 on Roger Federer @1.06, and got the message "Over Limit Try Later".

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« 2014-Nov-24, 09:58 PM Reply #62 »
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Consumers/Advertising_and_pricing/Misleading_or_deceptive_conduct.page?

What is misleading or deceptive conduct?

Conduct includes actions and statements, such as:

    advertisements
    promotions
    quotations
    statements
    any representation made by a person.

Business conduct is likely to break the law if it creates a misleading overall impression among the intended audience about the price, value or quality of consumer goods or services.

Whether a business intended to mislead or deceive is irrelevant; what matters is how their statements and actions, the business conduct, could affect the thoughts and beliefs of a consumer.

If I ask for a bet of say $100 @ 3.00, and get the "Over Limit Try Later" message, and the price remains at 3.00, then in my opinion TABCORP has created a misleading overall impression among the intended audience about the price.

The NSW Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing are complicit (involved with others in an activity that is unlawful or morally wrong) in the immoral actions of TABCORP.

On the 17th January 2014, the NSW Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing allowed the removal of the following rule from the TAB LIMITED FIXED PRICE RACING BETTING RULES.

At all times TAB will be obliged to accept a bet  at the price made available by TAB provided that TAB is not compelled to lose (payout less stake) on any one (1) bet more than $1500.

Punters need to start making official complaints about the behavior of TABCORP. I will be making a complaint to the NSW Department of Fair Trading next Monday.

They probably will not be interested, but they say "Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained"

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« 2014-Nov-24, 10:59 PM Reply #63 »
Recently I asked for $1 on Roger Federer @1.06, and got the message "Over Limit Try Later".
I know it doesn't help you as a punter trying to get on, but this is not really an issue about betting limits.
Based on my own experiences, I would say it was not their genuine intention to limit you in this way.
This is a software/system problem that keeps re-occurring with monotonous regularity which, apparently no-one can fix; one of the many!
Just another one of the many reasons why this system needs to be scrapped urgently and replaced by something else built on a different platform.
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« 2014-Nov-24, 11:07 PM Reply #64 »
Misleading and deceptive conduct also encompasses Sky channel on-air spruikers constantly reminding punters to hurry up and get their quaddies on at places like Kempton Park in the UK, when there's lucky to be $60 in said quaddie pool, i note with interest that when the spruiking happens, there's no accompanying rider to "bet responsibly"   :lol:   :lol:

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« 2014-Nov-25, 09:13 AM Reply #65 »
On Sky last Saturday the onair announced mentioned someone having 30k on a race at newcastle at $2.10, then proceeded with another bet of 40k..70k all up in total.

It got beaten but other than sucking in unsuspecting punters who cares how much Joe Blow had on his pick.

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« 2014-Nov-25, 03:24 PM Reply #66 »
Just a follow up from yesterday....

Teleform is covering all states tomorrow.



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing

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« 2014-Nov-25, 04:37 PM Reply #67 »
On Sky last Saturday the onair announced mentioned someone having 30k on a race at newcastle at $2.10, then proceeded with another bet of 40k..70k all up in total.

It got beaten but other than sucking in unsuspecting punters who cares how much Joe Blow had on his pick.

That is the first time I have heard of the TAB accepting bets in Indonesian rupiah, the current rate of exchange : 1AUD = R10.400.

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« 2014-Nov-27, 09:35 AM Reply #68 »
Tattsbet.....Tatts... UNiTAB..Tote customers are in for a treat .......a real focus on customers according to CEO Robbie Cooke......how is this to be achieved ..Hah they're rebadging dropping all the old names for UBET Hooray ......two articles in the CM today so it must be worth waiting for ...no more money back dividends ...punters to get the benefit of fractions ..all up place fixed odds available ..real competition with online bookies ...that'll be the day.Giddy Up :whistle:

Will post the stories from the CM later unless dubbles beats me to it. Giddy Up :beer:

Tatts has punt on a name, you bet One brand nationwide From page 63 THE operator of TAB and TattsBet is heading off increasingly hostile international competition with a new brand name and simplified online betting.

 
Brisbane-based Tatts Group, the operator of the TAB in four states and territories, will rebadge its wagering division under the name UBET from early next year.

The new name will be rolled out in conjunction with renovated retail outlets and a new website.

Tatts’ earnings are being hit by foreign-owned online operators such as British-owned Sportingbet and Bet365 and Irish-owned Sportsbet.

The companies, which currently have about 40 per cent of the wagering market, operate out of the Northern Territory because of the tax incentives offered there.
Tatts chief executive Robbie Cooke said the “spaghetti bowl” of brands currently used by the company – including TattsBet, Tatts, UNiTAB, TAB and Tote – would be replaced by the single brand – UBET.

Tatts is Australia’s largest provider of wagering products and services, with more than 1400 outlets across Queensland, South Australia, Tasmania and the Northern Territory.

“We wanted something that was short and punchy,” Mr Cooke (pictured) said, referring to the new name. “At the moment, it is a bit of a mess with a number of different brands being used.”

Tatts was formed through the merger of different wagering operators, including TAB in Queensland and Victorianbased Tattersalls.

Mr Cooke conceded Tatts had fallen behind in internet betting in the face of stiffer competition from purely online operators, which have the financial support of their foreign-owned parent companies.

“In 2000-01, we were the leading online site, but we did not keep improving,” Mr Cooke said. “These foreign corporations pay little tax and we do not have the financial grunt to match them in marketing. Online is always going to be competitive and you have to be ahead of the curve.” He said he was not satisfied with Tatts’ current online betting system and under the revamp there would be “fewer clicks”, making it simpler for customers to lodge a bet. He declined to provide details of the new website or the new outlets. NATHAN EXELBY’S TAKE P63


Hard to take Robbie seriously if he thinks making fewer clicks and a name change will improve the bottom line for punters and their shareholders.......they need to be competitive...... better than their competitors ......and while I don't know Robbie it seems that anyone who has reached the level of CEO and still calls hisself  Robbie has something going for him ......although reading this load of spin doesn't support that theory.  :shutup: Giddy Up

Racing scribe Nathan Exelby adds some words of elaboration towards the back of the CM but apart from revealing the name UBet came out of an in house competition and that all staff are excited and there'll be a focus on customers Robbie wants to achieve a 7% increase there's nothing about any improved product ...which even Robbie should know is what's wanted. Giddy Up. :beer:
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« 2014-Nov-28, 04:55 PM Reply #69 »
I think the name change is a good one.

Still, totes remain hamstrung to a degree by their obligations in the retail arena.

Look forward to the new website.

Mr Cooke is fully aware that I want to take place parlays for 6d.

And that I reallllllllllllllllllllllllly detest rounding down.  :yes:

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« 2014-Nov-28, 05:18 PM Reply #70 »
I think the name change is a good one.

Still, totes remain hamstrung to a degree by their obligations in the retail arena.

Look forward to the new website.

Mr Cooke is fully aware that I want to take place parlays for 6d.

And that I reallllllllllllllllllllllllly detest rounding down.  :yes:

And while they're at it. What about money back for 4th?  What do you reckon dd? :)

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« 2014-Nov-28, 05:44 PM Reply #71 »
Ummmm.... but only when WE run 4th.   :lol:

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« 2014-Nov-29, 09:59 AM Reply #72 »
And while they're at it. What about money back for 4th?  What do you reckon dd? :)

So you want lesser dividends for the first three placings ?

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« 2014-Nov-29, 10:14 AM Reply #73 »
So you want lesser dividends for the first three placings ?

If I'm only get 4th placing...yes of course :)

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« 2014-Nov-29, 11:19 AM Reply #74 »
Ummmm.... but only when WE run 4th.   :lol:

What, you don't use 4ths?  :shutup:


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