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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: MagiC~* on 2014-Nov-16, 06:21 PM
TAB Website link:

www.tab.com.au

Am opening a new thread for all TAB related issues and discussion.

I am going to re-iterate, personal attacks of any TAB employees will not be tolerated as well as attacks on any Forum Members and or Stewards.

If you have a problem with the Tab site, please state it in this thread, politely and respectfully.

Do not direct any questions directly at Philby and or any TAB employee.

I believe there would be proper avenues for directing complaints and feedback regarding the TAB, so please use those if you want a direct and more detailed response.

If Philby decides to answer and resolve any issues on this thread that is his prerogative, it is not a part of his job description within the TAB

He does not have to answer our questions, but if he does it is a positive to this forum, so please do not abuse the privilege of having a direct line to the people who can actually help.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2014-Nov-16, 06:48 PM
Well said Magic, several on here have been trading a fine line for far too long on this matter.

Philby, I along with many on here appreciate your efforts in trying to resolve issues and understand it is above and beyond your job description.

on a positive note I now have access to media centre currently. Not sure if it is relevant or not but after reading over the earlier threads i cleared my cache and now i have access

Perhaps others could try the same first.

cheers
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2014-Nov-16, 06:57 PM
It seems to me that the TAB has, and has had for some time, far more IT problems than what should be reasonably expected at a corporation of its size.

Surely at some stage the head honcho should give this issue his attention.

 

 
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Nov-16, 07:00 PM

Surely at some stage the head honcho should give this issue his attention.

 

He was on the radio a few weeks back and praised the service :sad:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2014-Nov-16, 07:08 PM
 :clap2:

well said magic   8-)

the head honcho isnt on here 

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: D-G on 2014-Nov-16, 07:16 PM
It seems to me that the TAB has, and has had for some time, far more IT problems than what should be reasonably expected at a corporation of its size.

Surely at some stage the head honcho should give this issue his attention.

 

 

Very well said   emthup

 TABCORP , and their subsidiaries have major IT issues that need resolving.
Any IT issue should be a priority for any proactive company in todays economic climate.

Having said that, the issue should in no way be a personal one, and in particular, against someone such as Philby who is doing this "out of hours", I believe.
He has been very productive in his reactions from this forum.
Really, TABCORP should be paying someone to do what Philby does on here
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: chuggers on 2014-Nov-16, 07:27 PM
Very well said    emthup  

 TABCORP , and their subsidiaries have major IT issues that need resolving.
Any IT issue should be a priority for any proactive company in todays economic climate.

Having said that, the issue should in no way be a personal one, and in particular, against someone such as Philby who is doing this "out of hours", I believe.
He has been very productive in his reactions from this forum.
Really, TABCORP should be paying someone to do what Philby does on here


D-G,

Trust me, what Philby does here is out of hours.....


 :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: D-G on 2014-Nov-16, 07:34 PM
D-G,

Trust me, what Philby does here is out of hours.....


 :beer:

Well, you know what we should think of someone who says "trust me", but on this occasion, I will
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Nov-16, 07:35 PM
  :lol:

I always wonder about forumites who change their nicks, too.  :unsu

New persona, maybe?  Hiding from Bet365?  :shrug:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: D-G on 2014-Nov-16, 07:38 PM
 :lol:

I always wonder about forumites who change their nicks, too.  :unsu

New persona, maybe?  Hiding from Bet365?  :shrug:
There may be any number of reasons why someone might change their nic, DD   :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Nov-16, 07:40 PM
Yes, I realise I mentioned just two.   :lol:

Actually, I must be due for a change, too.  :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: D-G on 2014-Nov-16, 07:44 PM
Yes, I realise I mentioned just two.   :lol:

Actually, I must be due for a change, too.  :chin:
Not trying to hide from you DD if that's what you think
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2014-Nov-16, 07:55 PM
It is good to see another person raising the cache issue and having to delete it to access the Tab / Sky Media / Sky form etc. Now I don't feel like it is a PICNIC issue.

 
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: chuggers on 2014-Nov-16, 08:15 PM
Now I don't feel like it is a PICNIC issue.

 

OK..you are hurt ..you have brought it up a few times....maybe more than a few times...can ya bring it to a halt...or is it something more we can do to bring the PICNIC...thing to a close....I will go to a church for ya Jeunes..ifs that's what ya need....

 :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Nov-16, 09:33 PM
Media Centre playing up again today.
Can watch live races but unable to access any race replays all day.
Have cleared my cache, but still no joy I am afraid.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: monologue on 2014-Nov-17, 09:26 AM
Media Centre playing up again today.
Can watch live races but unable to access any race replays all day.
Have cleared my cache, but still no joy I am afraid.

Ive told before Lert, it's all to do with daylight saving. :shy:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Nov-17, 10:54 AM
Ive told before Lert, it's all to do with daylight saving. :shy:
Here I was thinking it was the G20.
I reckon Puton had the techos on those ships jamming it for sure. :shrug:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: monologue on 2014-Nov-17, 11:07 AM
I'm reading the CM less now than at anytime I've been in the Sunshine State.
I just can't cop the garbage headlines and front page news they dish up.

The claptrap they  produced re the G20 and Putin was fingers down the throat stuff.
If there ever is another world war it'll be the CM instigating it.

Lift your game fellas and Gals.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: specialweek on 2014-Nov-17, 11:07 AM
Here I was thinking it was the G20.
I reckon Puton had the techos on those ships jamming it for sure. :shrug:

Puton is what we do with our hard earned. Putin is to ante up but also the Russian leader.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2014-Nov-17, 01:06 PM
It seems to me that the TAB has, and has had for some time, far more IT problems than what should be reasonably expected at a corporation of its size.

Surely at some stage the head honcho should give this issue his attention.


Let me quote a paragraph in today's AFR re NAB:-

"Thorburn and NAB's chief financial officer Craig Drummond have started addressing some of the bank's legacy issues but they need to crank it up. They also need to arrest the decline in its business banking division and keep a close eye on the rollout of its new IT systems to make sure they don't harm the business or customer interface."

 
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Nov-17, 04:30 PM
Trying to watch a replay of Tamworth R6. Apparently a diabolically bad ride on the fave.

The icon is there in the results page but I'm informed that "the clip is not available"

When do replays become available in the results page?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Nov-17, 06:26 PM
Trying to watch a replay of Tamworth R6. Apparently a diabolically bad ride on the fave.

The icon is there in the results page but I'm informed that "the clip is not available"

When do replays become available in the results page?
Its been doing that for all meetings all day yesterday and today that I know of.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Nov-17, 06:36 PM
Trying to watch a replay of Tamworth R6. Apparently a diabolically bad ride on the fave.

The icon is there in the results page but I'm informed that "the clip is not available"

When do replays become available in the results page?

http://www.racingnetwork.com.au/FormandResults/RaceReplaySearch/tabid/108/Default.aspx?videoid=1032644#2014-11-17:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Nov-17, 06:45 PM
Thanks for the thought Bubba; but that is R7 not R6. :slaphead:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Nov-17, 06:49 PM
I know that as a posted R6 but it came up as R7..go to the site and you will be able to view R6.BTW it was ridden by S Young..never heard of him.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Nov-17, 06:54 PM
Thanks guys,
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2014-Nov-17, 07:04 PM
I know that as a posted R6 but it came up as R7..go to the site and you will be able to view R6.BTW it was ridden by S Young..never heard of him.

HER name is Sophie, apprenticed to Sue Grills
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Nov-17, 08:40 PM
They have to learn somewhere.
She has won a few races recently around Coonabarabran, Moree and Armidale.

Be a while though before I will be prepared to back anything she is steering.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2014-Nov-17, 09:37 PM
OK..you are hurt ..you have brought it up a few times....maybe more than a few times...can ya bring it to a halt...or is it something more we can do to bring the PICNIC...thing to a close....I will go to a church for ya Jeunes..ifs that's what ya need....

 :beer:


I am in a TWIRL over the cache issue and it is no PICNIC. I am on a ROCKY ROAD with sky form along with others as the operating system is a FLAKE. The Tab should place a BOUNTY for good I.T staff. . If they don't think the sky form issues are impacting business, they must be from MARS or arriving from somewhere in the MILKY WAY as it's customers are CHERRY RIPE for the system issues to be resolved. The situation is CURLY WURLY as it is not a DREAM situation for it's customers to constantly clear the cache to access the form. The POLLY WAFFLE in the TAB not addressing the issues will see clients go somewhere else as it's rivals must be in constant SNICKERS regarding the IT situation. If they come from Turkey, it could be a TURKISH DELIGHT for it's customers when the sky issues are resolved.

I think I am slowly getting over it. But you can say a prayer for me Chuggers to hurry the process up.   
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-18, 10:16 PM
I have an issue with what is now called Sky sports radio (formerly radio 2KY) It was once a good station, but as time has passed and a tsunami of racing 7 days a week occuring, anyone without sky has no hope of getting late bets on, because you'd be blissfully unaware they were racing, as the announcer is busy reading tote dividends from the previous 4 races that had just jumped shortly beforehand. What's the bloody point of reading out tote dividends AT THE EXPENSE of hearing a live race from the jump ???  :mad:  Here's a challenge to anyone, Philby included. Listen to Sky racing radio on a busy race day just for ONE HOUR that has at least 8 meetings going at the one time zone (weekends have double that) and try and write down ALL THE TOTE dividends that are read out at the speed of light, and time the ratio of races played compared to the reading of tote dividends. Even sky TV are often missing the start of races, in particular trots (which really matters) I've even heard sky sports radio re-playing a horse race while another live race is on elsewhere  :wtf: If it's so necessary to read out tote dividends, why not have a gap of 20 or 30 minutes daily with NO RACES, so the divs can be read out then to anyone who cares to hear them, i mean is there really any punters out there that have no other access to this info, including a phone that can ring the tab ? I pity anyone without sky and rely on sky radio for broadcasts  :bash: The TAB has basically prostituted the racing game, there's a race on every corner like a crack whore almost every minute of the day in every corner of the world, but they cant provide the proper service to punters to hear or see them LIVE AT ALL TIMES  :rant: So the racing game is actually on the game    :lol:  At the casino, how come they (punters) have roughly a 4-5 minute gap between roulette wheel spins ? Yet punters wanting to take exotic bets at the races have half that time between races and sometimes have to deal with 2 or 3 races clashing and need to fill out tickets correctly or splutter out a series of numbers over the phone. I know this is insignificant to the likes of Zjelko who let their machines do the betting, but i reckon 95% of punters still bet the human way, tab phone or internet  :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-19, 05:03 PM
Hi again Philby, there's a new pox that has infected both tabcorp websites. I want to test you, to see how observant you are. Pick ANY race... horses dogs or trots that is yet to jump, and look closely at the SCRATCHINGS (there's a gigantic clue) do you notice anything strange ? All traces of this disappear once the race in question is paying out. Here's a couple of races to study that dont jump for a few hours. If this isn't fixed pronto, i'm tipping lots of punters will be putting in what they believe to be legitimate claims for unpaid dividends       :lol:     

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing/betting/standard/NORTHAM/Races/8/19-Nov-2014

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing/betting/standard/CRANBOURNE/Greyhounds/11/19-Nov-2014

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing/betting/standard/MILDURA/Harness/8/19-Nov-2014
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Nov-20, 08:19 PM
Why would the replays for 7 of the 8 Beaudesert races today be available on Media Centre but not race 4? :shrug:
Apart from the obvious that race 4 is the only one I want! :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-22, 09:47 AM
Hi Philby,

Can you make a call to Ray Thomas at the Daily Telegraph (the paper that Tabcorp pays to publish race fields) and ask him why there are NO TROT FIELDS AT ALL in todays edition ?  For the record tabcorp are betting on SEVEN harness meetings today, including NZ at Phar Lap which has already started, the other six are tonite...Menangle, Albion Park, Cranbourne, Globe Derby, Temora and Bunbury. Numerous meetings of late at the trots have failed to be published, how come this keeps happening, and why doesnt the TAb ensure it DOESNT happen, after all, they're paying for this ?? It will certainly reduce turnover tonight. The ONLY form for trots in todays paper is Menangle, the other 6 are missing. Many gallops today missing as well, including Geraldton in WA, Roma in QLD, Toowoomba QLD, aslo Cranbourne, and Darwin. what a friggin disgrace  emthdown emthdown :mad: :rant: Why did this idiot even bother buying todays paper  :what: I'm tipping the telegraph will be swamped with complaints on Monday, as they are uncontactable on the weekend.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-22, 10:59 AM
I suspect this is part of Peter V'landy's "vision" to just hammer punters with fancy form with bells and whistles like colours for all runners in all codes on all NSW meetings, because they get the revenue to pay for that fancy hotel being built at Randwick racecourse, and in the process stuff anyone who even thinks about betting in any other state, they dont matter at all  :rant: emthdown :mad: >:( I reckon there are something like 12 meetings throughout Australia that there is no form for in the paper, even Albion Park trots and Cranbourne races  :o
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Nov-22, 02:08 PM
Just tried to place a bet on the usually reliable "lite" site.
"Betting not currently available, try again later" is the message
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2014-Nov-22, 06:09 PM
Hi Philby,

Can you make a call to Ray Thomas at the Daily Telegraph (the paper that Tabcorp pays to publish race fields) and ask him why there are NO TROT FIELDS AT ALL in todays edition ?  For the record tabcorp are betting on SEVEN harness meetings today, including NZ at Phar Lap which has already started, the other six are tonite...Menangle, Albion Park, Cranbourne, Globe Derby, Temora and Bunbury. Numerous meetings of late at the trots have failed to be published, how come this keeps happening, and why doesnt the TAb ensure it DOESNT happen, after all, they're paying for this ?? It will certainly reduce turnover tonight. The ONLY form for trots in todays paper is Menangle, the other 6 are missing. Many gallops today missing as well, including Geraldton in WA, Roma in QLD, Toowoomba QLD, aslo Cranbourne, and Darwin. what a friggin disgrace  emthdown emthdown :mad: :rant: Why did this idiot even bother buying todays paper  :what: I'm tipping the telegraph will be swamped with complaints on Monday, as they are uncontactable on the weekend.


my tele has menagle in it   :shrug:

why would racing NSW want to pay for vic racing

vic racing does  :censored:  all for us   :rant:

i think ray thomas has a twitter , email  and other accounts , dont think its philbys job to contact him 

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: vadim on 2014-Nov-22, 07:12 PM
Hi Philby,

Can you make a call to Ray Thomas at the Daily Telegraph (the paper that Tabcorp pays to publish race fields) and ask him why there are NO TROT FIELDS AT ALL in todays edition ?  For the record tabcorp are betting on SEVEN harness meetings today, including NZ at Phar Lap which has already started, the other six are tonite...Menangle, Albion Park, Cranbourne, Globe Derby, Temora and Bunbury. Numerous meetings of late at the trots have failed to be published, how come this keeps happening, and why doesnt the TAb ensure it DOESNT happen, after all, they're paying for this ?? It will certainly reduce turnover tonight. The ONLY form for trots in todays paper is Menangle, the other 6 are missing. Many gallops today missing as well, including Geraldton in WA, Roma in QLD, Toowoomba QLD, aslo Cranbourne, and Darwin. what a friggin disgrace  emthdown emthdown :mad: :rant: Why did this idiot even bother buying todays paper  :what: I'm tipping the telegraph will be swamped with complaints on Monday, as they are uncontactable on the weekend.


Am I missing something?

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2014-Nov-22, 07:27 PM
Am I missing something?



 :nowink:

dont think so   :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2014-Nov-22, 08:05 PM
I suspect this is part of Peter V'landy's "vision" to just hammer punters with fancy form with bells and whistles like colours for all runners in all codes on all NSW meetings, because they get the revenue to pay for that fancy hotel being built at Randwick racecourse, and in the process stuff anyone who even thinks about betting in any other state

oh forgot this one  :rolleyes:


 :whistle:

i thought that was his job   :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: D-G on 2014-Nov-22, 08:31 PM
I suspect this is part of Peter V'landy's "vision" to just hammer punters with fancy form with bells and whistles like colours for all runners in all codes on all NSW meetings, because they get the revenue to pay for that fancy hotel being built at Randwick racecourse, and in the process stuff anyone who even thinks about betting in any other state, they dont matter at all  :rant: emthdown :mad: >:( I reckon there are something like 12 meetings throughout Australia that there is no form for in the paper, even Albion Park trots and Cranbourne races  :o

Perhaps I am missing something also, but I have a few questions.

1) What power does V'landys have over what is apparently Tabcorps decision on what fields to print in the paper?
2) Why would V'landys have any interest at all in promoting  the trots, if he had some magical power over Tabcorps decision on what to publish?
3) Why is V'Landys the "fall guy" for everything, despite the fact he has done so many positive things?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2014-Nov-22, 08:53 PM
Perhaps I am missing something also, but I have a few questions.

1) What power does V'landys have over what is apparently Tabcorps decision on what fields to print in the paper?
2) Why would V'landys have any interest at all in promoting  the trots, if he had some magical power over Tabcorps decision on what to publish?
3) Why is V'Landys the "fall guy" for everything, despite the fact he has done so many positive things?

I've asked those questions in the past D-G.

He evokes a lot of hatred from the corporates because of the racefield's legislation but all he was ever doing was acting in the interests of Racing NSW.

He and Messara are outstanding advocates for racing in the state. If they can lobby Mike Baird to give them parity with Victoria on government TAB takeouts it will be yet another feather in their cap, and they have already committed to distributing the majority of any gains to prizemoney right across the state.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-22, 10:24 PM
I have no problem with the TAB covering extra NSW meetings, but not at the expense of formguides in the paper for interstate races, there were over 10 meetings missing from the tele today, including Cranbourne Geraldton and Roma gallops, also Darwin and Gold Coast, plus half a dozen trot meetings, yet there was a full page for Menangle trots, complete with race colours  :o Someone has leaned on the TAB to focus on NSW meetings in the telegraph, the lack of coverage started about the time the announcement about the Randwick hotel was in the papers and news. In case you'd forgotten V'Landys was the CEO at Harold Park trots for at least 10 years in the 90's. And Tabcorp pays the tele to publish all TAb covered race fields, not just NSW, isnt that right Philby ? Or has that suddenly changed recently
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: chalky on 2014-Nov-22, 10:26 PM
The Tele is a NSW paper isn't it?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2014-Nov-22, 10:34 PM
VO

focus for a minute

the TAB and racing NSW are two different entity's , try and separate them

 :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Nov-23, 05:45 AM
Good morning folks

I think Vo is partly right, the cut back in  form is bad but in saying that I think it's the racing bodies who have to pay the tele. Obviousily Harness racing NSW has paid for the form to go into the paper for what was a major meeting for them

V'Landys would have to pay to get Randwick & Newcastle in the paper

What role the TAB plays in these payments I do not know but I'd suggest it's certainly not V'landys fault theres a lack of form.

It would be interesting to see what the papers charge the industry for publishing fields :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Nov-23, 09:03 AM
It is of interest is the Australian meetings NOT covered in any way in the Melbourne Sunday Herald Sun today.

Gallops:Mackay, Grafton, Sunshine Coast, Strathalbyn, Bunbury

Trots:Fairfield, Hobart

Dogs: Wentworth Park, Canberra, Warrnambool ( a Vic meeting ) Darwin, Healesville ( names only in such small print it makes the death notices appear as headlines ), Albion Park, Gawler

Naturally none of the overseas 10 horse meetings or 4 trot meetings get a mention, only that the TAB will bet on them.

This has been the case in Melbourne for years in the Herald Sun and as for The Age it only covers one Victorian race meeting during the mid week and a Saturday guide for three Australian Metropolitan meetings, dogs & trots were dropped off years ago . You cannot blame The Age, because it is only read by chardonnay inner suburban lefties who are more concerned about reading what performance will be on at the Playbox theatre that day or where next is a public meeting being held to "Save The ABC" from those dreadful budget cuts by the government.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2014-Nov-23, 09:51 AM
Good morning folks

I think Vo is partly right, the cut back in  form is bad but in saying that I think it's the racing bodies who have to pay the tele. Obviousily Harness racing NSW has paid for the form to go into the paper for what was a major meeting for them

V'Landys would have to pay to get Randwick & Newcastle in the paper

What role the TAB plays in these payments I do not know but I'd suggest it's certainly not V'landys fault theres a lack of form.

It would be interesting to see what the papers charge the industry for publishing fields :chin:

I will be honest and say that I buy the tele every fri to skim the form at lunch or dinner with a few mates at work as I also do like the feel of paper. I usually study the form online on Saturday.

What I don't understand is why the racing bodies don't subsidise a racing newspaper or online form guide instead of relying or paying newspapers or external parties to supply the form. I am sure if all the state racing bodies get together (maybe a pipe dream) and compare how much they pay newspapers for substandard form etc, it maybe a better financial option in the long run.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2014-Nov-23, 09:57 AM
isnt best bets owned by TVN which in turn is owned by the race clubs ?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2014-Nov-23, 12:14 PM
isnt best bets owned by TVN which in turn is owned by the race clubs ?

From memory it costs $5 to buy, better off subsidising the price so it does not cost that much or pay the newspapers to supply more racing info than what we have now. What it comes down to for most businesses is does the extra money in advertising costs etc bring more revenue especially when there is no tangible measuring quality.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2014-Nov-23, 02:52 PM
isnt best bets owned by TVN which in turn is owned by the race clubs ?

As is Winning Post.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-24, 12:30 PM
Hey D-G, turns out i was right on all counts, i spoke at length to a senior racing journalist at the daily telegraph, and i got the real story as to the missing form guides from interstate, it is INDEED a directive from Racing NSW (read as P. V'Landys) and he does have the power to have published what he sees fit, in this case NSW race fields being prioritised over the rest of Australia, as racing NSw in conjunction with tabcorp are both chipping in for the publication of the fields, i wrongly thought it was just tabcorp. So V'Landys is trying to force punters to just bet on NSW (and of course NSWTAB) because they are copping something in the order of $3.60 for every $100 invested by punters on NSWTAB Once again, i have no problem with extra coverage of NSW races in all codes, i object to it being at the expense of interstate form, which is where i mostly bet (and overseas) I wont be forcefed by racing NSW to bet where they want me to  :nowink: And why would he want to promote harness racing you ask ? In another life he was the CEO of Harold Park trots for over a decade, he sure has changed his tune from those days eh ?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2014-Nov-24, 12:49 PM
Onya Vo,

it's well known to me that V'landys regularly boasts of the control he has over not only the Industry but its reporting.

I'm amazed anyone here would suggest otherwise.

Recently I recall him being on record as forbidding HK form in the newspapers.

Even though that would actually benefit him.

This is the guy who starts off trying to destroy Punters - the Industry lifeblood.

And recently forces through some bizarre conditions that allow Fletcher to benefit at the expense of all honest Punters!

Funny how the Industry media hasn't yet got around the latest front page headline grabbing turn of events currently on Fletcher's doorpenthousestep.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2014-Nov-24, 03:34 PM
What are you guys carrying on about  :what:

Form - Daily Telegraph web site - no subscription necessary - note the inclusion of the Victorian meeting today:

(http://s27.postimg.org/y8z1jkv1r/form1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/y8z1jkv1r/)

Form - SMH web site - note the inclusion of interstate meetings.

(http://s18.postimg.org/jly37d0jp/form2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jly37d0jp/)

(http://s16.postimg.org/xry9lpv01/form3.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/xry9lpv01/)

Who on earth considers the publication of fields with the last 3 starts and no text comment as well as some anonymous tips as "form". What serious punter in this day and age relies on the newspaper form for making their selections  :what:

The hatred of V'Landys runs so deep that people are starting to make up stories about him   :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2014-Nov-24, 03:55 PM
....
The hatred of V'Landys runs so deep that people are starting to make up stories about him    :lol:  

Doubt that anyone with a hatred for V'landys would need to make up stories.

I recall him on the record as pulling HK form in the newspaper scene.

How is today pertinent to Vo's observations prior to today?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-24, 04:06 PM
guess why todays Warnambool meeting made the tele, there's only 2 gallop meetings in Australia with TAb coverage, be a bit embarrasing to leave one of them out  :yes: I have my way of organising my days betting, which includes just the fields from the tele, as i like the way it's set out and i put them all in time order, everyone does things different, that works for me  :yes: And thats why i blow up when the paper leaves out formguides, or the tab website backlogs and doesnt delete races that are over. For me, 50% of successfu punting is ORGANISATION, specially on hectic days like the weekend. The tele was missing around 14 meetings last Saturday, and now i know for a fact it was because V'Landys wielded his big stick. The telegraph suggested i ring racing NSW to voice my displeasure at the lack of form. Apparently sky racing radio were flooded with complaints and Ray Thomas's mobile rang non stop with complaints, he sure as hell didnt answer me, his phone went to message bank   :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2014-Nov-24, 04:37 PM
Vo. I read the Teleform often. They have ratings which I use sometimes, and it is a very good service.

They cover every Saturday meeting. I must admit I don't look at the midweeks but will check this week and report back.

Herald look as though they cover every meeting.

I would be extremely surprised if you do not use Racenet or one of the many on-line form guides available rather than rely on the physical newspaper - tell me if I'm wrong.

The newspapers are going broke. It is a cost for them to publish a detailed form guide and unless they are getting some advertising revenue e.g. TAB then they will phase out the form guides just like The Australian has done.

Am not surprised in the slightest that there is no detailed form for Hong Kong in the newspaper. Do you really think this is V'Landy's fault? I cannot imagine for the life of me V'Landys dictating to the Murdochs, or to their editors and sub-editors.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2014-Nov-24, 04:43 PM
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Am not surprised in the slightest that there is no detailed form for Hong Kong in the newspaper. Do you really think this is V'Landy's fault? I cannot imagine for the life of me V'Landys dictating to the Murdochs, or to their editors and sub-editors.

V'landys is on record as claiming it's his fault!

To the best of my  recollection.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2014-Nov-24, 04:49 PM
V'landys is on record as claiming it's his fault!

To the best of my  recollection.


The last time I saw Hong Kong form in the newspaper, it was the shortened version of the form with no comments and only the basic info.

There is just not enough space in the newspaper to print every meeting in detail.

TAB is covering 24 meetings across all 3 codes today - a Monday. How are you possibly going to cover them all in detail?

Of course if you are serious you have to use the internet for form rather than rely on the newspaper. You'd be a fool to do otherwise.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2014-Nov-24, 05:23 PM
Just FYI, when I am in Melbourne, I usually look at the form on the Herald Sun. It is predominantly Melbourne racing with other states as an afterthought. Thus I can't see why it is Vlandy's fault if other states are doing the same i.e. promoting local meetings.

The issue I have is why the race clubs get together and get a better deal with the form in the papers.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Nov-24, 06:40 PM
Got this from a forum in WA

Once again, the talking heads on Sky Channel are feeding the chooks, i.e. the stay at home punters, with a load of unmitigated cr@p.

"We have just laid a bet of $3,500 at 6.50 on nackers",sorry,I forgot the horses name but that's really irrelevant because it's the same bulldust every race, said the rep from Tabcorp on Sky last Saturday.

So I had a quick look on Betfair. There was $4,500 available at $10.50 if the mug that took the $6.50 would only have had a look. It got me thinking. Are there really idiots out there putting $3,500 on horses at $4.00 less than the best odds available? Or is it just more cr@p from the Tab rep on Sky relaying false bets that he's told through his earpiece by someone at Tab headquarters, to tell the gullible uninformed geese that watch him and hang on his every word.

After having a conversation with a mate of mine, I have come to the conclusion that it is the latter. Feed the mugs bulldust and they will follow.

My mate decided to attend the Meadows twilight greyhound meeting last Wednesday.

He went up to the tote window and tried to have $100 on a dog that was $3.00 FIXED ODDS. He waited while the big boss at Tabcorp thought about it, and received a ticket betting him HALF of his requested bet.

So, seeing that the odds showing on the fixed odds screen remained at $3.00, even after he had placed his huge bet, he tried to put the other $50.00 on at the $3.00. The big boss at Tabcorb must have broken into a sweat, because back came the ticket $20.00/$10.00. The $3.00 remained on the screen, but my mate was laughing so hard, that he couldn't be bothered having the remaining $40.00 on the dog.

The son-in-law of another friend of mine, received an email from Tabcorp two weeks ago, stating that Tabcorp were no longer able to offer him ANY FIXED ODDS PRICES ON ANY RACING EVENTS ON WHICH TABCORP OPERATES. He had had a winning streak and won $2800 off Tabcorp betting fixed odds over a period of 4 months.

They are an absolute joke and a disgrace.

It is unfortunate that our racing journalists are afraid of losing their jobs by exposing Tabcorp for the joke that they really are. Tabcorp spend a fortune advertising in the Murdoch run Newscorp papers and pay for the lift out form guides that appear in the daily Herald Sun here in Melbourne and the daily Telegraph in Sydney.

I just hope that members of PTT and those who visit this web site, won't tumble into the garbage that spews forth from the mouths of those who promote Tabcorp.

All Tabcop are doing, is insulting the intelligence of, and taking advantage of, the gullibility of the uninformed punter.

When a punter can't place $100 on a dog at 2/1, or is banned for winning the massive amount of $2,800 over a four month period, with a publicly listed Company which made over $400 million profit last year, and that Companies representatives continue to cr@p on about the thousands of dollars that are supposedly wagered with them, it demeans Tabcorp, Sky Chanel, which is owned by Tabcorp, every presenter on that Channel and every journalist in Australia who report and write about the so called big bets which this discredited organisation claim to have taken.




Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Nov-24, 06:59 PM
Bubba, must say i am not surprised by the mute media. Calling them  :censored:  is being kind
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: The Aussie Bricklayer on 2014-Nov-24, 08:46 PM
Recently I asked for $1 on Roger Federer @1.06, and got the message "Over Limit Try Later".
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: The Aussie Bricklayer on 2014-Nov-24, 09:58 PM
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/Consumers/Advertising_and_pricing/Misleading_or_deceptive_conduct.page?

What is misleading or deceptive conduct?

Conduct includes actions and statements, such as:

    advertisements
    promotions
    quotations
    statements
    any representation made by a person.

Business conduct is likely to break the law if it creates a misleading overall impression among the intended audience about the price, value or quality of consumer goods or services.

Whether a business intended to mislead or deceive is irrelevant; what matters is how their statements and actions, the business conduct, could affect the thoughts and beliefs of a consumer.

If I ask for a bet of say $100 @ 3.00, and get the "Over Limit Try Later" message, and the price remains at 3.00, then in my opinion TABCORP has created a misleading overall impression among the intended audience about the price.

The NSW Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing are complicit (involved with others in an activity that is unlawful or morally wrong) in the immoral actions of TABCORP.

On the 17th January 2014, the NSW Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing allowed the removal of the following rule from the TAB LIMITED FIXED PRICE RACING BETTING RULES.

At all times TAB will be obliged to accept a bet  at the price made available by TAB provided that TAB is not compelled to lose (payout less stake) on any one (1) bet more than $1500.

Punters need to start making official complaints about the behavior of TABCORP. I will be making a complaint to the NSW Department of Fair Trading next Monday.

They probably will not be interested, but they say "Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained"
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Nov-24, 10:59 PM
Recently I asked for $1 on Roger Federer @1.06, and got the message "Over Limit Try Later".
I know it doesn't help you as a punter trying to get on, but this is not really an issue about betting limits.
Based on my own experiences, I would say it was not their genuine intention to limit you in this way.
This is a software/system problem that keeps re-occurring with monotonous regularity which, apparently no-one can fix; one of the many!
Just another one of the many reasons why this system needs to be scrapped urgently and replaced by something else built on a different platform.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Nov-24, 11:07 PM
Misleading and deceptive conduct also encompasses Sky channel on-air spruikers constantly reminding punters to hurry up and get their quaddies on at places like Kempton Park in the UK, when there's lucky to be $60 in said quaddie pool, i note with interest that when the spruiking happens, there's no accompanying rider to "bet responsibly"   :lol:   :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: monologue on 2014-Nov-25, 09:13 AM
On Sky last Saturday the onair announced mentioned someone having 30k on a race at newcastle at $2.10, then proceeded with another bet of 40k..70k all up in total.

It got beaten but other than sucking in unsuspecting punters who cares how much Joe Blow had on his pick.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2014-Nov-25, 03:24 PM
Just a follow up from yesterday....

Teleform is covering all states tomorrow.

(http://s16.postimg.org/rje69ublt/teleform.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/rje69ublt/)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Nov-25, 04:37 PM
On Sky last Saturday the onair announced mentioned someone having 30k on a race at newcastle at $2.10, then proceeded with another bet of 40k..70k all up in total.

It got beaten but other than sucking in unsuspecting punters who cares how much Joe Blow had on his pick.

That is the first time I have heard of the TAB accepting bets in Indonesian rupiah, the current rate of exchange : 1AUD = R10.400.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Arsenal on 2014-Nov-27, 09:35 AM
Tattsbet.....Tatts... UNiTAB..Tote customers are in for a treat .......a real focus on customers according to CEO Robbie Cooke......how is this to be achieved ..Hah they're rebadging dropping all the old names for UBET Hooray ......two articles in the CM today so it must be worth waiting for ...no more money back dividends ...punters to get the benefit of fractions ..all up place fixed odds available ..real competition with online bookies ...that'll be the day.Giddy Up :whistle:

Will post the stories from the CM later unless dubbles beats me to it. Giddy Up :beer:

Tatts has punt on a name, you bet One brand nationwide From page 63 THE operator of TAB and TattsBet is heading off increasingly hostile international competition with a new brand name and simplified online betting.

 
Brisbane-based Tatts Group, the operator of the TAB in four states and territories, will rebadge its wagering division under the name UBET from early next year.

The new name will be rolled out in conjunction with renovated retail outlets and a new website.

Tatts’ earnings are being hit by foreign-owned online operators such as British-owned Sportingbet and Bet365 and Irish-owned Sportsbet.

The companies, which currently have about 40 per cent of the wagering market, operate out of the Northern Territory because of the tax incentives offered there.
Tatts chief executive Robbie Cooke said the “spaghetti bowl” of brands currently used by the company – including TattsBet, Tatts, UNiTAB, TAB and Tote – would be replaced by the single brand – UBET.

Tatts is Australia’s largest provider of wagering products and services, with more than 1400 outlets across Queensland, South Australia, Tasmania and the Northern Territory.

“We wanted something that was short and punchy,” Mr Cooke (pictured) said, referring to the new name. “At the moment, it is a bit of a mess with a number of different brands being used.”

Tatts was formed through the merger of different wagering operators, including TAB in Queensland and Victorianbased Tattersalls.

Mr Cooke conceded Tatts had fallen behind in internet betting in the face of stiffer competition from purely online operators, which have the financial support of their foreign-owned parent companies.

“In 2000-01, we were the leading online site, but we did not keep improving,” Mr Cooke said. “These foreign corporations pay little tax and we do not have the financial grunt to match them in marketing. Online is always going to be competitive and you have to be ahead of the curve.” He said he was not satisfied with Tatts’ current online betting system and under the revamp there would be “fewer clicks”, making it simpler for customers to lodge a bet. He declined to provide details of the new website or the new outlets. NATHAN EXELBY’S TAKE P63  

Hard to take Robbie seriously if he thinks making fewer clicks and a name change will improve the bottom line for punters and their shareholders.......they need to be competitive...... better than their competitors ......and while I don't know Robbie it seems that anyone who has reached the level of CEO and still calls hisself  Robbie has something going for him ......although reading this load of spin doesn't support that theory.  :shutup: Giddy Up

Racing scribe Nathan Exelby adds some words of elaboration towards the back of the CM but apart from revealing the name UBet came out of an in house competition and that all staff are excited and there'll be a focus on customers Robbie wants to achieve a 7% increase there's nothing about any improved product ...which even Robbie should know is what's wanted. Giddy Up. :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Nov-28, 04:55 PM
I think the name change is a good one.

Still, totes remain hamstrung to a degree by their obligations in the retail arena.

Look forward to the new website.

Mr Cooke is fully aware that I want to take place parlays for 6d.

And that I reallllllllllllllllllllllllly detest rounding down.  :yes:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: monologue on 2014-Nov-28, 05:18 PM
I think the name change is a good one.

Still, totes remain hamstrung to a degree by their obligations in the retail arena.

Look forward to the new website.

Mr Cooke is fully aware that I want to take place parlays for 6d.

And that I reallllllllllllllllllllllllly detest rounding down.  :yes:

And while they're at it. What about money back for 4th?  What do you reckon dd? :)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Nov-28, 05:44 PM
Ummmm.... but only when WE run 4th.   :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Nov-29, 09:59 AM
And while they're at it. What about money back for 4th?  What do you reckon dd? :)

So you want lesser dividends for the first three placings ?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: monologue on 2014-Nov-29, 10:14 AM
So you want lesser dividends for the first three placings ?

If I'm only get 4th placing...yes of course :)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2014-Nov-29, 11:19 AM
Ummmm.... but only when WE run 4th.   :lol:

What, you don't use 4ths?  :shutup:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: monologue on 2014-Nov-29, 11:48 AM
What, you don't use 4ths?  :shutup:

Now ,now Gin ,stop stirring the pot :whistle:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: dubbledee on 2014-Nov-29, 12:01 PM
What, you don't use 4ths?  :shutup:

Unfortunately, I don't know till after the race that they've run 4th.  :shutup:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2014-Nov-29, 12:19 PM
Now ,now Gin ,stop stirring the pot :whistle:

 :shy:

 :angel:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Nov-29, 01:11 PM
Every few weeks I seem to have an issue with my phone app and getting quaddies on. There's always one meeting where the message says "you need to make a selection in every leg" even though it has been done
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Nov-30, 04:16 PM
This remains the most aggravating and frustrating site on the web! :bash:
The Media Centre is an unending source of angst. :rant:
After months of regularly being unable to watch "live" racing I have been able to get it for 3 weeks straight.
However, the  :censored: thing times out every 30 seconds or so and you have to restart it which takes a few seconds.
This will happen at least twice during a 1200m race and at least 3 times if 1400m.
When you do restart it will resume within a few seconds, however on resumption you will find yourself anywhere between 200m prior to where you dropped out to 200 metres forward of where you were. :wtf:
You can guarantee that it will drop out early in the straight and resume after they have crossed the line nearly every  :censored: time. :bash:
Why can't they fix this, it has gone on for ever. :chair:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-03, 09:42 AM
Lert, apolz but have taken a small break from the forum whilst I spent time doing a range of things, the highlight of which was some time spent in NE Vic in and around the township of Bright.  Are you still experiencing the issues faced last Sunday? P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Dec-03, 10:45 AM
Hi Philby, welcome back.
Will have a look when the racing starts this afternoon and let you know.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2014-Dec-03, 11:09 AM
philby42,

When trying to download the form for Catterick Bridge clickig on the skyform button results in a new window openig as per normal BUT
instead of the form downloading an Internet explorer box pops up telling you the site is trying to close the window..... and asks you if you want to close the window.

No matter if you answer yes or no the end result is the same - no form downloaded....

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-03, 12:45 PM
Hello Fours and others, Sky is experiencing significant issues at the moment, which includes loss of broadcast
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2014-Dec-03, 01:36 PM
philby42,

The problem is fixed now.

Possiby I was simply trying to look at the form before it was put in place?

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2014-Dec-03, 01:38 PM
philby42,

When trying to download the form for Catterick Bridge.....


The form for where  :what:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2014-Dec-03, 02:02 PM
PoisonPen7,

Its in pommy land

Don't kock the overseas racing - I mnaged 4 winers from 5 bets last night!

Fours
ps mind you one paid more for the place than the win.....
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Dec-03, 02:03 PM
Hi Philby,
Still have the same problem as per the last few weeks.
Just tried watching the live broadcast of race 3 at Sunshine Coast.
The broadcast stopped twice before the home turn; resumed at the same point when restarted.
As a little bonus the broadcast stopped about 10 metres before the winning post and switched back to the 250 metres and showed the last part of the race again.
At least I got to see them go past the post the last time. 8-)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2014-Dec-03, 02:07 PM
PoisonPen7,

Its in pommy land

Don't kock the overseas racing - I mnaged 4 winers from 5 bets last night!

Fours
ps mind you one paid more for the place than the win.....

Fours. I was going to call you a "despo" but then I remembered that I have had a bet at the Ballarat greyhounds tonight so it would be the pot calling the kettle black... :no:

PP7.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2014-Dec-03, 02:18 PM
Poisonpen7,

Vo cleans up on thse races I'm sure on a lots of little fish are sweet basis as the small pools do provide significant overs at times eg my $2.70 winerpaid $3.20 the place!

Desperado..... hardly . the opposite in fact... I look at ALL available venues and only bet where my conditions are met  - on a Tuesday more bets overseas is the usual outcome for this approach. Today local venues just baely have more qualifiers than the overseas ones.

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-06, 01:55 PM
Tried to get a statement from my bets today but the summary comes up blank
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-06, 02:24 PM
Wily, which channel you attempting statement on? Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-06, 09:17 PM
He did what i've done THREE TIMES THIS WEEK, click open my tab at the bottom of the betting page, then clicked full statement, which shows blank for todays bets, then i clicked past 7 days, and still a blank page, funny thing is, i reckon i've had maybe 100 bets in the past week, but they have been vapourised by the TAB  :/ And last nite, i had a small each way collect around midnite, the bet didnt exist on the statement, and my balance was not showing the collect....until this morning maybe 9 hours later. So what exactly do these I.T. folks do huh ? Isnt it part of their job to ensure that punters can view their statement with ALL their bets at any time of their choosing ?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2014-Dec-06, 09:32 PM
 :sleep:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-07, 08:04 AM
Vo, I couldn't replicate the issue.  I wonder if it is a volume thing, i.e. number of bets,  I will wait for Wily to report back and see if his bet volumes are similar to yours. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Dec-07, 08:34 AM
"Watched" about 10 races yesterday; Doomben, Toowoomba and some trots.
Never got to see a single finish between all of them  :rant: :rant: :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-07, 09:05 AM
He did what i've done THREE TIMES THIS WEEK, click open my tab at the bottom of the betting page, then clicked full statement, which shows blank for todays bets, then i clicked past 7 days, and still a blank page, funny thing is, i reckon i've had maybe 100 bets in the past week, but they have been vapourised by the TAB  :/ And last nite, i had a small each way collect around midnite, the bet didnt exist on the statement, and my balance was not showing the collect....until this morning maybe 9 hours later. So what exactly do these I.T. folks do huh ? Isnt it part of their job to ensure that punters can view their statement with ALL their bets at any time of their choosing ?


Hi Philby

It's as exactly as Vo wrote above.

It's working correctly today
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sydneysharks838 on 2014-Dec-07, 11:09 AM
Hey guys, I noticed on the TAB website we can now have fixed odds place multis, however when I went to put it on it always asked for a place amount and wouldn't put it in the betslip. Tried just the places and also combined with the win and still no luck. Any ideas what might be wrong there. Was trying online on my comp. Thanks
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-07, 12:55 PM
Yes mate, doesn't work for me either.
Surely someone in there has twigged as this started weeks ago.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-07, 02:18 PM
Yes mate, doesn't work for me either.
Surely someone in there has twigged as this started weeks ago.
Hello Sharkie and Wily, Place Multi is not available on the current instance of tab.com.au .  The plan is to make it available on the new site when it arrives.  Date tba on that one.  Until then account customers can place it on the Apps (Apple and Android) and with the phone operator ($10 min) applies.  Retail customers can also put on place multis using the self service terminal or with the operator in the outlet. Regards, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2014-Dec-07, 02:27 PM
is not available on the current instance of tab.com.au

Sums up everything perfectly.  ;)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: MagiC~* on 2014-Dec-07, 02:52 PM
The plan is to make it available on the new site when it arrives

Is the new one going to be be flash driven P2 ?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-07, 03:10 PM
Is the new one going to be be flash driven P2 ?
No - html5
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-07, 03:11 PM
Philby, how long after a race till replays become available. Wanting to see sunny coarst R1 but not available yet
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-07, 05:19 PM
Philby, how long after a race till replays become available. Wanting to see sunny coarst R1 but not available yet
Looks like we have a problem.  I can't get race 1 to play but race 7 plays fine and it finished about 25 mins ago.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: el zoro on 2014-Dec-08, 12:11 PM
Tattsbet seem to be putting on lots of o/s gallop meets but you have to wonder if it's worth their effort or there game plan. Maybe it doesn't take much to set up a meeting but as example today there is a meeting at Los Alamitos (wherever that is?)   :lol:   & the Pool on a race midway thru the meeting Race6 has pools of Win $565 Pla $295 Qn $24 Ex $2 Tri $18.  
 
 
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-08, 03:27 PM
Philby, how long after a race till replays become available. Wanting to see sunny coarst R1 but not available yet
Issue resolved now.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2014-Dec-08, 09:21 PM
I'm still trying to comprehend how in a replay shown at 5 am on Sun morning for Sat Brisbane racing the message keeps popping up due to technical difficulties the market and dividends for this race is not available.....'

For months we have not been able to get the tattsbet quaddie dividend after the last now they are repeatedly not showing any markets or dividends. 

Seems the technical difficulties are getting a lot more commonplace
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-08, 09:37 PM
As you said spud, it's been happening for months.

Why ?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-08, 10:12 PM
That's the end result when you jam 300+ races a day down punters throats every 2-3 minutes throughout the day and in the process prostitute your product. The system simply cant cope with the tsunami of daily racing from all corners of the globe. Plenty of evidence out there, from N/A appearing in the supertab column on sky for supertab win approximates, wrong dividends posted regularly on sky AFTER the race is over, form guides for overseas still a big issue, statements NOT viewable several times in the past week, for many hours a day, still no formguides in the telegraph for half the meetings last Satuday (mostly trots) no humans to talk to on the phone after 11pm if you have a problem, they've all pi$$ed off home (more cost cutting) (QLD TAB are now 24 hour service with humans there to take calls) I could go on but i'll just upset Ratsack so i'll leave it at that  :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: toltrice on 2014-Dec-09, 07:34 AM
so the site is off line for maintenance - happy 50th birthday!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Dec-09, 08:53 AM
Vo , that is why most rational punters have given up betting into pools that are equivalent to skating on thin ice, when you kill your own dividend if you have more the $2 on any combination on some of those exotic pools on tracks, in countries, nobody has ever heard of.Some genius at the TAB must have determined punters needed something to bet on in their spare time.They may have even thought a lot of shift workers are asleep during afternoons, when most punters bet, and they needed some meetings on which they could bet.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2014-Dec-09, 06:12 PM
So, is beta.tab.com.au the beta of the new site?
I notice that I was redirected there from lite.tab.com.au.
In fact, it looks a hell of a lot like lite.tab.com.au, but with different styles.

If this is going to be the new site, will it be possible to find the starting prices of runners who were unplaced?
And will there be a results page that lists the results from ALL races from a meeting on the one page?
Or will results only be available one race to a page?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: MagiC~* on 2014-Dec-09, 08:38 PM
Barry, beta.tab.com.au is designed for mobile devices, don't think that is going to be the new site
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2014-Dec-09, 09:00 PM
The TAB lite site was one of the few things they had right, now they change it  :rolleyes:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-10, 09:07 AM
Gin, Magic, Barry et al.

Thanks for your feedback re beta.tab.com.au.   The site has been released in a beta format so that we can elicit your feedback.  So please keep it coming.  The beta site's functionality will surpass the legacy site's functionality over time and will be subject to regular enhancement and improvement.

Magic - the site has been built to cater for all devices, the idea being that we are creating a single destination for wagering and the site will recognise the device and then render itself accordingly.  If you come across a device where you think the rendering can be improved, then let us know.

Cheers,

Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: MagiC~* on 2014-Dec-10, 09:17 AM
If this is the case for it being the new website for PC's my first criticism would be on a big monitor, having the css align the site to the left is really annoying, would much prefer it to be centred, I am looking left at quite an angle to view the site.

Along with the Windows 8 tile thingy going on, don't like windows 8 and don't like the tiles  :shy:

Seems very hard to get to find any thing, the navigation is not very obvious not very obvious  :tears:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-10, 09:22 AM
Thanks Magic, appreciate you taking the time to review and give us feedback. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: MagiC~* on 2014-Dec-10, 09:26 AM
I think if you centred the page so that on big screens you had equal white space on the left and right instead of just a massive amount of white space on the right, would make a massive difference, plus adding an easy navigation at the top , for racing, sports, home at the top for quick and easy navigation would make all the difference.

Also get rid of that stupid big tile on the home page and add some quick navigational links, again centre it and make it easy to find what you are looking for.

Bloody tiles whose idea was it for tiles, they take up to much space at the cost of more important stuff  :rant:

Not personal P2, just constructive criticism :)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-10, 09:28 AM
I think if you centred the page so that on big screens you had equal white space on the left and right instead of just a massive amount of white space on the right, would make a massive difference, plus adding an easy navigation at the top , for racing, sports, home at the top for quick and easy navigation would make all the difference.

Also get rid of that stupid big tile on the home page and add some quick navigational links, again centre it and make it easy to find what you are looking for.

Bloody tiles whose idea was it for tiles, they take up to much space at the cost of more important stuff  :rant:

Not personal P2, just constructive criticism :)
Thanks Magic, I know it is not personal.  Keep it coming.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: MagiC~* on 2014-Dec-10, 09:36 AM
Added a couple of screen captures

You can see how much white space is on my right

(http://s22.postimg.org/6051lrrrh/racing.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6051lrrrh/)

Below you can see the tiles are taking up all the space on my screen, with out any easy links to where I want to go and or I need to scroll down to see anything of importance

(http://s3.postimg.org/u3tc5tga7/home.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/u3tc5tga7/)

I have resized those images, so try and imagine them on a 24 inch computer screen, so multiply those images by 4
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: betupbob on 2014-Dec-10, 03:25 PM
The TAB lite site was one of the few things they had right, now they change it  :rolleyes:
just logged on for the first time on the new site, loved the old lite site,checked my balance, picked out my quinella,pressed submit and i am asked to login again, not two minutes after i logged in the first time, dont tell me they have stuffed this site up aswell                cheers
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: betupbob on 2014-Dec-10, 03:42 PM
logged out again     shes f...cked
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: betupbob on 2014-Dec-10, 03:46 PM
the last lite site was good, then they let the same clowns stuff this up,   please explain yyyyy
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-10, 05:36 PM
Like with most things new I have trouble navigating. I can't see a tag to place a quaddy bet on Goulburn tomorrow. Doesn't mean it's not there but easy for us elderly  :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2014-Dec-10, 06:01 PM
I tried for you wily.
Menu racing then tomorrow.

Click on quaddie, then race 4 and select the dividend for your horse, then go to race 5 etd.

Hope this makes sense to you.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2014-Dec-10, 09:53 PM
...The site has been released in a beta format so that we can elicit your feedback.  So please keep it coming. 

Excellent! Thanks Phil, I hope you guys are doing this Agile. Nice to have a chance to submit feedback.

A couple of suggestions/questions:
1. On go-live, will there be a page where all the results from every race from a single meeting are displayed? As per current site (but not in Flash!)?
2. On go-live, will there be a page listing the last 10-20 race results as they come through (preferably auto-refreshed)? Similar to the current results page.
3. On go-live, will there be a race results page that shows the final starting prices of all runners in the field, not just the dividends of the placegetters?
4. On go-live, will there be a Batch Bet (Expressbet) function?

5. If the above will not be available on go-live, will the 'old' (current) site remain online until those functions are released? Or are there no plans for any/all of the above?

I'm keen to see that existing useful functionality be reproduced in the 'new' site, not discarded.

Cheers!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-11, 06:15 AM
I tried for you wily.
Menu racing then tomorrow.

Click on quaddie, then race 4 and select the dividend for your horse, then go to race 5 etd.

Hope this makes sense to you.


Thanks mate


A lot more cumbersome than the previous quaddy method where all 4 legs appear on the same page.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Dec-11, 12:00 PM
How does one find the grid for quinellas and other exotics ?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2014-Dec-11, 12:20 PM
go to the race you wish to bet on

left click on quin (where the pool is )

 8-)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-11, 02:10 PM
the whole system is screwed, no odds after the race on sky, simply N/A, and next race to jump backlogged by 14 minutes and counting on BOTH supertab and NSW websites, absolutely hopeless, and on a busy betting day  emthdown
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-11, 02:23 PM
the whole system is screwed, no odds after the race on sky, simply N/A, and next race to jump backlogged by 14 minutes and counting on BOTH supertab and NSW websites, absolutely hopeless, and on a busy betting day  emthdown
Thanks Vo, network specialists are working on restoring sevice as we speak. Cheers, Phiby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Dec-11, 02:41 PM
What a joke, nobody on course at kyneton can get a bet on the tote nor at any TAB agency. You can only bet online, but the odds are an hour behind in updating.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: toltrice on 2014-Dec-11, 02:44 PM
this happens too often for the "specialists" not to have figured out what causes it
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-11, 02:53 PM
touch tone is also available for bets on 132 698
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Dec-11, 02:59 PM
Must have something to do with "new enhanced" website.Just as well it is a Thursday afternoon  :shy:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-11, 04:04 PM
I went to take a quaddy this morning and to also have a bet,
Bondo was down as a scratching in the last race form. It now appears to be running  :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-11, 04:07 PM
Impacted device has been identified and service restoration has been achieved, however we are still waiting for data to catch up.  Thanks for your patience.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-11, 04:36 PM
I suspect the excessive co-mingling with New Zealand played some part in today's debacle as well, Hastings gallops, washed down with huge cards at Hawera and Addington trots, and Cambridge puppies. I knew it was serious straight away, when the next to jump was badly affected, it's been pretty good of late, and the letters N/A appearing on sky. This has also affected punters resorting to betting with corporates, some have not paid divs from over 2 hours ago, not that the tab would give a rats ar$e about punters betting with corporates  :rant: I think instead of xmas bonuses for tab exectutives like Attenborough, PENALTY RATES should apply, as in REDUCTION in pay  :mad:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Dec-11, 04:59 PM
Even Tabcorp's offshoot Luxbet are unable to credit accounts because Tabcorp have not given them the go-ahead  to payout, despite, in my case, the race was decided one hour ago.
Vo you should give up punting and apply for a job in their IT department, even though you still use Windows 95 , you would be a walk up starter .  :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2014-Dec-11, 05:17 PM
despite, in my case, the race was decided one hour ago.

Stop your whinging. I'm waiting for a tri I got at 3pm.   :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2014-Dec-11, 05:31 PM


3 1/2 hours and counting is a "Slight Delay".  :wacko:

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Dec-12, 08:52 AM
THE TAB has launched an investigation into a major breakdown of its computer system, which cost it hundreds of thousands of dollars and infuriated punters who could not place bets for up to three hours on Thursday.
The crash affected other areas of the TAB’s wagering business, including KENO and online betting, as well the TAB outlets.
Computer and IT experts worked frantically to restore the system which crashed just after 3pm and took about three hours to fully restore most of the services
It was one of the biggest system crashes in the TAB’s history.
The TAB’s media manager Adam Hamilton said there were still some small issues with the system on Thursday night.
“We are as frustrated as our customers were and we apologise for the inconvenience,” Hamilton said.
“And we will be doing a full investigation into what caused it and will be doing everything in our power to try to ensure it doesn’t happen.
“We had all available resources working on the problem.”
Hamilton said the breakdown affected a wide variety of the TAB’s wagering business, some more than others.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-12, 09:17 AM
Thanks Bubba - these matters taken extremely seriously.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2014-Dec-12, 11:22 AM
THE TAB has launched an investigation into a major breakdown of its computer system, which cost it hundreds of thousands of dollars and infuriated punters who could not place bets for up to three hours on Thursday.
The crash affected other areas of the TAB’s wagering business, including KENO and online betting, as well the TAB outlets.
Computer and IT experts worked frantically to restore the system which crashed just after 3pm and took about three hours to fully restore most of the services
It was one of the biggest system crashes in the TAB’s history.
The TAB’s media manager Adam Hamilton said there were still some small issues with the system on Thursday night.
“We are as frustrated as our customers were and we apologise for the inconvenience,” Hamilton said.
“And we will be doing a full investigation into what caused it and will be doing everything in our power to try to ensure it doesn’t happen.
“We had all available resources working on the problem.”
Hamilton said the breakdown affected a wide variety of the TAB’s wagering business, some more than others.


How about a "corporate style free bet" to make up for the inconvenience Adam   :biggrin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-12, 11:33 AM
Hi Philby, it might pay to take a close look at  todays racing index...notice anything strange ? Well i do, there are double ups of the three late nite UK meetings, the top ones have the letters GBR in upper case, and the bottom three in lower case, it's the same damn meeting, so why is it there twice ? And try clicking the lower case ones...comes up with the message "fixed odds not yet open"    :lol:   only problem is, there is no fixed odds betting on those races, watch out this doesn't crash the website today, it's basically like a Saturday or Sunday there are that many meetings on today. This lower case for UK meetings has been going on for months, how come no one has picked up on it before ?

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-12, 11:42 AM
Also, click on yonkers trots race 4, which has just concluded, system not recognising the race is over, and the same no fixed odds message comes up, and yet another screw-up, they just showed yonkers race 5 on sky LIVE, only problem is...tab coverage by tabcorp ceased at race 4     :lol:   

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing

I rang customer service, who have informed me that there was only fixed odds betting on races 2 3 4 5 and no parimutual betting, yet when you click results, it says betting was on races 1 2 3 4, so another conflict of information there, but i did see race 5 on sky, but why is the website info wrong ???
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-12, 01:00 PM
Hi Philby, it might pay to take a close look at  todays racing index...notice anything strange ? Well i do, there are double ups of the three late nite UK meetings, the top ones have the letters GBR in upper case, and the bottom three in lower case, it's the same damn meeting, so why is it there twice ? And try clicking the lower case ones...comes up with the message "fixed odds not yet open"     :lol:    only problem is, there is no fixed odds betting on those races, watch out this doesn't crash the website today, it's basically like a Saturday or Sunday there are that many meetings on today. This lower case for UK meetings has been going on for months, how come no one has picked up on it before ?

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing
Vo, I can't see any duplicates from o'seas. Cheers, Philby42
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-12, 01:06 PM
They have obviously been removed in the last half hour or so since i complained about it, but it's been going on for around a year. If you look in the mornings, say around 9am or so, you will often see this occur, always the overseas races. I notice these things, because i often bet on them and use the website to see what meetings are being covered, it's easy to spot the double-ups, the wrong ones always at the bottom of the gallops, and in lower case the letters gbr as opposed to the earlier ones GBR. I'm sure stuff like this creates many other problems.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2014-Dec-12, 01:18 PM
Philby42,

What happened to the divs being the same for the WA tab and VICTAB yesterday? eg Mackay race 3

Yes I was not happy with the dividend being much lower for the trifecta once finally declared on VICTAB hours after it was up on the WA tab screen.

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-12, 01:37 PM
Fours, yesterday's events resulted in WA being un-commingled from the SuperTab pool. Regards, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2014-Dec-12, 01:53 PM
Philby42,

Thankyou for the exlanation.

Might be something there for jfc to cogitate on!

fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: monologue on 2014-Dec-12, 02:28 PM
maybe the tab should invest in one of these.

http://www.chonday.com/Videos/the-writer-automaton
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-12, 03:26 PM
There appears to be an issue with the skyform on the app as well. It's wrong

Asadauskaite has had one lifetime start for 1 win and 5 placings  :chin:

It's been the case with most horses I've looked at today
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-12, 07:41 PM
Trying to be on the new lite tab and it tells me betting is currently unavailable :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-12, 08:03 PM
Wily, just logged on to beta.tab.com.au and placed a bet on the next in melbourne without issue.  Was this the site you were referring to? Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: vadim on 2014-Dec-12, 08:06 PM
Trying to be on the new lite tab and it tells me betting is currently unavailable :chin:

Hope that was before our race   :biggrin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-12, 08:11 PM
Hope that was before our race   :biggrin:


sadly not mate  :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-12, 08:12 PM
Wily, just logged on to beta.tab.com.au and placed a bet on the next in melbourne without issue.  Was this the site you were referring to? Cheers, Philby


Thats it mate. Got a bet on the app ok, using my phone but not that site
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-12, 08:36 PM

Thats it mate. Got a bet on the app ok, using my phone but not that site
What sort of phone are you using?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-13, 10:28 AM
Trying to be on the new lite tab and it tells me betting is currently unavailable :chin:


still happening for me
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-13, 11:01 AM
Missing from todays Daily Telegraph is the form/fields for the following Australian meetings, they dont have their existence recognised, even interstate city harness meets, all at the expense of full page form for NSW trots and horses, to pay for that Randwick hotel  :mad:

GALLOPS MISSING missing

Toowoomba twilight   :o :o :o
Cranbourne night meeting  :o :o :o
Darwin twilight
Esperence
Stawell  

HARNESS MEETINGS missing

Albion Park   :o :o :o
Globe Derby   :o :o :o
Gloucester Park  :o :o :o

Ray Thomas, you can shove your paper right up your ar$e, you treat punters with contempt, succumbing to the whims of racing NSW and TABCORP
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2014-Dec-13, 11:19 AM
Any response re my earlier questions, Philby?

Excellent! Thanks Phil, I hope you guys are doing this Agile. Nice to have a chance to submit feedback.

A couple of suggestions/questions:
1. On go-live, will there be a page where all the results from every race from a single meeting are displayed? As per current site (but not in Flash!)?
2. On go-live, will there be a page listing the last 10-20 race results as they come through (preferably auto-refreshed)? Similar to the current results page.
3. On go-live, will there be a race results page that shows the final starting prices of all runners in the field, not just the dividends of the placegetters?
4. On go-live, will there be a Batch Bet (Expressbet) function?

5. If the above will not be available on go-live, will the 'old' (current) site remain online until those functions are released? Or are there no plans for any/all of the above?

I'm keen to see that existing useful functionality be reproduced in the 'new' site, not discarded.

Cheers!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2014-Dec-13, 11:33 AM
Missing from todays Daily Telegraph is the form/fields for the following Australian meetings, they dont have their existence recognised, even interstate city harness meets, all at the expense of full page form for NSW trots and horses, to pay for that Randwick hotel  :mad:

GALLOPS MISSING missing

Toowoomba twilight   :o :o :o
Cranbourne night meeting  :o :o :o
Darwin twilight
Esperence
Stawell  

HARNESS MEETINGS missing

Albion Park   :o :o :o
Globe Derby   :o :o :o
Gloucester Park  :o :o :o

Ray Thomas, you can shove your paper right up your ar$e, you treat punters with contempt, succumbing to the whims of racing NSW and TABCORP

why should racing nsw pay to have the form for those races in the paper ?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-13, 11:46 AM
What about the TAB paying?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-13, 11:50 AM
ummm, TABCORP should, they are the two organisations that whack up the money for the publication of race fields, no problem if racing NSW want to stump up extra bucks for full page bells and whistles form for anything in NSW, but what about TAB punters that bet on meetings like Cranbourne, Toowoomba, Gloucester Park trots ? Dont they have the right to see the meetings actually exist if they pay their $2 for the Saturday paper, TABCORP are actually MORE to blame than racing NSW, but it takes two to properly tango  :rant: The two night meetings at the gallops tonight Cranny and Toowoomba have no form/fields in the paper, i dare say the Melbourne Herald Sun might have Cranny being in Victoria, but Toowoomba is doubtful.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2014-Dec-13, 01:49 PM
Ohhh Oh!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-13, 01:53 PM
Yep, it's gonski :mad:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-13, 01:55 PM
system failure alert, pools not updating, next to jump 15 minutes behind  :rant: :mad: >:(
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: toltrice on 2014-Dec-13, 01:59 PM
obviously learned nothing from the other day. beyond a joke
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2014-Dec-13, 06:19 PM
ummm, TABCORP should, they are the two organisations that whack up the money for the publication of race fields, no problem if racing NSW want to stump up extra bucks for full page bells and whistles form for anything in NSW, but what about TAB punters that bet on meetings like Cranbourne, Toowoomba, Gloucester Park trots ? Dont they have the right to see the meetings actually exist if they pay their $2 for the Saturday paper, TABCORP are actually MORE to blame than racing NSW, but it takes two to properly tango  :rant: The two night meetings at the gallops tonight Cranny and Toowoomba have no form/fields in the paper, i dare say the Melbourne Herald Sun might have Cranny being in Victoria, but Toowoomba is doubtful.

ummmmmmm

tabcorp , racing nsw

cant work you out VO
so racing nsw is looking after racing in nsw
tabcorp is looking after racing in nsw , in the nsw racing paper
and
tabcorp is looking after racing in vic in there newspaper

your point is  :whistle:

 :slaphead:

got it they are not doing what you want  8-)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2014-Dec-13, 06:49 PM
I subscribe to the digital edition of the Courier Mail http://couriermail.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx?key=d8ab05ca-a96a-4de0-82ef-b75c522ce7f5&target=CourierMail

Included with that I also get the Herald Sun, ( Melb ) The Telegraph ( Syd ) &  The Advertiser ( Adel ), all for about $1 a day.

I can priint off any form guilde I want
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2014-Dec-13, 06:58 PM
I subscribe to the digital edition of the Courier Mail http://couriermail.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx?key=d8ab05ca-a96a-4de0-82ef-b75c522ce7f5&target=CourierMail

Included with that I also get the Herald Sun, ( Melb ) The Telegraph ( Syd ) &  The Advertiser ( Adel ), all for about $1 a day.

I can priint off any form guilde I want

nice bubba   8-)

easy really  :bulb:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-14, 06:48 AM
Excellent! Thanks Phil, I hope you guys are doing this Agile. Nice to have a chance to submit feedback.

A couple of suggestions/questions:
1. On go-live, will there be a page where all the results from every race from a single meeting are displayed? As per current site (but not in Flash!)?
2. On go-live, will there be a page listing the last 10-20 race results as they come through (preferably auto-refreshed)? Similar to the current results page.
3. On go-live, will there be a race results page that shows the final starting prices of all runners in the field, not just the dividends of the placegetters?
4. On go-live, will there be a Batch Bet (Expressbet) function?

5. If the above will not be available on go-live, will the 'old' (current) site remain online until those functions are released? Or are there no plans for any/all of the above?

I'm keen to see that existing useful functionality be reproduced in the 'new' site, not discarded.

Cheers!
Thanks Barry, our approach to digital is Agile. With increments being pushed out every 2 weeks or so.  The features you have listed/requested have been shared with the product owner.  The product owner manages the backlog and over time I expect a number of these features to be included but not necessarily all.  We monitor carefully what punters actually do on the site (both the old flash and new html5 versions).   With respect to your question on cutover dates and what will and won't be included on the new site, no decisions have been made at this point in time.

Thanks again for your feedback and keep it coming.

Cheers,

Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-14, 09:17 AM
Who picked the quaddie legs at sha tin today :wacko:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-14, 09:36 AM
Wily, they are on the last four races which I thought was pretty typical for thoroughbreds. Cheers Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-14, 09:43 AM
just logged on for the first time on the new site, loved the old lite site,checked my balance, picked out my quinella,pressed submit and i am asked to login again, not two minutes after i logged in the first time, dont tell me they have stuffed this site up aswell                cheers
Bob, thanks for your feedback.  We have been tuning these settings.  If you have time and inclination grateful if you could log in and see if issues re-occur.  Thanks, P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-14, 09:44 AM
Mate, the point being that nobody knows those horses in the last 2 races and the quaddie should have been on the 4 big international races that we all will be paying attention to.

Surely that would generate a bigger pool and isn't that what it's all about?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-14, 09:48 AM
Thanks Wily, it is one of those scenarios where we damned if we do and damned if we don't but I''ll pass your feedback on all the same. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-14, 10:09 AM
Mate, for the life of me I can't imagine one person complaining iff the quaddie leg was the International sprint rather than the class 2 mile

It was a no brainer and a money maker, someone in there has got this major wrong and I do have to wonder about their marketing nous


End of rant  :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-14, 04:56 PM
Skyform not working for HK
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-14, 05:16 PM
Wily, it is working ok for me.  Was it something in particular that is not working for you?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-14, 08:34 PM
I just saw a message on SKY,  saying that any bets placed on Sale greyhounds race 9 on both supertab and nswtab AFTER 20.23 and 04 seconds can get a full refund, be they winning or losing bets   :lol:  Seems that someone at tabcorp was asleep at the wheel and forgot to close the race  :whistle:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: MagiC~* on 2014-Dec-15, 09:47 AM
Been playing around with Google Chromecast and it seems it works in mirroring the racing video feed from Sky Racing Media Centre from my Android mobile phone onto my TV.

Will be great for when I travel and stay in a hotel.

Only problem for some would be you will need two devices, a Laptop, Mobile and or Tablet.

I have tried it with two Samsung Galaxy Devices, the Note 3 and the Galaxy S3 as the WIFI hotspot to work as the bridge between my Note 3 and the Chrome Cast dongle.

Hopefully Sky don't do anything to cripple this ability   emthup
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2014-Dec-15, 04:42 PM
I just saw a message on SKY,  saying that any bets placed on Sale greyhounds race 9 on both supertab and nswtab AFTER 20.23 and 04 seconds can get a full refund, be they winning or losing bets   :lol:  Seems that someone at tabcorp was asleep at the wheel and forgot to close the race  :whistle:

Nothing on social media that I can see. Now the TAB wouldn't be trying to not publicise the refunds. Nah surely not.  :whistle:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: The Aussie Bricklayer on 2014-Dec-16, 04:35 PM

(http://s8.postimg.org/eqjga7xdd/Tabcorp.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/eqjga7xdd/)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: The Aussie Bricklayer on 2014-Dec-16, 04:40 PM
TABCORP are now referring $1.00 bets at odds of 1.06 the Betting Manager.

The Betting Manager has a habit of rejecting these bets where TABCORP's liability is a gigantic 6 cents.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ledgerr77 on 2014-Dec-17, 08:18 AM


   Should be a standard minimum bet for all these fixed odds bookies..... we have to listen to Tab Troppo Goons say we've laid this to lose 20 k....biggest go round Australia.....please get me a bucket..... :thumbsd:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2014-Dec-17, 09:29 AM
Guys, thanks for your feedback.  Consistent with earlier posts we don't comment on risk management practices, however they may play out. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Rodent on 2014-Dec-17, 11:50 AM
If you want to play in the fixed odds game, you need to play fair. If you don't like risking a paltry $1000 for the privilege of offering fixed odds, then f*** off out of the space. It would be much better if there were fewer people offering fixed odds with minimum bet rules. Everyone could get on and bookies would have a chance of balancing their books. As it is, we get agencies happy to bet losers and leaving winners with nowhere to get on.  :bleh:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: The Aussie Bricklayer on 2014-Dec-17, 11:59 AM
TABCORP are a dishonest bookmaker.

TABCORP now take up to 60 seconds to decide whether or not to accept a Fixed Odds bets on horses, trots and dogs from some punters.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-17, 02:02 PM
Munsie doesn't even know what constitutes a late scratching, look at ANY race offering fixed odds, be it dogs horses or trots, even if there are 5 runners left, you will notice in the fixed odds column that EVERY runner that has been scratched has been a LATE scratching, which is incorrect in almost every case, could present a problem for tabcorp if a punter thinks he's getting a third dividend, i thought that once before i became aware of the multitude of late scratchings. They are creating yet another illusion.  emthdown  For the record, a late scratching is any runner that comes out after the scratching time, which i believe is 8.30am in the eastern states, tell that to Munsie, or he might just get swamped with claims of unpaid dividends for the drum  :rolleyes:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2014-Dec-17, 02:14 PM
7.30 Vo
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: worldisavampire on 2014-Dec-18, 01:16 PM
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Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2014-Dec-18, 01:38 PM
Worldisavamire,

Go to your settings and make flexi your default yourself!

Fours
its not the tabs fault if internet betting is what you are discussing
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-18, 01:42 PM
Yes, I have mine set up with flexi as default
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Dec-18, 01:44 PM
Me too.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2014-Dec-18, 01:48 PM
Go to:

My Account

My Preferences

Racing & Betting

Default Flexi Bet
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: worldisavampire on 2014-Dec-18, 02:08 PM
Thank you magnificent people.

Will that also now be the default when I use my app or do I need to go in and do it there too.

Thanks again.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-19, 03:25 PM
The bet builder on the new site (https://beta.tab.com.au/racing/meetings/today/R) doesnt appear to give me a system option. All I can take is a fixed odds all up multi with my 5 legs. No system 4 or 3 etc :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-24, 03:22 PM
Once again skyform is showing horses as being scratched when they are NOT. This is a constant
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-24, 03:26 PM
where might i find form for south africa tonite, which has partial TAB coverage ??
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: specialweek on 2014-Dec-24, 03:36 PM
Try these Vo.
tabgold.co.za or tabonline.co.za
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-24, 03:51 PM
Skyform has the rubbish ratings available but no other info
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2014-Dec-24, 08:36 PM
hhhmmm doesn't appear to have a scheduled replay time of todays Ipswich meeting on Sky 1 tonight or tomorrow morning......
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-24, 08:39 PM
No mate, they've shoved it onto the stations you have to pay for. A desperate money grab at tie when they are blacking out live racing
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2014-Dec-24, 08:41 PM
yeah thanks mate just saw your thread, strange when i rang up Customer service today, i was advised it will be showed on Sky racing 1 but the lovely Jenny who I spoke to had to get a supervisor to confirm but was unable to advise the time. Now I know why......

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-26, 09:33 AM
according to sky form, every race at Pinjarra today jumps at 12 noon    :lol:  

http://www.skyracing.com.au/tab/form/printable_tabformat/TAB_Style_Summary_WR261214.PDF

same for Bowraville (NSW) and Warwick (QLD)

http://www.skyracing.com.au/tab/form/printable_tabformat/TAB_Style_Summary_YH261214.PDF

http://www.skyracing.com.au/tab/form/printable_tabformat/TAB_Style_Summary_BH261214.PDF

Do Tabcorp breathilise their IT staff on boxing day ?  :beer: :beer: :beer:

Once again, numerous gallops around Australia are NOT in todays daily telegraph, 3 perth meetings for starters, Albany, Esperence and Pinjarra  emthdown
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-26, 09:46 AM
Oh and tell Peter V'Landys that there's no Newcastle gallops form guide in todays tele either, presumably racing NSW stumped up for that, they gave preference to fields for SCONE tomorrow   :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-26, 11:10 AM
Once again skyform is showing horses as being scratched when they are NOT. This is a constant



One extreme to the other. Now skyform has no scratching's :shutup:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2014-Dec-26, 01:27 PM
why no telecast on ANY channels for Bowraville (NSW) Kerang (VICT) and Ballina (NSW) another kick in the ar$e for punters  emthdown
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2014-Dec-31, 11:33 AM
Skyform still persists in listing reserves as scrathings :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2015-Jan-01, 03:01 AM
So now they're back showing NSW & VIC  races on Sky we don't get a replay of Toowoomba & the Bernborough Hcp- double up replays of Gosford & Euchuca & the like & not one of Twba. Sack your programmer it's not good enough
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: worldisavampire on 2015-Jan-01, 05:00 PM
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Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: MagiC~* on 2015-Jan-02, 01:41 PM
Are both the old site and new site still operating side by side ?

www.tab.com.au/#!/nsw/racing

https://www.tab.com.au

I guess  the answer to that is yes  :shy:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2015-Jan-02, 08:10 PM


Refresh my browser or refresh your system

Recently I have been frustrated, when getting a bet on late with Tabcorp to be told 'refresh your browser' -- and the consequence is that the bet is not placed because it takes too long to log in again.,

Why is this new hurdle being placed between punters and losing their money?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2015-Jan-02, 08:17 PM

Refresh my browser or refresh your system

Recently I have been frustrated, when getting a bet on late with Tabcorp to be told 'refresh your browser' -- and the consequence is that the bet is not placed because it takes too long to log in again.,

Why is this new hurdle being placed between punters and losing their money?


do you bet   :/
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-02, 08:22 PM
Peter

Its not a new hurdle. It's been happening to some of us for years
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Jan-02, 10:35 PM
Yes,

The Gamblers help line won't give you any tips either!

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jan-03, 07:47 AM

Refresh my browser or refresh your system

Recently I have been frustrated, when getting a bet on late with Tabcorp to be told 'refresh your browser' -- and the consequence is that the bet is not placed because it takes too long to log in again.,

Why is this new hurdle being placed between punters and losing their money?

Peter,

Can I suggest you try beta.tab.com.au where what you experienced shouldn't occur.

Cheers,

Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jan-03, 07:49 AM
Are both the old site and new site still operating side by side ?

www.tab.com.au/#!/nsw/racing

https://www.tab.com.au

I guess  the answer to that is yes  :shy:

Happy ny Magic,

Yes, the plan is to parallel run the classic and beta site for a few months.

Cheers,

Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-04, 09:31 AM
Trying to watch Gold Coast replays on line. Get through the first 3 races and then they make me log in again at the "top of the page"

Over and over the same thing happens. first 3 available and nothing works after that
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jan-04, 11:16 AM
Trying to watch Gold Coast replays on line. Get through the first 3 races and then they make me log in again at the "top of the page"

Over and over the same thing happens. first 3 available and nothing works after that
Wily, Gold Coast replays working ok for me from r1 to r8. P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ricochet88 on 2015-Jan-04, 11:17 AM
Philby ,

          Admittedly I havent logged into the new site yet but when I try to use it for reference I find I cant get past results, even the day befores and to get scratchings I have to go to each individual race which is very time consuming .

           Apart from those whinges I like the layout of the site and possibly I am doing something wrong which I hope you can help with. At least no Flash player now and I have also deleted one which was destroying Face Book Apps.  :lol:

                                                                                                           Ricochet  :biggrin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jan-04, 11:20 AM
Skyform still persists in listing reserves as scrathings :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Wily, apolz for delay in replying.  Checked Skyform for Wenty Park tomorrow night and all appears to be in order.  If you see an instance of this occuring again, grateful if you could let me know. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jan-04, 11:28 AM
Philby ,

          Admittedly I havent logged into the new site yet but when I try to use it for reference I find I cant get past results, even the day befores and to get scratchings I have to go to each individual race which is very time consuming .

           Apart from those whinges I like the layout of the site and possibly I am doing something wrong which I hope you can help with. At least no Flash player now and I have also deleted one which was destroying Face Book Apps.   :lol:  

                                                                                                           Ricochet   :biggrin:  
Thanks Ricochet,

Your feedback on the website is always welcome.  Results and scratchings are in the queue of things to enhance so you can take comfort I think that you are doing nothing wrong.

Cheers,

Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-04, 11:57 AM
Moruya race 7 tomorrow, Brown Bob listed as scratched in skyform but not scratched according to the betting page.


Happens daily and cost me a $900 tri last week

https://www.tab.com.au/#!/nsw/racing/betting/standard/MORUYA/Races/7/05-Jan-2015



http://www.skyracing.com.au/tab/form/summary.php?meetingid=86762&raceid=776011&plusday=0


Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Jan-04, 02:24 PM
When using Mozilla Firefox I get a black screen - every time. Tried clearing cache, refresh - nothing fixes it.

IE and Chrome OK.


(http://s21.postimg.org/y7f6nrbmb/black_screen.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/y7f6nrbmb/)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2015-Jan-04, 02:35 PM
I use Mozilla Firefox all the time PP but have never experienced that.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Jan-04, 04:39 PM
I use Mozilla Firefox all the time PP but have never experienced that.

Yes very weird sobig.

When I debug the page it says it cannot load the style sheet - the style sheet contains font sizes, background colours, etc.


(http://s3.postimg.org/724q87znj/error.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/724q87znj/)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-05, 06:58 PM
Moruya race 7 tomorrow, Brown Bob listed as scratched in skyform but not scratched according to the betting page.


Happens daily and cost me a $900 tri last week

https://www.tab.com.au/#!/nsw/racing/betting/standard/MORUYA/Races/7/05-Jan-2015



http://www.skyracing.com.au/tab/form/summary.php?meetingid=86762&raceid=776011&plusday=0





Brown Bob did race despite skyform showing him as scratched
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-05, 07:20 PM
Double Danish listed as scratched in skyform and of course you can't access his form. Race 1 Tamworth



I bet he runs tomorrow :wacko:


In saying that, the usual errors dont appear in other races. Someone may be doing their job
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jan-06, 10:42 AM
Double Danish listed as scratched in skyform and of course you can't access his form. Race 1 Tamworth



I bet he runs tomorrow :wacko:


In saying that, the usual errors dont appear in other races. Someone may be doing their job
Thanks Wily, appreciate your diligence and have forwarded this matter through to relevant teams to resolve.  Cheers, philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-08, 11:44 AM
Sorry Philby, I have contacted customer service and got no response

The issue continues. race 7 Cranbourne tomorrow has the 2 emergencies down as scratching's. They are not
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Jan-08, 12:10 PM
just curious, why do sky sports radio no longer have hourly pips to indicate it's exactly 12pm 1pm etc...was very useful to synchronise my watch which tends to lose a few seconds a week. And as we all know, a few seconds can make the difference between getting on and NOT getting on  :yes:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Jan-16, 02:27 PM
Sky Media Centre on the blink AGAIN!

Unable to access replays of any Dalby races.
Just get an error message saying "clip not available" (despite it being flagged as available on the menu!)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jan-17, 12:04 AM
Thanks Lert, have advised the relevant team.  When I went through the races it appeared to be Races 1,4 and 7 from Dalby that wouldn't play. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Jan-17, 01:08 AM
Thanks Lert, have advised the relevant team.  When I went through the races it appeared to be Races 1,4 and 7 from Dalby that wouldn't play. Cheers, Philby
Thanks Philby.
None of the Dalby races were working at the time of writing.
I tried again an hour or so ago and could get all bar the first; which was the main one I wanted.
Just tried again now and race 1 is working too now. 8-)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-17, 08:28 AM
Numbers 12 through to 16 are listed as scratched in skyform. Gold Coast R7


This is not the case, who do I sue if I lose cash again :mad:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jan-17, 09:01 AM
Wily, appears to be ok now. Regards, P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-17, 09:19 AM
Mate, it's ok now because it's after official scratchings time.
The issue is always before hand

Numbers 12, 13 & 14 are now running but it was  impossible to get their form as the tab had them as scratchings becuasue they were emergencies
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-17, 09:25 AM
For example. Ballina Race 1 tomorrow, numbers 15 & 16 are listed as scratched. How can you possibly do the form when you can't access every horse?
It is before scratching time so they are not scratched
Ditto R2. 15 to 18 are scratched
Ditto races 3, 5, 6 & bloody 8

This has already cost me $900 once but I bet you a $500 credit that one of those listed as scratched, with NO form unavailable, runs  :lol:


This is not only unacceptable but it seriously opens you guys up to some form of litigation, I would asume
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Jan-17, 09:12 PM
any reason why the "next race to jump" on both websites is "GREYHOUND FUTURES" in -73 minutes ? Assuming no one here verifies this, just look whats in todays racing schedule at 9pm, and i tried 3 times to log out and log back in but the sonofabitch simply re-appears, and seems like I.T. dont work saturday nights  emthdown

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing/racingschedule/17-Jan-2015
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2015-Jan-17, 09:44 PM
OK for me at the moment Vo
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Jan-18, 06:24 AM
Philby42,

On the issue of not being able to have the NSWTAB and the VICTAB both open at the same time on the one computer someone mentioned to me that setting a second monitor up as a virtual monitor may solve the problem. Any ideas on this?

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-18, 08:50 AM
For example. Ballina Race 1 tomorrow, numbers 15 & 16 are listed as scratched. How can you possibly do the form when you can't access every horse?
It is before scratching time so they are not scratched
Ditto R2. 15 to 18 are scratched
Ditto races 3, 5, 6 & bloody 8

This has already cost me $900 once but I bet you a $500 credit that one of those listed as scratched, with NO form unavailable, runs  :lol:


This is not only unacceptable but it seriously opens you guys up to some form of litigation, I would asume



Race 1 #15 is running
R2 #15 to 18 are ALL running
R5, #15 & 16 are running
R6 #15 is running
R8, #15,16,17,18 ARE ALL RUNNING


That's 12 horses that you couldn't do the form for or bet on prior to 8-30am today and that's only at 1 meeting
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Jan-18, 12:36 PM
why would there be all these meetings with similar sounding names all in the same time zone ?

BALLINA
BENALLA
BALLARAT

BORDERTOWN
and for good measure mount BARKER
TAMWORTH (plus tamworth harness tonite)
TOWNSVILLE

and Benalla and BALLINA are around 5 minutes apart for good measure. me thinks the TAB are factoring in an extra 100k or so in extra revenue today for wrong bets by punters, no cancellation policy for internet punters, they must all be manipulators, unlike their tab agency counterparts who make genuine errors   :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Jan-20, 12:48 PM
Have a listen to Shaun Cosgrove's voice on sky racing radio...he's gornnnn, does he sound butchers hook or what   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

that's the price the talking heads pay for the non stop reading of tote dividends instead of playing live races from the start. The speed at which dividends are read out i doubt anyone could actually take it all in, what a total waste of air time  emthdown
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-20, 04:36 PM


Race 1 #15 is running
R2 #15 to 18 are ALL running
R5, #15 & 16 are running
R6 #15 is running
R8, #15,16,17,18 ARE ALL RUNNING


That's 12 horses that you couldn't do the form for or bet on prior to 8-30am today and that's only at 1 meeting


Still happening. Impossible to do the form for Doomben tomorrow
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Jan-20, 05:59 PM
When I bet on a horse and there is a subsequent scratching I suffer a deduction to my price.
I assume NSWTAB is using the same scale to increase the price for punters when a horse that was scratched according to their market is subsequently unscratched? :shrug:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jan-20, 08:25 PM

Still happening. Impossible to do the form for Doomben tomorrow
Wily, we are working on this one and will have an improved solution up in the near future once some third parties have made some changes. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jan-22, 02:46 PM
Place multi now available on beta.tab.com.au. Cheers, P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-22, 05:25 PM
Wily, we are working on this one and will have an improved solution up in the near future once some third parties have made some changes. Cheers, Philby


Thanks mate. Im positive it must help your turnover
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-23, 05:45 PM
Wily, we are working on this one and will have an improved solution up in the near future once some third parties have made some changes. Cheers, Philby


They're part way there mate. Still showing as scratched but at least you can access the form if you click on it. Mind you, why would you if it says scratched
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Steve M on 2015-Jan-23, 07:29 PM
May I ask is there any official update/response on this story ?

'Sky's desire is to move the channels across to the base package, but it would require the approval of Foxtel.'


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/foxtel-sky-asked-to-waive-fee-for-extra-channels-in-bid-for-nsw-rights-20141228-12emf4.html
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jan-24, 12:18 PM
May I ask is there any official update/response on this story ?

'Sky's desire is to move the channels across to the base package, but it would require the approval of Foxtel.'


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/foxtel-sky-asked-to-waive-fee-for-extra-channels-in-bid-for-nsw-rights-20141228-12emf4.html

Thanks Steve, Sky Racing are still working through terms with Foxtel and are hopeful to have something in the near future.  Cheers, P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Jan-24, 12:24 PM
philby42,

Any chance of mini stateents and account balances updating today?

bets in NZ and MV not updating despite correct weight long posted.

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Jan-24, 12:44 PM
philby42,

Despite being active I appear to have been logged out without having been notifed and have had to refreshmy browser and log in again.

Probably part of the 'fix' I realise but is getting more common lately. The system recognising if you are are logged in or out can be a problem during these episodes ie says you are logged out yet one can place bets.... :stop:

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Steve M on 2015-Jan-24, 04:28 PM
Thanks Steve, Sky Racing are still working through terms with Foxtel and are hopeful to have something in the near future.  Cheers, P2

Thanks philby   emthup
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2015-Jan-25, 05:47 PM
Wow! Talk about some peeved customers. This didn't bother me but certainly got under the goat of a number of regulars.

Called into my local TAB to watch a couple of races this arvo and was bemused to observe how straight after announcing the runners across the line and before anything other than win and place divvies were displayed the coverage on the screen cut to an ad for Hitachi or the Aussie Stubby belt.

Not sure if this was also screened at home but punters were infuriated at my local - it also was very slow for Tatts to put any dividends  up on their screens sometimes up to 2 mins after the race, some guys were doing their block! If this is also the case for home viewers it will be interesting to see if it complies with the ad restrictions for pay tv or if it was just a one off on a Sunday.......

Anyone else observe anything similar / different today?

And yes I realize Tatts are responsible for the divvies etc locally but i was mainly referring to the coverage from Sky
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Rodent on 2015-Jan-26, 08:00 PM
Hi Philby, I noted that there are no replays of today's Narrogin races on Foxtel tonight. As disappointing as that is, it is even worse that race 4 which I wanted to see is missing from the online replays. There are earlier Narrogin races and later races but no race 4  :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Jan-26, 09:30 PM
Both sky1 and sky2 were basically non stop racing today, barely 10 seconds between a race somewhere in motion be it dogs trots or horses, i saw numerous times both sky1 and sky 2 showing split screens with all 4 venues either moving into the barriers or standing behind them, with punters trying to work out who's gunna jump first as lots of venues ran quite late, in particular Sunshine Coast. How rediculous is the TAB programming, 10 aussie gallops on today plus one in NZ Te Teko, three in NSW, two in WA, two in Vict, and one each in Adelaide, Darwin and QLD. All washed down with no less than FIVE harness meetings to overlap them, every race at Goulburn trots clashed with gallops on the other channel, as did numerous Stawell trots and Port Pirie  :mad: So 16 meetings and i'm not counting any dogs that were also on, and yet tomorrow, there is ONE GALLOP MEETING on (STONY CREEK) with the early abandonment of Port Macquarie, one extreme to the other in 24 hours. And when there's a spare 30 seconds air time on Sky, up pops smokin hot baby doll Jaimee Rogers flashing those pearly whites   :biggrin:      But i guess that's much better than seeing Glen Munsie's head  :yes:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2015-Jan-26, 10:44 PM
 :shrug:

i don't know why i bother , but anyway  :rolleyes:

today was a public holiday .

i typed that really slowly     :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jan-27, 05:06 PM
The new website, BEtaTAB has no listing for Ippy tomorrow

The old site does :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Jan-29, 12:05 PM
next race to jump backlogged one hour nsw and vict websites on diff browers....PLEASE FIX IT NOW TABCORP  :mad:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Jan-29, 12:41 PM
almost 40 minutes gone by, no change to website status, i'm apparently the only punter in Australia that this affects, the rest are either oblivious or dont care  :shrug:

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Jan-29, 12:44 PM
...and if you click on one of those races in the "table" below you do not get the results - shows the race as if it hasn't run yet  :(


(http://s15.postimg.org/3lh2xrhhj/tab_error.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3lh2xrhhj/)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Jan-29, 12:45 PM
Hmmm,

Hastings R5 last divdend update 55 minutes a go....

Where are the race callers getting their updated divs from?

Fours


Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Jan-29, 12:59 PM
Caller at Warragul just said there is a problem with dividends......
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: toltrice on 2015-Jan-29, 01:02 PM
rest assured vo you are not the only one this affects but it does my head in to complain about something that has been going on for so long
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Jan-29, 01:40 PM
hmmm,

Things are getting worse rather than better - time to give up and go fishing?

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Jan-29, 02:32 PM
no need to do that fours, we are the fish, and the TAB are today using very fresh red herrings on our screens as sucker bait       :fishing:    :lol:   
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2015-Feb-02, 04:46 PM
Tabcorp actually pays someone to conjure up this garbage.

No wonder we are voting for that outfit with our feet.


(http://pedestriantv-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images%2Farticle%2F2015%2F01%2F31%2F10957967_10152978303365236_235869606_n.jpg)

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/sport/tab-back-pedals-after-tasteless-pre-asian-cup-fina/15e418ce-0a7b-4774-b24d-2e7ef4f535bf.htm
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: D-G on 2015-Feb-02, 08:22 PM
Tabcorp actually pays someone to conjure up this garbage.
No wonder we are voting for that outfit with our feet.


May I ask, where you get your bets on, if not through TABCORP?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2015-Feb-03, 08:21 AM
May I ask, where you get your bets on, if not through TABCORP?
It is an unassailable fact that Tabcorp is losing market share, because the communal "we" has voted.

How you or anyone else here feel they are entitled to demand specific personal information about my betting activities, remains a mystery to me.

But it's also a fact that Tabcorp is losing market share of the rarefied segment in which I operate.

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Feb-03, 09:20 AM
It is an unassailable fact that Tabcorp is losing market share, because the communal "we" has voted.

How you or anyone else here feel they are entitled to demand specific personal information about my betting activities, remains a mystery to me.

But it's also a fact that Tabcorp is losing market share of the rarefied segment in which I operate.


You have volunteered this information on other threads - remember the finish to the EPL last year?

I'm sure D-G was pointing out in a roundabout way that TABCorp accept bets from anyone, and that you are a successful punter with corporates then you have your account closed.

To paraphrase Nixon, and if TABCorp were to go out of business, "what are you gunna do now that you don't have TABCorp to kick around any more"   :biggrin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Feb-03, 09:22 AM
On a more positive note, I had a bet on TAB Fixed on the Victoria Cup last Saturday night and received a bonus bet when my horse ran third.

I only knew about this because I noticed it via the banner ad.

Does tab.com.au offer this type of promotion often?

If so, is there a page where I can check up on any offers?

Thanks.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Feb-03, 09:55 AM
Hello PP7,

In answer to your query: "Does tab.com.au offer this type of promotion often?".   These sorts of promotions are a pretty regular feature of the tab.com.au offering these days.

If so, is there a page where I can check up on any offers?

Yes, if you go to the home page at beta.tab.com.au you should find a panel titled 'Promotions' to help you out.  I have attached a screenshot to help you out. (http://)

Cheers,

Philby

On a more positive note, I had a bet on TAB Fixed on the Victoria Cup last Saturday night and received a bonus bet when my horse ran third.

I only knew about this because I noticed it via the banner ad.

Does tab.com.au offer this type of promotion often?

If so, is there a page where I can check up on any offers?

Thanks.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2015-Feb-03, 10:01 AM
You have volunteered this information on other threads - remember the finish to the EPL last year?

I'm sure D-G was pointing out in a roundabout way that TABCorp accept bets from anyone, and that you are a successful punter with corporates then you have your account closed.

To paraphrase Nixon, and if TABCorp were to go out of business, "what are you gunna do now that you don't have TABCorp to kick around any more"    :biggrin:  
One thing I distinctly remember is you once claiming to have put me on ignore.

I vaguely remember the EPL where there seemed to be some massive anomalies with Chelsea in the Betfair Exotics, but fail to see how that's pertinent.

But if you insist that I did already volunteer something, why should I again be challenged on it?

Leaving aside the inappropriate paraphrase of Nixon's dignified quote, one more thing I cannot forget is answering your question about alternatives to Tabcorp.

Which include:

Betfair
Middlemen
Unlicensed local and overseas outfits

My bet is inevitably sometime down the track a new Norfolk Island(?) Tote will emerge. The problems of the earlier attempts are easily fixed.


Has the youtube icon vanished, or have I merely suffered another tap on shoulder from Dr Dementia?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RMSb-tS_OM
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Feb-03, 01:34 PM
One thing I distinctly remember is you once claiming to have put me on ignore.

I vaguely remember the EPL where there seemed to be some massive anomalies with Chelsea in the Betfair Exotics, but fail to see how that's pertinent.

But if you insist that I did already volunteer something, why should I again be challenged on it?

Leaving aside the inappropriate paraphrase of Nixon's dignified quote, one more thing I cannot forget is answering your question about alternatives to Tabcorp.

Which include:

Betfair
Middlemen
Unlicensed local and overseas outfits

My bet is inevitably sometime down the track a new Norfolk Island(?) Tote will emerge. The problems of the earlier attempts are easily fixed.


Has the youtube icon vanished, or have I merely suffered another tap on shoulder from Dr Dementia?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RMSb-tS_OM


Apologies for misquoting Nixon but I didn't cheat and look it up on Youtube  ;)

But one thing. If tab disappears because of poor business, how are the corporates going to determine dividends? There will be no tote price offering.

The corproates may actually have to put their bookmakers to work and make a book on a race - remember that thing - bookmaking? What can we expect on early markets - 210%  :chin:

Your schadenfreude may come to bite you.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2015-Feb-03, 02:30 PM
Apologies for misquoting Nixon but I didn't cheat and look it up on Youtube  ;)

But one thing. If tab disappears because of poor business, how are the corporates going to determine dividends? There will be no tote price offering.

The corproates may actually have to put their bookmakers to work and make a book on a race - remember that thing - bookmaking? What can we expect on early markets - 210%  :chin:

Your schadenfreude may come to bite you.
It's a question of getting the debate back on the rails, rather than diversions about misquoting.

And for the record, when I look back on Nixon and that era, I struggle to see what peccadillo separates him from JFK, LBJ and whoever the morons were that allowed J Edgar Hoover to make mob crime a growth industry.

As to the Corporates, I see little evidence that their guys are more on the ball than the Tabcorp ones.

But the bottom line is 99% of Punters can expect to contend with a 6% Corporate Rake versus 20% from Tabcorp.

And contrary to V'landys' deranged edicts, more than enough realise which way to vote.


Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Feb-03, 02:34 PM
But the bottom line is 99% of Punters can expect to contend with a 6% Corporate Rake versus 20% from Tabcorp.

EDIT: Misread the post.

20% takeout is poor.

6% corporates?? Maybe close to post time but some of those early markets.......
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Feb-03, 02:39 PM
Hello PP7,

In answer to your query: "Does tab.com.au offer this type of promotion often?".   These sorts of promotions are a pretty regular feature of the tab.com.au offering these days.

If so, is there a page where I can check up on any offers?

Yes, if you go to the home page at beta.tab.com.au you should find a panel titled 'Promotions' to help you out.  I have attached a screenshot to help you out. (http://)

Cheers,

Philby


Thanks mate.   emthup
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2015-Feb-03, 02:50 PM
EDIT: Misread the post.

20% takeout is poor.

6% corporates?? Maybe close to post time but some of those early markets.......
That 6% is kinda' what Corporates officially disclose.

As Gross Margin, Gross Revenue whatever. An overall figure.

Punters lose 6%, but Corporate make nowhere near that after all the fees.

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-04, 07:33 PM
race 5 bengido trots tonite, is listed on both tabcorp websites as MS...indicating a MOBILE START. I'm here to tell you that's crap, it's a standing start as there are horses on handicaps. Whoever made that blue should be instantly dismissed, it may cost punters a lot being under the illusion it's a mobile, only to see their horses tail off at the start    emthdown emthdown emthdown

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing/betting/standard/BENDIGO/Harness/5/04-Feb-2015

IT MATTERS   :rant: :mad:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-04, 07:57 PM
i see they changed it AFTER the race to mobile, wasnt like that all day when one had to bet i can assure you
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2015-Feb-04, 08:12 PM
i see they changed it AFTER the race to mobile, wasnt like that all day when one had to bet i can assure you

sky form has it as ss  :chin:

did they change that as well ?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-04, 08:30 PM
who knows, i saw clearly when i was betting the letters MS on the betting page, same on Supertab. Very conveniently covered their tracks, they've done it before too
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: D-G on 2015-Feb-04, 08:35 PM


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Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2015-Feb-08, 07:44 PM
Good to see the "Racing Fans" at the TAB getting an entire meeting wrong. The South African meeting at Scottsville was moved to Greyville because of the rain. While every other betting agency has amended the track names and betting info, the bright sparks at the TAB could not pick this up.

Why is there no quality check re this? I mean they do employ enough "experts" or they could hire a "Racing Fan" to peruse the tab guides to make sure it correct.

1000 to 1200m races at Scottsville are straight while at Greyville, they are around the track. Big difference when you are assessing the correct barriers. A real racing fan would notice the difference. As usual the TAB treats their customers as not important enough.

Usual excuses to come from TAB re getting an entire meeting wrong.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Feb-08, 10:56 PM
I am convinced that there is not a single person in the IT area at TABCorp that reads a form guide, has a bet, or has ever been to the races.
Nor do they employ anyone with any interest in racing whatsoever to check any of their work or monitor what is happening on their website.
Doing business with them is an enormously frustrating trial.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2015-Feb-10, 09:51 AM
I am convinced that there is not a single person in the IT area at TABCorp that reads a form guide, has a bet, or has ever been to the races.
Nor do they employ anyone with any interest in racing whatsoever to check any of their work or monitor what is happening on their website.
Doing business with them is an enormously frustrating trial.

I concur. How many companies ask their customers to clean the cache to access their product? No one bar the TAB? Then it is the user fault if they bring up errors.

The TAB Website at times is a joke and you have to question the motives of people who defend it or are they non users?

If a corporate with less of a IT budget can get things right i.e. venue of a track, how hard is it for the TAB with all it's employees?

They should seriously hire racing fans in the TAB IT department. At least then errors will  chance of reducing.

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Feb-10, 02:42 PM
Good to see the "Racing Fans" at the TAB getting an entire meeting wrong. The South African meeting at Scottsville was moved to Greyville because of the rain. While every other betting agency has amended the track names and betting info, the bright sparks at the TAB could not pick this up.

Why is there no quality check re this? I mean they do employ enough "experts" or they could hire a "Racing Fan" to peruse the tab guides to make sure it correct.

1000 to 1200m races at Scottsville are straight while at Greyville, they are around the track. Big difference when you are assessing the correct barriers. A real racing fan would notice the difference. As usual the TAB treats their customers as not important enough.

Usual excuses to come from TAB re getting an entire meeting wrong.
Thanks Jeunes, this is something we can improve and like other suggestions raised here I will see what can be done. Appreciate you taking the time to note this issue. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2015-Feb-10, 05:59 PM
Thanks Jeunes, this is something we can improve and like other suggestions raised here I will see what can be done. Appreciate you taking the time to note this issue. Cheers, Philby

The TAB is still showing the meeting as Scottsville 2 days after the event.

But thank you for the time in acknowledging the issue. Unfortunately if it is a suggestion to correct a glaring and obvious error then I happy to oblige.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-11, 11:45 AM
Hey Philby, remember i asked you this question over a year ago on numerous occasions, you may have forgotten about it so here's another reminder...maybe i'm the only punter in Australia that this irks, but somehow i doubt it...just watch the sky screen next time there's a close photo finish and watch the slo-motion replay, then get back to me if you think that is acceptable

I have asked this question several times over a year or more, why is it that whenever there is a photo finish on SKY, a gigantic red rectangular box with the words PHOTO appears, taking up a huge portion on the screen, completely obliterating the slow-mo replay, all you can see is the box, not even the horses heads fighting out the finish. I shall keep posting this until i get a satisfactory response  :rant: >:( :mad:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Feb-11, 11:47 AM
Thanks Vo, I will keep an eye out. If you see a specific example, grateful if you could note it here. Thanks, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Feb-11, 12:58 PM
Don't know if you deal with Sky philby, but there is a problem when they run a Melbourne race on the internet channels.

Someone puts up the "We cannot broadcast this race...." sign.

But they are forgetting to take it down.

We missed the first at Sydney today because of this (at least I did).

Cheers,

PP
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Skybeau on 2015-Feb-12, 06:13 PM
Have to laugh at SuperTAB fixed odds on race 1 at Sandown tonight.

The 8 was closed at $26 for the win after being as high as $31.  The funny part is it stayed at $1.95 the place!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Feb-12, 11:38 PM
Don't know if you deal with Sky philby, but there is a problem when they run a Melbourne race on the internet channels.

Someone puts up the "We cannot broadcast this race...." sign.

But they are forgetting to take it down.

We missed the first at Sydney today because of this (at least I did).

Cheers,

PP
One day last week we missed 80% of the Qld races because some dipstick kept putting up the no can do because of contractual obligations crap.
The fact that it did not apply to any Qld races did not occur to anyone there and it went on all day.
To be fair though, they did pull it down and show us the run on for one race just after they passed the post.
Fair dinkum!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Feb-14, 01:41 AM
TAB has an interesting promotion on Group 1 races in Victoria this season. Starts tomorrow in the Orr.

Have a Trifecta on any Victorian Group 1 Race in February, with your TAB Account or TAB Rewards card, and if your bet loses but two out of three placings are correct, we will replace your bet with a Bonus Bet or equivalent TAB rewards points, up to $50.*

Now my question is this.

If I box a trifecta for $6 and get 2 out of 3, do I get the whole $6 back or is the bet broken down into its' individual components i.e. I would only get $1 back?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-14, 10:56 PM
Thanks Vo, I will keep an eye out. If you see a specific example, grateful if you could note it here. Thanks, Philby

Ok Philby, here are just 4 examples today, i saw AT LEAST another 25 where sky had the big red box saying PHOTO obscuring the replay, this has been going on for many many years, i reckon quite a few TAB agency TV monitors would get smashed by angry punters not able to see the slow-mo replay. I have put the times here that the actual replays were shown on sky to assist you to see what occured re vision blocked by red boxes.

3.56pm Caulfield race 5 the Carlyon Cup won by an inch by SMOKIN JOEY, horses heads totally obscured when sky showed the replay  :rant: :mad:

6.35pm Melton trots race 2 won by Ideal Majority along the sprint lane in a close finish, same story again  :rant: :mad: >:(

9.20pm Menangle trots race 7 won by Ultimate Art in the last couple of strides thru the middle of 3 runners, replay vision obscured by big red box  :mad: :rant:


10.39pm Melton trots race 9 won in the last stride by Desert Spur beating the favourite, many punters would wanna see that replay in slow mo, but no, vision obscured by the red box as it has been doing for years. The only positive tonite was the presence of Mark Duclos hosting SKY, he is a real pro and knows the importance of punters wanting to hear and see the start of trot races in particular and crosses immediately instead of raving on like Gareth Hall, Adam Hamilton, Jason Witham and the guy on racing radio tonite Kevin (big bad) Wolff, they have no place hosting racing, all they like is the sound of their own voices  emthdown

p.s. i have even written to sky on a couple of occasions in the past, never even got the courtesy of a reply. If this continues, it's time to contact real racing jouno's, not the daily telegraph, who are merely TAB puppets  :nowink:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2015-Feb-14, 11:17 PM
TAB has an interesting promotion on Group 1 races in Victoria this season. Starts tomorrow in the Orr.

Have a Trifecta on any Victorian Group 1 Race in February, with your TAB Account or TAB Rewards card, and if your bet loses but two out of three placings are correct, we will replace your bet with a Bonus Bet or equivalent TAB rewards points, up to $50.*

Now my question is this.

If I box a trifecta for $6 and get 2 out of 3, do I get the whole $6 back or is the bet broken down into its' individual components i.e. I would only get $1 back?

Whole Bet PP7. They had the same promotion on one of the days of the spring carnival in melbourne. I got the whole lot back then.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Feb-14, 11:53 PM
Don't know if you deal with Sky philby, but there is a problem when they run a Melbourne race on the internet channels.

Someone puts up the "We cannot broadcast this race...." sign.

But they are forgetting to take it down.

We missed the first at Sydney today because of this (at least I did).

Cheers,

PP

Thanks mate, have passed on your feedback and I am waiting to hear something back. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Feb-15, 01:12 AM
Whole Bet PP7. They had the same promotion on one of the days of the spring carnival in melbourne. I got the whole lot back then.

That is interesting arakaan.

What about this one I was thinking of taking today (but didn't).

Mourinho - Field - Field for $50.

That would qualify for a $50 refund?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Feb-15, 01:18 AM
Thanks mate, have passed on your feedback and I am waiting to hear something back. Cheers, Philby

Thanks philby.

I was away from a television today and I tried to watch the races on my phone - normally works really well.

But that sign came up and stayed up - 'We regret.....' which I thought should only be for Melbourne. Was on all day. I could hear audio though.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-15, 03:54 PM
Hi Philby, why are WILLIAMS TROTS (WA) wherever the hell that is, polluting the tabcorp websites "next to jump" they are not on sky, and no eachway betting on, apparently just fixed odds. Once the race at William time has passed the start time, it STAYS UP THERE FOREVER, unless one logs out  :rant: emthdown who's the genius that decided it was a good idea to cover Williams trots via fixed odds and pollute the next race to jump ??? Can someone please witness this, i think Philby sometimes thinks i make things up happening on the TAB website...i am so ropeable, on such a busy day  :rant: :mad: >:( >:(

I see they have now been removed from todays racing after i complained, and so they should be removed, as should the person that decided to cover the meeting fixed odds   :mad: :rant:

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2015-Feb-15, 04:09 PM
As an expatriate from the State of Excitement I take great umbrage at this slight about a joint I'd never previously heard of.

It has a population of 338!

Slightly less than Vo's strata block.


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Williams_001.jpg/1280px-Williams_001.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams,_Western_Australia
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-15, 05:33 PM
race 2 Alice Springs today was a close finish, the commentator had no idea which horse won, sky showed the replay which was totally obscured by the big red box at exactly 5.17pm, this is getting beyond a joke  :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arthur on 2015-Feb-15, 05:35 PM
why are WILLIAMS TROTS (WA) wherever the hell that is, polluting the tabcorp websites "


They are probably trying to wipe out the only poor little bookie who lives there  :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Feb-15, 05:46 PM
Thanks Vo, let me see what can be done. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: toltrice on 2015-Feb-15, 06:02 PM
once again the parlay option has disappeared for sha tin
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Feb-16, 04:41 PM
Just logged on to watch the sunny coast replays from yesterday. Saw races 7 & 8 and now it's telling me I need to log in again to watch the other races.
3 times I've logged out and in and still get the same bloody mesage

Why is it so :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jims Punting on 2015-Feb-16, 05:52 PM
What a great innovation the new TAB site is.

A coupla months back I submitted a shopping list of what I hoped to see if they ever redesign the site.
Fed up with the old format - everything crammed onto one page, and in a reading font of about 5 or 6.
Stopped betting with them.

Further, the background colours were not conducive to clear visibility of information. ie the contrast was crap.

All that is history, if the new beta version is an indication.

Now there are more pages for the essential information.
The font is larger.
The contrast is better.
The site is easy to navigate.

Submitted feedback to say as much, but will give it a fly tomorrow to check out how it handles a bit of speed on the corners :)

Worth checking out: https://beta.tab.com.au/

Take a bow TAB.

Will be interesting to see how Tatts improve their site.
Already happy with their current layout , so hopefully they don't totally stuff it.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jims Punting on 2015-Feb-16, 06:37 PM
Wily I had no issues with it.
Able to play through the card, except I think R3 and R4 where "No Video" available.

Hope we get Syd/Melb replays soon - where do TAB clients get these?

Will that be when "contractual obligations" end  :whistle:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-16, 11:07 PM
urgent alert, both TABCORP websites are down, cant even log into victoria, wheel of death spinning furiously  >:( :mad:

phone tab is also closed for the evening. Sport and rec will be getting a call from me first thing tomorrow  emthdown

API-0000 error message

systems have crashed since about midnite, races are still happening o'seas and Mandurah dogs
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-16, 11:16 PM
NSW seems to be working again, successfully placed bets in South Africa, supertab is down still with wheel spinning  :mad:

both working now as at 12.20am
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jims Punting on 2015-Feb-16, 11:20 PM
Vo - I just did a test login - got straight in to VICTAB ... will try NSW now ...

hmmm ... tells me my PW is invalid.

Will be ringing them in the morning also  :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jims Punting on 2015-Feb-16, 11:23 PM
API-3018

"This Account has been locked"

Prolly because I didn't use it   :biggrin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-16, 11:27 PM
yep definately was a big problem there for a good 15 minutes or more, i was locked out of victoria, and NSW was also playing up. All i got was the wheel of death  :wacko:

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Feb-19, 12:58 AM
Vo must be asleep,

No dividends on anything for 66 minutes and counting..... I wont have another bt until I see my dividend declared...

This does cost the TAB money - dont know why it does not get fixed or is someone simply absent?

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-19, 01:16 AM
definately not asleep fours, but will be soon  :sleep: :sleep: I have just been watching the four corners replay of the greyhound live baiting, and haven't been betting in the time frame you just mentioned, it was working when i had my last bet a couple of hours ago, typical eh, no bastard there to fix it, but they'll happily take punters money. QLD tab have operators taking calls 24/7 at least someone there to complain to  :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2015-Feb-24, 11:24 AM
I strolled down to a local TAB the other day and with a few spare minutes I went over to the touch screen and checked out  a few regulations and conditions under which punters place bets. To my dismay, I noted that the deduction rate for all doubles was clearly displayed as 17%. From my failing memory I believe in December 2012 that rate was increased to 20% to align the rate with the WA TAB so that double pools could be co-mingled. At that time the spin doctors at Tabcorp justified the increase in the rake that with larger pools, with the additional WA investments, dividends would be more stable and punters would be no worse off.  :lol:   :lol:
Could this obvious error be considered as false advertising as I am sure some naive punters may think the deduction rate is 17 % and not 20% ?
BTW the WA running double investments on say, Warrnambool today , are bugger all, yet punters lose an extra 3% for so called a bigger pool. :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Feb-24, 01:37 PM
I strolled down to a local TAB the other day and with a few spare minutes I went over to the touch screen and checked out  a few regulations and conditions under which punters place bets. To my dismay, I noted that the deduction rate for all doubles was clearly displayed as 17%. From my failing memory I believe in December 2012 that rate was increased to 20% to align the rate with the WA TAB so that double pools could be co-mingled. At that time the spin doctors at Tabcorp justified the increase in the rake that with larger pools, with the additional WA investments, dividends would be more stable and punters would be no worse off.   :lol:     :lol:  
Could this obvious error be considered as false advertising as I am sure some naive punters may think the deduction rate is 17 % and not 20% ?
BTW the WA running double investments on say, Warrnambool today , are bugger all, yet punters lose an extra 3% for so called a bigger pool. :rant:
Thanks for your feedback Bubba.  We will be fixing the display issue shortly.  Regards, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Feb-25, 02:51 PM
After a few months of relatively good service from Sky Media Centre it has gone back to its old habits.

I have not been able to watch a race all the way through for a few weeks now.
Sky Media Centre will let you watch the first 30 seconds or so of a race.
It will then drop you out and take you to www.skyracing.com.au from where you have Buckley's of finding your way back to the media centre.
So you back out of that, go back to the NSW TAB website and log back into Sky Media Centre by which time if you are very lucky you will see the run on after they have passed the post.
Sky Media Centre has been a major and persistent problem for a couple of years now.
Is no-one supposed to be fixing it?
Using these services is a constant frustration, the damage it has done to Tabcorps business must be enormous.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-25, 05:43 PM
and what about the BIG RED BOX displaying photo across the screen when showing the replay blocking vision completely, i assume it's the same crap on sky media, why is this being ignored ??? Why haven't i had an answer to this for OVER A YEAR NOW ?????
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Feb-25, 06:50 PM
Thanks Vo, I am working with the team at Sky on this one, and will keep you posted. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Feb-25, 06:56 PM
After a few months of relatively good service from Sky Media Centre it has gone back to its old habits.

I have not been able to watch a race all the way through for a few weeks now.
Sky Media Centre will let you watch the first 30 seconds or so of a race.
It will then drop you out and take you to www.skyracing.com.au from where you have Buckley's of finding your way back to the media centre.
So you back out of that, go back to the NSW TAB website and log back into Sky Media Centre by which time if you are very lucky you will see the run on after they have passed the post.
Sky Media Centre has been a major and persistent problem for a couple of years now.
Is no-one supposed to be fixing it?
Using these services is a constant frustration, the damage it has done to Tabcorps business must be enormous.
Lert, have referred the matter to relevant team.  Will be back in touch shortly. Regards, P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Feb-25, 08:47 PM
Lert, have referred the matter to relevant team.  Will be back in touch shortly. Regards, P2
Thanks mate.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Feb-26, 02:25 AM
I can report exactly the same problem as Lert.

I feel as though the connection drops and it sends us back to the menu. Just before it drops out typically there is like a frozen pane or something.

Watching Sky via the Android app works fine and I find myself using this most of the time now.

Works fine when the person who is responsible for flicking off that aweful message when the Melbourne races are on is on the job. Sometimes they forget  :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Feb-26, 01:13 PM
and what about the BIG RED BOX displaying photo across the screen when showing the replay blocking vision completely, i assume it's the same crap on sky media, why is this being ignored ??? Why haven't i had an answer to this for OVER A YEAR NOW ?????
Vo, again for your feedback.  The team at Sky have put in place corrective actions designed to avoid a repeat of this issue. Regards, Phil
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-27, 03:29 PM
Well Philby, i'm here to report more of the same, play the sky1 tape, at 4.26pm albion park trots 2 horses hit the line together, up popped the big red box blocking my view of the replay for over 20 seconds....NOT GOOD ENOUGH  :rant: :mad: >:(

been happening for many years, and despite my efforts to have the problem fixed, the tradition continues  emthdown
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-27, 05:28 PM
Melton trots race 1 at 6.23pm, a nose photo finish, with the slo-mo replay totally obscured by the BIG RED BOX  :mad: :rant:

WHY ?????????
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2015-Feb-27, 07:41 PM
Melton trots race 1 at 6.23pm, a nose photo finish, with the slo-mo replay totally obscured by the BIG RED BOX  :mad: :rant:

WHY ?????????

are you an old bookie that bets on photo finishes  ?

if not ya have the answer , not many people care     :bulb:

other wise they would fix it
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-27, 10:47 PM
So you're the self-appointed forum TAB apologist eh ? I'll bite back, say you had a horse in tomorrow, and it was involved in a nose photo finish and you were unsure if it had won or run 2nd, you're telling me you dont care if you cant see the replay because of the big red box, and other punters are mostly the same ? The TAB have conditioned punters to tolerate this with the barrage of races run on top of each other, sometimes 3 at a time  :yes: All the races i have highlighted to Philby, i have had a financial interest in, and i'm someone that EXPECTS to see a slo-mo replay of a close photo without my vision being obscured by big red boxes  :rant: That's part of the sky vision is it not ? Maybe Philby should employ you at Tabcorp, you seem a really good fit for this outfit, and you can tell them all daily how good they all are and what a splendid job they're doing, they'd lap that up     :lol:    Sky are full of brown nosers, very few good presenters there, with the noteable exceptions being Mark Duclos and Gavin Carmody     emthup   
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Rodent on 2015-Feb-28, 08:32 PM
Replay of Ascot race 5 won't show on SKY media centre. The other races at Ascot are ok. Also Ascot is missing from the overnight replays on Foxtel  :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Feb-28, 10:53 PM
Who was responsible for scheduling WARWICK in Qld and WARWICK FARM three minutes apart all day, and also tonite albURy and albANy trots tonite a mere 5 minutes apart, is this an attempt by tabcorp to get extra turnover thru punter error ??

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing/racingschedule/28-Feb-2015?v=24
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Mar-01, 07:26 AM
Am I correct in saying the videos are not available on the betatab web site in the new form format?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2015-Mar-01, 09:58 AM
Try and have a look at replays from Cairns last Sun om the media centre. No audio for race 1 and race 2 loses signal then has a blank screen for most of the 9.01 minutes it runs for . Are these even checked before going up? Might be a bit of a giveaway that something is amiss if its 9 mins long on tape yeah?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Mar-01, 10:14 AM
Oh and one other thing, yesterday...WARWICK (the Qld version) race 2 was not broadcast on either sky racing radio or shown on either of the 2 sky channels, due to a triple clash. The turnover was over 50k on NSWTAB alone

https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing/race-results-details/WARWICK/Races/2/28-Feb-2015
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2015-Mar-01, 10:25 AM
Vo they played the audio live at the TAB I was in in Brisbane at least just before another race jumped
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: monologue on 2015-Mar-01, 10:29 AM
I was watching from home and only have TVN and the ordinary sky channel and yes there was a clash at about the same time race 2 at Warwick was to start.

Added interest was the winner is owned by a forumite and it would have been nice to catch the action.
Hopefully there will be a replay on the QR site at some stage.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Mar-01, 10:36 AM
Accounts operations unavailable'' :mad:

Log out, log in, same message. Cant place bets
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Mar-01, 10:37 AM
ok well in Brisbane they may have prioritised Warwick being a "home game" but here in Sydney no such luck, the fools that schedule these clashes at SKY just keep doing it over and over again. Late last nite in the UK...3 meetings jumped at the same time     :lol:   

today, nearly every race at Menangle trots, the interdominion meeting, directly clashes with little old MACKAY in Qld. And we'll have to put up with motor mouth Gareth Hall talking over the start of both harness and gallop meetings, that's a given  :mad: >:(


https://www.tab.com.au/#/nsw/racing/racingschedule/01-Mar-2015
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2015-Mar-01, 12:45 PM
Vo, I am sure you can blame Sky for clashes in the UK
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Mar-01, 12:56 PM
TAB/SKY CHOOSE to give coverage to triple clashes, but cant provide the viewing of same. Why is it necessary to cover the 3 races knowing full well only one, MAYBE 2 will be telecast and or broadcast. Please tell me you're also not a TAB apologist like Ratsack  :x:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2015-Mar-01, 12:57 PM
My argument is we have a channel named Sky World, why do we show Uk and other country races on Sky Racing One instead of local Australian races and / or replays??

For instance tonight yet again they do not show Sunshine Coast replays at all on Sly One as they have coverage of every other race meeting in the world on this channel and only three replays of Bathurst Sale and one other before they launch into the ridiculously long breakfast tv show - surely there is room somewhere for Sunny Coast replays?

Title:
Post by: MagiC~* on 2015-Mar-01, 01:06 PM
Got a letter from foxtel stating, I would no longer have to pay for sky world but would have to pay $5 for sky 2.
Quick question, what meetings would I miss if I got rid of sky 2.
Would meetings like gold coast sunny coast be sky 1 ?
Also do I still need sports package to get sky 1 and sky world ?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2015-Mar-01, 01:11 PM
Magic, Gold Coast yes Sky 1 Sunny Coast live 1 replay Sky 2 i understand and yes they're part of the sports package but read your letter or call them for confirmation
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Steve M on 2015-Mar-01, 01:21 PM
'From 28th Feb Sky Racing World will move from the Sky Racing + Pack to the Entertainment/Essentials Pack. Sky Racing + will still be available as a buy though from the Sports Pack, bringing you Sky Racing 2. If you're currently a Sky Racing + subscriber, look out for a letter from us soon with more details. We also wanted to let you know that TVN has notified us that they will be shutting down their operations and will cease to broadcast as of 15 March 2015.'

So you only need Sports Package to get Sky Raing + (ie Sky 2).

Best Bet is to fiddle with that http://schedule.skyracing.com.au/
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2015-Mar-02, 06:54 AM
Why would you charge for Sky 2 if you want people betting on the races? Sky world races are also shown on 1 or 2 if a special meet. I would rather have 2 especially if I like o/s racing.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Mar-02, 02:22 PM
Replay of Ascot race 5 won't show on SKY media centre. The other races at Ascot are ok. Also Ascot is missing from the overnight replays on Foxtel  :rant:
Ascot r5 in good working order based on the test I just ran.  Will see what can be done re Foxtel.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Mar-02, 02:25 PM
My argument is we have a channel named Sky World, why do we show Uk and other country races on Sky Racing One instead of local Australian races and / or replays??

For instance tonight yet again they do not show Sunshine Coast replays at all on Sly One as they have coverage of every other race meeting in the world on this channel and only three replays of Bathurst Sale and one other before they launch into the ridiculously long breakfast tv show - surely there is room somewhere for Sunny Coast replays?


Spudda, with the increased coverage it is becoming increasingly difficult to fit in all replays.  Everyone has their favourites but it is not possible sometimes to fit everything in. I would encourage you to subscribe to Sky Media Centre so you can access all replays (not including Melbourne). Cheers, Philby
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Post by: philby42 on 2015-Mar-02, 02:33 PM
Got a letter from foxtel stating, I would no longer have to pay for sky world but would have to pay $5 for sky 2.
Quick question, what meetings would I miss if I got rid of sky 2.
Would meetings like gold coast sunny coast be sky 1 ?
Also do I still need sports package to get sky 1 and sky world ?
"what meetings would I miss if I got rid of sky 2."

P2:  http://schedule.skyracing.com.au/ will give you a flavour for what is

 Would meetings like gold coast sunny coast be sky 1 ?

P2: typically Sky1 but can be moved to Sky2 on the fly is a clash occurs on the day in the schedule due to delays etc

 Also do I still need sports package to get sky 1 and sky world ?

P2: no, moves to Entertainment/Essentials
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Mar-02, 02:39 PM
Am I correct in saying the videos are not available on the betatab web site in the new form format?

Philby old mate. Whilst you're around???

Also on beta tab by bet builder will allow me a fixed odds all up but for the life of me I can't find the options for a system 4 or 3 etc.


Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Mar-02, 02:56 PM
Philby old mate. Whilst you're around???

Also on beta tab by bet builder will allow me a fixed odds all up but for the life of me I can't find the options for a system 4 or 3 etc.



Wily, me old 'China', have made some inquiries internally on your behalf. Cheers, Phil
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Mar-02, 03:09 PM
Ta, cobber
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Mar-02, 03:26 PM
Philby old mate. Whilst you're around???

Also on beta tab by bet builder will allow me a fixed odds all up but for the life of me I can't find the options for a system 4 or 3 etc.



Wily, super multi will be added in the next few months.  For now stick to the classic tab.com.au to place your supers.  Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: toltrice on 2015-Mar-04, 08:28 AM
so how do I still use classic tab?. I keep getting directed to the new one
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Mar-04, 08:33 AM
www1.tab.com.au
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: toltrice on 2015-Mar-04, 08:36 AM
thank you - perhaps that could be explained in the FAQs
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Mar-04, 12:03 PM
Hi Philby, this is becoming a regular occurrence, at 12.56pm for your replay purposes on SKY1, NZ trots at manawatu jumped, the odds for the race remained on the screen at LEAST 30 seconds after the start...blocking punters view of the leading horses...what is the point of leaving the odds up there after race start...when one cant get a bet on anymore ?? It annoys the hell out of me, also prior to the start of all trot races, they show the screen of the horses half size, to make room for the odds, that is also rediculous, watch the outcry if they do that on a Saturday for the gallops  :rant: Just play back the tape to see what happened in race 1, and PLEASE try to do something to rectify this situation, i'd really appreciate that Philby  :x: :x:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Mar-04, 08:10 PM
Thanks Vo - have passed your feedback on!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2015-Mar-04, 08:42 PM


Is Philby still working for the Russians"?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2015-Mar-04, 08:44 PM

Is Philby still working for the Russians"?

.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Mar-04, 08:49 PM

Is Philby still working for the Russians"?

The Philby you are referring to died in 1988 so I doubt it very much.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2015-Mar-04, 08:53 PM


It seemed a relevant question.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Mar-10, 11:23 AM
Hi Philby, i made a withdrawal from my NSW TAB a/c via EFT bank transfer yesterday morning, and i always get the funds next day without fail provided i make the cutoff which is somewhere between 12 noon and 1pm. Anyway, the funds never arrived, i am aware that it was a public holiday in Victoria and SA, but why should that impact NSW customers when there was no holiday here ? And also...the money immediately disappeared from my NSW a/c once i hit the confirm button for the withdrawal, WHO GETS THE EXTA DAYS INTEREST on these funds, and i assume there would be thousands of other customers in the same boat. It sure as hell isn't me  :no: That overnite money market must be a nice little earner for SOMEONE, who is that someone ?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: VoRogue on 2015-Mar-10, 11:35 AM
And you might ask, why would i do an EFT when i can simply go to my local TAB and make a cash withdrawal, good question, and i have a good answer. My local TAB is 200 metres from my place, but as i start betting early, i (used to) get my wife to make my withdrawals at the agency. About two years ago, despite having my signed written authority to make withdrawals on my behalf, which was no problem for almost 18 years, the BITCH that runs the agency told her she can no longer do it, the account holder must withdraw in person  :wtf: That's customer service TABCORP style, they want my turnover though, wouldn't it be in their interest to not disrupt my betting and allow an authorised person to withdraw on my behalf if they have ID and signed consent etc ?? What's with this mob now, $10 minimum phone bets, cancellation of priority accounts that no longer have high turnover, even though they had big turnover in years gone by for a very long period. The  :censored: joint needs a gigantic broom through it    :yes:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Mar-11, 11:39 AM
Original quote removed by mod Steve M.


Vo, the 'lady' at your local TAB is applying TAB Policy.  I really appreciate your feedback most of the time and the majority of it does get passed on, but I will not pass on feedback that contains such derogatory language. Regards, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Steve M on 2015-Mar-11, 07:26 PM
Vo Rogue your last post have been removed. Derogatory language wont be tolerated.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2015-Mar-11, 07:46 PM
Why would you charge for Sky 2 if you want people betting on the races? Sky world races are also shown on 1 or 2 if a special meet. I would rather have 2 especially if I like o/s racing.

I've banged on about this front the start ... what rocket scientist thought charging for the 2nd rate meetings is a good idea?

Which rocket scientist thinks it's fair on punters to shove the race they are about to watch from Sky1 to Sky2 ..... It's my personal gripe  :thumbsd:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2015-Mar-13, 07:59 PM



.......again today I was frustrated in being unable to call up the old TABCORP site.

would someone please give readers a reliable link to the 'old' tab site, please?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Steve M on 2015-Mar-13, 08:05 PM
https://www1.tab.com.au/
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2015-Mar-13, 09:01 PM
Anyone having issues with the Tab app?

I keep getting a message telling me that they are unable to verify my location so I can't enter the site, it tells me to check connection.

Yes location services are on, yes the internet connection is fine   :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Mar-13, 09:11 PM
Me to. I had to do an update the other day and it's been fine since
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Mar-13, 09:35 PM
Sky Media Centre still complete crap.
Never saw a race today.
Although they have introduced an innovation for variety.
When I did get the vision up today the action froze within about half a second and, for the most part, stayed that way until it timed out well before the end of the race.
I attempted to watch every race at Ipswich today.
I did not get to see one finish, let alone see a race all the way through.
This sort of crap has been served up for so long that one can only assume that no-one there gives a rat's.

 
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2015-Mar-15, 08:47 AM
Quaddie divs have disappeared from yesterday's results (on the old site). In both the last leg race results and the meeting summary results pages.
This has happened a couple of times recently, but not consistently.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jims Punting on 2015-Mar-15, 01:19 PM
I don't look at live racing as I can not consistently use a live service due to my work/ lifestyle constraints.

So TAB apps are unreliable, and Sky Racing looks like they collect your subscription but don't deliver quality coverage.

What's left that can be used?
There's a difference between 'watching the races' and 'watching racing.'

Occasionally at home the TV offers limited coverage, but commercialisation means poor quality too
ie replays, close-ups of the finish etc are absent. Generally I am not around to bother with that anyway.

TV (Ch 7) is not for serious punters. And it sounds like the TAB isn't either.

For awhile I was using my tablet at home to watch TAB media broadcasting of live racing, but that has gone by the board now too.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Mar-15, 09:49 PM
Quaddie divs have disappeared from yesterday's results (on the old site). In both the last leg race results and the meeting summary results pages.
This has happened a couple of times recently, but not consistently.
Hello Barry, a just took a look at the Rosehill and Flemington last legs from yesterday and in both cases I could find the quaddie results. Was it some other meeting you were referring to? Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2015-Mar-16, 07:14 PM
Hello Barry, a just took a look at the Rosehill and Flemington last legs from yesterday and in both cases I could find the quaddie results. Was it some other meeting you were referring to? Cheers, Philby

It's inconsistent Phil.
On Sunday morning, no meetings had the quaddie div.
But they appeared later.

Looking right now, Sale dogs and Hobart trots from yesterday (Sunday) are missing the quad result, other meetings are fine.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Apr-06, 08:23 AM
All of the TAB form on the website is wrong.
BEWARE if you are using this today
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ledgerr77 on 2015-Apr-06, 03:15 PM
 :chin: what's happened to the divs on Sky....seems odd no divs as they cross the line
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: D-G on 2015-Apr-06, 04:38 PM
Was it a good idea of the TAB to have a comp offering a $50k bet into NSW pari-mutuel ?

Skewed the odds significantly.

I backed the winner, so I am a beneficiary, but I think the initiative needs more thought going forward  :bulb:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Steve M on 2015-Apr-12, 04:06 PM
Under Trial replays option skyracing.com.au

Warwick Farm Friday 10, April 2015 trial 17 replay is showing trial 16. Can someone fix?

Note same issue with RacingNSW site (whom I've contacted but they haven't responded in recent times to emails).
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2015-Apr-12, 10:23 PM
1st time I have bothered to open this thread.

There is a beautiful card of racing from Longchamp tonight.

What is the excuse for the TAB not covering it ?

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2015-Apr-12, 10:27 PM
 :/

nobody is interested   :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2015-Apr-12, 10:29 PM
:/

nobody is interested  :chin:

i didn't mean to call you a nobody   :rolleyes:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2015-Apr-21, 05:22 PM
As usual you can't tell what surface the SAF meetings as the brilliant people at the TAB IT or Form section don't think it is important.

This is a common error which can be eradicated if the TAB stuff actually have a wager and know the difference between the surface prior to publishing the form.

The TAB apologists true to form will ignore any reference to this and believe that the customer is irrelevant.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Apr-26, 11:41 AM
Come on, this is madness

Go to the betab to get some form. No videos available there. Go to the old site, log in, click on the video form and they tell me to LOG IN. I have :mad: Apparently I then have to go to skyracing site to get a video replay then need to go back to the bloody betab site to place the bloody bet

Can someone sort this bloody mess out :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


Whilst you are at it, can you fix up the actual form so it's correct. Especially wet track stats which are so far wrong it's not funny :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Apr-26, 05:12 PM
Here's another one.

Why are the approx divvies for pick the margins not up on line yet?

Got a live ticket and it would have been good to lay off if possible
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Rodent on 2015-Apr-26, 10:17 PM
Here's another one.

Why are the approx divvies for pick the margins not up on line yet?

Got a live ticket and it would have been good to lay off if possible
Did you get it or did your Bunnies let you down?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Apr-27, 05:23 PM
Mate, I'm filthy looking at that divvy. I take a card with a mate every week. Usually we only take a card and only the one result on the last game so we can lay off if alive.

An approx divvy should have been declared. It's a computer program, all they have to do is push a button

I also had my own card where I took every team to win 1-12 @10%. The tigers won by 13+ to ruin that as well. it paid 200K  :tears: :tears:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-May-02, 09:24 AM
Once again folks, be wary of the skyform

In fact ignore it as it's WRONG AGAIN :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-May-09, 12:28 PM
Obviously a bug there with the new site...

(http://s3.postimg.org/5d6p2uh3z/tab_bug.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5d6p2uh3z/)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-May-09, 12:36 PM
Apols PP7, but I missed your point.  Grateful if you could fill me in.  Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2015-May-09, 12:41 PM
Apols PP7, but I missed your point.  Grateful if you could fill me in.  Cheers, Philby

Simple philby it is a dead heat for 2nd. So why a NTD for one of the deadheaters.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-May-09, 12:44 PM
Apols PP7, but I missed your point.  Grateful if you could fill me in.  Cheers, Philby

Arakaan is correct mate. And it is still like that now - just checked.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-May-09, 12:45 PM
I concur.  Yes quite obvious really.  Will ask that it be rectified.  Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-May-11, 09:07 AM
Once again, the form is all wrong. Anyone doing wet form for bathurst is entitled to blow up, surely.

Philby, can you please do something about it. It's been happening for months

Bathurst race 4 today. A quick look at the wet form for "Sooner or Later" will explain it all.
I suggest every horses form in the data base is wrong
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-May-11, 08:03 PM
Thanks again Wily, we are looking at this in some detail.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-May-16, 12:58 PM
Hi Philby

The forms still wrong, hope they work on it quickly
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: whispering on 2015-May-22, 10:00 PM
On the website there is no option for System multi, yet there is on my phone on the same website???


Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-May-26, 11:04 AM
Hi Philby

The forms still wrong, hope they work on it quickly
Wily, thanks for your ongoing feedback.  Tab.com.au has been updated today.  We are still working on Skyform and expect an update in the next few weeks. Appreciate both your diligence and patience on this matter. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-May-26, 12:44 PM
On the website there is no option for System multi, yet there is on my phone on the same website???



Thanks Whispering, Super Multi on the desktop version of www.tab.com.au is coming, it available on the mobile by using the Super Multi functionality previously built for www1.tab.mobi.  In the meantime it can be placed on desktop computers using www1.tab.com.au.

Regards, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: whispering on 2015-May-26, 05:08 PM
Its actually the exact same website though, its been over a couple of months and we haven't even got results to look at from beyond the day before/

I would suggest hiring a new IT team or at least looking at how the system devolopment lifecycle should work. Very amateurish and I am speaking with my pocket, no use using the TAB website if it is broken/services not available.

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ACER on 2015-May-26, 06:28 PM
How long after an AFL game can you collect on most possessions etc? Tried to collect 3 hours after a match finished and wasn't paying. I would have thought everything would be final by then. I still don't know when official dividends came through.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-May-26, 06:39 PM
On the website there is no option for System multi, yet there is on my phone on the same website???





I took a fixed odds all up using www1.tab.com.au. and it was accepted but a place all up with the same horses wasn't :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2015-May-26, 06:41 PM
How long after an AFL game can you collect on most possessions etc? Tried to collect 3 hours after a match finished and wasn't paying. I would have thought everything would be final by then. I still don't know when official dividends came through.

It would all depend on Champion Data confirming the final counts.

They do all the AFL stats. They do live stats and then from my understanding have a "live review"going using all the camera angles to get 100% correct stats. Naturally this official count would fall behind the game a fair way on most occasions.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-May-31, 06:00 PM
Some very strange decisions as to where the TAB  allows us to bet some exotica bet types

How is the decision made as to what races get F4's and what meetings get extra quaddies?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2015-May-31, 09:09 PM
If the TAB had their own way they would have every possible bet type on every race every day and quaddies and extra quaddies on every meeting to extract the last dollar from every punter, however with such pool splitting even the bean counters at the TAB know that if pools are diluted to miniscule amounts punters will react against small dividends and bet elsewhere.

When I first began betting they had win, place, daily double and one quinella a meeting, and all pools held up to large bets, at least large bets for that time.

Today they have win, place, quinella, trifecta, First 4, quaddie, early quaddie, daily & running doubles,exactas, duets and Big6's, all of which result in pool splitting where punters must be aware if they place too big of a bet on say ,a duet, they will kill their own dividend.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Jun-06, 09:48 AM
Philby42,

The form figures for placings and wins are hoplessly wrong - some data appears to be simply missing... an example today start with Moonee Valley

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jun-06, 10:26 AM
4s, I just looked at Race 2 at the Valley and couldn't spot anything obviously wrong.  Would you mind giving me some specifics, including which form source you are looking at? Thanks, Phil
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Jun-06, 12:09 PM
Philby42

VICTAB Skyform race 3 #1 Flying Hostess with 21 career starts has te following track condition stats shown :-

Firm 0 starts
Good 0 starts
Soft 4 starts
Heavy 1 starts

add them up and thats only 5 starts shown out of 21 career starts and therefore is extremely misleading form

Fours
ps one would hope that the VICTAB could get its own main meeting right at least    :sad:
pps theres llots of examples like this - data appears to be simply missing
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2015-Jun-06, 01:08 PM
Philby42

VICTAB Skyform race 3 #1 Flying Hostess with 21 career starts has te following track condition stats shown :-

Firm 0 starts
Good 0 starts
Soft 4 starts
Heavy 1 starts

add them up and thats only 5 starts shown out of 21 career starts and therefore is extremely misleading form

Fours
ps one would hope that the VICTAB could get its own main meeting right at least    :sad:
pps theres llots of examples like this - data appears to be simply missing


Shows up fine when logged in on NSWtab skyform. 16 starts on good inculded. 
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jun-06, 01:11 PM
tab.com.au appears to ok as well

4s - I have advised the appropriate team on the issue with skyform and have asked that it be resolved
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Jun-06, 01:17 PM
Hmmmm,

Amazing that NSWTAB can have it right and VICTAB not if the form proivder is the same company...

Fours
ps thanks Philby42
ps a suggestion - one can right mathematical total error checks for this sort of thing - simply if than else statements will do the job.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2015-Jun-06, 01:30 PM
ps a suggestion - one can right mathematical total error checks for this sort of thing - simply if than else statements will do the job.
At the risk of disclosing my vintage I can recall Totes once declaring check totals on the radio to circumvent such problems.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jun-08, 10:45 AM
Got this response a while ago to a complaint. Do you reckon Jenny is real or the name given to the computer generated response :chin:

"Dear Mark,

TAB welcomes your feedback and suggestions and your comments have been forwarded to the appropriate Manager for review.

Whilst all care is taken to ensure the information is correct, Tabcorp accept no responsibility for any errors, omissions, or assumptions based on
the information provided.

Thank you for taking the time to contact us.

Regards,
Jenny
TAB Customer Service
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Jul-04, 01:08 PM
Can the TAB please remove the person who is responsible for switching between Live Vision on the internet, and that horrible sign "We Are Unable To Show Live Vision Of This Race Due To Contractual Reasons".

They are getting it horribly wrong and we are missing out on races today.  :no:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jul-04, 01:31 PM
PP7, thanks for your feedback.  I have raised it with the Sky team. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Jul-04, 01:33 PM
PP7, thanks for your feedback.  I have raised it with the Sky team. Cheers, Philby

Sorry mate. Of course it is a Sky issue and not a TAB issue.

Thanks   emthup
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Jul-04, 01:34 PM
...actually mate, I think they should get rid of the sign. Live vision of the seagulls at Bondi Beach is better than the sign.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jul-04, 01:36 PM
Don't apologise champ, your feedback is always welcome as it is typically very constructive.  Hope you find a few and get to watch them. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Jul-04, 03:19 PM
(http://s7.postimg.org/witocepmf/no_newcastle2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/witocepmf/)

The screen on the left is Sky 1 streamed into my Tablet. It is showing "the message" while the Newcastle race, immediately following Caulfield, is being shown on the Computer screen.

I'm watching Sky via UBET.

The thought occurrs to me that Tatts are getting a different Sky feed and they cannot show Newcastle. Would that be right?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jims Punting on 2015-Jul-04, 08:32 PM
The sign should be removed anyway, PP7.

If someone apologises it means they are sorry and won't do it again ...

... but they do!  

I'd rather 'we'll return in a few moments to resume normal broadcasts.'

Would be more interesting that the 'apology' explanation sign!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jul-08, 06:54 PM
Bloody hell here we go again

Wanted to take a multi on the cricket. Lo and behold I'm not allowed to have James Anderson as leading wicket taker and Steve Smith as leading run scorer in the same multi.  :mad: :mad:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jul-08, 07:19 PM
Now I can't even place a multi that pays 16k

I hear about the mythical bets that some folk cash in and here I can't take a simple all up.

Surely it is not unreasonable to have the following multi :mad: :mad: :mad:
Ashes High Bat
NRL Premiership
British Open Golf
Wimbledon winner
Origin margin
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2015-Jul-08, 07:22 PM
Now I can't even place a multi that pays 16k

16K I wish. I got knocked back on an $8 or $9 odd multi a while back, on 3 separate hockey matches.   :biggrin:

But they take 5 figure bets at will apparently.  :whistle:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2015-Jul-10, 11:52 AM
Presumably most know that NZ Exotic Rakes are vastly higher on Supertab.

But I suspect most like me are unaware that they are also higher in NSW!

That's because of a new loophole.

NSW hikes Rakes when hosting International Pools.

It consider NZ is International.

And it claims to be hosting those pools for the benefit of the Isle of Man.

Despite no money actually coming from the Isle of Man Tabcorp hikes the Rakes!

Presumably this applies to USA, Africa, England, Europe, Asia wherever.


http://tab.custhelp.com/ci/fattach/get/16104/0/filename/NSW+Totalizator+Betting+Rules+-+29+November+2013.pdf
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2015-Jul-13, 05:42 PM
Can anyone explain to me why the TAB website only has 1 years worth of results history?

Just trying to go back and look over some past results.

Does anyone know where I can get results before that? Guessing one of the major corporates will have it, will be ironic that I have to go to a corprorate to see TAB results....
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jul-16, 09:03 AM
None of the websites are working. Anyone else having trouble?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jul-16, 10:08 AM
Wily et al, services  being restored as we speak. Apologies for any inconvenience. Regards, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jul-16, 03:59 PM
Philby

I have asked this before without an answerr. How provides the form for the skyform

Today on race 7 at Pinjara. #14 Poer Packed is rated as the best horse based on the last 12 months form.

It hasn't won a race for 12 months and had 12 starts for no wins. In that period it has run 2 p[lacings and it's last 7 runs the form reads 0000000
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jul-16, 05:47 PM
Wily, just took a look at http://www.skyracing.com.au/tab/form/summary.php?meetingid=97495&raceid=872274&plusday=0 and best horse is number 8.  Were you referring to some other form, e.g. that found on tab.com.au embedded in the racing page (which unfortunately is now not available given the race has been run)? Thanks, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jul-16, 05:48 PM
Wily, all good.  Have worked it out, it was race 8 you were referring to. Will look into it. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jul-16, 06:33 PM
Sorry mate,yes race 8
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jul-17, 02:03 PM
Philby

I have asked this before without an answerr. How provides the form for the skyform

Today on race 7 at Pinjara. #14 Poer Packed is rated as the best horse based on the last 12 months form.

It hasn't won a race for 12 months and had 12 starts for no wins. In that period it has run 2 p[lacings and it's last 7 runs the form reads 0000000
Wily,
Best Form (12 months): These are the top rated horses which have produced the best weight ratings (Weight For Age adjusted) in the last 12 months. This assessment does not discriminate between past races run over varying distances, in different classes, on different courses etc.

The concept behind this rating is to identify potential longer priced winners; those horses with no apparent recent form but who do have a run somewhere in the past 12 months, that if reproduced, could win the race.

The horse referred to in your query, Power Packed, had run such a race at Pinjarra on August 14 last year when beaten only 1.25 lengths in a stronger R-64 race. If he was to reproduce this effort he could certainly win the race in question.

Horses with good recent form will quite often also be the BF(12) horse in the race, but the main object of the panel is to identify possible ‘smokeys’… for inclusion in exotics or to be backed as savers.

For your information a quite recent Pinjarra BF(12) winner was Noble Twostep who won on May 6 and paid $56.40 for the win. There are numerous other winners in the 20/1 to 50/1 price range that are identified as the top rated runner by this BF(12) panel.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jul-17, 04:49 PM
Thanks Philby, that explains it.
Is there a place on the site where it explains all of those different ratings segments?


Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jul-17, 04:52 PM
No problems Wily, happy to help where I can.  I will look into your next question and get back to you. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Jul-18, 10:33 AM
Philby


I may be using these sites incorrectly BUT

When will all be functions bet available on one site. I've spent the morning switching between the beta site and the old 1 tab site trying to take racing multis
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Jul-18, 04:07 PM
Wily, the Digital team continue to roll out updates every few weeks.  A few more months and they should be on par.  Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: dragons on 2015-Jul-18, 04:18 PM
Any chance i can not get asked to verify my email by the TAB every time i back a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Aug-19, 06:06 PM
Trying to see a replay of Ipswich Race 6 this afternoon.
Sky media centre gives us another look at race 5 when you click on race 6.
Yes I tried clicking on 5 to see if I got 6; but no, it is R5 also :no:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Aug-19, 06:29 PM
Any chance i can not get asked to verify my email by the TAB every time i back a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!


?????

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Aug-19, 06:31 PM
Trying to see a replay of Ipswich Race 6 this afternoon.
Sky media centre gives us another look at race 5 when you click on race 6.
Yes I tried clicking on 5 to see if I got 6; but no, it is R5 also :no:

Doing the same for me
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Aug-20, 09:19 AM
Trying to see a replay of Ipswich Race 6 this afternoon.
Sky media centre gives us another look at race 5 when you click on race 6.
Yes I tried clicking on 5 to see if I got 6; but no, it is R5 also :no:

Lert - thx for raising. Should be fixed. Philby.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Aug-20, 10:32 AM
Thanks Philby.
New problem is that since this morning I can't access the replays at all.

When I click on Ipswich R6 to bring up the replay I get taken to the following address:

https://www1.tab.com.au/cas/login?service=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skyracing.com.au%2Fcas%2Flogin.php&gateway=true

At this point I get told that I need to log in to my TAB account despite the fact that I am already logged in.
When I try to log in (again) I get the following error message:

"Your connection is not private"
 
"Attackers might be trying to steal your information from www1.tab.com.au (for example passwords, messages or credit cards) NET=ERROR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID"

It then provides a tick box (which I have not ticked) for me to "Automatically report details of possible security incidents to Google. Privacy Policy"

I don't appear to be having any issues with anything other than the Sky Media Centre so suspect this is related to the TAB website rather than an issue with my computer.
Any thoughts?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Aug-20, 11:50 AM
All good now  :biggrin:   emthup
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Aug-20, 11:54 AM
All good now   :biggrin:     emthup  
Thanks Lert, technical team members resolved some certificate issues about an hour ago. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Aug-31, 03:49 PM
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Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Aug-31, 05:25 PM
Wily, grateful if you could be more specific.  I had a look at Greys form at Albion Park and all appeared to be in order. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Aug-31, 05:46 PM
Philby, I apologise. the relevant horse fell 1 day outside the 3 month search parameters...oops  :shy:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Oct-26, 08:56 AM
Hello,

Note that we will be retiring www1.tab.com.au on 9th November.  From all web transactions (betting / account etc) will be handled by www.tab.com.au.

With respect to features not currently available on tab.com.au we are planning to migrate remaining functionality by 9th November.

Cheers,

Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Oct-26, 10:49 AM
Hi Philby,

You might recall that after the site was upgraded a year or two ago we had to endure a period when the site kept dropping us out after 30 minutes or so of inactivity.
You had the problem fixed with a 3 hour drop out time implemented to everyone's relief.

I noticed that the 30 minute drop out was reinstituted a couple of months ago.
I have been waiting for someone to fix it but to no avail.
Having to constantly log on again several times each race day is a total pain and I usually just stop betting with TAB and go to one of the corporates instead.

Do you think you can get the problem fixed again mate?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Oct-26, 10:51 AM
Thanks Lert.  Good to hear from you.  Let's me see what is possible.  Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2015-Oct-26, 11:01 AM
  emthup
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2015-Oct-26, 10:41 PM
 8-)
Do you think you can get the problem fixed again mate?
Thanks Lert.  Good to hear from you.  Let's me see what is possible.  Cheers, Philby
   emthup  
l'll  8-) 8-) and raise you  8-)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: whispering on 2015-Oct-27, 12:44 AM
So on 9th November we can do system multis on the new site?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2015-Nov-11, 12:06 AM
So the old ww1.tab.com.au website has now been switched off, and there are no multiple results available for more than a week previously? Is that correct?

If you want to go back more than one week you have to go to Sky Channel results and it just has the starting odds - not multiples?

And there are no starting tote prices for any of the runners like there were previously? In fact I can't even see the starting odds for the horses from last Saturday even?

Seriously? Am I missing something?

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-11, 06:47 AM
Thanks Turfdeli, I have passed on your feedback.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Nov-11, 08:17 AM
Thanks Turfdeli, I have passed on your feedback.

Mate I have to agree with turfdeli.

The new "functionality" falls way short of what we had previously.

This is what Tatts have:

https://tatts.com/racing/racingsearch

I think at the very least we should have something similar.

Cheers.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2015-Nov-11, 08:33 AM
This is really a major issue. We used to be able to go back a year, see the full final tote starting prices and see all of the multiples and exotic dividends.

Now this information is only stored for 1 day! I can't even see who the subs were for say Oaks Day - and it has been less than a week!

The Sky racing results only show 1st to 4th and that is it. No other information at all.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Nov-11, 08:34 AM
For a results search, there should be page where you enter the day, month and year from a drop down list (not a range like is currently there), like Tatts have:

(http://s15.postimg.org/3z676umzr/search1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3z676umzr/)

- maybe a choice also between dogs, trots and gallops.

When you hit submit, the front page for that day should come up:

(http://s22.postimg.org/3vm7h7k7h/screen2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3vm7h7k7h/)

I don't know what TAB's programmers are saying, but take it from someone who has been programming since the 1980's  :shy: a read only operation on a database like that is Year 1 Semester 1 university stuff. Given the right tools, I would have a prototype knocked up in about 10 minutes. What Tatts have done is pretty much what I'd have done.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2015-Nov-11, 08:36 AM
Plus we can't see pool sizes, etc for previous meetings either. No information on jackpots or carried forwards

Surely most professional punters if they were betting somewhere remote would want to get a feel for the pool sizes before placing a bet based on previous meetings.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jims Punting on 2015-Nov-11, 08:45 AM
Have only used Tatts for some time.
But watch the Ubet experiment stuff that site too.

Do they even consult with users ... ie punters?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2015-Nov-11, 08:46 AM
Basically what was there before was just fine (though it could have gone back further than one year).

Why the TAB keeps insisting on rolling out new upgrades with less functionality I have never understood.

Ironically, I can get more information about TAB results from its competitors - Sportsbet, etc.!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-11, 09:23 AM
Have only used Tatts for some time.
But watch the Ubet experiment stuff that site too.

Do they even consult with users ... ie punters?
Jim, with respect to tab.com.au users are consulted regularly.  Plus like most websites, analysis is ongoing on who uses what and when on the site. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2015-Nov-11, 09:28 AM
Philby, whist that is probably true, there is a desparate lack of racing knowledge at the TAB.

I attended a customer feedback session once, the level of racing knowledge of the people conducting the group was close to zero.

Your multi billion dollar company now has results available for ONE DAY and that's it.  If I want to see your results - I need to go to one of your rival corporate bookmakers.

This screams that there is something horribly wrong in the planning and development of software at TAB.

This is a major, major embarassment for the TAB.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-11, 09:36 AM
For a results search, there should be page where you enter the day, month and year from a drop down list (not a range like is currently there), like Tatts have:

(http://s15.postimg.org/3z676umzr/search1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3z676umzr/)

- maybe a choice also between dogs, trots and gallops.

When you hit submit, the front page for that day should come up:

(http://s22.postimg.org/3vm7h7k7h/screen2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3vm7h7k7h/)

I don't know what TAB's programmers are saying, but take it from someone who has been programming since the 1980's  :shy: a read only operation on a database like that is Year 1 Semester 1 university stuff. Given the right tools, I would have a prototype knocked up in about 10 minutes. What Tatts have done is pretty much what I'd have done.


Thanks PP7, a full results archive is coming. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2015-Nov-11, 09:44 AM
Philby, it really should have been implemented before the old site was turned off! When you say coming do you mean next few days?

I would hope TAB would realise their error and restore the old site until they can provide adequate functionality for their users on the new site.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2015-Nov-11, 10:15 AM
Jim, with respect to tab.com.au users are consulted regularly.  Plus like most websites, analysis is ongoing on who uses what and when on the site. Cheers, Philby
Yeah, right.

Wonder which users Tabcorp consulted about allowing Tote Tasmania to steal over $60 million annually from other Supertab punters?

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2015-Nov-11, 01:13 PM
Actually my reading of the wagering licence is that TABCORP are now in breach of their agreement but not having results available.

The WBS must fully implement the Wagering and Betting Rules as supplied to the Commission by the Wagering and Betting Licensee

The WBS must facilitate the ability to retrieve results and dividends on any  closed event for a period of time as described in the Betting Rules.


http://assets.justice.vic.gov.au/vcglr/resources/83ef51d7-b109-4769-bccd-0693464251e7/wageringbettingsystemrequirements_technicalstandard+_april+2012.pdf

Whilst I can't find a definition of the "period of time"  in the betting rules you would struggle to argue that one day was adequate.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jims Punting on 2015-Nov-11, 05:30 PM
Jim, with respect to tab.com.au users are consulted regularly.  Plus like most websites, analysis is ongoing on who uses what and when on the site. Cheers, Philby
Apologies Philby ... I was out of line ... and grossly off-topic (re Ubet).

Knowing the service you give and have given, I would not direct such a comment at you for any reason, but broadly the industry seems to get it wrong often enough to raise the ire of punters. Thus the reason for the rant about lack of consultation.

Edit: And if there is consultation, they may not be directing questions at the best-placed group to offer best-practice advice.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-12, 08:48 AM
All good Jim.  I understood all along that the enquiries/feedback wasn't directed at me.  tab.com.au recognises the need for historical results and is working to quickly resolve the manner.  I can't give exact timeframes as per TurfDeli's request except to say it is recognised as a priority.  Your feedback is appreciated and is one of many elements that helps us drive our priorities.  Good luck tonight. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2015-Nov-12, 09:22 AM
Hi Philby, I think what is is difficult to understand is why an existing system for providing results was turned off before an adequate replacement was ready? It is not like this is new funcationality, it is core functionality, in fact as I have pointed out above it is actually one of the conditions of TABCORP's wagering licence.

The old system had been working in parallel with the new one and should not have been turned off until it had the same functionality.  I think TABCORP really needs to own up here, admit they stuffed up big time and just switch the old system back on until they get the new one ready.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-12, 09:34 AM
Thanks TD, you have made your point on several occasions and all your feedback has been noted.  The team recognise the need to provide a results archive and will be doing so in the near future. Regards, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2015-Nov-12, 07:32 PM
I'm having trouble viewing the Victorian TAB results on the Skyracing page. NSW defaults, but when I select Vic, it just re-loads the NSW results.
And if I try logging in via my TAB account, then load the results, all the races are listed, but no results.

Anyone else seeing this kind of behaviour?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Nov-13, 11:11 AM
Philby42,

For some reason you guys have eliminated the possibilty of checking race codes from your new site before one bets ( ie batch betting used to enable checking these but does not now and the old site has been closed ).

Any idea when this issue will be addressed - is it a priority?

This is an issue because :-

1) On a busy Saturday thoroughbred meetings can end up having a greyhound code or a trots code
2) due to delayed meetings, or transferred meetings, or even multiple meetings in a country or provinvial area unusual or differentcodes to normal are used for a given meeting
3) Your compettion provides codes for meetings - apparently they want people to bet with them... strange I know.....
4) I have brought the need for such codes, in a handy spot, to your attention before - your competiion has them right besdie the meeting itself... they must be crazy.....

5) Legal ramifications - can you guys ( not you personally Philby42 of course ) seriously maintain that a punter is responsible for losses incurred, as a result of using a wrong code, given that the client had to guess the code, as a result of your removal of the information from your site......


What I am dong meanwhile .. one's statement can provide the codes ... albeit after a bet is placed.....

I am doing that rather than ring every day as your help line suggested - or can I bill you guys for the calls 7 days a week?

Once again I marvel at how this sort of thing can occurr.....

I have noticed good things on the new site but really Philby42..... no codes being provided anywhere on your site is a joke.

Perhaps I am the dill and other batch bettors have solved these issues easily.... I'm all ears.... jfc.

Perhaps Studio solves these issues ( I have no idea ) but really batch betting is all I need as long as I can ...... responsibly  ..... check the codes BEFORE I bet.

Fours

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-13, 11:17 AM
4s, thanks for your feedback.  Making enquiries internally and will get back to you. Cheers, P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-13, 11:25 AM
4s, try this and let me know how you go:

http://form.tab.com.au/racing/meetings/today/R

Cheers,
Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Nov-13, 11:38 AM
Philby42,

Internet explorer and Chrome both cant download it at the moment.

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Nov-13, 11:44 AM
Philby42,

Internet explorer and Chrome both cant download it at the moment.

Fours

Works for me using both Chrome and IE.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-13, 11:47 AM
Thanks PP7, same here.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Nov-13, 11:49 AM
Philby42,

Okay Chrome works just fine once I stopped using the copy and paste from internet explorer generated page.

The codes are indeed on this form site.... Thankyou.

A pity your helpline did not know about this!

Also your online auto response facility enrages rather than helps....

Fours
ps perhaps you could educate us all about Studio - If I am in the dark there will be many more so.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: whispering on 2015-Nov-13, 06:20 PM
Have lodged a complaint with orgl in nsw regarding the rules someone above has posted.

Seriously not allowing us to check results from the day before?
If its part of the rules around having a licence id like to see the golly green giant fined or at least hire a real IT team who know whata business analyst does.

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-13, 06:58 PM
Philby42,

Okay Chrome works just fine once I stopped using the copy and paste from internet explorer generated page.

The codes are indeed on this form site.... Thankyou.

A pity your helpline did not know about this!

Also your online auto response facility enrages rather than helps....

Fours
ps perhaps you could educate us all about Studio - If I am in the dark there will be many more so.

4s, re studio suggest you check out https://studio.tab.com.au/
Cheers
Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2015-Nov-13, 07:13 PM
Have lodged a complaint with orgl in nsw regarding the rules someone above has posted.

Seriously not allowing us to check results from the day before?
If its part of the rules around having a licence id like to see the golly green giant fined or at least hire a real IT team who know whata business analyst does.



Good on you Whispering I have done the same in Victoria. My reading of it is that TABCORP is clearly in breach of its wagering licence.

Funny enough I remember 25 years ago I could go into any TAB and look at the big log book of print out results - still better service than provided today!

Might look at starting an online campaign next week depending on how long it takes TAB to own up and realise their mistake here.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2015-Nov-14, 01:33 PM
I'm still not able to view VIC Tab results on the Skyracing site.
NSW defaults, but when I choose VIC, it just re-loads with the NSW results, and if I log in via my Tab account, the page will only show the race names, but not the results.
Is anyone else seeing this?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Nov-14, 01:40 PM
skyracing.com.au working ok for me mate
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2015-Nov-14, 05:52 PM
Here's the problem. Results page defaults to NSW:
(http://s8.postimg.org/c82ok7cdd/Screen_Shot_2015_11_14_at_6_39_53_PM.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/c82ok7cdd/)

Select S-TAB to view Vic TAB results:
(http://s2.postimg.org/8nqgjr38l/Screen_Shot_2015_11_14_at_6_41_42_PM.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8nqgjr38l/)

When I do this, the page reloads, but reverts to NSW.

If I login to my TAB account, then load up the results page, this is what I get:
(http://s7.postimg.org/nw5xbyutj/Screen_Shot_2015_11_14_at_6_43_00_PM.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/nw5xbyutj/)

In effect, I can't view the S-TAB results.
This happens in Firefox, Chrome and Safari on OSX El Capitan.

Anyone have any idea what's going on here?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2015-Nov-14, 05:58 PM
No problem for me Barry the dividends change when I select the other TAB option
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Nov-14, 09:37 PM
I'm still not able to view VIC Tab results on the Skyracing site.
NSW defaults, but when I choose VIC, it just re-loads with the NSW results, and if I log in via my Tab account, the page will only show the race names, but not the results.
Is anyone else seeing this?

Have had the same problem.

There is a cookie or something or rather that is telling your computer that you are "NSW" Barry.

Try this.

Download and install another browser like Opera.

http://www.opera.com/

Go straight to the Victorian results. I can recall doing something like this in the past and it worked.

There is probably some other way like clearing your browser cache.

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Nov-14, 09:41 PM
...and of course if you are looking for the different totes Racenet shows all the different dividends on their results pages

https://www.racenet.com.au/horse-racing-results/latestresults.aspx

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2015-Nov-15, 10:21 AM
Thanks PP7. I'll keep digging around to see if I can sort it out. I've already set Skyracing to accept cookies, but there's probably something else somewhere!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: whispering on 2015-Nov-15, 11:44 PM
press control and f5

when do you think the telegraph or ANY newspaper racing section will be writing about the tab website?

or is 3 mill enough to stop writing anything bad at all
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Nov-16, 04:39 PM
Anyone not overly happy with the latest APP updates?
Personally I find it very hard to read the font has been changed so it is very light and fine
Also, some navigation is hard. Especially getting out of one race page and trying to get back to the "front page". Used to click on an icon down the bottowm and back you went. Now you have to go back one page at a time :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2015-Nov-16, 05:48 PM
Anyone not overly happy with the latest APP updates?
Personally I find it very hard to read the font has been changed so it is very light and fine
Also, some navigation is hard. Especially getting out of one race page and trying to get back to the "front page". Used to click on an icon down the bottowm and back you went. Now you have to go back one page at a time :chin:

Agree the other font was much better. No idea who does this stuff, but it is pretty amateur.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: MagiC~* on 2015-Nov-16, 07:17 PM
Anyone not overly happy with the latest APP updates?

Hi P2, any chance you could ask your App guys if we could swipe between horses form as opposed to hitting the back button and then back in again ?

I find it very hard to compare form doing it that way, and being able to swipe between horses to check their form / stats is the only thing that stops me from using it over the Qld one   emthup

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jims Punting on 2015-Nov-17, 08:38 AM
Interesting ...

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/117504/Tabcorp,-Tatts-merger-talks-break-down#CommentsView

Also interesting was the view of a punter who appears to be unrelated to this forum  :chin:

The merger kite has been flown -- it is only a mater of time before the merger is approved.
Do not confuse giving Tabcorp an efficient operational monopoly with the responsibilities
of the states to set their own take-out rates on their local resident pools -- the Queensland
government, and other States, can set whatever take-outs (and associated different
dividends) that they like to. Some competition between the states would be wonderful.

16/11/2015 10:58:26 PM from Peter Mair

and:

This is a great result for the little punter. A takeover of Tatts would have given a total
Australian monopoly of parimutuel betting to Tabcorp. Given that Tabcorp have recently
released the WORST website in the history of Racing, Tatts (Ubet) now have the only
site which is user friendly ie it is easy to find daily Jackpot info, and info for scratchings,
double approx etc etc etc. These were easy to navigate on the old Tab websites.
It appears Tabcorp now have a care factor of zero towards Customer Service, and
of their poor handling of thousands of complaints in the past 2 weeks.

16/11/2015 7:31:30 PM from TIC
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-17, 10:53 AM
Hi P2, any chance you could ask your App guys if we could swipe between horses form as opposed to hitting the back button and then back in again ?

I find it very hard to compare form doing it that way, and being able to swipe between horses to check their form / stats is the only thing that stops me from using it over the Qld one    emthup  


Magic, what sort of device are you using.  On my iphone I can swipe between runners form in each race.  Is this an android thing? Cheers, Phil
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: MagiC~* on 2015-Nov-17, 11:19 AM
Magic, what sort of device are you using.  On my iphone I can swipe between runners form in each race.  Is this an android thing? Cheers, Phil

Possibly mate, yes i have an android.

I can swipe between races, just not between horses in the same race when comparing form :(
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-17, 11:36 AM
Anyone not overly happy with the latest APP updates?
Personally I find it very hard to read the font has been changed so it is very light and fine
Also, some navigation is hard. Especially getting out of one race page and trying to get back to the "front page". Used to click on an icon down the bottowm and back you went. Now you have to go back one page at a time :chin:
Wily, which app are you referring to? iOS, iPad, Android? Cheers, Phil
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Nov-17, 11:47 AM
Android on my  Samsung 4 mate.
Did the recent update last week and the font is impossibly hard to read by comparison.
Also the icon to take you back direct to the home page no longer works, you have to do it one at a time
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Nov-17, 12:23 PM
Android on my  Samsung 4 mate.


Geezus don't you get phone upgrades with your plan mate?

Got my wife a brand new Samsung Edge 6 on the weekend - magnificent device   emthup

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Nov-17, 01:12 PM
Company phone mate and they have me locked in till june :mad:


Unless I drop it down the dunny  :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2015-Nov-17, 04:41 PM
Happy to report that Tabcorp have fixed the Skyracing results page.
I can now freely select NSW or S-TAB and have the correct results displayed. No changes at my end, but now working in all browsers.
I note also that they've added the jockey and trainer to the results. Well done  8-), this is handy information that was added to already-available space, without taking up anymore overall screen real-estate.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2015-Nov-17, 09:39 PM

Download and install another browser like Opera.

http://www.opera.com/

It's my No 1 browser.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: MagiC~* on 2015-Nov-18, 07:31 AM
Got my wife a brand new Samsung Edge 6 on the weekend - magnificent device

Don't tell my wife PP, but I bought one a few weeks ago for her 40th birthday next week  :love:

She keeps whinging that she has never had a new phone, she always gets my hand me downs  :shy:

I hope she really appreciates the fact that it is much better than my current phone  :tears:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Nov-18, 08:23 AM
She keeps whinging that she has never had a new phone, she always gets my hand me downs

This must be a common trait - have been guilty of the same crime in the past  :shy:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Nov-21, 07:03 AM
Just went to the new site to check on last nights results and be buggered if I can find them. Am I blind or is there no way to access that info
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-21, 07:14 AM
Wily, try https://www.tab.com.au/racing/meetings/results/yesterday/R
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Nov-21, 07:23 AM
Philby

I think you for helping this blind ole fool  :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-21, 07:29 AM
All good mate, hope you got the result you were looking for. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2015-Nov-21, 11:30 AM
Philby

Small problem with yesterday's results. Looked for Gloucester Park and the results finished at race 6.

Looks like midnight AEDT cut off.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-21, 12:11 PM
Thanks Sobig, I have let the team know. Cheers, P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Nov-28, 10:49 AM
Hi Philby

Any idea when the videos will be in the form for the TAB site as it was on the old site?

Also mate, skyracing seems to be down
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-28, 12:17 PM
Thanks Wily, relevant team is looking Sky problem.  Will investigate video in form piece and get back to you.  Cheers, P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Wenona on 2015-Nov-28, 12:30 PM
Sky website down .... hopeless.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Nov-29, 10:13 AM
Still down
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Nov-29, 10:21 AM
Thanks Wily, our teams continue to work on it.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2015-Nov-30, 01:43 PM



Where are the past results posted please?

Looking to refresh my understanding of the results last Saturday -- after being redirected to 'SKY SPORTS' I am told that the 'results have not arrived'.

...... can someone check if the carrier pigeon was felled by a storm?

What is the plan for posting past results? -- why are they not on the TAB sites
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jims Punting on 2015-Nov-30, 01:47 PM
Where are the past results posted please?

What is the plan for posting past results? -- why are they not on the TAB sites
Bet365 has them  :whistle:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2015-Nov-30, 07:19 PM


Neither 365 or any other corporate is likely to post the 'results' of TAB operations.


I am especially interested to test the claims that in NSW the 'new' low-grade', highway-robbery handicaps are delivering 'high turnover' -- and presumably not diminishing the pools on the early quadrella.

While it is possible that this money-grubbing 'innovation' is momentarily popular, the hopes will soon give way to the reality of TAB punters being very wary of races where they have no way of ranking the runners.

TAB betting is -- should be -- best served by running races of limited fields of horses proven competitive: races run with overcrowded fields of unqualified runners may deliver 'lotto dividends' but TAB punters are not intending to play lotto.

.................stop the nonsense and do not hide the results history.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: pegasyber on 2015-Dec-05, 07:22 PM
 Wrong thread.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Dec-12, 10:11 AM
On the skyracing form site, why are there no Dommben replays in the form?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Dec-12, 11:34 AM
Gday Wily, any particular race. i went into r1 and all appeared ok. cheers, philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Dec-13, 06:00 AM
Sorry philby, probably too late now. Sold for Song R7. You could see the replay for her coloundra run but the video for her doomben run was not available

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Dec-13, 02:30 PM
Philby42

I see the totes for HK are to the nearest 5c. eg in race one Super Fluke is $10.35 and the two favs $1.45 and $1.65 the place.

Why is this not always the case?

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2015-Dec-13, 02:37 PM
Philby42,

Oh dear ..... so final pool dividends are 'altered' to remove the 5c in some mystical fashion with the divs now $1.30 and $1.80 for the two placed favs....

Its not a good look.

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Dec-16, 04:04 PM
Many thanks for those of you who provided feedback on the results.  Consistent with earlier commitments that they would be on the website before Christmas, they have gone up on tab.com.au today.  Again thanks for your ongoing feedback.  It is very much appreciated. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Dec-17, 11:36 AM
Many thanks for those of you who provided feedback on the results.  Consistent with earlier commitments that they would be on the website before Christmas, they have gone up on tab.com.au today.  Again thanks for your ongoing feedback.  It is very much appreciated. Cheers, Philby

Mate if I click on Saturday the 20th December 2014 I get this and am not able to "drill down"....

(http://s12.postimg.org/tt8x7hwix/results.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/tt8x7hwix/)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Dec-17, 09:58 PM
Thanks for raising PP7, team is working on it. Will advise when fixed. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Dec-19, 09:08 AM
Skyform again not showing some videos in the form.
R6 in sydney, Elle Lou. All videos available except for her last run at Rosehill :chin:

The same applies to Centre Pivot in the 9th @ Doomben
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Dec-19, 12:07 PM
Thanks Wily, Have notified relevant parties.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: parano1a on 2015-Dec-21, 12:00 AM
Can anyone confirm the full list of TAB Venue Codes for VIC/NSW and what they stand for/ are used for?

Here's my observations/thoughts:

M Melbourne
S Sydney
B Brisbane
A Adelaide
W Perth/WA
P Provincial (usually Vic)
C Country (usually NSW)
Y New Zealand
T Tasmania (also somtimes Qld)
L Miscellaneous??
E England?? Hong Kong?
J South Africa

Also looking at the TAB Calendar there are a heap of new codes in the system now:
D, K, F, I, O, Q, H, R, V, U

Does anyone know how these codes are assigned and what they stand for?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: pegasyber on 2015-Dec-21, 07:52 AM
Hi parano1a just wonder if you have ever placed a bet at the TAB.

The codes or at least some of them are a legacy of the original TAB operations where all tickets were handwritten and brevity was essential and easy with the then small number of events each day. It was a great pity as computerisation took over that it was impossible for the TABs to adopt more specific codes to the actual Locations or Racetracks rather than the broad ones still used, and which at times can become misleading in their usage.
 Computer users tend to use  Track specific codes ( eg. EF  Eagle Farm,  MV Mooney Valley etc... )  which  they can assign and extract in research track specific information for analysis and resetting of research criteria and results, similar to codes used  in the airline and Telecommunications industries.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Dec-21, 11:18 AM
Hello, re Meeting Sell Codes, I found a resource that may be of use, refer: http://www.tabinfo.com.au/calendar/racingcalendar.pdf

Kicking around a few other ideas to assist.  If they come to fruition I will pass them on.

Cheers,

Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Dec-23, 12:04 AM
Mate can you ask them to check and see if the Blackbook is working?

I don't think it is. I have a horse in there and it raced last Friday with no notification.......

In fact the last notification I got was on the 6/11

Cheers.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2015-Dec-23, 09:48 PM
PP7
Use Racenet.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Dec-24, 12:16 AM
PP7
Use Racenet.

Thanks westie.

I use Racenet, Racing and Sports and William Hill's blackbooks .... running out of space!!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Dec-24, 06:51 AM
Don't you delete them after a few runs :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Dec-24, 11:06 AM
st notification I got was on the 6/11

Cheers.
PP7, understand that it relates to the service being refreshed through the new tab.com.au.  You will need to re-add your entries.  Apologies for the inconvenience. Regards, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Dec-24, 11:09 AM
Hello all, just wanted to take the opportunity to wish everyone and their families/significant others on RHT a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.  Really do appreciate your feedback and would like you to know that it is really helpful on our end in strengthening the way we go about things.  Very much looking forward to 2016 and beyond and welcome your ongoing feedback.  Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2015-Dec-24, 03:31 PM
Tabcorp veteran Kerry Willcock has paid the price for 'dirty money' claims levelled by the government's counter-terrorism financing regulator against the betting giant.
The Australian Transaction Reports and Analysis Centre (Austrac) – a government body that seeks to keep "dirty money" out of Australia's financial system – in July alleged more than 100 separate breaches of the law by Tabcorp, including an incident of a betting plunge on an NRL Cowboys versus Bulldogs game in 2010 that caused bookmakers to suspend betting.
While Tabcorp plans to battle the bulk of charges ahead of a Federal Court trial and potential $17 million fine, the charges levelled at the company sparked it into action with the creation of a new risk department in November led by former Macquarie Bank executive Clinton Lollback. Julian Hoskins is expected to take over as general counsel.
As a result Ms Willcock will depart her role as head of corporate, legal and regulatory after a decade long stint with Tabcorp.
While Ms Willcock was part of Tabcorp's senior executive leadership team, she is not understood to be eligible for any termination payments other than payment in lieu of notice which its annual report lists as being 12 months. She earned $739,732 in the financial year to June 30, 2015 and also holds options on performance related share payments worth over $300,000.
Ms Willcock, who is also Tabcorp's general counsel and company secretary, was responsible for regulatory, government relations, corporate affairs, internal communications, responsible gambling and community affairs at the Melbourne-based company.
"Further to November's announcement regarding the establishment of a new risk function, Tabcorp is restructuring its legal and regulatory function," a Tabcorp spokesman said on Thursday. "As a consequence of this change, Kerry Willcock will leave the business. As a key executive, she has led our corporate, legal and regulatory effort through many pivotal changes, including the demerger of the casino business in 2011."
The high-profile Austrac case may prove an embarrassment for Tabcorp's star-studded board, which is chaired by Paula Dwyer, an ANZ director and member of the Australian Securities and Investments Commission's external advisory panel.
Other board members include Commonwealth Bank of Australia and Lendlease director Jane Hemstritch, who chairs Tabcorp's audit, risk and compliance committee, ASX chief executive Elmer Funke Kupper and Ziggy Switkowski, chairman of Suncorp and the NBN.
The gambling industry, worth more than $25 billion in Australia, has long been considered a high-risk sector for money laundering because criminals can exploit the high cash turnover and large volume of transactions to camouflage illegitimate transactions.
A federal court hearing is scheduled for September 2016.
   

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Dec-24, 08:03 PM
Ms Willcock can probably consider herself unlucky.

Most incompetent corporate executives who stuff up (and there are a heap of them) get away with it, and the public is none the wiser.

A bit hard to do that if Austrac are taking you to court.

Merry Xmas to all at TABCorp philby, and thanks for your incredible diplomatic undertakings during 2015 in responding to angry customers on this thread  :)

And may the wagering landscape favour you and your company in 2016 (old Confucius saying).
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2015-Dec-24, 08:15 PM


Filby the flak katcher

Beware of a poison licker performing 'incredible diplomatic undertakings'.

...........spare me the tripe .... please .................this guy knows what Tabcorp is doing for itself, and its unholy allies, and against  TAB punters, everyday:  carrying the can -- a real brimmer in the dunny can carrying trade -- is not something to be applauded.

..................as for Ms Willcock......... she looks like the fall gul in this little saga.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2015-Dec-24, 08:16 PM

Filby the flak katcher

Beware of a poison licker performing 'incredible diplomatic undertakings'.

...........spare me the tripe .... please .................this guy knows what Tabcorp is doing for itself, and its unholy allies, and against  TAB punters, everyday:  carrying the can -- a real brimmer in the dunny can carrying trade -- is not something to be applauded.

..................as for Ms Willcock......... she looks like the fall gul in this little saga.

Merry Xmas to you and your family Peter.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2015-Dec-24, 08:39 PM


Hopefully, we will all be taking time to reflect on delivering TAB-punters a fair go

-- ---------as is, racing is run as an absolute rort against the very customers who put the honey in the jar that attracts the predators.

Even a modest commitment to accountability across customer segments would be a start.

................ a very dirty business... for my money ............and for that of so many others.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Arsenal on 2015-Dec-25, 06:53 PM
TABCORP and "dirty money" case causes high profile executive's departure.....case to be heard in 2016.


http://www.smh.com.au/business/tabcorp-veteran-departs-after-dirty-money-claims-20151224-gluk3q.html


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2015-Dec-26, 07:44 AM
NO form on the TAB site for any races :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Dec-26, 08:40 AM
Thanks Wily. Have referred the matter to the appropriate team.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Dec-26, 08:44 AM
Wily, feel free to refer to: https://www.skyracing.com.au/tab/form/ whilst we restore tab.com.au
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2015-Dec-26, 09:37 AM
NO form on the TAB site for any races :chin:
Wily, should be available now. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2015-Dec-26, 01:29 PM
TABCORP and "dirty money" case causes high profile executive's departure.....case to be heard in 2016.


http://www.smh.com.au/business/tabcorp-veteran-departs-after-dirty-money-claims-20151224-gluk3q.html


Giddy Up :beer:

Arsenal , I posted that same story 2 days ago

giddy up  :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jan-07, 11:24 AM
Just went to place a bet on sydney race 6 on my tab app

The form for termele is all Wong

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2016-Jan-09, 09:24 AM
Does anyone know of alternatives to the TAB and Sky Racing sites for Victorian TAB results?
I'm looking for the Early Quaddie dividend from Cranbourne last night.
Unfortunately, the TAB site is only listing the first three races in its results page, and the Skyracing site (which is showing all eight races) never shows Early Quaddie divs.

I've tried a couple of other sites, but no joy.

Ta
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2016-Jan-09, 09:40 AM
http://www.sportsbet.com.au/results/racing?action=GoMeetingResults&ev_type_id=310&specific_date=08/01/2016

(5,8,11,6)
53.30
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Barry on 2016-Jan-09, 09:48 AM
Brilliant, thanks Arakaan. Much appreciated.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Skybeau on 2016-Jan-09, 12:50 PM
Does anyone know of alternatives to the TAB and Sky Racing sites for Victorian TAB results?
I'm looking for the Early Quaddie dividend from Cranbourne last night.
Unfortunately, the TAB site is only listing the first three races in its results page, and the Skyracing site (which is showing all eight races) never shows Early Quaddie divs.

I've tried a couple of other sites, but no joy.

Ta


Same with Geelong dogs, even though I was sure the results were there when I had a look this morning.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jan-10, 11:05 AM
Why no replays of the Gold Coast yesterday?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Jan-10, 07:36 PM
Wily, according to Foxtel EPG they were on Sky2 at 5am and Sky Thoroighbred Central at 7.30am. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2016-Jan-10, 08:00 PM
Wily, according to Foxtel EPG they were on Sky2 at 5am and Sky Thoroighbred Central at 7.30am. Cheers, Philby

and i watched the replays on 521 at 11.30 as well as the 9.00am show     emthup
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
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Total GOD, I had a crap day yesterday


So why the  hell relive it with a reply?

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So why the  hell relive it with a reply?



maybe thats how he vents   :shrug:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jan-11, 06:16 AM
Wily, according to Foxtel EPG they were on Sky2 at 5am and Sky Thoroighbred Central at 7.30am. Cheers, Philby

Sorry Phil, I meant on the skyracing site on the net. Ascot, from Saturday,  was missing as well as late as last night
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jan-11, 06:17 AM
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  :lol:  Yes but I need them to check if my eyes were not deceiving me as to how bad some of the rides were
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2016-Jan-21, 06:58 AM


Where on the Tabcorp TAB sites are the promised historical results, please?

Looking ahead to the weekend, and having a quick look at the form-guides published on Racenet, I was interested to see what happened at the corresponding meetings in Melbourne and Sydney on 24 January 2015.

Alas, no results are accessible  -- and one question is why not -- and a next is can they be made accessible, for at least the last two years, please?

What we do know is that the results for the races run on Saturday, in Melbourne and Sydney, will be published as the day unfolds -- and there is a sense of dismay already gathering in my mind.

Have a look at the fields -- does anyone remember what happened last year? ... or where a record can be accessed, please?

Why is Tabcorp hiding this historical stuff?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Jan-21, 07:08 AM
Peter they are available on Ubet, ( www.tatts.com ), go to racing , go to results, type in date , hey presto !
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2016-Jan-21, 09:27 AM


Thanks for that -- a bit laborious to go to next race - Tabcorp should do better.

Whatever, the results for RRandwick were consistent with the form -- but, as usual, they say stay well clear of the Valley.

Check the Valley fields -- inflated fields, many do not warrant a start at the allocated weight, too many racing first up -- stay away.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jan-21, 04:09 PM


Check the Valley fields -- inflated fields, [/size]

Half the races will have less than 9 runners. Is that inflated
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jan-21, 05:28 PM
Philby

When will the replays be availbale in the form on tab.com.au? It's a pain in the arse to be constantly running back to sky racing :mad:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Jan-21, 06:07 PM
Philby

When will the replays be availbale in the form on tab.com.au? It's a pain in the arse to be constantly running back to sky racing :mad:

I use Racing NSW and racing.com for the replays of NSW and Victoria. Both very high quality.

The Racing NSW form page not only has the video replays, but it uses the AAP form which I much prefer. In fact, for Victoria, I find myself constantly jumping back and forth between racing.com and Racing Australia which also uses AAP for form.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jan-21, 06:13 PM
Thanks mate, I do as well it's just that sometimes when placing bets, I like to do a quick review. Especially with exotics.
On the old site you could watch video in the same site that you could place bets. It's a pain in the arse switching all the time
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jan-25, 11:14 AM
Does anyone work in the feedback department. Sent an email of complaint a few weeks back and havn't got a response as yet.
Also, skyracing form guide. race 2 newcastle click the short replay option and you get the full replay.
Happens for every other race over the past month but no one realises :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Jan-25, 12:04 PM
Also, skyracing form guide. race 2 newcastle click the short replay option and you get the full replay.
Happens for every other race over the past month but no one realises :chin:
Thanks for raising Wily, I have alerted the appropriate team and asked for an eta. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2016-Jan-25, 03:45 PM
Someone must work there, I got this response today after they showed Matamata replays in place of the scheduled Toowoomba replays from 17th Jan

Thank you for your feedback.

We have passed this onto our race production department.

Regards
Sky Racing
 
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jan-25, 04:58 PM
In about a dozen emails over the years that's the only response I have ever had.
Zero follow up. Pathetic customer service
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2016-Jan-26, 02:57 AM
Can't beat the stock standard auto response function to make you feel like you've been responded to. Shame it's so blatantly obvious with the wording & they've been done to death in every other industry. Footnote we use them extensively in my work
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Jan-31, 09:22 AM
Does anyone work in thPhils iPad feedback department. Sent an email of complaint a few weeks back and havn't got a response as yet.
Also, skyracing form guide. race 2 newcastle click the short replay option and you get the full replay.
Happens for every other race over the past month but no one realises :chin:
Wily, this should be resolved now. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Jan-31, 09:24 AM
Philby

When will the replays be availbale in the form on tab.com.au? It's a pain in the arse to be constantly running back to sky racing :mad:
Wily, apolz but only just saw this request now. Will look into for you. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2016-Jan-31, 03:57 PM


Can we have access to past Tabcorp results please -- preferably for the previous two years?

....... and even for yesterday's racing, the only previous results apparently available, there is no reference to B6 pools and dividends.

OK the offering of this bet option is an embarrassment -- but the details of pool sizes and dividends should be published -- also for two past years.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2016-Feb-03, 04:52 PM
As if things could not get worse!

Tabcorp's insane initiative should finally drive me out of the game!

http://www.ise.com/media/124262/longitude-tabcorp-announcement_final.pdf
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jims Punting on 2016-Feb-03, 07:10 PM
Tabcorp's insane initiative should finally drive me out of the game!

http://www.ise.com/media/124262/longitude-tabcorp-announcement_final.pdf
Could that be good news for the rest of us  :o
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Feb-03, 07:18 PM
I just want them to fix their website and respond to customers feedbac
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Feb-13, 08:16 AM
Anyone having trouble this morning?
I was in for a time but then got this message when I went to caulfield races


This event is currently not available in this jurisdiction.
Return to the home page by clicking here.

Since then I can't view any racing, anywhere
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: pegasyber on 2016-Feb-13, 08:21 AM
No I am having problems unless someone has declared this day a punter No Betting revolt day and forget to tell everybody.  No Pools and No prices. Now I know I am having Telstra problems and they had even bigger problems in the last few days, so that may be the problem.   Never fear Peter Mairs call  for a no punter day may eventuate  with The TABS  unintentionally finding out  what it would be like if no punters can get a bet on. 
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Feb-13, 08:29 AM
  :lol:  :clap2:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Feb-13, 08:30 AM
WOD,Where did you go and no information was available ? Supertab,NSW tab, Unibet,Mad bookie, Centrebet etc etc  ? You must indicate where you went, you could have even gone shopping on a Saturday morning at Leran . :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Feb-13, 08:31 AM
hmmm,

Had to go to tabtouch to look at venues and prices......

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Feb-13, 08:37 AM
Now been fixed
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2016-Feb-13, 10:31 AM
made some great changes to the lay out (finally)....then got a Not Allowed to Bet in This Jurisdiction (when trying to look at Caulfield odds...)
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Feb-13, 10:41 AM
made some great changes to the lay out (finally)....then got a Not Allowed to Bet in This Jurisdiction (when trying to look at Caulfield odds...)

see above, you're not alone  :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Feb-13, 10:42 AM
You may have to reset the "location settings" on your device to place bets.If your settings have gone 'haywire', TAB does not allow bets to be placed from some locations such as the US, Russia or refugee camps in Nauru,etc.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2016-Feb-13, 05:47 PM
You may have to reset the "location settings" on your device to place bets.If your settings have gone 'haywire', TAB does not allow bets to be placed from some locations such as the US, Russia or refugee camps in Nauru,etc.

Where is the location settings on the PC sitting on my desk? I looked under the table and in every drawer - couldn't see it anywhere....
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Feb-13, 07:21 PM
Where is the location settings on the PC sitting on my desk? I looked under the table and in every drawer - couldn't see it anywhere....

You might have to buy a new desk . :thumbsup:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Skybeau on 2016-Feb-14, 07:21 PM
How long before we can watch Sky through the website again?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Feb-24, 12:35 PM
NSW TAB not working via web or mobile app at the moment for me.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Feb-27, 07:26 AM
Philby

When I log into skyracing to listen to racing HQ it is not possible to look at the form on sky racing without opening another browser :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2016-Mar-12, 12:07 PM
Why is it that whenever the Metro meeting in Qld is held at Gold Coast (an increasingly common occurrence), NSW TAB always refuses to recognise the meeting as such and promotes a much lower level provincial event to top billing for Queensland.

Today NSW TAB has the Sunshine Coast meeting as top billing ahead of Ascot, Newcastle etc and has the Metro Gold Coast below Toowoomba. :wacko:
The Sunshine Coast meeting has the Early Quaddie and the metro meeting does not. :o

Is someone at TAB playing silly games or do they just not know what is going on? :shrug:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Mar-12, 12:10 PM
No games mate, some of the decision makers in there have no idea
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Mar-12, 12:25 PM
Why is it that whenever the Metro meeting in Qld is held at Gold Coast (an increasingly common occurrence), NSW TAB always refuses to recognise the meeting as such and promotes a much lower level provincial event to top billing for Queensland.

Today NSW TAB has the Sunshine Coast meeting as top billing ahead of Ascot, Newcastle etc and has the Metro Gold Coast below Toowoomba. :wacko:
The Sunshine Coast meeting has the Early Quaddie and the metro meeting does not. :o

Is someone at TAB playing silly games or do they just not know what is going on? :shrug:

That is a pretty bad blue.

Anyone with their finger on the pulse would know there are two $100k races at the Goldie today and it is unquestionably the #1 meeting.

Obviously the person who is allocating the codes and assigning the quaddies is not a racing follower.  emthdown
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Mar-12, 01:10 PM
Philby, can you talk us through the process of how these things are decided?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Mar-18, 08:08 AM
TAB website not working for me this morning.

Co-incidentally, neither is William Hill.

All others OK.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Mar-18, 08:12 AM
Down for me as well mate

Also I couldn't find where to place my pick the margins bets on my phone app. Is it possible to do so?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Mar-18, 08:23 AM
Down for me as well mate

Also I couldn't find where to place my pick the margins bets on my phone app. Is it possible to do so?
All our digital prescences currently down.  Team are working on it and have identified some network issues that need resolution.  In meetings this morning but will do my best to keep you across resolution. Apols for inconvenience. P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Mar-18, 08:30 AM
Philby, can you talk us through the process of how these things are decided?
I appreciate the feedback.  I believe the challenge to be one of 'what customers are used to'.  I acknowledge that more sophisticated punters like the characters found in this forum would recognise that on certain occasions the highest quality meeting is the GC meeting and perhaps should therefore attract the BR code.  This has to be weighed up against the reality that on the majority of occasions it is not the main meeting and therefore attracts the LR code.   We would also expect a lot of our customers to be used to the fact that on most occasions the LR code is applied.

I will pass your feedback on to those who set these things up.  If that yields any further explanation I will be sure to pass it on.  Cheers, P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Mar-18, 08:59 AM
Issues with our sites/apps resolved.  Apologies again for the inconvenience.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Mar-18, 09:09 AM
P2

I tried to place a pick the margins on the APP yesterday but from what I could see the option wasn't available

Am I correct?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2016-Mar-19, 11:29 AM
Good to see the TAB struggling with where the races are run today  :whistle:




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Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Mar-24, 09:15 PM
Philby42,

Has the link to South Africa been lost the last 2 nights - first four pools are down >20g each race.... I wont play when that happens.

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Mar-27, 08:56 AM
Philby42,

South African linkage still appears to be out.....

It would only take a simple error report printout to alert people to this at the TAB .... just a simple 'if then else' write report statement to say normal parameters for the system are not being met.

eg Turfentein race 7 and the trifecta pays more than the first four - so a second error report for the dividend calculation parameters could pick this up another way too.

Fours



Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2016-Mar-27, 10:52 AM
I appreciate the feedback.  I believe the challenge to be one of 'what customers are used to'.  I acknowledge that more sophisticated punters like the characters found in this forum would recognise that on certain occasions the highest quality meeting is the GC meeting and perhaps should therefore attract the BR code.  This has to be weighed up against the reality that on the majority of occasions it is not the main meeting and therefore attracts the LR code.   We would also expect a lot of our customers to be used to the fact that on most occasions the LR code is applied.

I will pass your feedback on to those who set these things up.  If that yields any further explanation I will be sure to pass it on.  Cheers, P2
Philby,
I don't think the issue is so much about the coding; whether it is BR or LR is not all that important and if New South Welshmen are used to calling the Goldie LR that is OK.
The issue for me is finding the Queensland Metro meeting buried down the bottom of the list below provincial and country meetings on the TAB website and then finding the Early Quaddie is on a Queensland country meeting while there is no Early Quaddie on the metro meeting for the day.
It should not be all that difficult for the people responsible at TAB to figure out where the Queensland metro meeting is:
First Indicator: If there is no meeting at Doomben or Eagle Farm, then the Metro meeting is usually at the Gold Coast (very occasionally Sunshine Coast, Ipswich or Toowoomba for their big carnival days).
Second Indicator: Check the Racing Australia site; it is clearly indicated there whether a meeting is metro, provincial, etc.
Third Indicator: Check the Ubet website. The Queensland Metro meeting will always be on top of the page.

It is important that TAB sort this out; it is something that very regularly happens and is not a good look for TAB when they get it wrong.
Gold Coast is being developed as the third metro course for Queensland and will increasingly get more metro meetings each year over the coming years.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Apr-02, 10:16 AM
Down for me as well mate

Also I couldn't find where to place my pick the margins bets on my phone app. Is it possible to do so?
Wily et al, FootyTAB betting now available via the app. Cheers, Philby
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Apr-02, 11:32 AM
philby42,

Is the loss of the link with South Africa a permanent thing? Pools remain down >20 grand and jaclpot calc is different too.

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Apr-04, 10:08 AM
4s, to my knowledge we have no intentions to cease current pooling arrangements with the South Africans.  I reviewed race 1 tonight from Flamingo Park on tab.com.au and all the indicators are there -  < and >.  Cheers, P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Apr-04, 02:55 PM
Philby42,

Yes the > and < indicators remain in place BUT the link is gone regardless.

Check by pool sizes a month ago and you'll see pools are down > 20 grand for every race for first fours,  and that the jackpot dividend calculation is OURS rather than the South African methd too. Both changes suggest the link is in fact gone; it went just before Easter.

Fours

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-04, 02:55 PM
Where does one find the pick the margin approximates on the tab.com.au website?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Apr-04, 03:33 PM
Wily, try: http://tab.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/516/kw/multileg%20approximates

Cheers,

P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Apr-04, 03:42 PM
Philby42,

Heres a weeks data for you on first four pool sizes well before easter and after Easter taken from the last race where no jackpot from the preceding race was in play :-

728
3,163
1,789
1,387
1,599
1,227
587

this 7 days total $10,480 or only $1,497 per race

Well before easter on the same critiera :-

17.8K
26.4K
48.1K
29.2K
33.8k
28.4k
26.4K

these total $209.900 or $29,985 per race

The difference is stark and is more than $28,000 less per race.

The end result is that trifectas are now commonly paying more than frst fours and punters are not bothering to bet there.

The biss needs to know that punters DO NOTICE  these things even when you guys fail to.

Fours

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-04, 05:56 PM
I can't recall the last time I saw a tri pay more than a F4

F4 always seem to pay atleast 3 to 5 times more on the races I bet :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-04, 06:55 PM
Of course the raw dividend on a F4 will pay more than a trifecta, you still have to select the fourth placing, however trifectas offer better value. In the first race at Mildura today there were only four starters. On the NSW Tab the trifecta paid $5.00 and the F4 $4.60 on Supertab the trifecta $4.90 and the F4 $4.50
In that race the trifecta and the F4 in reality were the same result, but the F4 paid less why you might ask ? The trifecta has a lower takeout rate than the F4. Those dividends indicate trifectas offer the better value but that is misunderstood by most punters.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-04, 07:01 PM
Cherry picked example
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-04, 07:09 PM
Exactly, If any punter wants to bet into a pool with a higher takeout rate than one with a lower tax rate, good luck, they will need it.

F4 = Trifecta X modified odds of fourth placegetter, obviously the raw dividend of the F4 will pay more than the trifecta but in the long run it will not pay better value, whilst the take out rate is greater
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-04, 07:20 PM
Wily, try: http://tab.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/516/kw/multileg%20approximates

Cheers,

P2


Thanks p2. I did that but there are no approximates on the margins. Only pick the score for round 5
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2016-Apr-04, 07:44 PM
Exactly, If any punter wants to bet into a pool with a higher takeout rate than one with a lower tax rate, good luck, they will need it.

F4 = Trifecta X modified odds of fourth placegetter, obviously the raw dividend of the F4 will pay more than the trifecta but in the long run it will not pay better value, whilst the take out rate is greater

carefull Bubba you will have the new messiah up in arms

  :lol:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-04, 08:03 PM
New messiah? A few here might make claim to that title.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2016-Apr-04, 08:16 PM
New messiah? A few here might make claim to that title.

 :yes:

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Apr-04, 11:28 PM
Bubba,

Of course you are right in your claim for many instances; the majority in fact.

BUT, and it can be a huge but there are many cases where the first four pays way overs compared to the trifecta.

Bubba there are reasons I don't bet exotics in small pools generally and of course the take out is one of them. However the jackpot calculation method can undo, by a huge margin, the difference in take outs at times eg In South Africa a trifecta paying $1,800.00 can have an associated first four paying $180,000.00 with a 12/1 pop only in fourth spot


A simple example from last Saturday was The Mornington Cup where the trifecta paid $6,550.10 and the 5/1 second favourite, Puccini, runs fourth. The first four dividend was $107,744.00 So Bubba how does the adjusted odds for Puccini first four fair value compare with the actual dividend of $107,744.00? I say there is value there and plenty of it!!!

Fours
ps of course if one chooses to bet in races with little chance of first four value than they are their own worst enemy.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-05, 07:21 AM
Fours, no argument with me about small pools, in any bet type, delivering dividends, that on paper, that look huge. My main concern with small pools is placing a bet into those pools any dividend is subject to the unpredictability of the random walk, where you have no idea on what other punters are placing bets.

It is of interest the gross pool on the Mornington Cup was  $103,439.07, yet the dividend declared was $107.744.00, which of course itself was illusory. With a 20% takeout the net pool was $82,751.25, which means a total of 76 cents was on the winning combination. If by chance, an extra $2.00 was on the winning combination the dividend would have been $ 29,982.00, and when you compare that to the trifecta of $6,550.10 the F4 dividend would be about right.

BTW although dividends increase from placing a simple win bet, to an exacta, to a trifecta, finally to a F4, the deduction rates increase from 14.5% to 20% to 22.5% through each of those bet types, yet punters are still attracted to bigger dividends offered by the exotics. As the CEO of Racing NSW famously once said punters would not know whether the rake was 15% or 25% (do not quote me on those as exact amounts ) when they bet on the TAB.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2016-Apr-05, 07:21 AM

A simple example from last Saturday was The Mornington Cup where the trifecta paid $6,550.10 and the 5/1 second favourite, Puccini, runs fourth. The first four dividend was $107,744.00 So Bubba how does the adjusted odds for Puccini first four fair value compare with the actual dividend of $107,744.00? I say there is value there and plenty of it!!!

Sloppy analysis like the above seems to be a factor in fours' difficulties.

Anyone who can't spot the clear flaws needs to try harder.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: pegasyber on 2016-Apr-05, 07:26 AM
  When responding to Four's post three posts back I did not realise that two posts were slipping in between his and mine. So my post is not in response to Bubba nor JFC's , slipped in posts.

 A somewhat similar event applied to The 2016 Doncaster albeit with a slightly different placing  of No  15 at !00/1, fourth:-
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3   WINX 1.70 1.40  
10   HAPPY CLAPPER    3.10  
11   AZKADELLIA    2.10  
  SCR -
 Sub Fav 3  

QN   3* 10 11.90  
EX   3* 10 13.50  
T2   1, 13, 15* 3, 10, 11 1742.60  
F4   3* 10* 11* 15 5833.00  
 
TF   3* 10* 11 109.70  
A2   3* 10 5.30  
   3* 11 3.10  
   10* 11 13.70  

  Now how could one pick and put No 15 $101 at fourth. WEll it was even better than just that, but it is all up to The TAB  as all information necessary for this derivative is from Free Downloaded TAB Form and Field displays; and there it is in the attached part analysis report, about as clear as mud, and does not look that neat.
   Can't get the computer to automatically draw the circle although it does FIX the centre.  The data set of the circle area has been produced since program was developed some yeras ago and now and again it comes sup with the goods, or at least nominates some of the roughies that one should not discard too readily in any First Four foray.
Attachment now detached as it forms a single line in the analysis data bank.
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'VBFZ2607 SR90204W * F4 SMALL I/CL [   10  8  6  9  10  5 3  4   1  11  4  10  15  2   15 $  13 $ * *  10  11 +PWR  11   3   ].
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Apr-05, 12:41 PM
  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

jfc I tell you what I am quite happy to keep getting fist fours paying in excess of 100 grand and you calling me a mug in response.

It's a very good deal.

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Apr-05, 12:43 PM
Bubba,

I pick and choose where to invest from the total set of races and I have given examples which make your argument for the entrie set invalid in relation to those races.

As in all gambling one has to kno when to hold em and when to walk away.

Fours




Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-05, 01:12 PM
Geelong race one today had 4 runners.Supertab: Trifecta $21.30 : F4 $17.10
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Apr-05, 01:20 PM
Bubba,

My bets in such fields for the first four NIL or evey one of em?

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-05, 02:16 PM
Geelong race one today had 4 runners.Supertab: Trifecta $21.30 : F4 $17.10


Once again, so what
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-05, 02:19 PM
Race 2
Tri                    $593.50
First Four    $1,708.70

3 times more value for me

R1 Ballina
Tri      $293.40
First Four $963.50 :bulb:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-05, 02:21 PM
Country championships on saturday
Tri $419.00
First Four    $5,181.70



Bubbs, care to relay the other divvys from saturday?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-05, 02:50 PM
Race 2
Tri                    $593.50
First Four    $1,708.70

3 times more value for me

R1 Ballina
Tri      $293.40
First Four $963.50 :bulb:

Race 2 4th placegetter 15/1. Ballina 4th placegetter 7/1, that might have something to do with the differential dividends. :beer:

WOD if you cannot see why those dividends are higher, I suggest you do not know what you are betting on.I guess you are taking the the field to come fourth, which is exactly why professionals, over a period of time, will take you to the cleaners.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2016-Apr-05, 02:58 PM
Race 2
Tri                    $593.50
First Four    $1,708.70

3 times more value for me

If you had 3 unique runners for 4th it is fact less value.   :biggrin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-05, 04:10 PM


The end result is that trifectas are now commonly paying more than frst fours



Just to remind you guys as to the original comment that I replied to :bulb:

Trifectas are NOT now commonly paying more than first 4's :bulb: :bulb: :bulb:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-05, 04:21 PM
Nor would you expect a trifecta to pay more than a F4, but as trifectas normally pay less does not mean a F4 is better value, in fact because F4s are subject to a higher takeout rate they are less value.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-05, 04:57 PM
When I bet $5 on a F4 I don't give a flying toss that I am paying another 5 cents in rake when the F4 pays 5, 8, 10 or 30 times more than the tri by simply throwing a few roughies into my flexi

You, you may bet in telephone numbers and maybe a couple of % makes all the diff but not to me. Hence, no value to me
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-05, 05:11 PM
Each to their own, but you might need a little extra luck on your side. :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-05, 05:12 PM
I do need luck, every punter does but 2% extra aint going to change anything mate
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Apr-05, 05:31 PM
Wily,

You have taken my comments out f context with your parsing!

In South Africa first fours have been MORE value than anywhere else due to their first four jackpot calculation method. I have been trying to get through to Philby 42 that somethig is very wrong by pointing out that now tris are coomonly paying more.

Philby42 IF VICTAB is telling its customers they are getting the South African method of jackpot calculation, via the < and > signs, BUt only pays the VICTAB method of jackpot calculation which is dramatically less, that could get you guys into serious trouble for false advertising.

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2016-Apr-05, 06:06 PM
I do need luck, every punter does but 2% extra aint going to change anything mate
Wrong!

When I examined my winning and losing segments I found that the bigger Rakes make a huge sickening difference.

And now I would not touch the higher Raking segments.

A lot of punters have now turned into permanent losers because they have been sucked in by Tabcorp's surreptitious Rake hikes.




Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-05, 06:57 PM
P2 the pick the margins results are still not up on the website 24 hours later. Why would that be
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: pegasyber on 2016-Apr-07, 07:37 AM
 Well now there is the crusade for Peter M:-  "Rounding, Rebates, Rakes".  
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Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Apr-12, 11:51 AM

Thanks p2. I did that but there are no approximates on the margins. Only pick the score for round 5
WoD, have been away on leave.  Let me look in this for you. Cheers, P2
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-12, 04:46 PM
All good now P2
This week was up to date
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2016-Apr-13, 07:14 PM
So I understand the record has been set straight and apologies are in order by those who jumped to conclusions

Perhaps a little investigating is in order for future reference prior to taking drastic action.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-13, 09:34 PM
Has anybody tried to place on line a fixed price bet with TABCORP on remote meetings of harness, racing or dogs ?
If you have, what has been your experience ?
Have been limited in your betting and/or have you been told " we are considering your bet", then offered less odds than those previously offered then your bet cut back or even worse, your potential bet has been timed out whilst they "consider" your bet ?
Whilst nearly all corporates have been bagged for their treatment of punters it appears TABCORP  have escaped that same criticism.

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2016-Apr-21, 01:13 PM
i see on the TAB phone app after the race replays are know visible

 :clap2:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Apr-21, 01:16 PM
Thanks Ratsack, we are making improvements to apps/web all the time.  Enjoy the replays, especially when those where you have jagged one.  Cheers, Phil
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-21, 04:12 PM
Has anybody tried to place on line a fixed price bet with TABCORP on remote meetings of harness, racing or dogs ?
If you have, what has been your experience ?
Have been limited in your betting and/or have you been told " we are considering your bet", then offered less odds than those previously offered then your bet cut back or even worse, your potential bet has been timed out whilst they "consider" your bet ?
Whilst nearly all corporates have been bagged for their treatment of punters it appears TABCORP  have escaped that same criticism.



Obviously nobody has had those experiences. :shy: 
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Apr-21, 04:48 PM
Thanks Ratsack, we are making improvements to apps/web all the time.  Enjoy the replays, especially when those where you have jagged one.  Cheers, Phil

And the web site - fantastic mate. Replays are excellent quality in the form section   emthup
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2016-Apr-21, 05:33 PM


Comingling TAB pools in Victoria and NSW -- have I missed something?

I have noticed that the same 'win' and 'place' dividends are being declared for at least some races at both NSWTAB and VICTAB.


........ are these pools being co-mingled........... but not for exotics where the dividends are different.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2016-Apr-21, 06:58 PM


There may be another worrying development

Racing NSW ponders future of the Form Guide

The Australian Financial Review

The agenda for review includes Racing NSW's media spend – and more specifically, whether there needs to be a rethink of how and where its ...


Access to this story is blocked by a paywall at the AFR -- does anyone know what the key points were?

One concern is about the future of the SMH Friday form guide -- an excellent inclusion in the paper.

I suspect that the TAB sponsorship of this form guide is done in association with RacingNSW.

Recently an apparent surge in dog-in-the-manger attitudes has seen only minimal form shown for Saturday races in Melbourne -- and the substitution of expanded coverage of other NSW race meetings. How silly.

How short sighted can one get -- the nitwits running RVL into the ground will be sent packing shortly and Victorian racing will be restored to an eminent role: meantime it is critical to promote Saturdays in Melbourne to get the TAB take-outs.

Those thinking that the take from 'other' NSW meetings will be better than from Victorian racing have gotta-be-dreamin.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-21, 09:49 PM


Comingling TAB pools in Victoria and NSW -- have I missed something?

I have noticed that the same 'win' and 'place' dividends are being declared for at least some races at both NSWTAB and VICTAB.


........ are these pools being co-mingled........... but not for exotics where the dividends are different.


Do not know what races to which you were referring, but as far as I can see the dividends are different, however on some occasions they will be identical, more by chance than co-mingled pools.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2016-Apr-21, 10:28 PM
The only ones which will be the same are Hong Kong.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Apr-22, 08:18 AM
Do not know what races to which you were referring, but as far as I can see the dividends are different, however on some occasions they will be identical, more by chance than co-mingled pools.

Come on Bubbs, are you suggesting that ole pete is jumping at shadows again or something worse
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2016-Apr-22, 03:08 PM
Dunno what Tabcorp is thinking with its latest change:

A page devoted to the single Jackpot no one is interested in!

Lots of punters do follow Jackpots but Tabcorp still refuses to have a page listing all the Jackpots on one page.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-22, 05:11 PM
The only ones which will be the same are Hong Kong.

Yes, of course they co-mingle HK pools into Supertab & NSW, no doubt because they can then take advantage of the higher takeout rates in HK. :rant:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2016-Apr-22, 06:38 PM
Dunno what Tabcorp is thinking with its latest change:

A page devoted to the single Jackpot no one is interested in!

Lots of punters do follow Jackpots but Tabcorp still refuses to have a page listing all the Jackpots on one page.

JFC
Go to the menu at top left of page.
Click on promotions.
Jackpots are always on the submenu.


Click on "find out more" and you will get a list of all jackpots (across all codes) for the weekend.
Has been that way for a fair while.

I note that for this week there is only one jackpot listed.
If there are other jackpots applicable this weekend but not on the list that might be the change you are referring to.
If so, please accept my apologies for going off half cocked. :shrug:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2016-Apr-22, 06:51 PM
You are correct Lert as far as I can see.

On the Victorian site a number of jackpots are listed but only 1 on NSW.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2016-Apr-22, 06:53 PM
That rigmarole does not tell me and many others what we want to know.

It tells us about some lame BIG6 that no one will touch with the proverbial.

It fails to tell us about the numerous Jackpots in Finland 1 closing soon.

Nor the many Jackpots following.

The old Jackpots page wasn't broken, but Tabcorp fixed it.



Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-23, 10:16 AM
Mate of mine received the email below from Tabcorp. Apparently clause 3(w)(2)of TAB Rewards Program relates to rewards only being available to "recreational punters". My mate is successful, but only has maximum $50 win bets .It poses the question what is the definition of a "recreational punter"?
Me thinks all mugs are "recreational", but anyone who happens to show a profit is not.

Hi XXXXX,

We refer to your TAB Rewards Account Membership and to the TAB Rewards Terms and Conditions ("TAB Rewards T&Cs"). Capitalised terms used in this correspondence have the same meaning given in the TAB Rewards T&Cs unless otherwise specified.

TAB hereby gives notice of its intention to terminate your TAB Rewards Account Membership pursuant to clause 3(w)(2) of the TAB Rewards T&Cs. The termination of your TAB Rewards Account Membership will take effect on XX/ XX / 2016.

You should ensure that you redeem any accrued rewards points that you may have prior to this date as those points will not be available for redemption after this date. As of this date you will no longer be eligible for a TAB Rewards Account Membership.

Yours sincerely,
The TAB Rewards Team



Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2016-Apr-23, 10:52 AM
Well done to the TAB adding replays to the form guide. Outstanding!   emthup
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Apr-23, 11:19 AM
Bubba,

maybe they want to give him 10% like the Z man

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2016-Apr-23, 12:59 PM
Mate of mine received the email below from Tabcorp. Apparently clause 3(w)(2)of TAB Rewards Program relates to rewards only being available to "recreational punters". My mate is successful, but only has maximum $50 win bets .It poses the question what is the definition of a "recreational punter"?
Me thinks all mugs are "recreational", but anyone who happens to show a profit is not.

Hi XXXXX,

We refer to your TAB Rewards Account Membership and to the TAB Rewards Terms and Conditions ("TAB Rewards T&Cs"). Capitalised terms used in this correspondence have the same meaning given in the TAB Rewards T&Cs unless otherwise specified.

TAB hereby gives notice of its intention to terminate your TAB Rewards Account Membership pursuant to clause 3(w)(2) of the TAB Rewards T&Cs. The termination of your TAB Rewards Account Membership will take effect on XX/ XX / 2016.

You should ensure that you redeem any accrued rewards points that you may have prior to this date as those points will not be available for redemption after this date. As of this date you will no longer be eligible for a TAB Rewards Account Membership.

Yours sincerely,
The TAB Rewards Team





If that's true Bubba it's pretty ordinary from the TAB.

I'm not really sure what closing his rewards as opposed to the whole account would do  :shrug:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2016-Apr-23, 01:58 PM
Mate of mine received the email below from Tabcorp. Apparently clause 3(w)(2)of TAB Rewards Program relates to rewards only being available to "recreational punters". My mate is successful, but only has maximum $50 win bets .It poses the question what is the definition of a "recreational punter"?
Me thinks all mugs are "recreational", but anyone who happens to show a profit is not.

Hi XXXXX,

We refer to your TAB Rewards Account Membership and to the TAB Rewards Terms and Conditions ("TAB Rewards T&Cs"). Capitalised terms used in this correspondence have the same meaning given in the TAB Rewards T&Cs unless otherwise specified.

TAB hereby gives notice of its intention to terminate your TAB Rewards Account Membership pursuant to clause 3(w)(2) of the TAB Rewards T&Cs. The termination of your TAB Rewards Account Membership will take effect on XX/ XX / 2016.

You should ensure that you redeem any accrued rewards points that you may have prior to this date as those points will not be available for redemption after this date. As of this date you will no longer be eligible for a TAB Rewards Account Membership.

Yours sincerely,
The TAB Rewards Team





I don't believe a word of this Bubba.

I reckon you're pulling our legs.

The clue came in the very first sentence.

"Mate of mine"  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

I don't reckon you have a mate.




Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-23, 03:11 PM
  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

My mate only bets on Fixed odds with TAB, not into pari mutuel pools, that might explain why his Rewards were given the flick.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2016-Apr-23, 06:02 PM
     
    Shame on you Tabcorp / Sky. Your treatment of today's Stakes races from Adelaide was pathetic.
    Just watched The Redelva Stakes given the same status as a benchmark 64 from Albany and a provincial greyhound race.
    You have created a nightmare for everyone.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-24, 01:48 PM
Apparently TABCORP are doing a clean out of their Rewards Program, now a further two people of my acquaintance, neither of whom are big punters, have been told they will no longer participate in the Rewards Program. If that is the case, surely the rebates given to high turnover punters should be scrubbed, especially those located on the Isle of Man.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-Apr-24, 02:02 PM
Hmmmm,

South African first four pools have dropped by 20g minimum per race since just before easter..... Might be related to this change..

Fours
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Arsenal on 2016-Apr-25, 06:59 AM
UBET’s fixed odds freeze targets professionals but angers racegoers
April 23, 2016 6:48pm
Nathan ExelbyThe Sunday Mail (Qld)

UBET’s Brad Tamer admitted some punters will be inconvenienced by the blackouts.


PUNTERS are crying foul, while wagering provider UBET claims it is merely trying to meet its obligations to the industry and shareholders in the wake of a fixed odds row that has erupted.


Punters have complained in recent times that UBET has switched off its fixed odds product in certain venues.

The situation occurred at the Albion Park harness meeting on Friday, where fixed odds on all races was unavailable to patrons for a number of hours.

Robert Davies was among the punters at Albion Park on Friday and claimed he and others in his group were told to walk across the road to the Breakfast Creek Hotel to place a fixed odds bet.

“I will never go back to the trots again,” Davies said. “As soon as the last gallop race was over, the (attendant) said fixed odds is back on. It’s disgraceful what went on. There’s no incentive to go to a racetrack.”

It is understood turnover at Albion Park through the week skyrocketed on normal levels and by Friday, UBET had made the call to ‘‘switch off’’ its fixed odds betting.

UBET alleges there has been a group of 10-15 punters placing fixed odds bets simultaneously on the same horse at TAB venues on behalf of professional interstate punters.

“They are all part of the same group,” UBET spokesman Brad Tamer said. “We are happy to take people’s bets, but we have to manage expectations of returns to the racing industry.


“We are happy to deal with these people one-on-one, but it makes it hard to make a book when you have a team of people backing the same horse at exactly the same time.

“Enough is enough. You can’t get this (money) on anywhere else. We have to protect everyone involved. If the guys want to come to us legitimately, then we are happy to deal with them.”

Tamer said UBET had reviewed its risk management tools and there will be changes made to the current system. “We … are happy for people to get on, but not 10 to 15 fold,” he said.

Tamer admitted there would be some punters inconvenienced by the blackouts but said punters with an online account can bet at any time.

“We want to service people who want to bet,” Tamer said.

It is understood the situation is not one isolated to UBET. For some time, corporate bookmakers have been known to limit certain clients.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2016-Apr-25, 07:11 AM

It is understood turnover at Albion Park through the week skyrocketed on normal levels and by Friday, UBET had made the call to ‘‘switch off’’ its fixed odds betting.

UBET alleges there has been a group of 10-15 punters placing fixed odds bets simultaneously on the same horse at TAB venues on behalf of professional interstate punters.

“They are all part of the same group,” UBET spokesman Brad Tamer said.


Gee.

Wonder who's behind this?

Perhaps some more of Bubba's mates who migrated to sunnier climes?

Moreover what turkeys designed a betting system that can't cope with "simultaneous" identical bets!
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Arsenal on 2016-Apr-25, 07:38 AM
On Friday the day the AP fixed odds tote was turned off the races were at Townsville ..Lismore ..Colac ..Canberra & Cranbourne. :what:

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-25, 09:33 AM
Gee.

Wonder who's behind this?

Perhaps some more of Bubba's mates who migrated to sunnier climes?

Moreover what turkeys designed a betting system that can't cope with "simultaneous" identical bets!

None of my mates involved there, they still reside in the sports capital of Australia. :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2016-Apr-26, 10:42 AM
Philby,

Can you find out if there is a reason for the replays for
Horse racingFR25 Apr 2016 00:40Le Lion D'Angers (LLD)Race 1
is not working. None of the races from that meeting are working. As far as I can tell every other replay is working including other meetings from France.

Thanks
Matt

Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-26, 04:16 PM
UBET’s fixed odds freeze targets professionals but angers racegoers
April 23, 2016 6:48pm
Nathan ExelbyThe Sunday Mail (Qld)

UBET’s Brad Tamer admitted some punters will be inconvenienced by the blackouts.


PUNTERS are crying foul, while wagering provider UBET claims it is merely trying to meet its obligations to the industry and shareholders in the wake of a fixed odds row that has erupted.


Punters have complained in recent times that UBET has switched off its fixed odds product in certain venues.

The situation occurred at the Albion Park harness meeting on Friday, where fixed odds on all races was unavailable to patrons for a number of hours.

Robert Davies was among the punters at Albion Park on Friday and claimed he and others in his group were told to walk across the road to the Breakfast Creek Hotel to place a fixed odds bet.

“I will never go back to the trots again,” Davies said. “As soon as the last gallop race was over, the (attendant) said fixed odds is back on. It’s disgraceful what went on. There’s no incentive to go to a racetrack.”

It is understood turnover at Albion Park through the week skyrocketed on normal levels and by Friday, UBET had made the call to ‘‘switch off’’ its fixed odds betting.

UBET alleges there has been a group of 10-15 punters placing fixed odds bets simultaneously on the same horse at TAB venues on behalf of professional interstate punters.

“They are all part of the same group,” UBET spokesman Brad Tamer said. “We are happy to take people’s bets, but we have to manage expectations of returns to the racing industry.


“We are happy to deal with these people one-on-one, but it makes it hard to make a book when you have a team of people backing the same horse at exactly the same time.

“Enough is enough. You can’t get this (money) on anywhere else. We have to protect everyone involved. If the guys want to come to us legitimately, then we are happy to deal with them.”

Tamer said UBET had reviewed its risk management tools and there will be changes made to the current system. “We … are happy for people to get on, but not 10 to 15 fold,” he said.

Tamer admitted there would be some punters inconvenienced by the blackouts but said punters with an online account can bet at any time.

“We want to service people who want to bet,” Tamer said.

It is understood the situation is not one isolated to UBET. For some time, corporate bookmakers have been known to limit certain clients.

Giddy Up :beer:


If punters can't get on fixed odds on course, and have to leave the track to bet, then the racing industry in the Tatts states is in a precarious position. If UBet are getting beaten on Stradbroke Day, do they close down fixed odds on course? Same goes for Goodwood Handicap Day in Adelaide. The racing authorities have allowed the corporatised TABs too much power. It will end up hurting the racing clubs' bottom line.


Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arthur on 2016-Apr-27, 11:47 AM
It will end up hurting the racing clubs' bottom line.
. . above quote is Arsenal



Already has . .

  Clubs like MKY are being compensated by QR for their loss of 'hospitality revenue' by virtue of accepting 'terrible Tuesdays' and basically no Saturdays . . does wonders for on-track crowds



Fixed odds for RTON, MKY, TVILL are 'up' 2 days before raceday and anyone with an opinion, and an idea of value has no need to go trackside . . and they don't


PS . . most don't go to UBEAUT, our benefactors, either . . . they post their odds on race day morn  :confused1:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arthur on 2016-Apr-29, 06:25 PM
“We want to service people who want to bet,” Tamer said.


UBEAUT not going to get caught with their pants down at MKY tomorrow . .

Not only are there no fixed odds up (par for the course) . .

But they don't even have their pari-mutuel showing . .


 :chin:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2016-Apr-29, 07:55 PM
Hey guys, this thread is for TAB (ie Tabcorp) related issues and discussion.
There is a separate thread titled Tatts/Ubet related issues and discussion which is where the recent posts belong.
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-29, 08:02 PM
Lert, is that not splitting hairs ? This thread is titled  TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!..No particular TAB IMO!!!
Where ever I have traveled Australia punters refer to the TAB, not the company who runs their TAB. I know they are different entities, but issues in discussion could be equally applicable to TABCORP Ubet or TabTouch (WA).  

BTW where is the thread relating to Tatts/ Ubet, I cannot find it?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arthur on 2016-Apr-29, 08:11 PM
Feel free to send my 'nitpicking' to where it will do the most good least harm




But while I am here . . they don't have Perth up either  :huh:



And . . Posts about UBEAUT's shortcomings might even provide 'Philby' with a little something to smile about as he sorts out his own problems


I certainly don't want to upset our 'be nice' policy  :bop:


Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2016-Apr-29, 08:16 PM
Bubba, this thread has always been specifically about Tabcorp.
That is why the Tatt's/Ubet thread was opened to deal with issues relating to that organisation.
If the issues raised had been applicable to all TAB or totalisator type operations I would not have bothered mentioning it.
But if we have a current operating thread specifically dedicated to UBET issues, why insist on posting them on the dedicated Tabcorp issues thread?
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Lert on 2016-Apr-29, 08:22 PM

BTW where is the thread relating to Tatts/ Ubet, I cannot find it?

Mate, its under Racing Talk.

If you do a quick search on UBET only 2 threads come up.
The first one is titled "Tatt's/UBET Related Issues and Discussion"

Just trying to be helpful and minimise confusion in discussions about the two operations.
Not trying to make a big deal over it. :beer:
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Apr-29, 08:41 PM
Lert, the following was posted on this thread in November 2014 by Arsenal..I have edited I lot out but clearly since the thread started it has been about both Tatts & Tabcorp

"Tattsbet.....Tatts... UNiTAB..Tote customers are in for a treat .......a real focus on customers according to CEO Robbie Cooke......how is this to be achieved ..Hah they're rebadging dropping all the old names for UBET Hooray ......two articles in the CM today so it must be worth waiting for ...no more money back dividends ...punters to get the benefit of fractions ..all up place fixed odds available ..real competition with online bookies ...that'll be the day.Giddy Up

Will post the stories from the CM later unless dubbles beats me to it. Giddy Up beer

Tatts has punt on a name, you bet One brand nationwide From page 63 THE operator of TAB and TattsBet is heading off increasingly hostile international competition with a new brand name and simplified online betting.


Brisbane-based Tatts Group, the operator of the TAB in four states and territories, will rebadge its wagering division under the name UBET from early next year.

The new name will be rolled out in conjunction with renovated retail outlets and a new website.

Tatts’ earnings are being hit by foreign-owned online operators such as British-owned Sportingbet and Bet365 and Irish-owned Sportsbet.



Tatts was formed through the merger of different wagering operators, including TAB in Queensland and Victorianbased Tattersalls.

Mr Cooke conceded Tatts had fallen behind in internet betting in the face of stiffer competition from purely online operators, which have the financial support of their foreign-owned parent companies.


.........

Racing scribe Nathan Exelby adds some words of elaboration towards the back of the CM but apart from revealing the name UBet came out of an in house competition and that all staff are excited and there'll be a focus on customers Robbie wants to achieve a 7% increase there's nothing about any improved product ...which even Robbie should know is what's wanted. Giddy Up. beer
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: pegasyber on 2016-Apr-30, 07:36 AM
  The TABs and computerised professionals put paid to most of the on-course bookies, ( even though that same crowd said they would kill off the TABs, and always tried to denigrate the TABS as just being there for the five bob old ladies having a bet while darning socks); and yet there they still are and will eventually see off the internationals, as well.

  But it will need some will power on the part of the TABs to ensure they treat all customers equally.

  It is all about Rounding, Rebates** / kickbacks and Rakes.  Hope they rectify  before the TABs go the Way of the Video Stores, by default.

  ** Rebates:-  as an interesting exercise do a comparison on the handling of  Rounding. Take a look at a winning bet of let us say $1.99 as calculated win for a $1 bet;   and then compare it to what happens with the purchase of one kilo of sugar at $1.99.  Does not really matter that much for a single unit, but then compare it to what happens if a punter has $1000 or  $10,000 on a winning $1.99 bet; and  then compare it to the purchase of 1000 1kg bags of sugar. Makes quite a difference.  

 
Title: TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Apr-30, 10:33 AM
Bubba, this thread has always been specifically about Tabcorp.
That is why the Tatt's/Ubet thread was opened to deal with issues relating to that organisation.
If the issues raised had been applicable to all TAB or totalisator type operations I would not have bothered mentioning it.
But if we have a current operating thread specifically dedicated to UBET issues, why insist on posting them on the dedicated Tabcorp issues thread?

Guys Lert is correct. In the OP it quite clearly states this thread is for tab.com.au issues. The point about the title is valid - I will fix that up.

This thread was opened for UBET/Tatts:

http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/racing-talk/tattsubet-related-issues-and-discussion/

So any discussions about the fixed odds issue with UBET should be posted there. It is an important racing/wagering related issue so discussion is encouraged.

Cheers.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-May-21, 08:30 AM
Tab.com.au not showing any form
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2016-May-21, 09:43 AM
Wily,

WA TAB has their form up despite waking up hours behind the other two... Lets hope it's the WATAB that does the taking over.....

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Antitab# on 2016-May-21, 02:06 PM
 http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/parramatta-star-kieran-foran-linked-to-huge-tab-account-gambling-losses/news-story/4255b962132f666625a3b1860fe36f3c

Absolute disgrace from the TAB that this detail is in the public domain. Who ever leaked it should be sacked and charged with breach of privacy.

Even grubbier performance from a shit journalist to publish it. The bloke has gone through an episode of depression in the last month , doubt a public shaming and embarrassment will do much for his mental health.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2016-May-21, 02:51 PM
http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/parramatta-star-kieran-foran-linked-to-huge-tab-account-gambling-losses/news-story/4255b962132f666625a3b1860fe36f3c

Absolute disgrace from the TAB that this detail is in the public domain. Who ever leaked it should be sacked and charged with breach of privacy.

Even grubbier performance from a shit journalist to publish it. The bloke has gone through an episode of depression in the last month , doubt a public shaming and embarrassment will do much for his mental health.

Yoy are correct its a disgrace that this was leaked to the public.

If gambling was the root of his evils hopefully he gets it sorted.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2016-May-21, 03:20 PM
Very shoddy report.

Fails to mention:

Which TAB took the bets.

Whether the bets were Tote or Fixed.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2016-May-21, 04:07 PM
The silence from Tabcorp about the breach so far today is astonishing.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2016-May-21, 05:25 PM
http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/parramatta-star-kieran-foran-linked-to-huge-tab-account-gambling-losses/news-story/4255b962132f666625a3b1860fe36f3c

Absolute disgrace from the TAB that this detail is in the public domain. Who ever leaked it should be sacked and charged with breach of privacy.

Even grubbier performance from a shit journalist to publish it. The bloke has gone through an episode of depression in the last month , doubt a public shaming and embarrassment will do much for his mental health.

My thoughts exactly, firstly I though how the f*$k does something like this get out and it just proves what a low rag the Telegraph is by reporting it  emthdown

We only need now is that smiling scumbag Josh Masood to do a cross from in front of the Leagues club gloating over it  :thumbsd:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-May-21, 05:42 PM
Absolute disgrace that it's been published but Foran obviously has massive issues. Not the first highly paid sportsman with too much cash and no idea about the punt
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2016-May-21, 05:59 PM
It's Rebecca Wilson's job to publish such newsworthy material.

It might be better for the guy that this came out, if this stops him blowing more.

It's part of Tabcorp's job to abide by privacy obligations.

From personal disclosed experience with the V'landys defamation fiasco against me, not to mention what other brown paper bag fuelled atrocities the Tote employees have inflicted on me, observing privacy provisions is not Tabcorp's strong suit.
 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2016-May-21, 07:22 PM
But is it newsworthy? I'd say not.

Anyway the name Rebecca Wilson says it all really  :shutup:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2016-May-21, 07:42 PM
But is it newsworthy? I'd say not.

Anyway the name Rebecca Wilson says it all really  :shutup:
Publish first.

Ask questions after.

But it should be of public interest that sports people who are constantly used as models for kids  to aspire to, happen to have serious issues that, in earlier days, were swept under the carpet.

If you stop covering this cloaca up, then maybe it can get fixed.



Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2016-May-21, 09:07 PM
Comment from RLPA

"We have been informed there are factual inaccuracies in the story and we understand these matters, together with any breaches of privacy and confidentiality, are being pursued legally by Kieran's management, SFX Sports," the statement read.

"It is disturbing that a story of this nature has been published by News Limited when it is public knowledge that Kieran is currently dealing with complex personal matters."
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-May-21, 10:45 PM
http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/parramatta-star-kieran-foran-linked-to-huge-tab-account-gambling-losses/news-story/4255b962132f666625a3b1860fe36f3c

Absolute disgrace from the TAB that this detail is in the public domain. Who ever leaked it should be sacked and charged with breach of privacy.

Even grubbier performance from a shit journalist to publish it. The bloke has gone through an episode of depression in the last month , doubt a public shaming and embarrassment will do much for his mental health.

Can't argue with that.

What you will never get News Ltd. to admit to is that they would have paid for the information.

It goes back to the Consumer and Competition Act 2010 introduced by Senator Stephen Conroy just after he returned from Kerry Stokes' ski chalet at Beaver Creek.

He effectively created a new class of citizen, "the journalist", who can write what they please as long as they are doing it in the public interest. And let's not forget they are "self regulated".

That is why someone can see a drunk Mitchell Pearce on a night out on the town, entice him back to their place and while one of them hides in the cupboard filming it the others do their best to make the video controversial - including false claims of him pissing on the lounge. For that they got $250,000 (if the rumours are true).

Ironically, one of the fiercest public supporters of Pearce was Foran.

People with access to private information are finding a path to riches via the corrupt media organizations like News Ltd.

Conroy has created a monster that is not going to go away. Get used to this sort of thing.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-May-22, 09:19 AM
Why aren't the Beaumont replays available on the form?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2016-May-24, 09:57 PM
The form guide these days is bordering on outstanding.   emthup
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-May-25, 08:26 AM
The form guide these days is bordering on outstanding.   emthup

Do the replays work for you?

If I open a horses form up and click on a video replay of it's last run, nothing happens.
I have to click on the audio first and then click on the video to make it work.
Seems rather odd to me
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-May-25, 08:54 AM
Do the replays work for you?

If I open a horses form up and click on a video replay of it's last run, nothing happens.
I have to click on the audio first and then click on the video to make it work.
Seems rather odd to me

I'm with Auth. Works great for me as well mate. In HD as well.

Have you tried a different browser? Must be something on your end.

(http://s33.postimg.org/5rwb3o0wr/hdracing.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5rwb3o0wr/)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-May-25, 05:26 PM

Do the replays work for you?

If I open a horses form up and click on a video replay of it's last run, nothing happens.
I have to click on the audio first and then click on the video to make it work.
Seems rather odd to me


Thanks mate, Mozilla doesn't work but the other do :beer:




Why aren't the Beaumont replays available on the form?

No videos for Townsville races tomorrow
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: balu_1983 on 2016-Jun-07, 02:29 PM
Anyone having issues with the API today?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Jun-07, 02:50 PM
Anyone having issues with the API today?

only used it a couple of times balu and has been OK for me.

Like all wagering apps it is very sensitive to network problems so if your data connection is dropping in and out you might experience problems.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Jun-07, 02:58 PM
I want to lobby for the re-introduction on partial payouts in the event of a protest.

Not sure why they stopped these.

I was at the Port RSL on Sunday evening and the few of us in there all backed the last favourite at Port Augusta Devon which saluted and paid $3.60. Bolted in.

Race started on time at 5.00 p.m. After about 10 minutes we realized that the correct weight hadn't been signalled. No announcement on Sky either.

At 5.17 p.m. the teletext screen showed protest 4th against 3rd ($41 shot protesting against $26 shot). Correct weight wasn't declared until 5.45 p.m.

Apart from the unacceptable wait, there were no announcements on Sky 1 which broadcast the race.

In this day and age where the TABs are competing with corporates they are going to lose out if they don't bring back in partial payouts.

In that example clearly the winner and 2nd horse should have been paid.

Not sure what the rationale was that stopped partial payouts but they need the flexibility to make an informed decision to make a partial payout as in that example.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jfc on 2016-Jun-07, 04:07 PM
Anyone having issues with the API today?
If you mean Tab Studio, that seems to be working fine.

This morning the Tabcorp Premium service locked me out for around 2 hours.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jun-13, 10:23 AM
tab.com.au not working again
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Jun-13, 10:29 AM
Working for me ok


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jun-14, 04:45 PM
Just tried looking at video form for the kings stand at ascot on the app
The videos for meccas angel and jungle cat's last runs are not for those horses at all


Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2016-Jun-18, 06:25 PM
Is tab.com.au betting on Muswellbrook tomorrow, not listed on the website.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Jun-18, 06:32 PM
Westie, We are covering Muswellbrook tomorrow.  It is just not being pre-sold. Cheers, Philby


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2016-Jun-18, 07:35 PM
Thanks  8-)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jun-19, 08:51 AM
Philby, any thoughts on the other issues raised?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Jun-19, 09:08 AM
Wily, I missed the opportunity at the time to raise it.  If pointed out to me again in future I will jump on it and take a look. Cheers, Philby


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Jun-19, 10:27 AM
Why aren't the Beaumont replays available on the form?

Philby
Trying to do some form for Port Mac but the above issue still arises
Is there some contractual situation rhat denies TAB from show Newcastle replays in the form?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Jun-19, 10:37 AM
Philby
Trying to do some form for Port Mac but the above issue still arises
Is there some contractual situation rhat denies TAB from show Newcastle replays in the form?

Someone changed the venue code to BEAN from something else and the problem started at around the same time - I remember that because I was thinking where in the hell is BEAN? It is not even like Beaumont. Someone trying to be funny. Has a humurous half life of about 10 seconds  >:(

I'll betchya that has something to do with it.  :bulb:

People shouldn't fiddle. If it aint broke, don't fix it.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Aug-28, 10:31 AM
Is Philby still around here?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Aug-28, 10:39 AM
Yes Wily
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Aug-28, 10:56 AM
Thanks mate. I've rung the tab and got no where with what I asked

Can you tell me why I can't get BEAN (Newcastle) replays in the form on my tab app or the web site?
They are available if I go to sky racing but to have to constantly jump between 2 sites is crazy
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Sep-11, 07:02 PM
Wily, I relayed this issue to tech teams a couple of weeks ago.  I will follow up this week when back in the office to see if/when to be resolved. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Sep-12, 10:45 AM
Thanks mate but nothings changed.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Sep-12, 12:06 PM
Thanks Wily, took a look at Taree and problem still occurring.  Following up with technical team now. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Sep-13, 12:28 PM
Wily, should be resolved now.  I checked tab.com.au for r1 #1 at Bathurst today and was able to recall the replay from venue = BEAN. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Sep-13, 01:56 PM
Thanks philby

One more thing 2 throw at you.
Got an update in my phone app and now i can't log in without having my locations settins on my phone turned on
Its a work phone and i dont want to use my location settings
Ive never had to do this in the past
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Sep-13, 04:05 PM
Gday Wily, what sort of brand/type you using? Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2016-Sep-13, 06:09 PM
OK Something that occurred the other day annoyed me.

I whacked a dog with all I had left in my account. So had a balance of under $1.

Dog won money in account on the statement section but balance on the screen will stay on the under $1 balance unless you refresh it.

What happens then when trying to put on the next bet without refreshing the account section is it doesn't recognise the actual balance of the account.

It says you need to deposit money and you have to go refresh the balance section to actually get the bet on. A bit annoying if your trying to get on at the last 10 or so seconds before a race(a necessity at the dogs if you bet anything bigger than $50). Has cost me getting on a few times in the last week or so.

Would be interested if anyone else has had this issue. (am using chrome),
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Sep-13, 06:14 PM
Gday Wily, what sort of brand/type you using? Cheers, Philby


Samsung  Galaxy S7
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2016-Sep-13, 11:26 PM
OK Something that occurred the other day annoyed me.

I whacked a dog with all I had left in my account. So had a balance of under $1.

Dog won money in account on the statement section but balance on the screen will stay on the under $1 balance unless you refresh it.

What happens then when trying to put on the next bet without refreshing the account section is it doesn't recognise the actual balance of the account.

It says you need to deposit money and you have to go refresh the balance section to actually get the bet on. A bit annoying if your trying to get on at the last 10 or so seconds before a race(a necessity at the dogs if you bet anything bigger than $50). Has cost me getting on a few times in the last week or so.

Would be interested if anyone else has had this issue. (am using chrome),
Yes, I have to go into Menu / My Account and click on Balance to update.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Sep-14, 09:12 AM
OK Something that occurred the other day annoyed me.

I whacked a dog with all I had left in my account. So had a balance of under $1.

Dog won money in account on the statement section but balance on the screen will stay on the under $1 balance unless you refresh it.

What happens then when trying to put on the next bet without refreshing the account section is it doesn't recognise the actual balance of the account.

It says you need to deposit money and you have to go refresh the balance section to actually get the bet on. A bit annoying if your trying to get on at the last 10 or so seconds before a race(a necessity at the dogs if you bet anything bigger than $50). Has cost me getting on a few times in the last week or so.

Would be interested if anyone else has had this issue. (am using chrome),

Thanks Ara, in the immortal words of Steve Bracks, former premier of Vic aka 'the mirror', we are looking into it.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Sep-14, 09:17 AM
Thanks philby

One more thing 2 throw at you.
Got an update in my phone app and now i can't log in without having my locations settins on my phone turned on
Its a work phone and i dont want to use my location settings
Ive never had to do this in the past
Gday Wily, Recent policy changes now require customers to have Locations services on as a prerequisite to logging in to the Android tab app.  If you would like to continue betting but with Locations Services toggled off, can I suggest you direct the browser on your phone (eg Chrome) to tab.com.au and log in from there. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Sep-14, 01:43 PM
Ara, we couldn't replicate what you described.  Is there any more information that you have that might make it easier for us to pin point the problem and other facts that might help e.g. URL used, are you on tab.com.au for example? and other thngs that might help.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2016-Sep-14, 06:25 PM
Hey Philby,

tab.com.au website.

Version 53.0.2785.113 of chrome on PC.

I normally have a 2nd chrome tab open with the following url 

https://www.tab.com.au/accounts/statement

to monitor bets, payments and balance.


Essentially Philby in the past before the last week or two, after you had a bet and your display balance on the main page of the tab.com.au website was $0.33 as an example.

If the bet won and you know you had say $110.33 in there you could place any bet up to $110 and it would go through no issue. Even though the on screen balance on the main tab page was $0.33.

This now does not happen. If you try to put any bet on while the $0.33 balance is on screen is asks for a deposit no matter what is actually in your account (I haven't noticed this occur if say the balance was $10 on screen, but say $60 was you real balance after a collect went through whether you can put on a bet greater than $10. I may try and attempt to see if this is the case as well)

As westie said what is required now is you need to then open the menu section, go to my account and refresh the balance so it changes on the main page in the top right hand corner.

If you do that the same bet then can be successfully submitted even though the real balance never actually changes. Just what is shown on the screen.

For me the only time top right hand on screen balance has ever updated under this current tab configuration is after a bet is placed, a full screen refresh or after manual refresh in the my account section (not sure is this can be changed to automatically refresh or not)

Cheers
Ara

PS. I did have a Java update sitting there so have done that and see if any difference is made by that.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2016-Sep-17, 12:17 PM
So anyone who else cant see todays bets in their statement section?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Sep-17, 12:48 PM
So anyone who else cant see todays bets in their statement section?
Thanks Ara, technical teams are working on it.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2016-Nov-04, 12:13 PM
There is no doubt the TAB is geared much more in taking your money than giving it back.

Wanted to withdraw $3.5k cash( thanks Almandin) from the local pub tab, where most Saturdays I'm usually depositing.
It was later on Mel. cup day, when I thought they would be cashed up.
However was told because of a couple of large payouts I could only have $2k.
Fair enough I thought.

Yesterday after a nice collect from Tavi Bay went back again and once more asked to withdraw $ 3.5k.
This time was told I could only have $1k.
 
My question is what is the arrangements between the Tab and these hotels?
$3.5k is hardly a king's ransom these days.


Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Nov-04, 12:21 PM
There is no doubt the TAB is geared much more in taking your money than giving it back.

Wanted to withdraw $3.5k cash( thanks Almandin) from the local pub tab, where most Saturdays I'm usually depositing.
It was later on Mel. cup day, when I thought they would be cashed up.
However was told because of a couple of large payouts I could only have $2k.
Fair enough I thought.

Yesterday after a nice collect from Tavi Bay went back again and once more asked to withdraw $ 3.5k.
This time was told I could only have $1k.
 
My question is what is the arrangements between the Tab and these hotels?
$3.5k is hardly a king's ransom these days.
Thanks Nemesis, I do my best to comment on Tab matters where I can.  When it comes to cash management, these are matters that it is not sensible for me to comment on because of the risks associated with cash.  The risk measures applied around cash management are rarely made public by any organisation, suffice to say we treat the risks very seriously.  Not knowing the specifics of your situation, a voucher might be a useful alternative as well that you might consider in future.  If taking a voucher I would recommend getting the agent to put a pin on it.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2016-Nov-04, 04:54 PM
Thanks Nemesis, I do my best to comment on Tab matters where I can.  When it comes to cash management, these are matters that it is not sensible for me to comment on because of the risks associated with cash.  The risk measures applied around cash management are rarely made public by any organisation, suffice to say we treat the risks very seriously.  Not knowing the specifics of your situation, a voucher might be a useful alternative as well that you might consider in future.  If taking a voucher I would recommend getting the agent to put a pin on it.  Cheers, Philby
Thanks for the response Philby
The security issue around cash would be relevant for any business.
The annoying thing for me is I rock up with my cash most weeks and I don't think $3.5k is a large amount these days.
 I'm sure they wouldn't refuse a similar size deposit.

 I presume the vouchers are for betting purposes which doesn't interest me.
 Transferred the winnings into the bank, probably the best option.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2016-Nov-04, 05:25 PM
Are we talking about Bullabakanka or a Capital city metros outlet?

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2016-Nov-04, 05:58 PM
Are we talking about Bullabakanka or a Capital city metros outlet?
Probably in between.

Looks well enough patronised to me.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2016-Nov-04, 09:08 PM
I think the best advice I can give is to open an account
Get them to give you $1000 cash, transfer the rest to your Tab account and then transfer to your bank account
In my experience 3 days  :beer:


 :beer:.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2016-Nov-05, 08:55 AM
Not unlike the money Tabcorp holds in telephone accounts, which is invested on short term money market, until it is withdrawn.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Nov-05, 05:41 PM
Philby

Replays are not appearing on the app for Ascot races. Its been the case for some time now
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: chalky on 2016-Nov-05, 06:54 PM
Not unlike the money Tabcorp holds in telephone accounts, which is invested on short term money market, until it is withdrawn.

Really?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Nov-05, 09:00 PM
Philby

Replays are not appearing on the app for Ascot races. Its been the case for some time now

Wily, try it now. Should be resolved. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Nov-26, 11:42 AM
Hey Philby you are really going to have to educate your marketing people mate who are allowed to write up the promos   :lol:


(https://s3.postimg.org/m799ha88v/tab_promo_error.png) (https://postimg.org/image/m799ha88v/)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2016-Nov-26, 12:45 PM
PP
Experience tells me that those in marketing usually know sweet F.A. About the industry they work in
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2016-Nov-26, 01:24 PM
Hey Philby you are really going to have to educate your marketing people mate who are allowed to write up the promos   :lol:


(https://s3.postimg.org/m799ha88v/tab_promo_error.png) (https://postimg.org/image/m799ha88v/)


Harry Kane doesn't have an i in his name either.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Nov-27, 09:38 AM
Guys, we are currently experiencing issues with exotic bet types on the apps/web.  Should you need to place an exotic I would encourage you to use our touchtone offering on X132698.
Regards,
P2


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Nov-27, 10:22 AM
All fixed now


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Dec-17, 12:19 PM
Where do I find the meeting codes on the tab.com.au web site?

I want to have some quaddies today at Colac via batch betting and dammed if I can find the meeting code list  :what:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Dec-17, 12:26 PM
Colac = TH.

Tried having a small fixed odds bet and looking at the statement - that failed.

Had a small quaddie and the code is listed in the statement - that is how I worked out it was TH - hopefully there is a better way?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Dec-17, 02:02 PM
Try
Form.tab.com.au
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2016-Dec-17, 03:59 PM
Try
Form.tab.com.au

Interesting site mate - didn't know it existed.

Was full of blank pages when I opened it up with Chrome but all was there, including the codes, when using IE11

Cheers.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2016-Dec-21, 11:56 AM
Hello, as many of you know we are continually rolling out new features with our tab.com.au apps.  In fact they are so regular now that I rarely comment.  That being said I wanted to highlight our latest app innovation 'Check and Collect'.  In effect it enables you (via the Apple or Android app) to scan your cash ticket to see if it is a winner.  If you have an account you can then go a step further and deposit your winnings directly into your account. More details he https://www.tab.com.au/promotion/check-and-collect

Cheers,
Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: jimbler on 2017-Jan-01, 07:47 AM
I stumbled across this thread on another forum...

Quote
Somebody Stole my Tab Voucher for $7000

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2594509

I must have been living under a rock because I've never even heard of a TAB voucher before.  Is it a common thing?  The OP in that thread is listed as being from QLD, but I thought it must have been a Southern thing because I've never heard of it up here before? 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2017-Jan-01, 08:25 AM
Its just the balance voucher from an Electronic Betting Terminal.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jan-01, 10:16 AM
I stumbled across this thread on another forum...

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2594509

I must have been living under a rock because I've never even heard of a TAB voucher before.  Is it a common thing?  The OP in that thread is listed as being from QLD, but I thought it must have been a Southern thing because I've never heard of it up here before?

Stole maybe a strong word  :chin:

If you are not used to EBT's in pubs and clubs it would be a common occurrence, people either forget to wait and pick up their voucher or walk away having credit still in the machine. The next bloke scans on and the credit goes onto his.

I've seen a couple of mates lose a few hundred doing exactly that (which we still rib them about) and we've been the beneficiaries as well, totally unaware only to look at the voucher it see it had about $150 extra on it and none the wiser who's it was  :shy:

If you check your ticket and voucher then you won't have an issue. 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jan-01, 10:18 AM
Hello, as many of you know we are continually rolling out new features with our tab.com.au apps.  In fact they are so regular now that I rarely comment.  That being said I wanted to highlight our latest app innovation 'Check and Collect'.  In effect it enables you (via the Apple or Android app) to scan your cash ticket to see if it is a winner.  If you have an account you can then go a step further and deposit your winnings directly into your account. More details he https://www.tab.com.au/promotion/check-and-collect

Cheers,
Philby

Very rarely would I use it Philby as I normally am putting bets on through my accounts but saw this the other day when out and tried it, pretty good feature imho   emthup
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jan-01, 05:50 PM
Just found a ticket I had kicking around for $0.81  :shy: scanned and deposited to my account in less than 30 seconds, easy  8-)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jan-01, 08:54 PM
I stumbled across this thread on another forum...

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2594509

I must have been living under a rock because I've never even heard of a TAB voucher before.  Is it a common thing?  The OP in that thread is listed as being from QLD, but I thought it must have been a Southern thing because I've never heard of it up here before?

Note the moderator closing the thread with the comments:

Nothing to do with "On the web".

Thread closed.

FFS that site is run by a bunch of "nanny state"  :censored: s.

I remember placing a keno ticket in a club a couple of years ago on a similar type of terminal. Put $20 in the terminal and placed a $10 bet. Went to collect the leftovers and it gave me a ticket for $25. Obviously someone in front of me had left $15 credit.

It is not an implausible scenario but the $7,000 is questionable. I thought you couldn't collect amounts over $5k in cash - you have to take a cheque for the balance over the $5k? I wish I could be entirely sure of that but alas I have not had the personal experience in recent years  :tears:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Feb-04, 02:29 PM
Anyone having issues.
Bet slip can't be submitted, no statements and page not available messages. Both my app and PC :sad:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Feb-04, 02:30 PM
App working for me


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Feb-04, 02:31 PM
On a 4G connection in S-E Melbourne


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2017-Feb-04, 02:46 PM
PC OK for me
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-08, 09:43 AM
Why the hell do these  :censored: s need to wait till correct weight to refund scratchings ?

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Feb-08, 05:57 PM
Short term money market   :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Feb-08, 06:11 PM
Sure they do not trade shares on a BOTS trading system that buys and sells shares in miniscule time frames ?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: parano1a on 2017-Feb-20, 10:20 PM
VIC and NSW TABs operating on UK greyhounds from tonight... but seems to be fixed odds only at this stage. Is this a trial run and will we see tote pools in the future?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: parano1a on 2017-Feb-21, 12:46 AM
OK, so tote pools are now operating on Monmore Greyhounds (Win, Place, Quin, Tri, Exa, RD, DD, Quaddie) but only opened just before the first event for coverage? Also, TAB is only covering races 3-8 out of a 14 race card... What's going on?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: parano1a on 2017-Feb-21, 12:43 PM
Fixed Odds now open for Kinsley (UK) dogs Races 3-8 tonight,  but no tote pools yet?! TAB are offering the generous odds of $1.01 the win for all 6 dogs in every race.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: parano1a on 2017-Feb-21, 08:31 PM
Every runner is still $1.01 fixed odds win for the whole Kinsley meeting. Very unprofessional of Tabcorp to accept bets on a market framed like this.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-21, 08:39 PM
Markets I am looking at say they are suspended.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: parano1a on 2017-Feb-21, 08:53 PM
TAB android app has every runner $1.01. Obviously I don't want to submit the bet slip to see if it goes through.

Whereas for other races where the Fixed Odds market is yet to be framed, e.g. Mandurah Dogs R10, it says "N/A" under the Fixed Odds column.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-21, 09:04 PM
Race isn't due for 3 hours 47 minutes yet.

There is no way they will bet fixed odds until the market is established and they can look at what other bookies are betting.

This is modern "bookmaking"
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Mar-02, 04:31 PM
can anyone find the footy tab link on the phone app. I want to take a pick the margins
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Mar-02, 04:52 PM
Not in app but can be reached on mobile at URL = https://www.tab.com.au/sports/footytab/Rugby%20League/H&A/rounds/1
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Mar-02, 04:54 PM
 Curious mate. Why wouldn't it be in the app
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Mar-02, 05:12 PM
It's on the list.  Other items get prioritized ahead of it.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Mar-03, 06:33 AM


Pulling the wrong rein on subsidized from guides

At 7 am this morning it was looking 'odds on' that there would be no races run at Randwick tomorrow.

Racenet aside, the best hardcopy form guide is the one published in the Sydney Morning Herald.

Today, however, this form guide virtually ignores the meeting at Flemington tomorrow, it is almost exclusively given over to the meetings scheduled for Randwick and Gosford -- both likely to be rescheduled.

One can only wonder about who is responsible for this -- who calls the shots -- RNSW or Tabcorp?

Whatever, it is a shot in the foot for TAB turnover -- and a shot in the arm for Racenet, Sportsman  et al.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Mar-03, 07:39 AM
Peter,
Thanks for your feedback.  In recent times our focus and growth has been driven through digital investment.  We are continually improving our digital form and I would encourage you to try it out on the apps or at tab.com.au on any device with internet access. Where rights permit it now includes things such as video replays.  In addition we offer form guides on skyracing.com.au and these can be printed out if printed output is your preference.  It is easily found by typing skyform into Google.
Thanks
Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Mar-03, 07:46 AM
Philby
Is it possible to get an explanation for the form guide for Flemington in today's Herald?

It is a shocker and to give Gosford one more expanded race than Flemington is plain ridiculous.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Mar-03, 12:33 PM
Thanks Nemisis, Ultimately the space is determined by the Racing Industry and the Herald Sun, with the goal of driving wagering. Given space limitations and he number of meetings now covered, there are often clashes ... we'll pass your feedback onto the Herald.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2017-Mar-03, 01:00 PM
Obviously it is the Dog in the manger attitude that is at foot here.....state rivalry!....how do you change that! They have been doing that in Melbourne since Adam wore short pants.....They pretend NSW doesn't exist so we return the salvo and pretend Victoria doesn't exist.....who wins?? No One.....who loses???....everyone!!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Mar-03, 01:39 PM
Bloody Victorians
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2017-Mar-03, 02:04 PM
I don't know about "hard copy" but if you want NSW form............far and away the best form guide I have found(and there could not be a better one anywhere on the planet) is Racing NSW, go to their form guide and click on any horses name, their form comes up with video of every run they have had in NSW..........it's free, no log in etc, very user friendly and very efficient
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Mar-03, 02:34 PM
What's at play in today's herald form is in fact a replica of what happens on Sky Central.
NSW's  first and second and the rest nowhere.

Don't watch much Brisbane racing anymore because of this and certainly not interested in provincial racing on Saturdays.
I wish my horses had as much speed as the mounting yard coverage from Brisbane although there is a nice tree at one of the tracks.

Thank God for Racing.com
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Mar-03, 04:47 PM
Bloody Victorians


 :fishing:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Mar-03, 05:21 PM
its not in my nature, bubs 8-)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Mar-04, 11:12 AM
Obviously it is the Dog in the manger attitude that is at foot here.....state rivalry!....how do you change that! They have been doing that in Melbourne since Adam wore short pants.....They pretend NSW doesn't exist so we return the salvo and pretend Victoria doesn't exist.....who wins?? No One.....who loses???....everyone!!

I would have thought it pretty simple, RNSW have paid more for the space.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Mar-04, 03:55 PM
Come on, can't get on with my phone app or home pc. anyone else having trouble?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Mar-04, 04:01 PM
Apologies Wily and others, but network issues are impacting online betting.  Suggest you call your bets through on 132 698 - our Touchtone service. 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Mar-04, 04:51 PM
Must have cost the TAB a fortune today  :o

People aren't going to phone it, they will just switch apps to another provider.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Mar-04, 04:59 PM
Must have cost the TAB a fortune today  :o

People aren't going to phone it, they will just switch apps to another provider.
Thanks Gin, obviously not ideal but we are multi channel so can cater through other channels.  Agree that not all customers will happily change channel so resolving the digital issue is currently priority number one. Cheers, P2


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Mar-04, 05:30 PM
Must have cost the TAB a fortune today  :o

People aren't going to phone it, they will just switch apps to another provider.

That's what I did
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Mar-04, 06:14 PM
Thanks Gin, obviously not ideal but we are multi channel so can cater through other channels.  Agree that not all customers will happily change channel so resolving the digital issue is currently priority number one. Cheers, P2


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Cheers Philby, it wasn't a criticism, more a statement on human behaviour.

I feel for you on days like today.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Mar-04, 06:17 PM
Cheers Philby, it wasn't a criticism, more a statement on human behaviour.

I feel for you on days like today.
All good mate, I saw it for what it was.  For what it's worth I have been using the app for an hour or so following goings on at Ascot and it has been working fine. Cheers, Philby


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Mar-04, 07:14 PM

We need a fuller explanation - and media updates on problems and alternatives

TAB systems going 'down' is on a par with inability to access bank accounts -- this is a major inconvenience.

Saying there are 'network problems' does not cut it -- punters need a fuller explanation.

Punters also need to be told on the broadcast media that there are problems -- and alternative options.

It was not at all clear that the problems were lingering and not just transitory congestion -- keeping the customers satisfied is about clear and timely admissions of problems.

...... does Sportsbet have these problems?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2017-Mar-04, 07:27 PM
Why anyone who is a serious Punter would only have an account with one Bookie is beyond me.....no one has a mortgage on the best price.....you need to be able to access top odds for every bet.........or you can't win.............I only bet through Dynamic odds, you can access all the bookies including the TAB's and bet from one site....like being at the races....only better!......not sure if they have an App though?.............open an account with all the different bookies get all the bonuses available and bet with their money and get the best odds available...........makes it hard to lose!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Mar-15, 09:39 PM

.......... and what about last Saturday

......... there were problems again .......... running close to time and needing to 'log-out & log-in' to get a functioning screen on either firefox or chrome.

If there are problems it is better for TABs to be up-front about it than hoping people will not be inconvenienced.

The TABCORP service seems to be overloaded -- please expand the capacity of the system to cope with carnival demands.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Mar-19, 08:42 AM


Do others have a problem with tab.com.au freezing and needing to swap engines -- for me it is a recurrent problem.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Mar-19, 01:26 PM
Only on my ipad
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-19, 02:30 PM
Just a couple of negative comments on the app (Samsung Galaxy S6)

- The amount of time I have to wait while it determines my location before the app starts is often too long. Most devices are multi CPU (the latest Samsung has 8 CPUs) so a decent programmer would know how to make the location search in the background while the rest of the app starts.

- Can we get PINs like all the other wagering apps have? The password I have to enter is difficult to do, especially because the timeout is set way too short IMO. My Ladbrokes app never times out. That is how it should be. I manage my own risk that someone could pick up my phone by having thumbprint security after a minute.

I don't want someone "nannying" me on MY risk that I manage. Happy to sign off on any disclaimer (which we seem to do with gay abandon these days).
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Mar-19, 03:15 PM
All good points to raise mate. Especially the time loading.
Also with the  video replay option the screen can't be enlarged or rotated. Way to small too see anything. Size of a postage stamp
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Mar-19, 06:54 PM
Buffered if I can find pick the margins approximates
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Mar-19, 08:28 PM


- Can we get PINs like all the other wagering apps have? The password I have to enter is difficult to do, especially because the timeout is set way too short IMO. My Ladbrokes app never times out. That is how it should be. I manage my own risk that someone could pick up my phone by having thumbprint security after a minute.

I don't want someone "nannying" me on MY risk that I manage. Happy to sign off on any disclaimer (which we seem to do with gay abandon these days).

  emthup


Also with the  video replay option the screen can't be enlarged or rotated. Way to small too see anything. Size of a postage stamp

Works perfect for me and I'm on an old Iphone 5
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Mar-20, 09:09 AM
Just a couple of negative comments on the app (Samsung Galaxy S6)

- The amount of time I have to wait while it determines my location before the app starts is often too long. Most devices are multi CPU (the latest Samsung has 8 CPUs) so a decent programmer would know how to make the location search in the background while the rest of the app starts.

- Can we get PINs like all the other wagering apps have? The password I have to enter is difficult to do, especially because the timeout is set way too short IMO. My Ladbrokes app never times out. That is how it should be. I manage my own risk that someone could pick up my phone by having thumbprint security after a minute.

I don't want someone "nannying" me on MY risk that I manage. Happy to sign off on any disclaimer (which we seem to do with gay abandon these days).

Thanks PP for your feedback.  Have passed it on to respective team.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Mar-20, 07:06 PM
 emthup

Works perfect for me and I'm on an old Iphone 5

It does for live racing but not in form or results :chin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-25, 12:56 PM
I cannot log in at the moment - says it cannot connect to server - tried both internet and 4G and got the same message so nothing to do with internet connection.

Anyone else?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Mar-25, 01:07 PM
G'day PP7, I just logged in on ok. Which carrier are you with for phone and Internet?


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-25, 01:39 PM
G'day PP7, I just logged in on ok. Which carrier are you with for phone and Internet?


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Is working now mate. Was out for 5 minutes.

I am with Optus but everything else was working i.e.  I could get on with Ladbrokes and the streaming via Racing NSW never missed a beat.

All good now   :biggrin:

Cheers.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-25, 01:52 PM
While we are on a roll, I'm getting a rejection on a batch betting quaddie and I cannot work out why.

SR-QL-00004.0-F/2,6,7,9/4,10/7,8,9,12,2,3/1,2,9,3,12/

Seln Outside Fld: 9

So if 9 is outside the field, it would have to be the first leg, third leg or 4th leg but there is a #9 in each leg and they are all running.

SR is the code for Rosehill today and the quaddie is on the last 4 races - is that right?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-25, 02:13 PM

SR-QL-00004.0-F/2,6,7,9/4,10/7,8,9,12,2,3/1,2,9,3,12/

Seln Outside Fld: 9


Error message means there is a selection in Race 9 that is outside the field...#12  :shy:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-26, 01:04 PM
While we are on a roll, I'm getting a rejection on a batch betting quaddie and I cannot work out why.

SR-QL-00004.0-F/2,6,7,9/4,10/7,8,9,12,2,3/1,2,9,3,12/

Seln Outside Fld: 9


Just for the record.....

That line above was one of 7 lines that I was attempting to submit on the Sydney Quaddie via batch betting.

The ticket was being rejected because I erroneously put down #12 in the last race instead of #10 - there were only 11 runners.

If my mistake had been to put #11 instead of #10 the tickets would have been accepted and by my calcs a mysterious $800 would have arrived in my account  :sad:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-26, 01:27 PM
Anyone who wants to have a muck around with Batch Betting.

For flex quaddies, take this line of code and put it into Notepad.

MR-QL-00002.0-F/7,9/2,7,8/3,8/2,5/

Change the red text to the meeting code
Edit the blue numbers for your selections in the four legs (commas separate runners in each leg and a forward slash separates legs)
The purple figure is the amount

You can put multiple lines in at once so copy and paste underneath however many times and edit as appropriate.

In your NSW or Vic TAB Account, go to Menu/My Account/Batch Betting (toward the bottom)

Copy your Notepad text and paste here and then Submit it - it gives you a screen then that tells you how many valid bets so if you change your mind....

The flexi First Four text is similar except you have to put the race number in as well. Numbers do not have to be in order.

ER-05-FF-00000.5-F/7/3,4/3,4/8,12,1,6,5/
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Apr-30, 12:20 PM
Why do I constantly get this message. Does anyone else?

No races available
There was an error loading races. Try  again later
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2017-Apr-30, 03:08 PM
I get that a couple of times a week I guess, text in red letters, viewing on a PC.

No rhyme nor reason to it, it just happens.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Apr-30, 05:29 PM
Why do I constantly get this message. Does anyone else?

No races available
There was an error loading races. Try  again later

Me too. Seems to fix itself up pretty quick but annoying.

The other bug I've picked out with the app is when you have a bet and proceed to the screen where you hit submit, it always says Race 1 regardless of what race it is (for the dogs anyway - haven't checked with the horses).

The form is really good on the app and you can watch replays for the Sky covered meetings now. But it would be nice with the dog form if they could find a place to say what box the dog started in in it's history - it is a very important stat that is missing.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-May-13, 01:44 PM
 :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: how many people work in customer service in Saturday's
Tried to cancel a bet placed in error.
On hold from 4:40 before the race and never got answered :mad:

Put $105 on a quinny instead of 5

Of course they ran 1st and 3rd beaten a neck :no1:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-May-14, 11:56 PM
A few times lately when I have deposited funds it has said error.

So I do it again to find the original deposit was actually done and as such I have deposited twice as much as I wanted.

Disgraceful really.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-May-15, 08:45 AM
A few times lately when I have deposited funds it has said error.

So I do it again to find the original deposit was actually done and as such I have deposited twice as much as I wanted.

Disgraceful really.
Same happened to me yesterday on the phone. Was yours via the phone app Auth?

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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-May-15, 12:39 PM
Yes.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2017-May-15, 03:04 PM
It happened to me the other day as well, via the internet.
Smelt a little deliberate.

On top of somehow losing with my Mr Sneaky into Clearly Innocent running double......wonder why I do it.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-May-19, 12:10 PM
It has done it again on my PC this time

I have cottoned on to this and always refresh before acknowledging.

The money had been deposited into my account

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-May-19, 03:19 PM
Authorized. sorry to see you are depositing into your account, I only make withdrawals. :beer:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-May-19, 03:58 PM
 
Authorized. sorry to see you are depositing into your account, I only make withdrawals. :beer:

 :)

Do you ever withdraw the whole amount in your account ?

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-May-19, 08:16 PM

 :)

Do you ever withdraw the whole amount in your account ?
I have withdrawn the entire balance from three corporates after each started rejecting my bets at fixed priced odds on USA trots.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-May-20, 06:55 AM
I would like to see a pop up warning when you accidentally turn off default Flexi.

Was having some lunch yesterday and being the despo I am decided to outlay a couple of dollars on the dog races via the phone app while I tucked into some fish.

What I thought was a $7.50 flexi exotic based around the dog in Box 1 ended up costing me over $50. I was aware of it before the race and reasoned that because the dog had box 1 and was 2nd favourite that I had a good chance of a collect and besides not much I could do about it.

Talk about your money being "toast". Don't know WTF he was thinking in those boxes but it certainly wasn't anything about chasing hares  :rant:

Box 2 is vacant and if you look real close you can see a dog's head in Box 1


(https://s18.postimg.org/r5zrpnzsl/slow_1.png) (https://postimg.org/image/r5zrpnzsl/)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-20, 07:51 PM
Some poor git given the job of attaching the replays in the app form isn't aware that Ascot is in the UK and not Perth
 :tin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-21, 04:58 PM
More problems. Cost me a $30 winner today.
Does Philby still come here?
The people on the phone are useless
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Jun-21, 05:09 PM
Some poor git given the job of attaching the replays in the app form isn't aware that Ascot is in the UK and not Perth
 :tin:

Their form guide is unreliable.

Use their search engine for the individual horse.

You will find Mubtasim's Ascot run there. https://www.skyracing.com.au/index.php?component=racing&task=racereplays&Itemid=198&id=18

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-21, 05:19 PM
They also had one of my Blackbook horses today as a scratching :mad:
Turkana actually raced and won at $31 :mad: :mad: :sweat: :mad: :mad:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-22, 08:06 AM
FFS :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
8.05am and I can't get any bets on for today. No one is awake in there yet to turn on the machines

 :mad:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jun-22, 10:07 AM
I hope when they merge they retain the current UBET app developers and let them develop the new app. There are so many bugs in the current TAB smart phone app (many already described here).

Good opportunity for management to make a difference at zero cost   emthup
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Jun-23, 11:49 AM
Some poor git given the job of attaching the replays in the app form isn't aware that Ascot is in the UK and not Perth
 :tin:
Gday Wily, apologise for the late reply, dealing with some family stuff so a bit distracted at present.  I am keen to get things fixed as you know.  Grateful if you could call out specifics when this sort of stuff occurs so I can proved to respective resolver group and get fixed.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Jun-23, 11:52 AM
A few times lately when I have deposited funds it has said error.

So I do it again to find the original deposit was actually done and as such I have deposited twice as much as I wanted.

Disgraceful really.
Checked in to see if we were getting many reports/complaints along these lines and we weren't at the time. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Jun-23, 11:53 AM
More problems. Cost me a $30 winner today.
Does Philby still come here?
The people on the phone are useless
Again Wily, what are the specifics?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jun-23, 12:51 PM
They also had one of my Blackbook horses today as a scratching :mad:
Turkana actually raced and won at $31 :mad: :mad: :sweat: :mad: :mad:

P2

Think Wily was talking about this
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Jun-23, 12:52 PM
P2

Think Wily was talking about this
Thx Jfc


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jun-23, 01:17 PM
Jfc.?????

Please.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Jun-23, 01:38 PM
Jfc.?????

Please.
Thanks JWH, might be time to visit specsavers.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-23, 04:43 PM
Yes, thanks JWH
Welcome back Philby, hope the family stuff is nothing major.

It's a problem that was addressed in the past but appears to have reared its head again.
I went to back Turkana at the Gold Coast on Wednesday. I actually tried to place my bet on Tuesday night and it was showing as a scratching.
After being in a conference all day in Wednesday I looked at the results and Lo and behold. Turkana actually race and saluted at massive odds.
Top fluc was $30 :shutup:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-23, 06:28 PM
Trying to look at replays in the form for Ascot tonight but keep getting told that the vision is "arriving soon"".....It never does.
Is that my PC or the TAB issue?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-08, 07:30 AM

ADVERTIZED QUADRELLA POOLS -- $ 400,000 'PROSPECTIVE' OR 'GUARANTEED'

On 2KSKY on Thursday it was said that 400,000 was the 'prospective' NSW quadrella pool for today --- this morning a commentator on 2KSKY said the 400k was 'guaranteed'.

What is the real story please?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Jul-08, 09:13 AM
Thanks for seeking clarification.  $400,000 is the projected pool on NSW tote for Warwick Farm. Cheers, Philby


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jul-08, 10:28 AM
Philby,
Where does the money came from for the cash out Quaddies?
It obviously can't come out of the Quaddie pool.

One of the reasons we are told we have substitutes is because the pools are already set so we can't have refunds for scratchings.

Thanks.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Jul-08, 11:14 AM
Philby,
Where does the money came from for the cash out Quaddies?
It obviously can't come out of the Quaddie pool.

One of the reasons we are told we have substitutes is because the pools are already set so we can't have refunds for scratchings.

Thanks.
G'day Nemisis,

COPL Pty Ltd buys the bet.  It is spelt out in the T&Cs which can be found he

http://tab.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/480/kw/cash%20out/session/L3RpbWUvMTQ5OTQ3NTQ2NS9zaWQvUjNtM0wxbm4%3D


Hope that clears things up. Quaddie cash out definitely doesn't come out of Quaddie pool.

Cheers,

Philby


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jul-08, 01:29 PM
Who owns COPL P/L

Is it a TAB Subsidiary?

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Jul-08, 01:46 PM
Who owns COPL P/L

Is it a TAB Subsidiary?
Yes that is my understanding


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jul-08, 02:48 PM
  emthup
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jul-08, 07:18 PM
Thanks for seeking clarification.  $400,000 is the projected pool on NSW tote for Warwick Farm. Cheers, Philby


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$443325

  emthup
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-08, 08:48 PM



Does TABCORP now have an interest in a 'betting syndicate' operation

........ and is it a player in setting up the order and content of race fields that deliver unfair racing, especially in quadrella sequences?

In 2002 , I asked Warren Wilson, ceo of the NSWTAB  if they  would 'bet on the races' to cover 'unplaced bets' -- he said 'no way'.

In 1992 I asked Alan Windross, then ceo, if he would subsidize a form guide for the Japan Cup -- 'over my dead body -- ever of any race' was the clear reply.

Times change -- has Victoria, treating Tabcorp unfairly (about poker machines),  unleashed a monster?

The national racing industry probably needs a national royal commission -- it seems to be institutionally corrupt.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Aug-21, 11:20 AM
Some exciting news for those interested in the Premier League!

https://www.channelnews.com.au/optus-sky-racing-partner-to-broadcast-english-premier-league-2018-fifa-world-cup/
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Aug-21, 01:43 PM
Some exciting news for those interested in the Premier League!

https://www.channelnews.com.au/optus-sky-racing-partner-to-broadcast-english-premier-league-2018-fifa-world-cup/

This is not great news.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Aug-21, 05:19 PM
I presume the EPL will be televised in the morning before midday in Australia. Presently in the morning on SKY 1 & SKY 2 there are so many US trot and race meetings that frequently races are not broadcast and if they are shown, there is no audio because of races clashing. To extend further coverage to the EPL will only cause further log jams.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Aug-21, 05:54 PM
Bubba, EPL will be shown on additional channels (not Sky 1 and 2) and will be broadcast in venues only under the deal.  Many venues now dedicate screens to sport (typically Foxtel) as well as racing and it will be ideal for these venues. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Aug-21, 09:15 PM
This is not great news.

Worst thing ever to loose of Foxtel  emthdown
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Aug-22, 10:05 AM
Bubba, EPL will be shown on additional channels (not Sky 1 and 2) and will be broadcast in venues only under the deal.  Many venues now dedicate screens to sport (typically Foxtel) as well as racing and it will be ideal for these venues. Cheers, Philby
Philby,thanks for clarifying of EPL in "venues only".
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Aug-22, 10:26 AM
Worst thing ever to loose of Foxtel  emthdown
Agreed - many viewers lost and didn't help wagering.  That being said, silver lining to cloud is this deal.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Aug-22, 05:57 PM
Agreed - many viewers lost and didn't help wagering.  That being said, silver lining to cloud is this deal.  Cheers, Philby

Don't get me wrong Philby, that's a great get for SKY.

Trouble is for me I'm a middle aged, married bloke with 2 kids under 10, the chances of a leave pass to head to the pub on a Saturday for the EPL are none and buckleys   :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Aug-22, 06:01 PM
Don't get me wrong Philby, that's a great get for SKY.

Trouble is for me I'm a middle aged, married bloke with 2 kids under 10, the chances of a leave pass to head to the pub on a Saturday for the EPL are none and buckleys     :lol:  
Share your pain


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Aug-26, 01:43 AM
Why does the TAB display Luca Cumani trained horses as being trained by Miss M E Rowland ?

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Aug-26, 07:53 AM
Matt, can you give me a specific example and I'll look into it. Cheers, Phil
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2017-Aug-26, 11:07 AM
Philby

Example of Authorized's query

Race 5 Brighton Tuesday August 22nd. Winner Buxted Dream which is trained by Cumani showing as Rowland.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Aug-27, 09:07 PM
Who is the director in charge of Sky Racing tonight ?

He/she is a  :censored: .
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Sep-14, 04:18 PM
Who does produce the TAB form guide ?

Skyform has Doncaster race 3 #7 Sizzling as being trained by some DAVID J GEARY rather than Aiden O'Bbrien.


Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2017-Sep-14, 05:25 PM
Also I note today the TAB seems to think Ryan Moore has had a sex change. Listed as Ms R Moore at Doncaster
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Sep-14, 05:32 PM
The way he rode Mirage Dancer I am happy with that mistake.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Sep-23, 08:12 AM
Cant get any of the media options to play racing HQ

Anyone else having trouble.
Tried the app, tab web site. Skyracing website both audio and video :chin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-07, 09:10 AM
Bumping for Peter M before another string of undividual threads
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-07, 09:21 AM
Hi philby
Can you explain the process that decides that the Mackay meeting is the main Queensland meeting ahead of the Gold Coast today

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Oct-07, 10:08 AM
Hi philby
Can you explain the process that decides that the Mackay meeting is the main Queensland meeting ahead of the Gold Coast today
Thx WoD, this question comes up regularly. My understanding is that it is about consistency with LR code being applied to GC most Saturdays.  So on days like today they stick with that code. Cheers, P2


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-07, 02:32 PM
Thanks Philby  :beer:
Understand the meeting coding but The biggest concern is they shoot themselves in the foot with the quaddies, surely

Just over 2k in the pool for the early quaddy at Mackay. Sure the Goldie would deliver a bigger pool
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Oct-09, 06:46 AM


Problems with Tabcorpse

.......perhaps someone reading this thread may like to address the apparent dereliction of the Tabcorpse 'help line' --  are 30 minute wait times considered normal and acceptable?

Similarly, out of the blue, my Norton anti-virus program is effectively denying access to  tab.com.au on both Chrome and Mozilla -- can this gremlin be addressed please?

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Oct-09, 01:58 PM


This post with a more direct header failed to get a response



Tabcorpse has lost the plot -- Tabcorpse est mort

After failing again to penetrate the defences barring access to the TAB hell-line 131 802, I called the live betting number and asked for a 'supervisor'.

In talking to the 'supervisor' it became clear that there is a glitch in the new system for access to account balances and bet details -- i.e. details not being recorded.

I was assured that this matter would be 'escalated'  -- but no indication of what was known to be wrong or time to resolution.

On the more important question of the 'help line' not working -- I was assured that it was working but that wait times are '30 minutes'.

It was agreed this was worse than a 'centerlink' performance -- and simply 'unacceptable'.

As to why -- it was said that call volumes were high -- it was not said that there were not enough resources manning the phone lines to the 'help centre' as distinct from the immediate attention if one wants to place a bet.

As to when it would 'be fixed'  -- the answer was in essence 'no idea'.

Surely Tabcorpse has a legal obligation to provide a 'help line' and ensure it is properly accessible.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Oct-10, 12:46 PM
Thanks Peter for your feedback.  I’ve been away watching another race at Mount Panorama- really love studying other industries to think about how I can bring the learnings back to Tab/Sky.

I’ll be back in the office in the next few days after this break and will see what can turn up.  I do know that with the rapid growth of the digital channel and associated connected devices the demand for operator phone services has seen a significant decline yoy.

Cheers

Philby


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Oct-10, 04:51 PM


Thank you Philby,

I am not sure what to make of what you say.

The problems noted are of some standing -- not caused by you being at Bathurst.

Even now the 'sky racing program' for Ch 528 is not available -- you check:

 http://www.skyracing.com.au/index.php?component=guide&task=programguide&Itemid=107&id=22

 There is no point in broadcasting stuff that is not advertised as to time and day. Does TAB and SKY not want people to know what's on?

 I  tape the 'form talk' on Thursday and now it does not start at 7.30 pm -- and it is not possible to see when it is 'on' and replayed ---------- is there a SKY program director and production team?

My reason for calling the 'help line' was similarly non-routine -- other call-centre staff know the wait time is '30 minutes and worse than centerlink' -- it is not a one off event.

How could that be allowed to happen -- especially when problems with 132698 are switched to this 'dead' help line -- one which customers with 'urgent' issues are told to call.

Am I missing something with this remark:

I do know that with the rapid growth of the digital channel and associated connected devices the demand for operator phone services has seen a significant decline yoy.


I do not use operator phone services at TAB but customers needing assistance also need a contact point that works.


Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Oct-10, 05:29 PM


...................on further reflection ............... it would seem that there is presently no way of customers contacting either TAB or 2KSKY in real time by either phone or email.

As well it seems that no one at TAB or SKY ever looks at this forum -- apart from Philby when he is at his desk.

I can only imagine that TAB management is happy to continue sponsoring a forum of no consequence -- but that raises the question of other open options, if any, for the customers to be able to say anything ever.




Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-11, 04:24 PM
I can only imagine that TAB management is happy to continue sponsoring a forum of no consequence -- but that raises the question of other open options, if any, for the customers to be able to say anything ever.


So you feel it's ok to crap on this forum with comments like "a forum of no consequence" but then use this form to post your politically driven pot shots. :chin:

Isn't it a tad pathetic that you call this "a forum of no consequence" but you don't contribute to any racing threads, social threads or tipping comps to help grow this forum. :chin:

Given that this is "a forum of no consequence " to you. Do you go to other forums and post the same things as you do here? :bulb:

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Oct-11, 07:00 PM


There are no forums for punters to have their say -- not this one, not any other one

The exclusion of the punters voice is complete -- not even a revelation that TAB does not answer their 'help line' gets a response and there is still no program guide for the 528 channel at SKY racing.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-11, 08:06 PM

So you feel it's ok to crap on this forum with comments like "a forum of no consequence" but then use this form to post your politically driven pot shots. :chin:



Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-11, 08:10 PM
Try this link Peter if you feel this joint is no good. Certainly got more traffic and don't let the door hit ya arse on the way out  :biggrin:

forum.thoroughbredvillage.com.au

Your abuse of this place is an utter disgrace, especially to yourself
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Oct-12, 12:19 PM


.......perhaps someone reading this thread may like to address the apparent dereliction of the Tabcorpse 'help line' --  are 30 minute wait times considered normal and acceptable?

Similarly, out of the blue, my Norton anti-virus program is effectively denying access to  tab.com.au on both Chrome and Mozilla -- can this gremlin be addressed please?
Thanks for your feedback Peter, try: http://smallbusiness.chron.com/add-exception-norton-internet-security-55754.html
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Oct-12, 12:21 PM
Peter, this is probably the most definitive source re 528.

http://schedule.skyracing.com.au/

Regards

Phil
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Oct-12, 05:13 PM


Thank you Philby,

...... on the Norton matter, it is hardly appropriate to expect TAB customers and Norton subscribers to manage the consequences of TAB decisions that make TAB sites inaccessible.

The relevant legal precedent is big guy v. little guy -- it is the responsibility of the 'big guy' to protect the little guys.

As to the program schedule for CH 528 in the SKYTV set, it is similarly to be expected that the program schedule will be advertised as it customarily has been until a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.skyracing.com.au/index.php?component=guide&task=programguide&Itemid=107&id=22

Not doing so is plain commercial stupidity -- even Ch 10 advertised their program schedule.

I will leave it to you to explain what you think customers may have found at the link you suggested  -- i.e. forum.thoroughbredvillage.com.au

What I found was worse than useless.

As to what may be a 'disgrace' or not -- me calling Tabcorpse out is what matters when the TAB is treating customers with contempt!

What do you  think is OK -- not answering the help line or not providing the program schedule for 528 -- or both!

Tell who ever can to get the act together -- and put a boy on the monitor when you go on leave!


Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Oct-12, 07:22 PM


Philby may like to get the head from a dark place and say 'thanks' to Barry


Online Barry

https://www.foxtel.com.au/tv-guide/channel/SKY-Tbred-Cent/SRW/

Note that the Foxtel guide is an abomination of a website, but it's better than nothing!






Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: napes on 2017-Oct-16, 09:55 AM
Who would have thought you would find the program schedule for a station on foxtel at the foxtel website  :tin: :tin: :tin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-16, 04:18 PM
Peter could also just use his remotew control as well and plan his viewing but we all know he's just bullshitting and dishonestly making it an issue :tin: :tin: :tin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Oct-18, 11:36 PM
People at Sky Channel once again show what  :censored: s they are.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Oct-18, 11:39 PM
Just absolute  :censored: wits.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Oct-20, 11:14 PM
Again, absolute  :censored: s
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-21, 06:35 AM
What happened
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Oct-23, 11:53 AM
Peter and others,

Feel free to track the Sky/Tab schedule at:

http://schedule.skyracing.com.au/

Cheers,

Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Oct-25, 01:33 AM
7th at Yarmouth is about to jump and the  :censored: s at the TAB have not paid out on the previous race.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Oct-26, 01:49 AM
Philby42,

Can you tell me who was the trainer of the winner of race 7 at Newmarket this morning please ?

The same trainer also produced the very promising Key Victory in race 4.

Who is this trainer ?



Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Oct-26, 12:06 PM
Philby42,

Can you tell me who was the trainer of the winner of race 7 at Newmarket this morning please ?

The same trainer also produced the very promising Key Victory in race 4.

Who is this trainer ?

I'm sure P2 keeps up to speed on the current trainers of all thoroughbreds the length and breadth of all the world's continents .


 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Oct-26, 12:09 PM
Charlie Appleby


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Oct-26, 12:13 PM
Charlie Appleby


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Bloody hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He does know all the current trainers of all thoroughbreds the length and breadth of all the world's continents .

Trouble is the NSWTAB doesn't likewise per yesterday's form. :beer:



 


 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Oct-26, 12:43 PM
It is just a guess but I would suggest he did not get that from the TAB results page or form guide.

Who does the TAB employ to provide the formguides and why do they insist on having the incorrect information  ?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Oct-26, 01:10 PM
I think you're going a bit over the top there Auth.

It's not as though they state that the horse ran fourth instead of winning.

Stuffing up the trainer of a first starter at some god-forsaken track on the other side of the world is hardly a hanging offence in my books.

   
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Oct-26, 01:14 PM
Thanks Matt and JWH, I have raised the matter internally with the appropriate teams.

JWH - whilst I agree that it is not a hanging offence, we should be getting things right first time.  To that end I appreciate and welcome the feedback so we can improve things going forward.

Cheers,

P2
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Oct-26, 05:39 PM
Thanks Philby.   emthup

JWH I agree it is not a hanging offence but I tend to look at the form guide and decide if a race is worth i nvestigating further.

It was happening for so long I took it for granted the trainer listed was Appleby, previously Luca Cumani was listed for a long time under a female name.

Whoever is contracted to build these formguides should be getting it right.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Oct-26, 06:48 PM
I reckon Auth keeps highlighting it as he's kicking up to do the job  :chin:   :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-26, 06:48 PM
Thats all well and good but very minor. What's worst with their form is the runner comments.
They are often totally wrong, bordering on bizarre.

Thus fooling tge lazy morons who rely on them
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Oct-26, 06:54 PM
I reckon Auth keeps highlighting it as he's kicking up to do the job  :chin:   :lol:

Exactly

I thought I had already posted that I saw this a job application.  :biggrin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arthur on 2017-Oct-26, 08:14 PM
They are often totally wrong, bordering on bizarre.
Thus fooling tge lazy morons who rely on them

I do my own  . . form and comments . . first . . so as not to be influenced

But I also then check a number of other (selected) sets because it is so easy to miss some relevant little snippet that may have bearing

Two heads are better than one sort of thing . . but when one of those heads is just dishing up generic cut and paste rubbish, you are better off without it

The video comments on Racenet are generally 'honest' but I see quite a bit of variation in the value of their general comments . . guess it depends on which employee is doing it on that day
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-27, 06:40 AM
Anyone wants an example of how misleading racenet comments can be can look at the replay of lady esprit"s ladt start
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Oct-27, 11:26 AM
While we are off topic here.

If I didn't know any better, since the updated website I reckon Racenet have 'automated' the comments some how.  :chin:

Plenty just don't make sense  :shrug:

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Nov-03, 11:18 PM
Thanks Matt and JWH, I have raised the matter internally with the appropriate teams.

JWH - whilst I agree that it is not a hanging offence, we should be getting things right first time.  To that end I appreciate and welcome the feedback so we can improve things going forward.

Cheers,

P2

The non existent D.Charon again trained a winner for Godolphin.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Nov-04, 04:39 PM
Thanks TAB.

I was given a $200.00 bonus bet 3 weeks ago and put it on Rich Charm at $7.00 on Thursday.

What a good sprinter he is and excellent down the straight.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Nov-05, 08:02 AM
Nice and brave. Well done 8-)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2017-Nov-05, 12:29 PM
Praise for the TAB,

Started placing my first four bets for the cup today - got 1.4x multiplier on my bet today.

Can't complain about 40% overs on what may be a decent payout.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Nov-15, 10:56 AM
Guys, just a quick thank you note for highlighting some of in the inaccuracies in trainer names in European racing (Charlie Appleby).  We have been working on this matter and the team involved have conducted a complete audit and resolved a number of issues.   I have worked with the team directly and am pleased to report that I was really impressed with their desire to get things right, they are very much focused on data integrity and they too appreciate your feedback so they can get things right.  Thanks, P2
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Nov-15, 04:54 PM
Great work Philby   emthup

Praise for the TAB,

Started placing my first four bets for the cup today - got 1.4x multiplier on my bet today.

Can't complain about 40% overs on what may be a decent payout.

Fours

I 'only' got 1.2x but alas I needed the first two the other way round  :tears: I knew I was gone at the 200   :dry:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Nov-15, 08:15 PM
Guys, just a quick thank you note for highlighting some of in the inaccuracies in trainer names in European racing (Charlie Appleby).  We have been working on this matter and the team involved have conducted a complete audit and resolved a number of issues.   I have worked with the team directly and am pleased to report that I was really impressed with their desire to get things right, they are very much focused on data integrity and they too appreciate your feedback so they can get things right.  Thanks, P2

well done P2

well handled as always     8-)

some could learn    :beer:

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Nov-19, 09:22 AM
Morning Philby
Mate, the website when used on an ipad is diabolically bad. It's so slow to load. No matter what search engine I use.
Is there a reason for this?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Nov-19, 09:53 AM
Thanks for the feedback, I’ll have a play with it on my iPad and see what happens. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2017-Nov-26, 05:44 PM
R6 at Sha Tin closed early on my computer while I was watching them milling around behind the barrier  :what:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Nov-26, 06:34 PM
Me to but I was trying to back Citroen Spirit.......phew
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Nov-26, 08:35 PM
Let me see if I can find out what happened. P2.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2017-Nov-26, 10:20 PM
Philby42,

Also big issues with South African races Greyville stuck on pending for hours after the race.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Dec-28, 05:00 PM
Westie, apologies for late reply but the issue you identified was one of human error in HK.


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Dec-28, 05:03 PM
Hello, just a quick note to let the QLDers in particular know that going forward when the feature race meet is at the Gold Coast it will attract the BR meeting code.  Many thanks to those over the journey who have provided feedback on this issue.  Regards, Philby


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Dec-28, 05:03 PM
Westie, apologies for late reply but the issue you identified was one of human error in HK.


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Dec-28, 05:21 PM
Hello, just a quick note to let the QLDers in particular know that going forward when the feature race meet is at the Gold Coast it will attract the BR meeting code.  Many thanks to those over the journey who have provided feedback on this issue.  Regards, Philby


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  emthup    emthup
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Dec-28, 05:24 PM
Hello, just a quick note to let the QLDers in particular know that going forward when the feature race meet is at the Gold Coast it will attract the BR meeting code.  Many thanks to those over the journey who have provided feedback on this issue.  Regards, Philby


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Pretty obvious decision imo
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Dec-28, 05:57 PM
Morning Philby
Mate, the website when used on an ipad is diabolically bad. It's so slow to load. No matter what search engine I use.
Is there a reason for this?


Any update on this or anyone else have issues?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2017-Dec-28, 08:03 PM
Westie, apologies for late reply but the issue you identified was one of human error in HK.
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Philby
Thanks for the follow up, you do a fantastic job and  is very much appreciated, can you point me towards your organisations feedback link ? - Happy New Year.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Jan-08, 10:01 AM

Any update on this or anyone else have issues?
Gday Wily, I have just tried a couple of small bets on my ipad on some US racing.  In each separate case I tried a separate browser (Chrome, Safari).  In both cases the web site loaded smoothly and bet placement was straightforward.  My test ipad is an Ipad2 and I am on the Telstra broadband cable network.  I have fired off a request to the web team to see if we have been experiencing many complaints.  I'll keep you posted if that yields anything.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Jan-08, 10:06 AM
Philby
Thanks for the follow up, you do a fantastic job and  is very much appreciated, can you point me towards your organisations feedback link ? - Happy New Year.
Gday Westie, Happy New Year to you and all the forumites.   Best place to offer feedback is one of the options on: https://www.tabcorp.com.au/assistance .  If that is not of use let me know and I see what else I can find.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Jan-20, 10:53 AM
Hi Philby, if you're around.

I took some fixed odds multi's on todays races. System 3 from 5 legs. All for the win

When I clicked on reuse selections and try to change from win multi to place multi it won't let me with the following message appearing


" A maximum of 20 sports and 5 racing bets may be placed in a multi and toal must not exceed 20 bets
Place bets in your bet slip before adding any more bets" :chin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Jan-20, 10:56 AM
God I find  it impossible to post screen shots here :mad:

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Jan-20, 11:19 AM
Hi Philby, if you're around.

I took some fixed odds multi's on todays races. System 3 from 5 legs. All for the win

When I clicked on reuse selections and try to change from win multi to place multi it won't let me with the following message appearing


" A maximum of 20 sports and 5 racing bets may be placed in a multi and toal must not exceed 20 bets
Place bets in your bet slip before adding any more bets" :chin:
Thanks Wily, out at Milo Cricket with the young bloke.  Will take a look soon when I get home. Cheers, Philby



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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Jan-20, 11:59 AM
Hi Philby, if you're around.

I took some fixed odds multi's on todays races. System 3 from 5 legs. All for the win

When I clicked on reuse selections and try to change from win multi to place multi it won't let me with the following message appearing


" A maximum of 20 sports and 5 racing bets may be placed in a multi and toal must not exceed 20 bets
Place bets in your bet slip before adding any more bets" :chin:

Thanks Wily, I was able to replicate it and will let the respective team know. Regards, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Jan-20, 12:44 PM
Thanks mate. At least it appears not to be my lack of PC skill this time :x:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Jan-20, 01:21 PM
Thanks mate. At least it appears not to be my lack of PC skill this time :x:
All good mate, happy to help, even if we learn sometimes that the issue is a PICNIC (Problem in Chair, Not in Computer).


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Jan-28, 01:13 PM
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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Jan-29, 03:51 PM
TAB website really bad today - both phone app and desktop and both over my internet and 4G wireless - so pretty sure it is not me.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Feb-04, 03:32 PM
Philby
A suggestion about the app if I may. When listening to the radio on the app you are unable to place a bet, at the same time. Can this be adjusted so the radio continues whilst placing bets?

Also On the app when taking a quaddy the fixed odds are displayed :thumbsup: sadly on the website we only get the tote prices which are not really relevant
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Feb-04, 03:35 PM
Thanks for the feedback/suggestions Wily.  I have passed it on to our Digital team. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Feb-05, 04:53 PM
Wily, the team have provided some feedback.  They have added the radio suggestion to the backlog.  The odds issue they are aware of as well and are looking to fix in the near future. Thanks again for taking the time.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Feb-06, 06:40 AM
 :beer:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: napes on 2018-Feb-07, 12:25 PM
Have a look at the deductions Ipswich R7 today. Vic Tab lifesaver 54 preferito 27 shes an eager lass 2 suilvern 14
                                                                       Tatts    lifesaver 45 preferito 10 shes an eager lass 0 suilvern 14

Please explain Tab!

Is this what we will get with Tatts now you have taken over?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Feb-07, 12:41 PM
Thanks Napes, as a punter I feel your pain.   Deductions are covered in our betting rules.  There are plenty of places online that attempt to explain deductions.   A detailed explanation can be found at  Racing Australia.  https://www.racingaustralia.horse/uploadimg/Deduction%20FAQ.pdf
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Feb-08, 11:40 AM
I know this is not a TAB problem but I noticed that as of yesterday I am unable to view video replays from either TAB or Racing NSW sites when using Google Chrome.

You just get sound.

Works fine in IE.

Wouldn't surprise me if the leftist moralistic Gen Y's that run Google have deemed gambling to be evil and have blacked it out   :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Feb-08, 11:41 AM
Thanks mate, I'll take a look now and see if I can replicate it using Chrome.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Feb-08, 11:49 AM
Gday PP7,  I tested replays on google chrome on tab.com.au my laptop at work and my desktop at home.  In both cases the replays commenced with out any trouble and included the vision.  Regards, P2
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Feb-08, 11:55 AM
Gday PP7,  I tested replays on google chrome on tab.com.au my laptop at work and my desktop at home.  In both cases the replays commenced with out any trouble and included the vision.  Regards, P2

OK. Thanks mate. I'll have a play around with the settings in Chrome and see if I can work it out.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Feb-09, 06:58 AM
Morning
Doing some form on the Tassie Derby and no Elwick replays are available.
"Arriving shortly" is the message

I assume this is not correct as the races were run quite a few weeks back. Launceston replays loads okay
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Feb-09, 09:32 AM
Thanks  Wily, I have let the relevant teams know.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Feb-09, 02:40 PM
WoD, has been resolved.  Thanks as always for letting us know.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Feb-10, 05:44 PM
Hi Philby, I'm currently O/S and can't access the app due to location but can open up a browser and log onto the website.

Not really an issue but I was more curious, is this some government regulation that stops this?

Seems the others play by their own rules, WH wouldn't let me on but B365, Lad, BF & SB all had no issues, which is strange as last year B365 was the only one I could get on with.


Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Feb-10, 09:47 PM
Travelling the world on your winnings 8-)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Feb-11, 12:19 AM
I wish I was good enough Wily  :/

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Feb-11, 07:46 PM
Gday Gintara, I am assuming you are referring to the iphone app.  It is part of arrangements with Apple that prevents it from being used overseas.  Regards, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Feb-12, 05:39 PM
Thanks Philby, yes the iPhone app.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: bascoe on 2018-Feb-14, 11:28 AM
Question for philby...

A 2 part question...

1) With the Tab takeover of Tatts,  can you advise (if the decision has been made and you are able of course) if the current Tatts/Ubet betting infrastructure will continue to exist alongside the TAB (super/nsw) tab?  Ie will the current Tatts data and betting api stay in place?

When Acttab was taken over their systems were wound down and replaced with Tab systems.

2) Will there be a QLD/NT/SA pool that Tatts currently operate or will those pools be integrated into TAB - if so which pool?

bascoe
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Feb-14, 11:37 AM
Question for philby...

A 2 part question...

1) With the Tab takeover of Tatts,  can you advise (if the decision has been made and you are able of course) if the current Tatts/Ubet betting infrastructure will continue to exist alongside the TAB (super/nsw) tab?  Ie will the current Tatts data and betting api stay in place?

When Acttab was taken over their systems were wound down and replaced with Tab systems.

2) Will there be a QLD/NT/SA pool that Tatts currently operate or will those pools be integrated into TAB - if so which pool?

bascoe

Thanks bascoe, at this point in time the correct thing for me to do is to point you to our tabcorp.com.au website where there are feedback and enquiry options, please refer:
https://tabcorp.com.au/contact-us

If/when information comes to hand I will share it.   A lot of the good folk on here are pretty quick to pick up on it, so watch this space and other places like Twitter etc.

Cheers,

Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2018-Feb-20, 09:23 PM
Philby  maybe you can help with an explanation of the TAB's thinking?
 I had a bet in the last at Caulfield tomorrow (21/02/18) the TAB like all corporates were betting in the vicinity of 160% or more, which I understood as there was more than 40% of the market in emergencies...........

Now there were 2 scratchings both around double figures and the deductions were 9 cents and 11 cents, sounds fair right?? about 20% but they allowed in 2 emergencies that were closer to 30% of the Market............now if the emergencies didn't get a run there would be no deductions for them............the TAB had already punished the prices assuming the Emergencies wouldn't get a run by betting 160% in the first place
now if a horse that is a $5 chance is scratched a 20% deduction would be fair......so wouldn't it therefore follow that if a horse that is not in the race is let in and it is $5 there should be a 20% increase in the price? that would be fair! a silly analogy but it makes my point

I had a bet on a different horse in the same race with Sportsbet.....and guess what?? Their deductions were 0 cents and 0 cents........just like any fair minded organisation would see it.............Hooray for SPORTSBET!! Hip, Hip Hooray....a Fair Bookmaker!
I called the TAB and all I get is that they claim ignorance, they didn't make the decision and I can't talk to anyone who did, I just want to get an explanation of how they came to their conclusion based on what is fair??............

First they try to explain the basics like I am an uneducated idiot who doesn't understand that when there are deductions they have to give the money back.........well the fav was an emergency and they would have had to give that money back too if it hadn't got a run.....but they would not have taken a deduction if it was scratched

AND THEY WERE BETTING 160% TO MAKE ALLOWANCE FOR THE EMERGENCIES NOT GETTING A RUN.......THAT DEDUSTION WAS ALREADY BUILT IN TO THE PRICES!

Sorry for shouting, I am angry but it isn't you I am angry with, it isn't even the TAB REALLY.......It is ME......this has happened before and I cancelled my account.....then like an idiot I reopened it..........fool me once shame on you......but you fooled me twice and that is a SHAME on ME...........but one thing you can take to the Bank.....you won't fool me a 3rd time, the account will be closed as soon as weight is declared after the last a Caulfield, win/lose or draw!.....unless someone can give me a plausible explanation of why what they have done is fair?
Good luck with that
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2018-Feb-21, 07:20 AM
Now another scratching, Kaching is out......Deductions  = Filthy TAB 17 cents, bringing total deductions to 37 cents in the Dollar......same race terrific Sportsbet deductions for Kaching 0 cents, bringing total deductions to 0 cents, that’s right ZERO cents in the Dollar, why would anyone bet with the filthy thieving TAB? Never again
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Feb-21, 01:43 PM
It's un-Australian not betting with the TAB.

It's like having a cold pie instead of a hot pie.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2018-Feb-21, 02:02 PM
A fair go is an Aussie creed.....it is the filthy TAB that is UN Australian!.....and anyone who bets with them is an idiot with no respect for their money, which until today included me!

When one Bookie The filthy TAB) takes 37 cents in the Dollar and another (SPORTSBET) takes NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, not a cent, what would you call it?

There was always only going to be 16 starters, that is a full field.....there are still 16 runners....a full field, the $3 fav was an emergency that has gained a run....they started out betting close to 160% that just isn't a fair go!

JWH.......Being an idiot isn't Australian......maybe you think different, you may be an idiot, who knows?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2018-Feb-21, 06:43 PM
Account closed, balance withdrawn

Philby no need to answer my queries...........my relationship with the TAB is over!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Feb-22, 02:53 PM
Philby42,

Can we get the red 'time to jump meter' to run off YOUR time rather than our own computer clocks time? I am referring to the time next to the race code and jump time on the left hand side of the bettng screen under the race name.

An old battery ( I think this is the reason ) causes my computer clock time to jump anywhere from 1 minute to 5 minutes early and mislead me. Correcting it only lasts a short time before it typicaly goes 2 minutes wrong.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Feb-24, 04:14 PM
I think the app is the same.
Next in Melb on the "next to go" says 9 minutes but it is really 13 minutes :chin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Feb-24, 07:31 PM
Philby.

Mate can you get that bloke that the ads say wrote the latest app in "hexadecimal code" back in and get him to write it binary code or perhaps C++ or C#?

My app on my Samsung 8 crashes after about 20 minutes like clockwork and there were a lot of functions that were extremely slow today.

And it wasn't my phone because I could run the UBET app and watch/listen to their feed and have a bet no problems.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Feb-25, 07:58 AM
Morning
Doing some form on the Tassie Derby and no Elwick replays are available.
"Arriving shortly" is the message

I assume this is not correct as the races were run quite a few weeks back. Launceston replays loads okay


Same issue still happening.
Mudgee today race 6 #4 is one example
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Mar-01, 02:50 PM
Quaddie Cashout is currently unavailable due to technical difficulties.We hope to have this rectified as quickly as possible and apologise for any inconvenience caused.

Damm!!   :lol:

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Mar-01, 04:29 PM
Resolved


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Mar-05, 09:30 PM
Around the middle of the day on Sat and wanting to catch a NZ race I had to sit through a race from Santa Anita Park.

I took a look at some of the pools on the NSW Tab for the US race.
Now the Quaddie pool was a whopping $4.50 and minus the take out left $3.60 for anyone clever enough to pick 4 winners.

To me this is immoral and why does the Tab run quaddies on these obscure meetings when they would know that the pools offer no value at all?.....to anyone.

Can't see how any unsuspecting punters could be forewarned or refunds given but it is a very low practice.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Mar-15, 07:29 AM
Fours, looking into your clock issue. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Mar-15, 07:42 AM
Around the middle of the day on Sat and wanting to catch a NZ race I had to sit through a race from Santa Anita Park.

I took a look at some of the pools on the NSW Tab for the US race.
Now the Quaddie pool was a whopping $4.50 and minus the take out left $3.60 for anyone clever enough to pick 4 winners.

To me this is immoral and why does the Tab run quaddies on these obscure meetings when they would know that the pools offer no value at all?.....to anyone.

Can't see how any unsuspecting punters could be forewarned or refunds given but it is a very low practice.
Thanks Nemesis for your feedback.  Tote liquidity is something we are keen to address and I expect to have an update on this in the not too distant future.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Mar-15, 08:53 AM
Fours, looking into your clock issue. Cheers, Philby

Tell him to buy a new  :censored: in' battery.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Mar-22, 06:54 PM
Rather stupidly I just did an app update.
Now I’m locked out of my account
Message tells me to ring customer service.
10 minutes later, there’s no answer and I can’t bet.
We know what will happen to the bet I wanted :(
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Mar-30, 08:03 PM

NSW TAB a joke

What does it mean when there is a 'projected' pool of 'one million' -- as distinct from a 'guaranteed' pool of one-million.


...... this is marketing trickesterism.

Tell the truth -- do it or don't -- but don't bullshit depending on stupid punters to believe, and feed, the 'projection'.

NSW TAB is not associated with cricket -- and should not sandpaper the prospects.

[NB: anyone expecting NSW TAB to answer the 'help line' is off with the pixies -- there is no help line..... only slow learners hold the line}
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Mar-30, 08:50 PM
NSW TAB a joke

What does it mean when there is a 'projected' pool of 'one million' -- as distinct from a 'guaranteed' pool of one-million.


...... this is marketing trickesterism.

Tell the truth -- do it or don't -- but don't bullshit depending on stupid punters to believe, and feed, the 'projection'.

NSW TAB is not associated with cricket -- and should not sandpaper the prospects.

[NB: anyone expecting NSW TAB to answer the 'help line' is off with the pixies -- there is no help line..... only slow learners hold the line}
Pete, I sense your questions are rhetorical but in case they are not, projected = forecast pool total whilst guaranteed = locked in minimum pool total.  There is no trickery in the words we are using, they are straight forward in their meaning.  Projected pool messages are designed to highlight to customers those pools that might be larger than usual as many customers punters are attracted to larger pools.  As you know the primary funding of the industry comes from the Tote so as an owner/punter I am thrilled to see efforts being made to divert punters attention to parimutuel pools.  I am sure you would agree that this is best for the long term viability of the industry.  Cheers, Philby42


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Mar-30, 09:02 PM

....................not really OK

 .......... punters know that on 'big days' there is more bet but it is a bit rich to take advantage of that and 'project' a big pool..... do it or don't ...... but don't sandpaper the ball.

.....................................and answer the FN help-line phone!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Mar-31, 04:59 PM

TAB falls short

Apart from not answering the '(no)help line' -- which requires regulatory action -- it seems TAB cannot maintain access to customer account bet statements (the facility at NSW TAB was not available for some hours (and is still not at almost 6 pm).

..........................the NSW Quadrella pool looks more like $600k than the 'projected' 1000k.

Punters do not have the same attitude to inflating pari-mutuel pools as does TAB and RVNSWL-- we are sick of being suckered in to bet on inflated fields.

...................have a look at Caulfield today ..........F4s of $40k, 50k and 65k ..........and quadrellas of 50k and 10 k...............this is a disgraceful situation and punters would much prefer to have fair racing with outcomes consistent with the form guides not raffle tickets.


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2018-Mar-31, 05:13 PM
NSW quaddie pool was $962,945.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Mar-31, 05:55 PM


...........................thank you ........ perhaps TAB could explain  why, when I posted an hour ago the pool, was showing as $600k.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Mar-31, 06:02 PM


............apologies..... 960k+ is correct ..................the 600k pool was at VIC TAB.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Mar-31, 06:32 PM
So you we wrong again you idiot  :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-May-26, 01:27 AM
TAB have Coolring in R1 at Brisbane tomorrow down as a Brown Gelding  :mellow:


(https://s9.postimg.cc/sm42wwm8b/Coolring.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/sm42wwm8b/)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-May-26, 11:23 AM
TAB have Coolring in R1 at Brisbane tomorrow down as a Brown Gelding  :mellow:


(https://s9.postimg.cc/sm42wwm8b/Coolring.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/sm42wwm8b/)
Thanks PP, I have referred the matter to appropriate teams.  Just watched the first race from Doomben and certainly looked like a grey to me.  Cheers, P2


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-May-26, 12:33 PM
Mate that was extremely trivial  :whistle:

I do get intermittent problems with this one though.

(https://s7.postimg.cc/x8vaxrfgn/tab_Deposit_Error1.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/x8vaxrfgn/)

If I try and make a deposit using the red option, the first time I log in, I get an error message saying that operations are unavailable (sorry didn't grab a screen shot - will do next time).

If I use the green one no problems. If I go back and use the red one after using the green no problems.

It just gives you a little shock to be knocked back. First time I was checking my credit card to make sure it hadn't been hacked   :lol:  
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: bascoe on 2018-Jul-02, 02:38 PM
Got to love the inflexibility of TABCORP.

Latest 'feature' is greyhound betting on New Zealand meetings on Monday and Wednesday.

The meetings on these days at Manawatu and Hatrick have 15 races.  The NZ TAB offers betting on the 15 races.

Due to (and I am speculating here) limitations to the TABCORP technology - a maximum of 12 races can be schedulted for any meeting / anywhere (as well as a max of 24 runners but that is a different story).

So in their wisdom, they create a dummy meeting called New Zealand with 5 races, which are actually races 10-15 in the NZ meeting, with the actual meeting in Australia set at 10 races.  Now if you are a 50c punter, as I think most TAB execs think most putners are, this is no problem - you fill out a ticket or tick some boxes on an app and away you go.

For the sophisticated punter using software - who probably contributes the majority of betting t/o - we have undertake programming contortions to get a bet on these meets on Monday and Wednesday.  The situation for NZ putners betting into TAB is even worse as they attempt to decipher the mess dumped on them by TAB.

FWIW - I cannot find any explanations for why this started in the past month and how long it will last.

Never have enough crazy things to fix up.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Jul-02, 05:43 PM
Geez Bascoe, NZ puppies  :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Jul-02, 07:21 PM
Got to love the inflexibility of TABCORP.

Latest 'feature' is greyhound betting on New Zealand meetings on Monday and Wednesday.

The meetings on these days at Manawatu and Hatrick have 15 races.  The NZ TAB offers betting on the 15 races.

Due to (and I am speculating here) limitations to the TABCORP technology - a maximum of 12 races can be schedulted for any meeting / anywhere (as well as a max of 24 runners but that is a different story).

So in their wisdom, they create a dummy meeting called New Zealand with 5 races, which are actually races 10-15 in the NZ meeting, with the actual meeting in Australia set at 10 races.  Now if you are a 50c punter, as I think most TAB execs think most putners are, this is no problem - you fill out a ticket or tick some boxes on an app and away you go.

For the sophisticated punter using software - who probably contributes the majority of betting t/o - we have undertake programming contortions to get a bet on these meets on Monday and Wednesday.  The situation for NZ putners betting into TAB is even worse as they attempt to decipher the mess dumped on them by TAB.

FWIW - I cannot find any explanations for why this started in the past month and how long it will last.

Never have enough crazy things to fix up.

Mate when you say "the sophisticated punter using software" can I ask for more detail?

Are you talking about someone who is writing their own programs using an API? Or are we talking about some "off the shelf" stuff that the user would typically have paid a lot for and would have to read the manual to know what to do.

From where I sit I am intrigued as to why this would be a problem. For the TAB punters there were two NZ greyhound meetings yesterday morning. One was coded YG and had 10 races and the other JG and had 5 races.

Surely any software would have to receive some input before the day started. And typically it would be meeting codes and race numbers for that upcoming day.

If you explain it a bit further something that isn't obvious on my first read might come to light  :)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Jul-03, 12:20 AM
PP7,

My own software copes with whatever they throw up BUT I have to check codes each day manually first.

I suppose if the code checking was automated then issues would arise for various assumptions made in the coding eg 1 meeting has 1 code only - probably the problem referred to.

Error checking in various ways would not be happy with 2 codes for the one meeting..... 'it does not compute.....

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: bascoe on 2018-Jul-03, 09:54 AM
Mate when you say "the sophisticated punter using software" can I ask for more detail?

Sure - I write my own software - for me and others - but the case in point here is that I get the fields for these meets to import into my db from Greyhounds NZ - they supply one meeting of 15 races.  My own betting is on those same 15 races but due to the Tab schemozzle I have to manually do a work around for the first 10 races to bet into Manawatu code XX then the last 5 races into New Zealand code YY. 

Not a show stopper but annoying......
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: bascoe on 2018-Jul-03, 09:56 AM
Geez Bascoe, NZ puppies   :lol:

Yes NZ dogs are a challenge - they get our cast offs - but the finish on lure in effect over there straightens a good few out.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Jul-09, 01:07 PM
Philby42,

VICTAB site is failing to automatically update exotic pool sizes regulalrly lately from the early pools or very inconsistantly at least. Typically the WA site has bigger pool sizes shown as it continues to update pool sizes as before.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Jul-09, 03:42 PM
Thx 4s, I have started looking into it for you.  How far out from ARST are you looking? Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Jul-09, 03:59 PM
Philby

From as early as 15m but it goes all the way to race time and even after dividends declared!   Seems the same as WA once correct weight is declared though.
eg first four pools at Wagga today VICTAB pool stays at a few hundred ( or under a thousand anyway ) while WAtab adds thousands as the race time approaches

Whether its update times have changed or settings my individual account have changed I cannot be sure but I do know this problem did not exist a month ago or beforehand

As I type at 3:58pm VICTAB pool says .$1,642.47 and WApool says $6,580 ( jackpots ignored but WA tab might treat takeout differently to VICTAB but I doubt it given final pools the same ) for Wagga race 7.

I note that jackpot dividend amount mentioned is different between the two which suggests a part of the reason is the treatment of takeouts in the pool sizes given but it is not the whole answer at all.

Fours

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Jul-09, 04:08 PM
At 4:06 victab ff pool is $3,550.86whilst WATAB says $9,584 - the difference is increasing starkly so its not the takeout.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Jul-09, 04:11 PM
theyve jumped and VICTAB says 13,807 while WATAB says 23k
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Jul-09, 04:29 PM
Philby42,

If there have been no software changes then perhaps it reflects rebate changes???? In terms of rebates offered or where rebate players choose to put there bets despite final pools being identical.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Jul-09, 04:44 PM
I reckon it's time to get jfc onto these issues.

Pretty sure he'll have Z the cause of the FF pool anomaly.

As for the NZ doggies issue he'll have them shipped off to Chile.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2018-Jul-09, 05:29 PM
Jackpots are not shown as part of the pool on supertab but are on WA
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Jul-10, 03:05 AM

As for the NZ doggies issue he'll have them shipped off to Chile.

I wonder if the Chilean peasants eat dog as well as horse.  :chin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Jul-12, 04:15 PM
Philby42,

VICTAB site is failing to automatically update exotic pool sizes regulalrly lately from the early pools or very inconsistantly at least. Typically the WA site has bigger pool sizes shown as it continues to update pool sizes as before.

Fours

It’s not only the vic tab.
As they jumped in the Grafton cup the commentator said there was 150k in the win pool.
Tab site had it at 47k  :chin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: pegasyber on 2018-Jul-14, 09:48 AM
  After FOURS weaning me off worrying about the size of pools I turned to Value  and A Real Chance of placing if not winning, in this race, The Grafton Cup Race 7 2018. Just hope you had Number 19, as a real chance and  having a  Value  Price  about  938%  greater than its chance of winning, computer  calculated at 8.7/1,  one just had to have it as a place chance at least and for weaving into the favourites in the Multi or RVB First Fours.  Apart from Value, No 19  had just about as close to a perfect set of data, as is possible. 
Quote
VF140817 GT71207F * RACE NAME ID* [ GT71207F  2018. GRAFTON CUP,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 2350 mtrs]. COMPRUN 07-12-2018. AT 12:29:36 RESULT  [   4  19  11  10   ~    13   1   ] F4 $ 24601. #  19 paid $20 the place

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Jul-14, 11:23 AM
pegasyber,

Pool size is the first thing I look at.

I have a super model attitude to pools sizes.

This is why VICTAB now failing to update pool sizes in a timely fashion is an issue - it may cost them turnover.

Grafton Cup an easy one - agreed.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2018-Jul-29, 12:18 AM
Good evening Phil
a couple of my mates have bought the Kosciuszko Sweepstakes tickets on the terminals and than realised that they have to register the ticket .
My question is if you buy tickets on your account (as I just did) are they already registered ?

thanks mate , hope to catch up soon

cheers Rats
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Jul-30, 10:02 AM
Good evening Phil
a couple of my mates have bought the Kosciuszko Sweepstakes tickets on the terminals and than realised that they have to register the ticket .
My question is if you buy tickets on your account (as I just did) are they already registered ?

thanks mate , hope to catch up soon

cheers Rats
Gday Rats,  been awhile.  A frothy is in order in due course.  With respect the Kosi contest I would encourage you to register whether procured in account mode or cash mode on the ebt at: https://thekosciuszko.com.au/
Regards,
Philby42
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2018-Jul-30, 11:42 AM
Gday Rats,  been awhile.  A frothy is in order in due course.  With respect the Kosi contest I would encourage you to register whether procured in account mode or cash mode on the ebt at: https://thekosciuszko.com.au/
Regards,
Philby42

Thanks mate
i bought the tickets on my computer through my account not on a ebt
So as they already have my details i thought i wouldn't need to register them ?
cheers Rats
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Jul-30, 05:08 PM
Thanks mate
i bought the tickets on my computer through my account not on a ebt
So as they already have my details i thought i wouldn't need to register them ?
cheers Rats

Me too. bought them on my home pc via my tab account.
Do I register them?

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Jul-30, 07:56 PM


................. anyone buying these 'tickets' needs their head read
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2018-Jul-30, 08:52 PM

................. anyone buying these 'tickets' needs their head read

 :censored: wit
you have know idea  what people enjoy .
for 5 bucks you could get the ride of your life
you know that thing that you lack

a LIFE

Get over it , you used up  voice in your own head .

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Jul-30, 09:19 PM
Could not have said it any better myself, rats.The blokes a loser of the highest degree.

Pisses his money against the wall by backing some blokes tips in a newspaper and then belittles people who want a $5 flutter on a chance to be involved in one of the great days in the racing calendar

You’re pathetic Mair  :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2018-Jul-30, 09:22 PM
i'm gone now

barred from the once great unedited site

Mair will be a protected species

all good
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Jul-31, 09:18 AM
Me too. bought them on my home pc via my tab account.
Do I register them?
Gday Wily, if you procure on account you do not have to register.  That being said I would encourage you to register in any case so that in the event you are successful RNSW can get onto you immediately.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Jul-31, 09:21 AM

................. anyone buying these 'tickets' needs their head read
Disagree, I think this is a great example of racing bodies trying new things, innovating if you will.  The symmetry between Kosciuszko and Everest i personally think is quite clever as RNSW looks to build out this big day of racing.  This site in particular has often lamented a lack of innovation so I think its great to see different things being tried and new race days being built out.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Jul-31, 01:33 PM
Disagree, I think this is a great example of racing bodies trying new things, innovating if you will.  The symmetry between Kosciuszko and Everest i personally think is quite clever as RNSW looks to build out this big day of racing.  This site in particular has often lamented a lack of innovation so I think its great to see different things being tried and new race days being built out.

Nationally, with the Caulfield Guineas and a slew of other good races being run on the same day, this will become Australia's #1 racing Saturday and you'd expect that the betting figures will follow. The MRC are an unwitting partner in this mammoth day of racing.

I cannot understand all the negativity that we saw when it was first announced - other from those who would criticize the head of Racing NSW if he says "boo" in public.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Jul-31, 11:05 PM

Highway robbery -- a bad idea made worse by another

The contrived popularity of the 'highway' races by administrators does not translate for punters.

The new 'mountain highway' race does not respect punters either --  without comparable form it is just another race to be avoided bar the usual focus on a couple of trainers with a good strike rate.

As for punters buying 'tickets' there are two things to say -- first buying a ticket will not  appeal to many punters and, second, it is hardly fair to ask punters to kick the tin to provide ear-marked prize-money when they are already being taxed excessively to provide the prize-money.

.... RacingNSW should have simply drawn tickets from the TAB account holders that placed bets on a nominated race run one month before.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: turfdeli on 2018-Aug-03, 10:37 AM
Was just looking through some old results and collecting some data and came across this - what happened here?


Thank you for your enquiry.
Due to a technical issue, pari-mutuel betting on round 5 of the AFL FootyTab was abandoned. All the pool money was refunded for AFL Round 5 FootyTab.
Regards,
TAB Customer Support
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Aug-05, 05:26 PM
This is a big ask philby, but is there any chance Sky can put a camera behind the barrier stalls focused on Chautauqua in his trial on Tuesday at Rosehill - like racing.com did when he trialed down there?

Cheers.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Aug-06, 02:50 PM

What's the barometer saying about the weather on Kosciusko?

............ would RacingNSW like to publish a 'barometer' progress tally for the sales of $5 tickets to fund the mountain race.

The format would be the hoped for 'total' at the top and the weekly climb of tickets paid for.

.... this would serve as an intelligence test for the punters.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Aug-06, 03:03 PM
What's the barometer saying about the weather on Kosciusko?

............ would RacingNSW like to publish a 'barometer' progress tally for the sales of $5 tickets to fund the mountain race.

The format would be the hoped for 'total' at the top and the weekly climb of tickets paid for.

.... this would serve as an intelligence test for the punters.
Pete, thanks for the question but one probably best directed to RNSW. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Aug-06, 03:22 PM
This is a big ask philby, but is there any chance Sky can put a camera behind the barrier stalls focused on Chautauqua in his trial on Tuesday at Rosehill - like racing.com did when he trialed down there?

Cheers.
Gday PP7, we asked but were denied by the stewards.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Aug-06, 05:11 PM


Mountain Race -- need to know.

TAB is selling the tickets and TAB should ask RNSW to allow the publication.

TAB is required to keep punters informed of the development of 'bettig pools'

I need guidance on when to consider placing a bet.

If there is an ambition to raise $1million -- 200,000 tickets -- the market needs to be informed.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2018-Aug-06, 09:33 PM

Mountain Race -- need to know.

TAB is selling the tickets and TAB should ask RNSW to allow the publication.

TAB is required to keep punters informed of the development of 'bettig pools'

I need guidance on when to consider placing a bet.

If there is an ambition to raise $1million -- 200,000 tickets -- the market needs to be informed.

those that do form are informed
before buying tickets i checked , they are selling 250000 tickets

a few mates and myself decided to buy a few tickets and have some fun

get lucky and head to Randwick suited up

some people do that , you know have a throw at the stumps have fun

although ya need friends for that    lol

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2018-Aug-06, 09:35 PM
maybe Monty will take you ?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Aug-07, 07:55 AM


................  this scheme is nuts, rats............the punters contributing the prizemoney twice
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Aug-07, 09:03 AM

Mountain Race -- need to know.

TAB is selling the tickets and TAB should ask RNSW to allow the publication.

TAB is required to keep punters informed of the development of 'bettig pools'

I need guidance on when to consider placing a bet.

If there is an ambition to raise $1million -- 200,000 tickets -- the market needs to be informed.
Thanks Pete for your ongoing interest in the innovative Kosciusko concept.  My understanding is that this is a sweep stake so Tab's doesn't have the obligations you imply.  I would encourage you to direct your questions to main promotor: Racing NSW.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Aug-07, 09:52 AM

................  this scheme is nuts, rats............the punters contributing the prizemoney twice

No ones twisting your are you dingbat.

Not to partake is your decision but don’t dare to speak for others
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Aug-07, 09:07 PM

sweepstakes?

.......the only sweeping is the hype asking punters to buy a ticket........ and at stake is the chance of negotiating a decision that the winners would have no idea how to proceed.

Why would anyone have ever expected this nonsense to sell tickets?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Aug-08, 06:47 AM
sweepstakes?

.......the only sweeping is the hype asking punters to buy a ticket........ and at stake is the chance of negotiating a decision that the winners would have no idea how to proceed.

Why would anyone have ever expected this nonsense to sell tickets?
Thanks Pete, much like today’s discussion in the media about a racetrack for Central Melbourne I applaud the racing industry for continually looking to innovate.  The Kosciusko is one such innovation that is to be applauded.  I only wish I could buy a ticket.  Cheers, Philby


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Aug-08, 08:56 AM
I'm quite happy to let Peter talk for me here because I agree with him completely.

This is a lottery where you have to win twice before seeing any financial benefit.......and a concept?...it's just a gimmick

Never really understood the fun in losing money.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Aug-08, 06:45 PM
Nemesis
If your talking big bucks yes I agree with you , but $5 for a bit of fun, hardly worth slashing the wrists  over.
There’s a great prize on offer and throwing a fiver at it is okay by most,
Given I have 5 coffees a day, is it really that bad
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2018-Aug-08, 06:50 PM
For those who do not like the concept it is really quite simple.

Don't buy a ticket.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Aug-08, 07:56 PM

Don't buy a ticket may be good advice

......... the problem is that the marketing is intended to induce punters to buy a ticket .... and the punters at risk include those in rural 'highway territory' who may be susceptible to supporting local heros.

Races for country horses in Sydney is a contradiction in terms -- it is deceiving country people to pay-up for a run in Sydney, pretending it is a metropolitan 'winner'.

I  support two slots being allocated to country horses in races like the Epsom but the qualifying races should be run in rural areas.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Aug-08, 11:01 PM
For those who do not like the concept it is really quite simple.

Don't buy a ticket.

Well said mate. And as philby said for those who cannot read. There is no issue here relating to the TAB. It is a Racing NSW thing.

Why is it polluting this thread which has an express purpose?

You want to whinge and whine about the race. Open your own thread. You can go knock yourself out with your negativity there.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2018-Aug-08, 11:15 PM
You people just don't get it, Pete is able to jump tall buildings in a single bound, he is faster than a speeding Bullet, stronger than a Locomotive and when he is is disguise as the mild mannered Pete Mair he is still looking after us, protecting us from evil......no wait that is that other fella God.....Pete is the one with the Big Red "S"

for mine I do agree with him, this lottery is for fools that are easily parted from their money.....but that is just me, I don't buy Lottery tickets, I don't let some one else decide what races I bet into(Quadrellas)....and I don't let someone else decide what horse I back(Quadrellas)....I punt to win!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Aug-09, 07:39 AM
Well said mate. And as philby said for those who cannot read. There is no issue here relating to the TAB. It is a Racing NSW thing.

Why is it polluting this thread which has an express purpose?

You want to whinge and whine about the race. Open your own thread. You can go knock yourself out with your negativity there.
The advertisement for the Kosciuszko has been given top right on my TAB page.......the favoured, can't miss spot.

That would make it a NSW TAB  related issue in my book.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Aug-09, 08:24 AM

The hype is now spruiking a mountain Calcutta to boost ticket sales


........this is a new dimension to the intelligence test



To those who are not familiar with a Calcutta it can be a confusing concept to grasp.  It is a combination of a raffle and auction. Firstly, tickets are sold (like a raffle) for $10 each and each ticket gives the purchaser a chance of drawing a horse that is racing in the Melbourne Cup. There is a minimum spend of $500 on tickets per table. The more tickets purchased, the higher the chances of drawing a horse and becoming a ‘horse owner’. The number of horses in the race corresponds with the amount of tickets drawn.  For example if there are 24 horses racing in the Melbourne Cup than 24 tickets will be pulled out of the barrel. Those who have their ticket drawn become the owner of that horse.

Following the ticket draw each horse than goes up for auction and the person with the winning bid becomes the new owner of that horse. The original owner of each horse receives 50 per cent of the auctioned value. The rest of the proceeds go into the ‘winning pool’. The original owners are also able to bid on their own horses, which may be appealing if the horse is favoured to run well.

Once all of the horses are auctioned, the ‘winning pool’ is tallied and pre-set dividends are distributed to fourth place ($1,000), fifth place ($750) and last ($500). The remainder of the pool is allocated to first (70 per cent of the pool), second (20 per cent of the pool) and third prize (10 per cent of the pool).
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Aug-09, 08:43 AM

Bring it to book


The advertisement for the Kosciuszko has been given top right on my TAB page.......the favoured, can't miss spot.

That would make it a NSW TAB  related issue in my book.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Aug-09, 10:00 AM

The 'free press' is reporting new 'news' on the mountain race



The Kosciuszko to feature Australia's largest Calcutta

Australia’s largest calcutta will be held on The Kosciuszko in October with a starting pool of $100,000 being guaranteed as part of the sales from the $5 sweepstakes tickets.

There is a second chance for ticket holders to win...........12 tickets will be drawn for a horse in the calcutta and get 50 per cent of what the horse brings at a public auction, which is part of the tradition of bush racing. The pool for the calcutta, which will be held in the days leading into the race, could exceed $300,000.

“There will be a $100,000 from ticket sales to start the pool and we think it will be the largest calcutta in Australia.'

“We are in the process of organising a venue where it could be broadcast live on Sky channel, so that registered bidders will be able to sit at home and bid on the horses. A $5 ticket really gives people two opportunities to win. They could win a slot and have a horse running in the race for them or they could draw a horse and get a big windfall from the calcutta.”

"The tickets are starting to become very popular and teaming with pubs is certainly working. This is a way for anyone to become involved in the biggest racing event," .............. we are happy with the way it is tracking with ticket sales so far."
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Aug-09, 12:17 PM
I lov3 a Calcutta. Often have attended one In line with  the Melbourne cup
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2018-Aug-17, 02:33 PM
I have been one of the TAB's harshest critics but on Saturday they are doing something I have never seen before, they are betting the best price on almost every horse at Randwick and Caulfield, betting on average 15% better prices than all the other corporates, to be betting around 110% on nearly every races(with the exception of races with emergencies, and even then they are still 15% under all the others....simply amazing, I had closed my account.....now I have to reopen it....give credit where credit is due
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Aug-17, 02:39 PM
I have been one of the TAB's harshest critics but on Saturday they are doing something I have never seen before, they are betting the best price on almost every horse at Randwick and Caulfield, betting on average 15% better prices than all the other corporates, to be betting around 110% on nearly every races(with the exception of races with emergencies, and even then they are still 15% under all the others....simply amazing, I had closed my account.....now I have to reopen it....give credit where credit is due
Thanks Dave, rest assured that Customer feedback does not go unnoticed. Hopefully with your winnings you'll look at buying a Kosciusko ticket. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Aug-17, 06:24 PM
Website has been down awhile
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Aug-17, 06:37 PM
Back up now


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Aug-29, 01:41 PM
Philby42

Any ideas on this outage preventing betting for 30 minutes or so to 2pm....

CAMGWY Not Available

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Aug-30, 01:18 PM
Philby42

Any ideas on this outage preventing betting for 30 minutes or so to 2pm....

CAMGWY Not Available

Fours
Fours, out of the office yesterday so just picked up on this issue now.  It appears we had a technical issue between 1.30 and 1.50 yesterday that prevented accessing to account bets. Regards, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Aug-30, 01:22 PM
Philby42,

Thanks...... of course 3 out of 3 races I could not bet on would have been successful.... and the bets either side I could get on were not.....

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2018-Sep-07, 10:38 AM
Well I shoulda known the Romance wouldn't last...............Screwed by the dishonest TAB again.....only recently rejoined the TAB after being screwed previously on deductions, but I digress....this time they had a special money back offer if your horse runs second or 3rd......a couple of my bets ran 2nd/3rd and no bonus bets.......I was told I didn't qualify cos I misused a previous bonus?? How the F*#k do you misuse a bonus bet?....I backed a winner with it??.....never, never ,never bet with that low organisation again..............I really don't blame them this time, the anger is directed inwards, it is my fault, I know what they are like, I know who they are....if you sleep with dogs you wake up with Fleas.......all over a couple of $50 bonus bets.....how petty can you get?.....good luck if you bet with them......I prefer to bet with honest bookies, Bookies who honour their promises, bookies who care about customer service i.e NOT the TAB
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Sep-07, 11:08 AM
Dave, are you able to give us a little more information?

If it is as you say surely you would be protected by consumer laws.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2018-Sep-07, 02:33 PM
It is verbatim as I stated it, I had several bets with the TAB last Saturday (won on the day) but took advantage of their offer of bonus bets up to $50 if any were placed at Caulfield and Randwick, 2 were, Kementari at Caulfield and Sambro at Rosehill.....no bonus bets by the end of the day.....waited till Monday and called Customer service....Sargent Shulz answered the phone....they know nothing, they will send a message to the "marketing department" who would get back to me.....by Thursday still nothing, so call again, Now I don't want to get anyone into Trouble, the girls were doing their level best to find out what was happening, I was finally told that I had misused the promotion in the past?? I only opened the account on friday the 31st August after being closed for about 8 or 9 months.......How do you misuse a bonus Bet? no one could tell me what they were talking about....and of course they won't let you talk to anyone in Authority i.e. the "Marketing Dept"
Bottom Line I was a fool for reopening the account, my fault and I take full responsibility for my naivety .........not like it was the first time but the 3rd Time the TAB hasn't honoured their Promise......they said they had sent me an email stating that I was not eligible for the bonus........but when they are alleged to have sent that email my account was CLOSED!  lies, lies, lies....and no one knows anything....they should be running a Prisoner Of War camp.........not a Betting agency.....all over now, Account closed for good this time, the money doesn't really matter....I have their real money and they have my bonus bets....and they can stick it where the Sun don't Shine!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2018-Sep-10, 01:25 PM
DELETED:

Quite uncalled for mate......keep your negative comments restricted to TABCorp and not someone answering on their behalf.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2018-Sep-12, 08:25 PM
well he took the compliment for them? either he is spokesman or he isn't.......feedback ain't as important as was stated eh? I was surprised he went missing in action, that probably ain't as unusual as I suspected....it wasn't personally directed at an individual, it was directed at what I thought was a TAB spokesperson who did not respond to my problem.....if he had answered as he did with my compliment this would not have escalated
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Sep-16, 09:44 AM

Kosciusko --  what happened and what happens next

Disclosure of 'what happened' with the proposed sale of 250,000 $5 tickets has been a bit scant.

How many were sold and what was the split between account customers and for 'over the counter' the split between Sydney metropolitan and other venues.

The next steps will also be interesting -- presumably the 'winners' are now effectively negotiating a bet on eligible horses -- some will 'cost' more than others in terms of the split of the prize-money with connections.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Sep-16, 01:14 PM


How much industry money was spent buying tickets?

I was intrigued by this:

“As ticketing draws to a close there has been a number of NSW race clubs that have taken the opportunity to purchase tickets for, and on behalf of, their members in an effort to win a slot in The Kosciusko. And there is still time for clubs to be involved and further support the event by obtaining tickets at a club level.”

.....and might one suggest that RNSW give 'winners' a hand to get a fair price for their ticket

Each winning ticket holder will then have a ‘slot’ in The Kosciuszko and can select a NSW country-trained horse to race as their entry, subject to agreeing with the horse’s owners as to how they will share the prizemoney for the race.


I do not consider this scheme has been properly thought through.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Sep-16, 02:09 PM
It would be interesting to get the true figures for this "concept" but I guess we will never know.

I can't help wondering about Tabcorp's investment in The Everest with the "emerging young trainer"  Ben Smith and his horse In Her Time.

Maybe a few things not thought through.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Sep-17, 09:42 AM

Kosciusko kapers -- AFL is a another sport that has 'balls ups'

We really should get to see RNSW's  internal papers that produced the idea for the Kosciusko kaper.

Press reports suggest the ideas men are fuming about the way it has turned out -- it is the ticket buyers that should be fuming and asking for a refund.

Not only were the punters offered the opportunity to cough up over $1 million+ to pay the prize money -- they were implicitly offered the prospect of being an 'owner for the day' with entitlements to sharing the prize money.

Sucked in.

Kosciuszko deals not in the spirit of the race

The rumoured deals for Kosciuszko favourites Care To Think and Victorem have left those who came up with the concept fuming.

The owners of the leading contenders are asking for up to 90 per cent of stakes in the slots race that is restricted to country gallopers. It is clearly not in the spirit of the concept.

Racing NSW is going to review every aspect of the $1.3 million race after its first running and standard contracts look sure to come in.

There is a chance that a slot holder who does a 50-50 deal could end up with more money for running second, third or fourth than the winning slot holder with one of the favourites.


Hopefully ' once is more than enough' is the verdict for this kaper -- and the full facts should be disclosed, including by TABCORP that collected the money (how much and from whom?)



Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Sep-17, 11:18 AM
For once Peter might be right - credit where credit is due,

Once I saw the word 'negotiate' I was never going to buy a ticket but each to his own.

Of course the slot holders are in far too good a place to 'negotiate' and common sense alone should not have allowed negotiation but set %'s; of course the % could vary with the odds of the horse.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Sep-17, 09:12 PM
Under legislation in Victoria any organisation selling raffle tickets is obliged to divulge the prizes offered and the number of tickets in the prize draw, With this Kosciusko "raffle " I gather the number of tickets sold is only known after sales are closed. It could 1 million or 5 million @ $5 a throw. With the draw limited to the number horses in the race I  reckon the chances of actually  drawing a horse are astronomical and then to draw the winner are x times that chance , As far as I am concerned, I will give purchasing a ticket  a BIG miss.
I prefer the odds a little more my way.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Sep-17, 09:28 PM


Not paying attention

I was 'right' once before -- 'fours' could ask wily?

Luckily for bubba -- ticket sales closed last Thursday.

Whatever, the proffered climb up the mountain was fundamentally flawed from the outset.

......... no one should have bought a ticket   --and those that said anyone should buy a ticket should be given a new job.

There are vacancies with the major banks and insurance companies where thy may fit in.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Sep-17, 10:01 PM
Ratcliffe, Cavanough Rapt With Monstar Deal For Kosciuszko

Last year Paul Ratcliffe heard stories of what it’s like to be a winning owner on Everest Day.

In just under a month he could find out first hand after a whirlwind weekend which saw him draw a slot in The Kosciuszko and secure a deal to race The Monstar with trainer Brett Cavanough and the gelding’s owners in the $1.3 million race.

Ratcliffe, who manages a car dealership and workshop at Tuggerah, knows one of the owners of inaugural Everest winner Redzel and is now looking forward to getting out to Royal Randwick himself on October 13.

“For the average person like me to be a part of this is phenomenal,’’ he said.

“A mate of mine has a percentage in Redzel and when they won the Everest he was elated.’’

So how did Ratcliffe come to settle on The Monstar?

Each Saturday he has a drink and a punt with mates and one particular friend’s son, young racing enthusiast Ben O’Connell, was charged with the job of finding a suitable horse.

“He’s a freak when it comes to horses. He knows he can carry weight, he does the homework,’’ Ratcliffe said.

“He should do what you blokes do, he should be in the industry.

“There were a couple of other horses but I like The Monstar and we decided to go for it.’’

Cavanough fielded eight individual calls about his Group 2 winning sprinter before finalising a deal which he’s happy to reveal was 75/25.

So it is 75% to connections and 25% to slot holder/sweepstakes winner.  :chin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Sep-17, 10:06 PM
BTW. This race has nothing to do with TABCorp.

It is a Racing NSW/AHA promotion according to the web site

https://thekosciuszko.com.au/

I will open a thread for The Kosciuszko which seems to be of much interest all of a sudden.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2018-Sep-17, 10:49 PM
Under legislation in Victoria any organisation selling raffle tickets is obliged to divulge the prizes offered and the number of tickets in the prize draw, With this Kosciusko "raffle " I gather the number of tickets sold is only known after sales are closed. It could 1 million or 5 million @ $5 a throw. With the draw limited to the number horses in the race I  reckon the chances of actually  drawing a horse are astronomical and then to draw the winner are x times that chance , As far as I am concerned, I will give purchasing a ticket  a BIG miss.
I prefer the odds a little more my way.

thanks Bubba , AFAIK tickets where limited to 250,000  ( I would think Racing NSW is conversant with the rules )

but kick some behinds if it suits your agenda     lol
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Sep-18, 07:39 AM
Spot on rats. No ones getting their arm twisted to buy a ticket. Getting ones knickers in a knot over $5 is rather shameful.
Im shattered I missed out. Bought a few for some fun and would have loved a runner.
Oh well next year :bop:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Sep-18, 08:05 AM

TAB is part of the kosciusko kaper.

I consider this kaper does have much to do with Tabcorp.

Tickets were bought at TAB agencies and on account and presumably registered.

So far there is no real information about the sales of tickets and how much was contributed by race clubs and others using funds contributed by punters for other purposes.

The most likely source for this disclosure would be the TAB.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Sep-18, 08:46 AM
Who cares who bought tickets. Do you want an audit on lotto tickets as well
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Sep-18, 10:44 AM

We should care

If the tickets were not sold RNSW would have had to kick the tin to make up the shortfall.

There will be tears before bedtime.

I think this was a 'oncer'.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Sep-18, 11:18 AM
Who cares who bought tickets. Do you want an audit on lotto tickets as well
People should care Wily.

The who cares attitude just allows big business to feed it's customers bullshit.

It would be good to see the true figures because all we will hear on 2KSky is what a resounding success the concept has been.

Can you imagine if anybody actually had to pay for the 24/7 advertising and promotion for the race on the Tabcorp broadcasting arms.

The full page add I got the other day for the race when I logged in to my TAB account seemed to have a hint of desperation about it.

If it has been a good idea put up the figures so we can make up our own minds.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Sep-18, 11:35 AM

Will you buy next year?

It will be interesting to hear the reactions of those individuals that bought tickets.

It will depend a bit on the outcome of the race and who got what but $5 for one chance in 250,000 is expensive if the 'return' on the winning ticket is almost all taken by the connections.

........an ordinary lottery ticket would be a better buy.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Sep-18, 07:10 PM
Rats wrote "thanks Bubba , AFAIK tickets where limited to 250,000  ( I would think Racing NSW is conversant with the rules )

but kick some behinds if it suits your agenda"


Fair enough, is that why sales have closed  ? Just the same it is a clever marketing ploy to get punters to enter a lottery.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Sep-18, 07:34 PM
Bubba, as punters we love a lottery. That’s why we take quaddies & F4s hoping for a massive divvy rather than a  paltry return
I got the F4 10 times on winx's race but not many would have walked away happy with the $6 Tri or the $11 F4 divvy compared to snaring a fat quaddy
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Oct-03, 03:23 PM
Anyone having issues with the 'Everest Climber' on the app?

Mine tells me I've already entered even though I haven't  :what:  :shrug:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2018-Oct-03, 07:11 PM
Can't log into either tab.com.au accounts NSW or ACT anyone else having problems, was fine up till about 30 minutes ago.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: arakaan on 2018-Oct-03, 07:21 PM
yes westie has been playing up i wanted to back the 1 a place in the hannans and couldn't log on. Of course it runs 3rd at $7 a place fixed. Yay.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2018-Oct-03, 07:25 PM
Thanks Arakaan for the reply. Have tried customer service twice 10 minutes apart the message is : the line is busy or not being answered  :rant:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2018-Oct-03, 08:01 PM
I am still logged in from a few hours ago but there is a message saying betting is unavailable.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Oct-03, 08:55 PM
I've had no issues logging onto the website or the app, I've taken $5.5 plus an odds boost for Exoteric in the Port Cup after missing the $6 on SB  :shutup:

Here's hoping that's a good omen although I still can't climb Everest  :shy:   :lol:  
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2018-Oct-03, 09:12 PM
Update, can log into both accounts now.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Oct-04, 01:46 AM
Philby42,

Rewards button seems to have disappeared for existing members.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Oct-11, 10:27 AM
Philby42,

Rewards button seems to have disappeared for existing members.

Fours
Fours, apols for delay in responding but should all be ok now with new and improved rewards offer now available.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Oct-11, 10:29 AM
Anyone having issues with the 'Everest Climber' on the app?

Mine tells me I've already entered even though I haven't  :what:  :shrug:
Gin, apols for delay but there were some tech issues that should be resolved now. Cheers, P2
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Oct-13, 10:36 AM
Hello, if you are like me and can't make it to Randwick today, don't forget that you can drop in via the new AR functionality on the Tab apps (ios and android). Cheers, P2
(https://i.postimg.cc/VJT2pfKk/Image-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VJT2pfKk)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-18, 08:47 AM
Philby
Why won’t the tab consider a parimutuel cups double bet like they used to.

Obviously the fixed odds are a focus for them but it would be a good promo
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Oct-18, 09:34 AM
Philby
Why won’t the tab consider a parimutuel cups double bet like they used to.

Obviously the fixed odds are a focus for them but it would be a good promo

Thanks Wily, appreciate the suggestion.  "Feature Doubles" as they were known back in the day were reasonably complex from a participant perspective.  Therefore customers looking to place doubles bets are offered the fixed odds alternative as you alluded to.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Oct-19, 08:25 PM
 

SKY CHANNEL 528 -- ARSES AND ELBOWS

There is no point putting a TV show to air unless people know when it is on

The 'live form' program advertised as 6.30 to 7.30 pm -- on both the sky program and the 528 program seems to have gone to air an hour earlier.

This is illustrative of an abject failure of SKY management to know what they are doing when.

It is poor form.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Spudda028 on 2018-Oct-19, 08:44 PM
Is there anything about the racing industry that actually provides you with any joy? Whinge , whinge farkin whinge - give it a rest mate , we’ve had a gutfull
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Oct-20, 01:12 PM


SKY CHANNEL 528 -- ARSES AND ELBOWS

There is no point putting a TV show to air unless people know when it is on

The 'live form' program advertised as 6.30 to 7.30 pm -- on both the sky program and the 528 program seems to have gone to air an hour earlier.

This is illustrative of an abject failure of SKY management to know what they are doing when.

It is poor form.

Gday Pete, what state were you in when all this occurred. Cheers Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Oct-20, 01:29 PM
Gday Pete, what state were you in when all this occurred. Cheers Philby

Going by a lot of his posts many would say intoxicated  :shy:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Oct-20, 01:32 PM
Gday Pete, what state were you in when all this occurred. Cheers Philby

Four sheets to the wind.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Oct-20, 06:24 PM


NSW

[that was good gin]
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-21, 05:37 PM
Philby, hope your well :thumbsup:

Mate, what are the chances of getting the ex Australian names in the field or form guides for horses racing in HK.

After all it’s like another state of our great racing nation up there

Eg, Hello Beauty In the 9th up their was a slashing good 2yo here that ran 2nd to sunlight in the MM in January
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Oct-21, 07:10 PM
Philby, hope your well :thumbsup:

Mate, what are the chances of getting the ex Australian names in the field or form guides for horses racing in HK.

After all it’s like another state of our great racing nation up there

Eg, Hello Beauty In the 9th up their was a slashing good 2yo here that ran 2nd to sunlight in the MM in January
Thanks Wily, hope life is all apples for you as well and you are managing to find your fair share of winners.  I am looking into your request to see what might be possible.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-22, 07:43 AM
Thanks Philby
From a marketing point of view it’s a no brainer

People will be far more inclined to bet into that market if they are familiar with the horses

Racingandsports have the ability to do it in their data base s9 I would suggest it’s easy for the TAB

https://www.racingandsports.com.au/horse/hello-beauty-1192820
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Oct-22, 07:27 PM


Why would anyone make a comment like this?

Thanks Wily, hope life is all apples for you as well and you are managing to find your fair share of winners.  I am looking into your request to see what might be possible.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-23, 06:05 AM
What’s wrong with it?

And philby actually answers the questions put to him.
Unlike you :bulb:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Oct-23, 10:29 AM

Why would anyone make a comment like this?

Thanks Wily, hope life is all apples for you as well and you are managing to find your fair share of winners.  I am looking into your request to see what might be possible.  Cheers, Philby

Peter.

Can you please review your own posts?

If you click on your own name you can then select another button that shows your own posts.

You are being far too negative - probably putting it mildly.

If you have absolutely zero positive things to say about racing then maybe you should consider following another sport.

In regard to philby, I endorse what wily is saying 100%.

He is voluntarily giving his time to act as TAB rep on this forum. He always addresses the issues raised but he is not the person responsible for the TAB operations and as such does not deserve the insult you just threw at him.

He is always polite in his responses and having had the privilege of speaking to him I can tell you he is a fantastic fella.

Phil is a very popular forum member and posts like the one you just made will not be tolerated in future. He is not some punching bag you can let fly at just because you may have an issue with the TAB. And I know just about every long term forum member would concur with this.

Thanks for your co-operation.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Oct-23, 08:42 PM



There is more than a bit of 'ying' and 'yang' here

Yin and yang can be thought of as complementary (rather than opposing) forces that interact to form a dynamic system in which the whole is greater than the assembled parts. According to this philosophy, everything has both yin and yang aspects (for instance, shadow cannot exist without light).

I readily plead guilty to being negative on a forum where balance seems to be resisted.

War -- diplomacy by other means -- tends to be a bit negative:  even nice volunteers get also shot -- my reputation is riddled with bullet holes.

........maybe a fuller answer next week.....and ahead of that please post suggested drafts.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-24, 06:28 AM
Balance isn’t being resisted

Everyone here has been critical of the industry at some stage. Do your research and it’s clear

You’re  the one lacking balance. Time and time you’ve been proven wrong but refuse to accept it

I suggest you re read PPs post that he directed to you and make sure it sinks in this time
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Oct-24, 11:08 AM
Wily

All this PM-driven angst of yours is doing you no good at all.

Chill out and smell the roses.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-24, 02:09 PM
No angst at all mate. Those days are well gone by but I don’t mind replying to his crap  :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Oct-24, 04:56 PM


There is more than a bit of 'ying' and 'yang' here

Yin and yang can be thought of as complementary (rather than opposing) forces that interact to form a dynamic system in which the whole is greater than the assembled parts. According to this philosophy, everything has both yin and yang aspects (for instance, shadow cannot exist without light).

I readily plead guilty to being negative on a forum where balance seems to be resisted.

War -- diplomacy by other means -- tends to be a bit negative:  even nice volunteers get also shot -- my reputation is riddled with bullet holes.

........maybe a fuller answer next week.....and ahead of that please post suggested drafts.
Can't see how Philby would be insulted by PM's comment....I'm sure he would have just rolled his eyes.
It's already stated here that Philby is under no obligation to respond so everyone  knows that.

For PM to be pinged for that comment after what he cops on here is ridiculous.
If P Mair is ever expelled from here then expel me as well......BTW excellent post above Peter.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2018-Oct-24, 08:04 PM

Why would anyone make a comment like this?

Thanks Wily, hope life is all apples for you as well and you are managing to find your fair share of winners.  I am looking into your request to see what might be possible.  Cheers, Philby

fairly simple nemesis
I would think PP7 would be talking about this comment from PM
think ?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-25, 07:45 AM
Spot on Rats.
Totally uncalled for response from Mair

Well done to PP for standing up to the crap
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2018-Oct-27, 08:44 PM
I placed a bet with the tab on fixed odds win in regards to the bonus bet special for Moonee Valley if the horse finishes 2nd or 3rd.

My horse Fundamentalist came 2nd. As Bonus bet was not credited, I rang up the TAB, the rep told me because I placed a fixed odds place prior to my win bet, I do not qualify. I asked her where this was on the ad or terms and conditions and she could not say. To say she was a joke would be an understatement. She then had to check with someone else and then came back to advise it will take a few days to process and I was entitled to the bonus bet.

I then rang the TAB again tonight to find out what happened and was told no one did anything about it and now they have to send an email to the team to get it created. Spoke to supervisor called Khoda and he stated he will follow up. He could not give me the name of the operator this afternoon or why it was not actioned.

This bonus bet is a joke and explains why the TAB lose their customers. Their service is deplorable and the official reason given was that the same prop number was used for the place bet. I wonder how many other customers were affected and have the TAB checked their accounts.

 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Oct-28, 09:13 AM


Clearing the decks about Tabcorp and its responsibilities


My understanding is that Tabcorp underwrites funding for this forum -- a very welcome contribution.

This is especially so in an industry that more generally seems to have the racing media in a squirrel-grip precluding any semblance of the 'fearless independence' displayed in the investigating and reporting of other matters.

I am nonetheless uneasy about a Tabcorp 'volunteer' being responsible for fielding questions about Tabcorp which are more likely to be complaints than praise -- and unlikely to be put and answered anywhere else.

Much as we all appreciate 'Philby' volunteering, he represents Tabcorp and it would be entirely appropriate for his remuneration in his day job to reflect his acceptance and conduct of this responsibility.
 

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Oct-28, 09:25 AM

Clearing the decks about Tabcorp and its responsibilities


My understanding is that Tabcorp underwrites funding for this forum -- a very welcome contribution.

This is especially so in an industry that more generally seems to have the racing media in a squirrel-grip precluding any semblance of the 'fearless independence' displayed in the investigating and reporting of other matters.

I am nonetheless uneasy about a Tabcorp 'volunteer' being responsible for fielding questions about Tabcorp which are more likely to be complaints than praise -- and unlikely to be put and answered anywhere else.

Much as we all appreciate 'Philby' volunteering, he represents Tabcorp and it would be entirely appropriate for his remuneration in his day job to reflect his acceptance and conduct of this responsibility.

Peter
You obviously read only your own contributions to the forum.

Best to keep quiet rather than show ignorance.

Either that or work out how things do operate maybe by asking questions rather than posting pontifications.

Just an idea.




 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Oct-28, 09:36 AM


Apologies if I do not understand things that are not usually made clear -- does Tabcorp help fund the forum (as I recall reading)?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Oct-28, 11:06 AM

Clearing the decks about Tabcorp and its responsibilities


My understanding is that Tabcorp underwrites funding for this forum -- a very welcome contribution.


Incorrect.

There is a single banner ad and in return TAB covers the prizemoney for the main tipping comps - 3 per year.

Funding comes out of the pocket of Magic and the labour of running the site (including running the comps and admin) is done on a voluntary basis.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Oct-28, 11:31 AM

Thanks PP

Even so it is disappointing that the industry is behind a solid wall when  it comes to facing up to issues that should be openly disclosed, discussed and even investigated, including by professional media people apparently bound by omerta.

We can only  hope that 'Philby' continues to volunteer to field issues with Tabcorp.

Imagine if the racing industry was put through the wringer of anything like a royal commission as the banks are.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-28, 12:20 PM
Peter
You obviously read only your own contributions to the forum.

Best to keep quiet rather than show ignorance.

Either that or work out how things do operate maybe by asking questions rather than posting pontifications.

Just an idea.

He has zero interest in doing so. His subsequent posts prove his ignorance of anything that is not peter mair
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Oct-28, 12:24 PM


There is a single banner ad and in return TAB covers the prizemoney for the main tipping comps - 3 per year.


Incorrect

The TAB contributes to three tipping comps.

Some regard them as the "main" comps.

Others don't.

Others (a handful or so) regard a comp that has been going on this forum since 2009 as the "main" comp.

This comp is the Weekday Tipping Comp for which a prize or two is funded by participants in a moment of weakness but the real attraction is the daily competition.   


Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-28, 12:31 PM
Incorrect

The TAB contributes to three tipping comps.

Some regard them as the "main" comps.

Others don't.

Others (a handful or so) regard a comp that has been going on this forum since 2009 as the "main" comp.

This comp is the Weekday Tipping Comp for which a prize or two is funded by participants in a moment of weakness but the real attraction is the daily competition.


And it’s an admirable contribution from those week day fellas. Supporting the forum in such a great way.

Others should take note and not abuse the joint for their own benefit :bulb:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Oct-28, 08:38 PM


Terrorgraph and Hun asking for even more money from punters

As I may again misunderstand it, are both these news-corpse tabloids are paid to run form guides and commentary on the racing industry -- especially in NSW and Victoria?

Recently both websites have been blocking access to the commentary and form analysis.

Blocking some 'exclusive' commentary that is usually fairly suspect is not a problem -- blocking the commentary on day to day racing news seems a step to far from the hand that feeds.

The SMH does not block access to its racing stories -- nor should the Terrorgraph.


[Incidentally, I entirely agree with the complete block on access to anything to do with The Australian published by news-corpse -- no one that does not belong to the club needs to read that.]
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Oct-28, 08:41 PM
Incorrect

The TAB contributes to three tipping comps.

Some regard them as the "main" comps.

Others don't.

Others (a handful or so) regard a comp that has been going on this forum since 2009 as the "main" comp.

This comp is the Weekday Tipping Comp for which a prize or two is funded by participants in a moment of weakness but the real attraction is the daily competition.

Sincerest apologies for using the word "main" in a superlative sense and referring to the TAB comps Geoffrey.

But you know what I meant  ;)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2018-Oct-28, 08:43 PM


Who is Geoffrey in real life?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-29, 06:02 AM
Another insider
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Oct-29, 09:55 AM

Who is Geoffrey in real life?

The best we can make out he is that he is a Souths supporting, Labor voting pot smoking hippy.   :biggrin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-29, 08:40 PM
He’s actually Stephen Waugh and god we could use him at the moment  :biggrin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Oct-30, 01:44 PM
Philby, hope your well :thumbsup:

Mate, what are the chances of getting the ex Australian names in the field or form guides for horses racing in HK.

After all it’s like another state of our great racing nation up there

Eg, Hello Beauty In the 9th up their was a slashing good 2yo here that ran 2nd to sunlight in the MM in January
Thanks Wily, hope the carnival is treating you well.  Have had a chat to the fellow who produces our form and we are looking into this.  Apparently the convention 20 years ago or so was to do exactly as you have asked however it has fallen away over the journey.  That being said I still think it is a great idea and will keep progressing.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Oct-30, 01:52 PM

Why would anyone make a comment like this?

Thanks Wily, hope life is all apples for you as well and you are managing to find your fair share of winners.  I am looking into your request to see what might be possible.  Cheers, Philby
Thanks Peter for your ongoing commentary, whilst I don't always agree with you, I am a strong believer in your right to express your point of view and you have always impressed me in the way that you generally play the ball and not the man/person.  You surprised a bit on this occasion with your question but there you go.  From my perspective I have got a lot of enjoyment over the journey commenting on this forum on matters pertaining to racing and on matters to pertaining to Tabcorp.   Meeting people on here has even lead to some real life catch ups on racecourses that I really enjoyed - some even sponsored by Tabcorp at a point in time.  I have never met Wily but found him to be a tremendous contributor on this forum and over the journey he has provided much feedback to the Tab.   For that reason I wished Wily all the best on this occasion, I have really appreciated his input over the journey.  I always welcome feedback on this forum and elsewhere because it gives us an opportunity to improve our offering to punters.  We are not perfect but we are on a never ending journey to improve - to get it right, a journey I really relish. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-30, 02:54 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-31, 10:57 AM
Hi Philby, another HK issue that Ive noticed.
Race 8 at Sha Tin tonight is on the all weather track but I cant see that noted anywhere on the betting page :thumbsup:


Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2018-Oct-31, 12:52 PM
Wily, not sure about the app but on the website where the weather and track conditions appear it is

Awt Fine
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-31, 01:04 PM
Thanks sobig :thumbsup:
You're right its there now. When I was looking this morning it wasn't there as it was before final scratchings I assume.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Nov-01, 04:51 PM
Congrats guys,

Nice innovation to have a big tipping comp on the site on Derby day.

Would be nice to see more of these.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Nov-03, 10:11 AM
Thanks 4s
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Nov-11, 10:44 AM
A couple of things for you philby :thumbsup:

Races 9 last night was listed as “good” & “overcast”.
 No mention that it was in the dirt track at sha tin

Hi Philby, another HK issue that Ive noticed.
Race 8 at Sha Tin tonight is on the all weather track but I cant see that noted anywhere on the betting page :thumbsup:


Also today’s G1 in Japan R11. Video replays not available for the last run of many horses including #12 behind a horse called Deirdre
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: bascoe on 2018-Nov-15, 10:44 AM
Kudos where it is due
Had an issue with some vouchers stored after TAB changed the rewards system - could not retrieve them but after a a few calls they were restored


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Nov-23, 07:27 PM
Hi Philby
Some vital video replays appear to be missing from tomorrow’s Ascot meeting.
Last start for the the tippy in the first. Why would that be 5he case?

Cheers
Title: Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ktown on 2018-Dec-08, 01:37 PM


Hi,
searched the internet can't find any data on winning tab numbers. need how many wins and prices or divs
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Dec-08, 02:21 PM
Do you need a record of past winners or future winners?

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2018-Dec-08, 11:33 PM
JWH,

I'll settle for the future winners thanks.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Dec-10, 04:00 PM
Hi Philby
Some vital video replays appear to be missing from tomorrow’s Ascot meeting.
Last start for the the tippy in the first. Why would that be 5he case?

Cheers
Gday Wily, hard to comment now.  I will try and get there sooner next time.  Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Dec-10, 04:01 PM
JWH,

I'll settle for the future winners thanks.

Fours
Me too
Title: Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Dec-10, 04:04 PM

Hi,
searched the internet can't find any data on winning tab numbers. need how many wins and prices or divs
the services at studio.tab.c.om.au may be able to assist, cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2018-Dec-10, 04:05 PM
For those that haven't heard, the following changes that the ANZ are making may have an impact for those who deposit with an ANZ credit card.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/anz-caps-credit-card-gambling-ditches-tobacco-investment-20181128-p50iyt.html

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: bascoe on 2019-Jan-25, 05:21 PM
Philby

Can you advise if the tabstudio documentation has been updated to include the trio bettype?

What will the bettype code be and will we be able to expose the trio pool size?

Bascoe




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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-25, 07:23 PM
Hope Philby still pokes his head in here occasionally despite the removal of the TAB sponsorship
They can do with the feedback
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Jan-26, 12:28 PM
Is it just me or is the taking of a multi / parlay just plain confusing on the TAB?

I consider myself across most things after 30 odd years of punting but this formula 2, 3, 4 etc is just over complicating things.

The boffins at Tabcorp might want to have a look at the simplicity of placing a multi on B365  ;) Add selections, choose stake for each line (doubles, treble, quads etc) hit bet. It's that simple.  8-)

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-27, 05:37 PM
Is it just me or is the taking of a multi / parlay just plain confusing on the TAB?

I consider myself across most things after 30 odd years of punting but this formula 2, 3, 4 etc is just over complicating things.

The boffins at Tabcorp might want to have a look at the simplicity of placing a multi on B365  ;) Add selections, choose stake for each line (doubles, treble, quads etc) hit bet. It's that simple.  8-)

Not sure Philby will be around to help Gin but I agree with you on the parlay situation

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-27, 05:39 PM
Hi Philby, another HK issue that Ive noticed.
Race 8 at Sha Tin tonight is on the all weather track but I cant see that noted anywhere on the betting page :thumbsup:

Sadly this is still happening. R6 was on the dirt and no info from the tab telling us :sad:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Jan-29, 08:43 PM


This omission  is not 'sadly'

...... it is a fundamental defect in the co-mingling contract .......as is the absence of SP data for the HK placegeters in the local Racenet form-guide.

RVL stands to be a major loser as Australian punters warm to the more convenient evening time-slot of HK racing and the better fit of race outcomes with the SP market.

..............RVL is slipping on the slope

 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2019-Jan-31, 10:05 AM
Sadly this is still happening. R6 was on the dirt and no info from the tab telling us :sad:
Wily - looking into how to best get this right.  Thanks for raising. Cheers, P2
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2019-Jan-31, 04:38 PM
Is it just me or is the taking of a multi / parlay just plain confusing on the TAB?

I consider myself across most things after 30 odd years of punting but this formula 2, 3, 4 etc is just over complicating things.

The boffins at Tabcorp might want to have a look at the simplicity of placing a multi on B365  ;) Add selections, choose stake for each line (doubles, treble, quads etc) hit bet. It's that simple.  8-)
Gin, thanks for your feedback.  We are currently looking into how to improve this.  Regards, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2019-Feb-03, 06:07 PM
Gin, thanks for your feedback.  We are currently looking into how to improve this.  Regards, Philby
8-)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-03, 08:12 PM
Gin, thanks for your feedback.  We are currently looking into how to improve this.  Regards, Philby

Great work Philby  :clap2:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-04, 06:25 AM
Gin,
Great work because they’re looking or it’s changed?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-04, 10:49 AM
Looking Wily, the wheels move slowly with the Jolly Green Giant but at least they might be turning   emthup
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-09, 02:46 PM
How do we know if they are racing on the Morphettville Parkside or lakeside course.
Tab nor Racenet form tells me.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-09, 03:46 PM
Wily going off http://www.racingaustralia.horse/home.aspx if you check the results they raced last week & Wednesday on the Parkside so I'm assuming this is the lakeside but that's a guess as it's not listed  :shrug:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-09, 04:51 PM
Poor effort from the TAB. Might as well tell us its Gawler or Pioneer Park :mad:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-17, 10:06 AM
Sadly the TAB have no videos for the Japan G1.

“Arriving shortly”....no they won’t
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2019-Feb-17, 12:08 PM
Thanks for raising Wily, technical team members are working to resolve.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Mar-01, 12:28 PM
I wonder is it normal practice for TAB to......

Have a horse scratched at 6.47 am ............in the interim scratchings at 7.30 and then final scr at 7.45am
Then back another horse at 7.52am not knowing TAB have not taken this horse out of the market thinking all scratchings are final , then be penalized a deduction when the bet is successful (for the above 6.47am scratching)

Does this mean we all have to assume TAB has done its job properly and taken scr out within a reasonable time frame (1 hour 7 minutes) when apparently market adjusted at 7.54am?
Original enquiry said it was for a late scratching which it most certainly was NOT, but still deny any responsibility and refuse to change the decision after review

Not very good form from TAB methinks and i wonder how many punters day in day get caught up in this reprehensible behaviour and just cop it sweet

Once Scratchings are in , imo you cant deduct 24 minutes after scratching time & think all punters are clued up but in reality being set up to be rorted
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Mar-01, 03:31 PM
I wonder is it normal practice for TAB to......

Have a horse scratched at 6.47 am ............in the interim scratchings at 7.30 and then final scr at 7.45am
Then back another horse at 7.52am not knowing TAB have not taken this horse out of the market thinking all scratchings are final , then be penalized a deduction when the bet is successful (for the above 6.47am scratching)

Does this mean we all have to assume TAB has done its job properly and taken scr out within a reasonable time frame (1 hour 7 minutes) when apparently market adjusted at 7.54am?
Original enquiry said it was for a late scratching which it most certainly was NOT, but still deny any responsibility and refuse to change the decision after review

Not very good form from TAB methinks and i wonder how many punters day in day get caught up in this reprehensible behaviour and just cop it sweet

Once Scratchings are in , imo you cant deduct 24 minutes after scratching time & think all punters are clued up but in reality being set up to be rorted


My guess is if you want any answer you'll need to post some identifying details.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Mar-01, 04:25 PM
25th Feb

Ipswich Race 4
Scr Countess Natalie @ 6.47am  and in interim scr at 7.30 and final scr at 7.45

Bet made at 7.52 am  via Dynamic odds with scr out but deductions applied
not right in anyway  shape or form



Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Mar-02, 01:15 PM
Per NSWTAB scratched @ 8.54.57  NSW TIME

COUNTESS NATALIE 163805 25/02/2019 08:54:57 10.00 10.00
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Mar-05, 01:30 PM
methinks the TAB avoiding this


JWH , the horse was NOT scratched  at 8.54 NSW time it was scr at 7.47 NSW time and was in both interim scr at 8.30 NSW time and final SCR at 8.45 NSW time
take off 1 hour to convert to QLD times ....

the bottom line is
horse was scr at 6.47/7.47 am and they took bets away from it for 1 hour 7 minutes before adjusting the market ...unacceptable especially when allowing to bet via dynamic odds which had the SCR out , website not used so werent to know they still had the other horses and after 1 hour of being scr would have thought it was already out.

You should NEVER have to accept a deduction AFTER final scr time for a horse that is NOT  a LATE SCR
The market should CLOSE at final scr time then reopen as soon as adjusted , other corps can do why not TABCORP?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Mar-05, 01:34 PM
If you ask nicely possibly P2 might shed some light.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Mar-05, 03:03 PM
If you ask nicely possibly P2 might shed some light.

pretty please can we have an explanation?  :love:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Mar-05, 03:31 PM
  :biggrin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Mar-07, 06:29 AM
Any answers from the TAB here??? any viewers avoiding the topic???


What an absolute disgrace , buyer beware!!
You can still get deductions 1 hour after scratched and even after final scratchings , they dont want to know  , you have to suck it up
Same odds elsewhere all future bets will get the business in future , is this what they want?

If they are slow re adjusting markets too bad you should not ever get deduction AFTER  final scratchings
You should take markets DOWN, get them back up again ASAP , you cannot rort the customer betting in good faith ever
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2019-Mar-07, 01:00 PM
stevo63,

They've had their fixed odds manager resign in bad circumstances so normal operations recently are likely to have been disrupted A LOT.

Maybe they will cathc up with you in time - try their help desk email ... so that you know they know .

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2019-Mar-07, 01:26 PM
If you ask nicely possibly P2 might shed some light.
I have read the thread, grateful for some time.  Couple of things going on at the moment.  As per the header on this thread, I will get to things on a 'best endeavour's'  basis.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Mar-08, 09:07 AM
ty
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-09, 05:23 PM


Deposit to TAB account, yesterday, apparently AOK -- but no money in the account today

Apparently TAB had an 'outage' with the recording of deposits to TAB accounts yesterday -- but waited until customers complained to start the recovery process.

Some 30 hours on my money is still lost in the ether -- and despite having all the deposit details -- and knowing that the money was not credited ------- nothing could be done bar making another deposit (and still waiting for the first to be found).

...............the TAB customer service response needs to be much better than that!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Mar-12, 02:42 PM
ttt please
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Mar-23, 10:36 AM
seems the tab thinks its ok to have a horse be scratched and 1 hour and 7 minutes later .............30 minutes after interim scratchings are declared (rarely a late scr after this time and if so are entitled to deduct - but only if declared  A LATE SCR)

just because it was a lowly monday ipswich meeting they think no one will query it, imagine if it happened on a Saturday main meeting the same scenario ....they should put a disclaimer on the website (and dynamic odds where this bet was placed with the scr out) ......please check our website to see if we have all the scratchings out as if we have been lazy you may cop a deduction.

It's truly a disgrace and they think they can just shrug it off .....its just not good enough.

LOL As i was typing this they send me a text message about bonus bets ....at the bottom it says gamble responsibly ......they should offer markets responsibly.....when a horse is scr at 6.47 not still be betting on it at 7.52 (22 minutes after scr deadline) and expect the punter to just cop it sweet
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Mar-23, 11:14 AM
Totally agree stevo
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Mar-30, 08:51 AM
thanks wily

still no answers


looks like a dead thread all must be well at tab , no concerns about customers getting rorted
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Apr-02, 07:09 AM
What a disgrace this company is ....1 month later , refuse to fix the issue and just ignore it ,hope it goes away....
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Apr-05, 09:13 AM
way to kill a thread !!!  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

call them out on something they are 100% in the wrong and watch it get ignored.......... :rant:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: specialweek2 on 2019-Apr-05, 12:08 PM
way to kill a thread !!!  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

call them out on something they are 100% in the wrong and watch it get ignored.......... :rant:
Perhaps philby can answer this. He has been a responsible contributor in the past.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Apr-06, 01:45 PM
7th march says he will look into it time permitting......................its a month later and nothing


TAB are way out of line here

All Qld time

Horse scr  at 6.47am
Interim scr 7.30am
Final Scr 7.45am (with no late scr)

Bet via Dynamic (who TAB allow betting thru and showing the scr out) at 7.52am

TAB say they adjust market 7.54am and says there is lag in the scr notification - stating horse scr at 7.47am when IN FACT it was scr at 6.47am

Deductions apply 24 minutes after interim scr and 7 minutes after final scr WITH no LATE scr

This is total garbage - the horse was scr 67 minutes prior to their market adjustment

The TAB will be dead over a period of time if they keep blurting on customers with this deduction scam , they need in the face of competition to stop skimming the small stuff be honorable to their customer and over time doing the right thing watch the business grow

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Apr-08, 06:46 PM


.......................this nonsense needs to stop

Another Victorian jockey has been charged with placing bets on horse races.

Nick Souquet, 45, has been charged by Racing Victoria stewards with placing 10 bets on horse races in November last year, none of which were in races he rode in.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Apr-08, 07:15 PM
What $ size were the bets
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2019-Apr-10, 05:41 PM
@stevo63, I have checked into the matter that you described and essentially the rule is that deductions will always apply from when we take the runner out of our market.    Whilst it is unfortunate that the runner was not scratched in our market at the time this bet was placed, the deduction was applied as the price would have been shorter should it have been already scratched when the bet was placed.

I would like to note that we are looking at how we can improve the timing of these going forward.

As always, thanks for your feedback.

Regards,

P2
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2019-Apr-10, 08:25 PM
@stevo63, I have checked into the matter that you described and essentially the rule is that deductions will always apply from when we take the runner out of our market.    Whilst it is unfortunate that the runner was not scratched in our market at the time this bet was placed, the deduction was applied as the price would have been shorter should it have been already scratched when the bet was placed.

I would like to note that we are looking at how we can improve the timing of these going forward.

As always, thanks for your feedback.

Regards,

P2

Well done as always P2 , well researched and a respectful answer .

thanks for your efforts .   
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2019-Apr-10, 09:17 PM
Well done as always P2 , well researched and a respectful answer .

thanks for your efforts .   
        I might add that Philby is under no oblication to add a response to the questions posed here, that he does is very much appreciated by me and I’m sure those others who take the time to log into the forum. 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: bascoe on 2019-Apr-10, 10:21 PM
Plus 1


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Apr-13, 08:32 AM
@stevo63, I have checked into the matter that you described and essentially the rule is that deductions will always apply from when we take the runner out of our market.    Whilst it is unfortunate that the runner was not scratched in our market at the time this bet was placed, the deduction was applied as the price would have been shorter should it have been already scratched when the bet was placed.

I would like to note that we are looking at how we can improve the timing of these going forward.

As always, thanks for your feedback.

Regards,

P2




Thanks for your answer - my questions to you are

Lets go to todays racing (championships meeting) and a horse is scr at 6.47am do think its acceptable to be

1) still taking bets on the market 1 hour and 5 minutes AFTER after it had been scr - 25 minutes AFTER interim scratchings - and 5 minutes AFTER final scr  - then deduct as if a late scr (like how the first query was answered - late scr) ????
2) expect a much larger punting crowd to accept such?
3) do you think its reasonable the run of the mill punter would expect a horse scratched 65 minutes prior for the TAB to have adjusted the market?
4) does the average punter now have to scan the TAB market for scratchings before placing a bet via Dynamic?
5) does the average punter have to scan the TAB website/app to make sure TAB have got  all the scratchings out 22 minutes after interim scratchings
6) do you think the average punter even checks for scratchings when betting?
7) do you think 99.9% of punters just cop the raw prawn and accept it without question justifying the TAB continuing on blurting on them?
8) do you think the TAB (and all corps) should HAVE TO CLOSE the markets at scr time thus never ever taking a bet after scratching time until reopen once adjusted and then never have this problem?




ITS JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH and the old you wouldnt have got those odds anyway - well it got to LONGER odds very quickly after the usual 380+ place percentage openers rort!

and the simple FACT is by allowing DYNAMIC odds to accept bets when they had it scr and where the customer cant see if TAB still has the scratching in the market the customer  is betting blind at all times RE the TAB using Dynamic


anyone here as well p2 can post their answer to mine if you wish .....
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2019-Apr-13, 11:13 AM
Guys, having successfully piloted the new Trio bet type she is now available across NSW, ViC and ACT on all domestic meetings.  New technology used enables us to  display approx divs in Tab.com,au app/website when placing a Trio or Trifecta.  Good luck if having a crack. Cheers, Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: horseacces on 2019-Apr-13, 11:16 AM
Spam - refer to the rules

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: horseacces on 2019-Apr-13, 11:19 AM
Spam - refer to the rules

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Apr-27, 07:20 AM
obviously the TAB ignore punter relations and are happy to rort at any opportunity

be very careful punting with them

if your chosen platform of punting is Dynamic odds you MUST be aware that the rorter at the TAB may be a bit lazy in updating their markets (1 hour 9 minutes after a scratching to be precise) and even after official scratchings at 7.30  are taken , the tab odds framers are sitting on their hands re assessing the market AND TAKING BETS ON SCRATCHED RUNNERS AND OTHERS KNOWING THE DEDUCTION SCALE HEAVILY IN FAVOUR OF THEM IS ROLLING ALONG
INSTEAD of CLOSING them them re open as fast as they can the PUNTER GETS SCREWED

DYNAMIC Odds users are NONE THE WISER   - note to tab if you cant see this problem YOU DAMN WELL SHOULD , if you think you can keep on doing this WAKE UP TO YOURSELVES you will lose CUSTOMERS in the long run, making excuses for it DOES NOT CUT IT

to recap

Dynamic odds users make sure you have to check the TAB website to ensure scratchings are OUT before betting with Dynamic - kind of defeats the purpose going to the TAB site doesnt it - why offer betting through Dynamic?

TAB website - make sure you notice the TAB are not sleeping on the job and have the scr out when punting , i mean in this day and age the new breed of punter with an app on the phone will do this right? i'd guess 99 in a 100 would think after 67 minutes a horse being scratched is out of the market and not look leaving themselves open to a deduction and rightfully think when paid wtf i bet 22 minutes AFTER scratchings!

WAKE UP TAB

would you do this on major metro meetings such as today?
are you interested in keeping customers long term or happy to rort them and HOPE they stay loyal?

many questions the TAB refuse to acknowledge in their grubby little rort - we are right and you are wrong attitude

what a shame 4 corners arent savvy enough to run a story on all the rorts from tab and the corps and be totally exposed


ffs close your markets at scr time and reopen when adjusted - IT CAN'T BE THAT HARD CAN IT?




Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Apr-27, 07:24 AM
Excuse my ignorance mate but what are you referring to when you say “dynamic odds platform”
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Apr-27, 08:58 AM
Hi Wile

Dynamic odds - comparison odds site , you cant bet from there direct into most corps (incl TAB)

Dynamic had the scr out but of course the TAB still left their market up - so using Dynamic you are none the wiser if and ONLY IF Tab have taken it out of their market
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Apr-28, 10:09 AM
Sadly we’re let down again with video replays in the form for the Big meeting in Japan

“Arriving shortly” .......but they never do :sad:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Apr-28, 03:00 PM
Hi Wile

Dynamic odds - comparison odds site , you cant bet from there direct into most corps (incl TAB)

Dynamic had the scr out but of course the TAB still left their market up - so using Dynamic you are none the wiser if and ONLY IF Tab have taken it out of their market

I'll play devil's advocate here - why would the TAB care if you choose to use a 3rd party platform? Isn't buyer beware?

It's a bit like buying concert tickets through a 3rd party then complaining you got ripped off as they were dearer than Ticketmaster  :chin:

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2019-Apr-28, 04:19 PM
Sadly we’re let down again with video replays in the form for the Big meeting in Japan

“Arriving shortly” .......but they never do :sad:

They only have replays if they covered the race. I had a look at some and for example Fierment has replay available for 21/10 but not for others.

Likewise Etario has a couple available.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-Apr-29, 02:04 PM
I'll play devil's advocate here - why would the TAB care if you choose to use a 3rd party platform? Isn't buyer beware?

It's a bit like buying concert tickets through a 3rd party then complaining you got ripped off as they were dearer than Ticketmaster  :chin:


your analogy is incorrect , the 3rd party platforms are not on offer from the original seller

they are OFFERING the DYNAMIC platform as an option , if they want you to be able to use it , then get your house in order

they will destroy this company rorting punters....there's only so many out there and if you cheese enough off ....
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Apr-29, 09:22 PM

your analogy is incorrect , the 3rd party platforms are not on offer from the original seller



That's the whole point, you're betting through a 3rd party, buyer beware imho!

Granted maybe the TAB should be better but it's still your onus to know what you're betting into.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-May-19, 07:54 AM
No exotic betting available on the Preakness Stakes but it is available in some place called Jagersro :no:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2019-May-19, 12:01 PM
A couple of points, you can bet into your account on the majority of corporates direct through Dynamic Odds
Second if you are betting before 8am you are a fool if you do not check with the Bookie site to be sure that the scratchings have been taken out
3rd if you look at the Bookies (TAB)percentage it sticks out like dogs balls if they haven't taken a significant scratching out
Blaming the tool because you are a bad tradesman might make you feel justified but you will never learn or improve
Get with the Program

in short stop whinging and do your due diligence!
p.s. I have been using DO for a looong time now and never had a problem using "3rd party"......you can't win without it and you are a fool if you try!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: stevo63 on 2019-May-22, 07:10 AM
nice work condoning disgraceful behavior!
a 10/1 chance scr 65 minutes beforehand and 22 after interim scratchings betting with DO (an approved 3rd party unlike unauthorized parties)  showing the scratchings out and still with a high place percentage TABcorp style - not like it was a $2 chance and the percentage was under 300 for the place....
try this on a saturday race metro more so in a carnival and see the uproar - fact being a lowly ipswich monday meeting should make no DIFFERENCE
once scratchings are declared BETTING SHOULD STOP until reset , its not ROCKET SCIENCE ffs  , the average punter WOULD NOT ....NOT SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CHECK TABCORP HAVE DONE THEIR JOB...

I have been in this game for a very long time in all shapes and forms and am certainly aware of percentages fcol!

Wake up to yourself and show some support and not pat the TAB on the head....or maybe you are a shareholder ....yeah that'll do it!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Dave on 2019-May-22, 10:24 PM
Steve you are doing it again, making the facts fit your view....I never said what they did was right, I was telling you how to handle it so you don't get caught again........I have had that problem many times, but unlike you I have always done my due diligence, I never bet unless I know all the facts, I try to learn instead of complaining....
There are two types of people in the world, those who work the system.....and those that the system works!......the decision which one you are is a personal one, it's up to you
it doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong, you are always gunna feel screwed if you don't work the system
Life is about the experience and learning something from every experience you have..........acting like petulant child won't help you but you do what ever you want,
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Wenona on 2019-Jun-01, 08:14 PM
So I have a $50 trio on the 1st at Wentworth Park tonight and miss. Dividend is zero ie $0.00 with a Jackpot of $5.60.

I have a $50 trio on Wentworth Park race 3 tonight and miss ... dividend is zero ie $0.00 and there is no Jackpot.

What sort of bullshit is that?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2019-Jun-02, 07:23 AM
So I have a $50 trio on the 1st at Wentworth Park tonight and miss. Dividend is zero ie $0.00 with a Jackpot of $5.60.

I have a $50 trio on Wentworth Park race 3 tonight and miss ... dividend is zero ie $0.00 and there is no Jackpot.

What sort of bullshit is that?
Hi Wenona, the Trio uses merged pool technology to produce a result. Hence the outcomes you are seeing.  More info can be found he https://help.tab.com.au/s/article/MPT-FAQ
Regards
Philby
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Wenona on 2019-Jun-02, 12:58 PM
There were no Jackpots on the Trifecta dividends.

So when the trio isn't won and the losing investments aren't carried forward they must be being used to inflate the trifecta dividends.

Well they're the last trio's I'll be taking.

Why would I bet into a Trio pool where at best a merger pool will give me a 'fair' dividend when I can bet into a Trifecta pool that's going to be inflated with dead money from the Trio investments when there is no winning Trio investment?

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: colonus4 on 2019-Jun-18, 01:56 PM
In yesterday's Herald-Sun (page 41), under the heading "Royal Deal Helps Punters", Gilbert Gardiner reported
"In a landmark deal between Tabcorp, Ascot and the Hong Kong Jockey Club and other international operators, TAB's S-TAB pool will co-mingle into a new Royal Ascot world pool for this week's five-day carnival. TAB punters will have access to deeper pools and more stable dividends when the royal meeting starts tomorrow. The pools will be hosted by the HKJC, and incorporate the British tote and other international operators."

THERE'S ONE BIG PROBLEM!

He conveniently neglected to mention that the takeout rate for win bets (usually 14.5%) has increased to 17.5% for these races, based on current TAB approximates.
If you have a TAB NSW account, the takeout rate on these win bets is still 14.5%.
I fail to see how this "Royal Deal Helps Punters"!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jun-20, 05:44 PM
Today’s racing tag on the website has races 1,2,3,4,.......6 down for the Ascot meeting. Listed as Ascot UK

Then R5 is listed by itself as if it’s another meeting. Listed as Ascot (GBR). Why?

They did it yesterday. R1 & 5 were left off the main meet and listed as seperate  :confused1:

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2019-Jun-20, 06:24 PM
Wily

They always list fixed odds only races separate to those where the tote operates.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jun-20, 09:08 PM
 :clap2:
Thanks sobig
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Nov-04, 05:16 PM
N9 video form  for the internationals on the tab sites🤮
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-May-03, 09:05 AM
Had an early bet today on the TAB and used my multiplier.

1.02 !!!!

How lousy have they become. I've never, ever had 1.02.

Why bother with the promotion at all?  emthdown  emthdown
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2020-May-03, 09:36 AM
PP7,

They are suffering at the moment - pools way way way down for various reasons.

I am staying in bed more and more!

WE heard that QLD pools would get merged VICTAB? in June quite some time ago - I certainly hope that is still the case.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2020-May-03, 10:19 AM
I've often wondered about the multiplier......is it anticipating the market or have I been winning too much lately?   :lol:  

They gave me 1.10 yesterday......on Rising Red.....so thanks TAB......maybe I've been losing too much lately!    :lol:  

Off topic but how nice to see the big son of Redwood going dead straight on a track that doesn't feel like concrete to him.....hasn't seen many of them in his career.....none of the laying in we usually see from him on the Victorian tracks.

They have just given me 1.10 again today .......on the $20k auction horse Pueblo
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-May-03, 10:49 AM
They will improve the pools around June and probably July when the agencies,  pubs and clubs open up again.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Sep-13, 09:25 AM
Why are there no Taree replays in the form on the website?

Seems they are the only club that never appears
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2020-Sep-13, 12:20 PM
Strange one wily particularly as if you go the the previous Taree results the replays are there.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2020-Sep-13, 12:32 PM
Where's P1 or P2 when you need them?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2020-Sep-13, 02:07 PM
Where's P1 or P2 when you need them?
P1 hasn't been with the TAB for yonks.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2020-Sep-13, 03:50 PM
Gday Wily, have asked the respective team to look into the issues you raised re runners with form history that includes a run at Taree.  In the the last at Coffs today the toppy has had a run at Taree and there is no video link.  Thanks for raising. Cheers, P2
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Sep-13, 05:10 PM
Philby, whist you’re here mate.

I’ve raised this before. Even rang punters post mortem but they had no idea what I was talking about  :lol:

Apparently R7 in Shatin is on the synthetic track. No where on the website are we told this


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Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: philby42 on 2020-Sep-14, 09:46 PM
Why are there no Taree replays in the form on the website?

Seems they are the only club that never appears

Wily, should now be fixed! Thanks again for raising. The other issue re ShaTin is a longer term fix for races on the AWT. Cheers, P2
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Sep-14, 09:50 PM
Philby, whist you’re here mate.

I’ve raised this before. Even rang punters post mortem but they had no idea what I was talking about  :lol:

Apparently R7 in Shatin is on the synthetic track. No where on the website are we told this


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Racenet does it too, no mention at of of the AWT form, just Sha Tin  :/ :thumbsd:

Ive emailed them about listing the jump starts as well but never heard back  :shutup:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Oct-18, 10:38 AM
New app issued late last week so I downloaded it and installed it on my Samsung S20 5G+ - froze the whole phone. Utter disaster.

Yesterday morning tried it again and it prompts me to download a new version - I thought OK they are onto it.

This version even worse.

I couldn't use my TAB App to have a bet yesterday. Had to use the computer.

Just wondering how many had the same problem as me.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2020-Oct-18, 10:44 AM
Also,

Hastings results yesterday get repeated ..... on the Ellerslie equiv races....

makes it a bit hard to look at Ellerslie. WATAB the saviour.

Seems to be a problem in NZ as have seen similar wrong meeting stats elsewhere too  - other sites dont seem tp pick this up and just quote the wrong figues.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Maximus on 2020-Oct-18, 01:38 PM
Just wondering how many had the same problem as me.

I suspect there are problems with mine too - unfortunately its all in Vietnamese so can't provide any more detail.   :unsu
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: gooddayforit on 2020-Oct-27, 12:35 PM
Unhappy and dissatisfied with my tab consultant who can I discuss this with? as I’d like to request a transfer to another consultant. Regards Andrew


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Oct-28, 09:09 AM
Got a text message yesterday from TAB

We noticed that you have asked to receive Blackbook runner notifications but are currently opted out from TAB marketing communications.

If you wish to continue to receive the Blackbook notifications please let us know by visiting <mobile app link> and entering your details.


Well!

A few things I have to say about that:

i) You (TAB) have been sending me blackbook emails for over two years and have never mentioned that it is conditional on receiving marketing material from TAB until now (to the best of my knowledge - unless you put it in the fine print somewhere a long time ago and didn't explicitly let me know as you are supposed to  with fine print).

ii) I never "asked" to receive blackbook emails. Plastered all over your web site are "Add To Blackbook" links and I used those. Can you produce evidence where I explicitly asked to receive blackbook emails in return for marketing?

iii) There are plenty of free blackbook sites including corporate bookmakers, Racing & Sports and Racenet. And most of them are better than yours because you can add comments.

iv) I interpret this SMS as an implied threat. How dare you use (or misuse) my personal details to send a threatening SMS to my personal phone. I am a CUSTOMER of yours. If I knew you were going to use my phone number stored on your database for that purpose I would never have provided it. My phone number is not there for your marketing department to use for this purpose.


On that last point I'm not entirely sure they haven't breached the Competition and Consumer act 2010 or similar.

The intended purpose of me supplying my phone number is for Account related purposes. It is not intended for misuse by Marketing Departments.

I do know we (a large Telecommunications company I work for) would never ever send a text to a customer with that tone.

Deplorable behaviour  emthdown

Instead of the TABCorp board sitting on their backsides getting paid obscene amounts for doing little or nothing (as is a current topic in the news), how about they do what the shareholders pay them to do and act on their out of control marketing department before someone takes this to the next level.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-07, 10:51 AM
Anyone else having issues?

Can't log on via the app using either thumb or entering the password, I'm logged on via the computer but won't allow me to deposit nor use a bonus bet I have  :shrug:  :rant:  :bash:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2020-Nov-07, 10:58 AM
Yes - account docked the money ( that part always works ) but bet not showing in transactions. Not using APP.
They say unavailable for now.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: westie on 2020-Nov-07, 11:02 AM
Anyone else having issues?

Can't log on via the app using either thumb or entering the password, I'm logged on via the computer but won't allow me to deposit nor use a bonus bet I have  :shrug:  :rant:  :bash:
Gin
Have three state accounts and can't get into any. The message on the QLD site {I think] states: Authetication system unavailable.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-07, 11:12 AM
The app is now posting a message 'betting unavailable'

 :unsu   :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Nov-07, 11:13 AM
Me too. What the F😱
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-07, 11:14 AM
TAB.......... lazy and thoughtless?

..........  no one has bothered to tell 2KY that the service is down nor when the service will be restored
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2020-Nov-07, 11:19 AM
Pools not being updated so no one is still getting on.

Another issue is compensation for bets in limbo like mine - my money gone but no transaction available - win or lose it is an issue either way.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2020-Nov-07, 11:24 AM
Hmmm,

Punting pays for the show - so should they allow races to run if people cannot bet?

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-07, 11:25 AM
IT section of TAB couldn't run a bath.

Will be a blessing if private equity takes them over.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2020-Nov-07, 11:27 AM
I tried to access account account and it showed balance of   $0.00.

Went out, trued to log in and didn't allow me to.

Relieved there was a stuff up and that my balance of $0.00 wasn't due to someone accessing it :sweat:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-07, 11:28 AM
Win pool on the 1st at Flemington last Saturday was $85k.

Less than half that today.  :no:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2020-Nov-07, 11:37 AM
Rosehill has been put back a race because of the TAB problems
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-07, 11:38 AM
If you ever want to see that the almighty punting dollar rules - All races at Rosehill back one due to Tab being down.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-07, 11:40 AM


RVL ...... could Miles from nowhere show some management ability and delay the start of the races, please?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-07, 11:46 AM

RVL ...... could Miles from nowhere show some management ability and delay the start of the races, please?

Victorians walk to their own beat Pete  :shutup:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-07, 11:47 AM

Racing.Com has lost the plot

------ the RDC anchor has just said that, unlike the TAB, 'there are no delays at Flemington .... the races will run on time'        ... not kidding!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-07, 12:12 PM
.... and that just shows the narrow minded view of some of these nuffies.  :wacko:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2020-Nov-07, 12:13 PM
Farcical...as usual...no concise info...no timeframe...no cares..no idea.
No recorded message of any use, no message on screen, or " site status" screen etc
What a joke.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2020-Nov-07, 12:19 PM
Anyone need a fix?

Withdrawal symptoms may lead to withdrawals!

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-07, 12:34 PM
A mate who works inside the TAB has texted to say at least 2pm  :sweat:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Nov-07, 12:52 PM
I put bets on money in the morning and it is showing the same balances now prior to my bets. Cannot check lending bets do not sure if I am on or not.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: specialweek2 on 2020-Nov-07, 01:14 PM
Cant log on PC and both PC and phone showing races run but no results A complete mess.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-07, 01:43 PM
A mate who works inside the TAB has texted to say at least 2pm  :sweat:

Next text now 3.30pm   :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Nov-07, 01:46 PM
I wonder what happened  :chin:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: specialweek2 on 2020-Nov-07, 01:53 PM
So has Flemington been put back as well?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Calvo on 2020-Nov-07, 02:05 PM
Yep.  This is really shambles today. Why are they putting back races if the  problem may not be fixed till tonight or tomorrow even? 

These IT issues take ages to resolve no doubt they have to upload backups etc which would be gigabytes of memory.   One would think they would have another updated server they could use when this stuff happens just like backup power where you can flick a switch at a power station if required.   
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2020-Nov-07, 02:17 PM
Calvo,

Punting pays fot the whole show - they hand out $$$$ to the winners - where is it going to come from?

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Calvo on 2020-Nov-07, 02:26 PM
I completely understand this then just call them off what’s the point of putting them back  If it’s not fixed till midnight?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Calvo on 2020-Nov-07, 02:30 PM
There are other bookies and corporates that can hopefully tow the line and sponsor races to relieve some pressure from the huge  TAB financial losses today
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-07, 02:36 PM
I wonder what happened  :chin:

I did read on twitter that a fiber cable was cut but how true that is I don't know.

My mate has texted more likely 5pm now and they have sent everyone home who was to finish by 5pm   :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-07, 02:54 PM


A memorable day which RVL so richly deserves

................. frustrated punters are now getting a lesson in the joys of not-losing as RVL policies driving rough results mean they would have lost.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-07, 03:04 PM



............... two down , two to go ........... cant-punters laughing

Roughies won the 4th leg of both S and M early-quadrellas .

Darren Flindell said punters who could not get on Accountability would be pleased ...... he will get some counselling for that ........... but probably not to encourage empathy with the usual rorting of most punters that usually can get on.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Nov-07, 03:21 PM
Fock you're a miserable prik

  :lol:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Nov-07, 03:25 PM
So does anyone know if bets placed prior to the shutdown stand etc?

I had Bivouac and also the quaddie etc so I have no idea what is happening.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-07, 03:27 PM
"We wish to apologise for a major technical issue that has resulted in outages today. It is understood to have been caused by major power failure at an external data centre which houses Tabcorp servers. We're continuing to deploy all resources on the restoration of full service."

It took to 4.15pm to get that out. They wonder we people are laughing at them.  :dry:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Calvo on 2020-Nov-07, 03:41 PM
So do they know what a UPS is??  :l :what:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Wenona on 2020-Nov-07, 04:02 PM
"We wish to apologise for a major technical issue that has resulted in outages today. It is understood to have been caused by major power failure at an external data centre which houses Tabcorp servers. We're continuing to deploy all resources on the restoration of full service."

It took to 4.15pm to get that out. They wonder we people are laughing at them.  :dry:

Took them to 4.15pm to think up some bogus excuse blaming someone else more likely.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-07, 04:08 PM


.......... whatever is up and running at Tabcorp does not seem to extend to on-line accounts
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-07, 04:11 PM
"We wish to apologise for a major technical issue that has resulted in outages today. It is understood to have been caused by major power failure at an external data centre which houses Tabcorp servers. We're continuing to deploy all resources on the restoration of full service."


So they do not have any Disaster Recovery (DR) plan in place?

For something that is so mission critical, this is not a failure of a the external Data Centre (DC).

It is a failure of TABCorp's IT strategy.

Not only should there be a DR site, but it should be tested regularly after hours to make sure it kicks in if the primary fails.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Calvo on 2020-Nov-07, 04:17 PM
Well said PP.  they will pay for this In a sense that hundreds And hundreds of Punters have signed up with other agencies today.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-07, 04:18 PM
Well said PP.  they will pay for this In a sense that hundreds And hundreds of Punters have signed up with other agencies today.

Network Design 101  ;)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-07, 05:03 PM

..... alas my 'other agency' could not cope with my needs to restore my account ...probably only managed to make a deposit which will be run down next week
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2020-Nov-07, 06:12 PM
I would think the site has been hacked ?
they decided to shut down the whole site , time will tell
The major thing to come out of this is the corps rely on Tabcorp for everything , they could of had a dig but didn't        :lol:  
They wouldn't take any quaddies or any exotic bets , why ?

because they are weak as piss

cue PM labeling me tab lover , far from the case . My point the whole time was the rest of the corps are nothing more that parasites when gifted an opportunity they folded and ran away .
Gutless weak bottom feeders , who complained when made to pay for the product

today has reaffirmed how much they need parimutuel betting to survive .

Thoughts ?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-07, 06:23 PM

They wouldn't take any quaddies or any exotic bets , why ?



I don't normally take many but went to take a quin on the last in Brissy, thought it was just me when I couldn't find it on the Sportsbet website  :shy:

Ended up taking a same race multi and lobbed the winner with 4th place  :no1:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: gunbower on 2020-Nov-07, 07:14 PM
What an embarrassment to Australian Racing this monopoly is. Might be time to go back to paper tickets and manual calculations. Computers; as they have in the past :; have been way beyond the scope of the morons running this hackneyed monopoly.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-07, 08:09 PM
I would think the site has been hacked ?
they decided to shut down the whole site , time will tell
The major thing to come out of this is the corps rely on Tabcorp for everything , they could of had a dig but didn't        :lol:  
They wouldn't take any quaddies or any exotic bets , why ?

because they are weak as piss

cue PM labeling me tab lover , far from the case . My point the whole time was the rest of the corps are nothing more that parasites when gifted an opportunity they folded and ran away .
Gutless weak bottom feeders , who complained when made to pay for the product

today has reaffirmed how much they need parimutuel betting to survive .

Thoughts ?

Mate have been saying that all along but you get labelled if you dare criticize the Corporates here. They are welchers. They close accounts of winning punters. They lie when they lose in court and say they won.


It is after 9 p.m. and I still cannot log in to TAB.

I take it the power outage story at the external data centre was a fib?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: gunbower on 2020-Nov-07, 08:35 PM
PP,
     Ratsack is right , the Corporates (and I  hate that term-they are all "Corporates"- are the bottom of the barrel ; probably actually under the barrel if the truth be known. The TAB or whatever they currently call themselves are simply incompetent. In other words don't feel restrained that you can't kick the hell out of both organizations. Both have far too many shortcomings !!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2020-Nov-07, 08:52 PM
Mate have been saying that all along but you get labelled if you dare criticize the Corporates here. They are welchers. They close accounts of winning punters. They lie when they lose in court and say they won.


It is after 9 p.m. and I still cannot log in to TAB.

I take it the power outage story at the external data centre was a fib?

no idea mate   :shrug:  very strange it only hit the tab ?

anyway my main point was the weak as piss corps that had the day to make hero's of themselves and ran away and hid under a rock    8-)

i think the last stat i heard was 2% of punters win
at least the tab  accommodates these people (reluctantly the 2%)

i know in the long term i will lose but i enjoy the challenge and every so often i get back a BIG chunk in one hit
anyway i sometimes bet with Sportsbet,Ladbrokes etc but after today i will not
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Nov-07, 08:59 PM
no idea mate   :shrug:  very strange it only hit the tab ?

anyway my main point was the weak as piss corps that had the day to make hero's of themselves and ran away and hid under a rock    8-)

i think the last stat i heard was 2% of punters win
at least the tab  accommodates these people (reluctantly the 2%)

i know in the long term i will lose but i enjoy the challenge and every so often i get back a BIG chunk in one hit
anyway i sometimes bet with Sportsbet,Ladbrokes etc but after today i will not


I just think this is going to be the start of something that could be a pointer for a huge tab pool.

Today just showed the anomalies when corps don’t have the Tab. The Sydney quaddie paid $2900 odd on a pool of $189k which is way overs on a $8.5, $2.5,$2.5 and $8 chance based on an average price. Something not quite right there as pool size was ok.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Nov-07, 09:05 PM
Not sure if true or not but it seems the Tab might have authentication issues according to an IT mate. Login, Face ID etc are not working and prior to that balances were showing up prior to midday. Thus there could be issues with bets placed all day today prior to the crash. Could be a big mess and the Tab is certainly not allowing any withdrawals too.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-07, 09:16 PM
PP,
     Ratsack is right , the Corporates (and I  hate that term-they are all "Corporates"- are the bottom of the barrel ; probably actually under the barrel if the truth be known. The TAB or whatever they currently call themselves are simply incompetent. In other words don't feel restrained that you can't kick the hell out of both organizations. Both have far too many shortcomings !!

Don't worry. I give it to the TAB when they deserve it  ;)

And boy do they deserve it after today.

They should have been up and taking bets through their DR site within an hour (and perhaps less) if their network design was rigorous.

Every time you take a bet, make a deposit, etc., that data would be recorded as a transaction on the Primary site.

In a sound design, the transactions would be synced in real time with the DR site in a matter of milliseconds.

So if you were to take a snapshot of the status at any instant, there would be N transactions on the Primary site, and N-x transactions on the DR site - x being the number of transactions that hadn't been synced. It would be a relatively small number compared to N.

You cop that on the chin so you can keep the business going.

When we designed the network for the Sydney Olympics, we actually simulated a power outage at the primary site and measured how long it took for the DR site to kick in and what data was lost. It was less than 10 seconds to "pre-empt" over to the DR site.

In the absence of any detailed info about the outage, it is clear that TABCorp haven't undertaken the necessary risk management for their network design. They should have been prepared for this, the worst case scenario.

It is likely that the power outage has caused a corruption of the physical storage media and they are having problems getting it back to the state it was in prior to the power loss. But this is highly predictable and the risk can be minimized to the point it is nearly eliminated.

The other thing I noted was that they made major changes to the Phone app in recent weeks.

The Melbourne Spring carnival/Everest carnival should invoke a "Change Embargo", a common risk mitigation technique for businesses that are reliant on technology for their business.

You do that sort of stuff (major changes to the platform) when things are quiet.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2020-Nov-07, 09:22 PM
thanks PP7 blah blah blah
no idea what you are talking about but i digress
they won't tell us what happened anyway . so what's on tomorrow     :clap2:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2020-Nov-07, 09:32 PM
i will be interested to see the tab holds tomorrow ( if it's working) 

i always look at the holds on sundays 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Nov-07, 10:26 PM
I would think the site has been hacked ?
they decided to shut down the whole site , time will tell
The major thing to come out of this is the corps rely on Tabcorp for everything , they could of had a dig but didn't        :lol:  
They wouldn't take any quaddies or any exotic bets , why ?

because they are weak as piss

cue PM labeling me tab lover , far from the case . My point the whole time was the rest of the corps are nothing more that parasites when gifted an opportunity they folded and ran away .
Gutless weak bottom feeders , who complained when made to pay for the product

today has reaffirmed how much they need parimutuel betting to survive .

Thoughts ?

Spot on Rats :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Calvo on 2020-Nov-07, 10:55 PM
Just imagine if they have lost and can’t recover everyone’s account balances, recent bets and transactions etc.   What on earth will they do?!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Wenona on 2020-Nov-08, 08:53 AM
Can anyone get a fixed odds bet on at Ladbrokes?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-08, 08:58 AM
Can anyone get a fixed odds bet on at Ladbrokes?

I have zip in my Ladbrokes account and sure as hell don't feel inclined to make a deposit at this time.

But I get to the point in having a bet it says "insufficient funds".


Still cannot log into either my NSW or Qld TAB Accounts.

Very little coming from TABCorp or in the mainstream media.

Wondering if the Chinese conspiracy theories have any validity.  :chin: You'd think they would have recovered from a power outage by now.

If there is a database corruption, and they don't have an uncorrupted copy to restore it might also explain the delay. 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-08, 09:11 AM
If you run cmd.exe on your PC and then execute

tracert tab.com.au

you go through Amazon Web Services (AWS) - the ip addresss beginning with 52

(https://i.postimg.cc/Q94rJv0v/tab-trace.png) (https://postimg.cc/Q94rJv0v)

So when they talk of their "technology partners"

https://www.tabcorp.com.au/news-media/outage-of-tabcorp-services

They are getting developers to put stuff in "The Cloud" which looks like it includes the Virtual IP (VIP) for tab.com.au

We've had several security scares emanating from AWS over the past few months including a phishing email that was very well crafted and sucked in 20% of our user base.

I wouldn't house my dog in AWS.

Cannot work out why such intelligent people are being sucked into the marketing that says it is imperative that you rehouse your servers in "The Cloud" (generally AWS, Microsoft Azure or Google Cloud).

You are handing your core business over to people who work for shareholders of other companies and who don't really care when stuff like this happens.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2020-Nov-08, 04:06 PM
It's back up
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2020-Nov-08, 04:10 PM
Can log in and place bets but div announcements rather slow in coming if at all......

Be careful with pool sizes.

Fours
ps winning bets rather slow to be credited after correct weight declared... yes i do get some.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-08, 06:37 PM
.... and my bonus bet that was due to be used by yesterday has disappeared without the ability to use it  :mad:

Considering the promos they have been running there would be a lot of people in the same boat who will be pissed off  :rant:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-08, 07:15 PM
better late than never - https://www.tab.com.au/info/outage-faqs?fbclid=IwAR0_N80ECFwe3eUlcO7kVrAfp_2ApL70Int4dqkFcoTQTsI-CeE2DX3nJYQ
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2020-Nov-08, 07:24 PM
The biggest issue for Tabcorp is this will be the end of Hong Kong using their Tote
I wonder how much they got paid to run it ?

https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/public-registers/documents/D14%2B198917.pdf

 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2020-Nov-08, 07:45 PM
the interesting section for me


The small size of the SuperTAB stand-alone B pools limited their attractiveness
to punters (especially high turnover punters). Accordingly, while in respect of
any particular race, there may be examples where stand-alone B pools
appeared relatively stable in terms of projected dividends, this is because their
inherent instability limited the size and amount of bets being placed into the
pools. Given their small size, the pools would have been subject to large
fluctuations at any time if large bets were placed in the pool.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2020-Nov-08, 07:53 PM
Hmmmm,

Authentication system down again and my winning bets still not credited.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2020-Nov-08, 08:00 PM
HK does not use the TAB tote.

It is simply a co-minglimg arrangement where the pools are combined.

When there is a problem such as the last 2 days the pools are simply stand alone.

The TAB also has similar arrangements with South Africa, New Zealand and Singapore
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2020-Nov-08, 08:08 PM
true Sobig
but how much is it going to cost Tabcorp ?

my wording could have been better
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: sobig on 2020-Nov-08, 08:38 PM
I would think the only cost to Tabcorp (and it will be big) is the loss of wagering today
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-09, 07:46 AM


The 'independent' mainstream racing media miss a major point

Staggering cost of TAB meltdown as network offline again

Tabcorp is considering plans to placate frustrated punters in the wake of the nationwide betting network meltdown which cost an estimated $120 million in wagering turnover over the weekend.


While most punters were frustrated and disappointed that they 'could not get on' ............. the way the day unfolded most punters would, at the end of the day, have had more still in their punting kick than if they had 'got on'. The earlier disappointment turned to thanks.

The most disappointed on Saturday would have been the fixed-odds corporates denied their usual free feed on predictably rough 'winning' results and by free riding on TAB exotics where they match TAB payouts eroded by such high takeouts they cant lose.

.........there was a valuable free lesson for most punters on Saturday ...... will they show they learned anything.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ballybeg on 2020-Nov-09, 09:04 AM
"The 'independent' mainstream racing media miss a major point"

I thought I could avoid your drivel by not looking at any thread you started.

Stop infecting real threads you drip
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Arsenal on 2020-Nov-09, 09:46 AM
Technical Outage of TAB Services

 

We wish to apologise for the issue that resulted in an outage on Saturday 7 November 2020 and ongoing disruption to betting products and services. 

 

What betting is available now?

The following betting services are now available:

Online betting on tab.com.au and via the TAB app.  Customers can deposit and withdraw from their account.

 

What happened to successful bets I placed before the outage at 11.30am on Saturday 7 November?

Winnings from successful bets placed before the outage at 11.30am on Saturday 7 November will be paid into customer accounts as soon as possible.

 

Will I receive my eligible Bonus Bets for bets placed before the outage at 11.30am on Saturday 7 November?

Any eligible bets placed before the outage at 11.30am on Saturday 7 November that would have resulted in a Bonus Bet will be credited to customer accounts.

 

What happened to Bonus Bets I had that expired on Saturday 7 November?

Bonus Bets that had an expiry date of Saturday 7 November will be reissued and customers will have a further 7 days to use them from the date of reissue.

 

Is my account balance up to date?

Other than for some UTAB tote transactions which are still being processed, all account balances are up to date.

 

Can I deposit and withdraw funds?

Yes, you can deposit and withdraw funds.

 

Was there any risk to my personal data?

There is no evidence of any customer data breach.


ENDS


And there it is...no explanation for the going down ..why it took so long .......never happened like this before..when UBET stood alone there were some short outages quickly fixed but that was then this is now .......any compensation likely to race clubs for revenue lost .......waadda you think.


Giddy Down :thumbsd:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-09, 10:31 AM
Stock Market up 81 points.

TABCorp shares down 1.1%
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-09, 12:57 PM


TAB statement to ASX -- shows selfish disdain for most punters

Truth be told, TABs other corporates and racing administrators could not give a rats about the punters that, while funding the industry, are being played off a break by industry policies now making it almost impossible for most punters to ever win.

Truth was told on Saturday ------ most punters were better off  -- not being able to bet, they saved their money on a day when rough results would otherwise have cost them heaps.

............. one would like to think that the industry players rorting TAB punters would have pause to reflect on who really won and who lost on Saturday............... and on the other days of the so-called 'Cups Carnival'.

It was the punters that won on Saturday -- however inadvertently  --  but not on the other days.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: ratsack on 2020-Nov-09, 08:13 PM
Stock Market up 81 points.

TABCorp shares down 1.1%
after rising

Tabcorp’s share price had jumped sharply in the previous week from $3.31 on Melbourne Cup day to the $4.10 high after reports emerged in The Australian that private equity firms were interested in buying into the organisation.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-09, 09:03 PM


TABCORP PLEASE DON'T DO MORE .............. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH HELP!


Tabcorp wagering...media managing director Adam Rytenskild says the company will definitely be doing something quite substantial for their customers.

....... absolute crap of this ilk needs to be addressed.

Tabcorp has actively participated in causing DAMAGE  .. something quite substantial for their customers.

.............as I see things ......Tabcorp is an active and compliant participant in the blatant exploitation of most of  its customers.

PLEASE STOP IT!

................ WHEN MOST PUNTERS WERE EVENTUALLY PLEASED THAT TABCORP COULD NOT TAKE BETS ON SATURDAY  ............. THERE IS A MESSAGE THERE!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-09, 09:30 PM
after rising

Tabcorp’s share price had jumped sharply in the previous week from $3.31 on Melbourne Cup day to the $4.10 high after reports emerged in The Australian that private equity firms were interested in buying into the organisation.

They actually released a statement saying they are unaware of any takeover.

The people who might have saw value at $3.10 perhaps would think differently at $4.00+ so agree that some of the downward pressure on the share price today would not be solely due to the weekend problems.

They closed at $3.98 - down nearly 3% in the end.

The statement released to the ASX today regarding the outage didn't address the fact that they were not able to implement a Disaster Recovery plan within a few hours.

Which I'd have thought would be an expectation of any company, let alone one who derives a significant amount of their revenue from IT systems.

And the $10 million figure does not acknowledge how much it cost their customers.


Tabcorp services largely restored

Tabcorp Holdings Limited (Tabcorp) provides an update on the major outage which impacted its
TAB, Keno and Gaming Services operations and systems from around 11:30am AEDT on Saturday
7 November 2020.

Services have now largely been restored with an immediate focus on ensuring the systems return to
optimal service levels in coming days.

Tabcorp has commenced a comprehensive and urgent review into this incident, which will be
overseen by the Board.

Based on a preliminary assessment, a smoke and likely fire incident at a third-party managed data
centre in Sydney resulted in extensive damage to Tabcorp’s servers and associated infrastructure.

This led to technical and systems outages, as well as the closure of TAB retail venues.

At this stage, there is no evidence of any potential cyber security issues or customer data breaches.

Lost wagering turnover over the weekend is estimated to have impacted Tabcorp EBITDA by less
than $10 million.


“The outage was unacceptable. Tabcorp remains deeply sorry for this and acknowledges the
significant disruption caused to our customers, the racing industry and venue partners,” said
Tabcorp Managing Director and CEO, David Attenborough.

“Our teams and technology partners are continuing to deploy all available resources into restoring
the full Tabcorp gambling entertainment experience for our customers and partners.”

This announcement was authorised for release by the Chairman of Tabcorp, Paula Dwyer
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-09, 09:32 PM

................ the offensive nonsense went on .....and on

TAB's being 'down' was the best weekend most punters have had for years!

............ most punters 'won' on Saturday ............ because they could not bet!

“It’s [ NOT..NOT..NOT ] been a very tough weekend for punters, for TAB, for the racing industry and for thousands of retail venues out there across the country that rely on our products,’’ Tabcorp’s managing director of wagering and media, Adam Rytenskild told The Daily Telegraph on Monday.

“I can understand the frustrations and I’m very sorry for what has occurred, sorry for our customers especially, and to the racing industry.




Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-09, 09:59 PM

NOVEMBER 21ST ........... PUNTERS SHOULD TAKE A DAY OFF!


Strike me roan ................ this is frightening ..... this should not happen ...... again!

.................... as I read on RISA the program for Saturday November 21st, there are stand-alone / stand-well-back meetings scheduled for both 'Sydney' and 'Melbourne' racing.

Sportsbet-Ballarat: Ballarat Turf Club Saturday, 21 November 2020

 Kembla Grange: Illawarra Turf Club Ltd Saturday, 21 November 2020

.......most punters should have nothing to do with either meeting ............ what do you think the race results will show?

....................reflect on last year ............... who would back up ...... this was a 'rape' of punters at both venues.


KEMBLA

Quaddie    1-7-9-15  $47,553.30 Early Quaddie    5-2-8-6  $2,487.40

First Four    6-4-13-5 $26,849.90 ,  First Four    5-11-8-1 $15,770.80,  First Four    8-9-4-7  $6,545.20, First Four    1-15-2-7 $8,930.50, First Four 7-6-13-9 $7,052.80,   ................

SMELLARATT

Early Quaddie    3-6-9-13 $4,736.60 , Quaddie 14-4-6-6 $23,993.70

First Four    
5-16-4-9 $23,819.50 Jackpot $10,676.48, First Four 9-1-2-4 $5,147.90,  First Four 13-6-8-3 $22,984.40,  First Four 14-1-7-3 $30,219.50,  First Four 4-12-10-3  $20,838.20,  First Four 6-10-15-11$57,994.5 Jackpot $26,525.36
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2020-Nov-09, 10:23 PM
Peter,

Why are you not rich?

You claim to know these huge divvies will be paid so why arent you taking advanatge of them?

When you have this knowledge you dont need to outlay much at all as only so many combos can pay that sort of dividend. Throw out your joke tipsters boxed picks for a start; 5 favourites is not going to do it now is it!

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-10, 12:28 AM
Just tried to login to do my tips for the tipping comp tomorrow at Gosford and same problem as Saturday :(
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-10, 12:44 AM
Still off the air.

Have their Sydney Data Centre had another fire - the second one in 3 days?

Perhaps they need Smokey The Bear - the US mascot for fire prevention


(https://i.postimg.cc/SYyY8Kk7/smokey.png) (https://postimg.cc/SYyY8Kk7)
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-10, 08:41 PM


Portents of 2020? ............. a reflective look at the 'Hunter' meeting in 2019

A post yesterday rang an alarm bell about the upcoming 'stand-alones' at Kembla and Ballaratt on 21 November................ stay well away!

................. ahead of that ..........a 'Hunter' stand-alone looms at Newcastle on Saturday.

Have regard for the 'rough' results at this meeting last year:

First Four 10-17-2-5 $8,473.70 ... First Four 13-4-2-8 $1,574.50 ...... First Four 9-11-3-4 $81,188.80 Jackpot $22,361.28...........First Four 10-12-9-2 $4,291.50 .....First Four 7-5-9-12 $6,239.80

Early Quaddie 7-10-13-9 $10,757.20 ............Quaddie 7-10-2-17 $2,115.90 
   
.................. sensible punters unable to resist temptation may be praying the TAB 'goes down' again this week .......... and the next.


 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-10, 08:48 PM



OLD CHINA PLATES: THERE IS AN ELEPHANT IN THE TAB BUNKER

.................and again it looks like the racing-media corp been press-ganged into shielding the TAB fort from the, favorable, financial outcomes, for most punters, of Saturday's 'meltdown' .

On Saturdays we are often left full of 'hope' ....... that (usually) a last leg will get up ...... but all too often these hopes are dashed by a rough result ........... especially in Melbourne ............ and all too often the 'rough' is so very predictable.

Last Saturday's TAB meltdown illustrated the converse emotion -- 'regret'.

 .............. last Saturday, most unable to bet on the Melbourne ($4m)  quadrella would have been 'mentally' live into the last ........... regretting they had not 'got on' ............. 'regret' turned to 'relief' as the outcome in the last was, predictably, 'rough'.

At the emotional level, 'losses' are felt more 'keenly' than wins are appreciated (often coupled with 'shouda-bet-more' regrets).

So far, all the industry and media emphasis has been on 'lost turnover' ...... a polite euphemism for 'most punters did not lose as usual' ......... a chorous also sang  loudly by 'the corporates'.

........................  so far, the racing media has not acknowledged that, last Saturday, most punters finished up better off because they could not bet ............ they did not lose their intended stake.

This rip-off mindset in the industry needs to change ...... TAB should be the leader of the change ............. TAB needs to respect and defend the interests of most of its customers ............ not just sit back and take the 'rough' cream from losing fixed-odds win bets ........and the 'very rough' cream from associated exotic pools plundered by rebate taking syndicates.

TAB has a moral obligation to 'do the right thing' and put inflated-field racing in the bin ........... to refuse to take bets on races predictably likely to be unfair to most punters.

......WILL THEY?
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-11, 09:06 AM


TAB respect for most customers: about when 'Will they?' ....... apparently not yet


............ the media commentary on 2KSKY this morning was, to my mind, well over the top of a fair assessment of the up-coming stand-alones at Newcastle and Kembla.

I have reservations about the endorsement of these meetings as variously 'fantastic' and wonderful additions to the RNSW program.

........ the way these meetings unfold will be instructive.

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: fours on 2020-Nov-11, 09:07 AM
Peter,

You pay zero attention when instructed anyway.

Fours
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-11, 04:04 PM
Check your accounts people, there's a $20 apology bonus bet sitting in my account + the expired bet has been reinstated.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-11, 04:50 PM


HUNTER & HUNTED ------- inflated-field / killing-field racing on Saturday

These races,  for inexperienced and low-grade horses, with average fields of 14 (and 3 dividends under 10/1) are best avoided  --  one caution is the similar race outcomes last year (see above) --- be very wary.

https://racingaustralia.horse/FreeFields/Acceptances.aspx?Key=2020Nov14%2CNSW%2CNewcastle

...............  punters encouraged to bet on these races by the 'independent' racing-media corp are being hunted,  misled into a box-canyon. 

Racing administrators have a hunger ...........  they do the eating in the games they play.



Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-13, 06:49 PM


CUP WEEK TURNOVER -- NO PROPER ANALYSIS.


Like the Trumpster, RVL is out of the stalls claiming a victory that had more to do with the COVID lockdown than reversing the steady decline in the cultural relevance of the Cup itself and the once-was-great Cup-week Carnival.

................RVL administrators  now contrive to so milk an historical cultural-monopoly that is only on track to become progressively more an irrelevance.

Melbourne Cup sets Australia-wide wagering record

The TAB's crash on one of the biggest racing and wagering days of the year delivered an unwanted hit to turnover during Melbourne Cup week - but not enough to stop domestic wagering on the 2020 Flemington carnival growing by six per cent to $667.3 million thanks to a record sum wagered on the Cup itself.


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/melbourne-cup-sets-australia-wide-wagering-record-20201113-p56egb.html

.... there are players in the mainstream racing media that could put a broader perspective .. captives wont!





Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Nov-13, 07:01 PM

CUP WEEK TURNOVER -- NO PROPER ANALYSIS.


Like the Trumpster, RVL is out of the stalls claiming a victory that had more to do with the COVID lockdown than reversing the steady decline in the cultural relevance of the Cup itself and the once-was-great Cup-week Carnival.

................RVL administrators  now contrive to so milk an historical cultural-monopoly that is only on track to become progressively more an irrelevance.

Melbourne Cup sets Australia-wide wagering record

The TAB's crash on one of the biggest racing and wagering days of the year delivered an unwanted hit to turnover during Melbourne Cup week - but not enough to stop domestic wagering on the 2020 Flemington carnival growing by six per cent to $667.3 million thanks to a record sum wagered on the Cup itself.


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/melbourne-cup-sets-australia-wide-wagering-record-20201113-p56egb.html

.... there are players in the mainstream racing media that could put a broader perspective .. captives wont!

Oaks day was the sixth highest meeting of the 2020-21 season, with a total turnover of $82 million despite a decline of six per cent year-on-year.

RV said there were three factors for the Oaks day drop - smaller fields than the 2019 meeting, high bookmaker margins on the opening two days of the carnival, which deterred punters, and the absence of crowds.


 
I don't get that.

RV said that one of the reasons there was a drop of 17% on the third day was higher bookmaker margins on the first two days.  :wacko:


It is the latte-sipping Sydney Morning Herald who hate horse racing and want to see the end of it.

So I suppose it makes sense that they think Joe Public is a Trump voting, gun toting red neck idiot who wouldn't notice.
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Wenona on 2020-Nov-13, 09:29 PM
Check your accounts people, there's a $20 apology bonus bet sitting in my account + the expired bet has been reinstated.

Have to admit I got a bit more than that.  :shy:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: nemisis on 2020-Nov-14, 07:05 AM
Oaks day was the sixth highest meeting of the 2020-21 season, with a total turnover of $82 million despite a decline of six per cent year-on-year.

RV said there were three factors for the Oaks day drop - smaller fields than the 2019 meeting, high bookmaker margins on the opening two days of the carnival, which deterred punters, and the absence of crowds.


 
I don't get that.

RV said that one of the reasons there was a drop of 17% on the third day was higher bookmaker margins on the first two days.  :wacko:


It is the latte-sipping Sydney Morning Herald who hate horse racing and want to see the end of it.

So I suppose it makes sense that they think Joe Public is a Trump voting, gun toting red neck idiot who wouldn't notice.
You couldn't find a bigger dill anywhere than Poison Pea Brain 7.
Comments on the ABC......but doesn't watch it.
Comments on The Sydney Morning Herald........but doesn't read it.

The Herald is owned by 9......a commercial organisation.
If 9 has a commercial interest in racing, it will promote it :yes:
Just as now with it's commercial interest in Rugby Union......it will promote it.....big time!
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Nov-14, 07:15 AM
Have to admit I got a bit more than that.  :shy:


Mmm, me too. Thanks Tab :thumbsup:
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2020-Nov-14, 08:05 AM
Have to admit I got a bit more than that.  :shy:


Mmm, me too. Thanks Tab :thumbsup:

Which reminds me, does anyone know what determines the multplier %
Is it number of bets one has or the volume  value or just luck?

In the past two months my betting hasn't changed much yet my multiplier % has varied between 10% and 50%
 
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Nov-14, 11:43 AM
I don't know JWH but I find multi or exotics are generally larger  :shrug:

Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2020-Nov-14, 12:17 PM
I've had between 10 & 50 on Quaddies on the same track, the pools being roughly equivalent
Title: NSW and Vic TAB Related Issues and Discussion !!
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Nov-14, 06:01 PM


The 'Hunter' meeting at Newcastle could have been worse ....... but not much

....the feature race was a rort .......F4 paying some $35,000................ generally a reminder to stay clear of regional stand-alones

As for reminders ........do not forget that next Saturday .......... there are regional stand-alones at Kembla and Ballarat..................to stand well clear of.