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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2018-Jul-02, 05:43 PM Reply #1000 »
Geez Bascoe, NZ puppies  :lol:

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« 2018-Jul-02, 07:21 PM Reply #1001 »
Got to love the inflexibility of TABCORP.

Latest 'feature' is greyhound betting on New Zealand meetings on Monday and Wednesday.

The meetings on these days at Manawatu and Hatrick have 15 races.  The NZ TAB offers betting on the 15 races.

Due to (and I am speculating here) limitations to the TABCORP technology - a maximum of 12 races can be schedulted for any meeting / anywhere (as well as a max of 24 runners but that is a different story).

So in their wisdom, they create a dummy meeting called New Zealand with 5 races, which are actually races 10-15 in the NZ meeting, with the actual meeting in Australia set at 10 races.  Now if you are a 50c punter, as I think most TAB execs think most putners are, this is no problem - you fill out a ticket or tick some boxes on an app and away you go.

For the sophisticated punter using software - who probably contributes the majority of betting t/o - we have undertake programming contortions to get a bet on these meets on Monday and Wednesday.  The situation for NZ putners betting into TAB is even worse as they attempt to decipher the mess dumped on them by TAB.

FWIW - I cannot find any explanations for why this started in the past month and how long it will last.

Never have enough crazy things to fix up.

Mate when you say "the sophisticated punter using software" can I ask for more detail?

Are you talking about someone who is writing their own programs using an API? Or are we talking about some "off the shelf" stuff that the user would typically have paid a lot for and would have to read the manual to know what to do.

From where I sit I am intrigued as to why this would be a problem. For the TAB punters there were two NZ greyhound meetings yesterday morning. One was coded YG and had 10 races and the other JG and had 5 races.

Surely any software would have to receive some input before the day started. And typically it would be meeting codes and race numbers for that upcoming day.

If you explain it a bit further something that isn't obvious on my first read might come to light  :)

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« 2018-Jul-03, 12:20 AM Reply #1002 »
PP7,

My own software copes with whatever they throw up BUT I have to check codes each day manually first.

I suppose if the code checking was automated then issues would arise for various assumptions made in the coding eg 1 meeting has 1 code only - probably the problem referred to.

Error checking in various ways would not be happy with 2 codes for the one meeting..... 'it does not compute.....

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« 2018-Jul-03, 09:54 AM Reply #1003 »
Mate when you say "the sophisticated punter using software" can I ask for more detail?

Sure - I write my own software - for me and others - but the case in point here is that I get the fields for these meets to import into my db from Greyhounds NZ - they supply one meeting of 15 races.  My own betting is on those same 15 races but due to the Tab schemozzle I have to manually do a work around for the first 10 races to bet into Manawatu code XX then the last 5 races into New Zealand code YY. 

Not a show stopper but annoying......

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« 2018-Jul-03, 09:56 AM Reply #1004 »
Geez Bascoe, NZ puppies   :lol:

Yes NZ dogs are a challenge - they get our cast offs - but the finish on lure in effect over there straightens a good few out.

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« 2018-Jul-09, 01:07 PM Reply #1005 »
Philby42,

VICTAB site is failing to automatically update exotic pool sizes regulalrly lately from the early pools or very inconsistantly at least. Typically the WA site has bigger pool sizes shown as it continues to update pool sizes as before.

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« 2018-Jul-09, 03:42 PM Reply #1006 »
Thx 4s, I have started looking into it for you.  How far out from ARST are you looking? Cheers, Philby

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« 2018-Jul-09, 03:59 PM Reply #1007 »
Philby

From as early as 15m but it goes all the way to race time and even after dividends declared!   Seems the same as WA once correct weight is declared though.
eg first four pools at Wagga today VICTAB pool stays at a few hundred ( or under a thousand anyway ) while WAtab adds thousands as the race time approaches

Whether its update times have changed or settings my individual account have changed I cannot be sure but I do know this problem did not exist a month ago or beforehand

As I type at 3:58pm VICTAB pool says .$1,642.47 and WApool says $6,580 ( jackpots ignored but WA tab might treat takeout differently to VICTAB but I doubt it given final pools the same ) for Wagga race 7.

I note that jackpot dividend amount mentioned is different between the two which suggests a part of the reason is the treatment of takeouts in the pool sizes given but it is not the whole answer at all.

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« 2018-Jul-09, 04:08 PM Reply #1008 »
At 4:06 victab ff pool is $3,550.86whilst WATAB says $9,584 - the difference is increasing starkly so its not the takeout.

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« 2018-Jul-09, 04:11 PM Reply #1009 »
theyve jumped and VICTAB says 13,807 while WATAB says 23k

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« 2018-Jul-09, 04:29 PM Reply #1010 »
Philby42,

If there have been no software changes then perhaps it reflects rebate changes???? In terms of rebates offered or where rebate players choose to put there bets despite final pools being identical.

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« 2018-Jul-09, 04:44 PM Reply #1011 »
I reckon it's time to get jfc onto these issues.

Pretty sure he'll have Z the cause of the FF pool anomaly.

As for the NZ doggies issue he'll have them shipped off to Chile.


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« 2018-Jul-09, 05:29 PM Reply #1012 »
Jackpots are not shown as part of the pool on supertab but are on WA

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« 2018-Jul-10, 03:05 AM Reply #1013 »

As for the NZ doggies issue he'll have them shipped off to Chile.

I wonder if the Chilean peasants eat dog as well as horse.  :chin:

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« 2018-Jul-12, 04:15 PM Reply #1014 »
Philby42,

VICTAB site is failing to automatically update exotic pool sizes regulalrly lately from the early pools or very inconsistantly at least. Typically the WA site has bigger pool sizes shown as it continues to update pool sizes as before.

Fours

Itís not only the vic tab.
As they jumped in the Grafton cup the commentator said there was 150k in the win pool.
Tab site had it at 47k  :chin:

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« 2018-Jul-14, 09:48 AM Reply #1015 »
  After FOURS weaning me off worrying about the size of pools I turned to Value  and A Real Chance of placing if not winning, in this race, The Grafton Cup Race 7 2018. Just hope you had Number 19, as a real chance and  having a  Value  Price  about  938%  greater than its chance of winning, computer  calculated at 8.7/1,  one just had to have it as a place chance at least and for weaving into the favourites in the Multi or RVB First Fours.  Apart from Value, No 19  had just about as close to a perfect set of data, as is possible. 
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VF140817 GT71207F * RACE NAME ID* [ GT71207F  2018. GRAFTON CUP,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 2350 mtrs]. COMPRUN 07-12-2018. AT 12:29:36 RESULT  [   4  19  11  10   ~    13   1   ] F4 $ 24601. #  19 paid $20 the place

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« 2018-Jul-14, 11:23 AM Reply #1016 »
pegasyber,

Pool size is the first thing I look at.

I have a super model attitude to pools sizes.

This is why VICTAB now failing to update pool sizes in a timely fashion is an issue - it may cost them turnover.

Grafton Cup an easy one - agreed.

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