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Online Peter Mair

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« 2018-Aug-09, 08:43 AM Reply #1050 »

Bring it to book


The advertisement for the Kosciuszko has been given top right on my TAB page.......the favoured, can't miss spot.

That would make it a NSW TAB  related issue in my book.

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« 2018-Aug-09, 10:00 AM Reply #1051 »

The 'free press' is reporting new 'news' on the mountain race



The Kosciuszko to feature Australia's largest Calcutta

Australia’s largest calcutta will be held on The Kosciuszko in October with a starting pool of $100,000 being guaranteed as part of the sales from the $5 sweepstakes tickets.

There is a second chance for ticket holders to win...........12 tickets will be drawn for a horse in the calcutta and get 50 per cent of what the horse brings at a public auction, which is part of the tradition of bush racing. The pool for the calcutta, which will be held in the days leading into the race, could exceed $300,000.

“There will be a $100,000 from ticket sales to start the pool and we think it will be the largest calcutta in Australia.'

“We are in the process of organising a venue where it could be broadcast live on Sky channel, so that registered bidders will be able to sit at home and bid on the horses. A $5 ticket really gives people two opportunities to win. They could win a slot and have a horse running in the race for them or they could draw a horse and get a big windfall from the calcutta.”

"The tickets are starting to become very popular and teaming with pubs is certainly working. This is a way for anyone to become involved in the biggest racing event," .............. we are happy with the way it is tracking with ticket sales so far."

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« 2018-Aug-09, 12:17 PM Reply #1052 »
I lov3 a Calcutta. Often have attended one In line with  the Melbourne cup

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« 2018-Aug-17, 02:33 PM Reply #1053 »
I have been one of the TAB's harshest critics but on Saturday they are doing something I have never seen before, they are betting the best price on almost every horse at Randwick and Caulfield, betting on average 15% better prices than all the other corporates, to be betting around 110% on nearly every races(with the exception of races with emergencies, and even then they are still 15% under all the others....simply amazing, I had closed my account.....now I have to reopen it....give credit where credit is due

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« 2018-Aug-17, 02:39 PM Reply #1054 »
I have been one of the TAB's harshest critics but on Saturday they are doing something I have never seen before, they are betting the best price on almost every horse at Randwick and Caulfield, betting on average 15% better prices than all the other corporates, to be betting around 110% on nearly every races(with the exception of races with emergencies, and even then they are still 15% under all the others....simply amazing, I had closed my account.....now I have to reopen it....give credit where credit is due
Thanks Dave, rest assured that Customer feedback does not go unnoticed. Hopefully with your winnings you'll look at buying a Kosciusko ticket. Cheers, Philby

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« 2018-Aug-17, 06:24 PM Reply #1055 »
Website has been down awhile

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« 2018-Aug-17, 06:37 PM Reply #1056 »
Back up now


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« 2018-Aug-29, 01:41 PM Reply #1057 »
Philby42

Any ideas on this outage preventing betting for 30 minutes or so to 2pm....

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« 2018-Aug-30, 01:18 PM Reply #1058 »
Philby42

Any ideas on this outage preventing betting for 30 minutes or so to 2pm....

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Fours, out of the office yesterday so just picked up on this issue now.  It appears we had a technical issue between 1.30 and 1.50 yesterday that prevented accessing to account bets. Regards, Philby

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« 2018-Aug-30, 01:22 PM Reply #1059 »
Philby42,

Thanks...... of course 3 out of 3 races I could not bet on would have been successful.... and the bets either side I could get on were not.....

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« 2018-Sep-07, 10:38 AM Reply #1060 »
Well I shoulda known the Romance wouldn't last...............Screwed by the dishonest TAB again.....only recently rejoined the TAB after being screwed previously on deductions, but I digress....this time they had a special money back offer if your horse runs second or 3rd......a couple of my bets ran 2nd/3rd and no bonus bets.......I was told I didn't qualify cos I misused a previous bonus?? How the F*#k do you misuse a bonus bet?....I backed a winner with it??.....never, never ,never bet with that low organisation again..............I really don't blame them this time, the anger is directed inwards, it is my fault, I know what they are like, I know who they are....if you sleep with dogs you wake up with Fleas.......all over a couple of $50 bonus bets.....how petty can you get?.....good luck if you bet with them......I prefer to bet with honest bookies, Bookies who honour their promises, bookies who care about customer service i.e NOT the TAB

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« 2018-Sep-07, 11:08 AM Reply #1061 »
Dave, are you able to give us a little more information?

If it is as you say surely you would be protected by consumer laws.

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« 2018-Sep-07, 02:33 PM Reply #1062 »
It is verbatim as I stated it, I had several bets with the TAB last Saturday (won on the day) but took advantage of their offer of bonus bets up to $50 if any were placed at Caulfield and Randwick, 2 were, Kementari at Caulfield and Sambro at Rosehill.....no bonus bets by the end of the day.....waited till Monday and called Customer service....Sargent Shulz answered the phone....they know nothing, they will send a message to the "marketing department" who would get back to me.....by Thursday still nothing, so call again, Now I don't want to get anyone into Trouble, the girls were doing their level best to find out what was happening, I was finally told that I had misused the promotion in the past?? I only opened the account on friday the 31st August after being closed for about 8 or 9 months.......How do you misuse a bonus Bet? no one could tell me what they were talking about....and of course they won't let you talk to anyone in Authority i.e. the "Marketing Dept"
Bottom Line I was a fool for reopening the account, my fault and I take full responsibility for my naivety .........not like it was the first time but the 3rd Time the TAB hasn't honoured their Promise......they said they had sent me an email stating that I was not eligible for the bonus........but when they are alleged to have sent that email my account was CLOSED!  lies, lies, lies....and no one knows anything....they should be running a Prisoner Of War camp.........not a Betting agency.....all over now, Account closed for good this time, the money doesn't really matter....I have their real money and they have my bonus bets....and they can stick it where the Sun don't Shine!

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« 2018-Sep-10, 01:25 PM Reply #1063 »
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Quite uncalled for mate......keep your negative comments restricted to TABCorp and not someone answering on their behalf.
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« 2018-Sep-12, 08:25 PM Reply #1064 »
well he took the compliment for them? either he is spokesman or he isn't.......feedback ain't as important as was stated eh? I was surprised he went missing in action, that probably ain't as unusual as I suspected....it wasn't personally directed at an individual, it was directed at what I thought was a TAB spokesperson who did not respond to my problem.....if he had answered as he did with my compliment this would not have escalated

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« 2018-Sep-16, 09:44 AM Reply #1065 »

Kosciusko --  what happened and what happens next

Disclosure of 'what happened' with the proposed sale of 250,000 $5 tickets has been a bit scant.

How many were sold and what was the split between account customers and for 'over the counter' the split between Sydney metropolitan and other venues.

The next steps will also be interesting -- presumably the 'winners' are now effectively negotiating a bet on eligible horses -- some will 'cost' more than others in terms of the split of the prize-money with connections.


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« 2018-Sep-16, 01:14 PM Reply #1066 »


How much industry money was spent buying tickets?

I was intrigued by this:

“As ticketing draws to a close there has been a number of NSW race clubs that have taken the opportunity to purchase tickets for, and on behalf of, their members in an effort to win a slot in The Kosciusko. And there is still time for clubs to be involved and further support the event by obtaining tickets at a club level.”

.....and might one suggest that RNSW give 'winners' a hand to get a fair price for their ticket

Each winning ticket holder will then have a ‘slot’ in The Kosciuszko and can select a NSW country-trained horse to race as their entry, subject to agreeing with the horse’s owners as to how they will share the prizemoney for the race.


I do not consider this scheme has been properly thought through.


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« 2018-Sep-16, 02:09 PM Reply #1067 »
It would be interesting to get the true figures for this "concept" but I guess we will never know.

I can't help wondering about Tabcorp's investment in The Everest with the "emerging young trainer"  Ben Smith and his horse In Her Time.

Maybe a few things not thought through.

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« 2018-Sep-17, 09:42 AM Reply #1068 »

Kosciusko kapers -- AFL is a another sport that has 'balls ups'

We really should get to see RNSW's  internal papers that produced the idea for the Kosciusko kaper.

Press reports suggest the ideas men are fuming about the way it has turned out -- it is the ticket buyers that should be fuming and asking for a refund.

Not only were the punters offered the opportunity to cough up over $1 million+ to pay the prize money -- they were implicitly offered the prospect of being an 'owner for the day' with entitlements to sharing the prize money.

Sucked in.

Kosciuszko deals not in the spirit of the race

The rumoured deals for Kosciuszko favourites Care To Think and Victorem have left those who came up with the concept fuming.

The owners of the leading contenders are asking for up to 90 per cent of stakes in the slots race that is restricted to country gallopers. It is clearly not in the spirit of the concept.

Racing NSW is going to review every aspect of the $1.3 million race after its first running and standard contracts look sure to come in.

There is a chance that a slot holder who does a 50-50 deal could end up with more money for running second, third or fourth than the winning slot holder with one of the favourites.


Hopefully ' once is more than enough' is the verdict for this kaper -- and the full facts should be disclosed, including by TABCORP that collected the money (how much and from whom?)




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« 2018-Sep-17, 11:18 AM Reply #1069 »
For once Peter might be right - credit where credit is due,

Once I saw the word 'negotiate' I was never going to buy a ticket but each to his own.

Of course the slot holders are in far too good a place to 'negotiate' and common sense alone should not have allowed negotiation but set %'s; of course the % could vary with the odds of the horse.

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« 2018-Sep-17, 09:12 PM Reply #1070 »
Under legislation in Victoria any organisation selling raffle tickets is obliged to divulge the prizes offered and the number of tickets in the prize draw, With this Kosciusko "raffle " I gather the number of tickets sold is only known after sales are closed. It could 1 million or 5 million @ $5 a throw. With the draw limited to the number horses in the race I  reckon the chances of actually  drawing a horse are astronomical and then to draw the winner are x times that chance , As far as I am concerned, I will give purchasing a ticket  a BIG miss.
I prefer the odds a little more my way.

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« 2018-Sep-17, 09:28 PM Reply #1071 »


Not paying attention

I was 'right' once before -- 'fours' could ask wily?

Luckily for bubba -- ticket sales closed last Thursday.

Whatever, the proffered climb up the mountain was fundamentally flawed from the outset.

......... no one should have bought a ticket   --and those that said anyone should buy a ticket should be given a new job.

There are vacancies with the major banks and insurance companies where thy may fit in.


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« 2018-Sep-17, 10:01 PM Reply #1072 »
Ratcliffe, Cavanough Rapt With Monstar Deal For Kosciuszko

Last year Paul Ratcliffe heard stories of what it’s like to be a winning owner on Everest Day.

In just under a month he could find out first hand after a whirlwind weekend which saw him draw a slot in The Kosciuszko and secure a deal to race The Monstar with trainer Brett Cavanough and the gelding’s owners in the $1.3 million race.

Ratcliffe, who manages a car dealership and workshop at Tuggerah, knows one of the owners of inaugural Everest winner Redzel and is now looking forward to getting out to Royal Randwick himself on October 13.

“For the average person like me to be a part of this is phenomenal,’’ he said.

“A mate of mine has a percentage in Redzel and when they won the Everest he was elated.’’

So how did Ratcliffe come to settle on The Monstar?

Each Saturday he has a drink and a punt with mates and one particular friend’s son, young racing enthusiast Ben O’Connell, was charged with the job of finding a suitable horse.

“He’s a freak when it comes to horses. He knows he can carry weight, he does the homework,’’ Ratcliffe said.

“He should do what you blokes do, he should be in the industry.

“There were a couple of other horses but I like The Monstar and we decided to go for it.’’

Cavanough fielded eight individual calls about his Group 2 winning sprinter before finalising a deal which he’s happy to reveal was 75/25.


So it is 75% to connections and 25% to slot holder/sweepstakes winner.  :chin:

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« 2018-Sep-17, 10:06 PM Reply #1073 »
BTW. This race has nothing to do with TABCorp.

It is a Racing NSW/AHA promotion according to the web site

https://thekosciuszko.com.au/

I will open a thread for The Kosciuszko which seems to be of much interest all of a sudden.

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« 2018-Sep-17, 10:49 PM Reply #1074 »
Under legislation in Victoria any organisation selling raffle tickets is obliged to divulge the prizes offered and the number of tickets in the prize draw, With this Kosciusko "raffle " I gather the number of tickets sold is only known after sales are closed. It could 1 million or 5 million @ $5 a throw. With the draw limited to the number horses in the race I  reckon the chances of actually  drawing a horse are astronomical and then to draw the winner are x times that chance , As far as I am concerned, I will give purchasing a ticket  a BIG miss.
I prefer the odds a little more my way.

thanks Bubba , AFAIK tickets where limited to 250,000  ( I would think Racing NSW is conversant with the rules )

but kick some behinds if it suits your agenda     lol


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