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Offline Peter Mair

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O.P. « 2009-Dec-13, 09:37 AM »


TEARS I CRY: AUSTRALIAN RACING IS AMATEURISH

Later today, Hong Kong racing will show what can be done when racing is run professionally -- top-class international fields, picture perfect tracks, top-corner display of race sectionals etc.

Yesterday we again had tears in our eyes as the 'good 3' Flemington track predictably returned results -- times and winners -- that were consistent with 'slow' going: it is apparently beyond the capacity of the VRC to understand, measure make punters aware of the effect of strong winds.

Especially in the wake of disrupted racing on Cup Day, that lack of professionalism is 'shocking'.

On the day, it is very difficult to get the 'times' and 'sectionals' that would warn punters of something going wrong --- before TIC winning again, in similarly worrying circumstances, makes it bleeding obvious.

There were were garbled reports that the Flemington track had needed 'remedial maintenance' after the carnival week: it would be interesting to have details of what was done -- was the course top-dressed with sand again  -- TIC seemed to know the details?

The management of racing in Victoria needs to recruit someone to the team who has a passing familiarity with product quality control.

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« 2009-Dec-13, 09:42 AM Reply #1 »
Tears I cry.. I'm not so sure hes been as out of form as everyone thinks.. I mean, didnt beat a whole lot the day he won the Emirates it was a bloody weak field when ya take out Weekend Hussler, which you can do because he didnt want to race that day.  But to think this horse couldnt win at Mildura.. Surely just rocked up yesterday and thought yeah I might have a go today.

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« 2009-Dec-13, 10:10 AM Reply #2 »

 Punting is a tough game....don't expect consistent results in melbourne...jockeys are going slow early so its hard to win from out back....at M/V they take off early ....in short as someone who walked flemington each day.of 4 day carnival , its a perfect track, but the jocks are riding tricky...you might be better off laying on betfair than betting on the race. Sound Journey W.Egan drawn 9 lay it !!! We race 7 days a week and i banned city melbourne 6 years ago ....more time to concentrate on a less looked at place where there is value  emthup

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« 2009-Dec-13, 10:16 AM Reply #3 »
After the race Ledger mate.. Where were you before the race layin Sound Journey?  lol  :p

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« 2009-Dec-13, 10:19 AM Reply #4 »
After the race Ledger mate.. Where were you before the race layin Sound Journey?  lol  :p

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« 2009-Dec-13, 10:32 AM Reply #5 »

TEARS I CRY: AUSTRALIAN RACING IS AMATEURISH

Later today, Hong Kong racing will show what can be done when racing is run professionally -- top-class international fields, picture perfect tracks, top-corner display of race sectionals etc.

Yesterday we again had tears in our eyes as the 'good 3' Flemington track predictably returned results -- times and winners -- that were consistent with 'slow' going: it is apparently beyond the capacity of the VRC to understand, measure make punters aware of the effect of strong winds.

Especially in the wake of disrupted racing on Cup Day, that lack of professionalism is 'shocking'.

On the day, it is very difficult to get the 'times' and 'sectionals' that would warn punters of something going wrong --- before TIC winning again, in similarly worrying circumstances, makes it bleeding obvious.

There were were garbled reports that the Flemington track had needed 'remedial maintenance' after the carnival week: it would be interesting to have details of what was done -- was the course top-dressed with sand again  -- TIC seemed to know the details?

The management of racing in Victoria needs to recruit someone to the team who has a passing familiarity with product quality control.

I'm sorry I don't like to be rude. But that reads like the editorials that fill the dailies these days - and has about as much credibility.

So the issue is we don't have international class fields every day??
Neither does HK...actually their best horses day to day are predominantly Aust bred as are quite a few of todays visitors.

Picture perfect tracks??
Flemington looks pretty good to me these days. Beyond that comparing HK surfaces and Aust racing [they race how often, with how many tracks, with x horse population, with different climate and different weather - comparisons that are so generic are just pointless.

Correct we don't display sectionals in the top of the screen.

What was the disrupted racing on cup day? Missed that one.

These posts, I don't know what they add. They're too generic to add anything and beyond that...

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« 2009-Dec-13, 12:08 PM Reply #6 »


DISRUPTED RACING ON CUP DAY (AND YESTERDAY, AMONG OTHER DAYS)


Racing at Flemington is disrupted by a 50 km (and 30 km) headwind up the straight, as it was on Cup day (and yesterday).

Strong winds at Flemington are a factor that should be measured and reported as essential information for punters: strong winds favour horses running with cover and, it seems, those suited by affected going.

Its not shocking -- its a factor that needs to be recognised (it could hardly have been missed in the Cup).

The view that my posts read like editorials in the racing media needs to be reconsidered -- the popular racing media is not permitted to make the  comments I do, and that's why the forum is important.

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« 2009-Dec-13, 12:11 PM Reply #7 »
  But you did leave Tears I Cry out of the quaddie ????

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« 2009-Dec-13, 12:31 PM Reply #8 »
whilst i love the international day at hong kong , overall i find there racing dull and boring.

thats what is good about australian racing, all the characters and bit players who make it a great sport and spectacle.

whilst the quality of horses in HK has improved over the years they still fall a long way short of australian standards.


the positive with HK is the fact they have less racing  ;)

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« 2009-Dec-13, 09:25 PM Reply #9 »

TEARS I CRY: AUSTRALIAN RACING IS AMATEURISH


There were were garbled reports that the Flemington track had needed 'remedial maintenance' after the carnival week: it would be interesting to have details of what was done -- was the course top-dressed with sand again  -- TIC seemed to know the details?


If you bothered to listen to the track manager the track had been scarified, verti drained, mown down, sprayed for winter grass and fertilised. Regular maintenance that all professional turf surfaces go through in spring.


DISRUPTED RACING ON CUP DAY (AND YESTERDAY, AMONG OTHER DAYS)


Racing at Flemington is disrupted by a 50 km (and 30 km) headwind up the straight, as it was on Cup day (and yesterday).

Strong winds at Flemington are a factor that should be measured and reported as essential information for punters: strong winds favour horses running with cover and, it seems, those suited by affected going.

Its not shocking -- its a factor that needs to be recognised (it could hardly have been missed in the Cup).



You at least give me a good laugh Ol'Pete, while you continue to bleat about everything, ever though about how this would be reported?

Remember you're talking about wind, it isn't constant  ;) it fluctuates, how could anyone give a reliable reading  :chin:

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« 2009-Dec-13, 09:42 PM Reply #10 »
I'm sorry I don't like to be rude. But that reads like the editorials that fill the dailies these days - and has about as much credibility.

These posts, I don't know what they add. They're too generic to add anything and beyond that...

It's not an editorial - it's a press release.  That is how it comes out to me.  Peter really wants to be taken seriously by the mainstream media - they rightly ignore him, so he comes to places like this.  Personally, I think he is a poor punter who tries to hide the fact by writing these types of posts to make him seem smarter than the rest of us.  That comes through in what he posts - I'm smarter than you, I don't win, therefore there must be something evil stopping me (wind, watering, too many races, races that are not run in Victoria, quaddie approximates not available etc).

Of course, I could be wrong, he could be highly succesful as a punter, but if so, why whinge about so many things?

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« 2009-Dec-13, 09:45 PM Reply #11 »
That horse should run on the gay and lesbian day.

It doesn't know whether it wants to be a good horse or not.

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« 2009-Dec-14, 08:10 PM Reply #12 »
I really don't think he bets - which is funny because he purports to represent the punter - but every time he ventures into topics about punting he shows a dismal lack of knowledge on the topic.

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« 2009-Dec-14, 08:28 PM Reply #13 »
 GamblingMan  This post was hidden by a moderator(In my opinion it could misconstrued easily.)          

Really?

Heaven fobid.

One thing we don't want is for posts that could be "misconstrued".

Just imagine, if all posts that could get be "misconstrued" got through so that those who might misconstrue them did misconstrue them.

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« 2009-Dec-14, 08:32 PM Reply #14 »
Just imagine, if all posts that could get be "misconstrued" got through so that those who might misconstrue them did misconstrue them.

You trying to give me a migraine ?  :stop:

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« 2009-Dec-14, 09:16 PM Reply #15 »
GamblingMan  This post was hidden by a moderator(In my opinion it could misconstrued easily.)          

Really?

Heaven fobid.

One thing we don't want is for posts that could be "misconstrued".

Just imagine, if all posts that could get be "misconstrued" got through so that those who might misconstrue them did misconstrue them.

 emthdown emthdown


If you really have a problem and aren't just kicking up a fuss keyboard warrior style on a boring Monday night, feel free to PM me and we'll have a chat about it.

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« 2009-Dec-15, 06:53 AM Reply #16 »
As usual JWH is right.

This forum is shrinking quickly as a result of over moderation and deleting a post because it might be misconstrued is absurd.

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« 2009-Dec-15, 08:33 AM Reply #17 »
As usual JWH is right.

This forum is shrinking quickly as a result of over moderation and deleting a post because it might be misconstrued is absurd.


I think Deleting/Hiding something that adds nothing off substance to a thread, & is at best is construed as borderline Homophobic is the right thing to do, in my opinion over moderation would be to delete posts that are relevant.

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« 2009-Dec-15, 10:40 AM Reply #18 »
Oh, I think adults can handle borderline homophobia.

Even outright homophobia, if it comes to that.

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« 2009-Dec-15, 11:32 AM Reply #19 »
Oh, I think adults can handle borderline homophobia.

Even outright homophobia, if it comes to that.


Hardly the point, it is just like any Racist or Sexist comment/post, it'll be removed.

If you think stuff like that adds to the forum, then maybe this isn't the place for you.

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« 2009-Dec-15, 11:46 AM Reply #20 »
There is plenty of stuff that does not add to the forum but unless it is over the top we really should not meddle in it.

It will drive people away, going over the top with moderation.   :chin:

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« 2009-Dec-15, 11:48 AM Reply #21 »
It certainly is the point.

You censor a post which could be easily construed as homophobic.

So you will delete any post which you feel could be easily construed as racist, or be easily construed as sexist.

What about posts which could easily be constued as in poor taste?

What about posts which could easily be construed as wrong?

So you make the judgement as to what could be easily construed as any of the above?






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« 2009-Dec-15, 12:43 PM Reply #22 »
It certainly is the point.

You censor a post which could be easily construed as homophobic.

So you will delete any post which you feel could be easily construed as racist, or be easily construed as sexist.

What about posts which could easily be constued as in poor taste?

What about posts which could easily be construed as wrong?

So you make the judgement as to what could be easily construed as any of the above?



Somebody has to don't they?

Why you think it's fine for people to post racist, sexist, threatening, homophobic comments is what interests me, this is a Horse Racing forum after all.


Also I've hidden one post in about 2 weeks which was this one, hardly over moderating.
« Last Edit: 2009-Dec-15, 01:06 PM by Tevez17 »

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« 2009-Dec-15, 12:51 PM Reply #23 »
Dont worry Tev your fine mate.   :biggrin:     emthup

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« 2009-Dec-15, 12:54 PM Reply #24 »
  :lol:   :lol:   :lol: ...Tears I cry...  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:  :whistle:


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