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Offline Authorized

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O.P. « 2018-Oct-15, 11:33 AM »

THE AUTUMN SUN (AUS)Bay colt 2015 
Redoute's Choice
Bay 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
Spring Adieu
Bay 1974
Buckpasser
Natalma
1963
1957
1-s
2-d
Shantha's Choice
Bay 1992
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Jesmond Lass
Chestnut 1975
Lunchtime
Beautiful Dreamer
1970
1967
7-f
14>
Dancing Show
Bay 1983
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Show Lady
Bay 1976
Sir Ivor
Best in Show
1965
1965
8-g
8-f
Azmiyna
Bay 2010
Galileo
Bay 1998
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Anatevka
1967
1969
1-d
9-h
Asmara
Bay 1993
Lear Fan
Bay 1981
Roberto
Bay 1969
Hail to Reason
Bramalea
1958
1959
4-n
12-c
Wac
Bay 1969
Lt Stevens
Belthazar
1961
1960
5-h
20>
Anaza
Bay 1986
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Delsy
1975
1972
1-l
13-c
Azaarika
Bay 1976
Ribero
Arcana
1965
1971
4-c
4-i
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m,5m x 4m Natalma5m,5f x 5m

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« 2018-Oct-15, 02:50 PM Reply #1 »
Reading between the lines of the interview with Messara that Auth mentions, I doubt we will see him race too much more.

I'm guessing:

- spell now
- Hobartville
- Randwick Guineas
- one or two more starts
- off to stud at $66k per serve

https://www.racing.com/news/2018-10-15/news-john-messara-couldnt-bear-beating-winx

As such, he probably will never run in a Cox Plate if it is not this year, although Messara did not rule out a possible international trip or the unlikely scenario that he would race on as a four-year-old next spring.

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Any talk of a derby for the horse is finished however.
"With his increased value as a stallion there is no need to push him out that far. He's got enough brilliance to win over the shorter distances."


If he is going to be put into cotton wool before a stud career I'm losing interest already   :sleep:

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« 2018-Oct-15, 08:18 PM Reply #2 »
Bugger me, a Galileo mare.
The gods collide.
Danehill Galileo cross ..royalty.
Hopefully he travels the world.

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« 2018-Oct-15, 08:22 PM Reply #3 »
He will win the Queen Anne and that will be him done.

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« 2018-Oct-16, 09:18 AM Reply #4 »
Unless Waller keeps him racing by winning everything.
I hope.

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« 2018-Oct-16, 01:32 PM Reply #5 »
It's a strange racing era we live in when the owners not only don't want to race against her in case he gets hammered but also don't want to race against her in case he wins and spoils her story.

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« 2018-Oct-16, 02:18 PM Reply #6 »

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2018-Oct-16, 02:40 PM Reply #7 »
Yes, Mr Messara Has his marketing hat on. A smart move and justified

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« 2018-Oct-16, 03:35 PM Reply #8 »
Look at Trapeze Artist. They raced on and knocked back a lucrative offer.

Since then, he has not won but won prize money. Has his stud value enhanced so I doubt it.

The owner wanted to race and especially after the tragic accident of his wife, I applaud his decision as it is a good thing for racing in general.

Autumn Sun would be great for racing especially after Winx finishes her career. However the importantance of stud value is higher to the owners regardless of their role in racing.

You can’t begrudge them but feel disappointed at not seeing him compete for another couple of years.

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« 2018-Oct-16, 04:25 PM Reply #9 »
You can’t begrudge them

Well I can begrudge them.

How much  :censored: ing money does one need in life?



 

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« 2018-Oct-16, 09:06 PM Reply #10 »
Well I can begrudge them.

How much  :censored: ing money does one need in life?

Agree.

Caulfield Guineas winner The Autumn Sun will be spelled on the spring grass and will not race again this year.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/turf-thoroughbreds/caulfield-cup-yucatan-ruled-out-with-fluid-in-joints/news-story/1587d614338bee9bc67e6ce2e2d63272

We will never know if we have a Derby champion.

Whilst his wins have been impressive, it should be noted that it has been against his age peers with equal weights.

It proves he is the best of his class. But a "champion"?

Surely he needs some more achievements before you can call him this, or anywhere near this for that matter.

We will never know how good he really is because the owners do not appear to be running him as a 4YO.

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« 2018-Oct-16, 10:37 PM Reply #11 »
Tend to agree. Looked super Saturday, sitting wide and strolling home. But lets face it; has so far only raced own age and the ability of those he beat is questionable. An analysis of times for the day certainly doesn't suggest anything flash. The Williams 2400 metre winner even throttled down ran a faster closing sectional. Bit premature to be called a Champion.

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« 2018-Oct-17, 07:44 AM Reply #12 »

How much  :censored: ing money does one need in life?

Good question.
In considering retirement but no idea what i need

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« 2019-Feb-22, 09:54 PM Reply #13 »
The Autumn Sun inoculated for Royal Ascot

Superstar colt The Autumn Sun has been inoculated for a possible trip to Royal Ascot, as part-owner John Messara conceded Winx would be “nearly impossible to beat” in her swansong autumn campaign.

Chris Waller was keen on a trip to Royal Ascot from the moment The Autumn Sun blitzed his rivals in the Caulfield Guineas last spring – Waller said he missed taking on the world with Winx and he wouldn’t miss the chance with The Autumn Sun.

And now Arrowfield Stud boss John Messara – who owns 50 percent of The Autumn Sun – has revealed the colt has been inoculated for a possible mission to race in front of the Queen at Royal Ascot.

The Queen Anne Stakes – a 1600m race at Royal Ascot in June previously touted as a possible target for Winx – could be a potential target.

However Messara also indicated he was far from convinced about the merits of an overseas trip for the valuable colt.

“He (Chris Waller) has more than flagged it (Royal Ascot) – he has inoculated him,” Messara said, on Sky Racing’s The Road To The Championships TV show.

“I have always wanted to go over there.

“I’m not certain this is the horse we can do it with because he is potentially so valuable.

“We have had to pay a huge amount to buy into him, I’d be worried about the dangers, not of getting beaten so much, but of sickness, travel sickness that sort of thing happening

“He is our replacement for the great Redoute’s Choice who is a rising 22-year-old this year – I’ve got to protect him (The Autumn Sun) in any way that I can.

“I went into him with a view that he would be a stallion for Arrowfield in the next short while.

“Having said that, if he goes through and is very dominant it is attractive to carry on a bit.”

One plus with an overseas campaign for The Autumn Sun is that a winning mission would boost his standing in the northern hemisphere and make him an even more valuable proposition as a dual-hemisphere stallion.


http://cwallerracing.com/the-autumn-sun-inoculated-for-royal-ascot/

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« 2019-Feb-23, 08:41 AM Reply #14 »
First step is wining today, and winning well, which surely the colt will do.

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« 2019-Mar-09, 08:32 PM Reply #15 »
He did.
And he did it again today, Zenyatta style.
Wow. No way could he win 200 out...
Big loping stride, opposite of Winx.
Unreal today.
Ice ride by McEvoy

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« 2019-Mar-09, 09:22 PM Reply #16 »
Lucky to win today as 2nd horse hit lead too early when leader collapsed. Saying that, an amazing sprint.

I would love to see him miss the Doncaster and head towards Derby or QE Stakes.


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« 2019-Mar-10, 05:14 AM Reply #17 »
Didn't impress me as much as he has some.


I agree with Jeunes.  2nd horse had to go to early and still almost held him off.


He seems to be looking for more ground.


Winx would kill him over 2000m. 

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« 2019-Mar-10, 12:08 PM Reply #18 »
Before we all start being emphatic...one should look at sectionals surely.
Wonder what his last 800,600,400,200 were...?
Was he quickest last 600 of the day?
I will get back to you.
I have however not been as excited after the post in a while...a great race visually surely.  emthup

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« 2019-Mar-10, 12:13 PM Reply #19 »
Randwick TRACK record for 1600m. Beating Hartnells record in Epsom.
After muddling start...a bit of rain.
Not bad.

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« 2019-Mar-10, 12:35 PM Reply #20 »
SL, the run was impressive but look how quick the race was run. I am not knocking him but the 2nd horse ran a bottler too as she sat off the pace.

I agree with FZ, he looks like he needs further or a hot pace. if you looked at the race, he reminded me about Occy without the explosiveness. He just has a will to win.

He could be the first horse to win the Sydney 3YO Triple Crown after the first race was changed to 1600m.


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« 2019-Mar-10, 02:16 PM Reply #21 »
Always hard to judge  a 3 year old running against other 3 year old's but a 3 year old running a track record with 56.5 kg is stunning.

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« 2019-Mar-10, 02:28 PM Reply #22 »
Yes, but remember Red, Winx would beat him.  :lol:
Therefore, not that impressive..  :lol: .

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« 2019-Mar-11, 06:30 AM Reply #23 »
Needs to be considered as well that he’s not fully would up.
In His Caulfield Guineas win he was rock hard fit and raced on the pace rather than giving away huge starts.
Next start could be amazing :thumbsup:

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« 2019-Mar-11, 08:45 AM Reply #24 »
Too true Wiles.


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