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« 2017-Feb-07, 10:35 AM Reply #50 »
I do not think there is any need for you to sell it PP7, It will cost $1.8 million up front.

Mate I'm not selling anything....just responding to those who propagate "fake news"  ;)

As for the $1.8 million, worst case scenario they will get $525,000 back.

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« 2017-Feb-07, 04:14 PM Reply #51 »

- PV makes the very good point that syndicates will think nothing of spending $425k at the sales and often get no return, so statistically a $425k investment in The Everest is probably a far better deal.



I reckon PV is being a little disingenuous don't you?

How many $425k yearling would be syndicated in the true sense like Dynamic, Darby, Elite etc etc? I'd say very few  ;)

As for statistics, is a 50% chance of doing your dough cold really better?  :chin:
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« 2017-Feb-07, 06:05 PM Reply #52 »
V'Landys said "To the general public it doesn’t matter if it’s a Group 1; for the purists and the trainers and the stud books, etc, it does, but for us we’re using this for marketing. The normal person wouldn’t really know what a Group 1 or a maiden is."

I somehow recall V'Landys once saying "the average punter would not know whether the deduction rate was 15% or 25 % from a particular bet type"..seems as if he still treats the average punter as a mug, which most probably are !!!!

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« 2017-Feb-07, 07:15 PM Reply #53 »
So the old harness racing boy V' Landys reckons that the "normal " person (whatever that is ) "wouldn't really know what a Group 1 or maiden is". Must be fantastic to be born with such a superior thought process to your clients or potential customers. Gee he could be right;  but I have no doubt both groups could recognize a dunce. To coin an old Australian phrase this clown" rings the shed".

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« 2017-Feb-08, 02:06 AM Reply #54 »
I reckon PV is being a little disingenuous don't you?

How many $425k yearling would be syndicated in the true sense like Dynamic, Darby, Elite etc etc? I'd say very few  ;)


Spending $425k at the sales and buying $425k yearlings are two different things Gin  :o

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« 2017-Feb-08, 02:09 AM Reply #55 »
So the old harness racing boy V' Landys reckons that the "normal " person (whatever that is ) "wouldn't really know what a Group 1 or maiden is". Must be fantastic to be born with such a superior thought process to your clients or potential customers. Gee he could be right;  but I have no doubt both groups could recognize a dunce. To coin an old Australian phrase this clown" rings the shed".

We need a separate thread for "V'Landys bashing" - seems to creep in "off topic" at every opportunity  ;)

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« 2017-Feb-08, 04:00 PM Reply #56 »
Spending $425k at the sales and buying $425k yearlings are two different things Gin  :o

I don't get your point PP  :shrug:

Still as I said I struggle to see the comparison PV used.

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« 2017-Feb-08, 09:00 PM Reply #57 »
I'm sure Turf Deli won't mind this being posted here   :lol:

MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT - THE NONG

We are proud today to launch The Nong, an exciting new concept that will have Australian horse racing shaking its collective head and saying “WTF”?

The Nong is named after the majestic Mount Dandenong whose lofty peaks soar at up to six hundred metres over Melbourne and can take several challenging minutes to scale by bus.

The race itself is quite similar to the recently announced ten million dollar The Everest – except it is modified for middle and lower class peasants.

The Nong will be an unique event in Australian and indeed, world racing as entry will be solely by turnip and strictly limited to those who own a turnip. No turnip means no entry and don’t ask again as refusal often offends.

The concept is startlingly simple. Ten slots will be available in the race each year, to be purchased on a twenty five year rotating lease by people we know prior to this announcement of the event. Each slot owner can sell, trade or lease their turnips for other turnips, or alternatively partner with someone without a turnip, but preferably with a horse. Unique to this event is that slots can also be species traded locally and internationally, as long as the species has four legs and a tail, or looks, or sounds like a horse. Interest from two person horse costumes is welcomed, but for integrity reasons guinea pigs are obviously excluded to avoid the race becoming a laughing stock.

The prize money pool will also be based on revenue from the turnips and turnip based promotional activities, bringing close to no revenue to Australian racing, but making a great, flashy press release. . The race itself will be run under WTF conditions over the traditional distance of 1347.23 metres, ensuring world record breaking times.

Racing spokesman Mr V ‘Ested Interest said “ We are hoping to turn around falling racing popularity as nowhere previously has showcased the finest turnips and horse flesh in the one event. This event is unprecedented anywhere in the world, and the obviously the last thing we would want to do is to further reinforce the general public opinion that racing is an out of touch, elitist sport run by rich, old men”.




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« 2017-Feb-08, 09:05 PM Reply #58 »
Brilliant

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« 2017-Feb-08, 09:21 PM Reply #59 »
I'm sure Turf Deli won't mind this being posted here     :lol:  

MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT - THE NONG

We are proud today to launch The Nong, an exciting new concept that will have Australian horse racing shaking its collective head and saying “WTF”?

The Nong is named after the majestic Mount Dandenong whose lofty peaks soar at up to six hundred metres over Melbourne and can take several challenging minutes to scale by bus.

The race itself is quite similar to the recently announced ten million dollar The Everest – except it is modified for middle and lower class peasants.

The Nong will be an unique event in Australian and indeed, world racing as entry will be solely by turnip and strictly limited to those who own a turnip. No turnip means no entry and don’t ask again as refusal often offends.

The concept is startlingly simple. Ten slots will be available in the race each year, to be purchased on a twenty five year rotating lease by people we know prior to this announcement of the event. Each slot owner can sell, trade or lease their turnips for other turnips, or alternatively partner with someone without a turnip, but preferably with a horse. Unique to this event is that slots can also be species traded locally and internationally, as long as the species has four legs and a tail, or looks, or sounds like a horse. Interest from two person horse costumes is welcomed, but for integrity reasons guinea pigs are obviously excluded to avoid the race becoming a laughing stock.

The prize money pool will also be based on revenue from the turnips and turnip based promotional activities, bringing close to no revenue to Australian racing, but making a great, flashy press release. . The race itself will be run under WTF conditions over the traditional distance of 1347.23 metres, ensuring world record breaking times.

Racing spokesman Mr V ‘Ested Interest said “ We are hoping to turn around falling racing popularity as nowhere previously has showcased the finest turnips and horse flesh in the one event. This event is unprecedented anywhere in the world, and the obviously the last thing we would want to do is to further reinforce the general public opinion that racing is an out of touch, elitist sport run by rich, old men”.




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Thanks! Was about to post it here, but good to see it has already got around...

That was from our Facebook page in case anyone want to see the original with graphic.
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« 2017-Feb-09, 12:38 AM Reply #60 »
Well said David Fowler. Mark Latham's "social media chattering classes" take note:

MY CALL: WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE IN PURSUIT OF FAILURE?

By David Fowler | Tuesday, February 7, 2017 ON HRO

David Fowler is the principal thoroughbred caller for Radio TAB. David, who is a keen form student and punter, has enjoyed a lifetime involvement in the racing media. His personal blog, ‘My Call’, appears exclusively on HRO.

Why are so many people so swift to criticise and almost zealous in their pursuit to secure failure?

It's not just a racing thing but in this case it is...the announcement of the $10 million race The Everest.

Last Wednesday's release was a bombshell and that's a coup in itself in today's media environment.

The secret had been very well kept after months of planning. That's right, discussion and consultation with all of the right people over a long period of time.

The keyboard warriors must have been disappointed they weren't given a call. Their almost instantaneous voice of disapproval suggested it had been dreamt up overnight.

And on they went, complaining of elitism and the race being in the hands of a few leading studs.

And they all agreed with each other as members of the "mutual admiration society" so what they said must be right, mustn't it ?

I'm a passionate supporter of our democratic system and would be the first to say everyone is entitled to an opinion. No brainer.

But why is the tone on Twitter or Facebook so strident and demeaning on occasions?

Who are these people?

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The knee-jerk reactionaries rarely let facts spoil a good story.

It was too elitist and most wouldn't be able to put their hat in the ring because of the $1.8 million buy-in over three years for a starting position.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

In fact, I see this pay-up as one of the potential strengths of the concept.

There is the real possibility that the corporate world or big business will be attracted to this and will be more than happy to stump up.

There is generous flexibility within the $1.8 million. Expect the phone of the battler with the giant killer sprinter to be ringing hot.

Imagine what a big business outfit can do with such an opportunity in terms of marketing or advertising, bringing racing into a wider audience.

Yes, of course, the world's major nurseries will be playing a part but what's wrong with that?

Ever thought a race like The Everest might extend the racing life of a brilliant three-year-old rather than be whisked off to the breeding barn ?

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You would be naive to think there isn't some Sydney versus Melbourne rivalry in this whole box of tricks.

But here are two more myths to bust.

This hue and cry that The Everest will strip Caulfield Guineas Day of it limelight and glamour is laughable.

The Caulfield Guineas is generally a terrific contest but I wouldn't call it nation-stopping.

Most Spring Carnival enthusiasts, of the wider racing audience, stump up from Caulfield Cup day.

And the notion that because of the $10 million purse, The Everest will challenge the Melbourne Cup's supremacy, is not even worth entertaining.

The Melbourne Cup will always be the nation's greatest race and doesn't have to get tangled up in any silly prizemoney wars to maintain that standing.

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Racing NSW has done more for racing participants than any other state by a country mile.

Taking a stand on several issues has been vindicated in outstanding returns to participants across the Board.

The Everest concept is a bold but calculated gamble.

It should be embraced rather than cheaply criticised.

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« 2017-Feb-09, 01:08 AM Reply #61 »
I reckon PV is being a little disingenuous don't you?

How many $425k yearling would be syndicated in the true sense like Dynamic, Darby, Elite etc etc? I'd say very few  ;)


Spending $425k at the sales and buying $425k yearlings are two different things Gin  :o

I don't get your point PP  :shrug:

Still as I said I struggle to see the comparison PV used.

The average sale price at the Magic Million's sale was being proudly announced to the media as being over $200k - not sure what it ended up

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/magic-millions-first-day-average-sale-price-over-200000-already/news-story/322787e4e5ad419bf5bd8236304a9092

So people spending $200k on average on a single unraced yearling seems OK, but people spending $425k on a slot in a $10 million race is worthy of such reaction?

I think the point is obvious.

A lot of the "criticism" (not all) is coming out of Victoria who obviously have their noses a bit out of joint.

This is what happens when you are burdened with a board of directors from your major racing body who seem to think "innovation" is changing the names on the 1-10 scale of track ratings to get rid of the word "dead" because of the negative connotations, institute 30 minute gaps between races including Saturdays which the Melbourne Race Clubs rejected, and signed a "fantastic" deal for broadcast rights which cost them money instead of the other way around, and whose success can be judged by the fact that Channel 7 refuses to release the ratings figures to Oztam.

And where are they all now? Oh that's right, all effectively sacked.

Maybe if they had been taking notice of Racing NSW's innovations like increasing country racing prizemoney and putting on things like Country and Provincial Championships, having country racing "showcase" days where they add $10k to the minimum prizemoney, The Championships themselves (remember the same sorts of criticisms of V'Landys when he announced that?), getting a few extra percentage points out of the corporates via Racefields and fighting them all the way to the High Court and winning (noted the Vics now use this in spite of zero support when the fight was on), the TAB Highway handicaps that have been so popular they have been extended well beyond their expected cycle, and probably a heap of other things.

Now we get told Everest is a stupid idea from pretty much the same people who said The Championships were a stupid idea, and told it is "elitist" by journalist who probably get free food and drink in the priveleged areas at Flemington on Cup Day.

You guys sholud listen to yourselves once in a while.   :biggrin:

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« 2017-Feb-09, 10:15 AM Reply #62 »
Suppose the 12 slots collude on a different prize money split?

2622
1300
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600 * 9

So they all get a free run at that $2.8 million V'landys has generously donated.

Great deal for the slots.

But imagine the side effects on the whole promotion.


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« 2017-Feb-09, 11:58 AM Reply #63 »
"This is what happens when you are burdened with a board of directors from your major racing body who seem to think "innovation" is changing the names on the 1-10 scale of track ratings to get rid of the word "dead" because of the negative connotations, institute 30 minute gaps between races including Saturdays which the Melbourne Race Clubs rejected, and signed a "fantastic" deal for broadcast rights which cost them money instead of the other way around, and whose success can be judged by the fact that Channel 7 refuses to release the ratings figures to Oztam."

Seem to remember all the social media "chatterers" attacking each of these changes as well. Shame on them - they should stick to the turnips.

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« 2017-Feb-10, 11:35 AM Reply #64 »
Well said David Fowler. Mark Latham's "social media chattering classes" take note:

MY CALL: WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE IN PURSUIT OF FAILURE?

By David Fowler | Tuesday, February 7, 2017 ON HRO

David Fowler is the principal thoroughbred caller for Radio TAB. David, who is a keen form student and punter, has enjoyed a lifetime involvement in the racing media. His personal blog, ‘My Call’, appears exclusively on HRO.

Why are so many people so swift to criticise and almost zealous in their pursuit to secure failure?

It's not just a racing thing but in this case it is...the announcement of the $10 million race The Everest.

Last Wednesday's release was a bombshell and that's a coup in itself in today's media environment.

The secret had been very well kept after months of planning. That's right, discussion and consultation with all of the right people over a long period of time.

The keyboard warriors must have been disappointed they weren't given a call. Their almost instantaneous voice of disapproval suggested it had been dreamt up overnight.

And on they went, complaining of elitism and the race being in the hands of a few leading studs.

And they all agreed with each other as members of the "mutual admiration society" so what they said must be right, mustn't it ?

I'm a passionate supporter of our democratic system and would be the first to say everyone is entitled to an opinion. No brainer.

But why is the tone on Twitter or Facebook so strident and demeaning on occasions?

Who are these people?

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I started to yawn when I read the author  :sleep: he's openingly shown in his posts here in the past that he believes his opinion is the only one that matters and poured scorn on anyone who isn't a name so it's ironic he's drawling on about democracy.

Remember - shouting the loudest doesn't make you the smartest.

Pass me a turnip please TD.

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« 2017-Feb-10, 12:46 PM Reply #65 »
Remember - shouting the loudest doesn't make you the smartest.

As recently exemplified by our esteemed(?) PM

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« 2017-Feb-10, 01:23 PM Reply #66 »
DJF's question in the title of his piece is quite valid

i.e. Why are so many people in pursuit of failure?

This rhetorical question to me encapsulates the negativity of both social and mainstream media, as exemplified on all the people bagging the idea of The Everest this far out.

Gin. I've seen you blame V'Landys for the poor deal the greyhounds signed up for in the past. You are not going to tell me there isn't a little bit of hatred of V'Landys over that matter driving your spray?

As for the others spraying V'Landys, I can tell you this.

On the ground in NSW there is no more respected sporting administrator. He is about to be appointed an NRL Commissioner, and has some very powerful people backing him because of no other reason than the fine work he has done in his current position.

It should be said he is backed up by a great organization that is getting praised from all comers - heard Brenton Avdulla praising Racing NSW post race at Newcastle on Tuesday and he joins many others grateful that we have such a competent body running racing in this state - especially when you see what is going on elsewhere.

My particular involvement in this forum (which will probably come to an end in the near future) was sourced back to the old MSN forum days where I was an advocate for country racing when there was very little advocacy. People worked for near subsistence money and no-one in the Sydney based racing corridors of power gave a stuff.

PV turned this around and you just only have to watch Sky Thoroughbred Central during the midweeks to see the gratitude expressed to Racing NSW for the job they have done for rural racing in NSW - a similar thing to Victoria it should be said. CRV does a very good job in looking after it's own. I feel as though my job is done   :biggrin:

As for the turnip comments, they are typical of the negativity that seems to have invaded what was once a nice place to visit.

You go through my recent posts and there are a hell of a lot of dud tips in there, posting of fields, racing related commentary and entries to competitions, and I try and not be too negative and crack a joke here and there. Occasionally stir up jfc   :lol:

You go through the recent posts of others and all you get is negative, spiteful stuff and zero contribution in terms of racing. Anything Peter V'Landy's says in public is scrutinized to the nth degree by a vocal minority - usually from outside NSW - and twisted and exaggerated without any recognition of what the guy has done.

No wonder DJF doesn't post here any more. Probably has more positive stuff to do with his life.

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« 2017-Feb-10, 08:53 PM Reply #67 »
DJF's question in the title of his piece is quite valid

i.e. Why are so many people in pursuit of failure?


Gin. I've seen you blame V'Landys for the poor deal the greyhounds signed up for in the past. You are not going to tell me there isn't a little bit of hatred of V'Landys over that matter driving your spray?



Totally false PP.

You need to go back over what I posted, never have I blamed him for a deal that was signed long before he had anything to do with racing.

Still PV showed in that video he was complicit in the knowledge of the decision that was to be handed down. How and why were never answered?

Instead of banding together as an industry with support he was dancing around the carcass. I'm sure he had plans to simply fill the void left by the dogs without even a blink of concern.

So spare me if I'm dirty on his actions.

I've always been supportive of the Championships and still do so I don't know where you get that idea from  :shrug: I was a long term ATC (STC) member who only handed my membership back when my circumstances changed which stopped me going regularly.

I'm always a glass half full guy but I'll call out 'bullshit' when I see it, it's what's got me in trouble over the time as people simply don't want to hear the truth.

This whole concept which every way I look at it just doesn't sit well with me, it just has that smell about it.

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« 2017-Feb-11, 04:58 AM Reply #68 »
Totally false PP.

You need to go back over what I posted, never have I blamed him for a deal that was signed long before he had anything to do with racing.

Still PV showed in that video he was complicit in the knowledge of the decision that was to be handed down. How and why were never answered?

Instead of banding together as an industry with support he was dancing around the carcass. I'm sure he had plans to simply fill the void left by the dogs without even a blink of concern.

So spare me if I'm dirty on his actions.

I've always been supportive of the Championships and still do so I don't know where you get that idea from  :shrug: I was a long term ATC (STC) member who only handed my membership back when my circumstances changed which stopped me going regularly.

I'm always a glass half full guy but I'll call out 'bullshit' when I see it, it's what's got me in trouble over the time as people simply don't want to hear the truth.

This whole concept which every way I look at it just doesn't sit well with me, it just has that smell about it.

Gin. That post reminds me of a famous quote from Alfred Hitchcock:

"I never said all actors are cattle; what I said was all actors should be treated like cattle."

We'll have to agree to disagree mate.

Love your work brother   :biggrin:


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« 2017-Feb-11, 05:29 PM Reply #69 »
And if the prospect of collusion isn't bad enough, what about dud slots?

There might be interest in bidding for the top 4 runners, but then you have 8 slots left which have no real prospect of finishing in front.

I'm looking forward to see who will be rash enough to buy slots, as most of them are likely to be very pissed off as the initiative staggers on.

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« 2017-Feb-12, 05:01 PM Reply #70 »
This race will have about as much relevance to the average punter as the silly fashion parade they put on, I reckon they will be lucky to get a full field, you will need a bloody good horse in the best form of it's life to warrant paying $600,000 for a start, let alone $1.8mill for 3 years......how many horses could back up 3 years in a row......and how many people are lucky enough get a different good horse 3 years in a row?..............and say if an owner bought multiple slots in the race and owned a Hay List.......and a Black Caviar wasn't in the race......would they sell their vacant spot to allow her in?....a $10mill race without the best horse? or if a Black Caviar was around how many others would pay $600,000 to run second at best?......this concept will not work if there is a champion on the horizon.....and even in a good year you may have 3 or 4 really good sprinters who may be willing tp pay to have a go...........but 12? what year did we have that many top class sprinters that would be willing to pay $600,000 when realistically the best they could hope for is a top 10 finish? it is only for mega rich, like yearling sales, more akin to Pyramid selling than Thoroughbred racing

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« 2017-Feb-12, 05:13 PM Reply #71 »
Let's take stock in three year's time.

If it's a flop the those who said it would be can say "I told you so" and those who supported it can say "It was worth a go, and non one died".

If it succeeds those who supported it can say "I told you so" and those who thought it would be a flop can say.............................ummmm what can they say except "I was wrong"

I support it.

 

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« 2017-Feb-12, 05:55 PM Reply #72 »
Hey JWH I never said it wouldn't be a success.....it just depends on your definition of success.....if you mean will it make the rich richer it will be a monumental success, no doubt.....will it make the public care more about racing.......I have my doubts......racing was always a sport of Kings everywhere but Australia..............until we decided to follow the leader into oblivion..........now it is the sport of Kings here and no one gives a damn..........who cares if Waller/Waterhouse/O'Shea etc trains a winner, we need Joe Janiaks/Vic Rail etc.............but if they have to have a Champion to get a big race winner it happens far too rarely to matter...........only genuine Handicaps make Romance possible on a regular basis, Hollywood has known since day dot you can't put bums on seats without romance.......the romance of the Turf is dead......the Everest has nothing to do with Romance of the turf, that is why it won't help racing, it is a plaything for the rich and as such they won't let it fail.....so you will have your hollow victory

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« 2017-Feb-12, 06:00 PM Reply #73 »
JWH,

you are daft.

This caper is essentially about punting.

Predictions, not wise after the fact.

Dave and I have approached this from different perspectives, mine being to have zero involvement with form and similar distracting crap.

However our conclusions essentially concur.

The Championships have been a fiasco. We know this because all objective statistics about it have been withheld.

This venture has nothing going for it. It's all about irrational pipe dreams involving middlemen.

I've finally made whatever wealth I've made by steering well clear of middlemen whenever possible.

Others may have made theirs' the opposite way.

But my bet is they are no sure thing to keep it, if they persist in that method.

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« 2017-Feb-12, 06:21 PM Reply #74 »
JWH,

you are daft.

You're not alone in that assessment.

Punting is an important aspect of racing as are all the other contributors including an ambulance being in attendance.

Racing has survived, maybe prospered, in Dubai without a gambling contribution.





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