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Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-01, 11:31 AM
$10,000,000  race built on similar lines to the Pegasus.

TDN Q&A With Peter V’landys

By Kelsey Riley

Royal Randwick racecourse in Sydney, Australia will host the world’s richest 1200-metre race and richest turf race on Oct. 14 with the inaugural running of the A$10-million The Everest. An initiative of Racing NSW and the Australian Turf Club, The Everest–which will be a weight-for-age race for 3-year-olds and up–will also be the richest race in Australia, dwarfing the A$6.2-million G1 Melbourne Cup. The Everest follows in the mould of The Stronach Group’s GI Pegasus World Cup, in that the 12 starting spots are available to purchase, for A$600,000. The purse will be fully funded by the entry fee as well as additional revenues generated from the event such as wagering, sponsor and broadcast revenues as well as other raceday revenues, and all profits will be distributed among the slot holders.

TDN International Editor Kelsey Riley caught up with Racing NSW Chief Executive Peter V’landys on Thursday to delve deeper into The Everest.

KR: The Everest is very much in the mould of the Pegasus World Cup. Was that the inspiration for the race?

PV: Absolutely. We thought the Pegasus was a great concept and we take our hats off to The Stronach Group for being pioneers and innovators. What we liked about it more than anything else was the marketing potential for Thoroughbred racing to a broader audience. I think The Stronach Group has achieved that because they got enormous coverage for racing in America that they would not normally get. Every effort they’ve put in will be rewarded, because it’ll have ongoing benefits to the branding of Thoroughbred racing in America.

We picked it up in a similar vein. We wanted a vehicle to promote Thoroughbred racing in New South Wales. We used the concept, and once we announced it we had racing on the front page of newspapers, and the lead story on free-to-air TV networks, so it achieved exactly what we were trying to do: promote racing to a bigger audience and take up some media space.

Ours is slightly different to the Pegasus–we’ve tailored it for us. We’re putting the money in which is the shortfall, that’s guaranteed. The holders put in A$7.2-million and we put in A$2.8-million, which is what we generate from sponsorships, wagering and other revenues, and any incremental revenue we get we will put into the race. In actual fact it’s only costing the slot holder A$425,000, because they’re guaranteed to get A$175,000 for running last.

(Editor’s Note: the prizemoney breakdown of The Everest is as follows: the winner will receive A$5.8-million, with A$2.4-million to second, A$800,000 to third, A$400,000 to fourth, A$250,000 to fifth, and sixth to 12th A$175,000)

The only difference with the way we’ve done it is that people have to commit themselves for three years. We want to make sure we’ve got the race, once we build the brand, and we’ve got the charisma of the race and the concept.

We believe one of the great aspects of it is that it has so many stories that can go with it. Let’s say I’ve got a great horse but I don’t have a slot; I’m going to negotiate with someone, or even I’m just an investor that’s never had a horse that goes into Japan and gets Japan to come to Australia at that time, and they share the prizemoney with those people. They’re the sort of stories you want to generate out to the media, and that’s why we love the concept. The first box has been ticked, it’s got enormous media coverage here in Australia, so now we’ve just got to get the 12 slot holders and go from there.

KR: What did you learn, both positive and negative, from the first running of the Pegasus that you think can help make your event a success?

PV: We love the concept about the slot holders. The negative was that they came across two champion horses in California Chrome and Arrogate, but that’s going to happen. That’s why we decided to make it 1200 metres for us here; there’s a massive pool of sprinters. We wanted to get a distance that wasn’t going to be dominated [by a couple of horses], so I guess the little weakness in the Pegasus–although there is no weakness because it’s a fantastic concept–was the fact that they were unlucky that there were two very good horses.

On the positive, they marketed it brilliantly. They got racing back in the media. I just think they’ve done a wonderful job, I take my hat off to them. This is what American racing needed. It was on a massive decline, to be realistic. It started with American Pharoah that generated enormous publicity, and The Stronach Group, which is very innovative, have taken advantage of that fanfare that was generated by American Pharoah with this concept.

KR: While the Pegasus was placed in a spot on the calendar that wouldn’t conflict with other major race meetings, The Everest has been placed in the heart of the spring racing season, and namely on Caulfield Guineas day. Why was this date chosen?

PV: One of our main objectives was to promote the sport to a broader audience. In order to do that you need to get as much media attention as possible. That period of time there is no competition. Our rugby league, which is one of the main sports, and the AFL have finished their seasons. It’d be like the basketball and the gridiron finishing their seasons in America, and there’s a lapse where you’ve got the chance to promote. That day there is no other major events on, and it was the best day to get that promotion.

We believe it’ll compliment the Victorian spring carnival because of the 1200 metre distance we’ve put it as. Two weeks later there’s a race at Moonee Valley for A$1-million [G1 Manikato S.], and there’s a race at Flemington for a further A$1-million [G1 Darley Classic] two weeks later. If a horse did come from overseas, not only can it run in the A$10-million Everest, but it can also run in the Manikato and then in the Darley. So it could assist the Victorian Spring Carnival in getting international sprinters. Yes, it clashes with the Guineas, but that was the date we had to place it on to get the maximum media exposure.

In the future we’re going to possibly look at running it on a Friday night under lights at Randwick. It’s not always going to stay where it is, we just needed to find a day where we could get some publicity and that was the day we selected. That’s one of the reasons we also selected the distance, because it does compliment the racing calendar.

KR: And I understand it took some time for you to decide on that distance for the race?

PV: We looked at all the distances. We’d been working on it for four or five months to get it right. We did market analysis, we consulted people, and it was very unusual for us over here that it didn’t leak out to the media. It was the best kept secret in racing. Yesterday it was on the front page: racing bombshell. It has a charisma all its own, this race, and that’s why we called it The Everest: the peak, and it’s got so many marketing components, it’s great.

KR: Whereas the Pegasus was placed to allow colts to get to studs in time for the breeding season, the placement of The Everest makes it so colts wouldn’t be able to retire to stud and cover a full book. Was this taken into consideration, and do you think this could be a positive for racing’s image by keeping star colts in training longer?

PV: It’s a positive for us because one major investor has come out and said they may keep their horses going for another 12 months rather than taking them to stud, which for us as the racing industry is great, to have those great horses still racing is a benefit.

KR: The Everest won’t be a black-type race in its first year. What is the process for receiving black-type in Australia, and subsequently reaching Group 1 level?

PV: We’ve haven’t made an application for it at this point. We wanted to get the concept up and going and then look at group and listed [status]. To the general public it doesn’t matter if it’s a Group 1; for the purists and the trainers and the stud books, etc, it does, but for us we’re using this for marketing. The normal person wouldn’t really know what a Group 1 or a maiden is. So we decided we’ll establish it, and then we’ll look at making it a Group 1 race in the future.

You’ve got to establish the race first and foremost and you’ve got to get the ratings. I think in America they swapped an existing Grade I race [the Donn H.]. We haven’t really looked into it too much here because we were just ensuring the concept worked first and foremost.

KR: And you’ll consider selling more than 12 slots if the interest is there?

PV: Correct. And what we’d do is put it back into the prizemoney. So if we were to sell two more slots it would become A$-11.2 million. And naturally we’d do that in agreement with the other slot holders, because we wouldn’t want someone thinking it’s 12 and then it goes to 14. We always want to be transparent.

KR: How much interest have you had from potential investors thus far, and did you float the idea past industry stakeholders before announcing it to test its viability?

PV: We’ve had a number of people seeking to be included in the expressions of interest, which is great. We haven’t even gone out on the road yet. It’s a very positive response. We analysed it with a couple of major players and they were extremely positive and thought we could sell the 12 slots quite easily. We did the market analysis and consulted in people we could trust that it wouldn’t leak out and they kept our confidence, including some of our leading trainers, owners and others.

KR: Australian sprinters have always been expected to travel overseas to prove their mettle. Do you think we could see the reverse here, where the best sprinters from other nations come to Australia for the world’s richest sprint race?

PV: That’s what we’re hoping. We’re better on our home ground. We go pretty good traveling but when you’re on your home ground you’re even better, aren’t you, so it’s about time they started coming on our home ground. And then we’ll beat them here as well!

KR: You said in your comments announcing The Everest that it would help promote racing to a wider audience. Are there marketing plans already in place to reach mainstream audiences?

PV: We’ve put a budget aside naturally for The Everest, and we will promote it in a big way. The beauty of the race and the concept is that it will generate its own publicity. We’re big into the social media and we’re investing a lot in our social media. For example LinkedIn, which is all the professional people, we’re going to market very hard through there. They’re the ones that have the higher disposable income and they’re the sort of customers that we’re looking to get into racing.

KR: You touched on it a little bit already but the race name, The Everest–how did you land on that?

PV: What’s the peak? We looked at The Pinnacle, we looked at a couple other things, and we said what’s the highest peak? The highest peak is The Everest–you’ve got to climb The Everest to get there. There’s a saying in Australia, if something’s too hard, you say it’s like climbing Everest. The peak of racing is going to be The Everest.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-01, 11:35 AM

Royal Randwick to host $10m Everest sprint at Spring Carnival — making it the richest race on turf

SYDNEY will host the world’s richest thoroughbred race on turf with the introduction of the $10 million The Everest to be run at Royal Randwick during October.

The Everest is set to attract the best racehorses from around the world for the 1200m sprint.

Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys confirmed the $10 million race will be run on October 14 during Sydney’s spring carnival.

The Everest’s $10 million stakes money replaces the $6.2 million Melbourne Cup as the nation’s richest race.

The only races with more prizemoney are the $US12 million Pegasus World Cup run in Florida and the $US10 million Dubai World Cup. Both of those northern hemisphere races are run on dirt tracks.

The Everest will be run over 1200m at famous Royal Randwick under weight-for-age conditions.

Australian sprinters are generally regarded as among the best in the world but have needed to travel overseas to race at England’s Royal Ascot or Hong Kong’s Sha Tin to prove themselves.

Over the last decade or so Australian champions like Black Caviar, Takeover Target, Miss Andretti and Chautauqua have travelled to the northern hemisphere and beaten the best in the world.

But The Everest now provides an opportunity for Aussie sprinters to race in their own backyard and take on the best overseas sprinters.

The massive prizemoney for The Everest will be predominantly funded by a huge entry fee of around $600,000.

The field will have a maximum of 12 runners and those buying an entry secure a start in the race. This entry can be leased or on-sold to others wanting to race for The Everest’s huge prizemoney and prestige.

WORLD’S RICHEST HORSE RACES

$US12 million — Pegasus World Cup — Gulfstream Park, Florida.

$US10 million — Dubai World Cup, Dubai, UAE

$10 million — The Everest — Royal Randiwck, Sydney

$6.2 million — Melbourne Cup — Flemington, Melbourne

LIKELY CONTENDERS FOR THE EVEREST

Chautauqua

Astern

Flying Artie

Speith

Extreme Choice

Star Turn

Fell Swoop

Malaguerra

#Plus overseas entries

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Feb-01, 12:31 PM
I can't see this concept working, there won't be enough local horses willing to fork out that sort of money to enter, and doubt overseas horses will want to come all this way for a sprint - especially not when Australian sprinters are normally better.

"The massive prizemoney for The Everest will be predominantly funded by a huge entry fee of around $600,000"

Does that mean if they only get 4 entries they will fill out the other $8 Million dollars to make up the prize pool?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-01, 01:31 PM
The appropriate clause is -

The field will have a maximum of 12 runners and those buying an entry secure a start in the race. This entry can be leased or on-sold to others wanting to race for The Everest’s huge

It is basically a gamble.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: theJudge on 2017-Feb-01, 03:03 PM
I can't see this concept working, there won't be enough local horses willing to fork out that sort of money to enter, and doubt overseas horses will want to come all this way for a sprint - especially not when Australian sprinters are normally better.

"The massive prizemoney for The Everest will be predominantly funded by a huge entry fee of around $600,000"

Does that mean if they only get 4 entries they will fill out the other $8 Million dollars to make up the prize pool?

Likely buyers would be studs?

Godolphin/ Coolmore/ China Horse Club/ Newgate Farm/ Arrowfield/ Singo&Harvey all possible buyers??

They then could do stud/entries to race deals with perspective 2yo colts?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2017-Feb-01, 04:16 PM
I would think the ATC and Racing NSW would have sounded out major players before the announcement.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Feb-01, 06:23 PM
Ray Thomas's list of contenders for this race are just stabs in the dark ........already connections of  two of the contenders Ray listed have indicated there are other options .......meanwhile south of the border the V'Landys' cheer squad didn't get a look in with Bruce Clarke on G1X asking some pertinent questions that escaped the attention of the NSW scribes.

https://www.g1x.com.au/news/racing/10-questions-to-climb-everest


Giddy Up :beer:

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-01, 06:27 PM
I would think the ATC and Racing NSW would have sounded out major players before the announcement.

Exactly right sobig.

Let's see how the concept goes before the typical kneejerk reaction of bagging anything "new" or anything "Racing NSW/V'Landys".

If it (the concept) works, imagine a race worth perhaps even more over 2000m at Flemington in the Spring and the field it would attract.

Winx vs. "The World". No need for her to go overseas.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Feb-01, 06:51 PM
 Listening to ABC drive today re The Everest and Ray Thomas was the go to opinion man.

For Ray Thomas to be introduced as a racing editor therefore suggesting some degree of impartiality is just plain ridiculous.
According to Ray it's all good, won't cost the industry a cent and the race will flow on beautifully into the Melbourne carnival.

Ray Thomas earns a fair slice of his salary from Sky Racing, who are under contract to say nothing negative about the industry, so well done Ray!

 
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-01, 09:01 PM
Exactly right sobig.

Let's see how the concept goes before the typical kneejerk reaction of bagging anything "new" or anything "Racing NSW/V'Landys".

If it (the concept) works, imagine a race worth perhaps even more over 2000m at Flemington in the Spring and the field it would attract.

Winx vs. "The World". No need for her to go overseas.

My trouble is the elitism of the concept.

It's just basically the rich kids playing among themselves as the cost would be prohibitive to all but a select few.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Feb-01, 09:12 PM
Actually happy to stick by my knee jerk reaction, this announcement today is a perfect example of everything that is WRONG with racing.   A single body working without consultation or care for the industry at a national level introduces an exclusive race solely for vested interests.

Compare what is happening in other sports:
- the AFL broadens appeal by introducing a women's league that is buzzing with publicity and interest in the general public. The AFL opens up new markets.
- cricket has Big Bash with more family appeal and cheaper tickets that has a whole new generation buzzing about cricket. Cricket opens up new markets.

Meanwhile, racing introduces a exclusive race solely for the vested interests of large studs.

There is no benefit to racing in the slightest - it merely is a competition for big studs to spend large amounts to compete against each other.

It does nothing to bring new owners into the sport, or make the existing owners more interested, it is purely for the big studs.
It does nothing to introduce racing to new crowds or new generations to arrest the long standing decline in interest.
It simply re-inforces the view that racing administration is out of touch with owners, punters and racegoers, and racing is an elite club run by the administrators for themselves and vested interests.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-01, 09:12 PM
My trouble is the elitism of the concept.

It's just basically the rich kids playing among themselves as the cost would be prohibitive to all but a select few.

It probably is "elitist", just like the people who get feted to attend the Magic Millions and spend untold amounts of money, or the celebrities and "the rich" who get special treatment at the Flemington Carnival in the restricted entry areas.

Elitism? Racing? Gimme a break Gin.   :lol:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-01, 09:14 PM
Actually happy to stick by my knee jerk reaction, this announcement today is a perfect example of everything that is WRONG with racing.   A single body working without consultation or care for the industry at a national level introduces an exclusive race solely for vested interests.


So does your criticism extend to the Magic Millions TD?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Feb-01, 09:30 PM
So does your criticism extend to the Magic Millions TD?

Magic Millions has a range of prices and the average owner can still participate - Flying Jess was bought for only $60,000 and has 20 owners. There are still 100s if not 1000s of owners who have shares in horses bought through those sales and have a chance to particpate. Though, from a punting point of view, never touch that meeting though as it is ridiculous.

The only horses that will be able to compete in "Everest" will be those owned or bought by large studs, it is racing by the rich and elite for the rich and elite. Even if your horse had won $1 Million you are not going to risk 60% of the winnings just to enter a race, when you can enter plenty of big races for close to nothing.

They should just go all the way and make it a crowd limit of 10 people too at a million dollars a head.

It does NOTHING to increase interest in racing amongst the general public, which is what racing so badly needs to stay relevant. Totally wrong priority.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-01, 09:59 PM
Magic Millions has a range of prices and the average owner can still participate - Flying Jess was bought for only $60,000 and has 20 owners. There are still 100s if not 1000s of owners who have shares in horses bought through those sales and have a chance to particpate. Though, from a punting point of view, never touch that meeting though as it is ridiculous.

The only horses that will be able to compete in "Everest" will be those owned or bought by large studs, it is racing by the rich and elite for the rich and elite. Even if your horse had won $1 Million you are not going to risk 60% of the winnings just to enter a race, when you can enter plenty of big races for close to nothing.

They should just go all the way and make it a crowd limit of 10 people too at a million dollars a head.

It does NOTHING to increase interest in racing amongst the general public, which is what racing so badly needs to stay relevant. Totally wrong priority.

But isn't Magic Millions almost the same thing?

i.e. owners fund the increased prizemoney by way of entry fees, and it is limited to an elite set of owners - those that purchased horses at the MM sales?

When you say:

"The only horses that will be able to compete in "Everest" will be those owned or bought by large studs"

that is not entirely true, is it.

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/article-display/MAJOR-ANNOUNCEMENT--The-Everest-Worlds-Richest-Turf-Event/21815

I don't mind people criticising the concept. It is a free country.

But I will point out that it hasn't even been run yet, and would like to see some consistency in criticisms lest they be accused of duplicity.

I can imagine Victorians being upset at losing the richest race but feel that will only be a temporary measure.

Personally I would like to see how it goes before offering up an opinion.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-01, 10:08 PM
An average racehorse owner is not an average person. Far from it.

Racing is an elitist sport.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-01, 10:23 PM
The date chosen is a "tell" I reckon.

2 or 3 weeks before the Coolmore Classic?

I can envisage that if the concept works, then we will see a second race in the series run along the same lines at the VRC carnival. Who knows. If it does work then maybe there will be a 1600m WFA race at Randwick same day leading into a rich 2000m WFA race at the VRC carnival?

Wouldn't surprise at all if the principal race clubs have already talked about it.

Manny Gelagotis is a fan:

Malaguerra is a horse that has no future at stud given he is a gelding and Manny Gelagotis, who operates as racing manager for his brother Peter, was clearly one who has applauded Racing NSW for their initiative.

"We've got two sprinters in Malaguerra and Illustrious Lad, who if their form warrants at the time, would be perfect for the race," he said.

"If you put up the money, you invariably get the best horse and we would definitely be looking at targeting the race if their form continues as it has been.

"We've got the best sprinters in the world here in Australia so why shouldn't we have a $10 million sprint race?

"We are always looking at the rest of the world and talking about how good they do things, how rich their races are.

"We've got the money here and well done to Racing NSW for putting it all together."

https://www.racing.com/news/2017-02-01/everest-to-force-stud-farms-rethink
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: whispering on 2017-Feb-01, 10:41 PM
You have to buy it in 3year packages.

What if its over subscribed? I see the big studs saying "we will give you a shot at this race, but also give us a share in the horse". Can realistically see Waller buying one as he can do the same.

We dont have 6 "world class" sprinters and spring means you'd have to be a good 3yo to win it. There are g1 sprints  in other countries a few weeks either side.

Why not up the autumn prize money and make a series of sprints that actually would help aus racing.

1200-1400-1600 championship? Win all 3 and get a few million? A battler might win it and thats always a good news story...

Or have millionaire shieks and racing administrators/stud owners have the keys to a 2.8 million dollar benefit hosted by racing nsw...

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-01, 10:49 PM
Crown bet already have a market up

https://crownbet.com.au/racing/horse-racing/randwick/20171014/race-1-499193-19853031

Some of the international horses in the market a

Lady Aurelia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Aurelia

Acapulco

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/211650/acapulco-set-for-return-to-royal-ascot

Limato

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limato

Peniaphobia
Aerovelocity
Lucky Bubbles (who actually started out here with Bjorn Baker before going to HK and ran 2nd to Chautauqua in the big sprint over there)
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: whispering on 2017-Feb-01, 11:28 PM
Sportsbet do too and winx is favourite.

If i had to bet id go aith pakistan star and not listentome, i think the HKJC would have a tickrt into this? Some big whales from asia might target this race with a good one
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Feb-01, 11:56 PM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/superracing/the-everest-looms-as-a-10-million-climb-too-far/news-story/939052c3b7f685a47d689a0a1ea44951

Within minutes of Wednesday’s launch, The Everest was widely panned, mainly because it demands a $1.8 million commitment for a “slot’’ over three years and a loss of $425,000 for connections of horses that finish in the bottom half of the 12-horse field.

VRC chief executive Simon Love, leading owner Rupert Legh and top trainer Robbie Griffiths were among many who slammed the notion of a significant upfront payment and the prospect of emerging from the richest turf race in the world with a six-figure debt.

“We support anything that is new and innovative and good luck to them,’’ Love said. “But the three-year commitment, with the huge payment to be involved, is surely high risk.

Critics say the concept is pitched to racing’s elite and would be an impossible sell to large syndicates, who race many of our horses, including top sprinters.

“This might result in a heap of billionaires with runners and some of the best sprinters not even running because their owners refuse to pay such a ludicrous sum to compete,’’ one Victorian official said.

Trainer Robbie Griffiths isn’t convinced by the concept will be a winner. Pictu Mark Dadswell

Griffiths, who trains arguably our top sprinter in The Quarterback, said he doubted the horse’s owners could be convinced to fork out $600,000 for an initial crack at a race that could prove a poison chalice.

“Our sprinters don’t earn as much as stayers. The Quarterback has earned $1.8m. Do you really think the owners are going to put in six hundred grand with a risk of running bottom half and losing most of it?’’ he said.

Many of the star colts on this year’s wish list — Flying Artie, Extreme Choice and Astern — are likely to already be at stud by the time the race is run, to earn up to $10 million in their first season of breeding.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-02, 03:56 AM
A Victorian newspaper saying it has been widely panned, quoting 3 Victorians.

Do a search on "Everest race" in Google - cannot see too much "panning". In fact it looks like it has been pretty well accepted.

It is a bold experiment. It might not work, but what is the point of bagging it before it is even tried?

Having a 3200m handicap for B-Grade stayers as your richest race - maybe that needs to be addressed. Year after year it seems to be won by pretty ordinary horses. Maybe Simon Love should embrace the idea and try and help out so that we can see some of the very best horses from around the world out here in Melbourne in the Spring instead of sending marketing people out all over the world to fawn over trainers to get horses out here for the Melbourne Cup, which, quite frankly, would struggle to win a listed staying event in Australia.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: fours on 2017-Feb-02, 04:44 AM
Hmmm,

The 3 years payment up front squarely makes this an attempted 'closed shop' publicity stunt for the players big enough to cough up that amount whilst keeping out the riff raff.

Sometimes such behaviour is illegal by the way - abuse of market power and such.

Fours
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-02, 06:44 AM
It probably is "elitist", just like the people who get feted to attend the Magic Millions and spend untold amounts of money, or the celebrities and "the rich" who get special treatment at the Flemington Carnival in the restricted entry areas.

Elitism? Racing? Gimme a break Gin.   :lol:

But PP you or I can go to the MM and spend a small amount for a share and get in on the ground level. The only exclusion to that race series is where the horse was brought from.

The entry fee is well beyond the reach of the vast majority of owners / horses.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: j.r.b. on 2017-Feb-02, 07:45 AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/superracing/the-everest-looms-as-a-10-million-climb-too-far/news-story/939052c3b7f685a47d689a0a1ea44951

Griffiths, who trains arguably our top sprinter in The Quarterback, said he doubted the horse’s owners could be convinced to fork out $600,000 for an initial crack at a race that could prove a poison chalice.


Who is "our"?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Feb-02, 09:54 AM
His clients.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Feb-02, 11:05 AM
Who is "our"?

Yes

I nearly choked when I read that.

 :bulb: My guess is TD is a part owner and The Quarterback is arguably the top spriner he and his mates have owned.



Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Feb-02, 01:52 PM
Yes

I nearly choked when I read that.

 :bulb: My guess is TD is a part owner and The Quarterback is arguably the top spriner he and his mates have owned.

I wish - THE QUARTERBACK is one of our favourite horses.

The article was from the Herald Sun, which is obviously an us vs them thing. Pretty sure the "our" refers to Victoria, though you would think MALAGUERRA would be Victoria's best sprinter. I think they are earned about the same in prizemoney now though.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-02, 02:47 PM
But PP you or I can go to the MM and spend a small amount for a share and get in on the ground level. The only exclusion to that race series is where the horse was brought from.

The entry fee is well beyond the reach of the vast majority of owners / horses.

The vast majority of owners/horses wouldn't make the field. Those considered have probably won a fair bit of prizemoney already.

Anyway, I think a few of you need to familiarize yourself with the format. I don't think the rules are what you think it is:

Twelve slots will be sold in The Everest through an expression of interest entitling the owner of the slot an entry in the field. The owners of these slots will be able to trade their position or alternatively partner with owners not holding a slot to enter a horse in the final field for the race.

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/latest-news-display/MAJOR-ANNOUNCEMENT--The-Everest-Worlds-Richest-Turf-Event/21815
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Feb-02, 03:10 PM
The vast majority of owners/horses wouldn't make the field. Those considered have probably won a fair bit of prizemoney already.

Anyway, I think a few of you need to familiarize yourself with the format. I don't think the rules are what you think it is:

Twelve slots will be sold in The Everest through an expression of interest entitling the owner of the slot an entry in the field. The owners of these slots will be able to trade their position or alternatively partner with owners not holding a slot to enter a horse in the final field for the race.

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/latest-news-display/MAJOR-ANNOUNCEMENT--The-Everest-Worlds-Richest-Turf-Event/21815

Trade their position.not so simple   .A. You need somebody else to take up your position
                                                  B. They must be prepared to pay $600,000
                                                  C. If you have somebody take up your position after one year, do they then have the liability for the third year ?

Could get messy .
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Feb-02, 04:21 PM
"The owners of these slots will be able to trade their position or alternatively partner with owners not holding a slot to enter a horse in the final field for the race."

the most interesting bit is the partnering bit, I guess that means you can buy a slot even if you don't own a horse and then chose someone to partner with for their horse to run and work out a payback split based on the prize money.

Basically, it is Horse Stud Monopoly
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-02, 04:50 PM
"The owners of these slots will be able to trade their position or alternatively partner with owners not holding a slot to enter a horse in the final field for the race."

the most interesting bit is the partnering bit, I guess that means you can buy a slot even if you don't own a horse and then chose someone to partner with for their horse to run and work out a payback split based on the prize money.

Basically, it is Horse Stud Monopoly

Or it is a high stakes gamblers monopoly or no monopoly at all.

Anyway, Unless it receives group 1 status how will it be a Horse Stud Monopoly ?

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Yet another is a 32-year-old Northern Kentucky pizza-joint owner who says he has never before had any investment of any kind in any racehorse ever.

This is basically how the Pegasus worked

Kelsey Danner
Kentucky Derby winner Nyquist could be one of the 12 Pegasus World Cup starters.

One is a multiple award-winning owner and breeder who conceived the race and owns the racetrack that will hold it. Another is an ex-trainer who recently made a quick fortune in the ship-repair industry. Another has owned two Kentucky Derby winners, including this year’s victor, Nyquist. Yet another is a 32-year-old Northern Kentucky pizza-joint owner who says he has never before had any investment of any kind in any racehorse ever.

They are all among the motley crew of one dozen individuals or partnerships who have committed to spend $1 million for a starting slot in the inaugural $12 million Pegasus World Cup, scheduled to be run on Jan. 28 at Gulfstream Park in Hallandale, Fla. Put together in a matter of months earlier this year, the Pegasus is the latest brainchild of the billionaire racing titan Frank Stronach, and the race’s current cast of characters are perhaps as unusual as the conditions of the race itself.

Some are well known. Stronach himself bought a slot, through the family-owned racing company he controls, The Stronach Group. Jack Wolf, who was hired by the Stronach Group to run the race, bought a slot as well, through a partnership comprised mostly of investors in the racing partnership he runs. Then there are the owners of the top-class horses California Chrome, Runhappy, and Nyquist, and the principals behind the global racing and breeding operation Coolmore.

Beyond them, there is the newbie pizza-franchise operator, a 32-year-old Michigan native named Dan Schafer. Then there are a handful of racehorse owners who have only rarely played at the top of the sport, and the ex-trainer, Mick Ruis Sr., who recently sold a large stake in a ship-scaffolding company he bought after quitting the game in 2008. All have paid $200,000 so far to buy a slot in the Pegasus starting gate, according to the Stronach Group, with the remainder of $800,000 due in mid-September.

If the race goes off as planned, the Grade 1 Pegasus will be the richest race ever held, with a purse $2 million greater than the $10 million Dubai World Cup. The winner’s share of the Pegasus purse, $7 million, will exceed the entire purse of this year’s $6 million Breeders’ Cup Classic.

However, unlike stakes races offered across the U.S., which typically require owners to put up approximately 1 to 2 percent of the purse to start, with the racetrack providing the rest, the $12 million purse of the Pegasus will be provided entirely by the investors who purchased the starting slots. While a typical Grade 1 stakes gives a horse owner a 40-1 return on the entry fees compared to the winner’s share of the purse, the Pegasus will give the winner only a 6-1 return. Second place will get $1.75 million, third will get $1 million, and every other horse that starts in the race will receive $250,000.

Most uniquely, buyers of the Pegasus starting berths can sell or lease the slots to other people, a feature that has no precedent in racing history. In addition, each owner of a berth will receive a one-twelfth share in the net revenue that the race generates in wagering, sponsorships, and media rights – also unprecedented. Completely separate from the right to start a horse, the initial investors have also been given the right of first refusal to buy a berth for the race in 2018, with the option expected to carry over for every year that it is exercised.

“I thought it was a unique concept to own a race for one day, to own the track, so to speak, to have a hand in all the handle and the media and ads and everything for one race,” said Dean Reeves, a Georgia resident with a small stable whose best runner has been Mucho Macho Man, the winner of the 2013 Breeders’ Cup Classic. “I don’t look at this as a one-shot deal. I’m in for the long term.”

In interviews conducted over the last month, many investors in the race provided similar justifications for buying a berth. While the outsized purse gives some buyers with top-class horses an obvious incentive to buy in, the investors who do not currently own capable horses said that they expected the race to grow into a major event on the international racing calendar, citing its purse, its unusual structure, and the date and location of the race, held in Miami on the weekend between the NFC and AFC Championship games and the Super Bowl.

But those investors, for the most part, also acknowledged that they had little expectation of turning their $1 million berth into a profit, not without a lot of luck.

“We will not be getting back zero dollars, that’s for sure,” said Sol Kumin, in reference to the $250,000 purse guarantee and the revenue-sharing provisions. Kumin is a hedge-fund manager who purchased his first horses in 2014 and bought a Pegasus berth with James Covello, a horse owner who is a partner at Goldman Sachs. “But I could see myself losing 30, 40, 50 cents on the dollar in the first year.”

So why would he purchase a berth, given his partnership’s anticipation of a significant loss, in a sport in which owning horses is already a losing proposition for the vast majority of investments?

“I think this has a tremendous amount of potential,” Kumin said. “In five years this could be the biggest race in the world. Everything kind of fits, with the date and the location. We could be looking back then saying that it was a real good idea to get in on the ground floor. That’s kind of the bet we are making right now.”

Birth of the Pegasus

The path from conception to birth for the Pegasus has been a quick one. Stronach first mentioned the concept behind the race in early January while speaking extemporaneously, as he often does, at an owners’ conference held at Gulfstream. At that Jan. 12 conference, Stronach proposed holding a race with a $12 million purse, with investors purchasing a starting berth for $1 million each and receiving the opportunity to share in the revenue from the race by leasing the track where it would be held.

While the idea seemed far-fetched, officials at Stronach’s company issued a release 24 hours later saying the company intended to pursue the idea. The race then dropped off the radar for several months, but on May 12, nine days prior to the Preakness Stakes at Stronach’s Pimlico Race Course in Maryland, the company made a formal announcement that it intended to run the race under conditions that were in large part along the lines first proposed by Stronach.

According to Stronach officials, interested parties began reaching out to the company about securing a slot immediately after the May 12 announcement. By May 16, the race was sold out, Stronach Group officials said. On May 19, top Stronach Group officials, including Frank Stronach’s daughter Belinda, who had only recently been made chairman and president of the company, appeared at Pimlico to announce the 12 entities that purchased slots.

Paul Reddam, who purchased a slot and owns Nyquist, said that his trainer, Doug O’Neill, had been approached by a Stronach Group official, Tom Ludt, shortly after the May 12 announcement, with Ludt urging O’Neill to get Reddam to buy a spot. Reddam then said he received a call from O’Neill on Sunday night, May 14, about needing a commitment right away.

“It was the classic hard sell,” Reddam said. “It was kind of like buying a house. You’ve been there three or four times, and you like it, but then you get a call that there’s three or four offers on it better than yours, so you jump. We felt we should take one or we won’t get one.”

Mike Rogers, a member of The Stronach Group executive board, said that 14 entities, when including The Stronach Group and Jack Wolf’s group, had indicated that they wanted to buy berths by May 16. Two of the individuals who had expressed interest in buying a slot decided to partner, Rogers said, while the other individual failed to wire the $200,000 that was required to reserve a slot. That left 12.

“The remainder of the week we had significantly more interest, and unfortunately we had to turn them away,” Rogers said, in written responses to prepared questions.

According to The Stronach Group, all of the individuals were required to sign an agreement outlining the specifics of the race. While the individuals interviewed said that they signed the agreement, nearly all of them said they were not familiar with what it contained. The Stronach Group would not provide a copy of the agreement to Daily Racing Form.

Jim McIngvale, the owner of 2015 champion sprinter Runhappy, said that he jumped at the chance to purchase the slot, but he also said he could not provide specifics about what was in the agreement.

“I don’t pay attention to that stuff,” McIngvale said. “I’m not a big lawyer-up guy. I trust Frank Stronach and those guys. I didn’t get in it to get out of it. All I’m thinking about is Runhappy and letting the chips fall where they may.”

The Stronach Group said many details about the running of the race remain to be resolved, including rules regarding scratches. The company is holding a meeting with the berth-holders on Aug. 8 at the Fasig-Tipton Sales Pavilion in Saratoga Springs to discuss some of those details, and it expects to have the rest ironed out by Sept. 15, when the buyers are required to pay $800,000 to fulfill their $1 million obligation under the purchase agreement, Rogers said.

Because of the relatively small size of the racing industry, many individuals in the sport have close financial ties to other industry participants, either through direct ownership of racehorses or breeding stock or through shares in stallions, breeding rights, or foals. With breeding farms in three locations, a far-flung racing stable, and a vertically integrated racing company, Stronach has far more connections than most. And some of the individuals who have purchased berths in the race have very close connections to Stronach.

Reeves, for example, remains a part-owner in Mucho Macho Man, who stands at Stronach’s Adena Springs in Kentucky following Stronach’s purchase of a 70 percent share in the horse in 2014, just prior to the horse being retired. Mucho Macho Man was trained by Kathy Ritvo, the wife of Tim Ritvo, a top Stronach Group official.

Reeves, who said he told Ritvo he would be interested in buying a slot shortly after Stronach spoke at the January conference at Gulfstream, said that he paid cash for the berth he has secured, and that the berth is not financially tied to any other investment he has with Stronach. Reeves is the chairman of an Atlanta-based construction contracting company founded by his father.

“It’s completely separate from all that other stuff,” he said.

All of the buyers interviewed about their berths said that they did not have any partners in the slots other than those announced by the Stronach Group. Rogers, the Stronach Group official, said that The Stronach Group or members of the Stronach family do not have any financial stake in any of the other slots bought for the Pegasus.

However, Rogers also acknowledged that under the agreement for the race, none of the buyers are required to divulge any partners in the berths they have secured, nor are future buyers required to divulge any partners. Rogers did point out that Florida racing rules require the disclosure of any entity with a 5 percent or greater stake in a horse starting in a race. That condition will not kick in until entries are taken for the race, probably four days prior to the Pegasus being held.

Let’s make a deal

There is likely to be quite a bit of deal-making in the run-up to the race. Four of the entities that have secured a berth said they are pointing a specific horse to the race, and the Coolmore partners have shares in a number of top-class horses worldwide, but the vagaries of training and campaigning expensive racehorses often scuttle long-term plans. The owner of the top-class mare Beholder, a three-time Eclipse Award winner, was mentioned by several berth-holders as being a target for a possible sale, but the 6-year-old mare has struggled with injuries in the past, is already worth eight figures as a broodmare, and, in her most recent race on July 30, finished second in the Clement Hirsch Stakes at Del Mar as the 1-10 favorite.  On the same weekend, Nyquist, whose breeding rights have already been sold to Darley Stud, finished fourth in the Haskell Invitational Stakes at even money.

Even if all the horses currently being pointed to the race make the starting gate, there will be at least seven berth-holders looking to strike a deal. The owners of open berths will face “no restrictions on how they market, sell, or otherwise convey or lease their entry spot,” the Stronach Group’s Rogers said, in the company’s responses to Daily Racing Form’s questions. That could lead to some creative deals, and even the possibility that some berths might change hands multiple times.

Jeff Weiss, a berth-holder who runs under the name Rosedown Racing, said he is looking forward to the deal-making. Weiss, whose best horse from a small stable has been Grade 3 winner Bashart, is a real-estate investor in Florida who does not currently own a horse that would fit in the race.

“I like the idea of networking with these guys,” Weiss said. “That could lead to other opportunities. Who knows what this could lead to? It could open all kinds of doors.”

All of the buyers who do not have a horse for the race said that they have not yet had any formal discussions with specific owners about a deal, though some said they have put feelers out. The real deal-making, they said, is expected to start after the Breeders’ Cup in early November, when the top ranks of the handicap division will be better sorted. 

The most direct approach to fill the slot would be to buy a horse that could compete at a top level. But a racehorse that is capable of winning a Grade 1 race could cost millions of dollars, especially if the horse is a colt whose breeding value would increase markedly in the case of a good performance. In addition, owners of such a horse would be unlikely to sell the horse outright if the horse has a reasonable chance to win, not when there will almost certainly be a surfeit of Pegasus berth-holders who will be looking to sell their slots or strike a deal favorable to the owner of the horse. The stakes to fill the slot will be high – if a slot owner does not start a horse, there are no refunds, Rogers said.

Citing the likely surplus of open berths, most of the owners of the slots acknowledged that they will likely be facing a buyer’s market as the race approaches. The math for the owner of a top-class horse considering the purchase of a slot is pretty simple – if the horse is expected to be 6-1 on the morning-line or lower, the owners would face a reasonable expectation of return on spending $1 million to purchase the slot (disregarding the potential revenue from handle and sponsorships).

What makes that math daunting for berth-holders looking to strike deals is that likely no more than four horses will be expected to be lower than 6-1 in a race with a 12-horse field. That will drive down the price for a starting slot for the horses that are expected to be higher than those odds, though the risk is mitigated somewhat by the guarantee that every horse in the race will earn at least $250,000.

“If you’re the owner of a horse that is in phenomenal form, and it looks like you are going to be the big favorite, then you’re going to be able to squeeze four or five guys and get a really good deal,” said Kumin, the hedge-fund manager, who has an ownership interest in Preakness and Haskell winner Exaggerator.

Duncan Taylor, the president of Taylor Made Farm, which has a 30 percent share in California Chrome and in the berth bought by the partnership that owns the horse, said the ownership group is hoping California Chrome stays in form. After wins in the Dubai World Cup and San Diego Handicap this year, California Chrome is considered the best horse in training in the U.S., and if the Pegasus were held next weekend, he would almost certainly be the heavy favorite.

“If he can’t make it, it won’t be easy to sell the share,” Taylor said. “If you don’t fill the berth at all you are definitely going to lose 40 percent or 50 percent of the money you put up, at least, so you are going to sell it to somebody, whether you can get whole or not.”

Reddam, who earned a Ph.D. in philosophy and made a fortune in an on-line lending business that has often been criticized for high interest rates, said that shrewd deal-makers may have an advantage in the market for berths.

“Generally speaking, everyone in racing thinks his or her horse is a lot better than the horse actually is,” Reddam said. “That’s going to lead to some crazy deal-making. That’s really the element that I am going to find most interesting. And really this game could use something like that, something that shakes things up. People may get really creative out there. It could be a fun thing to be part of.”

Revenue sharing

While only one owner will have the chance to win $7 million, every owner who has secured a slot will have a one-twelfth share in several revenue sources from the race. According to the Stronach Group, the agreement states that the initial buyers will share in the “net revenue” from the handle on the race and all “net sponsorship revenue and any net revenue received from the sale of TV or other media rights from the race.”

Buyers said that the Stronach Group has declined to provide estimates for the amount that might accrue to the owners from the various revenue sources. However, the company did acknowledge that the buyers will not share in any revenue from a television deal this year, because the company would not be able to sell any television rights to the race in its first year.

“The Stronach Group felt that it was important to broadcast this race on a major network so we are currently working with a major U.S. network to finalize an agreement of which The Stronach Group will be responsible for any costs associated with the production,” Rogers said.

It is possible that The Stronach Group will be able to sell several sponsorships attached to the race, but the net revenue from those deals are unlikely to exceed a total of several hundred thousand dollars, said racing executives who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The only big-money sponsorship deals in racing are for the Triple Crown races, which can promise large television and on-track audiences, the executives said.

As for handle, it is difficult to estimate what any new race will generate in wagering revenue, but the makeup of the Pegasus field will likely play the most significant role in determining the level of gambling interest in the race. For that reason, it’s not impossible to believe that the Pegasus will attract as much wagering as the Breeders’ Cup Classic, which last year had handle of $28.6 million (including all horizontal bets paying off in the race), even if that figure is a best-case scenario.

Rogers said that it has not yet been determined if horizontal bets such as the pick 4 or the Rainbow 6 – a jackpot-style bet that has led to multi-million-dollar carryovers at Gulfstream – would be included in the revenue shares for the Pegasus slot owners. “This is an open issue that still needs to be resolved,” Roger said, noting that it may be worked out at the Aug. 8 meeting.

The rule of thumb for the track’s share of betting on a single race is five percent, a figure that attempts to account for the difference between the host track’s share of on-track and simulcast wagering and the contractual split of wagering revenue that must go to horsemen at the track. If the Pegasus handle figure equals the betting on the 2015 Breeders’ Cup Classic – in which Triple Crown winner American Pharoah made his final career appearance – then the 12 owners would share in approximately $1.5 million in revenue, or approximately $125,000 each.

Stronach Group officials did say that they planned to sell the race to simulcast sites at a higher rate than that in place for Gulfstream’s other races, under a clause in the track’s simulcast contracts allowing for a “premium signal fee” for special events. Still, that is unlikely to push the rate up to anything approaching a Triple Crown race or the Breeders’ Cup, which typically command rates equal to half the revenue from wagering, because the Pegasus does not yet have that kind of cachet.

Most of the buyers of Pegasus slots said they were undisturbed that the net revenue shares from the race were unlikely to amount to more than 15 percent or so of the initial purchase price. And that is because all said that they expected the race to become far more successful in the future.

“This could be something real big,” said Mick Ruis Sr., the ex-trainer who bought a slot. “That’s kind of why I got into it. It’s like when they started the NFL and people got in on the ground floor. I look at it as an opportunity. Will we get it back right now, this year? I don’t think so.”

“In the long run, this is going to be a really big race,” said Weiss. “The first year, it will probably not do so good, but I’m looking at this as a long-term investment. I’m not looking at this as a one-year deal. Frank Stronach is a big, big success. He’s proven it. He’s got the Midas touch.”

Largely through the success of his auto-parts company, Magna International, Stronach, has amassed a fortune estimated by Forbes at $1.6 billion (for the past several years, Forbes has relied on a Daily Racing Form reporter to provide estimates for the value of his racing holdings). However, Stronach’s history in the racing business is far less stellar. The Stronach Group, which is owned by a family trust, is Stronach’s third try at consolidating racing assets under one roof; the other two companies, both publicly traded, went bankrupt, burning through $1 billion in shareholder money.

Mystery investor

Of all the questions surrounding the first running of the Pegasus, none are perhaps more interesting than those involving the purchase of a slot by a man named Dan Schafer.

In an interview several weeks ago, Schafer said that he is a 32-year-old Michigan native who moved nine years ago to Northern Kentucky, where he currently lives with his wife and children. Schafer said that he owns eight pizza franchises – five in northern Kentucky, and three in Michigan – and that he became an avid fan of horse racing 15 years ago. He regularly visits the tracks in Kentucky, he said, and went to his first Breeders’ Cup in 2011 at Churchill Downs. He also said he regularly goes to Gulfstream when visiting Miami in the winter.

He also said that his $1 million commitment to buy a Pegasus slot was the first money he had ever spent in racing. He is the sole investor in the slot he purchased, he said.

In the interview, Schafer demonstrated detailed knowledge of the handicap division, citing several horses owned by Stronach that had a chance to move up in the handicap ranks in upcoming races. He also said that he decided to purchase the slot after talking to several trainers at Gulfstream, but when asked to identify the trainers, he said he did not know their names.

“They were just guys hanging out by the paddock, like they all do,” he said.

Schafer started a Twitter account just after he was identified as one of the buyers of a Pegasus slot, with the handle @DanSchaferPWC. The account has been used exclusively to publicize the Pegasus. DRF used the Twitter account to contact him, since his name does not surface in detailed Internet searches, with the exception of a reference to the ownership of a single pizza franchise, Original Buscemi’s, under a Michigan company of which he is president.

Schafer said that he has considered buying racehorses in the past, and he also said that the Pegasus slot is likely only the first in a string of investments in the racing industry.

“For me, it’s not about making money,” Schafer said. “This is horse racing. I jumped into it a little backwards, but I looked at it as a business opportunity. You’re going to see this race become a very special day. I have a lot of respect for Frank Stronach, and you know him and his people are going to make this an amazing day.”

Schafer said he has never met Stronach, anyone in his family, or anyone at the company, at least prior to signing the deal to purchase the slot. He also said he does not know how he will fill the slot, but he said he expects to be flooded with offers from owners of top-class horses.

“I think it’s too good to be true,” he said. “You are going to see a lot of horse owners want to have a share in this.”

Following the interview, Schafer was asked through his Twitter account if he could provide a photo. He did not reply to the request.

Too much skin

While none of the current investors expressed any ambivalence about the decision to purchase a slot, there were some potential buyers who declined offers from Stronach Group officials to buy in. One was Mike Repole, the New York based owner and breeder who likes to play at the top of the game.

“I loved the idea of a big purse, it makes it exciting, and I think the richest race in the world should be in the U.S.,” Repole said. “But, for me, I just don’t like the idea of owners funding the purse. As owners we’re buying these horses, we’re paying for these horses to be trained, we’ve got all these bills, and now we’re paying for the purses too?”

At the same time, there are a number of owners who, come December, will be looking for a shot at a $7 million payday, and at least one owner is going to walk away with the largest racing purse in history.

The owners of the slots also seem to accept that in horse racing, the game is expensive to play, and there is no such thing as a sure thing.

“In a business sense I’ve yet to be able to justify just about anything I do in horse racing,” said Reeves. “You have to be a little out of your mind to do what we already do in this business.”

 “You have to hand it to the Stronach folks, because you have all the owners paying all the expenses for your fancy day,” said Reddam. “That’s not a bad deal for them. For us, it’s like a poker game. Everyone has anted up, and then, if it’s like most poker games, at the end of the night one guy has almost all the money.”

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-02, 05:08 PM

'The Everest' Sydney horse race already bogged down by cynicism after megabucks announcement

OPINION

Posted 12 minutes ago

The marketing maxim is any publicity is good publicity. But the brains-trust at Racing NSW and the Australian Turf Club (ATC) must be concerned at the mixed reaction to yesterday's bombshell announcement that Sydney will stage the Australia's richest-ever horse race in the middle of Melbourne's marquee Spring Racing Carnival.

With a fat $10 million in prizemoney on offer, 'The Everest' will be run at Randwick on October 14, and is sure to steal the thunder — and jealously guarded media spotlight — from the time-honoured Caulfield Guineas run the same day.

Melbourne's racing mandarins are playing sanguine but you can bet "Flemington to a brick" that they will soon return fire and move to secure The Cup's erstwhile status as Australia's richest horse race.

Unlike the allegedly egalitarian Melbourne Cup, which despite Lloyd Williams' best efforts is embraced as the people's race, the Everest is being openly marketed as the exclusive plaything of Sheikhs, robber barons and titans of inheritance.

The brochure boasts it will be "the most exclusive thoroughbred racing event held in the southern hemisphere".

Mounting yard access "will be the exclusive domain of the elite players of Australian and international racing." Not much sympathy there for the mug punter, whose taxes on wagering ultimately pay for the whole show.

The Everest's $10m purse will be initially funded by owners who can afford a lazy $600,000 entry fee, for three years in a row. If your runner finishes out of a place, you cop a $425,000 loss on the chin.

If you can afford such a gamble, the first prize of $5.8m is likely peanuts. The equation is not 'which is the country's best sprinter?', but 'which owner can afford a runner?'.

The slots will be decided by Racing NSW and the ATC after they take expressions of interest, which they will then vet for probity and integrity.

Once secured, the slots — effectively the right to have a runner — can be openly traded; sliced and diced as the market will bear.

But again, with integrity paramount, every deal must be vetted and approved by the racing authorities. Tellingly, Racing NSW is yet to set down the criteria by which it will allocate slots and if the race is over-subscribed some are already predicting legal risks among racing's notoriously litigious fraternity.

Racing NSW is trumpeting the fact that the race is "self-funded" and no existing revenue from racing will go towards the prizemoney, but will this merely be a test of owner's wealth rather than thoroughbred class?

The central idea is that "market forces" will prevail in the slot deals and will guarantee the best possible field of thoroughbred sprinters lines up on race day.

Then again, for turf purists, genuine contests of thoroughbred class take place over classic distances from a mile to 2400m.

Does racing need another marquee sprint event? Connections of Australia's champion racehorse, Winx, say the mare won't be there, though that hasn't stopped bookies putting her on top of their speculative "futures" market at 7-1.

And Australian breeders too are privately sceptical. For decades they've been seeking to broaden their international appeal beyond Australia's reputation as the home of speedy squibs scampering over short courses, a legacy of the get-rich-quick influence that the two-year-old scamper of the Golden Slipper has had on the local breed.

The concern is The Everest could skew the yearling market back to square one.

The entire concept is based on the $12m Pegasus World Cup, run in America last weekend, but the packaging of the Everest smacks of get the marketing out now and work out the finer details later. Racing's privileged place in Australia's sporting psyche has been built up over more than 150 years.

The great stories around racing's dramatis personae — the horses and the people that tend them — are what drive the public back into racing's corner, not huge prizes shared among a privileged elite.

Under ever increasing threat from competition of entertainment alternatives, is the Everest the right package to reverse racing's fortunes and recapture the public's imagination?

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Feb-02, 07:10 PM
Under ever increasing threat from competition of entertainment alternatives, is the Everest the right package to reverse racing's fortunes and recapture the public's imagination?

Exactly the point I was making - and NO.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: ACER on 2017-Feb-02, 07:41 PM
If you own the most overhyped race all year why not try to slot in the second most overhyped as well?
Keep trying little brother.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-02, 08:50 PM
The vast majority of owners/horses wouldn't make the field. Those considered have probably won a fair bit of prizemoney already.

Anyway, I think a few of you need to familiarize yourself with the format. I don't think the rules are what you think it is:

Twelve slots will be sold in The Everest through an expression of interest entitling the owner of the slot an entry in the field. The owners of these slots will be able to trade their position or alternatively partner with owners not holding a slot to enter a horse in the final field for the race.

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/latest-news-display/MAJOR-ANNOUNCEMENT--The-Everest-Worlds-Richest-Turf-Event/21815

I've read it PP and I certainly understand it. It still doesn't change my position that it's a pissing comp for rich kids.

PV was on record to say it's self funding  :chin: You don't need to be Einstein to work out even with 12 slots @ $600k he's a few mill short.

The cynic in me wonders if that $2.8 mill extra would be better spent elsewhere other than basically handing it to one of the big studs  :shutup:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Feb-02, 09:41 PM
Runs at Hong Kong tonight R4#6
Couldn't help myself
Prebble up
 :clap2:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-02, 10:42 PM
If you own the most overhyped race all year why not try to slot in the second most overhyped as well?
Keep trying little brother.

What is the most overhyped race in Australia?

I would have thought it is the Melbourne Cup. $6.2 million for a B Grade handicap making out to the non punting public that it is the best race in Australia? You cannot get more hyped than that. Prince Of Penzance won it FFS. Winx could probably give it 10 kg over 3200m and beat it by 20 lengths.

It is about time we started challenging some of the hype with new ideas.

Geez. All these geniuses who know how it will turn out before it is even run.

I seem to remember The Championships getting the same belting from similar people.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: ACER on 2017-Feb-02, 11:57 PM
 :fishing:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-03, 08:10 AM


I seem to remember The Championships getting the same belting from similar people.

I'm all for the Championships PP, they don't exclude you based on whether you can afford it or not  ;)
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-03, 08:20 AM
I'm all for the Championships PP, they don't exclude you based on whether you can afford it or not  ;)

Apologies if I am a "glass half full" sort of guy questioning all the negativity before the race is even run.

The owners do not have to be rich to get their horse into the race i.e. they are not excluded. Read the conditions Gin  ;)
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Antitab# on 2017-Feb-03, 09:54 AM
This is a great concept. People just need to think laterally.

There is no need to worry about anyone being excluded, the best sprinters in the country will find a place in the field. Studs and large corporations and or wealthy people will buy the slots.

They will then give them, sell them or profit share them to the owners.

Why wouldnt a company like Myer buy one, approach someone like Bryce Hayes and Speith on a 50/50 contingency. Speith is racing for 3 million to the winner for no entry fee. Myer then have silks in their  corporate colours, invite their clients along and receive publicity in the lead up to justify the spend

Seems as  good a way to spend 600K and get bang for their buck as spending it on sponsoring races as they currently do..
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-03, 10:27 AM


The owners do not have to be rich to get their horse into the race i.e. they are not excluded. Read the conditions Gin  ;)

Of course they aren't  :dry:

They just have to wait cap in hand hoping for a deal like something Anti has suggested.   :bleh:

Can't wait to see that horse crossing the line in front wearing  B365 / Ladbrokes / Sportsbet silks  :bye:

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-04, 03:47 AM
Of course they aren't  :dry:

They just have to wait cap in hand hoping for a deal like something Anti has suggested.   :bleh:

Can't wait to see that horse crossing the line in front wearing  B365 / Ladbrokes / Sportsbet silks  :bye:

Mate the owners of Malaguerra and Speith will not be waiting "cap in hand". Quite the opposite.

This is why Manny Gelagotis is so happy.

As the manager of (possibly) the best sprinter in Australia, people will be lined up wanting to negotiate with him for sponsorship before committing to a spot. He is in a position to drive a hard bargain, and will not be putting in one red cent.

That is my reading of it anyways.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-04, 04:39 AM
There is a lot of commentary in both the mainstreasm media and social media that seems to be under the impression that the owners of the horse have to pay the $600,000.

Racing NSW has posted a Q&A about the concept:

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/latest-news-display/Peter-Vlandys-Answers-Questions-From-TDN-On-The-Everest/21837

This is the relevant bit:

We believe one of the great aspects of it is that it has so many stories that can go with it. Let’s say I’ve got a great horse but I don’t have a slot; I’m going to negotiate with someone, or even I’m just an investor that’s never had a horse that goes into Japan and gets Japan to come to Australia at that time, and they share the prizemoney with those people. They’re the sort of stories you want to generate out to the media, and that’s why we love the concept. The first box has been ticked, it’s got enormous media coverage here in Australia, so now we’ve just got to get the 12 slot holders and go from there.

There are a lot of commentators who are writing negatively who don't appear to understand it.

Take Michael Cox from the South China Morning Post in his very negative story. He obviously doesn't have a clue:

What if a Takeover Target-like fairytale comes along in The Everest-era? What does his owner do, start a Gofundme.com page or take out a second mortgage to try and come up with the cash?

http://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/article/2067506/why-asian-horses-wont-be-scaling-elite-un-australian-everest

They don't seem to get the fact that owners of the best sprinters will negotiate with slot holders and if you have/had a very good horse like Takeover Target you are in a very strong negotiating position to the point you are unlikely to pay any entry fee.

And as I guessed, the date is carefully chosen so that the added bonus for an overseas horse to come out is that there is some very rich races in Melbourne soon after - from the Q&A.

We believe it’ll compliment the Victorian spring carnival because of the 1200 metre distance we’ve put it as. Two weeks later there’s a race at Moonee Valley for A$1-million [G1 Manikato S.], and there’s a race at Flemington for a further A$1-million [G1 Darley Classic] two weeks later. If a horse did come from overseas, not only can it run in the A$10-million Everest, but it can also run in the Manikato and then in the Darley. So it could assist the Victorian Spring Carnival in getting international sprinters. Yes, it clashes with the Guineas, but that was the date we had to place it on to get the maximum media exposure.

In fact if the concept works I'd be surprised if the VRC didn't adopt the idea itself. If there is a lot of interest for the available slots, maybe in (say) 5 years time we have two $10 million races at Randwick (1200m and 1600m) followed up with another two $10 million races at the Flemington carnival (1200m and 2000m).
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-04, 09:02 AM

TDN Q&A With Peter V’landys

By Kelsey Riley

Royal Randwick racecourse in Sydney, Australia will host the world’s richest 1200-metre race and richest turf race on Oct. 14 with the inaugural running of the A$10-million The Everest. An initiative of Racing NSW and the Australian Turf Club, The Everest–which will be a weight-for-age race for 3-year-olds and up–will also be the richest race in Australia, dwarfing the A$6.2-million G1 Melbourne Cup. The Everest follows in the mould of The Stronach Group’s GI Pegasus World Cup, in that the 12 starting spots are available to purchase, for A$600,000. The purse will be fully funded by the entry fee as well as additional revenues generated from the event such as wagering, sponsor and broadcast revenues as well as other raceday revenues, and all profits will be distributed among the slot holders.

TDN International Editor Kelsey Riley caught up with Racing NSW Chief Executive Peter V’landys on Thursday to delve deeper into The Everest.

KR: The Everest is very much in the mould of the Pegasus World Cup. Was that the inspiration for the race?

PV: Absolutely. We thought the Pegasus was a great concept and we take our hats off to The Stronach Group for being pioneers and innovators. What we liked about it more than anything else was the marketing potential for Thoroughbred racing to a broader audience. I think The Stronach Group has achieved that because they got enormous coverage for racing in America that they would not normally get. Every effort they’ve put in will be rewarded, because it’ll have ongoing benefits to the branding of Thoroughbred racing in America.

We picked it up in a similar vein. We wanted a vehicle to promote Thoroughbred racing in New South Wales. We used the concept, and once we announced it we had racing on the front page of newspapers, and the lead story on free-to-air TV networks, so it achieved exactly what we were trying to do: promote racing to a bigger audience and take up some media space.

Ours is slightly different to the Pegasus–we’ve tailored it for us. We’re putting the money in which is the shortfall, that’s guaranteed. The holders put in A$7.2-million and we put in A$2.8-million, which is what we generate from sponsorships, wagering and other revenues, and any incremental revenue we get we will put into the race. In actual fact it’s only costing the slot holder A$425,000, because they’re guaranteed to get A$175,000 for running last.

(Editor’s Note: the prizemoney breakdown of The Everest is as follows: the winner will receive A$5.8-million, with A$2.4-million to second, A$800,000 to third, A$400,000 to fourth, A$250,000 to fifth, and sixth to 12th A$175,000)

The only difference with the way we’ve done it is that people have to commit themselves for three years. We want to make sure we’ve got the race, once we build the brand, and we’ve got the charisma of the race and the concept.

We believe one of the great aspects of it is that it has so many stories that can go with it. Let’s say I’ve got a great horse but I don’t have a slot; I’m going to negotiate with someone, or even I’m just an investor that’s never had a horse that goes into Japan and gets Japan to come to Australia at that time, and they share the prizemoney with those people. They’re the sort of stories you want to generate out to the media, and that’s why we love the concept. The first box has been ticked, it’s got enormous media coverage here in Australia, so now we’ve just got to get the 12 slot holders and go from there.

KR: What did you learn, both positive and negative, from the first running of the Pegasus that you think can help make your event a success?

PV: We love the concept about the slot holders. The negative was that they came across two champion horses in California Chrome and Arrogate, but that’s going to happen. That’s why we decided to make it 1200 metres for us here; there’s a massive pool of sprinters. We wanted to get a distance that wasn’t going to be dominated [by a couple of horses], so I guess the little weakness in the Pegasus–although there is no weakness because it’s a fantastic concept–was the fact that they were unlucky that there were two very good horses.

On the positive, they marketed it brilliantly. They got racing back in the media. I just think they’ve done a wonderful job, I take my hat off to them. This is what American racing needed. It was on a massive decline, to be realistic. It started with American Pharoah that generated enormous publicity, and The Stronach Group, which is very innovative, have taken advantage of that fanfare that was generated by American Pharoah with this concept.

KR: While the Pegasus was placed in a spot on the calendar that wouldn’t conflict with other major race meetings, The Everest has been placed in the heart of the spring racing season, and namely on Caulfield Guineas day. Why was this date chosen?

PV: One of our main objectives was to promote the sport to a broader audience. In order to do that you need to get as much media attention as possible. That period of time there is no competition. Our rugby league, which is one of the main sports, and the AFL have finished their seasons. It’d be like the basketball and the gridiron finishing their seasons in America, and there’s a lapse where you’ve got the chance to promote. That day there is no other major events on, and it was the best day to get that promotion.

We believe it’ll compliment the Victorian spring carnival because of the 1200 metre distance we’ve put it as. Two weeks later there’s a race at Moonee Valley for A$1-million [G1 Manikato S.], and there’s a race at Flemington for a further A$1-million [G1 Darley Classic] two weeks later. If a horse did come from overseas, not only can it run in the A$10-million Everest, but it can also run in the Manikato and then in the Darley. So it could assist the Victorian Spring Carnival in getting international sprinters. Yes, it clashes with the Guineas, but that was the date we had to place it on to get the maximum media exposure.

In the future we’re going to possibly look at running it on a Friday night under lights at Randwick. It’s not always going to stay where it is, we just needed to find a day where we could get some publicity and that was the day we selected. That’s one of the reasons we also selected the distance, because it does compliment the racing calendar.

KR: And I understand it took some time for you to decide on that distance for the race?

PV: We looked at all the distances. We’d been working on it for four or five months to get it right. We did market analysis, we consulted people, and it was very unusual for us over here that it didn’t leak out to the media. It was the best kept secret in racing. Yesterday it was on the front page: racing bombshell. It has a charisma all its own, this race, and that’s why we called it The Everest: the peak, and it’s got so many marketing components, it’s great.

KR: Whereas the Pegasus was placed to allow colts to get to studs in time for the breeding season, the placement of The Everest makes it so colts wouldn’t be able to retire to stud and cover a full book. Was this taken into consideration, and do you think this could be a positive for racing’s image by keeping star colts in training longer?

PV: It’s a positive for us because one major investor has come out and said they may keep their horses going for another 12 months rather than taking them to stud, which for us as the racing industry is great, to have those great horses still racing is a benefit.

KR: The Everest won’t be a black-type race in its first year. What is the process for receiving black-type in Australia, and subsequently reaching Group 1 level?

PV: We’ve haven’t made an application for it at this point. We wanted to get the concept up and going and then look at group and listed [status]. To the general public it doesn’t matter if it’s a Group 1; for the purists and the trainers and the stud books, etc, it does, but for us we’re using this for marketing. The normal person wouldn’t really know what a Group 1 or a maiden is. So we decided we’ll establish it, and then we’ll look at making it a Group 1 race in the future.

You’ve got to establish the race first and foremost and you’ve got to get the ratings. I think in America they swapped an existing Grade I race [the Donn H.]. We haven’t really looked into it too much here because we were just ensuring the concept worked first and foremost.

KR: And you’ll consider selling more than 12 slots if the interest is there?

PV: Correct. And what we’d do is put it back into the prizemoney. So if we were to sell two more slots it would become A$-11.2 million. And naturally we’d do that in agreement with the other slot holders, because we wouldn’t want someone thinking it’s 12 and then it goes to 14. We always want to be transparent.

KR: How much interest have you had from potential investors thus far, and did you float the idea past industry stakeholders before announcing it to test its viability?

PV: We’ve had a number of people seeking to be included in the expressions of interest, which is great. We haven’t even gone out on the road yet. It’s a very positive response. We analysed it with a couple of major players and they were extremely positive and thought we could sell the 12 slots quite easily. We did the market analysis and consulted in people we could trust that it wouldn’t leak out and they kept our confidence, including some of our leading trainers, owners and others.

KR: Australian sprinters have always been expected to travel overseas to prove their mettle. Do you think we could see the reverse here, where the best sprinters from other nations come to Australia for the world’s richest sprint race?

PV: That’s what we’re hoping. We’re better on our home ground. We go pretty good traveling but when you’re on your home ground you’re even better, aren’t you, so it’s about time they started coming on our home ground. And then we’ll beat them here as well!

KR: You said in your comments announcing The Everest that it would help promote racing to a wider audience. Are there marketing plans already in place to reach mainstream audiences?

PV: We’ve put a budget aside naturally for The Everest, and we will promote it in a big way. The beauty of the race and the concept is that it will generate its own publicity. We’re big into the social media and we’re investing a lot in our social media. For example LinkedIn, which is all the professional people, we’re going to market very hard through there. They’re the ones that have the higher disposable income and they’re the sort of customers that we’re looking to get into racing.

KR: You touched on it a little bit already but the race name, The Everest–how did you land on that?

PV: What’s the peak? We looked at The Pinnacle, we looked at a couple other things, and we said what’s the highest peak? The highest peak is The Everest–you’ve got to climb The Everest to get there. There’s a saying in Australia, if something’s too hard, you say it’s like climbing Everest. The peak of racing is going to be The Everest.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-04, 03:12 PM
Ours is slightly different to the Pegasus–we’ve tailored it for us. We’re putting the money in which is the shortfall, that’s guaranteed. The holders put in A$7.2-million and we put in A$2.8-million, which is what we generate from sponsorships, wagering and other revenues, and any incremental revenue we get we will put into the race. In actual fact it’s only costing the slot holder A$425,000, because they’re guaranteed to get A$175,000 for running last.

(Editor’s Note: the prizemoney breakdown of The Everest is as follows: the winner will receive A$5.8-million, with A$2.4-million to second, A$800,000 to third, A$400,000 to fourth, A$250,000 to fifth, and sixth to 12th A$175,000)[/html]

Love how PV said it will be self funding but then says it's from various forms including wagering   :whistle:


$2.8 is a fair wedge to make up.  :dry:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-04, 03:39 PM
Love how PV said it will be self funding but then says it's from various forms including wagering   :whistle:


$2.8 is a fair wedge to make up.  :dry:

It's the sort of race, if the concept works (let's not forget it is an experiment), but if it works the corporates will market it to the international wagering audience.

Especially if you can attract a few international sprinters to come out - not just for this race but you have the rich sprints in Melbourne following up which could be an added incentive.

There is a new paradigm with wagering in Australia. A lot of us, me included, were brought up punting in the 70's and 80's where it was all tote wagering except if you were on course (SPs didn't exist  :o ). There was an agreement between the states that the takeout for any money wagered on an interstate event was kept locally. And the other thing was that sponsorship of races was rare and did not contribute to the prizemoney that much.

This has changed almost overnight. Those that have the quality product get the rewards now. You need initiatives like this to improve your product.

Magic Millions is a runaway success, but all the prizemoney for raceday is "private money", as are the Inglis races and most of the prizemoney at the Scone Cup carnival. And things like Pegasus and Everest are not a dissimilar ideas.

I think we have to get used to this sort of thing. Racing Administrators have to look for new ideas to improve the quality of their product offering for the purpose of increasing the wagering volume to a new global audience.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-07, 08:02 AM
There is an excellent interview between Mark Levy, David Morrow and Peter V'Landys on 2gb available at

https://instaud.io/KxY

For those that don't understand the concept, especially some of those mainstream journalists who have been extremely negative with their "uninformed" statements, it explains it all.

Some of the points noted in the interview:

- The cost is $425,000 per year per slot if you consider that last place gets $175k
- The date was deliberately chosen to compliment the Melbourne Spring carnival sprints, specifically the Manikato and the Darley.
- Gauging by the initial enquiries, the demand for slots will far exceed the supply and as we suspected, Racing NSW had done their homework beforehand
- PV makes the very good point that syndicates will think nothing of spending $425k at the sales and often get no return, so statistically a $425k investment in The Everest is probably a far better deal.

Anyway, have a listen to it. Explains a hell of a lot.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-07, 09:18 AM
I do not think there is any need for you to sell it PP7, It will cost $1.8 million up front.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-07, 10:35 AM
I do not think there is any need for you to sell it PP7, It will cost $1.8 million up front.

Mate I'm not selling anything....just responding to those who propagate "fake news"  ;)

As for the $1.8 million, worst case scenario they will get $525,000 back.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-07, 04:14 PM

- PV makes the very good point that syndicates will think nothing of spending $425k at the sales and often get no return, so statistically a $425k investment in The Everest is probably a far better deal.



I reckon PV is being a little disingenuous don't you?

How many $425k yearling would be syndicated in the true sense like Dynamic, Darby, Elite etc etc? I'd say very few  ;)

As for statistics, is a 50% chance of doing your dough cold really better?  :chin:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Feb-07, 06:05 PM
V'Landys said "To the general public it doesn’t matter if it’s a Group 1; for the purists and the trainers and the stud books, etc, it does, but for us we’re using this for marketing. The normal person wouldn’t really know what a Group 1 or a maiden is."

I somehow recall V'Landys once saying "the average punter would not know whether the deduction rate was 15% or 25 % from a particular bet type"..seems as if he still treats the average punter as a mug, which most probably are !!!!
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Feb-07, 07:15 PM
So the old harness racing boy V' Landys reckons that the "normal " person (whatever that is ) "wouldn't really know what a Group 1 or maiden is". Must be fantastic to be born with such a superior thought process to your clients or potential customers. Gee he could be right;  but I have no doubt both groups could recognize a dunce. To coin an old Australian phrase this clown" rings the shed".
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-08, 02:06 AM
I reckon PV is being a little disingenuous don't you?

How many $425k yearling would be syndicated in the true sense like Dynamic, Darby, Elite etc etc? I'd say very few  ;)


Spending $425k at the sales and buying $425k yearlings are two different things Gin  :o
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-08, 02:09 AM
So the old harness racing boy V' Landys reckons that the "normal " person (whatever that is ) "wouldn't really know what a Group 1 or maiden is". Must be fantastic to be born with such a superior thought process to your clients or potential customers. Gee he could be right;  but I have no doubt both groups could recognize a dunce. To coin an old Australian phrase this clown" rings the shed".

We need a separate thread for "V'Landys bashing" - seems to creep in "off topic" at every opportunity  ;)
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-08, 04:00 PM
Spending $425k at the sales and buying $425k yearlings are two different things Gin  :o

I don't get your point PP  :shrug:

Still as I said I struggle to see the comparison PV used.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-08, 09:00 PM
I'm sure Turf Deli won't mind this being posted here   :lol:

MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT - THE NONG

We are proud today to launch The Nong, an exciting new concept that will have Australian horse racing shaking its collective head and saying “WTF”?

The Nong is named after the majestic Mount Dandenong whose lofty peaks soar at up to six hundred metres over Melbourne and can take several challenging minutes to scale by bus.

The race itself is quite similar to the recently announced ten million dollar The Everest – except it is modified for middle and lower class peasants.

The Nong will be an unique event in Australian and indeed, world racing as entry will be solely by turnip and strictly limited to those who own a turnip. No turnip means no entry and don’t ask again as refusal often offends.

The concept is startlingly simple. Ten slots will be available in the race each year, to be purchased on a twenty five year rotating lease by people we know prior to this announcement of the event. Each slot owner can sell, trade or lease their turnips for other turnips, or alternatively partner with someone without a turnip, but preferably with a horse. Unique to this event is that slots can also be species traded locally and internationally, as long as the species has four legs and a tail, or looks, or sounds like a horse. Interest from two person horse costumes is welcomed, but for integrity reasons guinea pigs are obviously excluded to avoid the race becoming a laughing stock.

The prize money pool will also be based on revenue from the turnips and turnip based promotional activities, bringing close to no revenue to Australian racing, but making a great, flashy press release. . The race itself will be run under WTF conditions over the traditional distance of 1347.23 metres, ensuring world record breaking times.

Racing spokesman Mr V ‘Ested Interest said “ We are hoping to turn around falling racing popularity as nowhere previously has showcased the finest turnips and horse flesh in the one event. This event is unprecedented anywhere in the world, and the obviously the last thing we would want to do is to further reinforce the general public opinion that racing is an out of touch, elitist sport run by rich, old men”.




 :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: dean on 2017-Feb-08, 09:05 PM
Brilliant
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Feb-08, 09:21 PM
I'm sure Turf Deli won't mind this being posted here     :lol:  

MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT - THE NONG

We are proud today to launch The Nong, an exciting new concept that will have Australian horse racing shaking its collective head and saying “WTF”?

The Nong is named after the majestic Mount Dandenong whose lofty peaks soar at up to six hundred metres over Melbourne and can take several challenging minutes to scale by bus.

The race itself is quite similar to the recently announced ten million dollar The Everest – except it is modified for middle and lower class peasants.

The Nong will be an unique event in Australian and indeed, world racing as entry will be solely by turnip and strictly limited to those who own a turnip. No turnip means no entry and don’t ask again as refusal often offends.

The concept is startlingly simple. Ten slots will be available in the race each year, to be purchased on a twenty five year rotating lease by people we know prior to this announcement of the event. Each slot owner can sell, trade or lease their turnips for other turnips, or alternatively partner with someone without a turnip, but preferably with a horse. Unique to this event is that slots can also be species traded locally and internationally, as long as the species has four legs and a tail, or looks, or sounds like a horse. Interest from two person horse costumes is welcomed, but for integrity reasons guinea pigs are obviously excluded to avoid the race becoming a laughing stock.

The prize money pool will also be based on revenue from the turnips and turnip based promotional activities, bringing close to no revenue to Australian racing, but making a great, flashy press release. . The race itself will be run under WTF conditions over the traditional distance of 1347.23 metres, ensuring world record breaking times.

Racing spokesman Mr V ‘Ested Interest said “ We are hoping to turn around falling racing popularity as nowhere previously has showcased the finest turnips and horse flesh in the one event. This event is unprecedented anywhere in the world, and the obviously the last thing we would want to do is to further reinforce the general public opinion that racing is an out of touch, elitist sport run by rich, old men”.




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Thanks! Was about to post it here, but good to see it has already got around...

That was from our Facebook page in case anyone want to see the original with graphic.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-09, 12:38 AM
Well said David Fowler. Mark Latham's "social media chattering classes" take note:

MY CALL: WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE IN PURSUIT OF FAILURE?

By David Fowler | Tuesday, February 7, 2017 ON HRO

David Fowler is the principal thoroughbred caller for Radio TAB. David, who is a keen form student and punter, has enjoyed a lifetime involvement in the racing media. His personal blog, ‘My Call’, appears exclusively on HRO.

Why are so many people so swift to criticise and almost zealous in their pursuit to secure failure?

It's not just a racing thing but in this case it is...the announcement of the $10 million race The Everest.

Last Wednesday's release was a bombshell and that's a coup in itself in today's media environment.

The secret had been very well kept after months of planning. That's right, discussion and consultation with all of the right people over a long period of time.

The keyboard warriors must have been disappointed they weren't given a call. Their almost instantaneous voice of disapproval suggested it had been dreamt up overnight.

And on they went, complaining of elitism and the race being in the hands of a few leading studs.

And they all agreed with each other as members of the "mutual admiration society" so what they said must be right, mustn't it ?

I'm a passionate supporter of our democratic system and would be the first to say everyone is entitled to an opinion. No brainer.

But why is the tone on Twitter or Facebook so strident and demeaning on occasions?

Who are these people?

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The knee-jerk reactionaries rarely let facts spoil a good story.

It was too elitist and most wouldn't be able to put their hat in the ring because of the $1.8 million buy-in over three years for a starting position.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

In fact, I see this pay-up as one of the potential strengths of the concept.

There is the real possibility that the corporate world or big business will be attracted to this and will be more than happy to stump up.

There is generous flexibility within the $1.8 million. Expect the phone of the battler with the giant killer sprinter to be ringing hot.

Imagine what a big business outfit can do with such an opportunity in terms of marketing or advertising, bringing racing into a wider audience.

Yes, of course, the world's major nurseries will be playing a part but what's wrong with that?

Ever thought a race like The Everest might extend the racing life of a brilliant three-year-old rather than be whisked off to the breeding barn ?

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You would be naive to think there isn't some Sydney versus Melbourne rivalry in this whole box of tricks.

But here are two more myths to bust.

This hue and cry that The Everest will strip Caulfield Guineas Day of it limelight and glamour is laughable.

The Caulfield Guineas is generally a terrific contest but I wouldn't call it nation-stopping.

Most Spring Carnival enthusiasts, of the wider racing audience, stump up from Caulfield Cup day.

And the notion that because of the $10 million purse, The Everest will challenge the Melbourne Cup's supremacy, is not even worth entertaining.

The Melbourne Cup will always be the nation's greatest race and doesn't have to get tangled up in any silly prizemoney wars to maintain that standing.

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Racing NSW has done more for racing participants than any other state by a country mile.

Taking a stand on several issues has been vindicated in outstanding returns to participants across the Board.

The Everest concept is a bold but calculated gamble.

It should be embraced rather than cheaply criticised.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-09, 01:08 AM
I reckon PV is being a little disingenuous don't you?

How many $425k yearling would be syndicated in the true sense like Dynamic, Darby, Elite etc etc? I'd say very few  ;)


Spending $425k at the sales and buying $425k yearlings are two different things Gin  :o

I don't get your point PP  :shrug:

Still as I said I struggle to see the comparison PV used.

The average sale price at the Magic Million's sale was being proudly announced to the media as being over $200k - not sure what it ended up

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/magic-millions-first-day-average-sale-price-over-200000-already/news-story/322787e4e5ad419bf5bd8236304a9092

So people spending $200k on average on a single unraced yearling seems OK, but people spending $425k on a slot in a $10 million race is worthy of such reaction?

I think the point is obvious.

A lot of the "criticism" (not all) is coming out of Victoria who obviously have their noses a bit out of joint.

This is what happens when you are burdened with a board of directors from your major racing body who seem to think "innovation" is changing the names on the 1-10 scale of track ratings to get rid of the word "dead" because of the negative connotations, institute 30 minute gaps between races including Saturdays which the Melbourne Race Clubs rejected, and signed a "fantastic" deal for broadcast rights which cost them money instead of the other way around, and whose success can be judged by the fact that Channel 7 refuses to release the ratings figures to Oztam.

And where are they all now? Oh that's right, all effectively sacked.

Maybe if they had been taking notice of Racing NSW's innovations like increasing country racing prizemoney and putting on things like Country and Provincial Championships, having country racing "showcase" days where they add $10k to the minimum prizemoney, The Championships themselves (remember the same sorts of criticisms of V'Landys when he announced that?), getting a few extra percentage points out of the corporates via Racefields and fighting them all the way to the High Court and winning (noted the Vics now use this in spite of zero support when the fight was on), the TAB Highway handicaps that have been so popular they have been extended well beyond their expected cycle, and probably a heap of other things.

Now we get told Everest is a stupid idea from pretty much the same people who said The Championships were a stupid idea, and told it is "elitist" by journalist who probably get free food and drink in the priveleged areas at Flemington on Cup Day.

You guys sholud listen to yourselves once in a while.   :biggrin:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2017-Feb-09, 10:15 AM
Suppose the 12 slots collude on a different prize money split?

2622
1300
678
600 * 9

So they all get a free run at that $2.8 million V'landys has generously donated.

Great deal for the slots.

But imagine the side effects on the whole promotion.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Feb-09, 11:58 AM
"This is what happens when you are burdened with a board of directors from your major racing body who seem to think "innovation" is changing the names on the 1-10 scale of track ratings to get rid of the word "dead" because of the negative connotations, institute 30 minute gaps between races including Saturdays which the Melbourne Race Clubs rejected, and signed a "fantastic" deal for broadcast rights which cost them money instead of the other way around, and whose success can be judged by the fact that Channel 7 refuses to release the ratings figures to Oztam."

Seem to remember all the social media "chatterers" attacking each of these changes as well. Shame on them - they should stick to the turnips.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-10, 11:35 AM
Well said David Fowler. Mark Latham's "social media chattering classes" take note:

MY CALL: WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE IN PURSUIT OF FAILURE?

By David Fowler | Tuesday, February 7, 2017 ON HRO

David Fowler is the principal thoroughbred caller for Radio TAB. David, who is a keen form student and punter, has enjoyed a lifetime involvement in the racing media. His personal blog, ‘My Call’, appears exclusively on HRO.

Why are so many people so swift to criticise and almost zealous in their pursuit to secure failure?

It's not just a racing thing but in this case it is...the announcement of the $10 million race The Everest.

Last Wednesday's release was a bombshell and that's a coup in itself in today's media environment.

The secret had been very well kept after months of planning. That's right, discussion and consultation with all of the right people over a long period of time.

The keyboard warriors must have been disappointed they weren't given a call. Their almost instantaneous voice of disapproval suggested it had been dreamt up overnight.

And on they went, complaining of elitism and the race being in the hands of a few leading studs.

And they all agreed with each other as members of the "mutual admiration society" so what they said must be right, mustn't it ?

I'm a passionate supporter of our democratic system and would be the first to say everyone is entitled to an opinion. No brainer.

But why is the tone on Twitter or Facebook so strident and demeaning on occasions?

Who are these people?

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I started to yawn when I read the author  :sleep: he's openingly shown in his posts here in the past that he believes his opinion is the only one that matters and poured scorn on anyone who isn't a name so it's ironic he's drawling on about democracy.

Remember - shouting the loudest doesn't make you the smartest.

Pass me a turnip please TD.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: arthur on 2017-Feb-10, 12:46 PM
Remember - shouting the loudest doesn't make you the smartest.

As recently exemplified by our esteemed(?) PM
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-10, 01:23 PM
DJF's question in the title of his piece is quite valid

i.e. Why are so many people in pursuit of failure?

This rhetorical question to me encapsulates the negativity of both social and mainstream media, as exemplified on all the people bagging the idea of The Everest this far out.

Gin. I've seen you blame V'Landys for the poor deal the greyhounds signed up for in the past. You are not going to tell me there isn't a little bit of hatred of V'Landys over that matter driving your spray?

As for the others spraying V'Landys, I can tell you this.

On the ground in NSW there is no more respected sporting administrator. He is about to be appointed an NRL Commissioner, and has some very powerful people backing him because of no other reason than the fine work he has done in his current position.

It should be said he is backed up by a great organization that is getting praised from all comers - heard Brenton Avdulla praising Racing NSW post race at Newcastle on Tuesday and he joins many others grateful that we have such a competent body running racing in this state - especially when you see what is going on elsewhere.

My particular involvement in this forum (which will probably come to an end in the near future) was sourced back to the old MSN forum days where I was an advocate for country racing when there was very little advocacy. People worked for near subsistence money and no-one in the Sydney based racing corridors of power gave a stuff.

PV turned this around and you just only have to watch Sky Thoroughbred Central during the midweeks to see the gratitude expressed to Racing NSW for the job they have done for rural racing in NSW - a similar thing to Victoria it should be said. CRV does a very good job in looking after it's own. I feel as though my job is done   :biggrin:

As for the turnip comments, they are typical of the negativity that seems to have invaded what was once a nice place to visit.

You go through my recent posts and there are a hell of a lot of dud tips in there, posting of fields, racing related commentary and entries to competitions, and I try and not be too negative and crack a joke here and there. Occasionally stir up jfc   :lol:

You go through the recent posts of others and all you get is negative, spiteful stuff and zero contribution in terms of racing. Anything Peter V'Landy's says in public is scrutinized to the nth degree by a vocal minority - usually from outside NSW - and twisted and exaggerated without any recognition of what the guy has done.

No wonder DJF doesn't post here any more. Probably has more positive stuff to do with his life.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-10, 08:53 PM
DJF's question in the title of his piece is quite valid

i.e. Why are so many people in pursuit of failure?


Gin. I've seen you blame V'Landys for the poor deal the greyhounds signed up for in the past. You are not going to tell me there isn't a little bit of hatred of V'Landys over that matter driving your spray?



Totally false PP.

You need to go back over what I posted, never have I blamed him for a deal that was signed long before he had anything to do with racing.

Still PV showed in that video he was complicit in the knowledge of the decision that was to be handed down. How and why were never answered?

Instead of banding together as an industry with support he was dancing around the carcass. I'm sure he had plans to simply fill the void left by the dogs without even a blink of concern.

So spare me if I'm dirty on his actions.

I've always been supportive of the Championships and still do so I don't know where you get that idea from  :shrug: I was a long term ATC (STC) member who only handed my membership back when my circumstances changed which stopped me going regularly.

I'm always a glass half full guy but I'll call out 'bullshit' when I see it, it's what's got me in trouble over the time as people simply don't want to hear the truth.

This whole concept which every way I look at it just doesn't sit well with me, it just has that smell about it.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-11, 04:58 AM
Totally false PP.

You need to go back over what I posted, never have I blamed him for a deal that was signed long before he had anything to do with racing.

Still PV showed in that video he was complicit in the knowledge of the decision that was to be handed down. How and why were never answered?

Instead of banding together as an industry with support he was dancing around the carcass. I'm sure he had plans to simply fill the void left by the dogs without even a blink of concern.

So spare me if I'm dirty on his actions.

I've always been supportive of the Championships and still do so I don't know where you get that idea from  :shrug: I was a long term ATC (STC) member who only handed my membership back when my circumstances changed which stopped me going regularly.

I'm always a glass half full guy but I'll call out 'bullshit' when I see it, it's what's got me in trouble over the time as people simply don't want to hear the truth.

This whole concept which every way I look at it just doesn't sit well with me, it just has that smell about it.

Gin. That post reminds me of a famous quote from Alfred Hitchcock:

"I never said all actors are cattle; what I said was all actors should be treated like cattle."

We'll have to agree to disagree mate.

Love your work brother   :biggrin:

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2017-Feb-11, 05:29 PM
And if the prospect of collusion isn't bad enough, what about dud slots?

There might be interest in bidding for the top 4 runners, but then you have 8 slots left which have no real prospect of finishing in front.

I'm looking forward to see who will be rash enough to buy slots, as most of them are likely to be very pissed off as the initiative staggers on.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Feb-12, 05:01 PM
This race will have about as much relevance to the average punter as the silly fashion parade they put on, I reckon they will be lucky to get a full field, you will need a bloody good horse in the best form of it's life to warrant paying $600,000 for a start, let alone $1.8mill for 3 years......how many horses could back up 3 years in a row......and how many people are lucky enough get a different good horse 3 years in a row?..............and say if an owner bought multiple slots in the race and owned a Hay List.......and a Black Caviar wasn't in the race......would they sell their vacant spot to allow her in?....a $10mill race without the best horse? or if a Black Caviar was around how many others would pay $600,000 to run second at best?......this concept will not work if there is a champion on the horizon.....and even in a good year you may have 3 or 4 really good sprinters who may be willing tp pay to have a go...........but 12? what year did we have that many top class sprinters that would be willing to pay $600,000 when realistically the best they could hope for is a top 10 finish? it is only for mega rich, like yearling sales, more akin to Pyramid selling than Thoroughbred racing
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Feb-12, 05:13 PM
Let's take stock in three year's time.

If it's a flop the those who said it would be can say "I told you so" and those who supported it can say "It was worth a go, and non one died".

If it succeeds those who supported it can say "I told you so" and those who thought it would be a flop can say.............................ummmm what can they say except "I was wrong"

I support it.

 
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Feb-12, 05:55 PM
Hey JWH I never said it wouldn't be a success.....it just depends on your definition of success.....if you mean will it make the rich richer it will be a monumental success, no doubt.....will it make the public care more about racing.......I have my doubts......racing was always a sport of Kings everywhere but Australia..............until we decided to follow the leader into oblivion..........now it is the sport of Kings here and no one gives a damn..........who cares if Waller/Waterhouse/O'Shea etc trains a winner, we need Joe Janiaks/Vic Rail etc.............but if they have to have a Champion to get a big race winner it happens far too rarely to matter...........only genuine Handicaps make Romance possible on a regular basis, Hollywood has known since day dot you can't put bums on seats without romance.......the romance of the Turf is dead......the Everest has nothing to do with Romance of the turf, that is why it won't help racing, it is a plaything for the rich and as such they won't let it fail.....so you will have your hollow victory
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2017-Feb-12, 06:00 PM
JWH,

you are daft.

This caper is essentially about punting.

Predictions, not wise after the fact.

Dave and I have approached this from different perspectives, mine being to have zero involvement with form and similar distracting crap.

However our conclusions essentially concur.

The Championships have been a fiasco. We know this because all objective statistics about it have been withheld.

This venture has nothing going for it. It's all about irrational pipe dreams involving middlemen.

I've finally made whatever wealth I've made by steering well clear of middlemen whenever possible.

Others may have made theirs' the opposite way.

But my bet is they are no sure thing to keep it, if they persist in that method.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Feb-12, 06:21 PM
JWH,

you are daft.

You're not alone in that assessment.

Punting is an important aspect of racing as are all the other contributors including an ambulance being in attendance.

Racing has survived, maybe prospered, in Dubai without a gambling contribution.



Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-12, 06:39 PM
Surely, jfc, this is all part and parcel of this great sport we love.

It is simply a punt on slots.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2017-Feb-12, 07:57 PM
Surely, jfc, this is all part and parcel of this great sport we love.

It is simply a punt on slots.
No!

No, it's not!

Punting on slots, is akin to Pokies, Keno, Lotto and other brain dead crap.

We should all scorn that.

But what we all should love and aspire to is rationally chasing our dreams.

Besides Rail and Janiak, most here would warm to to the highs of the Tears I Cry owner and trainer.

Moving closer to my focus, we can consider Bubba. Who's in a position to set me straight,  if necessary.

Circa late 60s he saw some punting opportunities and successfully exploited them until pesky computers reared their indominatable head. But by then he'd set himself up for life, and there aren't too many punters I've heard of, that can say that.


Back to the venture in question.

If you're among V'landys' cronies you might find ways of stitching things up in your favour.

Who cares.

Otherwise why would anyone else bother participating!

If I know what an edge Zeljko has over me and everyone in Totes, and I can't tread water  anymore. I'd pull my head in pronto.

The KPIs suggest many have already done that.

And if I'm up for a $2 million crap shoot against the V'landys illuminati I'd be exploring other propositions.

Unless I'm hampered by a spoilt brat upbringing that's perverted my ability to perceive and cope with expectations.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Feb-12, 09:42 PM
When I talk about the romance of racing a perfect illustration would be the 2015 Melbourne Spring Carnival,  Prince of Penzance, Michelle Payne and Steve the strapper winning the Melbourne Cup as opposed to Winx winning the Cox Plate.......now Winx is a star, no doubt but outside the racing pages who even knows she exists? there is no romance involved, Champion multi Millionaire trainer and Jockey doing what they always do, winning big races........who really cares? Even punters just yawn and look at the next race.............but to prove the effect Michelle Payne, Stevie and Prince Of Penzance.....they are making it into a movie........and they didn't need a Champion horse to do it...........it could only happen in a Handicap! Now that's Romance!......and that is what puts racing on the front pages.........it did for nearly 150 years until they decided to turn to set weight baby races and WFA racing.....only for the purists...... and Breeders but you will never get a crowd of purists at the races.....and Breeders get in free!
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-12, 10:24 PM
Jim

Winx spends plenty of time on the front and very back page.

As far as I know Waller built himself up from nothing.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-12, 11:58 PM
Jim

Winx spends plenty of time on the front and very back page.

As far as I know Waller built himself up from nothing.

As did Tommy Smith and a heap of other characters.

.......now Winx is a star, no doubt but outside the racing pages who even knows she exists?

As I was saying elsewhere, the quality of Social media seems to be dropping very quickly into the abyss with all sorts of exaggerations made unchallenged to make a point. And I'm not really sure what the point trying to be made is.

Does anyone know for a fact that Michelle Payne is some destitute who drives around in a beaten up old Datsun 180B? The Michelle and Stevie story was great, but what about all the Cups won by the millionaire Lloyd Williams (who wasn't self made but got a leg up from his good mate Kerry Packer). Funny how they get left out of the story telling.

For the record, by the time your horse starts in the Melbourne Cup, you have paid around $50,000 in fees:

Following the allocation of weights, the owner of each horse must on four occasions before the race in November, declare the horse as an acceptor and pay a fee. First acceptance is $960, second acceptance is $1,450 and third acceptance is $2,420. The final acceptance fee, on the Saturday prior to the race, is $45,375.

The entry fees for a normal race at tomorrow at (say) Randwick are

METROPOLITAN
(Effective 1/10/2014)
* Nomination: Free
* Non-Acceptance: $120
* Scratching (with Vet Certificate): Free
* Scratching (without Vet Certificate): $250
* Scratching prior to 9am Thursday for Saturday metropolitan meetings (without Vet Certificate): $125
* All Riding Fees paid by club.

Remind me again about elitism?

I don't mind people criticising things - it is free speech.

But at least be consistent across he board if you are going to use the elitism line otherwise you are looking a bit hypocritical.

The VRC and the Coke snorters at Channel 7 absolute fawn over the rich and famous in their promotionals for the Melbourne Cup week. Yet this idea, Everest, is somehow exclusively elitist. Gimme a break   :lol:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-13, 12:20 AM
Racing NSW seem to be getting it from both sides following the announcement.

There is the "elitist" argument propagated by the Herald Sun, GIX and other publications.

Yet Winfried Engelbrecht-Bresges looks down his nose at the idea calling it, somewhat derogitarily a "sweepstakes" race:

"The Hong Kong Jockey Club has no intention of following other jurisdictions into the major sweepstake race business"

http://www.sportstradingaustralia.com.au/1/category/hkjc/1.html

So which one is it?

Another major critic of the concept is the Racing Bitch. Maybe the Racing Bitch should listen to their idol Winfried Engelbrecht-Bresges a bit more.

There was an article in Racing Bitch that gave me a laugh. titled

THE MAN THAT IS WINFRIED ENGELBRECHT-BRESGES

They preface their sycophancy by saying:

"And without sounding like some fawning sycophant.."

Then proceed to become the biggest fawning sycophant on the planet.

https://racingbitch.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/the-man-that-is-winfried-engelbrecht-bresges/

Maybe the Racing Bitch should consult her guru on the best way to attack the enemy. Dismiss the race as a sweepstakes race? Or call it elitist? You can't have both.


Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-13, 12:59 AM
Obviously they can.

It is a sweep stake the basic manner that racing started post match races.

And as the sweep is so high it is clearly elitist.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Feb-13, 01:27 AM
PP both are correct, it is a sweepstakes race.....but only for an elite group of people who can afford a ticket....the arguments are not mutually exclusive

just like buying a lottery ticket, someone will win..........at the start Waller struggled and he had some luck.......there was romance......but the romance is long dead......he is now a King.... we shouldn't want anyone getting that big, it ain't healthy for the industry as a whole..........he is not really a horse trainer any more anyway, he is a CEO of a big assembly line factory....where's the Romance in that? the bigger question is why are you sticking up for a failing system? Even with Winx, she is more than a Champion, she is freakish, never doubted that..........but if/when she is beaten the balloon will deflate, why does racing need freaks to get on the back page?................we could have Romance that would make the back pages all the time.................Trainers should have to prove they can train the number of horses they claim to have on their books, I know for a fact some don't, they farm them out......when you train a horse that should not mean you pay some one else to tell you how it's going so you can pass that on to the owners and the Public, it should be a hands on business......that is not a restriction of trade, it is just making them do what they claim to be doing anyway!
Handicaps help make it a level playing field by bringing the ones with all the money and the best horses back to the field, they also produce the best betting races and races that are more truly run.............ain't that better for punters? which in turn must be better for funding racing! everybody wins

The other point that should be looked at seriously if we truly want crowds(Punters and not drunks) back at the races.....is not charging Bookies to operate on course(a tax free zone) of course they would still pay income tax like everyone else, just no betting taxes/charges, that way they could offer very competitive prices to punters.......... in fact they should be paid an appearance fee as they were a huge attraction why punters were there in the past.............who cares how much a meat pie costs.....no one ever went to the races to buy a pie!

I could not believe my eyes watching a promo for racing the other day.......they had a football passing competition for the kids?  telling the kids when you grow up go to the football, not the races!!!! do they do that at the Tennis? Golf? Tiddlywinks? it is the most self deprecating sport or activity on the planet......and we wonder why it is dying on the vine!
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-13, 11:05 AM

Apollo Stakes: Forget the gimmicks, racing needs champions like Winx

Max Presnell 
Published: February 10, 2017 - 6:11PM

Winx is the best drug-free racehorse in the world because US superstars Arrogate and California Chrome were loaded up on home territory with Lasix, the diuretic and performance enhancer.

The situation again came to light when Arrogate scored in the recent Pegasus World Cup when horses that didn't have Lasix in their system were allowed a five-pound (2.5kilograms) allowance. Only one, outsider Eregon, took advantage. Alas a tow truck would have been more useful to Eregon as he didn't complete the event.

The Australian Turf Club and Racing NSW  are set to follow the Pegasus model, but not the Lasix allowance. Lasix is barred on race day in Australia. Surely winning without it should carry more kudos than dirt triumphs with it. Yet the recent Longines World's Best Racehorse assessment rated it superior, with Arrogate (134) and California Chrome (133) being placed above Winx (130), which was named best grass horse.

The ratings are compiled under the auspices of the International Federation of Horseracing Authorities by officials and handicappers representing the five continents, who compile the order by agreeing on the rating for each horse.

Even US promoters admit Lasix gives about a two-length advantage, a start Arrogate possibly could have comfortably given away in some of the races reviewed. Also, American horses have done well without it in other countries.

Still grass has more substance than dirt because of the stricter drug enforcement in jurisdictions, including Australia, where, in Sydney anyway, industry leaders are getting onto the Pegasus bandwagon with a huge prize for The Everest, introduced over the Randwick 1200m next spring for a $1.8 million entry fee for three years.

My personal poll conducted last week had seven against over three in favour. A major bookmaker decreed 100-1 about it ever being staged, but  then added: "Don't use my name." 

Self-funding was a major point in favour, but the media exposure was also emphasised and supported by Ray Paulick, who has an influential racing internet site in the US. Perhaps betting turnover was down on the Pegasus, but Paulick reported it was highlighted on all the major media outlets, which only usually concentrate on the Kentucky Derby and the Breeders Cup.

So far, The Everest has ticked the publicity box at a time when racing is looking for a saviour, even greater than Winx. 

Even racing on the streets of London is being mooted. Me? I'd rather bet at Birdsville. 

Saturday's meetings at Royal Randwick (now postponed due to the extreme heat) and Caulfield are what the Aussie turf is all about: top major events and excellent supports. Maybe Winx had been unbackable in the Apollo Stakes at Randwick in any case, despite the strong field, which included the outstanding Hartnell.

I tipped Hartnell to down the mare in the last Cox Plate. The result didn't come as a surprise but it was so easy. Seeking an answer, trainer John O'Shea was approached. "Moonee Valley is her track, not Hartnell's," he replied.

Now O'Shea wasn't suggesting Hartnell was going to prove superior to Winx on any circuit, even the streets of London, but he would have been better at Randwick. Would I have had an interest on him today? Nah, Winx would not have been trumped, a situation that arose when the US president was enticed into buying a horse.

Paulick related on ABC News Radio's Hoof On The Till that Donald Trump wouldn't pay unless it was called "DJTrump". Connections agreed. He didn't settle anyway and  "DJTrump" never raced.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-13, 11:46 AM
My personal poll conducted last week had seven against over three in favour. A major bookmaker decreed 100-1 about it ever being staged, but  then added: "Don't use my name."

Exaggerations. Negativity. (Presnell is a Victorian native who was anti V'Landys during both Racefields and The Championships initiatives). You are quoting someone who exaggerates things.

Will that bookie, (if he really exists and isn't a figment of Max's imagination) please contact me personally and offer me the 100-1?

Presnell has gone from being a useful journalist to someone whom I avoid reading lest I slit my wrists after reading one of his pieces.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Feb-13, 12:04 PM
"Presnell is a Victorian native"

Are you sure of that?

When did he relocate to Sydney?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Feb-13, 12:26 PM
My personal poll conducted last week had seven against over three in favour. A major bookmaker decreed 100-1 about it ever being staged, but  then added: "Don't use my name."

Exaggerations. Negativity. (Presnell is a Victorian native who was anti V'Landys during both Racefields and The Championships initiatives). You are quoting someone who exaggerates things.

Will that bookie, (if he really exists and isn't a figment of Max's imagination) please contact me personally and offer me the 100-1?

Presnell has gone from being a useful journalist to someone whom I avoid reading lest I slit my wrists after reading one of his pieces.
PP7,  You can't be serious.
Max Presnell is a least a journalist of some conviction.

I suggest you look up the journalist code of ethics.
The first thing you will see is "truth and the public's right of information"

You are sounding like you have signed Racing NSW's "nothing negative" contract.




Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: dean on 2017-Feb-13, 01:33 PM
Agreed Nemisis. Must have signed the form or is the CEO'S love child. Need a CEO who is not a doormat for the foreigners who control the breeding Industry. If you have a look how they treat the lesser lights in their home Countries you get an idea of what value these individuals are to Australian society.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: tontonan on 2017-Feb-13, 01:53 PM
This is getting out of hand...

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WO2tvm6rlAE/WKEs5IpTAkI/AAAAAAAALSM/UucyjuOb48I1jJVbMTWrSmaVlT6SmYF5ACLcB/s1600/Pete.jpg)
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Feb-13, 03:33 PM
.

For the record, by the time your horse starts in the Melbourne Cup, you have paid around $50,000 in fees:

Following the allocation of weights, the owner of each horse must on four occasions before the race in November, declare the horse as an acceptor and pay a fee. First acceptance is $960, second acceptance is $1,450 and third acceptance is $2,420. The final acceptance fee, on the Saturday prior to the race, is $45,375.


Totally different PP and you know it.

Besides, you are paying 90% of the entry fee about 3 days prior to the event, not 3 years in advance.

I hope it succeeds, I really do but it just has that smell about it to me.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-14, 03:01 AM
Totally different PP and you know it.

Besides, you are paying 90% of the entry fee about 3 days prior to the event, not 3 years in advance.

I hope it succeeds, I really do but it just has that smell about it to me.

Don't mind responding to thoughtful posts - those that I don't respond to - well what can I say - get your negative heads out of your arse  :bleh:

In response to you Gin, I was addressing those who say that the Everest is "elitist".

Surely a race where you pay $50k for an entry fee could be termed "elitist"?

Of course the proposal for the Everest is "elitist" like just about everything else in racing.

Spending $200k on a yearling at MMs that is not going to win. Spending $425k on a slot in a $10 million race. Paying $50k for an entry into the Melbourne Cup and rubbing shoulders with Channel 7 coke snorting celebrities, Lloyd Williams and the Housewives of Melbourne sipping champagne in the sponsor's tents. I'd call them all elitist, especially the latter.

You are not going to tell me that Channel 7 and the VRC to not market to people trying to think of themselves as "high society" when they visit Flemington on Cup Day? So you don't call that "elitist"?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-14, 03:16 AM
PP7,  You can't be serious.
Max Presnell is a least a journalist of some conviction.

I suggest you look up the journalist code of ethics.
The first thing you will see is "truth and the public's right of information"

You are sounding like you have signed Racing NSW's "nothing negative" contract.

Well I don't agree.

He was brought up as one of the journalists who had a right of "entitlement". His pathetic support of that bloke who resigned from the Telegraph because he thought his view was more important than anyone else....what's his name again...having trouble remembering. Well he is a nobody now. Unfortunately he took his son down with him.

Ken complained to the ABC Media Watch whose lawyers agreed with the paper - pretty rare that one

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4238016.htm

Here is Presnell with the "fake news" that Michelle Payne was snubbed by just about everyone who isn't Max's mate - Michelle came out later and said she was embarrassed by reports like this.

Anyway mate - I don't think I'm in a minority here

https://www.punters.com.au/forum/horse-racing/Max-Presnell-loves-Bart-Cummings-and-hates-anythinganyone-from-UK_64884/

http://forum.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/max-presnell_topic48983.html

And blow me down look who is giving it to Max here on Racing And Sports - unless of course there are two of 'em   :lol:

Author: Tontonan

Max is way past it. He clearly wouldn't know a good horse if it bit him on the bum. What was the point of his yabbering anyway ? Did it inform us of anything ? Did it help us pick a winner or appreciate the quality of the horses ? No, it was just a flatulent wind and you can get that in any racecourse bar.

Time to retire.

https://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/forum/displayMessage.asp?order=&mid=4649&sum=1&pageno=2

So quote away with your Max columns - they mean nothing to me and a heap of other people - just another "professional whinge" from a  very bitter and negative old man.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-14, 03:42 AM
"Presnell is a Victorian native"

Are you sure of that?

When did he relocate to Sydney?

I think he was pretty young.

Did you know he is a movie star Geoff?

He has an entry on iMDB.

You can read his extensive biography and wonder at his list of achievements

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2129190/
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Feb-14, 08:35 AM


(https://s7.postimg.org/out00vaxj/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/out00vaxj/)
PP7
I could give you Ray  "Caruso" Thomas.

He's the star from CSI Racing NSW
His investigative skills are excellent.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-14, 10:23 AM

(https://s7.postimg.org/out00vaxj/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/out00vaxj/)
PP7
I could give you Ray  "Caruso" Thomas.

He's the star from CSI Racing NSW
His investigative skills are excellent.

No no no nemisis, You can't fool me. That is not a picture of Ray.

Ray is far more handsome.   :lol:

And besides, Ray has not received the baseline discreditation of any jounalist i.e. having your face sprayed with "asp poison" by Tonto.

Similar to Max, I carry the scars of Tontanan's asp venom on my face and am a "discredited social media commentator"  :tears:

I can feel another dose coming on.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Feb-14, 11:36 AM
 PP7
 I must say Tontonan's little offering above was very clever and funny.
 Still gets a grin out of me.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: tontonan on 2017-Feb-14, 04:40 PM
Gee.  I was going to ask if PP7 was the bloke with the horn standing behind Pete  ...   but maybe I shouldn't.   

I just thought it was good for a giggle.    I have always hated that song.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Feb-15, 01:15 AM
Gee.  I was going to ask if PP7 was the bloke with the horn standing behind Pete  ...   but maybe I shouldn't.   

I just thought it was good for a giggle.    I have always hated that song.

The guy on our right is Glenn Miller is it not? I was getting excited because there is the Glen Miller Hcp at Randwick tomorrow - alas Glen has only one 'n'.

Agreed Nemisis. Must have signed the form or is the CEO'S love child.

After that insult Dino you have lost my respect and will have no sway with me

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Feb-20, 05:44 PM
Just putting the much talked about ad here. Of course, the social media negative chatterers are just unappreciative of the simplicity and brilliance.

https://twitter.com/SkyRacingAU/status/832518475809558528
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-20, 11:42 PM
Just putting the much talked about ad here. Of course, the social media negative chatterers are just unappreciative of the simplicity and brilliance.

https://twitter.com/SkyRacingAU/status/832518475809558528

  :lol:  It is atrocious, I doubt even open minded supporters of the race care much for the advert.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Feb-22, 11:50 PM
Ertijaal (richard hills) wins the 7f 3yo championship

Ertijaal: likely to have big prizes on his agenda after Meydan win

 PICTU Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos)

'Aeroplane' Ertijaal could be off around the world

JIM CROWLEY described Ertijaal as “an aeroplane” after his win in the Meydan Sprint last week.

It’s ironic as an aeroplane is the one thing that has been conspicuously absent from the sprinter’s career since he hit the big time.

For the last three seasons he’s led a successful but sheltered existence in the United Arab Emirates, but there must be a chance that last week’s hugely impressive victory will persuade connections to show him off around the world this year.

Since 2014 he’s run at just two tracks, Meydan and Abu Dhabi. Nine of his ten starts in that time came in the months of January and February. The other was in March.

But, although he’s enjoyed an easy programme, kicking his heels for ten months a year, he has taken those limited opportunities to prove himself a real force at the highest level of world sprinting.

He first raised eyebrows by winning a pair of valuable Meydan handicaps under big weights last year before stepping up to Group 1 company and finishing second to Australian star Buffering in the Al Quoz Sprint on Dubai World Cup night.

He finished last season with a peak RPR of 120 and has improved again this year, winning another valuable handicap off an even higher mark – and just as easily – on his penultimate start. Then he won his first graded race at Meydan last week.

He was 4-7 favourite for the Meydan Sprint on Thursday when the only real question was whether he could be as monstrous as he has been in handicaps at level weights.

If he had failed to impress in graded company we might have labelled him a ‘weight-carrier’. You sometimes get these in 5f races and it simply means the weight on their back does not hinder their speed as much as you might expect and therefore their handicap form can look deceptively good.

But, as it happens, he improved again in the Group 3 race, winning easily with a freakish burst of speed taking him well clear of his rivals in the final furlong to record the quickest ever time over 5f at Meydan – 55.90sec.

An RPR of 123 for this success ranks him as the best sprinter in the world at this very early stage of the year, ahead of the leading Hong Kong speedballs and Saturday’s Black Caviar Lightning winner Terravista (120).

The Dubai sprint programme has changed slightly this year, which means he will probably have to step up to 6f for his next start in either the Nad Al Sheba Sprint on Super Saturday or the Al Quoz Sprint (switched from 5f to 6f this year) on World Cup night.

With winning form over 7f, he should handle the extra distance, although speed is clearly his forte and there’s no telling whether he’ll be quite as potent over the longer sprint distance as he hasn’t run beyond the minimum trip for two years.

Beyond that connections should be looking global. Regular partner Crowley says he’s up with the best sprinters he’s ever ridden and there should be opportunities on the international circuit for a horse this fast if connections fancy it.

How he gets on over 6f next time will give us a better idea of potential targets. If he sees it out well, something like the King’s Stand Stakes over the undulating straight 5f at Royal Ascot could be worth a look. The ten-year average RPR for winners of that race stands at 121, so he’s already thereabouts.

If things go to plan next month and connections wanted to get really adventurous, they could even grab a ticket for the world’s richest turf race, the Everest, set to be run at Randwick in October.

Owner Hamdan Al Maktoum has an international racing portfolio and a global outlook, so overseas trips must be in his mind with Ertijaal, who has just turned six, suggesting this could be his time to shine.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-18, 09:25 AM
James Harron Locks In First Everest Slot

By Brad Gray

James Harron is the first to book his spot in the inaugural running of the world’s richest turf race The Everest.

“It's a hugely exciting concept. It's a race which will capture the attention of not just the racing world, but the public as a whole,” said Harron, who heads up his own bloodstock agency James Harron Bloodstock.

“There's a huge buzz about this project - as befits a $10 million race.

“I'm sure that this will only increase as the slot purchases are announced and the contenders begin to emerge. It is going to be fascinating to follow the trading. We will be keeping a very close eye on sprinters domestically and internationally and plan on being very open to the possibility of doing a deal on our slot.”

The group of owners who have come together with Harron to purchase the first of the twelve Everest slots are Belinda Bateman, Fergus and Delia Doyle, Donna and Rob Love, Phil and Glenda Mehrten, John and Fran Ingham, Danny and Pauline Saab and Gary Diamond.

“The cornerstone of our business is to buy colts with the aim of creating stallions, very much the type of horses who would be aimed at weight-for-age sprints as three-year-olds,” said Harron.

“The Everest gives an outstanding chance to showcase three-year-old sprinters against not only the best horses in Australia, but very likely also against some of the best international sprinters.”

Harron, who won the Golden Slipper last year with Capitalist and will have Pariah running in his familiar green and gold colours in the two-year-old feature this afternoon, has no doubt that you will need a world class sprinter to win The Everest.

“With the race over six months away it is very early to be talking about specific horses, although the race really suits the kind of horses we are aiming to produce through the colt group, so I would be hopeful that one of the current two-year-olds develops into the right kind of horse.”

“Peter V'Landys and his team at Racing NSW deserve huge credit for putting this together, as do Darren Pearce and his team at the ATC. For me there is no doubt that this race will very quickly become one of the most important events on the global racing calendar.”

There has been enormous interest in The Everest, with only four slots remaining.

"Racing NSW and the ATC are accepting bids for slot licences, but interested bidders should act quickly. It is largely first in best dressed,” said Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys.

The Everest will be run at Royal Randwick over 1200 metres on 14 October 2017.

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/article-display/James-Harron-Locks-In-First-Everest-Slot/22309
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Mar-18, 09:40 AM
Only 4 slots remaining !

Who own the other slots ?

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Mar-18, 09:42 AM
How will this race impact the Golden Rose ?

Perhaps it should be for 4yos and upwards like the The Pegasus is.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-18, 10:02 AM
How will this race impact the Golden Rose ?

Perhaps it should be for 4yos and upwards like the The Pegasus is.

Good point.

I don't think they will have an age restriction because when people are paying that sort of money they wouldn't like being told they couldn't run a 3yo.

However the Golden Rose is run in "earlyish" September and this race is in the middle of October? They would have to drop back from 1400m to 1200m though.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Mar-18, 06:01 PM
So a 'story' released today trumped the first sale (I didn't even think it was open for this yet?) but then boosts there is 8 actually gone. How? Why not tell who?

Wouldn't you want to tell us who they all were  :what:

Surely they wouldn't be stretching the truth would they  :nowink:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-18, 08:07 PM
I reckon there is a good chance someone will make a deal with the owners of She Will Reign.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: qwertyu1234567 on 2017-Mar-19, 01:33 PM
How about everyone on the forum chuck in a few bob
and we book a spot.    :lol:

Don't know what horse everyone would want running for them atm  :chin:

Could this turn out to be a 4 or 5 horse race 
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: arthur on 2017-Mar-19, 04:07 PM
I'd be in it . .

But you've pinpointed the problem

There would never be consensus
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2017-Mar-19, 05:01 PM
How about everyone on the forum chuck in a few bob
and we book a spot.     :lol:  

Don't know what horse everyone would want running for them atm  :chin:

Could this turn out to be a 4 or 5 horse race

If the reports that 8 places have already been taken I don't think there will be any worries about field size
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: ianb on 2017-Mar-20, 10:17 AM
I reckon there is a good chance someone will make a deal with the owners of She Will Reign.
If they do they have more money than sense.

She is a  3 year old, Golden Slipper winning filly against theoretically the best older horses just  3 months into the season - I don't think so.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Mar-20, 10:50 AM
If they do they have more money than sense.

She is a  3 year old, Golden Slipper winning filly against theoretically the best older horses just  3 months into the season - I don't think so.

That is what the weight allowance is for.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-21, 08:25 AM
If they do they have more money than sense.

She is a  3 year old, Golden Slipper winning filly against theoretically the best older horses just  3 months into the season - I don't think so.

Aaaah. Good morning Rip Van Winkle. Good to see that The Everest makes you arise from your slumber.   :biggrin:

We could debate her merits in this  race.

My own thoughts is that she is not comfortable on a wet track and we really didn't see the best of her at the end of this campaign. She just looks the part - call it intuition.

It is rare territory seeing a 3yo in open company at that time of year. Exceed And Excel as a 3yo did win the Group 1 1400m race at Caulfield in Spring (it goes through so many race name changes I cannot keep track - think it's registered name is the Victoria Hcp) and I don't think the handicapper was none too kind to him either - might have carried the #5 saddlecloth.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Jeunes on 2017-Mar-22, 10:02 AM
I think the Everest as a concept could work out well if the ATC or VRC or a another club bought a slot or 2and gave it to the winner of a certain G1 race or points system for a few G1 races. This could bring more hype to the G1 races plus ensures quality of the Everest too.

Currently unless there is some sort of compromise, it favours the very rich who can hold out the slots in their favour while the owners of some good horses won't be able to afford it.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2017-Mar-23, 08:02 AM
Tabcorp, Star succumb to V'landys' charm.

Smacks of desperation to me,

Still makes no sense.



http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/big-business-gains-branding-boost-on-jockey-colours-for-the-everest-at-randwick-20170321-gv2utb.html
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-23, 10:55 AM
Tabcorp, Star succumb to V'landys' charm.

Smacks of desperation to me,

Still makes no sense.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/big-business-gains-branding-boost-on-jockey-colours-for-the-everest-at-randwick-20170321-gv2utb.html

Doesn't make any sense?

So are we going from "It will never work" to "it makes no sense"?

Do I sense progress on the acceptance front   :biggrin:

The Star and Tabcorp have already bought slots in The Everest and will now negotiate with suitable connections to find a horse to run under their banners.

Advertising is strictly forbidden on jockey colours in Australian racing, with only Emirates, which is aligned with international racing giant Godolphin, allowed to carry branding on Sheikh Mohammed's famous blue colours in the Melbourne Cup, a race in which it is the primary sponsor.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-23, 11:13 AM
"This can be life-changing for battlers who might have a good horse and they attract the attention of slot-owners who want their horse to race for them, and we've even had an interstate race club interested from day one."


So while all the negative nellies have been busy telling us all why it won't work, there was an interstate race club (most likely Victorian) negotiating a slot   :lol:

I take it they would use the slot as some sort of added prize to a lead up sprint? Would they give 100% as the prize or would the club retain some to try and improve their ROI.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2017-Mar-23, 11:28 AM
Doesn't make any sense?

So are we going from "It will never work" to "it makes no sense"?
Did I say any of that!

I believe I gave my reasons earlier.

If you're not a top contender. you'll lose heaps.

Now, will Tabcorp want to sponsor a dud that could easily finish well last?

So what will it do?

Fish one out of the Isle of Man?


Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Mar-23, 01:45 PM
"This can be life-changing for battlers who might have a good horse and they attract the attention of slot-owners who want their horse to race for them, and we've even had an interstate race club interested from day one."


So while all the negative nellies have been busy telling us all why it won't work, there was an interstate race club (most likely Victorian) negotiating a slot   :lol:

I take it they would use the slot as some sort of added prize to a lead up sprint? Would they give 100% as the prize or would the club retain some to try and improve their ROI.

I had to go and read the story to see who would come up with such dribble, anyone who stopped to think about it would know it's a stupid statement to be swallowed by the media  :whistle:

Why doesn't it surprise it came out of this blokes mouth  :shutup:

Racing NSW chief executive Peter V'landys hoped the 12 slot-holders – who will fork out $600,000 annually for three years – would be finalised within the coming weeks.

"We always said it would be first in, best dressed, and we're trying to diversify the slot-owners and we've certainly done that," he said.


"This can be life-changing for battlers who might have a good horse and they attract the attention of slot-owners who want their horse to race for them, and we've even had an interstate race club interested from day one."






Anyone who puts any thought to it would know that any horse even being considered would have already produced on the track (She Will Reign, Houtzen, Chat, Speith etc etc) their owners would have already done well  :yes: Yet this spin doctor puts out this trash for the masses to swallow, the bloke makes me sick  :sick:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: tontonan on 2017-Mar-23, 02:24 PM
Welcome to Emirates  Royal Randwick for the running of the International Oil Cartel Everest

The field is assembling in the Commonwealth Bank Can Do Theatre of the Horse.

Let Your Fingers Do the Walking ... is a bit old fashioned and we are surprised he is still going around

I'm Loving It ... has been rumoured to contain various prohibited substances but the punters just love it sweet

Open Happiness
... is fizzing up a little, but appears to have some Life about him and the reports from overseas are that he is the Real Thing

Finger Licking Good .... looks a bit fat but is at tasty odds and has been prepared to an original recipe in Kentucky

Hard Earned Thirst... is the local hope and many have wondered when he would get his chance at international glory, well, as a matter of fact he's got it now

Were Moving With You ... is a prolific American but inclined to breakdown

Oh What A Feeling ... has made the journey from Japan and is known for its reliability

Don't Leave Home Without it ...   the interest is high on this one,

The Best A Man Can Get.... looks sharp on the face of it

When Only The Best Will Do ... is a bit of a smokey and many are surprised he is even allowed to take his place in the field but if the mail is right he'll not only blow them away, he'll kill them

Because I'm Worth It... if racing were a beauty quest then the French filly would win it but its not and she may not be all that she is made up to be

Just Do It
... is a youngster out of Asia that has not been adequately rewarded for what he has produced so far

And now let's pause for a word from our sponsors.....
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-23, 04:28 PM
Very funny. You guys make me laugh   :lol:

Can someone who is criticizing the sponsorship aspect of Everest point out to me where in the past on this forum they have levelled the same criticism at the VRC for permitting Emirates to advertise on jockey's gear during the Melbourne Cup carnival?

No?

Thought not  ;)
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2017-Mar-23, 07:46 PM
 Chris Roots‏Verified account @ChrisRoots1 7m7 minutes ago

You Long investments and Darby racing have signed the Everest contract for She Will Reign
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Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Mar-23, 08:21 PM
Serious question, how does this work? If she injuries herself before the race, then have they done their money cold or do they get another pick for that slot?

I find serious probity issues with someone "buying" a horse for a race, who gets to control what races they run in before then?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: tontonan on 2017-Mar-23, 08:34 PM
My reading is they own the slot and can nominate whoever they can negotiate to run for them.  So if the filly goes wrong, or even if they simply change their mind they retain the slot they have paid for.

The second question is a good one.  I am not good enough to answer it.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Mar-23, 08:49 PM
I thought smarter heads may have prevailed with this ridiculous concept. Seems not. It appears the Egyptian and his puppy dog will get their way. Their was a time when Australian racing was the envy of the World but when you allow these self ingratiated breeders to run it for themselves you know the whole thing starts falling apart. Only their greed motivates them. K Callander was spot on.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Jeunes on 2017-Mar-23, 09:36 PM
Serious question, how does this work? If she injuries herself before the race, then have they done their money cold or do they get another pick for that slot?

I find serious probity issues with someone "buying" a horse for a race, who gets to control what races they run in before then?

It is a good investment if you can find a good horse to run in the slot. By my reckoning, it is 1.8M for 3 years. If you own a good horse in Year 1, chances are that you may not get it to run in Year 2 or 3 unless it is a gelding. I would be going to the next big thing's owners and offering a deal in the lines of the first $600k from the prizemoney plus 10-20% of the remainder. If I owned a good horse in Year 3, that would be a  good proposition if someone offered me that deal considering there are no competing races around that date.

In regards to probity and choosing races etc, this has been always around. Think about the CC and MC doubles market and how many horses bypass the CC these days etc even though they are high up in the betting. Nothing will change regarding and it depends on how strong the owners are.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Mar-23, 11:00 PM
You know what is really puzzling about this race?? why the public give a damn!! none of us will likely have a ticket in it.....so why do we waste even seconds of our lives discussing it like we care?.....It is just another race, when it comes around I may or may not have a bet in it.....but till then I could not care less...........This Story should be in Woman's Day not a racing Forum!!  No one is even remotely discussing the actual race.... how can we until a field is announced there is no race!!
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Mar-24, 09:05 AM
It is a good investment if you can find a good horse to run in the slot. By my reckoning, it is 1.8M for 3 years. If you own a good horse in Year 1, chances are that you may not get it to run in Year 2 or 3 unless it is a gelding. I would be going to the next big thing's owners and offering a deal in the lines of the first $600k from the prizemoney plus 10-20% of the remainder. If I owned a good horse in Year 3, that would be a  good proposition if someone offered me that deal considering there are no competing races around that date.



The 3 years is one part I've struggled with. It really precludes 'owners' outside of the big studs or corporations, syndicatiors etc

Any 3 year old colt or filly isn't likely to be racing by 5, even less likely if they are already 4. Why would an owner sign up?  :shrug:

Again it still just looks like the big boys pissing contest either trying to promote their own stock or handing out slots to those worthy to run for 'them'  :dry:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Mar-24, 11:22 AM
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-24, 01:10 PM
Chris Roots‏Verified account @ChrisRoots1 7m7 minutes ago

You Long investments and Darby racing have signed the Everest contract for She Will Reign
0 replies 1 retweet 3 likes

I did suggest that. A person with thinner skin than I would have pointed out the negative comments I got in response  :angel:

I reckon there is a good chance someone will make a deal with the owners of She Will Reign.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-24, 01:14 PM
I predict that this race, and the WFA Caulfield Cup will be runaway successes.

All you negative nellies will be left sipping your Thai Tom Yum soup.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Mar-24, 01:45 PM
PP you've ignored my point.

There is nothing here for an owner or a group of owners like She Will Reign to buy their own slot. It's only viable to them to do a deal with a slot buyer.

The 3 year buy-in in reality precludes single horse purchasing of a slot.

It forces those who want to participate to be at the beck and call of those with the deep pockets, which ever way you look at it, spin it, it's terribly elitist.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Mar-24, 04:28 PM
WTF is wrong with you people?? why are you spending so much time discussing what at the moment is still a fantasy race is still 7 months in the future??......when there are real races on Tonight and Tomorrow?? pure gossip and nothing more.....get a life
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Mar-24, 04:54 PM
Well Dave I can we can hold more than one conversation at a time.

I like discussing a fantasy 2 mile race in November as well.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Mar-24, 05:12 PM
WTF is wrong with you people?? why are you spending so much time discussing what at the moment is still a fantasy race is still 7 months in the future??......when there are real races on Tonight and Tomorrow?? pure gossip and nothing more.....get a life

Um because it's topical   :whistle:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-25, 06:28 AM
PP you've ignored my point.

There is nothing here for an owner or a group of owners like She Will Reign to buy their own slot. It's only viable to them to do a deal with a slot buyer.

The 3 year buy-in in reality precludes single horse purchasing of a slot.

It forces those who want to participate to be at the beck and call of those with the deep pockets, which ever way you look at it, spin it, it's terribly elitist.

But you are making out the owners of She Will Reign are victims, being forced to do something they don't want to.

Have you talked to them?

They are probably "over the moon" at having someone paid for their place in the race and getting a crack at some serious money.

For a group of owners who might be at "the beck and call of those with the deep pockets", the speed at which they came to an agreement was pretty quick  :chin:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-25, 06:34 AM
Latest market with Ladbrokes

Chautauqua 6.00
She Will Reign 6.00
Astern 7.00
Winx 8.00
Spieth 11.00
Houtzen 13.00
Russian Revolution 13.00
Star Turn 13.00
Limato (IRE) 15.00
Acapulco (USA) 17.00
Aerovelocity 17.00
Lady Aurelia (USA) 17.00
Music Magnate 17.00
Mecca's Angel (IRE) 21.00
Malaguerra 26.00
Black Heart Bart 31.00
Terravista 31.00
Big Arthur 41.00
English 41.00
Lucky Bubbles 41.00
Lucky Hussler 41.00
Supido 41.00
Takedown 41.00
AP Indian (USA) 51.00
Drefong (USA) 51.00
Fell Swoop 51.00
Not Listenin'tome 51.00
The Quarterback 71.00
Illustrious Lad 101.00
Japonisme 101.00
Rebel Dane 101.00
Sheidel 101.00
Under The Louvre 101.00
Pakistan Star 201.00
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2017-Mar-25, 01:13 PM
I was absorbed watching Vertical Limit last night ~5 hours past my normal bedtime, leading me to finally get this off my chest.

Why didn't V'landys call this Koscuiszko!

That would have been honest.

While Everest is reminiscent of one more AOTY fraud Jessica Who Cares, who played hooky so badly that she thought circumnavigating Antartica was a round the world sail!

If V'landys genuinely believed this was going to be an international event festooned with the best that the Isle of Man has to offer, he should have called it K2 (last night's star).

Unless he's planning to plant some turf at Everest next time he's at the peak.

Anyway, I freely donate this slogan for the cause:

The Greatest Show on Turf.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_Limit


Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Mar-26, 10:26 PM
Auth where is the thread on the 2017 Melbourne Cup that you are talking so much about?? I can't find it and it never comes to the top of the heap?? what am I missing?? you do say some silly things to make your ridiculous point....even resorting to telling porkies
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: tontonan on 2017-Mar-26, 11:50 PM
Click FORUM on the top menu then come down seven threads...Melbourne Cup board
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Mar-27, 12:13 AM
You're kidding me? Authorized calls that a discussion on the 2017 Melbourne Cup?? about 3 or 4 comments and the last 4 months ago?? Gimme a break
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Mar-27, 04:40 PM
Take the internationals out of that market (and will be surprised if any come, seeing there are none for The Championships despite years of promotion) and it is pretty much the same market as the T.J Smith.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2017-Mar-29, 10:36 PM
Slots all sold and according to the SMH the "owners" are

Damion Flower, James Harron, Max Whitby, Greg Ingham with Chautauqua, Yulong Investments with She Will Reign, Aquis with Houtzen, Chris Waller Racing, Coolmore Stud, The Star, TAB, Inglis, ATC
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: fours on 2017-Mar-29, 11:07 PM
Hmmm,

Also looks like a nice way for the rich to get a share of a good horses prize money that they don't own or train....

Fours
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Mar-30, 11:14 AM
Slots all sold and according to the SMH the "owners" are

Damion Flower, James Harron, Max Whitby, Greg Ingham with Chautauqua, Yulong Investments with She Will Reign, Aquis with Houtzen, Chris Waller Racing, Coolmore Stud, The Star, TAB, Inglis, ATC

Can someone tell me who or what these people are? ( could google..).
And the ATC bought a share in their own race?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: philby42 on 2017-Mar-30, 11:22 AM
Tabcorp chief operating officer for wagering and media, Craig Nugent, confirmed the TAB's involvement.

"We're delighted to have secured a spot in such a new and exciting race. We're working through how we'll use our slot, including looking at ways we can involve our customers and best promote NSW Racing," he said.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Mar-30, 12:13 PM
I thought I heard it reported that they only needed to sell 12 but that is not the field limit?.....any truth in that??
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Mar-30, 01:26 PM
I thought I heard it reported that they only needed to sell 12 but that is not the field limit?.....any truth in that??

Yes that is what they said initially. Does the ATC buying a slot in their own race to sell out the slots count as interest?

While the initial concept is for 12 runners, Racing NSW and the ATC are prepared to extend the field if the interest is there, with the additional entry fees to be added to the purse.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Mar-30, 01:30 PM
at the moment they are paying down to 12th aren't they?? so what happens if the finish with 16 or 18 runners?...............
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: j.r.b. on 2017-Mar-30, 04:20 PM
Can someone tell me who or what these people are? ( could google..).
And the ATC bought a share in their own race?

Damion Flower - owned Snitzel and several others; no visible means of support.
James Harron - well known bloodstock agent.
Max Whitby - huge owner; had Scarlett Lady amongst others; also owns/owned a piece of Savabeel.
Greg Ingham - self explanatory.
Yulong Investments - Chinese; huge investor at sales in recent years.
Aquis - Huge investor in recent years; Aquis Farm in Qld.
Chris Waller Racing - self explanatory.
Coolmore - self explanatory
The Star - Casino
TAB - TAB
Inglis - Inglis
ATC - Australian Turf Club.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: tontonan on 2017-Mar-30, 04:31 PM
Isn't Max Whitby also an ATC committeeman ?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2017-Mar-30, 05:41 PM
Isn't Max Whitby also an ATC committeeman ?

No.

May have been in the past but not now
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: tontonan on 2017-Mar-30, 05:53 PM
You're right. 

He was on the ATC committee at the time of the merger - he was with the STC.  Retired after 12 months service post merger.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Mar-30, 08:04 PM
You're kidding me? Authorized calls that a discussion on the 2017 Melbourne Cup?? about 3 or 4 comments and the last 4 months ago?? Gimme a break

ave

Unless they've changed it the Melb Cup is on in November and it's now March.

Doubt that the 2017 Cup discussion is at fevour pitch anywhere.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Mar-30, 08:44 PM
WTF is wrong with you people?? why are you spending so much time discussing what at the moment is still a fantasy race is still 7 months in the future??......when there are real races on Tonight and Tomorrow?? pure gossip and nothing more.....get a life

Well Dave I can we can hold more than one conversation at a time.

I like discussing a fantasy 2 mile race in November as well.

Unless they've changed it the Melb Cup is on in November and it's now March.

Doubt that the 2017 Cup discussion is at fevour pitch anywhere.


JWH above was a comment I made about The Everest

Below was a reply from Authorized

and below that is a comment from you

my question in reply to your comment is when is the Everest run??

by the was my name is DAVE....not AVE!  :lol:


Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Mar-31, 08:52 PM
Well looks like the big race is going ahead in spite of claims earlier on in this thread (and in the news articles attached) that they wouldn't get a full field. Bruce Clark was getting one of the owners of Chautauqua to bag the race, and suggesting it wouldn't start. Looks like it is the second horse in.

Do any of these people who are so quick to speak such crap before the event ever become accountable for their words?

Or do we do like all good media people do - move on to the next piece of exaggerated, negative garbage forgetting that we probably should apologize for being  wrong.  :nowink:

All going well, this October has the potential to be one of the most memorable months ever on the Australian racing calendar. Looking forward to it very much   emthup
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: turfdeli on 2017-Mar-31, 09:20 PM
See the field running in the T.J Smith tomorrow - that is The Everest, save maybe 1-2 three year olds.  So no need to wait till October!

Check back in Oct and let's see how we go. Would love to see Voodoo Lad take his rightful place as Australia's highest ever prize money earner.

CHAUTAUQUA   
MALAGUERRA
TERRAVISTA
REBEL DANE
JAPONISME
FELL SWOOP
SPIETH (NZ)
VOODOO LAD
ROCK MAGIC
TARGET IN SIGHT   
TIVACI
ENGLISH
ASTERN   
RUSSIAN REVOLUTION
DERRYN
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Jeunes on 2017-Apr-11, 11:15 PM
Sydney's new race day to overshadow Melbourne Cup carnival

 
Patrick Bartley

The head of Racing New South Wales Peter V'landys says he is unrepentant at the prospect of one of Victoria's most important racing days, the Caulfield Guineas meeting, losing its Australia-wide prestige due to a lavish meeting being planned for the same day in Sydney.
With feelings between Sydney and Melbourne racing executives already strained, V'landys defended his stand on building New South Wales' October 14 meeting into a world class day.



Peter V'landys is going full steam ahead with the plan for a big meeting in Sydney that will clash with Caulfield Guineas day.  Photo: Getty Images
V'landys said his sole aim was to present the best racing product he could for the NSW industry.
"The last time I looked, I wasn't being paid by Victorian Racing, I'm paid by NSW and I'm just doing my job. My Job isn't and has never been working for Victoria.
"I don't think the president of the Collingwood Football Club would be ringing the president of the Carlton Football Club to tell them the new initiatives they're bringing in.
"We were thrilled with the outcome of the championships and equally thrilled with the response from the Everest and the early discussions on having the Craven Plate moved to October are all things we are looking at ,"  V'landys, said.


If the Craven Plate is moved from its position in September to October 14, it will directly rival the weight for age Caulfield Stakes run on the same day in Melbourne.
However the real impact will be that great race mare Winx could then remain in Sydney to run in the Craven Plate and only come to Melbourne for the Cox Plate, leaving Victorian racegoers only one opportunity of seeing the world's best race mare this spring.

The Caulfield Guineas, the $1 million three-year-old classic, and the rich weight-for-age Caulfield Stakes  now face being overshadowed by the richest race meeting in the southern hemisphere being run in Sydney.Traditionally, the Caulfield Guineas meeting is one of the most important venues in early spring, underpinning all of the Group One races going forward during Australia's richest carnival.However, NSW have announced that they will hold their $10 million Everest sprint race against the Caulfield Guineas.
As well, Sydney will stage the $750,000 Spring Champion Stakes in direct opposition to the Caulfield Guineas.

With Winx already being embraced by the Australian sporting public, combined with the Everest and three-year-old Spring Championship race all in one day, it will indeed take the shine off the  Caulfield Guineas meeting and the opening of the Victorian Spring Carnival.
Fairfax Media understand that senior Racing Victoria officials looked at creating a $1 million bonus to be paid for a horse to win the Caulfield Stakes, Cox Plate and Mackinnon Stakes, as a means of tempting Winx to Melbourne.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Apr-12, 12:17 AM
This is Tonto's idea - he mentioned it again only this week!!

I'm sure Peter V'Landys has pinched Tonto's idea. It is just too much of a co-incidence   :biggrin:

NSW dangle Craven carrot for Winx

"That's a possibility," V'landys told RSN 927's Racing Pulse on Tuesday, when asked whether the Craven Plate could become a Group 1 worth $500,000.

https://www.racing.com/news/2017-04-11/nsw-dangle-craven-carrot-for-winx
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2017-Apr-12, 09:28 AM
When this flashed up on my TV I thought I'd finally succumbed to delirium tremens.

Unfortunately it turns out I'm not the one who's insane.

V'landys and those barreling out our money to him need to be accessorised with straight-jackets.

Randwick under lights will be struggling to even attract moths.




The Everest (1200m) will be run at Randwick on Saturday, October 14 this year but V’landys revealed a desire to host the annual $10 million race on Friday nights in the coming years.


“We want to present racing in a different way for that big race,” he said.

“It is going to be our chance to attract a younger audience and going on a Friday night under lights is a big part of that plan. We have an excellent working relationship with the ATC as partners and we are working with them to get the lights at Randwick as soon as possible.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/nsw-racing/the-everest-to-lure-foreign-raiders-as-the-championships-targets-golden-slipper/news-story/a3c467c67002dfc1e4299d61fe196ad0
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: dean on 2017-Apr-12, 10:13 AM
In other words he wants to organize another piss up.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Jun-04, 07:57 PM
BREAKING NEWS - Caravaggio, could be heading for October's $10 million Everest at Randwick in Australia.

If you have not heard of him, He IS the best sprinter on the planet.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jun-04, 08:20 PM
BREAKING NEWS - Caravaggio, could be heading for October's $10 million Everest at Randwick in Australia.

If you have not heard of him, He IS the best sprinter on the planet.

i thought you liked ratings ?

CHAUTAUQUA is rated 122 , what is caravaggio's rating ?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Jun-04, 08:26 PM
116 with a bullet.

Be tuned in on the 23rd of June to see the next big thing.


Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Jun-04, 08:28 PM
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jun-04, 09:08 PM
what was the ground rating ?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2017-Jun-04, 10:03 PM
That day it was soft.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-05, 08:33 AM
If it was only a soft track the time looks pretty poor. what's the race record?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Jun-21, 04:38 PM
Whether people like the concept of not it is getting and airing in all the right circles.

Lady Aurelia is an outside chance of coming down for the race.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-21, 04:47 PM
No way will she come according to the trainer. Someone needs to harass the owners  :lol:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2017-Jun-21, 05:56 PM
One of the owners did contradict the trainer in that he said they would look at closely
but I agree it is unlikely she will come.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Jun-24, 12:53 AM
i thought you liked ratings ?

CHAUTAUQUA is rated 122 , what is caravaggio's rating ?

I hope you stayed up to watch.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Jun-24, 01:07 AM
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jun-24, 08:55 AM
From racing.com

Dale Swoops on Everest berth

Canberra sprinter Fell Swoop has been rewarded for his Group 1 consistency over the past two seasons with a spot in October's $10 million The Everest after auctioneers Inglis confirmed on Friday he will take up their slot.

Fell Swoop, who is trained by Matthew Dale, has five times been G1-placed in feature sprints, including in the past two T.J. Smiths at Randwick.

Fell Swoop is a graduate of Inglis' Classic Yearling sale, having fetched $45,000 in 2013.

Other sprinters to have been confirmed as runners are Chautauqua (slot holder is part-owner Greg Ingham), Golden Slipper Stakes winner She Will Reign (Yulong Investments) and Magic Millions winner Houtzen (Aquis Farm).

https://www.racing.com/news/2017-06-23/dale-swoops-on-everest-berth
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jun-24, 08:57 AM
From racing.com

Everest aim for Ascot star Caravaggio

A trio of highly-regarded sprinters had dominated the build-up to the Group 1 Commonwealth Cup and all of them combined for another Royal Ascot spectacle to remember.

While Thursday’s Gold Cup produced a protracted duel between old Australian favourite Big Orange and Lloyd Williams’ Order Of St George, this 1200-metre speed-fest turned out to be equally as exciting as Aidan O’Brien’s Caravaggio took his unbeaten record to six by lowering the Godolphin blue colours of Harry Angel and Blue Point.

The most mouthwatering prospect was the suggestion from O’Brien that the Coolmore group are strongly considering putting Caravaggio forward to use their share in the inaugural $10 million Everest at Randwick on October 14.

Caravaggio had blitzed the field in the Group 2 Coventry Stakes (1200m) at last year’s meeting before following up in the Keeneland Phoenix Stakes. As his only other appearance had been in a minor warm-up event at home in Ireland, he had to prove it against two other three-year-old colts who had looked of the top order earlier in the season.

How he did prove it, with Harry Angel, new holder of the track record at Haydock, firing out of the gates and setting the pace under Adam Kirby with Blue Point waiting in the wings.

Ryan Moore had work to do on Caravaggio when he moved to the right at the 200m but his mount lurched faster still, powering past the other two and winning by three-quarters of a length.

“He is very quick,” said O’Brien. “I would be happier at two furlongs than six! He is the fastest horse we have ever had, without doubt."

He continued: "He was just ready for his next step today. The lads (Coolmore partners) had it in their mind to come here and then maybe somewhere like the July Cup and then somewhere else after that.

"The lads have a plan in their mind that he might go to Australia for the Everest, so we have to be very conscious now if we want him to last for the autumn.

https://www.racing.com/news/2017-06-24/everest-aim-for-ascot-star-caravaggio
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-27, 04:42 PM
Who's the 2nd best American sprinter?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Jul-06, 08:50 AM
BRENDAN CORMICK
Racing writerMelbourne


An announcement will be made today revealing the enhancements to Australia’s richest raceday at Randwick on October 14 and the Sydney spring carnival as The Everest continues to take shape.

It is expected more than $1 million will be added to a variety of races forming stepping stones to the new $10m sweepstakes for sprinters. The much-touted Craven Plate increase from $175,000 to $500,000 — anticipated to provide Winx with a final Cox Plate lead-up in her home state — will be confirmed.

Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys always anticipated The Everest would stimulate plenty of discussion and publicity, but it has exceeded his expectations.

“The Everest is exceeding everyone’s expectations. The publicity it is receiving is unprecedented, not only in Australia but internationally,” V’landys said. “At Ascot, the talk was all about The Everest and (Australian jockey) Blake Shinn has done a tremendous job with The Everest all over his breeches while riding for Wesley Ward, a trainer we’re trying to attract, in the United States.

“We are going to have some surprises ahead that will even take it to a higher level.”

V’landys added that the inquiries from the connections of international candidates outweighed the number of slots available.

“We’ve been inundated with requests to reopen and extend the selling of slots but we won’t be doing that,” V’landys explained. “We have had people prepared to pay even higher amounts than originally asked to buy a slot, but we’re leaving it at 12 slots. Our aim is to make it worth $15 million within three years and we want to grow it to $20 million at some point. This is only the start.”

Half the field has been tentatively finalised, with several more to be confirmed in the next month.

The TAB has this week locked in English to run for 10 lucky customers, who will enjoy the raceday experience with the Kelly family who own the mare.

Australian Turf Club chief executive Darren Pearce was thrilled to have English join the horses that finished each side of her in the past two Group I TJ Smith Stakes — Chautauqua and Fell Swoop.

The ATC own a slot and have received 25 applications from those associated with local and overseas gallopers. They will announce the horse they align with by the end of this month.

“Most of the horses are well known to us. Some of the internationals we need to understand a little more about their history and suitability,” Pearce said. “There are also a few up and comers that have been put into the mix by trainers that haven’t got to that superior racing level but have the potential. We’ll work out our shortlist and then pick the horse that best helps us promote the race. It is tremendous to pull together the Golden Slipper winner and the Magic Millions winner with the TJ Smith trifecta and a Royal Ascot winner from just what we know now.”

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2017-Jul-06, 02:54 PM
From racing NSW

   
The Everest Highlights A Revitalised Spring Carnival
 

Sydney’s plans for a blockbuster global racing and entertainment event – the world’s richest race on turf, the $10 million The Everest – has received a further boost with Racing NSW and the Australian Turf Club today unveiling major improvements to Sydney’s spring racing program.

The Everest will be the highlight of a revitalised Sydney Spring Carnival which features important enhancements to the program for three-year-old and middle distance weight-for-age races. The sprinting program leading into The Everest has also been enhanced and the staying program boosted with the ATC St Leger being revived and added to The Everest Day.
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In addition to The Everest, prizemoney will be boosted by close to $2 million for the 2017 Sydney Spring Carnival which will now offer more than $22.5 million in stakes from Saturday 9 September to Saturday, 14 October 2017.

These changes support Racing NSW and Australian Turf Club’s strategy to develop The Everest and Spring Carnival into a world recognised event. The Everest race meeting on 14 October 2017 will now become Australia’s richest raceday, featuring the world’s richest race on turf.

“Saturday October 14 will be an historic event for thoroughbred racing in Australia and will reinforce Sydney’s positon as a leading global event city,” said Racing NSW Chairman, Mr Russell Balding AO.

“The Everest is creating unprecedented interest both inside and outside racing, from within Australia and internationally. It is timely to modernise and strengthen the racing program during the spring in Sydney,” Mr Russell Balding added.

Australian Turf Club Chairman, Laurie Macri said: “The Sydney Spring Carnival continues to deliver racing of the highest quality and these program improvements will provide enhanced opportunities for connections with horses in sprinting, middle distance and staying categories.

“The revised three-year-old program in particular is very exciting as it presents a more streamlined pathway towards the Group 1 De Bortoli Wines Golden Rose. This also allows a better progression for three-year-old sprinter-milers aimed at feature races in Melbourne later in spring,” Mr Macri added.

The programming changes will deliver four consecutive weeks of Group One racing at Rosehill Gardens and Royal Randwick leading into The Everest race meeting on 14 October 2017. The changes are summarised below with the full details of changes attached to this media release.

Three-Year-Olds
The centrepiece of a modernised program for three-year-olds sees the Group One $1 million De Bortoli Wines Golden Rose staged a fortnight later at Rosehill Gardens on 23 September, providing a streamlined pathway for three-year-olds aiming at shorter distance races.

The Group 2 Stan Fox Stakes on 9 September swaps dates with the De Bortoli Wines Golden Rose in a more structured program for horses increasing in distance towards the Group 1 Moët & Chandon Spring Champion Stakes.

The set-weight and penalty scale for the Group 3 San Domenico Stakes and Group 2 Run to the Rose have been amended to ensure more balanced conditions. The Group 2 Roman Consul Stakes (1200m) will be held on Spring Champion Stakes Day, 7 October 2017.

Middle-distance Weight-for-age races
The middle-distance program has been revamped to provide for a progression of three weight-for-age races from 1600m to 2000m, commencing with the Group 1 Colgate Optic White George Main Stakes (1600m) on 16 September 2017. The Group 2 Hill Stakes will now be run over 1800m on 30 September 2017, with the pathway of weight-for-age races culminating with the Group 3 Craven Plate (2000m) being held on The Everest program.

Prizemoney for both the Hill Stakes and Craven Plate has been increased to $500,000, matching that of the Colgate Optic White George Main Stakes.

Sprinting program
The Listed City Tatts Lightning will be added to the program on Everest Day to be run at 1200m under weight-for-age conditions. The prizemoney for the race has been increased to $500,000 and will be a strong support race on the program as well as providing emergency runners for The Everest.

The Group 2 Premiere Stakes (1200m) – as a key lead-in race for The Everest on 30 September 2017 – has had its prizemoney significantly elevated to $500,000.

Finally, the set-weights and penalty conditions of the Group 2 The Shorts (1100m) on 16 September 2017 will be amended to be less punitive on well-performed horses.

ATC St Leger revival
The program for The Everest Day will be boosted by revival of the ATC St Leger. The race will be added to that program and be run over 2600m at set-weights and penalty conditions for prizemoney of $500,000.

Anniversary Highway
With The Everest race meeting coinciding with the launch of Highway races in mid-October 2015, the meeting will also feature the Anniversary Highway carrying prizemoney of $200,000.

The Everest race meeting
The Everest Day’s racing will include the City Tatts Lightning (1200m) and St Leger (2600m). In addition to the races outlined above, the program will also feature the Listed Reginald Allen Quality (1400m) for three-year-old fillies and a feature race for two-year-olds.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Jul-06, 03:07 PM
From racing NSW

   

ATC St Leger revival
The program for The Everest Day will be boosted by revival of the ATC St Leger. The race will be added to that program and be run over 2600m at set-weights and penalty conditions for prizemoney of $500,000.



Who do they hope to attract to this ?

You have the Metropolitan the week before, The Caulfield Cup the week after with also the City Tattersalls Club Cup.

Perhaps it will suit Lloyd Williams fresh approach, giving him 3 and a bit weeks to the Melbourne Cup.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Jul-07, 05:25 PM
"We’ve been inundated with requests to reopen and extend the selling of slots but we won’t be doing that,” V’landys explained. “We have had people prepared to pay even higher amounts than originally asked to buy a slot, but we’re leaving it at 12 slots"

If the above quote is true why not run Everest A and Everest B..........Everest B would be self funding, maybe a little less prizemoney i.e. the $7.2mil.....or whatever the field size was....if only 8 runners it would be $4.8mill.....if 18 runners it would be $10.8mill?.....give more owners a shot at the big bucks!!.....it wouldn't cost RNSW a cent
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Jul-16, 02:02 AM
No interest in The Everest now.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jul-16, 09:40 AM
No interest in The Everest now.
True this although according to Sky the whole world is talking about The Everest.

It can retain some international credibility if Bryce and Spieth can get their acts together though. 

They are Kiwis, you know.
            ;)
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jul-16, 09:40 AM
Looked like a good run still. interested to  see the sectionals
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jul-16, 10:08 AM
No interest in The Everest now.

What an odd bod you are, Auth. :/

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Jul-17, 09:40 AM
Everest credibility to hinge on Caravaggio

MATT STEWART

SYDNEY’S desperate bid to lure international runners for its Everest slot race may have suffered a terminal blow in England early yesterday.

Its major and probably sole target, Irish star Caravaggio, ran fourth in the July Cup at Newmarket as a raging evenmoney favourite.

Caravaggio is the $8 second favourite with Golden Slipper winner She Will Reign in TAB markets for the October 14 Everest. Chautauqua is the $4.60 favourite.

Trainer Aidan O’Brien did not rule out an Everest bid after the defeat, but pre-race suggestions were that only a win would make a trip to Sydney more than a possibility.

In what could be an ironic twist in racing’s border war, Racing Victoria will have a scout in England this week who will meet O’Brien in a bid to lure Caravaggio for the Darley Classic at Flemington in Cup week.

Everest uncertainty over Caravaggio comes as Sydney scrambles to create a $3 million quarantine facility at Canterbury racecourse, including an artificial training track.

That announcement angered some trainers in Sydney, including Clarry Conners, who said millions spent to create a facility for internationals — who might not come — should be used to upgrade other racetracks.

Canterbury is likely to be sold for residential development by 2021, putting a use-by date on the upgrade.

Racing NSW has dismissed claims the upgrade would be anything more than a hopeful Everest carrot, saying locals would be able to use it for trackwork and trials.

If Caravaggio did come, connections would have to pay at least $150,000 to fly him out, or have the cost subsidised by the Australian Turf Club.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-17, 09:55 AM
Everest credibility to hinge on Caravaggio

MATT STEWART

SYDNEY’S desperate bid to lure international runners for its Everest slot race may have suffered a terminal blow in England early yesterday.

Its major and probably sole target, Irish star Caravaggio, ran fourth in the July Cup at Newmarket as a raging evenmoney favourite.

Caravaggio is the $8 second favourite with Golden Slipper winner She Will Reign in TAB markets for the October 14 Everest. Chautauqua is the $4.60 favourite.

Trainer Aidan O’Brien did not rule out an Everest bid after the defeat, but pre-race suggestions were that only a win would make a trip to Sydney more than a possibility.

In what could be an ironic twist in racing’s border war, Racing Victoria will have a scout in England this week who will meet O’Brien in a bid to lure Caravaggio for the Darley Classic at Flemington in Cup week.

Everest uncertainty over Caravaggio comes as Sydney scrambles to create a $3 million quarantine facility at Canterbury racecourse, including an artificial training track.

That announcement angered some trainers in Sydney, including Clarry Conners, who said millions spent to create a facility for internationals — who might not come — should be used to upgrade other racetracks.

Canterbury is likely to be sold for residential development by 2021, putting a use-by date on the upgrade.

Racing NSW has dismissed claims the upgrade would be anything more than a hopeful Everest carrot, saying locals would be able to use it for trackwork and trials.

If Caravaggio did come, connections would have to pay at least $150,000 to fly him out, or have the cost subsidised by the Australian Turf Club.

The Melbourne racing media are really pissed at The Everest

Really? Matt Stewart again  :sleep:

Is there ever any original thought that comes out of Victorian racing journalism any more?

Or are they all required to toe the authoritarian line set out for them by the powers that be lest they lose their press passes?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Authorized on 2017-Jul-17, 11:28 AM
The boss of Caulfield is rather pissed off.

I suspect the new St Leger will attract a few internationals as well as possibly Lloyds seriously classy stayers depending on the weight structure of the race.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2017-Jul-17, 01:45 PM
Apart from anything else didn't Caulfield change the date of the 1000 guineas from last year so that

it was virtually impossible for a filly to run in both the Flight and the guineas?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Jul-17, 02:04 PM


Is there ever any original thought that comes out of Victorian racing journalism any more?

Or are they all required to toe the authoritarian line set out for them by the powers that be lest they lose their press passes?

Is the Sydney media any different ?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jul-17, 05:43 PM
Is the Sydney media any different ?

Bubba, up here you don't see the media death riding Melbourne racing.

We celebrate the Spring carnival as much as Victoria would. I've been a critic of the Everest but that article is just poo from Stewart.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Jul-17, 06:23 PM
While Matt Stewart's desire for a story can get a bit tiresome, the commentators on RSN do seem to be prepared to discuss difficult issues.

If Clarry Conners was indeed angry who could he go to in the Sydney press.

Even Chris Roots looks like he has a gig on Sky and he works for a newspaper that describes itself as" independent always"
That probably puts every Sydney journalist on Sky's payroll and under the thumb of Racing NSW.

Did get a bit of a chuckle the other day on Sky Radio.
When A Cavallo was asked about the chances of his mount Crim that day, he noted what an apt name for a racehorse in this business.
Everybody's pal Coshee nearly choked, but RNSW, you can only control  some of the people, some of the time.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jul-17, 07:26 PM
Why are the HK horses not in the picture for the race?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-17, 09:16 PM
While Matt Stewart's desire for a story can get a bit tiresome, the commentators on RSN do seem to be prepared to discuss difficult issues.

If Clarry Conners was indeed angry who could he go to in the Sydney press.

Even Chris Roots looks like he has a gig on Sky and he works for a newspaper that describes itself as" independent always"
That probably puts every Sydney journalist on Sky's payroll and under the thumb of Racing NSW.

Did get a bit of a chuckle the other day on Sky Radio.
When A Cavallo was asked about the chances of his mount Crim that day, he noted what an apt name for a racehorse in this business.
Everybody's pal Coshee nearly choked, but RNSW, you can only control  some of the people, some of the time.

Hey mate. I dont listen to RSN.

You say they discuss the "difficult issues".

Any discussion on the truckload of Victorian money going over the border to SA?

Any of the press questioning why the deal is all hush hush?

Patrick Bartley was the only one brave enough to point out that racing.com will be promoting corporate betting on SA racing for which RVL gets zero return.

 That I saw anyway. Maybe RSN did as well and I didn't see it.

Anyone questioning why the stakeholders aren't being told how much of their money went out the door?

And while we are on the difficult issues...

Anyone on RSN discussing the miserable state of the Flemington track?

Anyone who is a serious punter knows that Flemington is "off" and has been for some time now.  Whole books have been written on Eagle Farm but I had more confidence betting there than
 at Flemington.

Did they discuss the "greyhound racing" conducted at Caulfield last Saturday with the rail out 10m?

Just askin   :biggrin:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Jul-17, 11:42 PM
Boooooooriiiing, I am losing interest in it too :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-18, 11:19 AM
Boooooooriiiing, I am losing interest in it too :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

The anticipated clash of Chautauqua and She Will Reign is enough to sell The Everest, which is Australia's richest race now. Fitting it should be a sprint held over 1200m at Royal Randwick.

Remind me Dave. What are we looking forward to in this year's Melbourne Cup? At the top of the market we have Red Cardinal, Francis Of Assisi and Albert.

Wow. Can hardly wait for that mouth watering clash :sleep:

Apart from Authorized, I doubt many have even heard of these. Whereas if you asked the Australian horse racing follower who Chautauqua and She Will Reign were they would probably laugh at the question.

The Melbourne Cup has lost it's identity by having anonymous (to Australian racing fans) horses. There is no anticipation any more.

Sure. They make big bucks selling the idea of "the great handicap" to the champagne guzzling non-punting public once a year.

But the people who post here are the ones who lose out. No longer do we get excited as Caulfield Cup approaches. Hell the MRC even wants to make it WFA.

Chatauqua and She Will Reign are "interesting" .Albert? Who the  :censored:  is Albert?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: specialweek2 on 2017-Jul-18, 11:46 AM
The anticipated clash of Chautauqua and She Will Reign is enough to sell The Everest, which is Australia's richest race now. Fitting it should be a sprint held over 1200m at Royal Randwick.

Remind me Dave. What are we looking forward to in this year's Melbourne Cup? At the top of the market we have Red Cardinal, Francis Of Assisi and Albert.

Wow. Can hardly wait for that mouth watering clash :sleep:

Apart from Authorized, I doubt many have even heard of these. Whereas if you asked the Australian horse racing follower who Chautauqua and She Will Reign were they would probably laugh at the question.

The Melbourne Cup has lost it's identity by having anonymous (to Australian racing fans) horses. There is no anticipation any more.

Sure. They make big bucks selling the idea of "the great handicap" to the champagne guzzling non-punting public once a year.

But the people who post here are the ones who lose out. No longer do we get excited as Caulfield Cup approaches. Hell the MRC even wants to make it WFA.

Chatauqua and She Will Reign are "interesting" .Albert? Who the  :censored:  is Albert?
Which markets have Albert?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jul-18, 11:49 AM
.Albert? Who the  :censored:  is Albert?


Isn't that Alice?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-18, 11:56 AM
Which markets have Albert?

TAB - 3rd favourite.

Cannot see him in Ladbrokes market.


(https://s24.postimg.org/7uds9smch/albert.png) (https://postimg.org/image/7uds9smch/)
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: specialweek2 on 2017-Jul-18, 11:58 AM
TAB - 3rd favourite.

Cannot see him in Ladbrokes market.


(https://s24.postimg.org/7uds9smch/albert.png) (https://postimg.org/image/7uds9smch/)
He was on bet365, is that tabcorp market?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-18, 12:04 PM
He was on bet365, is that tabcorp market?

Yes.

tab.com.au - Menu/Racing/Futures

Should we have something on it   :lol:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: specialweek2 on 2017-Jul-18, 12:05 PM
Yes.

tab.com.au - Menu/Racing/Futures

Should we have something on it    :lol:
Not before me.   :lol:
He may go and he may not.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Jul-18, 02:41 PM
RV chief calls on racing body to rein in NSW

MICHAEL MANLEY

RACING Victoria chief Giles Thompson has hit back at NSW counterpart Peter V’landys following his attack on Melbourne’s spring carnival.

Thompson, who backs the primacy of Racing Australia, has contacted the national body over concerns about Racing NSW’s changes to its spring carnival program.

V’landys said yesterday it was a case of every state for itself. He said the $10 million Everest slot race on October 14, and a series of weight-forage race changes in NSW, should be of no concern to racing’s national body.

“Like it or not, we are in competition,” V’landys said on RSN.

“Why should the incumbent state continue to have incumbency forever and ever and restrict other states from maximising their revenue? I don’t think it’s Racing Australia’s role to determine a state’s racing program.”

It was thought Racing NSW’s changes had to be ratified by RA. But that’s not the case, according to V’Landys.

He said RA was an administrative body that dealt with rules and not race programs.

V’landys said RA’s pattern committee, which is going to make recommendations on Racing NSW’s changes, was an advisory body. He hinted that if RA thought differently, the Trade Practices Commission might look at the situation.

“Racing Australia has never been a body which promotes a monopoly — we’ve got to ensure we’re squeaky clean when it comes to competition,” V’landys said.

Thompson said RV’s position was to respect RA’s pattern committee, which devises the national featurerace program.

“We were very disappointed to hear Peter’s comments on radio today regarding NSW’s view of the pattern and its role in the future,” Thompson said.

“We remain of the firm view that a lack of cohesion in the national pattern can only negatively impact the current and future interests of Australian racing both here and abroad.

Thompson said RV was talking with RA about several spring program changes proposed by NSW.

“We look forward to Racing Australia’s leadership on this matter to ensure that the national interests of the sport are protected. In the end, the losers will be the owners, trainers and jockeys who will have their earning capabilities compromised by programming clashes,” Thompson said.

michael.manley@news.com.au
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jul-18, 04:19 PM
PV should have just thrown it straight back at the Victorians saying it's a bit rich coming from them who have always shown contempt for the rest of the country.

Instead he's shown his own selfishness &  "stuff you Jack, I'm alright" mentality to shine through  emthdown
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-18, 04:27 PM
Bubba has posted a piece by a Victorian racing journalist who in the past has been credited as writing for The Herald Sun - a Victorian newspaper (just thought I'd add that because I've never heard of him and I'm sure a lot of people in other states probably haven't either).

The infantile stuff coming out of the Victorian Racing media - well I'm embarrassed for them  :shy:

This "non story" hardly gets a run in other states.

RVL needs to get rid of their siege mentality and start dealing with things in a more mature fashion instead of trying to boost the power of some quasi national body they set up a few years back and claim it is being attacked   :lol:

Or maybe better still, get rid of all the publicity  :censored: s that have infected it and concentrate on doing the best job in the interests of Victorian racing participants, including their country ones - which is what they are supposed to do instead of chucking money down black holes. e.g. scaling back Victorian country racing while promoting South Australian racing.

Where are the full accounts for racing.com so we can see how they are really faring? How much advertising revenue are they getting and how much is this off-setting the costs? How many people are really watching? Why doesn't Kerry Stokes let Oztam publish racing.com's ratings? How much did they pay for the TV rights for Racing SA? Where is the business model that will show that money will provide a return to the Victorian racing stakeholder? How is racing.com an improvement over that dog TVN? Why are they coming out in public implying that all increases in wagering revenue are due to racing.com when we all know full well if Sky pulled the plug on Sky Racing their wagering revenue would drop around 20% as it did in the past.

A nice way redirecting attention isn't it. "Hey! Look over there at Peter V'Landys!".

Rather than dealing with the "difficult issues", RSN seems to have become just another mouthpiece for the "empowered ones" in Melbourne who think they run the whole  :censored: ing joint - which they don't :no:

V’Landys says Sydney entitled to bigger share of spring; Vics don’t own it

“Why should the incumbent state continue to have incumbency forever and ever and restrict other states from maximising their revenue,” V’landys said on RSN radio’s Racing Pulse program on Monday.

“You need to have free trade. The competition we’ve introduced has paid dividends for participants in Victoria. Only last month there were significant prizemoney increases in Victoria, that’s fantastic.

“I’ve got to concede that possibly October 14 might not have been best date (for the Everest as it clashes with Caulfield Guineas Day in Melbourne) but ... in future years we are trying to run The Everest on Friday night.

V’landys said times have changed and he wouldn’t be upset if Racing Victoria beefed up their autumn carnival programming to compete against Sydney’s flagship event, The Championships.

“No I wouldn’t because I think competition improves everyone’s performance,” he said.

“The world has changed and the wagering landscape has changed and whether you like it or not, we are in competition.

“If a punter has a bet on Flemington and Racing Victoria gets the revenue then great but NSW misses out.

“You can’t have protectionism in 2017 as you did in 1997.

“You eat what you catch and if we don’t promote NSW racing we will lag behind for the next 10 years because our revenues will decline significantly.

“My job is to maximise the revenue for NSW racing and that’s exactly what I’m going to do.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/vlandys-says-sydney-entitled-to-bigger-share-of-spring-vics-dont-own-it/
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Jul-18, 05:02 PM
Michael Manley is one of the many resident horse racing journalists and form analysts with the Herald Sun newspaper. Manley provides tips for each race on the daily metroplolitan Melbourne race meeting card. In addition to the Herald Sun newspaper, Manley's tips are published in the sister newspaper, the Telegraph in Sydney and on the Super Racing website.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/vlandys-says-sydney-entitled-to-bigger-share-of-spring-vics-dont-own-it/

Who is Brad Davidson who wrote that article in the Telegraph ? I have never heard of him and I'm sure a lot of people might ask the same question.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jul-18, 05:31 PM
Herald-Sun, Telegraph.

Nuff said.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-18, 05:33 PM
Michael Manley is one of the many resident horse racing journalists and form analysts with the Herald Sun newspaper. Manley provides tips for each race on the daily metroplolitan Melbourne race meeting card. In addition to the Herald Sun newspaper, Manley's tips are published in the sister newspaper, the Telegraph in Sydney and on the Super Racing website.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/vlandys-says-sydney-entitled-to-bigger-share-of-spring-vics-dont-own-it/

Who is Brad Davidson who wrote that article in the Telegraph ? I have never heard of him and I'm sure a lot of people might ask the same question.

Brad is a racing journalist by day and a form analyst by night. He love​s​ a good yarn but ​his real passion is finding winners ​for the punters. ​He spends​ his days off watching race replays, trials and studying form and live​s​ by the mantra 'the harder you work, the luckier you get'.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/expert-tips

(being brutally honest Bubba, I may have came across his name from time to time but had to look this up).

Mate is there any article you can quote that is negative on The Everest that doesn't emanate from Victoria?

Like I mean it is getting pretty bloody obvious what is going on. The Melbourne racing media are a "parochially compliant" lot aren't they.

They have huge problems in their own back yard but seem to be mute when it comes to discussing them. The state of the Flemington track is a much, much bigger issue than a new 1200m race in Sydney I would have thought. The lack of transparency of racing.com. Integrity problems. RVL Board being sacked - geez imaging the Melbourne Press if this happened in NSW  :what:

Does RVL bully journalists into only writing "positive" articles about racing in their home state? (a genuine question).
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-18, 09:00 PM

Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber

............ there is a movie in all this ....... it will be a comic-tragedy.

After Rob Hines 'left' RVL, racing in Melbourne has lost caste so quickly it is beyond belief -- a promised new board, dedicated to fair-racing,  may balance things up pretty smartly.

In NSW the consequences of giving RNSW a windfall flow of easy money are there for all to see -- including a takeover bid for RVL as well as repeating the mistakes that RVL made in wrecking its racing.

RVL/VRC has made a mockery of the Cup by chasing international status for its promoters -- the bet lost big time.

RNSW is the new big bettor --fighting on both the spring and autumn fronts with very expensive races not living up to the hype.

...............attacking Moscow and climbing Everest..............are both plays for the dare to be great.

The situation is now a circus with too many clowns colliding with each other -- excessive use of the slapstick.

The winner will be the administrators that focus on Australia, run fair races all year round, and let the better local horses do the talking overseas.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-18, 10:17 PM


What complete and utter tripe from an abjectly failed administrative body -- so openly exposed for incompetence

"We remain in dialogue with Racing Australia regarding several of the Spring programming changes proposed by New South Wales and we look forward to Racing Australia's leadership on this matter to ensure that the national interests of the sport are protected."

.........where is the 'new' RVL board ........ help is at hand........... sadly, addicts are addicted to MN racing and are unwilling to give up the fix.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-18, 10:43 PM


...............other observers of this  Spy v. Spy farrago are also prone to say a few words:

https://racingbitch.wordpress.com/2017/07/18/peter-vlandys-and-horse-racings-own-game-of-thrones/#more-28552
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-18, 11:08 PM

...............other observers of this  Spy v. Spy farrago are also prone to say a few words:

https://racingbitch.wordpress.com/2017/07/18/peter-vlandys-and-horse-racings-own-game-of-thrones/#more-28552

The Racing Bitch shows the Racing bitch's true colours:

"As for racing in Victoria, and it hurts to say it, but with only smoke and mirrors giving the impression that there really are people in charge of running racing over there, it really is a shambles."

Why would it "hurt to say it"?

This is typical of the Victorian media and their failure to "ask the hard questions". They will go hard at V'Landys but when it comes to their own? It is "hard to say it".

This is why there is no solution in sight to fixing up Flemington - because the sychophant Victorian Racing media are too scared to question their own racing authorities.

This situation of intimidation seems so strong that you cannot even attend a Victorian country meeting and criticize the sausage sandwiches without being hauled before the stewards. Remember Manny Gelagotis daring to say something about his horse not being scratched at the barrier after being injured?

Racing Bitch doesn't even read his/her own quotations. Goes to all the trouble to quote John Messara saying it backs the need for a national body and inadvertently highlights the arrogant act of RVL in demanding 30 minutes between races for all races 7 days a week. This was carried out without any consultation with any of their own clubs let alone interstate clubs, and is singularly a reason why RVL should never have any say in the operations of a national body. Too arrogant. Clubs jacked up and RVL had to back down and change the race times back for weekend metropolitan.

Of course they got a free walk from their sycophant media over that one. Imagine the whinging from the southern media if Racing NSW and V'Landys did this?

National body needed? Probably.

Run it out of Melbourne? No  :censored: ing way Jack. And especially not after this latest crap.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jul-18, 11:54 PM
I just looked up the definition of EGO.

EGO and it stated, "State based Racing Authorities".

Racing is lining itself up to self destruct over the next 10 years in Australia if critical changes are not made.

Sure every state wants to capitalize on the best weather to run their major carnivals and that makes logical sense.

A National Controlling Body is required and their primary role would be to maximize each States major carnivals and not allow massive EGO's to get in the way.

The National Controlling Body would need to look at the length of each carnival. The Brisbane Winter Carnival is far too long in my opinion.

When you see the "one up-manship" that is taking place between VIC and NSW you must agree it's not healthy for the overall Racing Industry.

The clashing of major races in VIC and NSW that are mainly drawing from the same pool of quality horses will only result in small fields and limited interest going into the future.

I'm not criticizing increased prizemoney but when there is no consideration by states for the overall benefit of Owners and Trainers then eventually there will be only one outcome and that is burn out for quality horses and the decline in quality racing.

But I'm wasting my time and words because the forming of a National Controlling Body will never take place whilst the current EGO's continue within the various states.

 :rant:

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Peter Mair on 2017-Jul-20, 10:49 PM

Just who does this withering petal on the flower of Australian racing think he is:

Our frustration comes with a race like the Hill Stakes, which has been moved to be on the same weekend as the Underwood Stakes, and dropped from 2000m to 1800m.

"So on the Saturday you will have a Hill Stakes in Sydney for weight-for-age horses at 1800m and then on the Sunday we will have the Underwood in Melbourne, which is a weight-for-age race over 1800m.

"It dilutes the product and splits the pool of horses that both races are likely to attract."


Has he ever considered the punters that pay the freight -- the punters that are routinely exploited in Melbourne by racing over crowded fields -- the punters welcome competing races to split fields and would encourage the Melbourne greeders to split big fields into two races to give the punters a chance to see fair races allowing all starters a fair chance.

Only greeders want overcrowded race fields racing on crooked tracks to boost their turnover take -- cut it out!
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-21, 04:42 AM

Our frustration comes with a race like the Hill Stakes, which has been moved to be on the same weekend as the Underwood Stakes, and dropped from 2000m to 1800m.

"So on the Saturday you will have a Hill Stakes in Sydney for weight-for-age horses at 1800m and then on the Sunday we will have the Underwood in Melbourne, which is a weight-for-age race over 1800m.

"It dilutes the product and splits the pool of horses that both races are likely to attract."



The 2016 Hill stakes was run on the 17th September at Randwick and was won by Hartnell.

The 2016 Underwood was run 7 days later on the 24th September and was won by Black Heart Bart.

No horse ran in both races. So if the dates remained the same then there would be no difference.

They need to check their facts before using rubbish arguments like this. The quality of some of the criticisms is dubious to say the least.

As sobig noted befo

Apart from anything else didn't Caulfield change the date of the 1000 guineas from last year so that

it was virtually impossible for a filly to run in both the Flight and the guineas?

The MRC moved the Thousand Guineas back from it's traditional date so that it made it impossible for the Flight Stakes winner to start.

Where were all these journalists who are now up in arms back then. Why weren't they so upset then? Was there any journalist attacking the head of the MRC asking if the MRC had consulted Racing Australia before they made that move?

No. I remember that the attitude was "aw we need a national racing body for programming" which deflected any criticism of the MRC at the time.

A lot of hypocrisy and inaccurate claims that don't stand up to scrutiny.

And if the journalists weren't so up in arms and settled down and had a think about it (Everest run on the same day as the MRC carnival opener), there won't be that much difference anyhow.

Punters will not bet less on the big races just because there are more of them. How many people are going to go "Oh I like this horse in the Hill Stakes and  I like that horse in the Underwood but I'm only going to have a bet in one of the races".

Some of the stuff coming out of the Victorian media over this issue is fair dinkum infantile  :wacko:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2017-Jul-21, 11:55 AM
Opinion piece by Matt Stewart in Melbourne Herald Sun..

THE most alarming aspect of New South Wales’ encroachment into Victoria’s established carnival territory is not the aggressive self-interest, but what might happen next.
Take this border war, which is being waged most heavily by one side which reckons Victoria has no right to eternal top dog status, to greater heights and Australia’s carnival landscape could be turned on its head.
Dominant carnivals could take on different parameters. Sydney has fired the first shot across the Murray, creating a $10 million slot race to run on Caulfield Guineas Day, October 14.
Peter V'landys says it’s now a “catch and kill your own’’ battle for the punting dollar.
Melbourne may respond by encroaching into Sydney’s traditional time in the sun, in the autumn.
To do that, Victoria would have to push its spring back, deep into November, to allow reasonable space between its spring and autumn.
Such territory raids are not exaggerated war talk.
Racing chiefs, at Racing Victoria and other Melbourne clubs, have been convinced for some time that a later spring — and a Melbourne Cup run on the third Tuesday in November — would be a sensible use of warmer weather and vacant sporting space.
The NSW expansionism, albeit without OK’s from authorities NSW has chosen to ignore, and the haphazard creation of the Everest, has merely steeled Victorian resolve not just to innovate, but react.
A space and stake money war between our two most powerful states would make casualties of the states with smaller carnivals and no muscle.
A leading Melbourne administrator said he “feared’’ for the carnivals of Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane if Melbourne and Sydney upped the ante.
“Those states aren’t travelling particularly well. A later Melbourne spring would have a negative impact on Perth’s carnival; a battle between Melbourne and Sydney in autumn would make it hard for Adelaide to keep up. And Queensland’s already teetering for a variety of reasons,’’ he said.
The catalyst for war came in January, in Florida.
Within days of the running of the inaugural Pegasus World Cup, Sydney announced the Everest. Both were “slot’’ races where most of the funding came primarily from those who bought slots.
The Everest would be worth $10 million. The Australian Turf Club has sold its 12 slots at $600,000 each, leaving a $3.4 million shortfall it must fill. Because of the prizemoney breakdown of the race, eight of the 12 slot owners in “Australia’s richest race” will do their money.
Winx could bypass the Caulfield Stakes and remain in Sydney as she prepares for her second Cox Plate defence.
The race, which will lure champion horses and jockeys from Caulfield, has no sponsor and NSW will have to pay Channel 7 to cover it as part of Seven’s Guineas day coverage.
NSW is desperate for this $10 million catalyst for war to attract international runners — mainly because the autumn Championship’s banner race, the $4 million Queen Elizabeth Stakes has consistently failed to do so, to Sydney’s great embarrassment.
“So what do they do? Have another go at the internationals in the spring instead — on Caulfield Guineas Day,’’ said one administrator.
A belated realisation that Everest horses would not be able to share flights or quarantine with Melbourne-bound horses prompted NSW to announce last week that a $3 million polytrack would be built at Canterbury to make it a suitable quarantine venue.
Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys said last week that a gaggle of internationals were queuing to run in the Everest — which he says could be worth $20 million in three years — but only one international, the Coolmore-owned Caravaggio, is regarded as a possible starter.
Australian Turf Club chairman Laurie Macri has sung the praises of the controversial Canterbury upgrade — the track is likely to be sold off for housing by 2021 — and Macri was an unusual spruiker given he raced champion mare Atlantic Jewel with Coolmore. The ATC will fund the upgrade.
Those whose ears prick at perceived conflicts of interest would have been interested to hear Macri say that polytrack was Coolmore’s preferred surface, interested also that $3 million might be spent for a horse who might not come, at a track with a short life span.
Of Macri’s apparent conflict, an Aussie administrator who once held a major post overseas said: “Unbelievable. But also it’s not. It’s certainly different up there.’’
The Everest has been surrounded by huge prizemoney increases and date changes to other races. The Craven Stakes, also on October 14, has been bumped up to $500,000 and now clashes with the Caulfield Stakes. The Hill Stakes (Sydney) and Underwood (Melbourne) are near-identical and now a day apart.
The cynical view down south is that the Craven was upgraded to keep Winx in Sydney; a genuine October 14 attraction at Randwick on the day of the dubious slot race.
In defending his race war, Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys has dismissed the relevance of Racing Australia and the Pattern Committee — the body that advises on the placement of feature races — saying it’s not their role to monitor one state’s expansion, and said today’s wagering environment meant it was now “catch and kill your own’’ for the punting dollar.
Racing Australia, headed by former NSW premier Barry O’Farrell, has been asked by a number of media outlets to explain its role, or lack of, in assessing Racing NSW’s race changes but has been mute.
Racing Victoria says traditional checks and balances are there protect the established, successful flow of carnivals for the betterment of racing, not individual states.
RV’s Greg Carpenter said racing, as a sport, lacked the muscle to have its product — the good horses, mainly — torn between carnivals which have traditionally flowed from one to another.
Carpenter said that if V’Landys “view’’ dictated the future then “it is a defining moment in the history of the sport in Australia. Catch and kill your
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jul-21, 12:03 PM
So Vic racing determines their race times and intervals regardless of what other States might want. :boxing:

Vic stewards allow their races to satert even though a minute or twos delay might allow broadcast of another state's race delayed at the barrier :shoot2:


But when they want some teamwork it's all   :therethe :flowers:
   

As You Sow So Shall You Reap
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-21, 08:35 PM
Wow! Matt Stewart needs someone to pour a bucket of ice water over him. He's on fire!

In it he says "NSW is desperate".

The only desperation I can see is coming from south of the Murray with opinion pieces like that. Journalists like Stewart and the club and RVL officials feeding his anger no doubt are desperate to tell everyone they have the biggest dick, not NSW.

This is a non-story outside of Victoria. Hardly seen anything written about it.

What about the implied threats? They are going to encroach on the Sydney Autumn carnival as "punishment"   :lol:

How about they run a $25 million race over a mile at Flemington on Doncaster Day. That'll teach V'Landys a lesson he'll never forget  :boxing: - or failing that send someone up to shoot up his door at his house like happened with Terry Bailey.

We mock Queensland parochialism from time to time but they have nothing on the Victorian racing media.

Reality is, come Everest day, most of us will study the form for both Sydney and Melbourne and will have a bet on something if it takes our fancy. The anger about "perceived encroachments" will have abated and everyone will be talking about whether Chautauqua will beat She Will Reign in the Everest, how Winx is going to go (wherever she races) and who will win the Caulfield Guineas. It is what happens in spite of 10,000 word essays by angry journalists months before anything has happened.  :wacko:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jul-21, 08:46 PM

We mock Queensland parochialism from time to time but they have nothing on the Victorian racing media.


It's the "second brother syndrome"


Been saying it for years.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Jul-21, 09:05 PM
Who mocks Queensland parochialism ? Can't be those dummies from NSW with 3 times the population of Queensland who find it well nigh impossible to win a State of Origin series ? Gee they have been bellowing for years about G Inglis and have completely overlooked that one of their greatest players , Peter Sterling is a Queenslander. When that clown V'Landys and his stud master puppeteer can get an audience for their carnivals of maybe 25 % of what the VICs can then it might be time to throw their weight around. At present they are straight out failures and I guess they realize it.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: ratsack on 2017-Jul-21, 09:10 PM
Gee they have been bellowing for years about G Inglis and have completely overlooked that one of their greatest players , Peter Sterling is a Queenslander.

so Inglis considers himself a Queenslander all good
does Peter consider himself a Queenslander ?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-21, 09:19 PM
Who mocks Queensland parochialism ? Can't be those dummies from NSW with 3 times the population of Queensland who find it well nigh impossible to win a State of Origin series ? Gee they have been bellowing for years about G Inglis and have completely overlooked that one of their greatest players , Peter Sterling is a Queenslander. When that clown V'Landys and his stud master puppeteer can get an audience for their carnivals of maybe 25 % of what the VICs can then it might be time to throw their weight around. At present they are straight out failures and I guess they realize it.

Right on cue  :fishing:

Geoff calls it "second brother syndrome". I call it "inferiority complex"   :lol:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Jul-21, 09:44 PM
I call it Reality
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Jul-21, 09:49 PM
Actually Sterlo is on the record as saying that he would have had no problem being recognized as  a Queenslander. I guess that further illustrates  his class.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jul-21, 10:50 PM


This is why there is no solution in sight to fixing up Flemington - because the sychophant Victorian Racing media are too scared to question their own racing authorities.


Here you go PP

https://www.agcsa.com.au/node/352803

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jul-22, 12:01 AM
Here you go PP

https://www.agcsa.com.au/node/352803

Mate I am applying for the job of Chief Exec Country Racing NSW - do you reckon they would mind me looking after the Vic tracks at the same time   :lol:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2017-Oct-10, 06:11 PM
Firstly, what a great example of staying on topic.

Now, I still can't make sense of what The Everest is trying to achieve.

For example, what's the point of guaranteeing $175,000 to any runner bothering to turn up?

Seems to me the only reason is to artificially inflate the prize money so it hits $10 million.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Wenona on 2017-Oct-10, 10:14 PM
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Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: specialweek2 on 2017-Oct-11, 09:57 AM
Why is this thread chock with miscellaneous topics?
 
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: specialweek2 on 2017-Oct-11, 10:11 AM
ALBERT   Thoroughbred Horse (JPN) [2011]. Albert (JPN) is a horse born in 2011 by Admire Don out of Folklore, trained by the N Hori stable.
   
6yo ch h 01/01/2011 Admire Don (JPN) - Folklore (JPN) (Dance In The Dark (JPN))
Trainer   N Hori
   
Feature Nominations   Melbourne Cup 2017
Upcoming Races for Albert   7 Nov 17 FLEMINGTON Emirates Melbourne Cup 3200m 555
   
Comment   
 Prize$
     JPN   JPY¥277,714,000
 Wins   1800m, 2000m (2), 2400m (2), 3400m, 3600m (2)
 Career   8w (32%) - 4p (16%) - 25 starts
Any reason this is on this thread for example?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-11, 08:16 PM
Been on Vega & She Will Reign every start of their lives and luv the grey champ. What odds I pull the right rein  :lol:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: fours on 2017-Oct-11, 11:09 PM
hmmm,

Just how good is Deploy?

Not sure we know yet...

Fours
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2017-Oct-12, 08:45 AM
Imagine if 5 prominent owners bought 2 slots for $1,200,000.

Then selected their best 2 mounts at nomination time.

They be ahead if they only come at least 2nd for $1,425,000 + $175,00+

Or break even for 3rd + 4th for 800,000 + $400,000.

Which (ignoring slings) seems to be a good value bet.

But if it is that good,

Then the other 10 slots look like duds!

So who in their right mind would buy those dud slots!

Not Tabcorp obviously, as it fails the qualifying condition.


Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Oct-12, 12:22 PM
hmmm,

Just how good is Deploy?

Not sure we know yet...

Fours

Two track records say he's pretty good.

I'd underestimated him before these last two and for the life of me I couldn't understand why he wasn't in discussions for a slot  :shrug: Lo and behold the $21 gets smashed off and he's announced in the race.

Of course I didn't get any of the top odds  :shy:  :shutup:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Oct-12, 06:01 PM
 

A good sprint race yes,  but for me I'll be straight over to Caulfield to watch the Guineas.

Standby for some inflated betting figures though.
The latest TAB email is offering up to $105.00 back if your horse finishes 2nd or 3rd........the most ever.

Extraordinary advertising figures might not be factored in.
Full front page wrap in today's herald must have cost a fortune.

No doubt V'Landy's will put his spin on it all......but hard to believe much which comes from his mouth.
 
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-Oct-13, 07:39 AM
 * Perhaps the computer shows how hard it will be:
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VF140817 RW81410F * WMSPD ORD TNO [     9     13      3      5     15     16      6      1      7     12      2      8     11     10      4     ]  * ] BMVRS/W [  9 ENGLISH W% 2  5yo <. Dtl= 14 ] 13 IN HER TIME   5yo <. Dtl= 14 ] 3 REDZEL W% 47  5yo < --- . Dtl= 28 ] 15 TAKEDOWN W%   5yo <. Dtl= 14 ] ]*SPL*
VF140817 RW81410F * WMSPD RTG ORD [  998   998   990   988   984   978   976   974   968   960  954   942   939   912   827   ] IMPORTANT
VF140817 RW81410F * RQOD WMSPD RO [  12.2   12.2   14   14.6   15.5   17.1   17.6   18   19.5   22.8   25.9   33   35.7   74.9   520.7   ] IN WMSPD ORDER. $PRICE/1 CALCULATED RQD ODDS ON WT MODIFIED SPEED RATINGS *

* "Scientific Racegoing" ( Cohen & Stephens )  shows any horse within 3.0 of the top rated horse has the ability to be in contention.  On SPEED Ratings, this covers from 100.0 down to 97.0. On Weight Modified Speed Ratings, this covers from 99.8 down to 96.8. 
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: kicker on 2017-Oct-13, 08:21 AM
Great race and I reckon you'd be doing well to find a better sprint lineup in the last 20 years or more. Bloody hard to find the winner & one where you can make a case for almost every runner but I reckon English is over the odds and I'll have a bit on her.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: fours on 2017-Oct-13, 10:09 AM
Hmmmm,

Out of all the horses in waller's stable..... he ends up deploying another trainers horse.....

Fours
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Oct-13, 11:44 AM
PP you asked me a long while ago re the Melbourne Cup "What am I looking forward to?" I have only just read the question.........
The short answer is I agree 100% with your statement that the Cup has lost all significance to the Australian Punter and the Australian Public......
I have no anticipation for racing and am not looking forward to any particular race(or particular horse) in Australia anymore......

I still have a passion for the horse as the most noble species ever to take a breath, I still have a passion for the punt............but vested interests have ruined racing by turning it into their own personal cash cow.....but that is another story......

This year the Everest has a fairly even field, not a horse in the race I can't make some case for, I will most certainly be having a bet in it....in fact I will be backing up to 5 in the race.............I feel Chautaqua is on his pedestal purely because this is a fairly weak era, that is not to say he isn't very good and will take some beating, there are a lot of "very good" sprinters around........I feel the Everest will be ruined if ever a Black Caviar turns up.....who will pay $1.8mill for a ticket when the very best you can hope for is second?.........it will be a walkover!!

That is unless someone snaps up all the spots and locks "Black Caviar" out...........it could literally be a field of first starters or maidens.....the only qualification seems to be owning a spot.............This year it is (almost) the best 12 horse available.....but it doesn't have to be the best horses........Tulip running and In Her Time locked out is really all the proof you need of that (and Tulip is not hopeless)
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-13, 05:00 PM

Extraordinary advertising figures might not be factored in.
Full front page wrap in today's herald must have cost a fortune.

No doubt V'Landy's will put his spin on it all......but hard to believe much which comes from his mouth.

How do you expect them to promote the race, by doing nothing.

Good on them, 2 from pages is great
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-13, 05:03 PM
Great race and I reckon you'd be doing well to find a better sprint lineup in the last 20 years or more. .


 :thumbsup:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-Oct-14, 08:43 AM
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VF140817 RW81410F * WMSPD ORD TNO [     9      3      5      6      1      7     12      2      8     11     10      4     ]  * ] BMVRS/W [  9 ENGLISH W% 2  5yo <. Dtl= 14 ] 3 REDZEL W% 47  5yo < --- . Dtl= 28 ] 1 CHAUTAUQUA W  7yo < --- . Dtl= 14 ] ]*SPL*
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Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-14, 08:48 AM
Certainly seems the tab has hit gold with this great race

Already 150k in the win and  place pool. More than the total of the whole Melb meeting
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2017-Oct-14, 09:22 AM
She Will Reign has drifted away from near favouritism, but at $7.0/$2.4 I estimated its Expectation as $1,422,000.

Pretty healthy return for $600,000.

Trouble is the 30 battlers who own her have had to reach some arrangement from a Chinese billionaire, so I doubt they will see anywhere that expected figure.

They should have been smart enough to figure out they would have been massively better off buying their own slot direct, rather than getting into bed with a middleman.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: fours on 2017-Oct-14, 09:25 AM
Hmmm,

Hard luck stories will probably happen along with interference.

tend to favour the on pacers accordingly.

Cant go past Waller ignoring his entire stable for another trainers horse. This is a rare form pointer if not an insult to himself!

Fours
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Oct-14, 11:43 AM
She Will Reign has drifted away from near favouritism, but at $7.0/$2.4 I estimated its Expectation as $1,422,000.

Pretty healthy return for $600,000.

Trouble is the 30 battlers who own her have had to reach some arrangement from a Chinese billionaire, so I doubt they will see anywhere that expected figure.

They should have been smart enough to figure out they would have been massively better off buying their own slot direct, rather than getting into bed with a middleman.

It's been one of the things I've been uncomfortable about the concept all along.

Truely is a pissing contest for those with the most money to stand around and back slap each other whilst the the little bloke is cap in hand hoping to be given the nod.

If we'd put on a $1mill (or just for the top up between slot fees & the $10 mill) race over 1200m to all comers would we have a different field?
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: firezuki on 2017-Oct-14, 04:43 PM
Didn't take Chautauqua to the outside?  Would have gone very very close had he. 


 
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2017-Oct-14, 05:06 PM
Disagree there FZ.

He ran the last 600 in 32.98 while saving every bit of ground.

Had he come to the outside he would have covered too much ground to be a factor in my opinion.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-14, 05:21 PM
Turfdeli

Did you stick with Mighty Boss.
After having him in my black book for 3 runs I Sadly over rated the Sydney form and left him alone today :tears: :tears: :tears:
Hope you stuck :x:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-14, 05:22 PM
Oops wrong thread
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: firezuki on 2017-Oct-14, 08:47 PM


Disagree there FZ.

He ran the last 600 in 32.98 while saving every bit of ground.

Had he come to the outside he would have covered too much ground to be a factor in my opinion.

He was badly blocked saving all that ground.  He's won his races wide. History I suggest is with me.


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Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Shogun Lodge on 2017-Oct-14, 09:23 PM
When in doubt, go the Snitzel.
Worlds best sire.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: richo on 2017-Oct-14, 09:46 PM
 if you think your gunna get a clear run through the middle in a field like that "unless your j Cassidy" your dreamin come to the outside get clear run still may not of won but would've gone close
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Oct-14, 10:37 PM
Turfdeli

Did you stick with Mighty Boss.
After having him in my black book for 3 runs I Sadly over rated the Sydney form and left him alone today :tears: :tears: :tears:
Hope you stuck :x:

He posted on FB that he had a nibble   emthup
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Oct-15, 07:53 AM
On times IN HER TIME  would have won had she made the field......her time was slightly quicker than REDZEL the fastest last 600 sectional went to Chautauqua but this was fractionally slower than the day's fastest last sectionals in Race 2 run by the second and third placegetters SPIN and STUNTS in the 1000M 2yo ....both look horses to follow.

The conditions of the race covered every eventuality and while the arrangements between the slot holders and the horse owners have not been disclosed the slot holders gamble with an upfront payment of $600K plus GST for the first running and for the next two years so you would think the likely split would be 50/50.....that's close to the condition prescribed in the event of a scratching being replaced by one of the emergencies and everyone shares even down to the winner's strapper who gets $87K.

James Herron Bloodstock and the 30 shareholders in the syndicate are the big winners.

A massive crowd of 33520 reportedly the biggest this century.   :king:  

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/site/_content/document/00001733-source.pdf

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-15, 08:25 AM
A massive crowd of 33520 reportedly the biggest this century.   :king:  


Ripper of a day, to all that helped, well done. Especially all who attended, good on them. Not my cup of tea but If an aging grump. Would have lapped it up in my younger yeras :clap2:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: nemisis on 2017-Oct-15, 09:02 AM
Couple of observations from me.

Was the Randwick track really in the condition it should be in, to host the richest turf race in the world?
There did seem to be a lot of kickback.

Once again all the "experts" who assured us all, that because of the stake the pace would be right on, were wrong.
It was not competitive early, hence a couple of hard luck tales.

 Need to see all the figures to measure it's success.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Oct-15, 10:55 AM
if you think your gunna get a clear run through the middle in a field like that "unless your j Cassidy" your dreamin come to the outside get clear run still may not of won but would've gone close

I can't disagree with you Richo and again just like last start he ran the quickest final 200m

Doesn't help when you are coming from Kensington & the winner was already in Randwick.  :shutup:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2017-Oct-15, 01:43 PM
I suspect Avdulla was riding to pretty strict instructions,  he would have been too wide if he tried to go around them, not just for the extra ground he would have covered but it looked like quicksand once you were out too wide,

Quite a few horse looked like they were going to go close to winning but their runs seemed to end in the last 100 metres or so, ie Zamex in the first, Stunts and Santos in the second, then Suncraze in the 4th, even Souchez (wasn't going to win but his run ended in the last 100, Libran was charging home then was disappointing in the last 100......that was probably enough evidence for John Hawkes  to say cut the corner and ride for luck............he couldn't make a long sustained run down the outside, the proof was in the pudding............any wider than about 8 or 10 from the fence and you virtually couldn't win.....even Vega Magic would have won but for the bias and he ran back in  at about the 100....it is the nature of the business, a lot of results can be by degrees........not a lot in it..........maybe a Black Caviar/Winx etc can defy a bias but there are not many who can,

P.S. I did not back any of the above horses, I admit I did not notice any bias on the day but from watching replays, I reckon there was out wide, too many horses slowed up at the same time
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Oct-15, 03:21 PM
I'm not qualified but it seems to me that Navesh Ramdani seems to lack the commonsense that an intellect needs to b successful
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2017-Oct-15, 04:57 PM
Additional info on betting

 Andrew Bensley‏ @AndrewBensley 40m40 minutes ago

The $12 million bet on yesterday's Everest on NSW and Victoria TAB Fixed Odds compares with $6.6 million for this years Golden Slipper
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Oct-15, 08:58 PM
Avdulla responses to the critics

https://twitter.com/brentonavdulla/status/919354897375436800

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Feb-02, 07:31 AM
Victoria's iconic Melbourne Cup Carnival has pumped a record $444.5 million into the state economy and broken new ground for visitation and spending.
In a major blow to NSW’s attempt to buy its way to racing glory, money spent by visitors in Victoria for the four-day carnival increased 4.4 per cent to an unprecedented $225.8 million. And more people from interstate and overseas flew to Melbourne for the event than ever.
Sydney racing chiefs desperately tried to steal Victoria’s thunder last year, launching the $10 million Everest race and attracting a total crowd of 33,512 to Royal Randwick.But new figures show 47,089 people from NSW travelled to Melbourne for the Cup carnival — more than 13,500 more than The Everest’s entire attendance — among 82,200 “out of state visitors’’
VRC chairman Amanda Elliot stoked the interstate rivalry, saying the latest figures proved Melbourne was Australia’s undoubted sports capital.
“The Melbourne Cup is much, much more than a horse race, as we know,’’ she said. “And if The Everest is still going in 158 years, well done them.’’
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Feb-02, 09:44 AM
Vic/Melb attitudes explained here

Because you can't seem to show the same excitement about your second child, as you do with your first-born, he is likely to develop certain 'second child traits' so that your attention will be drawn towards them.•He may not respond to your bout of affection as a way of probably making you feel guilty about not giving him enough time. However, don't let this demotivate you. He wants it much more than you could imagine.

•He is likely to do things that get him into trouble, simply as a way of seeking attention from you. Don't allow it all the time, but don't constantly reprimand him for it either.

•Your second child definitely hates a comparison to his older sibling. You simply must not say 'why can't you be like your brother/sister?', because this will further instigate him to behave otherwise.

•You may face a negative attitude, a lot of sarcasm, and persistent anger from him. However, maintain your patience in such situations. These are walls he has built around himself that you can break through only over time with lots of love and affection.

•Because of the ignorance he may have faced, a second child may not be very ambitious, thinking that his efforts are not going to be recognized anyway. A second child may also face problems when it comes to dealing with pressure.

•The second child may be a loner, and may not be very great with intimate relationships. He may not value them as much as his older sibling does, and this may manifest into commitment problems in the future.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Feb-02, 03:31 PM
Victoria's iconic Melbourne Cup Carnival has pumped a record $444.5 million into the state economy and broken new ground for visitation and spending.
In a major blow to NSW’s attempt to buy its way to racing glory, money spent by visitors in Victoria for the four-day carnival increased 4.4 per cent to an unprecedented $225.8 million. And more people from interstate and overseas flew to Melbourne for the event than ever.
Sydney racing chiefs desperately tried to steal Victoria’s thunder last year, launching the $10 million Everest race and attracting a total crowd of 33,512 to Royal Randwick.But new figures show 47,089 people from NSW travelled to Melbourne for the Cup carnival — more than 13,500 more than The Everest’s entire attendance — among 82,200 “out of state visitors’’
VRC chairman Amanda Elliot stoked the interstate rivalry, saying the latest figures proved Melbourne was Australia’s undoubted sports capital.
“The Melbourne Cup is much, much more than a horse race, as we know,’’ she said. “And if The Everest is still going in 158 years, well done them.’’

This is infantile stuff.

The Everest was a huge success by any measure.

It got mainstream press. The day was treated as a major race day. 35k for Randiwck is a major crowd figure taken in isolation i.e. not compared to the Melbourne Cup.

We all know that the Melbourne Cup carnival is Australia's major racing carnival and always will be.

Statements like "Sydney racing chiefs desperately tried to steal Victoria’s thunder last year" are childish.

How is it a "major blow" to NSW to publish known crowd figures and then go on to quote that their crowd they spent an extra 4.4% and this is somehow relevant to NSW - Wow - talk about "inferiority complex"   :lol:

They weren't trying to "steal Victoria's thunder" whatever the hell that means.

They have added a major race to the Spring carnival - nothing more.

Just like the Magic Millions. Where was all the "Queensland trying to steal  the NSW 2YO thunder" whinges from NSW when that happened? They didn't. Racing NSW doesn't carry on like the Vic media and RVL do.

Vic media and racing officials need to grow up a little.

The MRC with their Caulfield Guineas day being run on the same day as The Everest will only get more interest in the day from mainstream - not less. And that will convert into punting dollars going into their coffers.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2018-Feb-07, 03:39 PM
This is infantile stuff.

The Everest was a huge success by any measure.

It got mainstream press. The day was treated as a major race day. 35k for Randiwck is a major crowd figure taken in isolation i.e. not compared to the Melbourne Cup.

Any media coverage of a V'landys stunt is not to be taken seriously. He forbids free speech.

Any Sydney big race crowd is a joke. The majority there were disengaged substance abusers there to listen to some nobody international performer, with zero appreciation of the race runners.

But the main problem is that the Everest is an insane idea. For reasons I've stated earlier.

The 1st winner looks like it could dominate in future Everests. So what's the point in stumping up a lot of money for other runners when there is very little chance of recouping anywhere near enough to finish in front!



Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Feb-07, 03:51 PM
So what's the point in stumping up a lot of money for other runners when there is very little chance of recouping anywhere near enough to finish in front!

Well using that logic why have people been bothered entering their horses to run against Winx, or Black Caviar for that matter in big prizemoney races.

May as well let them have a walkover.

The first running of the Everest was a success by any measure - and those measures include public declarations by the usual mob who will criticize PVL if he sneezes in public i.e the Victorian media and selected forum members.

If there is criticism from those quarters then he must be doing something right  ;)

Everest is here to stay and will be worth even more next year   emthup



Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2018-Feb-07, 04:17 PM
Those racing in expected walkovers like Winx and Black Caviar are presumably more than content with minor prizemoney.

Because it doesn't cost them all that much to run.

But it's an entirely different story in The Everest, with its massive stump up.

The numbers do not add up for anyone bar a walkoverer owning a slot.

I repeat, The Everest is an insane idea.

Like many V'landys' stunts are.

If it's here to stay, who cares!


Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Feb-07, 04:26 PM
Those racing in expected walkovers like Winx and Black Caviar are presumably more than content with minor prizemoney.

Because it doesn't cost them all that much to run.

But it's an entirely different story in The Everest, with its massive stump up.

The numbers do not add up for anyone bar a walkoverer owning a slot.

I repeat, The Everest is an insane idea.

Like many V'landys' stunts are.

If it's here to stay, who cares!

Change the record. This record is scratched. It keeps playing the same thing over and over again.

 :sleep:
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: jfc on 2018-Feb-07, 04:48 PM
The record keeps playing the truth.

For something like this to succeed it has to engage the masses.

This doesn't!

All it does is highlight morons like our sponsor Tabcorp, who stumps up for a stake and runs a no hoper called English.

Any sane member of the masses should figure that is a very dumb way to see you through to the next pay cheque.


Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2018-Feb-07, 05:20 PM
What happens if a Black Caviar and Hay List turn up and the best you can hope for is a chance of 3rd prizemoeny??
You need  10 more to 'stump up with the money to run? The only hope is if they get a mediocre/Average field.....how is that a good thing?

We don't have any real good horses(sprinters) Winx beat our "Champ" (Chautauqua)by a 100 yards, he is just a good sprinter and because of his racing style his opposition see him as beatable,

Redzel had a lot of help from Track Bias to win, then the ones that raced since haven't justified the race form as much good


Hype goes a long way as most people are stupid,.....but eventually even dummies wake up!
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Feb-07, 09:05 PM
DJF calls it correctly:

I laughed when I saw a social media post complaining that Peter V'Landys was on a "junket" in America,

To quote Ray Thomas, "He wouldn't know how to spell junket"

Amazing how some of these keyboard warriors can be so assertive without even knowing the person.

Fortunately, I've known V'Landys for over 20 years and he abhors that type of activity. Always has.

You could bet your bottom dollar he was only in the States if there was an edge for New South Wales racing.

And as we know now he has secured USA television coverage for The Everest, a possible co-mingled betting pool and an American presence in the race itself.

The bitter, jealous and unsuccessful will keep potting V'Landys. They'll always run second.

http://horseracingonly.com.au/racing-article.aspx?id=3434

V'Landys is held in the highest regard as a sporting Administrator and has been nominated to become an NRL Commissioner - they might have already appointed him.

Anyone can come on a social media web site and bag the bloke but just about all of the criticisms do not stack up. He would walk into the top job as the lead racing administrator in any jurisdiction around the country and probably the world.

Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Feb-07, 09:24 PM
For DJF to use his platform to promote V'Landys is fair enough.

However to use Ray Thomas to support his argument makes him lack credibility.

Ray Thomas has a contract with Racing NSW that forbids him from saying anything negative about the industry.
Peter V'Landys is responsible for that contract.

This is why so few people trust the media.
 
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Feb-07, 09:53 PM
For DJF to use his platform to promote V'Landys is fair enough.

However to use Ray Thomas to support his argument makes him lack credibility.

Ray Thomas has a contract with Racing NSW that forbids him from saying anything negative about the industry.
Peter V'Landys is responsible for that contract.

This is why so few people trust the media.

But you are projecting it as if there is some "issue" regarding Peter V'Landys that you need to take sides on.

In the mainstream there is no issue.

He is highly respected and receives plaudits from all and sundry. Even the most parochial of Victorians Lloyd Williams was suggesting that RVL head hunt him.

It is only when you get into social media that people make out there is some issue. Ray Thomas is not breaching any sort of rule regardless of whether he is employed by Racing NSW or is not.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: Dave on 2018-Feb-07, 10:30 PM
This might be V'Landy's project but he is working within the Parameters that Breeders allow him...Make no mistake, the main industry is Breeding and they couldn't give a damn about the actual racing.......

If the race was only going to help racing and not Breeding it would never have happened in the first place....

I don't know about anyone else but I am not critical of Pete, this is the best that can be achieved with what he has to work with.........but it is a non event in the scheme of things as far as attracting any extra racing fans.....that ship has sailed
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Feb-07, 10:35 PM
Not the breeders again.....  :lol:

So we have "Black Hats"

- PVL and Racing NSW
- "Breeders"
- TABCorp
- RVL and "integrity"

Anyone I've missed?

What about the "White Hats". Are there any of those  :what:



Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: gunbower on 2018-Feb-07, 10:38 PM
Nothing like making wild and outlandish comments ! "In the mainsteam (whatever that is) there is no issue ". Who said ? "He is highly respected and receives plaudits from all and sundry " Does that mean Messara and his business partner , the clown on talkback. And your character reference for all this is that grubby Melbourne property developer who has been thumbing his nose at the Rules of Racing for so long  now that their "Integrity  Department " doesn't have the balls to insist he obeys the rules like everyone else.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: sobig on 2018-Feb-07, 10:41 PM
As far as the Everest is concerned it has cost Racing NSW virtually nothing and last year's edition was the highest betting race

apart from the Melbourne Cup for NSW .

With participants required to commit for 3 years a year with a dominant horse will make no difference and also place money
gives a profit there as well.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Feb-07, 10:48 PM
As far as the Everest is concerned it has cost Racing NSW virtually nothing and last year's edition was the highest betting race

apart from the Melbourne Cup for NSW .

With participants required to commit for 3 years a year with a dominant horse will make no difference and also place money
gives a profit there as well.

It was a sensational idea and I'm surprised another racing jurisdiction around the country hasn't moved on the idea yet.

It received widespread mainstream media coverage and that would have contributed to the high betting figures.

As for the criticism pre-race that the MRC was somehow being snubbed I'd be very surprised if their betting figures weren't up as well and Everest day looks like it will morph into one of the biggest days on the Australian Racing calendar with the MRC right in the thick of it without having to do a thing.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: nemisis on 2018-Feb-08, 06:56 AM
But you are projecting it as if there is some "issue" regarding Peter V'Landys that you need to take sides on.

In the mainstream there is no issue.

He is highly respected and receives plaudits from all and sundry. Even the most parochial of Victorians Lloyd Williams was suggesting that RVL head hunt him.

It is only when you get into social media that people make out there is some issue. Ray Thomas is not breaching any sort of rule regardless of whether he is employed by Racing NSW or is not.
You only have to read the comments on Kerrin McEvoy 10 years ago to see that "all and sundry" are often completely wrong.

Time and history will judge V'Landys and what form The Everest will be in 10 years........well no one knows.
Title: The Everest 1200m - Sydney 14/10
Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Feb-08, 10:46 AM
I luv it. Cant wait already.
Even had a bet already :thumbsup: :thumbsup: