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Offline Jeunes

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« 2017-Mar-23, 09:36 PM Reply #125 »
Serious question, how does this work? If she injuries herself before the race, then have they done their money cold or do they get another pick for that slot?

I find serious probity issues with someone "buying" a horse for a race, who gets to control what races they run in before then?

It is a good investment if you can find a good horse to run in the slot. By my reckoning, it is 1.8M for 3 years. If you own a good horse in Year 1, chances are that you may not get it to run in Year 2 or 3 unless it is a gelding. I would be going to the next big thing's owners and offering a deal in the lines of the first $600k from the prizemoney plus 10-20% of the remainder. If I owned a good horse in Year 3, that would be a  good proposition if someone offered me that deal considering there are no competing races around that date.

In regards to probity and choosing races etc, this has been always around. Think about the CC and MC doubles market and how many horses bypass the CC these days etc even though they are high up in the betting. Nothing will change regarding and it depends on how strong the owners are.

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« 2017-Mar-23, 11:00 PM Reply #126 »
You know what is really puzzling about this race?? why the public give a damn!! none of us will likely have a ticket in it.....so why do we waste even seconds of our lives discussing it like we care?.....It is just another race, when it comes around I may or may not have a bet in it.....but till then I could not care less...........This Story should be in Woman's Day not a racing Forum!!  No one is even remotely discussing the actual race.... how can we until a field is announced there is no race!!

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« 2017-Mar-24, 09:05 AM Reply #127 »
It is a good investment if you can find a good horse to run in the slot. By my reckoning, it is 1.8M for 3 years. If you own a good horse in Year 1, chances are that you may not get it to run in Year 2 or 3 unless it is a gelding. I would be going to the next big thing's owners and offering a deal in the lines of the first $600k from the prizemoney plus 10-20% of the remainder. If I owned a good horse in Year 3, that would be a  good proposition if someone offered me that deal considering there are no competing races around that date.



The 3 years is one part I've struggled with. It really precludes 'owners' outside of the big studs or corporations, syndicatiors etc

Any 3 year old colt or filly isn't likely to be racing by 5, even less likely if they are already 4. Why would an owner sign up?  :shrug:

Again it still just looks like the big boys pissing contest either trying to promote their own stock or handing out slots to those worthy to run for 'them'  :dry:

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« 2017-Mar-24, 11:22 AM Reply #128 »

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« 2017-Mar-24, 01:10 PM Reply #129 »
Chris Roots‏Verified account @ChrisRoots1 7m7 minutes ago

You Long investments and Darby racing have signed the Everest contract for She Will Reign
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I did suggest that. A person with thinner skin than I would have pointed out the negative comments I got in response  :angel:

I reckon there is a good chance someone will make a deal with the owners of She Will Reign.

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« 2017-Mar-24, 01:14 PM Reply #130 »
I predict that this race, and the WFA Caulfield Cup will be runaway successes.

All you negative nellies will be left sipping your Thai Tom Yum soup.

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« 2017-Mar-24, 01:45 PM Reply #131 »
PP you've ignored my point.

There is nothing here for an owner or a group of owners like She Will Reign to buy their own slot. It's only viable to them to do a deal with a slot buyer.

The 3 year buy-in in reality precludes single horse purchasing of a slot.

It forces those who want to participate to be at the beck and call of those with the deep pockets, which ever way you look at it, spin it, it's terribly elitist.


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« 2017-Mar-24, 04:28 PM Reply #132 »
WTF is wrong with you people?? why are you spending so much time discussing what at the moment is still a fantasy race is still 7 months in the future??......when there are real races on Tonight and Tomorrow?? pure gossip and nothing more.....get a life

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« 2017-Mar-24, 04:54 PM Reply #133 »
Well Dave I can we can hold more than one conversation at a time.

I like discussing a fantasy 2 mile race in November as well.


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« 2017-Mar-24, 05:12 PM Reply #134 »
WTF is wrong with you people?? why are you spending so much time discussing what at the moment is still a fantasy race is still 7 months in the future??......when there are real races on Tonight and Tomorrow?? pure gossip and nothing more.....get a life

Um because it's topical   :whistle:

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« 2017-Mar-25, 06:28 AM Reply #135 »
PP you've ignored my point.

There is nothing here for an owner or a group of owners like She Will Reign to buy their own slot. It's only viable to them to do a deal with a slot buyer.

The 3 year buy-in in reality precludes single horse purchasing of a slot.

It forces those who want to participate to be at the beck and call of those with the deep pockets, which ever way you look at it, spin it, it's terribly elitist.

But you are making out the owners of She Will Reign are victims, being forced to do something they don't want to.

Have you talked to them?

They are probably "over the moon" at having someone paid for their place in the race and getting a crack at some serious money.

For a group of owners who might be at "the beck and call of those with the deep pockets", the speed at which they came to an agreement was pretty quick  :chin:

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« 2017-Mar-25, 06:34 AM Reply #136 »
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« 2017-Mar-25, 01:13 PM Reply #137 »
I was absorbed watching Vertical Limit last night ~5 hours past my normal bedtime, leading me to finally get this off my chest.

Why didn't V'landys call this Koscuiszko!

That would have been honest.

While Everest is reminiscent of one more AOTY fraud Jessica Who Cares, who played hooky so badly that she thought circumnavigating Antartica was a round the world sail!

If V'landys genuinely believed this was going to be an international event festooned with the best that the Isle of Man has to offer, he should have called it K2 (last night's star).

Unless he's planning to plant some turf at Everest next time he's at the peak.

Anyway, I freely donate this slogan for the cause:

The Greatest Show on Turf.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_Limit



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« 2017-Mar-26, 10:26 PM Reply #138 »
Auth where is the thread on the 2017 Melbourne Cup that you are talking so much about?? I can't find it and it never comes to the top of the heap?? what am I missing?? you do say some silly things to make your ridiculous point....even resorting to telling porkies

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« 2017-Mar-26, 11:50 PM Reply #139 »
Click FORUM on the top menu then come down seven threads...Melbourne Cup board

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« 2017-Mar-27, 12:13 AM Reply #140 »
You're kidding me? Authorized calls that a discussion on the 2017 Melbourne Cup?? about 3 or 4 comments and the last 4 months ago?? Gimme a break

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« 2017-Mar-27, 04:40 PM Reply #141 »
Take the internationals out of that market (and will be surprised if any come, seeing there are none for The Championships despite years of promotion) and it is pretty much the same market as the T.J Smith.


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« 2017-Mar-29, 10:36 PM Reply #142 »
Slots all sold and according to the SMH the "owners" are

Damion Flower, James Harron, Max Whitby, Greg Ingham with Chautauqua, Yulong Investments with She Will Reign, Aquis with Houtzen, Chris Waller Racing, Coolmore Stud, The Star, TAB, Inglis, ATC

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« 2017-Mar-29, 11:07 PM Reply #143 »
Hmmm,

Also looks like a nice way for the rich to get a share of a good horses prize money that they don't own or train....

Fours

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« 2017-Mar-30, 11:14 AM Reply #144 »
Slots all sold and according to the SMH the "owners" are

Damion Flower, James Harron, Max Whitby, Greg Ingham with Chautauqua, Yulong Investments with She Will Reign, Aquis with Houtzen, Chris Waller Racing, Coolmore Stud, The Star, TAB, Inglis, ATC

Can someone tell me who or what these people are? ( could google..).
And the ATC bought a share in their own race?

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« 2017-Mar-30, 11:22 AM Reply #145 »
Tabcorp chief operating officer for wagering and media, Craig Nugent, confirmed the TAB's involvement.

"We're delighted to have secured a spot in such a new and exciting race. We're working through how we'll use our slot, including looking at ways we can involve our customers and best promote NSW Racing," he said.

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« 2017-Mar-30, 12:13 PM Reply #146 »
I thought I heard it reported that they only needed to sell 12 but that is not the field limit?.....any truth in that??

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« 2017-Mar-30, 01:26 PM Reply #147 »
I thought I heard it reported that they only needed to sell 12 but that is not the field limit?.....any truth in that??

Yes that is what they said initially. Does the ATC buying a slot in their own race to sell out the slots count as interest?

While the initial concept is for 12 runners, Racing NSW and the ATC are prepared to extend the field if the interest is there, with the additional entry fees to be added to the purse.

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« 2017-Mar-30, 01:30 PM Reply #148 »
at the moment they are paying down to 12th aren't they?? so what happens if the finish with 16 or 18 runners?...............

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« 2017-Mar-30, 04:20 PM Reply #149 »
Can someone tell me who or what these people are? ( could google..).
And the ATC bought a share in their own race?

Damion Flower - owned Snitzel and several others; no visible means of support.
James Harron - well known bloodstock agent.
Max Whitby - huge owner; had Scarlett Lady amongst others; also owns/owned a piece of Savabeel.
Greg Ingham - self explanatory.
Yulong Investments - Chinese; huge investor at sales in recent years.
Aquis - Huge investor in recent years; Aquis Farm in Qld.
Chris Waller Racing - self explanatory.
Coolmore - self explanatory
The Star - Casino
TAB - TAB
Inglis - Inglis
ATC - Australian Turf Club.


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