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« 2017-Jul-18, 12:05 PM Reply #200 »
Yes.

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Should we have something on it    :lol:
Not before me.   :lol:
He may go and he may not.

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« 2017-Jul-18, 02:41 PM Reply #201 »
RV chief calls on racing body to rein in NSW

MICHAEL MANLEY

RACING Victoria chief Giles Thompson has hit back at NSW counterpart Peter V’landys following his attack on Melbourne’s spring carnival.

Thompson, who backs the primacy of Racing Australia, has contacted the national body over concerns about Racing NSW’s changes to its spring carnival program.

V’landys said yesterday it was a case of every state for itself. He said the $10 million Everest slot race on October 14, and a series of weight-forage race changes in NSW, should be of no concern to racing’s national body.

“Like it or not, we are in competition,” V’landys said on RSN.

“Why should the incumbent state continue to have incumbency forever and ever and restrict other states from maximising their revenue? I don’t think it’s Racing Australia’s role to determine a state’s racing program.”

It was thought Racing NSW’s changes had to be ratified by RA. But that’s not the case, according to V’Landys.

He said RA was an administrative body that dealt with rules and not race programs.

V’landys said RA’s pattern committee, which is going to make recommendations on Racing NSW’s changes, was an advisory body. He hinted that if RA thought differently, the Trade Practices Commission might look at the situation.

“Racing Australia has never been a body which promotes a monopoly — we’ve got to ensure we’re squeaky clean when it comes to competition,” V’landys said.

Thompson said RV’s position was to respect RA’s pattern committee, which devises the national featurerace program.

“We were very disappointed to hear Peter’s comments on radio today regarding NSW’s view of the pattern and its role in the future,” Thompson said.

“We remain of the firm view that a lack of cohesion in the national pattern can only negatively impact the current and future interests of Australian racing both here and abroad.

Thompson said RV was talking with RA about several spring program changes proposed by NSW.

“We look forward to Racing Australia’s leadership on this matter to ensure that the national interests of the sport are protected. In the end, the losers will be the owners, trainers and jockeys who will have their earning capabilities compromised by programming clashes,” Thompson said.

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« 2017-Jul-18, 04:19 PM Reply #202 »
PV should have just thrown it straight back at the Victorians saying it's a bit rich coming from them who have always shown contempt for the rest of the country.

Instead he's shown his own selfishness &  "stuff you Jack, I'm alright" mentality to shine through  emthdown

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« 2017-Jul-18, 04:27 PM Reply #203 »
Bubba has posted a piece by a Victorian racing journalist who in the past has been credited as writing for The Herald Sun - a Victorian newspaper (just thought I'd add that because I've never heard of him and I'm sure a lot of people in other states probably haven't either).

The infantile stuff coming out of the Victorian Racing media - well I'm embarrassed for them  :shy:

This "non story" hardly gets a run in other states.

RVL needs to get rid of their siege mentality and start dealing with things in a more mature fashion instead of trying to boost the power of some quasi national body they set up a few years back and claim it is being attacked   :lol:

Or maybe better still, get rid of all the publicity  :censored: s that have infected it and concentrate on doing the best job in the interests of Victorian racing participants, including their country ones - which is what they are supposed to do instead of chucking money down black holes. e.g. scaling back Victorian country racing while promoting South Australian racing.

Where are the full accounts for racing.com so we can see how they are really faring? How much advertising revenue are they getting and how much is this off-setting the costs? How many people are really watching? Why doesn't Kerry Stokes let Oztam publish racing.com's ratings? How much did they pay for the TV rights for Racing SA? Where is the business model that will show that money will provide a return to the Victorian racing stakeholder? How is racing.com an improvement over that dog TVN? Why are they coming out in public implying that all increases in wagering revenue are due to racing.com when we all know full well if Sky pulled the plug on Sky Racing their wagering revenue would drop around 20% as it did in the past.

A nice way redirecting attention isn't it. "Hey! Look over there at Peter V'Landys!".

Rather than dealing with the "difficult issues", RSN seems to have become just another mouthpiece for the "empowered ones" in Melbourne who think they run the whole  :censored: ing joint - which they don't :no:

V’Landys says Sydney entitled to bigger share of spring; Vics don’t own it

“Why should the incumbent state continue to have incumbency forever and ever and restrict other states from maximising their revenue,” V’landys said on RSN radio’s Racing Pulse program on Monday.

“You need to have free trade. The competition we’ve introduced has paid dividends for participants in Victoria. Only last month there were significant prizemoney increases in Victoria, that’s fantastic.

“I’ve got to concede that possibly October 14 might not have been best date (for the Everest as it clashes with Caulfield Guineas Day in Melbourne) but ... in future years we are trying to run The Everest on Friday night.

V’landys said times have changed and he wouldn’t be upset if Racing Victoria beefed up their autumn carnival programming to compete against Sydney’s flagship event, The Championships.

“No I wouldn’t because I think competition improves everyone’s performance,” he said.

“The world has changed and the wagering landscape has changed and whether you like it or not, we are in competition.

“If a punter has a bet on Flemington and Racing Victoria gets the revenue then great but NSW misses out.

“You can’t have protectionism in 2017 as you did in 1997.

“You eat what you catch and if we don’t promote NSW racing we will lag behind for the next 10 years because our revenues will decline significantly.

“My job is to maximise the revenue for NSW racing and that’s exactly what I’m going to do.”


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/vlandys-says-sydney-entitled-to-bigger-share-of-spring-vics-dont-own-it/

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« 2017-Jul-18, 05:02 PM Reply #204 »
Michael Manley is one of the many resident horse racing journalists and form analysts with the Herald Sun newspaper. Manley provides tips for each race on the daily metroplolitan Melbourne race meeting card. In addition to the Herald Sun newspaper, Manley's tips are published in the sister newspaper, the Telegraph in Sydney and on the Super Racing website.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/vlandys-says-sydney-entitled-to-bigger-share-of-spring-vics-dont-own-it/

Who is Brad Davidson who wrote that article in the Telegraph ? I have never heard of him and I'm sure a lot of people might ask the same question.
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« 2017-Jul-18, 05:31 PM Reply #205 »
Herald-Sun, Telegraph.

Nuff said.


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« 2017-Jul-18, 05:33 PM Reply #206 »
Michael Manley is one of the many resident horse racing journalists and form analysts with the Herald Sun newspaper. Manley provides tips for each race on the daily metroplolitan Melbourne race meeting card. In addition to the Herald Sun newspaper, Manley's tips are published in the sister newspaper, the Telegraph in Sydney and on the Super Racing website.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/vlandys-says-sydney-entitled-to-bigger-share-of-spring-vics-dont-own-it/

Who is Brad Davidson who wrote that article in the Telegraph ? I have never heard of him and I'm sure a lot of people might ask the same question.

Brad is a racing journalist by day and a form analyst by night. He love​s​ a good yarn but ​his real passion is finding winners ​for the punters. ​He spends​ his days off watching race replays, trials and studying form and live​s​ by the mantra 'the harder you work, the luckier you get'.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/expert-tips

(being brutally honest Bubba, I may have came across his name from time to time but had to look this up).

Mate is there any article you can quote that is negative on The Everest that doesn't emanate from Victoria?

Like I mean it is getting pretty bloody obvious what is going on. The Melbourne racing media are a "parochially compliant" lot aren't they.

They have huge problems in their own back yard but seem to be mute when it comes to discussing them. The state of the Flemington track is a much, much bigger issue than a new 1200m race in Sydney I would have thought. The lack of transparency of racing.com. Integrity problems. RVL Board being sacked - geez imaging the Melbourne Press if this happened in NSW  :what:

Does RVL bully journalists into only writing "positive" articles about racing in their home state? (a genuine question).

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« 2017-Jul-18, 09:00 PM Reply #207 »

Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber

............ there is a movie in all this ....... it will be a comic-tragedy.

After Rob Hines 'left' RVL, racing in Melbourne has lost caste so quickly it is beyond belief -- a promised new board, dedicated to fair-racing,  may balance things up pretty smartly.

In NSW the consequences of giving RNSW a windfall flow of easy money are there for all to see -- including a takeover bid for RVL as well as repeating the mistakes that RVL made in wrecking its racing.

RVL/VRC has made a mockery of the Cup by chasing international status for its promoters -- the bet lost big time.

RNSW is the new big bettor --fighting on both the spring and autumn fronts with very expensive races not living up to the hype.

...............attacking Moscow and climbing Everest..............are both plays for the dare to be great.

The situation is now a circus with too many clowns colliding with each other -- excessive use of the slapstick.

The winner will be the administrators that focus on Australia, run fair races all year round, and let the better local horses do the talking overseas.


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« 2017-Jul-18, 10:17 PM Reply #208 »


What complete and utter tripe from an abjectly failed administrative body -- so openly exposed for incompetence

"We remain in dialogue with Racing Australia regarding several of the Spring programming changes proposed by New South Wales and we look forward to Racing Australia's leadership on this matter to ensure that the national interests of the sport are protected."

.........where is the 'new' RVL board ........ help is at hand........... sadly, addicts are addicted to MN racing and are unwilling to give up the fix.

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« 2017-Jul-18, 10:43 PM Reply #209 »


...............other observers of this  Spy v. Spy farrago are also prone to say a few words:

https://racingbitch.wordpress.com/2017/07/18/peter-vlandys-and-horse-racings-own-game-of-thrones/#more-28552

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« 2017-Jul-18, 11:08 PM Reply #210 »

...............other observers of this  Spy v. Spy farrago are also prone to say a few words:

https://racingbitch.wordpress.com/2017/07/18/peter-vlandys-and-horse-racings-own-game-of-thrones/#more-28552

The Racing Bitch shows the Racing bitch's true colours:

"As for racing in Victoria, and it hurts to say it, but with only smoke and mirrors giving the impression that there really are people in charge of running racing over there, it really is a shambles."

Why would it "hurt to say it"?

This is typical of the Victorian media and their failure to "ask the hard questions". They will go hard at V'Landys but when it comes to their own? It is "hard to say it".

This is why there is no solution in sight to fixing up Flemington - because the sychophant Victorian Racing media are too scared to question their own racing authorities.

This situation of intimidation seems so strong that you cannot even attend a Victorian country meeting and criticize the sausage sandwiches without being hauled before the stewards. Remember Manny Gelagotis daring to say something about his horse not being scratched at the barrier after being injured?

Racing Bitch doesn't even read his/her own quotations. Goes to all the trouble to quote John Messara saying it backs the need for a national body and inadvertently highlights the arrogant act of RVL in demanding 30 minutes between races for all races 7 days a week. This was carried out without any consultation with any of their own clubs let alone interstate clubs, and is singularly a reason why RVL should never have any say in the operations of a national body. Too arrogant. Clubs jacked up and RVL had to back down and change the race times back for weekend metropolitan.

Of course they got a free walk from their sycophant media over that one. Imagine the whinging from the southern media if Racing NSW and V'Landys did this?

National body needed? Probably.

Run it out of Melbourne? No  :censored: ing way Jack. And especially not after this latest crap.

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« 2017-Jul-18, 11:54 PM Reply #211 »
I just looked up the definition of EGO.

EGO and it stated, "State based Racing Authorities".

Racing is lining itself up to self destruct over the next 10 years in Australia if critical changes are not made.

Sure every state wants to capitalize on the best weather to run their major carnivals and that makes logical sense.

A National Controlling Body is required and their primary role would be to maximize each States major carnivals and not allow massive EGO's to get in the way.

The National Controlling Body would need to look at the length of each carnival. The Brisbane Winter Carnival is far too long in my opinion.

When you see the "one up-manship" that is taking place between VIC and NSW you must agree it's not healthy for the overall Racing Industry.

The clashing of major races in VIC and NSW that are mainly drawing from the same pool of quality horses will only result in small fields and limited interest going into the future.

I'm not criticizing increased prizemoney but when there is no consideration by states for the overall benefit of Owners and Trainers then eventually there will be only one outcome and that is burn out for quality horses and the decline in quality racing.

But I'm wasting my time and words because the forming of a National Controlling Body will never take place whilst the current EGO's continue within the various states.

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« 2017-Jul-20, 10:49 PM Reply #212 »

Just who does this withering petal on the flower of Australian racing think he is:

Our frustration comes with a race like the Hill Stakes, which has been moved to be on the same weekend as the Underwood Stakes, and dropped from 2000m to 1800m.

"So on the Saturday you will have a Hill Stakes in Sydney for weight-for-age horses at 1800m and then on the Sunday we will have the Underwood in Melbourne, which is a weight-for-age race over 1800m.

"It dilutes the product and splits the pool of horses that both races are likely to attract."


Has he ever considered the punters that pay the freight -- the punters that are routinely exploited in Melbourne by racing over crowded fields -- the punters welcome competing races to split fields and would encourage the Melbourne greeders to split big fields into two races to give the punters a chance to see fair races allowing all starters a fair chance.

Only greeders want overcrowded race fields racing on crooked tracks to boost their turnover take -- cut it out!

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« 2017-Jul-21, 04:42 AM Reply #213 »

Our frustration comes with a race like the Hill Stakes, which has been moved to be on the same weekend as the Underwood Stakes, and dropped from 2000m to 1800m.

"So on the Saturday you will have a Hill Stakes in Sydney for weight-for-age horses at 1800m and then on the Sunday we will have the Underwood in Melbourne, which is a weight-for-age race over 1800m.


"It dilutes the product and splits the pool of horses that both races are likely to attract."



The 2016 Hill stakes was run on the 17th September at Randwick and was won by Hartnell.

The 2016 Underwood was run 7 days later on the 24th September and was won by Black Heart Bart.

No horse ran in both races. So if the dates remained the same then there would be no difference.

They need to check their facts before using rubbish arguments like this. The quality of some of the criticisms is dubious to say the least.

As sobig noted befo

Apart from anything else didn't Caulfield change the date of the 1000 guineas from last year so that

it was virtually impossible for a filly to run in both the Flight and the guineas?

The MRC moved the Thousand Guineas back from it's traditional date so that it made it impossible for the Flight Stakes winner to start.

Where were all these journalists who are now up in arms back then. Why weren't they so upset then? Was there any journalist attacking the head of the MRC asking if the MRC had consulted Racing Australia before they made that move?

No. I remember that the attitude was "aw we need a national racing body for programming" which deflected any criticism of the MRC at the time.

A lot of hypocrisy and inaccurate claims that don't stand up to scrutiny.

And if the journalists weren't so up in arms and settled down and had a think about it (Everest run on the same day as the MRC carnival opener), there won't be that much difference anyhow.

Punters will not bet less on the big races just because there are more of them. How many people are going to go "Oh I like this horse in the Hill Stakes and  I like that horse in the Underwood but I'm only going to have a bet in one of the races".

Some of the stuff coming out of the Victorian media over this issue is fair dinkum infantile  :wacko:

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« 2017-Jul-21, 11:55 AM Reply #214 »
Opinion piece by Matt Stewart in Melbourne Herald Sun..

THE most alarming aspect of New South Wales’ encroachment into Victoria’s established carnival territory is not the aggressive self-interest, but what might happen next.
Take this border war, which is being waged most heavily by one side which reckons Victoria has no right to eternal top dog status, to greater heights and Australia’s carnival landscape could be turned on its head.
Dominant carnivals could take on different parameters. Sydney has fired the first shot across the Murray, creating a $10 million slot race to run on Caulfield Guineas Day, October 14.
Peter V'landys says it’s now a “catch and kill your own’’ battle for the punting dollar.
Melbourne may respond by encroaching into Sydney’s traditional time in the sun, in the autumn.
To do that, Victoria would have to push its spring back, deep into November, to allow reasonable space between its spring and autumn.
Such territory raids are not exaggerated war talk.
Racing chiefs, at Racing Victoria and other Melbourne clubs, have been convinced for some time that a later spring — and a Melbourne Cup run on the third Tuesday in November — would be a sensible use of warmer weather and vacant sporting space.
The NSW expansionism, albeit without OK’s from authorities NSW has chosen to ignore, and the haphazard creation of the Everest, has merely steeled Victorian resolve not just to innovate, but react.
A space and stake money war between our two most powerful states would make casualties of the states with smaller carnivals and no muscle.
A leading Melbourne administrator said he “feared’’ for the carnivals of Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane if Melbourne and Sydney upped the ante.
“Those states aren’t travelling particularly well. A later Melbourne spring would have a negative impact on Perth’s carnival; a battle between Melbourne and Sydney in autumn would make it hard for Adelaide to keep up. And Queensland’s already teetering for a variety of reasons,’’ he said.
The catalyst for war came in January, in Florida.
Within days of the running of the inaugural Pegasus World Cup, Sydney announced the Everest. Both were “slot’’ races where most of the funding came primarily from those who bought slots.
The Everest would be worth $10 million. The Australian Turf Club has sold its 12 slots at $600,000 each, leaving a $3.4 million shortfall it must fill. Because of the prizemoney breakdown of the race, eight of the 12 slot owners in “Australia’s richest race” will do their money.
Winx could bypass the Caulfield Stakes and remain in Sydney as she prepares for her second Cox Plate defence.
The race, which will lure champion horses and jockeys from Caulfield, has no sponsor and NSW will have to pay Channel 7 to cover it as part of Seven’s Guineas day coverage.
NSW is desperate for this $10 million catalyst for war to attract international runners — mainly because the autumn Championship’s banner race, the $4 million Queen Elizabeth Stakes has consistently failed to do so, to Sydney’s great embarrassment.
“So what do they do? Have another go at the internationals in the spring instead — on Caulfield Guineas Day,’’ said one administrator.
A belated realisation that Everest horses would not be able to share flights or quarantine with Melbourne-bound horses prompted NSW to announce last week that a $3 million polytrack would be built at Canterbury to make it a suitable quarantine venue.
Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys said last week that a gaggle of internationals were queuing to run in the Everest — which he says could be worth $20 million in three years — but only one international, the Coolmore-owned Caravaggio, is regarded as a possible starter.
Australian Turf Club chairman Laurie Macri has sung the praises of the controversial Canterbury upgrade — the track is likely to be sold off for housing by 2021 — and Macri was an unusual spruiker given he raced champion mare Atlantic Jewel with Coolmore. The ATC will fund the upgrade.
Those whose ears prick at perceived conflicts of interest would have been interested to hear Macri say that polytrack was Coolmore’s preferred surface, interested also that $3 million might be spent for a horse who might not come, at a track with a short life span.
Of Macri’s apparent conflict, an Aussie administrator who once held a major post overseas said: “Unbelievable. But also it’s not. It’s certainly different up there.’’
The Everest has been surrounded by huge prizemoney increases and date changes to other races. The Craven Stakes, also on October 14, has been bumped up to $500,000 and now clashes with the Caulfield Stakes. The Hill Stakes (Sydney) and Underwood (Melbourne) are near-identical and now a day apart.
The cynical view down south is that the Craven was upgraded to keep Winx in Sydney; a genuine October 14 attraction at Randwick on the day of the dubious slot race.
In defending his race war, Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys has dismissed the relevance of Racing Australia and the Pattern Committee — the body that advises on the placement of feature races — saying it’s not their role to monitor one state’s expansion, and said today’s wagering environment meant it was now “catch and kill your own’’ for the punting dollar.
Racing Australia, headed by former NSW premier Barry O’Farrell, has been asked by a number of media outlets to explain its role, or lack of, in assessing Racing NSW’s race changes but has been mute.
Racing Victoria says traditional checks and balances are there protect the established, successful flow of carnivals for the betterment of racing, not individual states.
RV’s Greg Carpenter said racing, as a sport, lacked the muscle to have its product — the good horses, mainly — torn between carnivals which have traditionally flowed from one to another.
Carpenter said that if V’Landys “view’’ dictated the future then “it is a defining moment in the history of the sport in Australia. Catch and kill your

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« 2017-Jul-21, 12:03 PM Reply #215 »
So Vic racing determines their race times and intervals regardless of what other States might want. :boxing:

Vic stewards allow their races to satert even though a minute or twos delay might allow broadcast of another state's race delayed at the barrier :shoot2:


But when they want some teamwork it's all   :therethe :flowers:
   

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« 2017-Jul-21, 08:35 PM Reply #216 »
Wow! Matt Stewart needs someone to pour a bucket of ice water over him. He's on fire!

In it he says "NSW is desperate".

The only desperation I can see is coming from south of the Murray with opinion pieces like that. Journalists like Stewart and the club and RVL officials feeding his anger no doubt are desperate to tell everyone they have the biggest dick, not NSW.

This is a non-story outside of Victoria. Hardly seen anything written about it.

What about the implied threats? They are going to encroach on the Sydney Autumn carnival as "punishment"   :lol:

How about they run a $25 million race over a mile at Flemington on Doncaster Day. That'll teach V'Landys a lesson he'll never forget  :boxing: - or failing that send someone up to shoot up his door at his house like happened with Terry Bailey.

We mock Queensland parochialism from time to time but they have nothing on the Victorian racing media.

Reality is, come Everest day, most of us will study the form for both Sydney and Melbourne and will have a bet on something if it takes our fancy. The anger about "perceived encroachments" will have abated and everyone will be talking about whether Chautauqua will beat She Will Reign in the Everest, how Winx is going to go (wherever she races) and who will win the Caulfield Guineas. It is what happens in spite of 10,000 word essays by angry journalists months before anything has happened.  :wacko:

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« 2017-Jul-21, 08:46 PM Reply #217 »

We mock Queensland parochialism from time to time but they have nothing on the Victorian racing media.


It's the "second brother syndrome"


Been saying it for years.

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« 2017-Jul-21, 09:05 PM Reply #218 »
Who mocks Queensland parochialism ? Can't be those dummies from NSW with 3 times the population of Queensland who find it well nigh impossible to win a State of Origin series ? Gee they have been bellowing for years about G Inglis and have completely overlooked that one of their greatest players , Peter Sterling is a Queenslander. When that clown V'Landys and his stud master puppeteer can get an audience for their carnivals of maybe 25 % of what the VICs can then it might be time to throw their weight around. At present they are straight out failures and I guess they realize it.

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« 2017-Jul-21, 09:10 PM Reply #219 »
Gee they have been bellowing for years about G Inglis and have completely overlooked that one of their greatest players , Peter Sterling is a Queenslander.

so Inglis considers himself a Queenslander all good
does Peter consider himself a Queenslander ?

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« 2017-Jul-21, 09:19 PM Reply #220 »
Who mocks Queensland parochialism ? Can't be those dummies from NSW with 3 times the population of Queensland who find it well nigh impossible to win a State of Origin series ? Gee they have been bellowing for years about G Inglis and have completely overlooked that one of their greatest players , Peter Sterling is a Queenslander. When that clown V'Landys and his stud master puppeteer can get an audience for their carnivals of maybe 25 % of what the VICs can then it might be time to throw their weight around. At present they are straight out failures and I guess they realize it.

Right on cue  :fishing:

Geoff calls it "second brother syndrome". I call it "inferiority complex"   :lol:

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« 2017-Jul-21, 09:44 PM Reply #221 »
I call it Reality

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« 2017-Jul-21, 09:49 PM Reply #222 »
Actually Sterlo is on the record as saying that he would have had no problem being recognized as  a Queenslander. I guess that further illustrates  his class.

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« 2017-Jul-21, 10:50 PM Reply #223 »


This is why there is no solution in sight to fixing up Flemington - because the sychophant Victorian Racing media are too scared to question their own racing authorities.


Here you go PP

https://www.agcsa.com.au/node/352803


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« 2017-Jul-22, 12:01 AM Reply #224 »
Here you go PP

https://www.agcsa.com.au/node/352803

Mate I am applying for the job of Chief Exec Country Racing NSW - do you reckon they would mind me looking after the Vic tracks at the same time   :lol:


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