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Offline Shogun Lodge

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« 2017-Oct-14, 09:23 PM Reply #250 »
When in doubt, go the Snitzel.
Worlds best sire.

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« 2017-Oct-14, 09:46 PM Reply #251 »
 if you think your gunna get a clear run through the middle in a field like that "unless your j Cassidy" your dreamin come to the outside get clear run still may not of won but would've gone close

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« 2017-Oct-14, 10:37 PM Reply #252 »
Turfdeli

Did you stick with Mighty Boss.
After having him in my black book for 3 runs I Sadly over rated the Sydney form and left him alone today :tears: :tears: :tears:
Hope you stuck :x:

He posted on FB that he had a nibble   emthup

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« 2017-Oct-15, 07:53 AM Reply #253 »
On times IN HER TIME  would have won had she made the field......her time was slightly quicker than REDZEL the fastest last 600 sectional went to Chautauqua but this was fractionally slower than the day's fastest last sectionals in Race 2 run by the second and third placegetters SPIN and STUNTS in the 1000M 2yo ....both look horses to follow.

The conditions of the race covered every eventuality and while the arrangements between the slot holders and the horse owners have not been disclosed the slot holders gamble with an upfront payment of $600K plus GST for the first running and for the next two years so you would think the likely split would be 50/50.....that's close to the condition prescribed in the event of a scratching being replaced by one of the emergencies and everyone shares even down to the winner's strapper who gets $87K.

James Herron Bloodstock and the 30 shareholders in the syndicate are the big winners.

A massive crowd of 33520 reportedly the biggest this century.   :king:  

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/site/_content/document/00001733-source.pdf

Giddy Up :beer:
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« 2017-Oct-15, 08:25 AM Reply #254 »
A massive crowd of 33520 reportedly the biggest this century.   :king:  


Ripper of a day, to all that helped, well done. Especially all who attended, good on them. Not my cup of tea but If an aging grump. Would have lapped it up in my younger yeras :clap2:

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« 2017-Oct-15, 09:02 AM Reply #255 »
Couple of observations from me.

Was the Randwick track really in the condition it should be in, to host the richest turf race in the world?
There did seem to be a lot of kickback.

Once again all the "experts" who assured us all, that because of the stake the pace would be right on, were wrong.
It was not competitive early, hence a couple of hard luck tales.

 Need to see all the figures to measure it's success.

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« 2017-Oct-15, 10:55 AM Reply #256 »
if you think your gunna get a clear run through the middle in a field like that "unless your j Cassidy" your dreamin come to the outside get clear run still may not of won but would've gone close

I can't disagree with you Richo and again just like last start he ran the quickest final 200m

Doesn't help when you are coming from Kensington & the winner was already in Randwick.  :shutup:

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« 2017-Oct-15, 01:43 PM Reply #257 »
I suspect Avdulla was riding to pretty strict instructions,  he would have been too wide if he tried to go around them, not just for the extra ground he would have covered but it looked like quicksand once you were out too wide,

Quite a few horse looked like they were going to go close to winning but their runs seemed to end in the last 100 metres or so, ie Zamex in the first, Stunts and Santos in the second, then Suncraze in the 4th, even Souchez (wasn't going to win but his run ended in the last 100, Libran was charging home then was disappointing in the last 100......that was probably enough evidence for John Hawkes  to say cut the corner and ride for luck............he couldn't make a long sustained run down the outside, the proof was in the pudding............any wider than about 8 or 10 from the fence and you virtually couldn't win.....even Vega Magic would have won but for the bias and he ran back in  at about the 100....it is the nature of the business, a lot of results can be by degrees........not a lot in it..........maybe a Black Caviar/Winx etc can defy a bias but there are not many who can,

P.S. I did not back any of the above horses, I admit I did not notice any bias on the day but from watching replays, I reckon there was out wide, too many horses slowed up at the same time

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« 2017-Oct-15, 03:21 PM Reply #258 »
I'm not qualified but it seems to me that Navesh Ramdani seems to lack the commonsense that an intellect needs to b successful

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« 2017-Oct-15, 04:57 PM Reply #259 »
Additional info on betting

 Andrew Bensley‏ @AndrewBensley 40m40 minutes ago

The $12 million bet on yesterday's Everest on NSW and Victoria TAB Fixed Odds compares with $6.6 million for this years Golden Slipper

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« 2017-Oct-15, 08:58 PM Reply #260 »

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« 2018-Feb-02, 07:31 AM Reply #261 »
Victoria's iconic Melbourne Cup Carnival has pumped a record $444.5 million into the state economy and broken new ground for visitation and spending.
In a major blow to NSW’s attempt to buy its way to racing glory, money spent by visitors in Victoria for the four-day carnival increased 4.4 per cent to an unprecedented $225.8 million. And more people from interstate and overseas flew to Melbourne for the event than ever.
Sydney racing chiefs desperately tried to steal Victoria’s thunder last year, launching the $10 million Everest race and attracting a total crowd of 33,512 to Royal Randwick.But new figures show 47,089 people from NSW travelled to Melbourne for the Cup carnival — more than 13,500 more than The Everest’s entire attendance — among 82,200 “out of state visitors’’
VRC chairman Amanda Elliot stoked the interstate rivalry, saying the latest figures proved Melbourne was Australia’s undoubted sports capital.
“The Melbourne Cup is much, much more than a horse race, as we know,’’ she said. “And if The Everest is still going in 158 years, well done them.’’

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« 2018-Feb-02, 09:44 AM Reply #262 »
Vic/Melb attitudes explained here

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« 2018-Feb-02, 03:31 PM Reply #263 »
Victoria's iconic Melbourne Cup Carnival has pumped a record $444.5 million into the state economy and broken new ground for visitation and spending.
In a major blow to NSW’s attempt to buy its way to racing glory, money spent by visitors in Victoria for the four-day carnival increased 4.4 per cent to an unprecedented $225.8 million. And more people from interstate and overseas flew to Melbourne for the event than ever.
Sydney racing chiefs desperately tried to steal Victoria’s thunder last year, launching the $10 million Everest race and attracting a total crowd of 33,512 to Royal Randwick.But new figures show 47,089 people from NSW travelled to Melbourne for the Cup carnival — more than 13,500 more than The Everest’s entire attendance — among 82,200 “out of state visitors’’
VRC chairman Amanda Elliot stoked the interstate rivalry, saying the latest figures proved Melbourne was Australia’s undoubted sports capital.
“The Melbourne Cup is much, much more than a horse race, as we know,’’ she said. “And if The Everest is still going in 158 years, well done them.’’

This is infantile stuff.

The Everest was a huge success by any measure.

It got mainstream press. The day was treated as a major race day. 35k for Randiwck is a major crowd figure taken in isolation i.e. not compared to the Melbourne Cup.

We all know that the Melbourne Cup carnival is Australia's major racing carnival and always will be.

Statements like "Sydney racing chiefs desperately tried to steal Victoria’s thunder last year" are childish.

How is it a "major blow" to NSW to publish known crowd figures and then go on to quote that their crowd they spent an extra 4.4% and this is somehow relevant to NSW - Wow - talk about "inferiority complex"   :lol:

They weren't trying to "steal Victoria's thunder" whatever the hell that means.

They have added a major race to the Spring carnival - nothing more.

Just like the Magic Millions. Where was all the "Queensland trying to steal  the NSW 2YO thunder" whinges from NSW when that happened? They didn't. Racing NSW doesn't carry on like the Vic media and RVL do.

Vic media and racing officials need to grow up a little.

The MRC with their Caulfield Guineas day being run on the same day as The Everest will only get more interest in the day from mainstream - not less. And that will convert into punting dollars going into their coffers.

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« 2018-Feb-07, 03:39 PM Reply #264 »
This is infantile stuff.

The Everest was a huge success by any measure.

It got mainstream press. The day was treated as a major race day. 35k for Randiwck is a major crowd figure taken in isolation i.e. not compared to the Melbourne Cup.

Any media coverage of a V'landys stunt is not to be taken seriously. He forbids free speech.

Any Sydney big race crowd is a joke. The majority there were disengaged substance abusers there to listen to some nobody international performer, with zero appreciation of the race runners.

But the main problem is that the Everest is an insane idea. For reasons I've stated earlier.

The 1st winner looks like it could dominate in future Everests. So what's the point in stumping up a lot of money for other runners when there is very little chance of recouping anywhere near enough to finish in front!




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« 2018-Feb-07, 03:51 PM Reply #265 »
So what's the point in stumping up a lot of money for other runners when there is very little chance of recouping anywhere near enough to finish in front!

Well using that logic why have people been bothered entering their horses to run against Winx, or Black Caviar for that matter in big prizemoney races.

May as well let them have a walkover.

The first running of the Everest was a success by any measure - and those measures include public declarations by the usual mob who will criticize PVL if he sneezes in public i.e the Victorian media and selected forum members.

If there is criticism from those quarters then he must be doing something right  ;)

Everest is here to stay and will be worth even more next year   emthup




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« 2018-Feb-07, 04:17 PM Reply #266 »
Those racing in expected walkovers like Winx and Black Caviar are presumably more than content with minor prizemoney.

Because it doesn't cost them all that much to run.

But it's an entirely different story in The Everest, with its massive stump up.

The numbers do not add up for anyone bar a walkoverer owning a slot.

I repeat, The Everest is an insane idea.

Like many V'landys' stunts are.

If it's here to stay, who cares!



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« 2018-Feb-07, 04:26 PM Reply #267 »
Those racing in expected walkovers like Winx and Black Caviar are presumably more than content with minor prizemoney.

Because it doesn't cost them all that much to run.

But it's an entirely different story in The Everest, with its massive stump up.

The numbers do not add up for anyone bar a walkoverer owning a slot.

I repeat, The Everest is an insane idea.

Like many V'landys' stunts are.

If it's here to stay, who cares!

Change the record. This record is scratched. It keeps playing the same thing over and over again.

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« 2018-Feb-07, 04:48 PM Reply #268 »
The record keeps playing the truth.

For something like this to succeed it has to engage the masses.

This doesn't!

All it does is highlight morons like our sponsor Tabcorp, who stumps up for a stake and runs a no hoper called English.

Any sane member of the masses should figure that is a very dumb way to see you through to the next pay cheque.



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« 2018-Feb-07, 05:20 PM Reply #269 »
What happens if a Black Caviar and Hay List turn up and the best you can hope for is a chance of 3rd prizemoeny??
You need  10 more to 'stump up with the money to run? The only hope is if they get a mediocre/Average field.....how is that a good thing?

We don't have any real good horses(sprinters) Winx beat our "Champ" (Chautauqua)by a 100 yards, he is just a good sprinter and because of his racing style his opposition see him as beatable,

Redzel had a lot of help from Track Bias to win, then the ones that raced since haven't justified the race form as much good


Hype goes a long way as most people are stupid,.....but eventually even dummies wake up!

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« 2018-Feb-07, 09:05 PM Reply #270 »
DJF calls it correctly:

I laughed when I saw a social media post complaining that Peter V'Landys was on a "junket" in America,

To quote Ray Thomas, "He wouldn't know how to spell junket"

Amazing how some of these keyboard warriors can be so assertive without even knowing the person.

Fortunately, I've known V'Landys for over 20 years and he abhors that type of activity. Always has.

You could bet your bottom dollar he was only in the States if there was an edge for New South Wales racing.

And as we know now he has secured USA television coverage for The Everest, a possible co-mingled betting pool and an American presence in the race itself.

The bitter, jealous and unsuccessful will keep potting V'Landys. They'll always run second.


http://horseracingonly.com.au/racing-article.aspx?id=3434

V'Landys is held in the highest regard as a sporting Administrator and has been nominated to become an NRL Commissioner - they might have already appointed him.

Anyone can come on a social media web site and bag the bloke but just about all of the criticisms do not stack up. He would walk into the top job as the lead racing administrator in any jurisdiction around the country and probably the world.


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« 2018-Feb-07, 09:24 PM Reply #271 »
For DJF to use his platform to promote V'Landys is fair enough.

However to use Ray Thomas to support his argument makes him lack credibility.

Ray Thomas has a contract with Racing NSW that forbids him from saying anything negative about the industry.
Peter V'Landys is responsible for that contract.

This is why so few people trust the media.
 

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« 2018-Feb-07, 09:53 PM Reply #272 »
For DJF to use his platform to promote V'Landys is fair enough.

However to use Ray Thomas to support his argument makes him lack credibility.

Ray Thomas has a contract with Racing NSW that forbids him from saying anything negative about the industry.
Peter V'Landys is responsible for that contract.

This is why so few people trust the media.

But you are projecting it as if there is some "issue" regarding Peter V'Landys that you need to take sides on.

In the mainstream there is no issue.

He is highly respected and receives plaudits from all and sundry. Even the most parochial of Victorians Lloyd Williams was suggesting that RVL head hunt him.

It is only when you get into social media that people make out there is some issue. Ray Thomas is not breaching any sort of rule regardless of whether he is employed by Racing NSW or is not.

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« 2018-Feb-07, 10:30 PM Reply #273 »
This might be V'Landy's project but he is working within the Parameters that Breeders allow him...Make no mistake, the main industry is Breeding and they couldn't give a damn about the actual racing.......

If the race was only going to help racing and not Breeding it would never have happened in the first place....

I don't know about anyone else but I am not critical of Pete, this is the best that can be achieved with what he has to work with.........but it is a non event in the scheme of things as far as attracting any extra racing fans.....that ship has sailed

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« 2018-Feb-07, 10:35 PM Reply #274 »
Not the breeders again.....  :lol:

So we have "Black Hats"

- PVL and Racing NSW
- "Breeders"
- TABCorp
- RVL and "integrity"

Anyone I've missed?

What about the "White Hats". Are there any of those  :what:





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