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« 2019-Nov-18, 06:40 PM Reply #350 »
QRIC extends amnesty to allow more time for owners of retired racehorses and trotters to comply with their obligations.

https://qric.qld.gov.au/news/qric-amnesty-on-horse-retirement-extended/


Giddy Up :beer: 

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« 2019-Nov-18, 07:28 PM Reply #351 »
Yeah they are not attacking the ABC because they weren't attacked in the first place and aren't falsely being portrayed as the devil in all of this. They are way behind NSW in horse welfare.

"Racing Victoria are starting dialogue moving forward"

   :lol:

Still ducking the questions?

I am going to rename you Peteís Pen.   :lol:   :lol:

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« 2019-Nov-18, 07:39 PM Reply #352 »
An interesting article from Racenet. 2nd paragraph about prizemoney may become reality but not sure regarding timeframes.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/it-s-time-to-forget-about-posturing-and-act-on-abc-program-20191118

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« 2019-Nov-18, 08:28 PM Reply #353 »
PP7 you in particular want to persist with questions when the answers are already on the thread.

Read the "outdated" ABC response 3 or 4 times and pay close attention.

The Meramist footage that was provided to the ABC was based on 22 visits spanning 2 years, which involved scanning microchips and filming branding.....I'm certain you'll be suggesting all the extreme footage will be 2 years old but that is your problem.

Your question around P V'Landys responsibility is also there but I'll quote it for you" The objective is that no horse that races or is domiciled in NSW- doesn't have to get to a racecourse, but if it is born, bred or domiciled predominately in NSW, we need to provide it a home".....that is a strong, unequivocal statement isn't it?..... he needs to back it up.

I think you and Gin need to prepare yourself for some disappointment....award winning doco I'll say.
I congratulate Caro Meldrum-Hanna for her effort........she clearly has worked with people that know their stuff around the Australian Stud book .....it's very thorough and any uncertainty I had around Reliable Kingdom has been dealt there as well.

Finally on The Fitzgeral Pastoral Company AKA as Burn's Pet foods......anyone  that's been around a horse sale would know his distinctive Dogger's truck......Inglis and RNSW included.


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« 2019-Nov-18, 09:15 PM Reply #354 »
... while Racing Victoria are starting dialogue moving forward.

I notice that you said you were working in Melbourne.

Do you work for the Victorian public service Jeunes?

That's the sort of thing people say when they are doing nothing  :shutup:

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« 2019-Nov-18, 09:34 PM Reply #355 »
I notice that you said you were working in Melbourne.

Do you work for the Victorian public service Jeunes?

That's the sort of thing people say when they are doing nothing  :shutup:

Nice try Peterís Pen. I said I was in Melbourne for the weekend but then again your attention to detail is similar to your pal Peter.   :lol:

Like your pal, you have failed to answer the questions asked of you. The only difference is you have been given ample opportunities and yet failed to come out and answer the question.

Peterís Pal, I am a Sydneysider through and through. Love Sydney and unlike you, I donít have an agenda. 

Your agenda is to protect Peter at all costs so do you work for Peter or is it another question you cannot answer?

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« 2019-Nov-18, 09:48 PM Reply #356 »
Nice try Peterís Pen. I said I was in Melbourne for the weekend but then again your attention to detail is similar to your pal Peter.   :lol:

Like your pal, you have failed to answer the questions asked of you. The only difference is you have been given ample opportunities and yet failed to come out and answer the question.

Peterís Pal, I am a Sydneysider through and through. Love Sydney and unlike you, I donít have an agenda. 

Your agenda is to protect Peter at all costs so do you work for Peter or is it another question you cannot answer?

I'll immediately start a dialogue on your questions moving forward..........

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« 2019-Nov-18, 09:57 PM Reply #357 »
I'll immediately start a dialogue on your questions moving forward..........

Thanks Peterís Pen. When you are ready for a media conference, I will consider any requests for pre-warning of questions seriously. I will give it the due due consideration it deserves and respond within 24 hours as per Racing NSW standard of investigation of an ABN .

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« 2019-Nov-19, 09:42 PM Reply #358 »
Peter Pen will be aghast and attack this but here goes.

There are rumblings within parts of Racing NSW system over the attack on ABC and this is from someone who I knows a bit. There are some trainers, owners and jockeys who felt that Racing NSW should have swallowed itís pride and been more conciliatory and try to reassure the non racing public.

 The fact that they could not get prominent NSW trainers, jockeys and owners to support their statement seems interesting. The racing media had quoted David Hayes, but he is from Victoria. His quotes supporting Racing NSW stand on ABC seems to indicate that some people in Sydney donít want to get quoted especially the prominent trainers.

The other issue that is raising concerns were the crowd figures after the Everest. They were higher than normal but was it worth the investment in prizemoney etc The sponsors despite the publicity has not materialised to a great extent and the Bondi barrier draw scheduled on the beach was cancelled with no viable reason given.

The question asked by some local industry participants is that with the silly season starting, Canterbury races on Friday night has been a boon but will it continue. They had a great figure on the weekend but any ongoing disputes might affect it. We had one of our end of year functions at Canterbury last year and it was quite good for everyone. I do throughly recommend that if you wish to have a different type of Christmas shindig.

There is hope that Vílandys can cross sell racing and league as a package for a new audience and sponsors in the future. This hope is from the racing industry but not sure regarding the league point of view.

Vlandys job is safe so Peterís Pen need not worry. He just has a tougher job now than 12 months ago. He cannot increase prizemoney or invent new races without facing criticism over not spending on the welfare of horses. The drought has also increased feed costs in the country.

The drop in turnover is highly concerning to many but time will tell if it is a short dip or the start of a cycle or not.

As my friend said some regard Peter as a  saviour while others are not that complementary. But Peterís job is safe .

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« 2019-Nov-20, 04:37 AM Reply #359 »
Peter Pen will be aghast and attack this but here goes.


FFS Jeunes   :lol:

Bush Telegraph stuff.

I'm sure PVL is delighted that his job has been declared safe by an anonymous poster quoting an anonymous friend on social media.   emthup

I wasn't going to reply on your "content" but just one thing:

The drop in turnover is highly concerning to many but time will tell if it is a short dip or the start of a cycle or not.

The "drop in turnover" is a national thing. In fact we recently posted some stats that showed NSW punters are actually proportionally betting more on NSW races than they have historically on Victorian races.

Anyone who follows betting trends knows the drop in turnover is a national phenomena, and that the new point of consumption tax has meant that those getting rebates aren't on such a good wicket any more and their withdrawal is probably the reason for the drop.

http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/racing-talk/melbourne-group-1-win-tote-comparison/

To twist that into a suggestion that the drop in turnover somehow threatens the job of the head of Racing NSW is in the flavour of your entire post, which I must say borders on the infantile.




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« 2019-Nov-20, 06:08 AM Reply #360 »
The drop in turnover doesnít just threaten PVL it threatens racing.

The funding model is flawed because it is based on turnover. It has worked until now as bookmakers and TAB have increased margin over the last ten years to cover the increased racefields and POC.

Greater margin means the bookies win the money quicker and there is less for the punters to recycle( re bet) and turnover decreases.

We have just reached the point where margins elasticity has been reached and every promotion that is reduced or price percentage that is increased harms turnover.

If margins increase much further bookies win faster, punters lose quicker and the bloke that loses his $50 or $100 will spend it elsewhere next Saturday as his enjoyment from punting is reduced because he canít win.

The TAB is impacted as much as the corporates which is why they are closing down their rewards system.

The problem we have is this year for the first time racing bodies funding will reduce because turnover decreased.

My suspicion is their reaction will be to increase the fees to bookies to make up for this shortfall. The bookies will then pass this impost in to the punter in the form of worse prices and turnover will further decrease because of less recycling.

All of this is exasperated in NSW as a result of money wasted on the back of providing these stupid high prize money races so millionaires like Nev Morgan and battlers such as  the blue team and Waller slot holders  can get more money.

Donít even start me on the ridiculous two year old race plus Newcastle and Wollongong.


We are at a turning point to ascertain whether racing follows the pattern of USA racing and harness that didnt react when obvious problems first rose to funding or whether self interest weakens and we sort the industry out.

My money is on the former.
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« 2019-Nov-20, 06:25 AM Reply #361 »
Peterís Pen, I knew you would ignore certain aspects etc to push Peterís point of view.

I never said Vlandys was in strife or his job under threat. You acknowledged it in one of your paragraphs then made your conclusion as usual by implying that his job is under threat and that was the ďflavourĒ of my post.

His job is not under threat. My point was there are some people in the racing industry in NSW not happy with him. Big difference, Peterís Pen.

I also noticed there was no comment from you why some of our more prominent industry figures did not come in support of Racing NSWís stance against the ABC.

It is like politics, you are never going to get everyone to like you or agree with all your decisions. The art is how you sell your decisions.

The consumption tax is an interesting animal in itself. Short term it has boosted prizemoney, infrastructure etc. Long term,  I am not sure as people on this forum have debated both sides including drops in turnover.

Racing like many sports have lower attendance in the last 5-10 years. Winx and the Everest arrested the flow to some extent. The challenge for all Racing Bodies and yes, Peterís Pen is how to attract the crowd on a regular basis without spending too much on marketing or music artists after the races.

Also I stand to be corrected but some of the farms of Racing NSW and Victoria which were supposed to host ex racehorses are still not operational. The upkeep of them for the racing bodies will be a few $ and we all know that if any media organisation did a story next year on it, there will be more scrutiny.



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« 2019-Nov-20, 10:39 AM Reply #362 »

The TAB is impacted as much as the corporates which is why they are closing down their rewards system.

The problem we have is this year for the first time racing bodies funding will reduce because turnover decreased.

My suspicion is their reaction will be to increase the fees to bookies to make up for this shortfall. The bookies will then pass this impost in to the punter in the form of worse prices and turnover will further decrease because of less recycling.

All of this is exasperated in NSW as a result of money wasted on the back of providing these stupid high prize money races so millionaires like Nev Morgan and battlers such as  the blue team and Waller slot holders  can get more money.


Can you tell me how The Everest is bad for turnover as you imply?

How much did Ladbrokes hold on The Everest this year? How much in the first year? How much 10 years ago - oh hang on they didn't have it then.

There has been a quantum increase in prizemoney on the ground in both NSW and Victoria with a lot more going back to the battling trainer with initiatives like paying down to 10th place. The Highways. Country Championship. The Kosciusko.  It doesn't just go to the millionaires as you imply. Cathleen Rode who won the Country Championship a few years back is no millionaire. What you say is parroting a false narrative.

In fact there has never been a better time (statistically) in our history to be a racehorse owner - at least in NSW and Victoria.

Australia is far more egalitarian than any other country. Of course there are rich racehorse owners - like Lloyd Williams, Godolphin. It has always been like that. What makes you think it was any different in the past? You would never have had owners like the owners of Redzel in the past.

You speak of margins for the bookmaker.

From where I sit the turnover in racing is dropping because the period of flagrant over promotion performed by Corporates in order to get business when they first entered the Australian market has come to end.

William Hill, Luxbet, Tom Waterhouse, bookmaker.com, Crown and a stack of others. All gone.

There was a golden period where it was pretty hard to lose as a punter. I can remember William Hill paying you a bonus bet if your horse finished in the first half of the field!! How can you possibly lose?

And now they are broke. Wonder how that happened?

Of course turnover was going to plateau. And then when the dust settled and we are left with two main Corproates plus TAB (probably still one to fall off the perch yet) the promotions are wound down. Subsequently the turnover falls.

Then along comes the South Australian government with the brainstorm of  a Point Of Consumption tax which other states follow suit. That exacerbates the problem.

But how has that got anything to do with The Everest, The Hunter or any other race?

This madness brought in by Corporate bookmakers was always going to end in tears. Don't you dare go blaming someone else!!

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« 2019-Nov-20, 10:45 AM Reply #363 »
Peterís Pen, I knew you would ignore certain aspects etc to push Peterís point of view.

I never said Vlandys was in strife or his job under threat. You acknowledged it in one of your paragraphs then made your conclusion as usual by implying that his job is under threat and that was the ďflavourĒ of my post.

His job is not under threat. My point was there are some people in the racing industry in NSW not happy with him. Big difference, Peterís Pen.

I also noticed there was no comment from you why some of our more prominent industry figures did not come in support of Racing NSWís stance against the ABC.

It is like politics, you are never going to get everyone to like you or agree with all your decisions. The art is how you sell your decisions.

The consumption tax is an interesting animal in itself. Short term it has boosted prizemoney, infrastructure etc. Long term,  I am not sure as people on this forum have debated both sides including drops in turnover.

Racing like many sports have lower attendance in the last 5-10 years. Winx and the Everest arrested the flow to some extent. The challenge for all Racing Bodies and yes, Peterís Pen is how to attract the crowd on a regular basis without spending too much on marketing or music artists after the races.

Also I stand to be corrected but some of the farms of Racing NSW and Victoria which were supposed to host ex racehorses are still not operational. The upkeep of them for the racing bodies will be a few $ and we all know that if any media organisation did a story next year on it, there will be more scrutiny.

Mate can I respectfully point out that you are rambling. It is becoming difficult to read your posts.

Re-read what you are about to post before you hit the Post button and remove any wasted words. Makes for a better read   emthup

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« 2019-Nov-20, 11:02 AM Reply #364 »
Hatchet job or not at least it has made racing jurisdictions more accountable now evidenced by WA buying a farm to home and retrain former gallopers.That is a good thing.

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« 2019-Nov-20, 11:26 AM Reply #365 »
Mate can I respectfully point out that you are rambling. It is becoming difficult to read your posts.

Re-read what you are about to post before you hit the Post button and remove any wasted words. Makes for a better read     emthup  
The only person here who rambles is you.......Jeunes is a well-considered guy.

This is a subject that only become of interest to you a few days after it's airing.

I repeat every  time you post something  here you demonstrate how completely clueless you are.

When a horse is in the killing chute about to go into knock box at Meramist you seem to think there is someone you can call to "rescue" it.

Understand this .....both Victoria and RNSW do not pull horses off Peter Loffell's truck, even when made aware of some of the cargo, and once aboard and deposited in what ever condition they reach Caboolture in, they are friendless (as are all the horses there).....no rescue.....no nothing!
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« 2019-Nov-20, 12:06 PM Reply #366 »
Hatchet job or not at least it has made racing jurisdictions more accountable now evidenced by WA buying a farm to home and retrain former gallopers.That is a good thing.

Don't disagree with that.

The actions initiated with 1% of the prizemoney in Vic and NSW going to horse welfare a year or two ago needed a follow up to make sure it is effective. The program certainly has initiated that.

This however does not excuse individuals or corporations from not reporting animal cruelty as soon as they become aware of it.

Funny how this point is never argued by the antagonists on this thread. Wonder why? It is a very serious allegation and you'd think anyone with any feelings for horse welfare would be enraged by this as I am. Journalists going for Walkley awards should not take precedence over the welfare of these beautiful, intelligent animals.

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« 2019-Nov-20, 12:10 PM Reply #367 »
The only person here who rambles is you.......Jeunes is a well-considered guy.

This is a subject that only become of interest to you a few days after it's airing.

I repeat every  time you post something  here you demonstrate how completely clueless you are.

When a horse is in the killing chute about to go into knock box at Meramist you seem to think there is someone you can call to "rescue" it.

Understand this .....both Victoria and RNSW do not pull horses off Peter Loffell's truck, even when made aware of some of the cargo, and once aboard and deposited in what ever condition they reach Caboolture in, they are friendless (as are all the horses there).....no rescue.....no nothing!

I have consistently said throughout this thread that I do not think horses should go to abattoirs. They are not an abattoir animal. There is a level of intelligence in horses that demands that they be euthanized humanely like dogs are.

If that practice was banned then everything you say above would be sorted.

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« 2019-Nov-20, 12:47 PM Reply #368 »
Can you tell me how The Everest is bad for turnover as you imply?

How much did Ladbrokes hold on The Everest this year? How much in the first year? How much 10 years ago - oh hang on they didn't have it then.

There has been a quantum increase in prizemoney on the ground in both NSW and Victoria with a lot more going back to the battling trainer with initiatives like paying down to 10th place. The Highways. Country Championship. The Kosciusko.  It doesn't just go to the millionaires as you imply. Cathleen Rode who won the Country Championship a few years back is no millionaire. What you say is parroting a false narrative.

In fact there has never been a better time (statistically) in our history to be a racehorse owner - at least in NSW and Victoria.

Australia is far more egalitarian than any other country. Of course there are rich racehorse owners - like Lloyd Williams, Godolphin. It has always been like that. What makes you think it was any different in the past? You would never have had owners like the owners of Redzel in the past.

You speak of margins for the bookmaker.

From where I sit the turnover in racing is dropping because the period of flagrant over promotion performed by Corporates in order to get business when they first entered the Australian market has come to end.

William Hill, Luxbet, Tom Waterhouse, bookmaker.com, Crown and a stack of others. All gone.

There was a golden period where it was pretty hard to lose as a punter. I can remember William Hill paying you a bonus bet if your horse finished in the first half of the field!! How can you possibly lose?

And now they are broke. Wonder how that happened?

Of course turnover was going to plateau. And then when the dust settled and we are left with two main Corproates plus TAB (probably still one to fall off the perch yet) the promotions are wound down. Subsequently the turnover falls.

Then along comes the South Australian government with the brainstorm of  a Point Of Consumption tax which other states follow suit. That exacerbates the problem.

But how has that got anything to do with The Everest, The Hunter or any other race?

This madness brought in by Corporate bookmakers was always going to end in tears. Don't you dare go blaming someone else!!

PP

Everest isnt bad for turnover its great and a great product from a bookies point of view. However it isn't great for racing as it isnt yet providing enough turnover to pay for itself. SO the punter pays for it. The other new races are a collossal waste of money.

You are guessing  that the turnover issue is promotions but I know that it margin that is killing turnover. On a day a large corporate loses they may turn over 30% more than when they win because the punters have money to keep betting.

A 3% rise in margin which is what has happened across the board over the industry has seen in the last 18 months is killing turnover because the bookies are winning to quickly.

We are in a vicious spin, raise prizemoney, racing bodies charges bookies more to pay for it, so the bookies charge clients more to pay the increased fees.

This model has worked for many years, we have now reached the point where what the bookies are charging the punters in the form of bad pricing is killing recycling and thus turnover.

 Regardless of where we have come from, it is the next move on funding that will either push Racing down the path PVL led harness racing (by doing nothing) alternatively some initiative is shown and the model is tweaked. 

Lets revisit this in two years and see who is correct.



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« 2019-Nov-20, 01:59 PM Reply #369 »
PP

Everest isnt bad for turnover its great and a great product from a bookies point of view. However it isn't great for racing as it isnt yet providing enough turnover to pay for itself. SO the punter pays for it. The other new races are a collossal waste of money.

You are guessing  that the turnover issue is promotions but I know that it margin that is killing turnover. On a day a large corporate loses they may turn over 30% more than when they win because the punters have money to keep betting.

A 3% rise in margin which is what has happened across the board over the industry has seen in the last 18 months is killing turnover because the bookies are winning to quickly.

We are in a vicious spin, raise prizemoney, racing bodies charges bookies more to pay for it, so the bookies charge clients more to pay the increased fees.

This model has worked for many years, we have now reached the point where what the bookies are charging the punters in the form of bad pricing is killing recycling and thus turnover.

 Regardless of where we have come from, it is the next move on funding that will either push Racing down the path PVL led harness racing (by doing nothing) alternatively some initiative is shown and the model is tweaked. 

Lets revisit this in two years and see who is correct.

Yes. Agree. Let's see in two years. But it was always my contention that it couldn't last - if I looked back through the Corporate Bonuses thread I'm sure I'd find my quote - "enjoy it while it lasts" posted a couple of years ago.

The competition for market share amongst all the Corporates over the past few years has been furious and unsustainable, and is not unlike the ride share/taxi market at the moment. You see Uber posting horrific losses with their model of driving competition out of the market with cheap and uneconomical fares (equivalent of promotions), and it has worked to an extent with the demise of Taxify who were taken over by Bolt which no-one has heard of and who will wind down their Australian operations eventually. Either Uber will go broke and we will be left with traditional cabs + Ola or Ola or the cabs will go. But I digress......

Australian markets in general are duopolies plus fringe. Airlines, Supermarkets, Telcos, Pizza.

I see the wagering market doing the same. And when it settles down and those who are left have to start making a buck then the punters will get a smaller return as the margins rise.

But it just couldn't go on the way it was going. Blind Freddy could see that. Thus a wind back in turnover doesn't surprise at all. Nothing to do with prizemoney.

What is surprising is other people's surprise   :lol:

(and by the way you forget that the Everest pays for itself with the slot holder model - similar model to Magic Millions where NSW breeders stump up most of the prizemoney. Given the success of The Everest and MMs - anyone notice that it has quietly taken over from the Brisbane winter carnival as the flagship in Qld racing? - my prediction is that Victoria will soon follow suit in spite of all their belly aching. The MRC's change of attitude around the Everest suggests to me they might be thinking of something similar - totally my opinion).

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« 2019-Nov-20, 03:49 PM Reply #370 »
Mate can I respectfully point out that you are rambling. It is becoming difficult to read your posts.

Re-read what you are about to post before you hit the Post button and remove any wasted words. Makes for a better read    emthup  

Does this mean Peterís Pen that you will answer questions asked of you before you ask any questions?

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« 2019-Nov-20, 08:17 PM Reply #371 »
Does this mean Peterís Pen that you will answer questions asked of you before you ask any questions?

No it means I am getting bored reading the same stuff re-hashed.

I find it much more interesting talking to fours about Mongolian coal.

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« 2019-Nov-20, 08:57 PM Reply #372 »
No it means I am getting bored reading the same stuff re-hashed.

I find it much more interesting talking to fours about Mongolian coal.

Just answer two questions and it does not have to be rehashed once you answer it.

Here are the questions again. Racing NSW released a statement advising they did not know racehorses were sent to Camden sales even though they were alerted to it previously and responded to it saying the horse was sold to owners not in NSW. So was the statement a lie?

Were Racing stewards not competent when they looked at the ABNs concerned and said one of them was in Victoria and not looking at the other one which was for a company linked to a NSW pet food maker.  This was after the general public alerted them to it.

Just answer those questions and we can forgive your reluctance to answer these questions.

Címon PP, I need closure.    :lol:  
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« 2019-Nov-20, 09:42 PM Reply #373 »

Racing NSW released a statement advising they did not know racehorses were sent to Camden sales even though they were alerted to it previously and responded to it saying the horse was sold to owners not in NSW. So was the statement a lie?


Which statement are you saying is a lie? The one where they said that they did not know racehorses were being sent to Camden or the one where they were responding saying the horse was sold to interstate owners.

Have you got the links to the statements so I can read them? Something not quite right in the way the question is asked. A bit of petitio principii here I suspect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question


Were Racing stewards not competent when they looked at the ABNs concerned and said one of them was in Victoria and not looking at the other one which was for a company linked to a NSW pet food maker.  This was after the general public alerted them to it.


Someone may have made a mistake. When you ask "were racing stewards competent" I doubt if racing stewards (plural) looked at it. Surely that is an administrative job.

And if someone (singular) made a mistake with a company by the same name so what?

You say the general public alerted them to it. When did they alert them to it? I'm part of the "general public" and I cannot remember alerting Racing NSW to this. Who exactly are you talking about? Was it a specific person?

Are we getting into conspiracy theory territory again?

Here's my question.

Do you acknowledge that the ABC held on to the fact that they were aware of animal cruelty and did not report the matter to the authorities at the earliest possible time.

You haven't attempted to answer it up until now so I'm not expecting an answer..........

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« 2019-Nov-20, 09:52 PM Reply #374 »
PP, please stop putting words in peopleís mouths regarding if it is ok for the report to have  taken two years etc and cruelty aspects..

I have consistently asked for an inquiry so that the ABC, Racing bodies including your hero Vlandys can face questions.

The questions should include why it took so long to report the cruelty and questions for all Racing bodies regarding tracking etc.

Vlandys can answer the questions you have refused to answer previously ie did Racing NSW know about Camden Horse Sales considering they had a person write to them and they responded back so why the denials. Also how come they could not do a simple ABN search as alluded in some of the stories posted by others.

Below is a link that Arsenal posted which contradicts Vílandys and Racing NSW knowledge of Camden sales.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/racing-nsw-told-about-prohibited-thoroughbred-sales-2018-emails/11633132?pfmredir=sm

Everyone is accountable for this mess including the ABC and Racing Bodies so letís find the truth. I think having everyone under the microscope and having people finally respond to questions under oath will give an inclination to the public that no one is above facing scrutiny.

This is again for you PP. Print it out and nail to your computer as this way, you can see my push for accountability for all has never wavered.

You donít read things objectively if it contradicts Racing NSWís stance. You jumped up and had a gotcha moment when you accused me of a Melbournian because you could not read a post correctly. That blew up in your face a bit as it showed your shallowness.

Címon PP, lift your game. I can quote more and more of my posts calling for an inquiry.


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